1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: On the Bell Cast, the questions asked if movies have 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zef and Best 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 1: start changing it with the beck Del Cast. Hello, and 5 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: welcome to the Beachdel Cast. My name is Caitlin Darante. 6 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: My name is Jamie Loftus, and we talk about the 7 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: portrayal of women in movies all the time, but also 8 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: on this podcast, which is what it's about. H I thines, 9 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: this is our best interest. So good. It's Oh, it's 10 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: spooky sperience in this scary month. It's Halloween. We Uh 11 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: this was a requested episode, was it not? Yes? People? Actually, 12 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if this if people wanted this one 13 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: or not, but there is a Halloween coming. Sorry, I 14 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: didn't want this. What you're getting it. It's a free product. 15 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: You know, you have to listen to it. We are 16 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:59,279 Speaker 1: mostly doing this because of the Halloween film that is 17 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: opening tomorrow. Assuming you're listening to this on the day 18 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: that this podcast episode comes out. With Jamie Lae Curtis 19 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: herself the Queen. She's back Scream Queen Icon. She was 20 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: also in Scream Queen's Yeah Wild. Anyways, Caitlin, before we 21 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: get into it, do you have a plan for your 22 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: Halloween costumes this year? I have started doing a thing 23 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: where I dress up as my own couple's costume. Oh yes, 24 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: I was so. For example, last year, I was both 25 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: Marty McFly and his girlfriend Jennifer in one outfit. So 26 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: I think I'm going to do the same thing this 27 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: year with materials that I already have. I have everything 28 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 1: I need to do both a Wayne and Garth from 29 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: Wayne's World, so I might do that. That's great, that's inspired. Um, 30 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: and yeah, I'm just gonna that's gonna be my my 31 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: new thing because a few years before that, you know 32 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: how people will dress up like as catch up and Mustard, 33 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: while I dressed up it's just catch up. When years 34 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: was like, need no mustard, And then the following year, 35 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: I dressed up as a mustard and I said, I 36 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: don't need no ketchup. So and now I'm just combining. Basically, 37 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: I'm going to be single forever is the theme of 38 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:15,399 Speaker 1: my costume. I am going to be the Bobba Duke. 39 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: I guess that's so, I'm gonna be Boba Duck. I'm 40 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: going to try really hard to be the perfect Boba Duke. Great, well, 41 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 1: that okay, So that conversation didn't pass the Bechdel test 42 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: because we talked about Marty McFly garth Algar, Bobba bobad 43 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: genderless icon. So yeah, I think that that's fair. So 44 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: part of that conversation passed. So we use the Bechdel 45 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: test as a way to initiate a larger conversation about 46 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: the representation of women in film. The Bechdel Test, of course, 47 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 1: for us, is a test that you apply to movies. 48 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: It requires that the movie has two named female identifying 49 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: characters who speak to each other about anything other than 50 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: a man for at least a two line exchange. For example, 51 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: Hey Caitlin, Hey Jamie, did you know that the Babba 52 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: Duke is a queer icon? I did know that. Excellent 53 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: and night passes alright, So well, without much further Ado, 54 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: let's let's get into it. I'm so excited to have 55 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: our guest with us today. She's absolutely wonderful. She has 56 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: a film critic and the host of the Switchblade Sisters podcast. 57 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: Please welcome, April Wolf, Hi, Welcome, thanks for being here. 58 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me in this beautiful little studio. 59 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: Of course, is it spooky and he so spooky? You 60 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: guys should see what they did with the play everywhere. 61 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: But I think that's just you know, I like imagining 62 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: that you guys record like in a dingy basement somewhere. 63 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: We used to record in an old attic recorded at 64 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: meltdown back in the day, so you know, stinky attic 65 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: and now no not Yeah, that's our story. That's what 66 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: Oh what a story it is. Speaking of stories, let's 67 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: talk about the story of Halloween, the John Carpenter nine film. 68 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: Very smooth, thank you, that's you know me. I'm a 69 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 1: segue icon, okay, like the scooter, Yeah, you're like, people 70 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: are all about those bird scooters. I'm still rocking the 71 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: segirl Like honey, I just paid off my segway writing that. Um, 72 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: So April, tell us about your history, your relationship with 73 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: the film Halloween. Oh, I just fucking love it. Um 74 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: When did you first see it? When I was probably 75 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: too young to even remember that I was seeing it. 76 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: My family and I used to watch horror movies when 77 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 1: we were very very young and continued doing so, so 78 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: I am a horror queen. I really enjoyed the genre, 79 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: and um, I just remember it was very chilling. It 80 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 1: was one that's stuck with me in the same way 81 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: that Nightmare in Elm Street did. Those two are kind 82 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: of like paired up in my mind, even though they're very, 83 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: very different movies. So yeah, I've confused them before because 84 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: I wasn't sure if I had seen this movie or not. 85 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: It's funny, but people also confuse Friday. I had to 86 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: hear a very long conversation that I couldn't interrupt in 87 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: the theater where people will talk. We're talking about Jason 88 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: Vorhees and Halloween, and I was like, no, not Jason, 89 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: the test of your lifetime. It was just like, am 90 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: I going to be that person who's sitting by themselves 91 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: in the theater exactly? I didn't, So Jamie, what's your history? 92 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: I thought I had seen it, and I thought, but 93 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: this is again one of those movies that is so 94 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: known in the culture that there were certain scenes that 95 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I've seen that, but I hadn't 96 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: seen the whole movie. So I saw it, you know, 97 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: this morning. I saw it this morning and very good. 98 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: It's a scary fucking movie. It's like, yeah, it holds 99 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: up in terms of it was very scary. Yeah, I 100 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: liked it, and I like horror movies. I just um 101 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 1: get them confused. Sure, yeah, I mean was to confuse. 102 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: There's just like a lot of murders usually a man 103 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: in a mask, a mask, I mean, like they're very 104 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 1: different movies. It's always like, uh yeah, an angry man 105 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: with with a mask and also like a weirdly chill 106 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: sounding name every time you're like, oh, Michael. Yeah. And 107 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 1: also as a as a notorious collector of Michael's, this 108 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: one hit close to home. Sure sure, sure. My history 109 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: is I saw the original Halloween probably for the first 110 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: time in college when I was just you know, you're 111 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: collecting Michael's. I'm collecting having watched movies, you know, as 112 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: a film student. You know, I'm just get this one. 113 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: Got to catch them all, you know. But I didn't 114 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: watch it again, although I did see Halloween H two oh, 115 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 1: I think in high school. So bad movie. That's the 116 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 1: first one night and I haven't I haven't rewatched it 117 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: since then. And then I saw Halloween Resurrection in the 118 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: theaters with the couple of friends of mine in high school. 