WEBVTT - Halloween (1978) 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:03.760 On the Bell Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:07.760 women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:12.160 or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zef and Best 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:16.279 start changing it with the beck Del Cast. Hello, and 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:18.520 welcome to the Beachdel Cast. My name is Caitlin Darante. 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:21.360 My name is Jamie Loftus, and we talk about the 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:24.880 portrayal of women in movies all the time, but also 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:28.240 on this podcast, which is what it's about. H I thines, 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:32.040 this is our best interest. So good. It's Oh, it's 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:38.880 spooky sperience in this scary month. It's Halloween. We Uh 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:42.680 this was a requested episode, was it not? Yes? People? Actually, 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:44.960 I don't know if this if people wanted this one 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:49.000 or not, but there is a Halloween coming. Sorry, I 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:52.879 didn't want this. What you're getting it. It's a free product. 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:54.800 You know, you have to listen to it. We are 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:59.279 mostly doing this because of the Halloween film that is 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:03.240 opening tomorrow. Assuming you're listening to this on the day 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:06.959 that this podcast episode comes out. With Jamie Lae Curtis 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:12.480 herself the Queen. She's back Scream Queen Icon. She was 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:19.160 also in Scream Queen's Yeah Wild. Anyways, Caitlin, before we 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:20.800 get into it, do you have a plan for your 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:24.640 Halloween costumes this year? I have started doing a thing 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:29.360 where I dress up as my own couple's costume. Oh yes, 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:31.920 I was so. For example, last year, I was both 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:36.480 Marty McFly and his girlfriend Jennifer in one outfit. So 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:38.240 I think I'm going to do the same thing this 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:41.880 year with materials that I already have. I have everything 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:45.479 I need to do both a Wayne and Garth from 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:50.120 Wayne's World, so I might do that. That's great, that's inspired. Um, 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:51.960 and yeah, I'm just gonna that's gonna be my my 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:54.520 new thing because a few years before that, you know 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:57.200 how people will dress up like as catch up and Mustard, 0:01:57.520 --> 0:01:59.840 while I dressed up it's just catch up. When years 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:02.840 was like, need no mustard, And then the following year, 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:04.360 I dressed up as a mustard and I said, I 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:08.240 don't need no ketchup. So and now I'm just combining. Basically, 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:10.480 I'm going to be single forever is the theme of 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:15.399 my costume. I am going to be the Bobba Duke. 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:18.000 I guess that's so, I'm gonna be Boba Duck. I'm 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:22.000 going to try really hard to be the perfect Boba Duke. Great, well, 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:25.920 that okay, So that conversation didn't pass the Bechdel test 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:31.320 because we talked about Marty McFly garth Algar, Bobba bobad 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:35.920 genderless icon. So yeah, I think that that's fair. So 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:39.280 part of that conversation passed. So we use the Bechdel 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:42.560 test as a way to initiate a larger conversation about 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:45.480 the representation of women in film. The Bechdel Test, of course, 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:48.639 for us, is a test that you apply to movies. 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:52.919 It requires that the movie has two named female identifying 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:56.040 characters who speak to each other about anything other than 0:02:56.080 --> 0:03:00.000 a man for at least a two line exchange. For example, 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:02.400 Hey Caitlin, Hey Jamie, did you know that the Babba 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:05.960 Duke is a queer icon? I did know that. Excellent 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:12.320 and night passes alright, So well, without much further Ado, 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:16.200 let's let's get into it. I'm so excited to have 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:19.680 our guest with us today. She's absolutely wonderful. She has 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:23.320 a film critic and the host of the Switchblade Sisters podcast. 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:29.200 Please welcome, April Wolf, Hi, Welcome, thanks for being here. 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:32.760 Thank you for having me in this beautiful little studio. 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:37.560 Of course, is it spooky and he so spooky? You 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:41.640 guys should see what they did with the play everywhere. 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:44.000 But I think that's just you know, I like imagining 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:47.040 that you guys record like in a dingy basement somewhere. 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:52.160 We used to record in an old attic recorded at 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:55.720 meltdown back in the day, so you know, stinky attic 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:59.560 and now no not Yeah, that's our story. That's what 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:03.440 Oh what a story it is. Speaking of stories, let's 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:10.000 talk about the story of Halloween, the John Carpenter nine film. 