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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kickoff live right

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Speaker 1: here on Giants dot Com. I am John Schmell. Cues

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Speaker 1: Prizes two one, four, five on three. We're gonna take

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Speaker 1: your calls early in today's show, so makes sure you

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Speaker 1: get on the line because the twelve thirty will Bill

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Speaker 1: or Benwitz, who covers uh the ohiuse date buck Eyes

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Speaker 1: for the Clumbus Dispatch and he joins us every year,

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Speaker 1: does a great job. We talked about Dwayne Haskins, their

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Speaker 1: two wide receivers, UH, their defensive tackle coming out, their

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Speaker 1: offensive tackles coming out. We touched at all the Ohio

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Speaker 1: state process, basically their whole roster with Bill at twelve thirty.

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Speaker 1: It's honestly a lighter Ohio State group than usually is,

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Speaker 1: especially on defense. But I we'll have that at twelve thirty.

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Speaker 1: But between now and then, we'll take your calls at

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Speaker 1: Giants Chat. Make sure you get on the horn and

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Speaker 1: we'll get to you quickly. But Paul news that I

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Speaker 1: was surprised by yesterday. I did not think the NFL

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Speaker 1: was going to make the move on replay that they

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Speaker 1: made in regards to offensive and defensive pass and the

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Speaker 1: Irans And for those of you that might have missed it,

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Speaker 1: the NFL will now allow teams, as per normal challenge rules,

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Speaker 1: to challenge offensive and defensive pass interference penalties that are

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Speaker 1: called and are not called at the time the play

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Speaker 1: takes place on the field. My understanding is that Sean

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Speaker 1: Payton kind of banged the table for this a little

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Speaker 1: bit in the meeting. Obviously you'll understand why after what

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Speaker 1: happened with the Saints game in the playoffs last year.

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick has always been an advocate of replaying everything,

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Speaker 1: so I'm sure he was in favor of it as well.

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Speaker 1: But for a group that is usually pretty conservative, they

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Speaker 1: actually are now ahead of college football in the realm

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Speaker 1: of challenging pass interference calls. So, Paul, what was your

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Speaker 1: general reaction to this. I was surprised, as you were,

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Speaker 1: because most of the time, uh, the league tends to

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Speaker 1: be ultra conservative in making these types of moves. I've

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Speaker 1: in favor of it. I've been in favor of the

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Speaker 1: sky Judge for actually more than a couple of years. See,

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Speaker 1: I like the sky Judge idea better than this one.

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Speaker 1: I do too, but I'll accept this one because at

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Speaker 1: least it's a move to improve the situation. I think

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Speaker 1: the sky Judge would be better, but I can't have everything,

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Speaker 1: and at least they did something to make the game better.

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Speaker 1: I will say this. And this is where it gets

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Speaker 1: really tricky, John, I don't know how many of the

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Speaker 1: conversations went back and forth in terms of I think

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Speaker 1: it was only one bad vote, right Cincinnati said no. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: I didn't see the final vote total. I think vote

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Speaker 1: on all these all the time. I think there was

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Speaker 1: only one no vote. Really, if I saw that the

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Speaker 1: tabulation is correct. Well, a lot of times the big

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Speaker 1: moves like this, the lead likes to be as unanimous

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Speaker 1: and take there was. I don't know how many naysayers

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Speaker 1: were then converted. Be that as it may. I suspect

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Speaker 1: one of the topics of conversation or okay, coach says flag.

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Speaker 1: I think that was past interference, a challenge go up

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Speaker 1: to the booth. Now we go up and we asked

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Speaker 1: the guy upstairs, and he's looking at it and he says,

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Speaker 1: you know, I see contact, But how much is too much?

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Speaker 1: That's the trick? How how much is incidental contact? Because

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Speaker 1: you know what I saw one guy gave a forearm

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Speaker 1: And what exactly defines the penalty? Well, how about this?

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Speaker 1: What happens that if they go to it and they say, huh,

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Speaker 1: we think they were offsetting penalties, and then you replay

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Speaker 1: the damn what if they go back in this hell,

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Speaker 1: I saw offensive and defensive passing difference, then you replay

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Speaker 1: the dawn and then oh my goodness, I and what

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Speaker 1: do we always hear from the league every time somebody

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Speaker 1: proposes a change unintended consequences? That's what we hear. And

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Speaker 1: so what we're now going to have is a Pandora's

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Speaker 1: box of stickiness as to specifically, how is that video

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Speaker 1: replay official going to delineate between what truly is enough

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Speaker 1: contact for interference, what is enough contact not to be interference,

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Speaker 1: And Warren Sharpe, who we had on last year, while

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Speaker 1: past o t s and stuff like that, Paul and

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Speaker 1: he spoke about hell Mary's traditionally speaking, they let teams

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Speaker 1: do more or less whatever the hell they want. Harry passes,

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Speaker 1: now when if you're down a touchdown, just start chucking

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Speaker 1: find a pass interference penalty. It's always been my opinion

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Speaker 1: that there was more contact on hill Mary passes than

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Speaker 1: there would be in a college lacrosse game, and nobody

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Speaker 1: ever says a thing about it, because well, it's just

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Speaker 1: a gentleman's thing. We we we allow those plays to

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Speaker 1: just go and see what happens. Well, it reminds me

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Speaker 1: of the n b A when it looks like maybe

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Speaker 1: there wasn't over the back, but the ball goes out

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Speaker 1: of bounds. They didn't call the foul. They just give

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Speaker 1: it to the other team because they don't want to

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Speaker 1: call the foul. It's the same type of deal. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: or or by the way, and Niket, that gets screwed

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Speaker 1: up because when you go to replay in the NBA

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Speaker 1: in the final two minutes and you go to the replay, Oh, boy,

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Speaker 1: that guy went over the back. He killed the guy.

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Speaker 1: Oh but the other guy hit the ball. Well, we

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Speaker 1: can't change. We can't add the foul, but we can

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Speaker 1: do the out of bounds and then the team that

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Speaker 1: committed the foul gets away with murder. Kind of like

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Speaker 1: when Charles Smith was fouled three times by the Bulls

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Speaker 1: in that Garden playoff game, Aim and they just ate

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Speaker 1: the whistle because the ball got knocked out of bounds

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Speaker 1: and they didn't care. I'm so happy, Lances here and

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Speaker 1: Lances in here, and you are, yes, absolutely correct, no

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Speaker 1: doubt about it, no, no doubt about it. Absolutely correct.

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Speaker 1: But in any event, Um, I did see a comment

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Speaker 1: And And here's what's scary, John, the comment and I

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Speaker 1: cannot remember who was quoted. The comment was made. The

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Speaker 1: coaches will understand the spirit of the world. No, they're not.

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Speaker 1: They will not and they will not challenge the hail Mary.