119 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: Really quick, where does the H two O come in? Well? Great, 120 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: question there is. I did not realize quite how extensive 121 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: the Halloween franchise was. But we've got this first, the 122 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: original one in nineteen seventy eight, Halloween two comes out 123 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: in eighty one, and we've got Halloween three, Season of 124 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: the Witch, and we've got Halloween four, Return of Michael 125 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: Myers in ninet, Halloween five from nineteen eighty nine, and 126 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: we've got Halloween The Curse of Michael Myers from nine. 127 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: I will admit that I've not seen them all up 128 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: to a point. I kind of was picking and choosing, 129 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: and we have I mean, we haven't even hit Halloween. No, no, 130 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: like this is a long way. God, Halloween. Is it 131 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: just a remake of the first one? But Underwater? Was 132 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: my couestion. Is it Titanic or is it not? Because 133 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: I will see it if it's the Titanic. There there 134 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: is a movie called ghost Ship, which I think is 135 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: the closest thing we'll get to a scary Titanic. Then 136 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: we've got Halloween h two. Oh colin twenty years later, 137 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: with Jamie Lee Curtis reprising her role as Laurie Strode, 138 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: but underwater, but underwater this time she's in Scooby. Then 139 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: in two thousand two, we've got Halloween Resurrection again featuring 140 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: Jamie Lee Curtis as her Laurie Strode character. And finally 141 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: we've got the Halloween Movie coming out in two thousand 142 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: eighteen with again Jamie Lee Curtis. And then that is 143 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: not even including the two reboots that Rob Zombie made. 144 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: I think we should forget about those. Yeah, I've heard 145 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: they're bad, but I know that Rob's alv fans just 146 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: love them because it's his style, and that's you know, 147 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: that's whatever you want. But for me, they're not part 148 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: of the franchise, and that's that's fine. You know, like 149 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: like them, but they're not part of this franchise. I 150 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: feel got it. So the Halloween franchise, it is fairly extensive, 151 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: but we're gonna we're focusing on just the first one 152 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: for this episode. So my my background with the film 153 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: isn't super you know, I've just seen it a couple 154 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: of times now. As I've said before, horror is not 155 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: my favorite genre. Not that I don't like it, it's 156 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: just that I feel like you're like Scarity qualifying that 157 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: for me, like no, no, it's okay. You can like it. 158 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: It's fine, No, I really my so slasher movies. I 159 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: tend not to like very much. The horror movies that 160 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,599 Speaker 1: I like the most um usually more of a supernatural 161 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: devil component to them, like Rosemary's Baby and on the 162 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: Exorcist and like the Olmen. I like that kind of 163 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: sub genre of horror a lot more. April is Michael 164 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 1: Myers like in your Tops In terms of like a 165 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,319 Speaker 1: horror movie villa, I mean, I guess there's a lot 166 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: of horror movie. Yeah. I think some people don't realize 167 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: how deep the horror genre is because they you know, 168 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: you really only see the top ones constantly. But I mean, 169 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: he's definitely a wonderful creation because he is such a 170 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: blank slate. And yeah, there's always going to be that 171 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: really beautiful sequence of a little boy in a clown 172 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:27,719 Speaker 1: costume holding a bloody knife, which is you know, it's 173 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: a great idea for a murderer, you know. Yeah, I 174 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: love that scene because it keeps the camera keeps pulling 175 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: out and it's just his two parents standing on either 176 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: side of them, not reacting at all. They don't go 177 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: into the house to see her hands are in her 178 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: pockets like she's like again, you know, like we're on 179 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: that scene for like maybe ten seconds or more and 180 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: not doing anything, and it's like, are you going to 181 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: investigate why your six year old son is holding it 182 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: crane for a day? You know, you would buy that 183 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: crane per day shot, hold the shot as long as 184 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: you can't get that crane, Like, okay, kid, continue to 185 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:15,839 Speaker 1: look baffled at what you've done that. Yeah, shall I 186 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: do the recap? Yeah? Yes, So we open on a 187 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:24,079 Speaker 1: scene where this little boy stabs his sister to death. 188 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: Oh and not just his sister, his completely nick sister. 189 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,319 Speaker 1: You know, when you're just chilling in your room totally 190 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: nude and your brother comes in and you're like, hey, 191 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: get out of here, and you don't make any effort. 192 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: You turn your tips towards him. You're like, hey, come on, 193 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: Like that was really funny. That's my first favorite male 194 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: gaze moment of the movie. And I was like, oh yeah, 195 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: when my child brother comes in and I just make 196 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: no effort to conceal my tips at all. Right, they're 197 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: really good tits though, too. I remember being like, oh shit, 198 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: I don't think I appreciated those when I was a kid. 199 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: Just beautiful if I had seen If I had seen 200 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: the movie when I was younger, they would have made 201 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: me feel bad because they're that good. Yeah, they're that good. 202 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,839 Speaker 1: I would have taken it personally. Okay, So then um, 203 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 1: she dies and the reveal is that, oh, the person 204 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:18,319 Speaker 1: who just slaughtered this young nude woman was a six 205 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: year old boy and her parents don't care. And then 206 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: we cut too. I believe it's fifteen years later. There 207 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: are a few medical personnel who go to this psychiatric 208 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: ward to move Michael Myers, the man that this little 209 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: murder kid grew up to be, but he has already 210 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:41,559 Speaker 1: gotten out. He attacks the nurse and he steals their 211 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: car and escapes. So that would put Michael Myers in 212 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: his like early twenties. Yeah, yeah, you know, he's he's young, 213 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: yearning to be free, young buck. I could drink. Now 214 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: get this guy, and let's get this guy in night school. 215 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: We can turn this around. We should say that Donald 216 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 1: Pleasants is one of the Yes, he is the one 217 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: of my favorite actors of all time. So he plays 218 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: Dr Loomis. So Michael Myers is he's out on the town. 219 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:14,719 Speaker 1: He's looking for a zomba class, and it is Halloween. Now. So, 220 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: then we meet Laurie Strode Jamie Lee Curtis's character. She 221 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: is a teenager. Her dad is trying to sell the 222 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:24,719 Speaker 1: Myers house that we can assume has been abandoned for 223 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: quite some time. And throughout the day she starts seeing 224 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: this creepy guy in a mask who appears to be 225 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: stalking her. A few of her friends are around and 226 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: they don't really believe her. Um then we see Dr 227 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 1: Loomis notify the town sheriff who is also Annie, one 228 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: of Laurie's friends. That's her dad, and Dr Loomis is 229 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: all like Michael escaped and he's on the loose. Then 230 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: later that night, Lorie is babysitting for a little boy 231 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: and her friend Annie is also babysitting for another neighborhood girl. 232 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: There's a lot of different houses and babysitting situations, some real, 233 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: some real like questionable logic to get Annie out of 234 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: her clothes is given. I really liked that seeing Yeah, 235 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: I was like, wait a butter, She's like this is 236 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: a mess, strips nude and then there just happens to 237 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: be like a men's white dress shirt around where I'm 238 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: just like Lindsay's dad's shirt. She's like, I'm too much 239 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: of a hurry for pants. You know, she just can't. 240 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: She's so hardy she doesn't even put on pants. Silly 241 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: of the house. It's like, it's great. She gets stuck 242 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: in the window like Winnie the Pooh. It's crazy. It's yeah, 243 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: she's just like horny chaos that she's my favorite. I 244 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: really liked her. I was like, man, I would that's 245 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: that's who I wish I was in high school. So 246 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: their other friend, Linda is hanging out with her boyfriend. 