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:15.320 Very smooth, thank you, that's you know me. I'm a 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:22.599 segue icon, okay, like the scooter, Yeah, you're like, people 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:25.120 are all about those bird scooters. I'm still rocking the 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:30.640 segirl Like honey, I just paid off my segway writing that. Um, 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:34.000 So April, tell us about your history, your relationship with 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:38.200 the film Halloween. Oh, I just fucking love it. Um 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:41.880 When did you first see it? When I was probably 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:43.960 too young to even remember that I was seeing it. 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:46.560 My family and I used to watch horror movies when 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:50.159 we were very very young and continued doing so, so 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:54.800 I am a horror queen. I really enjoyed the genre, 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:59.760 and um, I just remember it was very chilling. It 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:01.479 was one that's stuck with me in the same way 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:04.120 that Nightmare in Elm Street did. Those two are kind 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:06.360 of like paired up in my mind, even though they're very, 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:09.920 very different movies. So yeah, I've confused them before because 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:11.680 I wasn't sure if I had seen this movie or not. 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:16.560 It's funny, but people also confuse Friday. I had to 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:19.880 hear a very long conversation that I couldn't interrupt in 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:22.320 the theater where people will talk. We're talking about Jason 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:27.680 Vorhees and Halloween, and I was like, no, not Jason, 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:31.040 the test of your lifetime. It was just like, am 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:33.120 I going to be that person who's sitting by themselves 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:40.920 in the theater exactly? I didn't, So Jamie, what's your history? 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:43.760 I thought I had seen it, and I thought, but 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:45.920 this is again one of those movies that is so 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:49.360 known in the culture that there were certain scenes that 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:51.599 I was like, oh, I've seen that, but I hadn't 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:54.560 seen the whole movie. So I saw it, you know, 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:57.719 this morning. I saw it this morning and very good. 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:02.839 It's a scary fucking movie. It's like, yeah, it holds 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:05.760 up in terms of it was very scary. Yeah, I 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:07.920 liked it, and I like horror movies. I just um 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:12.719 get them confused. Sure, yeah, I mean was to confuse. 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:16.200 There's just like a lot of murders usually a man 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:18.960 in a mask, a mask, I mean, like they're very 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:23.839 different movies. It's always like, uh yeah, an angry man 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:26.520 with with a mask and also like a weirdly chill 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:30.600 sounding name every time you're like, oh, Michael. Yeah. And 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:34.280 also as a as a notorious collector of Michael's, this 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:38.279 one hit close to home. Sure sure, sure. My history 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:41.760 is I saw the original Halloween probably for the first 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:44.320 time in college when I was just you know, you're 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:48.600 collecting Michael's. I'm collecting having watched movies, you know, as 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:51.600 a film student. You know, I'm just get this one. 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:53.640 Got to catch them all, you know. But I didn't 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:58.200 watch it again, although I did see Halloween H two oh, 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:01.039 I think in high school. So bad movie. That's the 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:03.279 first one night and I haven't I haven't rewatched it 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:07.680 since then. And then I saw Halloween Resurrection in the 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:10.280 theaters with the couple of friends of mine in high school. 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:13.840 Really quick, where does the H two O come in? Well? Great, 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:18.360 question there is. I did not realize quite how extensive 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:22.360 the Halloween franchise was. But we've got this first, the 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:25.320 original one in nineteen seventy eight, Halloween two comes out 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:28.320 in eighty one, and we've got Halloween three, Season of 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:30.920 the Witch, and we've got Halloween four, Return of Michael 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:36.040 Myers in ninet, Halloween five from nineteen eighty nine, and 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:38.840 we've got Halloween The Curse of Michael Myers from nine. 