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Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, as welcome back to normally the show with

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Speaker 1: normalist takes for when the news gets weird. I am

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Speaker 1: Mary Catherine Ham.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Carol markoitz him. Mary Catherine, how's it going.

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Speaker 1: It's all right. It's still freezing here. I know you

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Speaker 1: don't have to deal with this, but I'm actually going

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Speaker 1: to escape to Florida next week, so I will see you,

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Speaker 1: I know, a brief time in person.

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Speaker 2: We're excited about that. And I hope the weather. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's like seventy one today. I hope it warms up

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Speaker 2: for you, because this is clearly unacceptable, unacceptable.

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Speaker 1: I'll be so cold when I get there, Oh my gosh. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I'll survive.

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Speaker 2: I hope. So I really do bring a sweater. In

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Speaker 2: any case, I'm wearing a sweater for for those watching it.

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Speaker 2: So you know, we talked about the sixty minutes episode

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Speaker 2: last show, and yet there was more to say about

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Speaker 2: that episode that we didn't cover that I think we

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Speaker 2: need to get into. On this episode, they had on

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Speaker 2: two people who aim to be USAID employees and the

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Speaker 2: claim to be that's going to feature into this complaining

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Speaker 2: about how Elon Musk is shutting down their their work

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Speaker 2: and doing it really haphazardly. Apparently, according to them, let's

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Speaker 2: roll the short clip.

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Speaker 1: People are really scared.

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Speaker 3: I think that you know, twelve days ago, people knew

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Speaker 3: where their next paycheck was coming from. They knew how

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Speaker 3: medical bills, and then all gone.

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Speaker 4: Overnight, All gone overnight. For Christina Dry and Adam Dubard

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Speaker 4: fired this month in the chaotic shutdown of foreign aid

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Speaker 4: distributed by the US Agency for International Development USAID, more

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Speaker 4: than eight thousand USAID employees were sent home by the administration.

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Speaker 1: They're not looking for covenancy.

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Speaker 4: They're not looking for if you're good at your job.

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Speaker 4: They're looking for peer loyalty tests and if you don't

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Speaker 4: give it you you will be punished.

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Speaker 3: And they had to leave the building. And these are

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Speaker 3: folks who had decades and decades of public service serving

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Speaker 4: There was no process, No one explained to them why

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Speaker 3: To my knowledge, they received an email and then if

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Speaker 3: they didn't leave the building, they were escorted out of

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Speaker 2: Interesting because it turns out that these two were not

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Speaker 2: employees of USAID. They were consultants who were never actually employees.

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Speaker 2: Therefore they could not be fired for their lack of loyalty.

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Speaker 2: What do you think?

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Speaker 1: So Christina Dry in particular, In particular, it turns out

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Speaker 1: was a consultant and in the capacity largely as a

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Speaker 1: close confidant and speech writer for Samantha Power. This is

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Speaker 1: a political position, Okay, There's two different kinds of positions

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Speaker 2: The left of course. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Then there are political appointees who every time there's a switch,

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Speaker 1: which is not the case. In sixty minutes, isn't telling

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Speaker 2: Also, she was on video the week before as she

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine why.

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Speaker 1: I empathize with the fact that there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of people whose lives and finances might be disrupted, yes,

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Speaker 1: what it looks like to get laid off any other place.

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Speaker 1: This is what many Americans have experienced in the past.

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Speaker 1: One day, you know exactly what's happening in your life,

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Speaker 1: By the way, did you see in the DC District

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Speaker 1: servants and the people suing Doge decided against the state's

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Speaker 1: I can't give it to you because you haven't proved

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Speaker 1: that this is irreparable harm and that it is eminent.

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Speaker 1: What you've told me is that media is reporting that

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Speaker 1: not allowed to use media reports and speculation as a

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Speaker 1: way to temporarily enjoin the executive branch, which like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: know you're telling me the media's saying this is happened,

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Speaker 1: but that's not a substitute for showing me that it's happening,

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Speaker 1: which is a perfect example of how the left and

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's a very interesting point. My friend Joel Engel,

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Speaker 2: the writer posted on x the sixty thousand people who

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Speaker 2: people get laid off, and that's what happens a lot

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Speaker 1: Well, and to the extent that it's uncertain. One of

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Speaker 1: those agreements. Five thousand reportedly have taken the buyout agreement.

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Speaker 1: But Judge, like I need to see more about this

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Speaker 2: That's right. And Dog just posting a lot of the

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Speaker 2: don't know why we need to be doing biodiversity conversations

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Speaker 2: this stuff that sort of just sounds ridiculous. And a

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Speaker 1: I think that's going to be a lot of people's

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Speaker 1: Of course, the media in the District of Columbia area,

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Speaker 1: So the media thinks that these are the perfect sympathetic victims.