247 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: So then Annie swings by with her child that she's babysitting, 248 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: and she's like, here, Laurie, take this kid. I have 249 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: to go have sex. No pants. No she's not with pants, 250 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: No questions about that, just yeah, Laurie says nothing. Lori's like, 251 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: that's my friend is no pants any but we love her. 252 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: So Annie leaves. She leaves to go hang out with 253 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: her boyfriend, but before she can get there, Michael Myers 254 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: gets her and he kills her. And then we moved 255 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: to Linda and Bob's area where they're hanging out, which 256 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: I think is either in Annie's house or the house 257 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: that Annie's supposed to be babysitting in it's at that 258 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: house because they like stumble into that house and the 259 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: start humping each other with the door unlocked, and then 260 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: they get the call that no one is coming back 261 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: after all, and I think that they decide to stay 262 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: right yeah, and then they're just like, let's get drunk, 263 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: like sleeping the people's like. Then another one of my 264 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: favorite it reacts and the whole You know, when you 265 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: know your boyfriend shows up at your door dressed as 266 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: a ghost with a sheet with glasses on over top 267 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: of it, and once again you whip your tits out 268 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: and you're like, you're like, oh my god, you like 269 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: what you see? I love God, which we should say 270 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: that actress is also one one of my favorite movies, 271 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: Rock and Roll High School. Yeah, she's the lead in 272 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: that movie. She's also in a recent episode We did 273 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: carry a Girl. Yes she is, she's the Sportyes she 274 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: She wore her hat to the audition and they were like, no, 275 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: that's who your characters and she's like, oh funk, I 276 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: want to play someone else. It's a very productive couple 277 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: of years for this lady. Yeah. So, uh, Linda and 278 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: her boyfriend have sex and then they get murdered whenever 279 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: Michael Myers comes in. They had sex after all, exactly, yeah, 280 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: we'll talk about that. Um. And then so Laurie goes 281 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: to investigate because she's like, hey, my friends aren't where 282 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: there said they're going to be, and she finds their 283 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 1: dead bodies. Then Michael Myers pops in. He's like hey, 284 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: and he cuts her arm. He's literally like hey, hey, yeah, 285 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: she's like, oh hey. They scuffle, she hurts her legs. 286 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 1: She she gets away, runs back to the house that 287 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: she's babysitting at. She's screaming, somebody please help me. Where's 288 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: Dr Loomis and all this we don't know. Then Michael 289 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: Myers comes into the house. He's trying to get her. 290 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 1: She's fighting back. She stabs him with a knitting needle. 291 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: He collapses. He seems dead, but he's not. Come on, Laurie, 292 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: that's not going to kill someone probably, So then she 293 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: like barricades herself in the closet. He's breaking in. She 294 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 1: pokes him in the eye with a clothes hanger. He 295 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: drops his knife. She stabs him. He collapses again, seeming dead, 296 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: but he's not because then gets back up, and then 297 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: there's one final struggle and then Dr Loomis comes in 298 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,959 Speaker 1: shoots him. Michael Myers falls out the window and then 299 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: they're like, oh, we got him, but then when they 300 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 1: look outside, he's gone. And that's the end of the movie. 301 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: It is, so let's take a quick break and then 302 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: we'll come back to discuss, and we're back. So this 303 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: movie was co written and produced by a woman, Deborah Hill. 304 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: Um I believe John Carpenter's then girlfriend, later his wife, 305 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,120 Speaker 1: and then even after that his ex wife. But it's 306 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 1: my understanding that she wrote a lot of the dialogue 307 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 1: for the women, while Carpenter wrote most of the dialogue 308 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: for the men. In April you I think no more 309 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:56,959 Speaker 1: about this. So yeah, I believe that she was very 310 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: involved in the story structure. And if you watch the 311 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: movie very prominently, it says a Deborah Hill film, does 312 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: not say a John Carpenter film, because she was the producer. 313 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: So as the creative producer on this project, you know, 314 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 1: she was shepherding it all the way through. And it's 315 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 1: a weird thing to go into maybe like um freshman 316 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: year film classes or something where they're watching Halloween and 317 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 1: they talk about it as though it's a not Tours film, 318 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: and that's wonderful. And I love John Carpenter with all 319 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: of my heart. He's one of my favorite cranky assholes. 320 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: But this is a collaborative film, and so much of 321 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 1: his work was collaborative with Deborah Hill and with other 322 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: people as well. So it's it's a strange thing to 323 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: think that a woman was the driving force behind this 324 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: movie and helped him push it over the threshold. So 325 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: I hope people remember it as a Debora Hill film, 326 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: but they don't because because yeah, it's really interesting to 327 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 1: look at her New York Times obituary. She did die 328 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: very young. I think No. Five, yeah, and No. Five, 329 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 1: and she was only like fifty. So the headline of 330 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: her obituary says, you know, essentially the woman who helped 331 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: create Halloween. And it's real fucked up for me to 332 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 1: think that, like the story genesis actually might have been hers, 333 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: because if it says a Debris Hill film, she was 334 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: probably the one who was behind the right. Yeah, so yeah, 335 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 1: you know, she helped create it, you know, But that's 336 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: such a it's such a diminutive way of talking about 337 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: her role in this movie. And then the other John Carpenter, 338 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: But I guess. You know, it's one of those things 339 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: where headlines there are just like so and so's wife 340 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: does this, you know, Yeah, it's the his wife of 341 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: his wife. Yeah, it's that's really frustrating and disappoine I'm 342 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: saying she also was involved with The Fog, Escape from 343 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: New York and Escape from l A some of my 344 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 1: favorite films for sure. Well, poor went out for Deborah tonight. 345 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: That's so fucking frustrating. I love. One of my favorite 346 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: things is that she I hope that she came up 347 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: with the conkis to door storyline for the Fog. You 348 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: guys have ever seen that, It's just like I have 349 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:17,479 Speaker 1: ghost conkyst doors are just like sure invading a radio station, 350 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: so wonderful. And yeah, I I feel like a woman 351 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: being a driving force behind this project does show at 352 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 1: a lot of points because because I do have a 353 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: lot of these horror movies of this era conflated, I 354 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 1: assumed that this movie was going to be less good 355 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 1: to women that and that the female characters in the story, 356 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: I guess we're going to be less active than they 357 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: than they ended up being. Because I think that I 358 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: mean a lot of horror movies that came out like 359 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: when I was in high school. First of all, they 360 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 1: were remix of a lot of these, and they were worse, 361 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: where like female characters were even less active, and there 362 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 1: was even more pressure for them to be you know, 363 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: scantily clad. And I mean, I guess, you know, Annie, 364 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: there there are some clear moments, but I I don't know, 365 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: I was flord. Something happened in the nineties and early 366 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 1: aughts that turned me off of a lot of horror films. 