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:43.840 I will admit that I've not seen them all up 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:46.720 to a point. I kind of was picking and choosing, 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:50.360 and we have I mean, we haven't even hit Halloween. No, no, 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:56.360 like this is a long way. God, Halloween. Is it 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:58.680 just a remake of the first one? But Underwater? Was 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:03.520 my couestion. Is it Titanic or is it not? Because 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:06.880 I will see it if it's the Titanic. There there 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:09.400 is a movie called ghost Ship, which I think is 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:14.080 the closest thing we'll get to a scary Titanic. Then 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:17.480 we've got Halloween h two. Oh colin twenty years later, 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:23.120 with Jamie Lee Curtis reprising her role as Laurie Strode, 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:28.480 but underwater, but underwater this time she's in Scooby. Then 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:33.400 in two thousand two, we've got Halloween Resurrection again featuring 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:37.640 Jamie Lee Curtis as her Laurie Strode character. And finally 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:42.040 we've got the Halloween Movie coming out in two thousand 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:45.800 eighteen with again Jamie Lee Curtis. And then that is 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:50.160 not even including the two reboots that Rob Zombie made. 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:53.080 I think we should forget about those. Yeah, I've heard 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:56.080 they're bad, but I know that Rob's alv fans just 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:58.400 love them because it's his style, and that's you know, 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:00.600 that's whatever you want. But for me, they're not part 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:03.520 of the franchise, and that's that's fine. You know, like 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:05.680 like them, but they're not part of this franchise. I 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:10.800 feel got it. So the Halloween franchise, it is fairly extensive, 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:15.000 but we're gonna we're focusing on just the first one 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:19.160 for this episode. So my my background with the film 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:22.080 isn't super you know, I've just seen it a couple 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:24.960 of times now. As I've said before, horror is not 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:27.880 my favorite genre. Not that I don't like it, it's 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:31.080 just that I feel like you're like Scarity qualifying that 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:33.480 for me, like no, no, it's okay. You can like it. 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:37.120 It's fine, No, I really my so slasher movies. I 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.640 tend not to like very much. The horror movies that 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:43.599 I like the most um usually more of a supernatural 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:47.880 devil component to them, like Rosemary's Baby and on the 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:51.880 Exorcist and like the Olmen. I like that kind of 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:55.800 sub genre of horror a lot more. April is Michael 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:59.079 Myers like in your Tops In terms of like a 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:02.319 horror movie villa, I mean, I guess there's a lot 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:06.440 of horror movie. Yeah. I think some people don't realize 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:09.400 how deep the horror genre is because they you know, 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:14.160 you really only see the top ones constantly. But I mean, 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:16.880 he's definitely a wonderful creation because he is such a 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:20.200 blank slate. And yeah, there's always going to be that 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:23.840 really beautiful sequence of a little boy in a clown 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:27.719 costume holding a bloody knife, which is you know, it's 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:31.240 a great idea for a murderer, you know. Yeah, I 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:34.040 love that scene because it keeps the camera keeps pulling 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:36.440 out and it's just his two parents standing on either 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:39.520 side of them, not reacting at all. They don't go 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:42.240 into the house to see her hands are in her 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:49.200 pockets like she's like again, you know, like we're on 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:52.960 that scene for like maybe ten seconds or more and 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:56.240 not doing anything, and it's like, are you going to 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:59.280 investigate why your six year old son is holding it 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:02.400 crane for a day? You know, you would buy that 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:05.760 crane per day shot, hold the shot as long as 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:08.840 you can't get that crane, Like, okay, kid, continue to 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:15.839 look baffled at what you've done that. Yeah, shall I 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:19.520 do the recap? Yeah? Yes, So we open on a 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:24.079 scene where this little boy stabs his sister to death. 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:28.480 Oh and not just his sister, his completely nick sister. 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:31.319 You know, when you're just chilling in your room totally 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:34.280 nude and your brother comes in and you're like, hey, 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:37.160 get out of here, and you don't make any effort. 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:41.240 You turn your tips towards him. You're like, hey, come on, 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:45.000 Like that was really funny. That's my first favorite male 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:47.080 gaze moment of the movie. And I was like, oh yeah, 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:49.760 when my child brother comes in and I just make 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:52.680 no effort to conceal my tips at all. Right, they're 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:55.400 really good tits though, too. I remember being like, oh shit, 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:57.560 I don't think I appreciated those when I was a kid. 