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Speaker 1: he's getting asked questions about these federal jobs. Because in

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Speaker 1: Despite the blip welcome with Youngkin, which may have some

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Speaker 1: like in western North Carolina. You know, those victims not

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Speaker 2: They didn't really tell a lot of stories from the

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Speaker 2: That is what remains to be seen. We'll see how

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Speaker 2: much voters care about this. And that's the thing. A

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think it's possible you have a phenomenon where voters

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it remains to be seen.

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Speaker 1: But one more thing, and I'm just going to repeat this.

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Speaker 1: I know I keep repeating it. This idea that they

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Speaker 1: have no legal authority is false, right DOJE is the

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Speaker 1: US Digital Service, which was authorized by Obama. The people

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Speaker 2: And I think you want to talk about voters hearing

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Speaker 2: They're like, here's what we have for you. Where's our program. Also,

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Speaker 1: Well, two of the folks involved in this case, one

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Speaker 2: I agree absolutely. And a lot of conservatives are saying,

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Speaker 2: And again, having said all that, if I were a

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Speaker 2: we need him.

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Speaker 1: Saltines look great to a starving person. Yeah, it's like

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Speaker 1: exactly right.

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Speaker 2: Because if Governor Kathy Hokeel removes Mayor Eric Adams, which

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you, New York City, if you're a

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Speaker 1: Well, and that's that's the second part of this story, right,

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Speaker 1: my friend Guy Benson has made the point, Well, it

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Speaker 1: just he really kind of likes a corrupt democrat like there, like.

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Speaker 2: Likes who he likes. And if you if you're on

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Speaker 2: And you know, and the thing is the only difference

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Speaker 2: about this act like super politicians do this. It's just

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Speaker 2: he's like, I like this guy, I'm going to help him.

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Speaker 1: I don't like this guy.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to help him.

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Speaker 1: So then so Eric Adams goes on this like publicity

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Speaker 1: going to help out. I'm gonna give him Franks Island,

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Speaker 1: which fine. I think you would have helped out regardless.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you need to do this. And one

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Speaker 1: of the allegations is that the reason they didn't get

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Speaker 1: him pardoned is because they still have leverage over him

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Speaker 1: when he's in this position. So I'm like, oh, that's bad,

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Speaker 1: y'all shouldn't do that. This seems like a very bad idea.

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Speaker 1: And then Kathy Hokele, Governor of New York, comes along

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Speaker 1: to say I'm gonna unmayor the mayor, and I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So apparently the New York w York State Constitution does

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Speaker 1: it's never been used successfully. I think Fdr Famous respector

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Speaker 1: of limits Arms. Yeah, he did it. He attempted it

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Speaker 1: one time. But the state constitution says the mayor. A

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Speaker 1: mayor may be removed by the governor after giving to

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Speaker 1: very unclear what that due process looks like, but as usual,

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Speaker 1: York Times is like, yeah, this is fascinating, right, it's

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Speaker 1: fascinating that she could remove him. How's she going to

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Speaker 1: do it?

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Speaker 2: How is she going to do it? So one of

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Speaker 2: the hows of how she's going to do it, she

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Speaker 2: brought in Al Sharpton yesterday to basically be like, Hey,

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Speaker 2: I know, I'm a white lady going to get rid

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Speaker 2: York City. How do you feel about that, And so

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Speaker 2: if Al Sharpton gave her his blessing, it might be

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Speaker 2: a go. We don't know yet, but this is where

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Speaker 2: we are. And again New Yorkers are just in a bad,

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Speaker 2: bad spot here, and I really hope for that for

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Speaker 2: their sake, it all works out in their favor. But

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Speaker 2: Jamaine Williams as the possible next mayor, he, by the way,

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Speaker 2: is the guy who was for defund the police. But

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Speaker 2: he lives on a secure army base and he's cool. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's against real ID, but he has to show his

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Speaker 2: real ID to get on that army base. Really great guy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, So this is a dynamic we're going to

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Speaker 1: see throughout the Trump presidency. As you and I have said,

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Speaker 1: and there will be ugly. And I think the Eric

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Speaker 1: Adams thing is bad. And then the response of his

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Speaker 1: opponents is always almost always equally.

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Speaker 2: Bad, if not worse, right, Yeah, I mean, because can

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Speaker 2: Trump get rid of Kathy Hoko.

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Speaker 1: Here we go, and then Elon Musk will get rid

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Speaker 1: of Donald Trump, and then you know it.

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Speaker 2: All comes and then we really are good to go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, then we're good we're good.

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Speaker 2: That was an abnormal ending, but okay, thank you for

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