367 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: And it was really nice when I could find some 368 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: that kind of bucked those trends, some international movies that 369 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 1: had come around around that time that you know, we're 370 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 1: just a little bit different, or some indies, you know, 371 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 1: like the movie May came out around that time, Lucky 372 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: McKee's movie, and you know that's one where like a 373 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 1: woman is very very present and wonderful and so good 374 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: Angela Bettison, Anna Faris or in that one. Interesting. Yeah, 375 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of it kind of just 376 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: turned into this like torture porn genre of you know, 377 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: just like brutality with like no nuance almost, but again 378 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: I don't know enough about it's true, So really it 379 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: was a driving force in that and it's a really 380 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 1: interesting thing. I did interview one of the directors of 381 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: the Saw franchise, um Darren Bousman, who it's a really 382 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: kind person and you know, he owes a lot of 383 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: his career to Saw, but you know he's got children 384 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: now and he's like, I would never direct one of 385 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: those movies if I were the person that I am now. 386 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not sure if I would. I'm not 387 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: comfortable with it. I'm not I don't want to put 388 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: that into the world, you know. So he's like a 389 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: weird thing that happened and in that time period. That's 390 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: so interesting that he went on record as well, well, 391 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 1: well link that to that interview too, because that is 392 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: I think kind of like cool of him to to 393 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: cop to as well. Interesting. You know, everyone outgrows some 394 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 1: of their their old desires, their old things that they 395 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: wanted to make, and you feel like it's childish and 396 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 1: you're you know, you're kind of caught up in like 397 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: this is the zeitgeist of what was going on in horror. 398 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: Then sure, kind of going off of that, that was 399 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: the reason I wasn't, I mean, part of the reason 400 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: I'm not that into horror movies because I you know, 401 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: wasn't allowed to watch any of them growing up. But 402 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 1: the reason I wasn't allowed to watch them wasn't because 403 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 1: of the fact that they were scary. It was because 404 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 1: of the torture are elements to it, where I remember 405 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: my mom was very turned off by the like sexualized 406 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: elements of the movies that we're coming out. Then I 407 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: think that the Final Destination franchise also kind of fell 408 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: into that category as it went on for me. I 409 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: like those movies. Yeah, jeff I mean Jeffrey Riddick, like 410 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: a gay black man, created one of the most successful 411 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: franchises in horror history. And I am a very big 412 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: fan of the first few Destinations, like really big fan 413 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: of them. I saw three first, and I have such 414 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 1: a the roller Coaster one. I think that the first one. 415 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: I I love three and our producer Sophie really was 416 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 1: what an iconic movie. I really loved the roller Coaster 417 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: one stuck with me for years, like that was so 418 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 1: the tanning bed, Yeah, they're electrocuted. Oh my god, it's horrible. 419 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: I mean we're not even talking about the lumber whatever 420 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 1: coming off of the back of the truck going through 421 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: to OK. We got to talk about Halloween. But but 422 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: all I have to say, you know, Halloween is marketably 423 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: different from for sure and the early two thousands. So 424 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: Halloween is not the first slasher movie. There's some kind 425 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: of debate as to what it is. But but Halloween 426 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: is credited as ushering in the popularity of the slasher 427 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: sub genre because this was a huge box office hit. 428 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: It had a low budget if I think around dollars, 429 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 1: and it grossed seventy million in the box office, you know, 430 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 1: super popular. Really helped usher in the slasher sub genre, 431 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 1: and it made Jamie Lee Curtis. That was like her 432 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 1: first Scream queen role. I don't think a lot of 433 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: people understand when they try to copy these kinds of movies. 434 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 1: They don't understand what the key to success was in 435 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 1: the first one. Like I do think that, you know, 436 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: when you're looking at Nightmare on Elm Street, I think 437 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 1: that that's a really great six us full kind of slasher, 438 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: you know, rip off in some ways of these slightly 439 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: earlier ones, because there is a very interesting and enigmatic killer, 440 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: you know, and it's very creative, and you know, you 441 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: look at this as a precursor to any other slasher 442 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: and you're like, wow, this is extremely creative. Um, and 443 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 1: now it's just been done so many times. Yeah. And 444 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: also I didn't know. I didn't know the origin story 445 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: of Michael Myers, but just the fact that he was 446 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: originally among memonies, not this like abstract monster that you 447 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 1: don't know where he came from. He literally came from 448 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: the same suburb where he's now. I don't know. That's 449 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: that makes it scarier, just like for sure. Yeah, so 450 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: I want to talk about the brutalization of women in 451 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 1: horror movies. So what are you talking about? I don't sorry, 452 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: I made a mistake to um, I'll just go home. 453 00:26:55,480 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: So horror as a genre, as with all genres, there 454 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:04,919 Speaker 1: are certain genre specific tropes that revolve around gender, and 455 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: many of those tropes mean a misguided or damaging portrayal 456 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 1: of women. But horror especially, I think it's worth talking 457 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: about because unlike say, action adventure, fantasy sci fi movies, 458 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: where women are generally sidelined and not allowed to participate 459 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 1: much in the story, horror movies, especially slashers and probably 460 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 1: other subgenres, generally allow women to be much more active 461 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: participants in the story. But this means that they are 462 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 1: also often very heavily brutalized. So I want to kind 463 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: of break down the people who get attacked in this 464 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: movie by gender. So the first thing we see is 465 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 1: the Myers teen girl at the very beginning being brutally stabbed. Look, yeah, 466 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: look at my tids, little brother. She's proud of them. 467 00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 1: She is like eight year old packing the clown mask shot. Yeah, 468 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: but I do have to say the clown masks shot 469 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: actually does obscure some of the tips. It's it's a 470 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: weird thing, like it's less lurid than it would be. 471 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: Just it also makes you think that he's much taller. Yeah. Anyways, right, 472 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 1: um So, then her boyfriend leaves before the stabbing happened, 473 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 1: so he escapes the brutality. There the nurse outside of 474 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: the hospital that she and Dr Lomas go too, she 475 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 1: gets attacked, not killed, but Michael Myers does kind of 476 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: like struggle with her. Meanwhile, Dr Loomis is not attacked, 477 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: so so far it's two women and no men. Like that. 478 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: That woman never shows up in the movie again because 479 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: she's like, no, fuck this, you guys do like I am, 480 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: like I'm getting transferred. This is fucking not okay. Good 481 00:28:54,480 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: for her up. Nurse Betty is who she became. I 482 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: would watch that TV show, watch that sitcom. Isn't there 483 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: a movie called Nurse Betty did? Yeah with them? She 484 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: has amnesia. She seems like a murder and then has 485 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:16,479 Speaker 1: amnesia about it. Literally this movie. Okay, okay, yeah, Nurse Betty. Okay. 486 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: Next thing we see is a dead man's body by 487 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: a red truck. He's already dead. There's no woman present, 488 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: so we don't see a man attacked, but we do 489 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: see his dead body. Next thing is Annie getting strangled 490 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: in the car and then her neck is slashed by 491 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: Michael Myers. Annie's boyfriend Paul, however, is not present, so 492 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: he is not attacked too bad. Maybe he had pants 493 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: kind of lens um. Then we see Linda get attacked 494 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: and strangled, and then her boyfriend Bob also gets strangled 495 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: and then stabbed, so finally there's a We see a 496 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: man crucified teen boy as well, and then at the 497 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: very end, Laurie is repeatedly attacked by Michael Myers, but 498 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: there's no sort of male counterpart there for him to 499 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: be attacked, so it's essentially five women we see attacked 500 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: in the movie and only one man we see being 501 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: brutalized April. This is not an unusual ratio, is it? Or? 502 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: Or is it? No? Now, I mean there's usually I 503 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: mean you might say it's like if there are seven people, 504 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: who's usually four women and three men. You know, there's 505 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: always at least one more woman who's who's separate, and 506 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: she's usually like the slut, you know, and it's great. 