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Speaker 1: That is a load of crap. That is not That

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Speaker 1: is not true at all. Do you know why coach

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Speaker 1: these coaches are playing for their jobs. Yes, So then

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Speaker 1: how do you what is the official or in the

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Speaker 1: supposed to do? And oh, by the way, that's pass interference,

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Speaker 1: but intu the hal Mary, I'm not gonna call it.

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Speaker 1: And and do you know the kind of grief that

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Speaker 1: that coach is going to get from the media and

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Speaker 1: the fans if he doesn't ask for the review. That's

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Speaker 1: even better point. It's better point. He's going to get crucified.

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Speaker 1: Oh obviously, why why didn't get notified? Well, in the

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Speaker 1: spirit of the rule, you know, we're not really supposed

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Speaker 1: gonna go over real. Well, So here we go, by

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Speaker 1: the way, I pulled up just so we have and

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Speaker 1: then and then we'll get to your calls. And I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna read these as quickly as possible, But surprisingly the

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Speaker 1: NFL rule book a little complicated. So page this is

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Speaker 1: the two thousand seventeen rule book. I don't think the

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Speaker 1: pass interference rules changed from seven into eighteen. No, I

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Speaker 1: didn't hear any adjustments on the wording, and don't I

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Speaker 1: don't have the eighteen rule book in PDF form of

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Speaker 1: playing rule book. Okay, do you want to know what

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Speaker 1: the league definition of pass interferences because this is what

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Speaker 1: they're gonna use to decide whether or not they have

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Speaker 1: called on replay go ahead. It is pass interference by

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Speaker 1: either team when any act by a player more than

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Speaker 1: one yard beyond the line of scrimmage signific againly hinders

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Speaker 1: an eligible player's opportunity to catch the ball, significantly hinders.

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Speaker 1: That's the key phrase there. Pass interference could only occur

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Speaker 1: when a Ford passes thrown from behind the line of scrimmage,

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Speaker 1: regardless of whether the pass is legal or legal. Blah

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Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah blah. Um. Here we go.

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Speaker 1: Prohibited acts by both teams while the ball is in

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Speaker 1: the ball that restricts the opponent's opportunity to make the catch.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty easy. If you're looking back at the ball,

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Speaker 1: you're allowed a lot of latitude and what you can do.

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Speaker 1: That's what that means. Playing through the back of an

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Speaker 1: catch a pass. That gets a little sticky because there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of hand fighting that goes on. Extending arm

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Speaker 1: committing such an act is playing the ball waiting out.

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Speaker 1: So if you're looking back at the ball, you still

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Speaker 1: can't put the arm at Now, it's only get a

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Speaker 1: relatively easy to correct Hooking an opponent in an attempt

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Speaker 1: it causes the opponent's body to turn prior to the

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Speaker 1: that totally stresses offense. What a surprise. Real quick. These

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Speaker 1: also in the rule book, by the way, before you

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Speaker 1: receivers who are really good at Academy Award performances, and

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Speaker 1: they will draw passing interferance calls very very well. Now

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Speaker 1: here's what you're allowed to do by both teams, and

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Speaker 1: this is where it gets tricky. This is allowed now

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Speaker 1: incidental contact, which is itself a loaded turn by an

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Speaker 1: any question whether contact is incidental, the ruling shall be

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Speaker 1: inadvertent tangling of the feat when both players are playing

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Speaker 1: would normally be considered pass interference. But the past is

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Speaker 1: clearly and catchable. Okay, you know that's actually interesting. Are

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Speaker 1: the balls uncatchable? I did not hear that specific angle

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Speaker 1: addressed in the It's involved in pass interference, right, Why

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Speaker 1: at this point. At six Scott New Mexico, and the

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Speaker 1: rule changes online too, what's up, Scott, Hi guys. I

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Speaker 1: happen to agree with both of you. This is almost

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Speaker 1: an imbecilic rule because you can't legislate on a hill.

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Speaker 1: May test this past interference on every helm Mary pest

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Speaker 1: I've ever seen. Well, you don't want those scott before

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Speaker 1: we go anywhere, real quick. We talked about this with

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Speaker 1: the helmet to helmet situations on goal lines and then

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Speaker 1: and then, and they never called it, and they just decided, well,

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Speaker 1: we're just not going to call it, which by the

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Speaker 1: letter of the law they have to call it, but

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Speaker 1: they decided in the quote spirit of the rule, they're

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Speaker 1: not going to do it. Okay. My whole thing is

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Speaker 1: when the original committee voted, I think it was for

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Speaker 1: to four on the rule, and then all of a

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Speaker 1: sudden became eight to zero. My question really is do

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Speaker 1: UH franchises put pressure on other franchises that the rule

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Speaker 1: has to be changed pus. Obviously this is a result

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Speaker 1: of the New Orleans game, and I was wondering if

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Speaker 1: they have more of a say in the committee meetings

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Speaker 1: and so forth to regulate as opposed to another team,

447
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Speaker 1: because you know, how do you get from four to

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Speaker 1: four to eight to zero? And that's what I was

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Speaker 1: queering you guys on teams. Do teams do lobby other

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Speaker 1: tea to see their point of view, But whether or

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Speaker 1: not you know it actually has major impact. I quite

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Speaker 1: frankly just think the embarrassment of what happened in that

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Speaker 1: playoff game was probably the biggest impact. And it was

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Speaker 1: an embarrassment. I mean, it was terrible. The league has

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Speaker 1: said that, I mean they know there's a reason they're

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Speaker 1: changing the rule. No one wants to see that. You want, look,

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Speaker 1: these teams work so hard over the course there. You

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Speaker 1: want the two teams out of the best teams that

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Speaker 1: are the most deserving teams that go to the super

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Speaker 1: Bowl to be in the Super Bowl, and the Saints

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Speaker 1: were the look. And you can argue whether or not

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Speaker 1: they screwed up on the first down play after the

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Speaker 1: past interference and then you know, going back the other

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Speaker 1: way trying to waste clock, that's fine, but that mistake

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter if they don't call that, if they call

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Speaker 1: the past interference call. So to me, I can't look,

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Speaker 1: they screwed up. Now, it was a big screw up.

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Speaker 1: We did leave off a footnote here. This is a

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Speaker 1: one year change. That's a good point, and the league

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Speaker 1: will then revisit it again. So if all this stickiness

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Speaker 1: that we just talked about comes through fruition and creates

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Speaker 1: more of a mess, suffice it to say, then fl

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Speaker 1: will definitely make an adjustment next spring. Two A, one four,

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Speaker 1: five one three. Let's go back to the phones and

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Speaker 1: say what's up? All right, Charlie, we'll go to your

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Speaker 1: next what's up? Pal? Hey? Look, most of the pass

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Speaker 1: interference on the hail Mary is usually by the offensive player.

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Speaker 1: If you really look at it, they're the ones that

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Speaker 1: are trying to get position, and they're pushing off like crazy.