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:01.160 Just beautiful if I had seen If I had seen 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:03.240 the movie when I was younger, they would have made 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:06.800 me feel bad because they're that good. Yeah, they're that good. 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:10.839 I would have taken it personally. Okay, So then um, 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:14.319 she dies and the reveal is that, oh, the person 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:18.319 who just slaughtered this young nude woman was a six 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:23.400 year old boy and her parents don't care. And then 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:26.720 we cut too. I believe it's fifteen years later. There 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:30.240 are a few medical personnel who go to this psychiatric 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:34.640 ward to move Michael Myers, the man that this little 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:37.680 murder kid grew up to be, but he has already 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:41.559 gotten out. He attacks the nurse and he steals their 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:44.400 car and escapes. So that would put Michael Myers in 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:48.080 his like early twenties. Yeah, yeah, you know, he's he's young, 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:52.120 yearning to be free, young buck. I could drink. Now 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:54.480 get this guy, and let's get this guy in night school. 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:57.880 We can turn this around. We should say that Donald 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:01.199 Pleasants is one of the Yes, he is the one 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:03.640 of my favorite actors of all time. So he plays 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:07.520 Dr Loomis. So Michael Myers is he's out on the town. 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:14.719 He's looking for a zomba class, and it is Halloween. Now. So, 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:17.880 then we meet Laurie Strode Jamie Lee Curtis's character. She 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:20.880 is a teenager. Her dad is trying to sell the 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:24.719 Myers house that we can assume has been abandoned for 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:28.000 quite some time. And throughout the day she starts seeing 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:31.720 this creepy guy in a mask who appears to be 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:34.520 stalking her. A few of her friends are around and 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:37.600 they don't really believe her. Um then we see Dr 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:42.199 Loomis notify the town sheriff who is also Annie, one 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:45.600 of Laurie's friends. That's her dad, and Dr Loomis is 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:49.800 all like Michael escaped and he's on the loose. Then 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:53.840 later that night, Lorie is babysitting for a little boy 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:59.280 and her friend Annie is also babysitting for another neighborhood girl. 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:03.040 There's a lot of different houses and babysitting situations, some real, 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:06.440 some real like questionable logic to get Annie out of 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:10.400 her clothes is given. I really liked that seeing Yeah, 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:13.680 I was like, wait a butter, She's like this is 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:17.000 a mess, strips nude and then there just happens to 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:19.880 be like a men's white dress shirt around where I'm 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:24.880 just like Lindsay's dad's shirt. She's like, I'm too much 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:27.320 of a hurry for pants. You know, she just can't. 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:30.480 She's so hardy she doesn't even put on pants. Silly 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:32.800 of the house. It's like, it's great. She gets stuck 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:39.040 in the window like Winnie the Pooh. It's crazy. It's yeah, 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:42.640 she's just like horny chaos that she's my favorite. I 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:46.080 really liked her. I was like, man, I would that's 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:50.920 that's who I wish I was in high school. So 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:54.280 their other friend, Linda is hanging out with her boyfriend. 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:59.280 So then Annie swings by with her child that she's babysitting, 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:01.960 and she's like, here, Laurie, take this kid. I have 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:05.400 to go have sex. No pants. No she's not with pants, 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:10.040 No questions about that, just yeah, Laurie says nothing. Lori's like, 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:17.440 that's my friend is no pants any but we love her. 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:21.640 So Annie leaves. She leaves to go hang out with 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:24.680 her boyfriend, but before she can get there, Michael Myers 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:28.200 gets her and he kills her. And then we moved 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:32.760 to Linda and Bob's area where they're hanging out, which 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.360 I think is either in Annie's house or the house 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:37.720 that Annie's supposed to be babysitting in it's at that 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:42.000 house because they like stumble into that house and the 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:46.400 start humping each other with the door unlocked, and then 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:49.280 they get the call that no one is coming back 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:51.600 after all, and I think that they decide to stay 