507 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: She's like the most charismatic character and everyone's like, oh, 508 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: she's definitely dying Paras Hulton and the House of Wax. 509 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah, is the one I got to 510 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: do for that. Yeah, let's I guess I have seen 511 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: a lot of these things. Um, yeah, I liked. I 512 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: did like the skanky ones of the early and mid auts. 513 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: Those are most of the ones that I saw. Five 514 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: right well to that point. Of the women who are 515 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: attacked and killed, certainly in this movie and in many, 516 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: if not most slasher movies, all those women are sexualized 517 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: in some way. Where the Meyers girl at the beginning 518 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: is seen making out with a boy and then presumably 519 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: they have sex, and then she is stabbed. Annie is 520 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: on her way to have sex with Paul. We see 521 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: her undressed because of the butter, she apparently spills all 522 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: over her clothes mad. She gets so mad about the 523 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: whole butter situation. I'm like, Okay, it seems like there's 524 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: a lot of metaphors in this movie, like what's the butter? 525 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: It's like I spilled loop all over myself? Oh no, 526 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: um and the and then Linda has sex with Bob 527 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: and then gets strangled to death. So because and we've 528 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: hinted at this before, we've talked about this before, I 529 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: think on the Friday the thirteenth episode, and it's worth 530 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: going into a lot more on this episode because Laurie 531 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 1: Strode is, you know, the virgin type. She ends up 532 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: being the final girl where while she is attacked by 533 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: the killer she survives. Well. I think there's a lot 534 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: of indicators attached to Laurie's character that, from my read 535 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: of it, went even beyond her being the virgin where 536 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: and it's kind of all the classic indicators. But you know, 537 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: at the beginning, we find out that she's very into 538 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: her studies and she like gives a funk that she 539 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: forgot her chem book and everyone else was like whatever, 540 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: where you know butter? And she instead of hanging out 541 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: with boys, she's doing a very maternal activity. She's taking 542 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: care of children. Uh, she is. She's she's knitting, you guys, 543 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: Like she actually brings her knitting materials with her her. 544 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: The two weapons she uses are a knitting needle and 545 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: a clothes hanger, so she's using I think we were 546 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: talking about this recently, like just domestic kind of feminine 547 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: weapons to attack this man, which I thought was kind 548 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 1: of like cool and an interesting I mean, she is 549 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: kind of she's resourceful, but it also does mean that, Yeah, 550 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: we were talking about on the Raiders of the Last 551 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: Dark episode where Mary and Raven would right. The one 552 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 1: weapon she uses is a frying pan to like hit 553 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: a guy over the head with, which is another domestic item. 554 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: It's an observation of something I think. I mean, there's 555 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: different ways to look at it where you know it 556 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 1: could be used to her advantage of Like, yes, she's resourceful, 557 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: she's using what's around um and she's not I guess 558 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: taking the mass like the masculine whatever phalic item to 559 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: turn it on a man. And you know she's using 560 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: the feminine objects that are around her. I don't, I 561 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: don't know, I can I can see that both ways, 562 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 1: but there's and then she's dressed differently than every other 563 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: woman in the movie too big baggy sweaters, really cool 564 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: penny loafers. Though I really like I'm like really into 565 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: her style. I like and he's my favorite, but I 566 00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: liked the look. That was a good look. They bought 567 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: her wardrobe at j C. Penny. Is some trivia that 568 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: I read does not surprise me. And I also am 569 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: a Penny kid. So all of my clothes from like 570 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:16,839 Speaker 1: ages I think five till eighteen were bought at j C. Penny. Yeah, 571 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 1: I think that we got my clothes at Marshals and 572 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,839 Speaker 1: they had bought it from j C. Penny. So it's 573 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: like last season J Cure. Sure, but you know it 574 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,399 Speaker 1: trickles down. Uh So. Kind of looking at this from 575 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 1: a screenwriting perspective, I do have a master's screen in 576 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: screenwriting from Boston University. I hate to bring it up, 577 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 1: but I think there is a very specific reason the 578 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 1: slasher movies like this have a lot of women in 579 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: them as the main characters. Because filmmakers of horror movies 580 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: are going to use whatever tools they can to heighten 581 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: and amplify the horror, and they think that it's scarier 582 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: when a woman gets attacked, because women are perceived as 583 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 1: being weaker by society, so brutalizing women has a greater 584 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 1: like emotional impact on the audience. Well, I also, I mean, 585 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,240 Speaker 1: I also think that it's just in the world more 586 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: likely that men are attacking women for reasons that are 587 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 1: deep seated women don't fully understand than than the reverse. Well, 588 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 1: there's also the I mean, this is a biblical story construction. 589 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: I think people forget that horror movies are actually drawn 590 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,839 Speaker 1: from very deep, long histories. Um. And so even if 591 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 1: you look at Night of the Hunter, for instance, that 592 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 1: is you know, really kind of beautiful fairy tale of 593 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 1: an early horror film, and it is also one where 594 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: women who feel sexual are the ones who are murdered. 595 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,359 Speaker 1: And it's also you know, a comment on what that 596 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,840 Speaker 1: is on the Killer and you know, talking about God 597 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,320 Speaker 1: talking to him and telling him to do these things. 598 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 1: And in the same way you can see a little 599 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 1: bit about Michael Meyer perhaps having someone kind of talking 600 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: to him and telling to him that this is a 601 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: moral thing and that morally these people are bad. And 602 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 1: so it is to me it's always been very very biblical, 603 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 1: And I was raised Roman Catholic and we love horror movies. 