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Speaker 1: There there is a massive bodies and everybody is pushing

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Speaker 1: and shoving and grabbing and clutching. And if you really

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Speaker 1: think that you can delineate who's more to blame than,

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Speaker 1: then you've got better eyes than most people. Well I

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Speaker 1: think I do. Okay, good for you, Charlie, if we

485
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Speaker 1: know you can pick out offensive lineman, Go ahead, Charlie.

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Speaker 1: Hey the other you think I was gonna talk about, Look,

487
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Speaker 1: the whole point is just to get it right. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: right then that that that is a good rule change.

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Speaker 1: And there was a couple other things I read they

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Speaker 1: were going to loosen up the roster situation, uh for

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Speaker 1: I think the preseason or for some games, or are

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Speaker 1: they going to add players? Do you know what they're

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Speaker 1: talking about? At one point there was some conversation I believe,

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Speaker 1: about allowing more guys to dress on Sundays or on

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Speaker 1: game day, if you will. I don't know how far

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Speaker 1: that's gotten. We don't We don't have a correspondent out

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Speaker 1: there at the league meetings that we can we can

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Speaker 1: have them on the program to discuss those kinds of things.

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Speaker 1: I do think that was a topic. I did not

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Speaker 1: see anything definitive coming out of it. Well, I read

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Speaker 1: something that they they changed some articles in the in

502
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Speaker 1: their by rules, and but it didn't really specify what

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Speaker 1: the actual changes were. But it had something to do

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Speaker 1: with the rosters. So something has been changed and approved,

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Speaker 1: but I just don't know what it is. All right,

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Speaker 1: Hold on a second, Charlie. Here I am. I'm in

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Speaker 1: the NFL's media website that we have access to to

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Speaker 1: see if there's anything in there. I don't think anything's

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Speaker 1: official on that yet, right, Well, it does say approved

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Speaker 1: playing rules for two housand nineteen, so there might be

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Speaker 1: something in here. Like I'm stalling here, John, start talking

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Speaker 1: a little bit when I try while I try to

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Speaker 1: get this called up. Yeah, I mean I don't think

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Speaker 1: the first far as I understand, Charlie, the only thing

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Speaker 1: that's become official official is the offensive defensive path. Here

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Speaker 1: we go. It's rules. I have not seen anything else yet,

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Speaker 1: but maybe Paul does, all right. Competition Committee permanent kickoff

518
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: rule changes that were implemented last year expands protection of

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00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: a defenseless player, enforcement of double fouls when there's a

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Speaker 1: change of possession, simplifying the application of scrimmage kick rules

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Speaker 1: for missed field goals. I don't see anything in the

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Speaker 1: by laws. Probably if it's roster okay, okay, to provide

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Speaker 1: clubs with more roster flexibility during training camp, but it

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Speaker 1: does not indicate anything specific. And to liberalize the rules

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Speaker 1: for waiver processes too, well, it's a long document. This

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Speaker 1: is the summer. You don't have to go down to

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Speaker 1: the actual change. Take a little bit, Joy, Joy, We're

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Speaker 1: gonna check. I gotta get one more calling and Paul

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Speaker 1: finds it. I'll go to the next caller and then

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Speaker 1: Paul will give it to you before we get to

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Speaker 1: our guests. Thank you appreciated. Three Paul, get the work

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Speaker 1: on that, alright, As we take our final caller of

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Speaker 1: the program, and let's say hello to Christian in New York.

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Speaker 1: What's up Christian? Hey, guys, I want to talk about

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Speaker 1: the draft. Um, if the Giants really want a pass

536
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Speaker 1: rusher at six and they're just really not thinking quarterback. Um.

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Speaker 1: Something I've actually been worried about is Montest Sweat at

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Speaker 1: six because he seemed to be like a huge riser

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Speaker 1: after that forty that he ran, which was absolutely nuts.

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Speaker 1: But I mean I watched a lot of tape myself,

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Speaker 1: and uh, I mean, I'm not gonna say who I

542
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: do draft work for on your show and all that,

543
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: but uh, he doesn't show that speed on tape very much.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't moving side to side, and the counters. I'm

545
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Speaker 1: just not super impressed with either. I think Brian Burns

546
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: is actually gonna be a much better pass rusher than him.

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Speaker 1: Think I even think Cleveland Farrell too. Well, here's the

548
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 1: thing about Sweat. I think when I watched Sweat on tape, Christian,

549
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: he usually won with length. He would extend that big

550
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: long arm back the guy off and that's how he

551
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 1: would win. I didn't see him went along the edge.

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Speaker 1: I didn't see a lot of counter moves inside. Pharaoh

553
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 1: wins mostly with his hands. He's not bendy. He doesn't

554
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: have that speed around the edge, but he's very crafty.

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00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: He has a lot of moves he can get inside

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Speaker 1: his hand. He's very violent with his hands. He's very

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Speaker 1: good at that. I'm with you. I think as a

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Speaker 1: pure pass rusher only, I think Burns is the best

559
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: of the group. He can bend the edge, he's got

560
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: inside counter moves. He's not strong. He's not gonna bull

561
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: rush you now, and that's his weakness. But I do

562
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: think he probably has more pass rush uh variable of

563
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Speaker 1: variability and tools than the other two guys. I'm with you, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I mean some of it could have to do

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Speaker 1: with scheme, if the Giants really want to try to

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Speaker 1: commit to the three four, or if they're still gonna

567
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Speaker 1: be playing some four s three here and there. Chian, Remember,

568
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Speaker 1: even if you're in the three four, when you're a

569
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Speaker 1: nickel or your dime, you're playing four down, Timan, it

570
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: really doesn't matter anymore. Yeah, I mean, I guess you

571
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: know you should be able to just play a good player,

572
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: and you know, but um, I would just really love

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Speaker 1: to see seventeen. Actually that's more of where he should

574
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Speaker 1: be drafted. Well, he ain't getting the seventeen, that's the problem.

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00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: Probably not No, So at this point I'm probably gonna

576
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: be upset we end up with swack, so it will

577
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: probably be a sex so well and Christian by the way,

578
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: and and thanks a lot for the call. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: That's why I'd be okay with's rating down. Like, if

580
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: you get down to nine, I think there's a chance

581
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: he's there at nine. So you need a lawyer to

582
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: figure out these rules changes. John, look at the official document.

583
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: There's lines all over the place. Uh, there's things crossed out,

584
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: there are amendments, and oh my goodness, I'm gonna wait

585
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: until something comes out that's a lot cleaner than this,

586
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: because it's a mess. And then the other problem is

587
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: they give you the specific rule and then they're giving

588
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Speaker 1: you at the bottom of this the voting uh ballot,

589
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: and they're not telling you what happened. So I'm having

590
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: a lot of trouble trying to figure this out. I'm sorry, Charlie. Paul.