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:53.920 right yeah, and then they're just like, let's get drunk, 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:59.560 like sleeping the people's like. Then another one of my 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:02.560 favorite it reacts and the whole You know, when you 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:05.520 know your boyfriend shows up at your door dressed as 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:08.960 a ghost with a sheet with glasses on over top 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:12.200 of it, and once again you whip your tits out 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:17.160 and you're like, you're like, oh my god, you like 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:21.720 what you see? I love God, which we should say 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:23.800 that actress is also one one of my favorite movies, 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:28.200 Rock and Roll High School. Yeah, she's the lead in 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:31.200 that movie. She's also in a recent episode We did 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:36.560 carry a Girl. Yes she is, she's the Sportyes she 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:39.040 She wore her hat to the audition and they were like, no, 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:40.680 that's who your characters and she's like, oh funk, I 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:45.040 want to play someone else. It's a very productive couple 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:49.320 of years for this lady. Yeah. So, uh, Linda and 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:53.920 her boyfriend have sex and then they get murdered whenever 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:57.400 Michael Myers comes in. They had sex after all, exactly, yeah, 0:16:57.560 --> 0:17:00.720 we'll talk about that. Um. And then so Laurie goes 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:03.880 to investigate because she's like, hey, my friends aren't where 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:06.720 there said they're going to be, and she finds their 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:11.399 dead bodies. Then Michael Myers pops in. He's like hey, 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:19.359 and he cuts her arm. He's literally like hey, hey, yeah, 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:22.920 she's like, oh hey. They scuffle, she hurts her legs. 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:25.679 She she gets away, runs back to the house that 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:30.119 she's babysitting at. She's screaming, somebody please help me. Where's 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:33.520 Dr Loomis and all this we don't know. Then Michael 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:36.280 Myers comes into the house. He's trying to get her. 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:38.919 She's fighting back. She stabs him with a knitting needle. 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:44.480 He collapses. He seems dead, but he's not. Come on, Laurie, 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:48.320 that's not going to kill someone probably, So then she 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:51.320 like barricades herself in the closet. He's breaking in. She 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:54.119 pokes him in the eye with a clothes hanger. He 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:58.520 drops his knife. She stabs him. He collapses again, seeming dead, 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:01.160 but he's not because then gets back up, and then 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:04.600 there's one final struggle and then Dr Loomis comes in 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:07.959 shoots him. Michael Myers falls out the window and then 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:09.840 they're like, oh, we got him, but then when they 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:16.120 look outside, he's gone. And that's the end of the movie. 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:21.040 It is, so let's take a quick break and then 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:30.520 we'll come back to discuss, and we're back. So this 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:35.600 movie was co written and produced by a woman, Deborah Hill. 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:40.040 Um I believe John Carpenter's then girlfriend, later his wife, 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:43.120 and then even after that his ex wife. But it's 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:46.639 my understanding that she wrote a lot of the dialogue 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:50.120 for the women, while Carpenter wrote most of the dialogue 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:52.520 for the men. In April you I think no more 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:56.959 about this. So yeah, I believe that she was very 0:18:57.040 --> 0:18:59.920 involved in the story structure. And if you watch the 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:04.280 movie very prominently, it says a Deborah Hill film, does 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:07.520 not say a John Carpenter film, because she was the producer. 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:10.080 So as the creative producer on this project, you know, 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:14.120 she was shepherding it all the way through. And it's 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:18.159 a weird thing to go into maybe like um freshman 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:21.480 year film classes or something where they're watching Halloween and 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:24.919 they talk about it as though it's a not Tours film, 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:27.280 and that's wonderful. And I love John Carpenter with all 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:29.560 of my heart. He's one of my favorite cranky assholes. 