604 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: It is about us. It is about us. It's like 605 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 1: our story where we're like, oh, yeah, that's so fucked up, 606 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 1: let's watch this, you know, and um, you know, you 607 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: can see that that trajectory from the earliest of horror 608 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 1: films of morality and women and um sexuality and who 609 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: gets punished and who isn't sure you know, watching something 610 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,879 Speaker 1: like this where women are brutalized in some ways, it's 611 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 1: you know, reinforcing what I was taught as a child, 612 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 1: you know, about about that morality. And then also it 613 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:48,239 Speaker 1: is circumventing it because there there is one woman who survives, 614 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 1: you know, and there is you know, yeah, it's it's 615 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,240 Speaker 1: never like all good or all bad, you know. Sure, 616 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 1: a few different interpretations. I did some research afterwards just 617 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 1: to sure that I was that my reading of it 618 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,319 Speaker 1: was sort of tracking, because you know, the morality play 619 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 1: elements of it seemed to read very clearly, where it 620 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,760 Speaker 1: also didn't resonate with me on first viewing that there's 621 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,319 Speaker 1: an implication at least that the reason because I was like, 622 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 1: why does Michael Myers kill his sister? Like, but I 623 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: didn't figure that out the first time, and then went 624 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 1: back and watched that scene again to be like, did 625 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: I miss something? I think the implication and then I 626 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 1: sort of checked this against other stuff is that he's 627 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 1: upset that she is in you know, like engaging in 628 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,279 Speaker 1: sexual whatever instead of taking care of him, instead of 629 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 1: paying attention to him. And so it's his anger at 630 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 1: her sexuality versus taking care of him that motivates that killing, 631 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 1: which helps me out a lot with not justifying but 632 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,359 Speaker 1: what is motivating the other Like it makes him so 633 00:37:54,440 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 1: mad when teenage women are sexual because they're not babysitting him, right, 634 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,840 Speaker 1: But then I I was I think he's an in 635 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 1: cell and he's absolutely if only he just had that 636 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: terrifying internet community to go to at that time. And 637 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 1: then but then John Carpenter and it's again it's like 638 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 1: I wish I knew what Deborah Hill thought about this, 639 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 1: because Carpenter later went on the record is saying he 640 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: doesn't think Halloween is a morality play at all, and 641 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,760 Speaker 1: he says people who say that completely missed the point 642 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,360 Speaker 1: and then says quote the one okay, and his readom 643 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,439 Speaker 1: like did you see your own movie? He says, uh, 644 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,360 Speaker 1: quote the one girl who is the most sexually uptight, 645 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 1: just keeps stabbing this guy with a long knife. She's 646 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,240 Speaker 1: the most sexually frustrated. She's the one that's killed him, 647 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,319 Speaker 1: not because she's a virgin, but because of all that 648 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,879 Speaker 1: sexually repressed energy starts coming out. She uses all those 649 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:59,880 Speaker 1: phallic symbols on the guy. So that isn't that so too? Yeah? Also, 650 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: this happens a lot where critics of horror movies will 651 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 1: be like, the fallace is the knife and the thing, 652 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,279 Speaker 1: and I don't really get I mean, I get why 653 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,840 Speaker 1: this happens, but equating stabbing someone to death with a 654 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,840 Speaker 1: knife and equating that too, I think that's a giant 655 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: clip personally, Like, you're just killing someone with a gigantic 656 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:30,399 Speaker 1: Why are we equating penis vagina heteronormative penetrative sex? Why 657 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 1: does that get? I know why, But why does it 658 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,720 Speaker 1: get equated with stabbing someone and murdering someone to death? Oh? Boy? 659 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 1: I mean I mean that maybe it's too much. Yeah, 660 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 1: you know, it's just like, don't sexualize my knife. My 661 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,120 Speaker 1: knife is my knife just for murder, not don't gender 662 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,280 Speaker 1: my knife. Um, guns are pretty clear, those are pretty 663 00:39:51,280 --> 00:40:00,920 Speaker 1: obviously penises when they come and they kill had Um, 664 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,919 Speaker 1: we gotta take a quick break, but we'll come back 665 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: for more. And we're back. Can we talk a little 666 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:17,880 Speaker 1: bit about the Final Girl trope? Because okay, no, I 667 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:22,319 Speaker 1: mean you're this is, this is. We've only talked about 668 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,840 Speaker 1: the Final Girl trope once last year when we did Friday. 669 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 1: So we'll talk about what it is and then we're 670 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,920 Speaker 1: I'm very interested in what your read of it is 671 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,839 Speaker 1: because I'm sure there's a whole secret history we don't 672 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,959 Speaker 1: know about. Yeah. So um. It has become such an 673 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:44,759 Speaker 1: easily recognizable trope that other horror movies have been referencing 674 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 1: it for a couple of decades now, Like in Screaming 675 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 1: gets talked about a lot, it gets alluded to in 676 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,719 Speaker 1: Cabin in the Woods. There's even a movie called The 677 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 1: Final Girls that came out in two thousand fifteen, which 678 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 1: I did see in theaters brag um. But there's also 679 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 1: another movie called Just Final Girl came out like a 680 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 1: year after that. The trope is that the kind of virginal, 681 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:12,480 Speaker 1: studious good girl who is among the cast of peers 682 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 1: who are are much more sexual than she is. She's 683 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:20,000 Speaker 1: the one who gets away, She escapes and or defeats 684 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 1: the killer. Basically, she's the last survivor left alive after 685 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:28,080 Speaker 1: the killer has murdered everybody else live long enough to 686 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:33,719 Speaker 1: fuck baby? Can't I virgin? Right? So that's the thing 687 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:39,239 Speaker 1: you behind that right there? Are Yep, I've read feminist 688 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:46,080 Speaker 1: arguments for and against this trope and slasher movies in general. 689 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm curious to hear your take. It's something 690 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:52,840 Speaker 1: that I've had to talk about so much then, like, 691 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,680 Speaker 1: what have I not said before? Because if you're a 692 00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,839 Speaker 1: woman who is in horror, who likes horror, that's kind 693 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,040 Speaker 1: of the first thing that people wanted to talk about. Um. 694 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,719 Speaker 1: Annabella got herself into some trouble recently, director of a 695 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 1: movie called The Love which because she said that she 696 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 1: thinks that the Final Girls bullshit. UM, And it's Uh, 697 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,760 Speaker 1: it's one of those things where are women who are 698 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,160 Speaker 1: talking about the Final Girl and embracing the Final Girl. 699 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:22,880 Speaker 1: Are they participating in their own you know, patriarchal destruction 700 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,920 Speaker 1: or are they actually doing something that is feminist? And 701 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,480 Speaker 1: I don't think that there's any one answer to to that. Um. 702 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 1: The way that I think about it is, um, something 703 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 1: that women have not had that many movies that we 704 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,719 Speaker 1: get to see ourselves in right. And so one of 705 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,120 Speaker 1: the reasons why I was always gravitating towards horror was 706 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 1: because you actually saw a female character, at least one generally, 707 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,920 Speaker 1: who was very well developed. Um, and so it's like, okay, 708 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,200 Speaker 1: great and she you know, often very strong, that kind 709 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,960 Speaker 1: of thing. And in the same way that gay people 710 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,560 Speaker 1: and people of color have had to kind of reinterpret 711 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,520 Speaker 1: movies for their own use and their own instruction and 712 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,080 Speaker 1: their own kind of like piece of mind. There you go. 713 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,520 Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing. It's like, we find what 714 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,160 Speaker 1: we want in movies. And I think that it's completely 715 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,880 Speaker 1: okay to look at a movie like you know, Halloween 716 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,319 Speaker 1: and say, I idolize Jamie Lee Curtis's character in this 717 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,520 Speaker 1: Laurie Strode, because you know, she survived and she's a 718 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,319 Speaker 1: great character. She's got some texture and she's interesting. And 719 00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,920 Speaker 1: to say that that's something that you can exalt. And 720 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 1: I'm also okay with Annabeller saying that it's bullshit. You know. 721 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,880 Speaker 1: I think that I think that you you look for 722 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 1: things that you want to be in film, even if 723 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,480 Speaker 1: they're not quite there. Um. Some obviously are better than others. 