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00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: Paul's gonna gonna work on this. He is reading material

592
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Speaker 1: for the night. Now we're gonna go home. He's gonna

593
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: read it, and then tomorrow with Lance Meadow, you guys

594
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Speaker 1: can talk about we we we can do that. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, we are going to be back tomorrow

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Speaker 1: Big Book with Lance Meadow live Paul and him tomorrow. Uh,

597
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: anything you want to say, Paul before I get an interview,

598
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: you're good? No, just that we have Florida and NC

599
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: State as our expert witnesses to talk about the draft prospects.

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Speaker 1: So we enjoy it. All right, We're gonna wrap up

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Speaker 1: today's show. We had a chance to talk to Bill Robinowitz,

602
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Speaker 1: who covers Ohio State for the Columbus Dispatch, earlier this morning.

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Speaker 1: We'll replay it to wrap up the show. And now

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Speaker 1: we're drawn by our guest, Bill Robinowitz, he covers Ohio

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Speaker 1: State football for the dispatching Columbus Ohio Billy got John

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Speaker 1: Schmilk and Paul Latino here in East Rutherford. How are

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Speaker 1: you today? We're doing great. Thank you for joining us again. Bill.

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Speaker 1: I think this is your number four. You're joining us

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Speaker 1: to talk about Ohio State prospects. We know you do

610
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Speaker 1: such a great job. We're thrilled to have you back on,

611
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Speaker 1: and let's start with who I guess is probably the

612
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Speaker 1: best quarterback prospect ever to come out of Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: It's the guy but he's talking about that's Dwayne Haskins,

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Speaker 1: And where I want to start with him? Bill, and

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Speaker 1: I think kind of get this. This gets to the

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Speaker 1: crux of it. How advanced of an offense was he

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Speaker 1: asked to run with urban Meyer in terms of doing

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Speaker 1: things like reading both sides of the field, going through

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Speaker 1: his progressions and things of that nature, which to me

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Speaker 1: a lot of times dictates how quickly a quarterback and

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Speaker 1: have success in the NFL. Yeah, well, it's interesting, is

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Speaker 1: it really was more Ryan Dave's offense last year than

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Speaker 1: it was urban Meyer's offense. Urban Meyer was not in

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Speaker 1: training camp with the team. He was obviously suspended just

625
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: the first three games. Ryan Day was the quarterbacks coach anyway,

626
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Speaker 1: and urban Meyer kind of took his uh, let let

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Speaker 1: Ryan Day run the offense more or us. I mean,

628
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: obviously he had input, but it was more Ryan Dave's offense.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't kind of the traditional Urban Myers spread. It

630
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: was more of a post Dole offense to take advantage

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Speaker 1: of what Ryan or Wayne hasks could do so. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Doyne asked him. Is a student of a game. He

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Speaker 1: it was very good at reading progressions. One of the

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00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,719
Speaker 1: criticisms of J. T. Barrett or him was his predecessor,

635
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Speaker 1: was that he wasn't port at Patty would he would

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Speaker 1: be slow going to his progressions. Uh. Dwayne Askins was

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00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: was quicker, that has a better arm. I mean I

638
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: was with that than J. T. Parrett Um and just

639
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: you know, he just shows an effortless ball. It just

640
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: comes out of his hands so well. And he and

641
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: he controlled the people he got touched on the short passes.

642
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: And look, he better sited from the fact that he

643
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: had a really good receiving group around had me had

644
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: three senior captains, uh, Paris Campbell's, Dotty Dixon and others

645
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: who were really really good too, and so they made

646
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: it easy on him in some way. Some of those

647
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: touchdown passes were little footpaths, little shruble passes. The Paris

648
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: Campbell Uh, so that you know, I wouldn't say that

649
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: they were after going even how many yet fifty or

650
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: whatever it was. You know, probably ten of them were

651
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: kind of you know, he put maskers by him, but

652
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,959
Speaker 1: that still leavest forty and that we're legit and uh

653
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: he is by far the best quarterback prospect Ohio State

654
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: is produced, which says unfortunately as much about Ohio State's

655
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: inability to cruce NFL caliber quarterback Tony think. But I

656
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: did a story not that long ago about, uh that

657
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins is gonna be the first Higher States first

658
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: round or quarterback games has taken in the first round.

659
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: Arch Leaster since arch Leister n one, I think you

660
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: see that's the name I was going to bring up.

661
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: Bell Lester was a very hot prospect coming out of school.

662
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: He was, I mean obvious in the gambling addition, derailed

663
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: everything in his life. His career is life everything. But

664
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: people forget how good he was. Uh and and but

665
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins, I mean, other than that, other than Schleister,

666
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: they've had nobody it's the best pro career that in

667
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: the higher state quarterback has had. It is probably Mike

668
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: tom Zack, who wasn't even drafted. Kent Graham was was decent.

669
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: You know that for a time, Joe Jermaine, you know,

670
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: thought that he thought there was a chance he would

671
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: have a pretty good NFL. You hung around for a

672
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: little bit, but never really did much. Uh that fit.

673
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: So Dwayne Haskins is the legit guy and a lot

674
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: of that it's gonna is going to be. I think

675
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,959
Speaker 1: he's the first of several that are gonna happen. Uh

676
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: uh comad Ohio State. If Ryan Day stays and Ryan

677
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: Day has the kind of success that we think he

678
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: could have because it's gonna be more of a pro

679
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: style offense, it'll be spread concepts. Certainly they haven't abandoned that,

680
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: but I mean Runyan Day is really good at adapting

681
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: to what his his quarterbacks can do. So we interesting

682
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: to see with justin fields presumably this year, how it looks.

683
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, Dwayne Haskins looked like an NFL quarterback

684
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: at Ohio State last year, which again you just haven't

685
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: seen in Cormus Bill. I'd like to get your perspective

686
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: because you're right there in the heart of the beast

687
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: at Ohio State. Everybody around the country is talking about, well,

688
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: you know, the Giants gotta take him at six or no,

689
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: he's not gonna beat there at six. They gotta trade

690
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: up to get him where somebody else is gonna trade

691
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: up in front of them. To get him. From your

692
00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 1: perspective at Ohio State, what are you hearing the most

693
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: logical cases? Well, the most logical scenario is what teams

694
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: appear to be the most interested in him? What is

695
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: the scuttle butt from inside the Buckeye community. Let's forget

696
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: about the outside noise that's coming out from around the country. Yeah, unfortunate.

697
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be able to help you a whole lot.

698
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been more concerned with the current team,

699
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, and and so I can't say that.

700
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: I mean I kind of passed these guys off cover

701
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: their the combine. I do that, I do the protag stuff,

702
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: and then it's like I don't get obsessed about which

703
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 1: team is going to take Dwayne Haskins or Nick Bosa

704
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: or anyway. That's just I'm too busy with with covering

705
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: the team that I have to cover. So, um, the

706
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: Giants make a lot of sense for obvious reasons. I've

707
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: heard Jacksonville and she slips a little bit, you know,

708
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: with with Kyler Murray apparently going to go number one,

709
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: then the next team that needs a quarterback is going

710
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: to be tempted if they think the Haskins as the

711
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: guys tempted to trade up to secure him if they

712
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: feel like he needs to do. But I'm not gonna

713
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: sit here and pretend that I've been talking to the

714
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: coaches and and you know, trying to get to the

715
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: bottom of it. I haven't. So you're better off, Bill,

716
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: because that's nothing but one big headache. So you're better

717
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: off staying out at that, right, I worry about things

718
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 1: I have to worry about him. You know, your team,

719
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 1: I actually have to cover the final one on Haskins

720
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: before you get to the bevy of other Buckeye prospects.