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:33.399 But this is a collaborative film, and so much of 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:36.640 his work was collaborative with Deborah Hill and with other 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:39.480 people as well. So it's it's a strange thing to 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:42.720 think that a woman was the driving force behind this 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:47.040 movie and helped him push it over the threshold. So 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:51.760 I hope people remember it as a Debora Hill film, 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:56.560 but they don't because because yeah, it's really interesting to 0:19:56.600 --> 0:19:58.920 look at her New York Times obituary. She did die 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:02.760 very young. I think No. Five, yeah, and No. Five, 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:07.679 and she was only like fifty. So the headline of 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:11.280 her obituary says, you know, essentially the woman who helped 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:15.639 create Halloween. And it's real fucked up for me to 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:19.200 think that, like the story genesis actually might have been hers, 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:21.280 because if it says a Debris Hill film, she was 0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:26.000 probably the one who was behind the right. Yeah, so yeah, 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:29.120 you know, she helped create it, you know, But that's 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:32.240 such a it's such a diminutive way of talking about 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:35.760 her role in this movie. And then the other John Carpenter, 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:38.000 But I guess. You know, it's one of those things 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:40.560 where headlines there are just like so and so's wife 0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:43.560 does this, you know, Yeah, it's the his wife of 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:49.560 his wife. Yeah, it's that's really frustrating and disappoine I'm 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:52.520 saying she also was involved with The Fog, Escape from 0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:55.000 New York and Escape from l A some of my 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:59.440 favorite films for sure. Well, poor went out for Deborah tonight. 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:02.600 That's so fucking frustrating. I love. One of my favorite 0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:05.600 things is that she I hope that she came up 0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:09.600 with the conkis to door storyline for the Fog. You 0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:11.560 guys have ever seen that, It's just like I have 0:21:12.240 --> 0:21:17.479 ghost conkyst doors are just like sure invading a radio station, 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:22.800 so wonderful. And yeah, I I feel like a woman 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:25.520 being a driving force behind this project does show at 0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:29.919 a lot of points because because I do have a 0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:33.480 lot of these horror movies of this era conflated, I 0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:37.640 assumed that this movie was going to be less good 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:40.400 to women that and that the female characters in the story, 0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:43.200 I guess we're going to be less active than they 0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:46.040 than they ended up being. Because I think that I 0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:48.000 mean a lot of horror movies that came out like 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:50.000 when I was in high school. First of all, they 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:53.880 were remix of a lot of these, and they were worse, 0:21:54.040 --> 0:21:57.720 where like female characters were even less active, and there 0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:00.439 was even more pressure for them to be you know, 0:22:00.600 --> 0:22:03.720 scantily clad. And I mean, I guess, you know, Annie, 0:22:04.320 --> 0:22:08.040 there there are some clear moments, but I I don't know, 0:22:08.080 --> 0:22:12.200 I was flord. Something happened in the nineties and early 0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:15.439 aughts that turned me off of a lot of horror films. 0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:17.080 And it was really nice when I could find some 0:22:17.800 --> 0:22:20.560 that kind of bucked those trends, some international movies that 0:22:20.600 --> 0:22:22.640 had come around around that time that you know, we're 0:22:22.640 --> 0:22:24.919 just a little bit different, or some indies, you know, 0:22:25.000 --> 0:22:28.120 like the movie May came out around that time, Lucky 0:22:28.200 --> 0:22:31.320 McKee's movie, and you know that's one where like a 0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:35.120 woman is very very present and wonderful and so good 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:39.280 Angela Bettison, Anna Faris or in that one. Interesting. Yeah, 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:41.040 I feel like a lot of it kind of just 0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:44.720 turned into this like torture porn genre of you know, 0:22:44.840 --> 0:22:48.800 just like brutality with like no nuance almost, but again 0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:52.000 I don't know enough about it's true, So really it 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:54.800 was a driving force in that and it's a really 0:22:54.800 --> 0:22:57.439 interesting thing. I did interview one of the directors of 0:22:57.480 --> 0:23:00.920 the Saw franchise, um Darren Bousman, who it's a really 0:23:01.040 --> 0:23:03.879 kind person and you know, he owes a lot of 0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:06.840 his career to Saw, but you know he's got children 0:23:06.880 --> 0:23:09.560 now and he's like, I would never direct one of 0:23:09.600 --> 0:23:12.000 those movies if I were the person that I am now. 0:23:12.320 --> 0:23:14.760 You know, I'm not sure if I would. I'm not 0:23:14.840 --> 0:23:17.080 comfortable with it. I'm not I don't want to put 0:23:17.119 --> 0:23:19.600 that into the world, you know. So he's like a 0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:22.800 weird thing that happened and in that time period. That's 0:23:22.800 --> 0:23:25.560 so interesting that he went on record as well, well, 0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:28.439 well link that to that interview too, because that is 0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:30.520 I think kind of like cool of him to to 0:23:30.640 --> 0:23:34.119 cop to as well. Interesting. You know, everyone outgrows some 0:23:34.200 --> 0:23:36.880 of their their old desires, their old things that they 0:23:36.880 --> 0:23:39.800 wanted to make, and you feel like it's childish and 0:23:39.840 --> 0:23:41.439 you're you know, you're kind of caught up in like 0:23:41.480 --> 0:23:43.800 this is the zeitgeist of what was going on in horror. 0:23:43.840 --> 0:23:46.560 Then sure, kind of going off of that, that was 0:23:46.720 --> 0:23:48.800 the reason I wasn't, I mean, part of the reason 0:23:48.840 --> 0:23:51.040 I'm not that into horror movies because I you know, 0:23:51.200 --> 0:23:53.520