724 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,000 Speaker 1: I do think that Halloween has some interesting characters who 725 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:43,200 Speaker 1: I love. I love sluts movies. I love them so much. 726 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:47,319 Speaker 1: They're so fund annie. And that's one of another thing 727 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,759 Speaker 1: where like in a horror movies, you only get to 728 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,080 Speaker 1: see sluts in horror movies like kind of like fully, 729 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,520 Speaker 1: kind of like self actualized, like this is who I am. 730 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,560 Speaker 1: Of course, they get murdered, and I try not to 731 00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,279 Speaker 1: think about that, but I love their characters so much 732 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,400 Speaker 1: and I love spending time with them. Um and so 733 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,600 Speaker 1: you just have kind of have to look past some 734 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,319 Speaker 1: other things and to enjoy what you want from it. 735 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:13,319 Speaker 1: I definitely agree that it's a matter of examining each 736 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:18,320 Speaker 1: individual movie and looking at how it decides to portray 737 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:22,080 Speaker 1: the female characters, how it kind of comes about the 738 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:26,200 Speaker 1: final girl scenario thing. It's not. I don't think the 739 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:30,320 Speaker 1: idea of the final Girl is inherently good or bad. 740 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,560 Speaker 1: I think it's just a matter of, Okay, how does 741 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,040 Speaker 1: this movie, how do you handle it, and how how 742 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,200 Speaker 1: do you interpret it as it plays out on screen? 743 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,760 Speaker 1: In each individual movie, there's a I mean and and 744 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,719 Speaker 1: I've like tempted to give Debra Hill most of the 745 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,440 Speaker 1: credit for the parts of these movies that of this 746 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:50,440 Speaker 1: movie specifically, that might kind of bug me, or I 747 00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,880 Speaker 1: might roll my eyes at another horror movies that I 748 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:57,000 Speaker 1: didn't in this particular one. But one of the reasons 749 00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,920 Speaker 1: this movie was like still kind of scary to me 750 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:04,479 Speaker 1: was it's like great use of voyeuristic shots because there's 751 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,080 Speaker 1: so I mean, like that's worth A lot of the 752 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,560 Speaker 1: horror comes from before people die. For minutes you're seeing 753 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,719 Speaker 1: you're in the predators mask, or you're right behind him 754 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:19,160 Speaker 1: and you're you're watching you know, you're watching Annie inexplicably 755 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,480 Speaker 1: strip of nude in someone else's kitchen and put on 756 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,520 Speaker 1: a dad's shirt or just stuff like that that plays 757 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,160 Speaker 1: so well, especially when I was younger and still living 758 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,760 Speaker 1: in the suburbs, of like the feeling of being watched 759 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:35,280 Speaker 1: by a masked man when you're just trying to do 760 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,120 Speaker 1: do your fucking thing, which I don't know, Like I 761 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,160 Speaker 1: definitely had some peeping toms when I was a kid, 762 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,319 Speaker 1: Like they were gross and my my stepdad had to 763 00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,320 Speaker 1: chase them away from the window, Like it was just weird. 764 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,839 Speaker 1: That's the kind of thing that's like extremely you know, 765 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,920 Speaker 1: resonant for a lot of suburban We had girls we 766 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:56,360 Speaker 1: had like a closed shade rule after like six pm, 767 00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:00,279 Speaker 1: all shades to be closed once like me and my 768 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,120 Speaker 1: cousin's hit Puberty. It was just like by towels over 769 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,560 Speaker 1: the just in case. You know, like well because you 770 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,759 Speaker 1: can see the shadows. That was an issue in my 771 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,560 Speaker 1: neighborhood where we were closing the shade but you could 772 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,200 Speaker 1: still see the silhouettes and the shadows, and that was 773 00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:19,080 Speaker 1: also not good. So the peepers was stay peeping in silhouette. 774 00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,719 Speaker 1: They would be old timey peeping and uh, and so 775 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,280 Speaker 1: you had to like go the next So it does resonate, 776 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,240 Speaker 1: it does, and you know, there's it's an interesting thing 777 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,319 Speaker 1: that they have scenes of Annie just doing laundry like 778 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,239 Speaker 1: that's just the and you're like, but you just know 779 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,680 Speaker 1: that he's out there somewhere when she couldn't watch whose 780 00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,680 Speaker 1: You're like, oh, she's dead, but then she's not. Then 781 00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:44,799 Speaker 1: the then then Lindsay the kid who for oh like 782 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,920 Speaker 1: a large portion of her time on screen is catatonic 783 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,719 Speaker 1: watching the thing, which that was really funny. That was 784 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,719 Speaker 1: something because we're recording an episode on Scream tomorrow and uh, 785 00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,759 Speaker 1: something that showed up in this movie. And then in 786 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,480 Speaker 1: Scream as well as like they're watching horror like this 787 00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,799 Speaker 1: is this horror movie takes place in a world where 788 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:08,000 Speaker 1: horror movies already exist, which to me seems like why 789 00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,279 Speaker 1: they kept cutting back to the thing and you know, 790 00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,399 Speaker 1: kind of referencing stuff like that, which I think does 791 00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,680 Speaker 1: something to like strengthen the characters within the world, because 792 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,840 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, it's it's so frustrating when you 793 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,680 Speaker 1: see a character go into the place they shouldn't be 794 00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:24,520 Speaker 1: going into, and it's like, have you ever seen a 795 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,600 Speaker 1: horror movie before? So a movie going out of its 796 00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,560 Speaker 1: way to be like, no, they've seen a horror movie before. 797 00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,279 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Yeah, I do find out fascinating. And 798 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,480 Speaker 1: there's definitely a lot more we can say about that 799 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:38,400 Speaker 1: when we talk about Scream. But um, one of the 800 00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:42,160 Speaker 1: things I wanted to point out about Laurie's Strode as 801 00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,760 Speaker 1: the you know, final girl, as the as the remaining 802 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,839 Speaker 1: survivor of this movie, is that we see her fight back. 803 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,040 Speaker 1: She as we talked about, uses a few different weapons. 804 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:58,080 Speaker 1: She is many toning up a fight, she's running away, 805 00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,920 Speaker 1: she's screaming for help. People are like bystandering the funk 806 00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,879 Speaker 1: out of that situation and ignoring her. There's a moment 807 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,440 Speaker 1: she gets Tommy's attention by throwing the plant up at 808 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,879 Speaker 1: his window, and she just like get the funk down, 809 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,840 Speaker 1: which is also a questionable decision, but whatever. She's like, 810 00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,120 Speaker 1: let's get into the house where there's children. Um. Yeah, 811 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,200 Speaker 1: but she does not think. She's not thinking. I mean 812 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,879 Speaker 1: she's there's like a fight or flight situation going on, 813 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,600 Speaker 1: and then it is I did find myself frustrated at times, 814 00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,680 Speaker 1: and maybe this is unfair of me because I have 815 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,480 Speaker 1: not been in a situation where I've been chased by 816 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,359 Speaker 1: a murderous, crazy person with a knife. You gotta try it, 817 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:41,640 Speaker 1: but yeah, you can pay to get that done. I'm 818 00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:46,439 Speaker 1: just like people love experiences. It's experienced. But I was like, 819 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,200 Speaker 1: she stabs the guy with a knitting needle and then 820 00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,560 Speaker 1: she just like collapses on the couch for a while. 821 00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,160 Speaker 1: The knife is right there, she drops it and it's 822 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,520 Speaker 1: just like, no, like kill him some more like make 823 00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,840 Speaker 1: sure he's dead. Uh. And then so I was like frustrated. 824 00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,320 Speaker 1: But so I was like if I was in her shoes, 825 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,759 Speaker 1: I would probably not be thinking clearly either. It's not 826 00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,800 Speaker 1: easy to kill a person, as it turns out movies 827 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,760 Speaker 1: kind of make it seem as though it is easy 828 00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,120 Speaker 1: to kill someone to like get even if someone's trying 829 00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,960 Speaker 1: to hurt you. Having to hurt someone else in that way, 830 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,120 Speaker 1: it's extremely difficult, for sure. I thought of that as well, 831 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:21,719 Speaker 1: But then I was like, oh, it's probably like a 832 00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,520 Speaker 1: character thing, like they wouldn't want the leading lady to 833 00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:29,520 Speaker 1: to kill someone too hard or like or go quote 834 00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:34,000 Speaker 1: unquote overboard with like you know, forties stab wounds. Right, 835 00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:36,520 Speaker 1: that would have ended it right there, which I think 836 00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:40,200 Speaker 1: might be because Magic, well, yeah, because he keeps coming 837 00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,399 Speaker 1: back for all the sequels, even apparently if you're mentally ill, 838 00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:49,640 Speaker 1: you also are, yes, which is just a whole other thing, right, 839 00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,120 Speaker 1: If only that'd be, I'd be well, I think that 840 00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,480 Speaker 1: is why the thing happens at the end