721
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: I watched prior on six or seven games of his

722
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: on tap over the course of the year. Two things

723
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: that I noticed I want to get your take on. One.

724
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: I thought he got better as the year went along.

725
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: He was throwing the ball down field more as the

726
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: year went along. And the one thing that worried about

727
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: him for me is that he I thought he was

728
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: fairly good at stepping up in the pocket from outside pressure,

729
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: but when you started getting pressure in his face, I

730
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 1: thought his footwork really broke down. And sometimes I worried

731
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 1: about how he handled that. Booking him over the course

732
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: of the year. What are maybe some of the things

733
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: that worry you about him at his continuing progression into

734
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: an NFL quarterback where team hopes they're drafting a franchise Gay. Yeah,

735
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: I think you're right on with your comments. He did

736
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: definitely get better as the year went on, which makes sense.

737
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: He had never started a college game until until the

738
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: opener last year. Uh, he's not the most mobile guy.

739
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: He's just not. And can he developed the pocket sense

740
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: like a Tom Brady or Peyton Manning head that you don't.

741
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 1: You don't have to be fast. You don't have to

742
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: run a fast forty time to be able to do that. Yeah,

743
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: I think you can. I think the game that impressed

744
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: me more than any other game was the Northwestern ward

745
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: because he actually made throws on the run under pressure

746
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: when he had been chased from the pocket and he

747
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: really had not done that. He was really good in

748
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: the pocket. You give him, protect him, he'll just pick

749
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: you apart. But until that Northwestern game especially, I hadn't

750
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: seen him kind of makes something out of nothing and said, okay,

751
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: his players going nowhere, that boom, he makes a great throw.

752
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: I thought that was a huge step in this development,

753
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: and he continued to have more or less than the

754
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: Rose Bull. I thought he was really good in the

755
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: Rose Bowl than Ohio State. Someone else took their foot

756
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: off the pedal and almost blew that game. But for

757
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: three quarters I thought oh looked really good. I thought

758
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: Dayne Haskins looked really good in that game. So the

759
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: last uh and obviously the Michigan game when everyone thought

760
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: Michigan was gonna beat O High State finally, and Ohio

761
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: State just had had its way with with the Wolverine.

762
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,240
Speaker 1: So the three games at the M I said, really

763
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: convinced me that he was ready for the NFL. I mean,

764
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 1: would you have benefited from another year of seasonally? Yeah,

765
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: I think he could have been the overall number one

766
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: pick next year if he'd stayed. But you know, it's

767
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: hard to turn down a chance to be still a

768
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: high first round draft pick. Bill. How about we go

769
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: to the guy who very well could be the number

770
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: one pick overall, Nick Bosa. I'm gonna ask you the

771
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: toughest question you've been asked about him. Don't tell me

772
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: what he does well, nitpick, tell me why he shouldn't

773
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,919
Speaker 1: be one of the first two players in the draft. Wow. Um,

774
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: Mrs most of the year with an injury. At that surgery,

775
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: I think there have to be some concerned every everything

776
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 1: that I've heard, whether whether from the doctor himself or

777
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: from from Nick Boso or team. I mean, they don't

778
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: seem concerned. That's one of those injuries. Once healed his heels.

779
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: But you know, that's that's something that you have to

780
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: wonder about a lit a little bit. He's not quite

781
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,959
Speaker 1: as big physically as his brother. Um, so you kind

782
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: of wonder a little bit. Okay, can cold being a

783
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: slightly smaller guy have an effect. But I'll tell you

784
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: a lot. He's just tremendous. He was as close to

785
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: unblockable as I see. I thought he was better than

786
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: Joey at the same stage of his career. Uh one

787
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: Ohiesty lost him in SERVI Game of the Year that

788
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 1: completely changed their defense. And I believe that if Nick

789
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: Bose had been healthy that that last year would have

790
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 1: gone all differently for highest Look family lost one game anyway,

791
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 1: but some of those games might have been more dominant.

792
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: And he was that good. He made everyone else that

793
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: much better. Chase Young couldn't get double teamed. Uh if

794
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 1: Nick Clothes were still in the field, and uh Draymont

795
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: Jones would have even bigger numbers because they couldn't. It's

796
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: and devoted more protection to trying to stop him. So, um, yeah,

797
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 1: he was. He was tremendous. He just plays with such leverage.

798
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: He's instinctive, He's he's kind of he's I think he

799
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: said this, he felt like he was born to be

800
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: a defensive end and and it kind of looks like that.

801
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: It's it's kind of a little brother syndrome and a

802
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 1: little bit I mean every directly coach that every coach

803
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 1: was my son's to him. I was one of the

804
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: little brother you know, I got the big brother, but

805
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: I wanted the little brothers. A little brother was hungry

806
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: and had been beaten up by his older brother. And

807
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: you know those were generally better. Now, Nick Bosa or

808
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: Joey Bosa is a tremendous players owner. I'm not playing

809
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,479
Speaker 1: at Joey. I think, yeah, it's a very high stand

810
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,959
Speaker 1: and and I and look, Nick Bosa took Joey's number

811
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: at ninety seven or high state. That says something that

812
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,760
Speaker 1: you know, he didn't shy away from being in his shadow,

813
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 1: from the comparisons, the inevitable comparisons. He embraced it and

814
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: and uh no, it's it's he's as good as it

815
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: gets in terms of just they play and play out.

816
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 1: It wasn't just the sacks, It wasn't just the past rushes.

817
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: He was really good against the run too. So, um,

818
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: I think he's as close to a to a uh

819
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 1: Nobs there is. You know, it's funny Bill heading into

820
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: the Combine and the Senior Bowl, I was at both.

821
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: You didn't hear much about the Ohio state wide receivers.

822
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: Everyone talked about Haskins, Haskins, Haskins. Then I watched Paris

823
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: Campbell and Terry McLaurin play both in Alabama and then

824
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 1: play and do their workouts at the Senior Ball. I'm like, Wow,

825
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: these guys are really really good. Uh let's start Paris

826
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: Campbell was I think they kind of used him in

827
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: that slash role a little bit, right. How do you

828
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: think he's going to transfer those skills when he's asked

829
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: to run more down field routes and separate deep run

830
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: traditional outs, nine routes, you know, post things like that

831
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 1: in the NFL from what his role as at Ohio State. Yeah,

832
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: it is going to be a learning curve for him,

833
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: There's no question. He has two major questions about him.

834
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: One of his hands is a convert running back, and

835
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: there are still times it looks like it. He does

836
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: not have natural hands. He will drop a past the

837
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: game and you kind of got um. But if hands

838
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: got better, they were definitely better last year than in

839
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 1: previous years. The other is exactly what she said. He

840
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: ran very simple routes a lot of times, just kind

841
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: of qualified handoffs in a way. Get him the ball

842
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: and open space and let him. Let him go because

843
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: you're not going to catch him. He's if you give

844
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 1: him a crack, he's gone. Um. But he's got to

845
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: prove he could be an all around receiver. To his credit,

846
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: he worked really hard at it and he's a he's

847
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: a hard worker. All those all three of those guys

848
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: mccor and Johnny Dixon and and Harris Gamble are really

849
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: hard workers. So if it's a matter of of that,

850
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: he'll he'll succeed. Um. But so you know, he's not

851
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: a number one receiver in terms of coming into the

852
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: NFL and being your complete guys can run every pattern

853
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: and catch every ball. That's just not who he is.

854
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: But but he's a guy that if he catches it,

855
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: if he gets four touch of the game, or they

856
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: might be a touchdown there. Two of them might be

857
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: touchdowns because he is really really fast. Uh, he's stronger

858
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: than people think, and he's got moved so you know

859
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: it's but he's not a guy that that you just

860
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 1: kind of plug in and say, there's your complete number

861
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: one receiver. All right, let me go to the offensive line,

862
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 1: because you've got two guys out there at Ohio State

863
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: and Michael Jordan and Isaiah Prince, who will not be

864
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: first day picks. Heck, they might not even be second,

865
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: maybe even third or fourth, probably third, the third rounders.

866
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: What do you see in those two guys? Are they

867
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 1: going to be NFL guards? Are they gonna be NFL tackles?

868
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: Isaiah Prince will be a tackle and Michael Jordan will

869
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: be a guard. I mean, I guess Prince could play inside.

870
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: Maybe my question about Isaiah Prince, and he's the guy

871
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: who really improved. His sophomore year was kind of a

872
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: disaster and he really took it to heart and learned

873
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: from it and matured and was much better. Uh, bigical

874
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: question with him. I think it's just quickness Kenny Kenny

875
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: because he would kind of jump the staff. I mean,

876
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: he knew that edge rush rushers could had he had

877
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: issues with him. Uh, kids from Minnesota had a field

878
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: day against them, honestly, and so you know his confidence

879
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: can't you know, at times looked like it was shaking.

880
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: He said it wasn't. But in that Minnesota game was

881
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: a tough game for him, but otherwise he played pretty well.

882
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 1: He's a big, strong guy. Run blocking is really good. Uh,

883
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: he's got a meanness on the field. A really nice guy,

884
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: gentle guy off the field, a very sweet guy. But

885
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: on the field there's definitely a mean streak and that's

886
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: a good thing. Um. My main question though, is just

887
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: does he have that foot quickness? Can he can he

888
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: fend off those edge rushers rushers? And if he can,

889
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: he can have a pretty good career. If he can't,

890
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: then they'll be exposed. Uh. Michael Jordan's took one for

891
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: the team last year played center because the guy they

892
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: thought was going to be the center got hurt and

893
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: they really didn't feel comfortable any other alternatives, so they

894
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 1: moved Jordan, who had been a guard and a very

895
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: good one for two years, to center, and it was

896
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: clearly not his natural position. He was okay at it,

897
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: but he's he would have definitely played guard if he'd

898
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: come back to ives date this year, and I think

899
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: that's where his future is. He's he's the first to

900
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,479
Speaker 1: live state true freshman to start on the offensive Orlandel case.

901
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: Uh So that tells you just first of all, the

902
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: stat of the state of the offensive line when he

903
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: got there, and secondly that he was up to the challenge.

904
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: He's a guy who was very confident in himself, very competitive,

905
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: uh like like Isaiah Prince, has a mean streak on

906
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: the field and off the field. Again, a very very

907
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: nice guy, very soft spoken, well spoken guy comes to quickly. Family. Um,

908
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: you know, he would never be a problem off the field,

909
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: either one of them, you know, the good guys off

910
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: the field. Um, you know Jordan's it's more just this experience.

911
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: I think he's still a young guy, but I think

912
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: he'll be a sol pro for for a while. I

913
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: don't think he's a high risk guy. I think he's

914
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: a guy that you know, probably coming as a backup,

915
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: can be a swing guy because you can't fight SA

916
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: and I think you can play tackle if if you

917
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: need him to, uh, but he's not gonna be a

918
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 1: star per se. I wouldn't think he'd be a Pro

919
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: Bowl guy. But he's the guy who can be a

920
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: productive NFL player for quite a while. I want to

921
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: go in depth on Terry mclauren a little bit. I

922
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 1: know you talked about Campbell briefly. We always a great

923
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 1: special teams player, just like a good football player in general.

924
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 1: And I watched him at the Senior Bowl. Nobody could

925
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,280
Speaker 1: cover him. And then I looked at his production numbers

926
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: at Ohio State and then at the Combat he runs

927
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: a sub four four And I'm sitting there, I'm like,

928
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: why didn't Terry McLaurin have better numbers? So what was

929
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: it about Bill? How they used the Ohio State that

930
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,240
Speaker 1: maybe his production doesn't match the talent that I'm seeing

931
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: out there on the field. Yeah, I think the sunder

932
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: He was a late bloomer. They always loved him. They

933
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: always thought he was a you know, a great guy, uh,

934
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: leader in the in the room. But he was a

935
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: guy can kind of joke. He was the best player.

936
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: He never made a play. He was coming and the

937
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 1: year and then like junior, especially senior year, he made

938
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: those plays. So you know, I'm not slamming. I'm he's

939
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: a great guy, great personality, just national leader, all that stuff.

940
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: But he was a guy who just didn't it just

941
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: didn't click for him on the field, who comes so

942
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: close the ball would trickle off his hands, that kind

943
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: of thing for early in his career, and then again

944
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,720
Speaker 1: last year in some degree junior year, it just clicked

945
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: for him. And and he was a tremendous player last year.

946
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: Mean you mentioned the special teams. He was as good

947
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: as Gunn as I've ever seen, both in terms of

948
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 1: tackling and be able to spot the ball and down it. Um,

949
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: just just like uncanny. I mean, urban Meyer loves that part.

950
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: He's a special teams guy. He loved Terry McClaren. I

951
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: mean he loved him, and so uh, you know, Yeah,

952
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 1: the speed surprised me a little bit because everyone knew

953
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: that the Paris Campbell was that fast, and he knew

954
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: mcclorin was fast. I don't know he's that fast, you know,

955
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: in the forties. So, um, I think he's a more

956
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: much more polished and complete receiver than Paris Campbell right now.

957
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think he's quite as fast as Campbell. Uh,

958
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: but he's got better hands. His hands really got really improved. Um,

959
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: he runs better routes, or at least is a more

960
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: but sure route runner. I think he's gonna have a

961
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: really good career. I think he'll start off family on

962
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: special teams. But I think that he'll be a guy

963
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: that you can plug him into any of those receiver

964
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: spots and he can he can help you, and you'll

965
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: want him on your team because in terms of community

966
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 1: and just I mean, he's just an outstanding young man,

967
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: really a nice, nice guy. Sometimes there's a receiving corps

968
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: that will need that one guy who's just going to

969
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 1: be the flank or the guy who's simply going to

970
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: stretch the field. He doesn't have to do a whole

971
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: lot else, he just needs to stretch it because of

972
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: his speed. Do you think he can be that guy

973
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: who just provides the deep threat and doesn't necessarily have

974
00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: to have the other responsibilities. Yeah, he could, but I

975
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: think he could do the other stuff. You know, if

976
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 1: if Paris Campbell had better hands, more reliable hands, I

977
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: should say, then I think he would be that guy

978
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: more naturally, I think Paris, I think Terry McLaurine is

979
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: more complete. I don't. I mean he could he be

980
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: that flank or guy. Yeah, he can be um, but

981
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: you know, and he made some catches on Pro Day

982
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,280
Speaker 1: and again Pro Day's Pro Day. But there are balls

983
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: that I thought he's not gonna get that one, and

984
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,879
Speaker 1: he got it. And you know, the numbers are early

985
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: in his career. First of all, some of that was

986
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: because PlayN Ass wasn't the quarterback. J T. Barrett was,

987
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: and j T. Barrett ran more than he threw and

988
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: there were still a lot of a lot of really

989
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: good receivers on that teamber. Michael Michael Thomas caught like

990
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: forty passes in the last year Ohio State. And I

991
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: remember going into the draft where people ask me about

992
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: that draft class. It was a great draft class, and

993
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: I said, the guy that I think is really underrated

994
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,439
Speaker 1: as Michael Thomas because they didn't use them that much

995
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: and he has a five I rated him. I mean

996
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: he uh for some of the interviews I did with

997
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: the books, I mean, he just really he wanted to

998
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 1: be the best. Zack Smith told me that, like he's

999
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: when he was recruiting him, that Michael Thomas was. I'm

1000
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: gonna be the next Randy Moss or the next whatever.

1001
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: I mean, he just had that in his head. Um.

1002
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 1: You know, I think that Ohio State spreads the ball around,

1003
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: and so you're not gonna have a guy that's gonna

1004
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: have eighty catches, you know, the Paris Campbell did, but

1005
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: that's because the lasts catches. Like I said, we're we're

1006
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: kind of glorified handoffs. But you know, until last year,

1007
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: they didn't have that. I mean, Dwayne has or JT.

1008
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: Barrett wasn't that kind of quarterback. That's not what they did.

1009
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: On third and five. They would have an empty backfield

1010
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,479
Speaker 1: and Dwayne Haskins keep picks him up. J Barrett would

1011
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: would run the ball. So that's part of the reason.

1012
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: And also that they did run more of a traditional

1013
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: spread that wasn't the more pro style offense that they

1014
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,479
Speaker 1: used last year with Ryan Bay. You know, we talked

1015
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: about mclarine kind of outperforming with his numbers at the

1016
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: Common then what people expected. Maybe the one guy that

1017
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: I think the most people in Indianapolis were surprised that

1018
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: I spoke to you that didn't perform well was Draymond Jones.

1019
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: So I think people thought is was the you know,

1020
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: he was the tools he guy that maybe his numbers

1021
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: weren't as good as what his athleticism was, and then

1022
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: his numbers of the combine were unspectacular. Give me your

1023
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: thoughts on Draymond Jones and and kinda where the arrows

1024
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: pointing with him in his career and what you saw

1025
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: from him on a consistent basis at Ohio State. Yeah,

1026
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 1: I was a little surprised by the combined numbers too. Um.

1027
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: You know, he did not strike me as being a

1028
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: slow player. I don't think he's very quick, very twitchy. Um.

1029
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: You know, I think a forty time for a defensive

1030
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: tackle is among the more useless. I mean I do.

1031
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're counting on your defensive tackle to

1032
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: kit chase somebody forty yards down the field, you got

1033
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: bigger problem. Yeah. Absolutely, But but I think the one

1034
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: thing that that though was his his three cone wasn't great,

1035
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: which I thought was gonna be a lot better because

1036
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: you know, you have that twitch stuff with the defensive lineman, right, yeah,

1037
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: he You know, I'd go by what I see on

1038
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: tape more than I go by a three color. I mean,

1039
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: I think the combine stuff, it can be it's useful.

1040
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: But if people are gonna make their final judgments on

1041
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: players based on that rather than watching the tape, I

1042
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: think they're making a mistake. Teams believe that too, But yeah,

1043
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: I think that Draymond Jones he's a three technique guy.

1044
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: He's not a clogger. He's not a guy's gonna play

1045
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: a qualified nose tackle position. But if you want a

1046
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: guy who can uh provide some interior pass rush and

1047
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:38,240
Speaker 1: be good against the run, he's He's good. I mean again,

1048
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: his numbers were good last year. They would have been

1049
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: better if posts have been around that played all year,

1050
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: but it wasn't like very much Jones needed Nick Boston

1051
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: to put up good numbers. He's still like good numbers.

1052
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: He was the only, honestly a player who made all

1053
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: Big ten on defense, so uh, people knew how good

1054
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: he was and and uh and a very self confident

1055
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: guy to um any young guy. He's also young. He's

1056
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: he's a fourth year junior, but I think he enrolled

1057
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 1: early in Ohio State, so uh, you know, I think

1058
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: he's a borderline first round pick. If he were available

1059
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: mid to late second round, I'd i'd snap him up.

1060
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: I mean, if he slipped farther than that, You know,

1061
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: I don't, I'd be very surprised. I remember a few

1062
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: years ago high State at a player Michael Bennett, who

1063
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 1: I thought was going to be back in third round guy,

1064
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 1: and he last to a sixth round and I was

1065
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: like done by that. Um, you had a little bit

1066
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 1: of an injury history and and all that. So, you know,

1067
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: I kind of give up on predicting these things. And

1068
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: sometimes it's just what does the team need and who's

1069
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: on their draft board at the moment, and and it's

1070
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: just kind of a crapshoot in certain ways. But I

1071
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 1: think Draymond Jones is going to be a very solid

1072
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: NFL player. Bill, my final question, you planted a seed

1073
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: for me because we all know all how it States

1074
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: such a good program. They have so many guys that

1075
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 1: we can talk about. But you said when you talked

1076
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: about Michael Thomas that you thought he'd beat the sleeper

1077
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: of the Buckeye draft class. Who is the sleeper of

1078
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 1: this year's Buckeye draft class who were not talking about

1079
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: who you think has a chance to be an NFL player. Yeah,

1080
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: that's a good question. I'm trying to go through the

1081
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,439
Speaker 1: number there how many have to combine. Uh, sorry about

1082
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: my landline ringing. Um. I think Johnny Dixon is a

1083
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: guy who he battled the injuries, almost gave up the game.

1084
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: He had a really good product. He looked really quick

1085
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: if his knees hold up when it was tennanitis and

1086
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: you know it's not a structural thing like a ligaments.

1087
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: I think he could surprise a lot of people. He's

1088
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: in the class of Paris Campbell and McLaren. Not quite

1089
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: as fast, but uh, you know, a little more limited,

1090
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: smaller framed. He's not going to be a guy. I

1091
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: mean he'd be a third or fourth kind of receiver. Um.

1092
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 1: But again, a quality guy. I thought he I thought

1093
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: he really helped himself on prote He made some really

1094
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: nice catches. He really good hands, um. And I think

1095
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: he's hungry because he almost lost football and he'd almost

1096
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: given up on it. And so he's a guy that

1097
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: ad that late in the draft. I would take a

1098
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: flyer on him. I'm trying to think of who who else?

1099
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 1: There's so many. Um, Kendall Sheffield. You know Kendall Sheffield

1100
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: as a guy who didn't until the Rose Boss that

1101
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl was his best game didn't quite put

1102
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: it together. And some of it I questioned was the coaching.

1103
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 1: They just didn't teach their guys how to effect them. Hell,

1104
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 1: turn around and look for the ball and the pe boss.

1105
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: He was always in position. You never saw Kendall Sheffield

1106
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: just get beat um. But he just didn't make all

1107
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: the plays you thought he could make, and I think

1108
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: was good coaching. He's got the skills, he's got the speed.

1109
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 1: I mean, one of the shames about the combines he

1110
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 1: heard himself in the lips he sports beck. He didn't

1111
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: need surgery, but it kept him from running the forty

1112
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: he might have put up afore two. I mean, he's

1113
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 1: he I be the fastest guy in the NFL dot

1114
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: com Adam is is bad so uh and with the injury,

1115
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:09,839
Speaker 1: I don't know how that will will effect his draft

1116
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: at US. And we really don't know him why he

1117
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: didn't like talking to the media. It wasn't rude about it,

1118
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: just didn't make himself available. So I can't really say

1119
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: I know a lot about him. He's just the guy

1120
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 1: that you saw on Saturdays. Uh. If he's healthy, which

1121
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: I would assume he would be by the time the

1122
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: season starts. Since he didn't need surgery because of his speed. Um,

1123
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 1: he's an intriguing guy. I think he will require a

1124
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 1: lot of coaching, but the skills are there, so he's

1125
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 1: the guy to look for. I guess built final one

1126
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: for me. I was going to rename Ohio State Defensive

1127
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: back University over the past few years, and I'm shocked

1128
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: to look down and only see the one dB really

1129
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 1: on your prospect list coming out. Do you guys have

1130
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 1: a lot of freshmen coming down the pike that you

1131
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,399
Speaker 1: know are going to fit into that. You know, all

1132
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: those guys that have come out in the draft the

1133
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 1: last few years, whether it's Milie Cooker or Eli Apple

1134
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 1: and basically the guys that have been populating NFL defensive

1135
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,479
Speaker 1: backfields over the past couple of years. Yeah, I think

1136
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Kuda, he'll be a junior this year, five star

1137
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: guy out of Texas. I think he's the next guy

1138
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,879
Speaker 1: to be that. I think he certainly has first round

1139
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: ability if he again, like like Sheffield, played his best

1140
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 1: game in the Rose Bowl. With new coaching this year,

1141
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: new coaching staff on the defensive side will be very

1142
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: interested to see exact We're going to talk to the

1143
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:28,439
Speaker 1: DBS today. Very interested to see his development this year.

1144
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: He's got all the skills, he's got the size, he's

1145
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: it's just a matter if he's doing it on the field.

1146
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: If he lives up to that potential, I think he

1147
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 1: is definitely a first round you know, certainly a first

1148
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: round potential pick next year. Um, Damon Arnette was gonna

1149
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 1: turn pro last after the season and wisely chose not

1150
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: to because he had a disappointing year. He's looked really

1151
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: good this spring. If he has the kind of year

1152
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: that he hopes, I think he'd be, uh, you know,

1153
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: a guy that teams will look at. I don't think

1154
00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: he's the first round guy, but I think he's a

1155
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: guy that that can play in the league if he

1156
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: if he develops. But um, yeah, last year it was

1157
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 1: the defensive backs were just warning. There's there's no question

1158
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: about it. And the whole defense was I mean it

1159
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: was the worst defense and on highest state history statistically,

1160
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: and uh, they gave up big plays and some of

1161
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: that is because the offense scored so fast. There is there. Yeah,

1162
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: it's like a run on gun basketball team that yeah,

1163
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: they're gonna give up any points because they score a hundred.

1164
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: But um, so there is some of that. But but

1165
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: the big plays at hyest they gave up last year,

1166
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: which just I mean, it was ridiculous. They really for defense.

1167
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:40,919
Speaker 1: It's good as the highest states should be. To give

1168
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: up you know, at certain times back to back a

1169
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: yard touchdown runs, it's just kind of like what's going on. So, uh,

1170
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 1: they've revamped the defense this year. Larry Johnson is the

1171
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: only coach that give it a blind coach who's one

1172
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: of the best of the country. He's the only one

1173
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: that's that's gonna be uh, that's back. So it'll be

1174
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: very interesting to see how the last defense looks this year.

1175
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: I mean, Chase Young the defense and will be a

1176
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: first round pick next year unless something really strange happens,

1177
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 1: top ten pick, I would think, so, um, you know

1178
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:14,439
Speaker 1: they'll be The pipeline is not dried up in Ohio State, Bill,

1179
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 1: great stuff. Put it on your calendar. We're talking about

1180
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: a year as we talked about another dozen Ohio states

1181
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: prospects that I got to dominate the NFL. Thank you

1182
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: very much, Thanks Bill, thanks for having me on. That's

1183
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: Bill Benowitz. He covers Ohio State for The Dispatch In

1184
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: Columbus Ohio and Paul never a limited amount of players

1185
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: from Ohio State. Always a lot of good players, but

1186
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 1: more on the offensive side of the ball this year

1187
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,439
Speaker 1: than we used to see. And as we spoke about, yeah,

1188
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: that's very true, And I don't blame him for kind

1189
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: of like passing these guys along like a mother hand,

1190
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: because quite honestly, if you've got to keep track of

1191
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 1: all the guys they have, plus all the guys they

1192
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: have in the NFL, you could probably populate the planet.

1193
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 1: They have so many prospects. How could he possibly keep

1194
00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:59,600
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00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:01,480
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01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:17,800
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1202
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,360
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