where Dr 841 00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,160 Speaker 1: Loomis is the one who kind of swoops in, and 842 00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:05,280 Speaker 1: I would argue saves Lorie by shooting Michael Myers, And yeah, 843 00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,799 Speaker 1: so I would have rather that not have had to 844 00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,360 Speaker 1: happen where a man kind of comes in and saves 845 00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:16,040 Speaker 1: the woman. I think it could have easily been that Lori, 846 00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:22,000 Speaker 1: who would have been perfectly justified, and she she had 847 00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,120 Speaker 1: it but yeah, Dr Limas comes in, shoots him and 848 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,120 Speaker 1: then he falls out the window. Michael Myers disappears and 849 00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,440 Speaker 1: you know he's waiting for production to start on this 850 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,759 Speaker 1: sequel whatever. But um yeah, he zaps over to like 851 00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,080 Speaker 1: a meeting. He's like, sorry, I got a development meeting. Um, 852 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,040 Speaker 1: but we don't have to say that. Like, this is 853 00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,400 Speaker 1: kind of before we were getting like a lot of 854 00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:46,040 Speaker 1: horror movies that add sequels like in that period. So 855 00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,600 Speaker 1: it was a very brave thing of them to do narratively, 856 00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,799 Speaker 1: to be like, let's set up a sequel, because like, 857 00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:52,880 Speaker 1: was this going to be a sure hit? You know, 858 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,080 Speaker 1: they didn't know. So having that kind of unresolved thing 859 00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:57,640 Speaker 1: in the end of this film is also, I have 860 00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:02,440 Speaker 1: to say, very fucking weird. Yeah all right. Um. I 861 00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:07,680 Speaker 1: also wanted to talk about the whiteness of horror movies 862 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:13,640 Speaker 1: because maybe until very recently and even now, most slasher 863 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:18,280 Speaker 1: films have a cast that is all or predominantly white, 864 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,520 Speaker 1: as Jada Pinkett Smith's character in Scream Too, which I 865 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:27,280 Speaker 1: recently rewatched, as she says the horror genre is historical 866 00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:31,240 Speaker 1: for excluding the African American element, and she says about 867 00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,399 Speaker 1: the slasher movie she's about to see in theaters is 868 00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,920 Speaker 1: a dumbass white movie about some dumbass white girls getting 869 00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:42,719 Speaker 1: their white asses cut the funk up. So that that's 870 00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:46,160 Speaker 1: pretty well sum up what a lot of slasher movies are. Um, 871 00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,680 Speaker 1: if there are people of color in the cast of 872 00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,720 Speaker 1: a slasher movie, they are often the first to die, 873 00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:57,200 Speaker 1: and they almost never survive until the end. And I 874 00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:58,560 Speaker 1: was kind of I was trying to do some reading 875 00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,799 Speaker 1: up about this and was sort of like trying to 876 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,880 Speaker 1: make sense of why this is and and what are 877 00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,480 Speaker 1: the implications of this? And I think it's part of 878 00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:11,200 Speaker 1: it is that stories about rich tract of white women 879 00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:15,600 Speaker 1: are very sensationalized in the media, either in horror movies 880 00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,959 Speaker 1: or in the news. I mean, like think of John 881 00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,960 Speaker 1: Beny Ramsey and how we're still talking about that when 882 00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:26,520 Speaker 1: it's like her brother talking about Sorry, I mean, I 883 00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:30,000 Speaker 1: have seen every single everything pretty. And then when you 884 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,640 Speaker 1: think about like the most famous serial killers, they are 885 00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:41,160 Speaker 1: the ones who generally targeted young white women. We started 886 00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:45,560 Speaker 1: to keep poking holes, right, So sorry barbaratus is the 887 00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:50,640 Speaker 1: exception to every role the golden standard. But story, real 888 00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:54,360 Speaker 1: life stories about women of color being killed are largely 889 00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,520 Speaker 1: ignored by the media. They don't get nearly as much 890 00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:01,840 Speaker 1: press coverage. And I don't know if slasher movies excluding 891 00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:06,160 Speaker 1: people of color from their stories is active commentary on that. 892 00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,160 Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think white people just don't 893 00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,360 Speaker 1: think about it. Yeah, I mean, we're talking about slashers 894 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,480 Speaker 1: proliferating in the nineteen eighties when we also had um 895 00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:20,640 Speaker 1: John god sorry, what's his name, sixteen candles John Hughes. 896 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,480 Speaker 1: So you've got John Hughes on this kind of like 897 00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,080 Speaker 1: family friendly type of thing, and he's doing the same thing, 898 00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,520 Speaker 1: and slashers are doing the same thing. The nineteen eighties 899 00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,800 Speaker 1: was the time of like flipped up collar assholes just 900 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,680 Speaker 1: like you know heroes as heroes like you know, running wild, 901 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,480 Speaker 1: They're the center of the story, They're the center of everything. 902 00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,120 Speaker 1: Even though that was, you know, the nineteen eighties, if 903 00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,799 Speaker 1: you look at the economics of that time, that's that's 904 00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:47,360 Speaker 1: representative of a very very small small number of people. 905 00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:54,080 Speaker 1: Reagan era movies are so fucking weird, fucking Reagan dude. 906 00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:58,080 Speaker 1: Although I love Land of Confusion video that Genesis, it 907 00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:02,040 Speaker 1: was so good, I would also guess that it was 908 00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:05,719 Speaker 1: just literally lack of thought. The closest I could get 909 00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:11,480 Speaker 1: was there representing like upper middle suburbia which probably wasn't 910 00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:16,120 Speaker 1: as accessible to non white people in this time. But 911 00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,520 Speaker 1: there's never I mean, there's no excuse to I feel 912 00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:24,440 Speaker 1: like this is probably across all genres at this time. UM, April, 913 00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:28,880 Speaker 1: have you found that that has changed significantly over time 914 00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:34,120 Speaker 1: or has has there been any progress whatsoever. It's weird. 915 00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,200 Speaker 1: You're seeing a lot of films that are UM, a 916 00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:41,279 Speaker 1: lot of directors, people of color specifically, who are kind 917 00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,040 Speaker 1: of in development on features right now, people who have 918 00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,480 Speaker 1: had shorts horror shorts or sci fi shorts that are 919 00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,600 Speaker 1: screening at festivals right now. And you see that and 920 00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:53,640 Speaker 1: you're saying, oh, that's the next generation. Um. When Tales 921 00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:57,160 Speaker 1: from the Hood came out, Rusty Kundiff's anthology horror, that 922 00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,680 Speaker 1: was one of the few that kind of really spoke 923 00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,000 Speaker 1: to that. Then you've got also um lepricn in the Hood, 924 00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,840 Speaker 1: and then it's follow up also embraced you know, African 925 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,680 Speaker 1: American actors and you know, gave people their own slasher 926 00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:09,319 Speaker 1: And I have to say, Lepricon the Hood is one 927 00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,319 Speaker 1: of my favorite movies. I haven't seen. It is so 928 00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,719 Speaker 1: wonderful and there's actually some really interesting performances and those 929 00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,000 Speaker 1: are really amazing movies, but they're also quite rare. There's 930 00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:23,080 Speaker 1: a woman who runs a website actually called Grave Shift Sisters. 931 00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,080 Speaker 1: Graveyard Shift Sisters, that's what it is, and that's UM 932 00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,360 Speaker 1: specifically developed to talk about women of color in horror, 933 00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,840 Speaker 1: and so people are interested in that. Graveyard Shift Sisters 934 00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,080 Speaker 1: has some really interesting essays and kind of digs in 935 00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:38,520 Speaker 1: to find not just the women of color in features, 936 00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,200 Speaker 1: but in the shorts that you know, from those directors 937 00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,560 Speaker 1: who might go on to make these features. So it's 938 00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,280 Speaker 1: it's very fun to see that everyone checked that outs 939 00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,400 Speaker 1: so cool tweet out that link. That's awesome. When I 940 00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,400 Speaker 1: mean this is sort of casa because we're covering a 941 00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,520 Speaker 1: lot of movies this month that came out in the seventies. 942 00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,640 Speaker 1: We just did carry. Not only is it an all 943 00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:01,120 Speaker 1: white cast, but in terms of the women that we see, 944 00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:07,080 Speaker 1: there's no range of body types at which is you know, 945 00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,879 Speaker 1: almost goes without saying, but there it is. There. It is. Yes, 946 00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:16,960 Speaker 1: um also as per usual and extremely hetero movie, not 947 00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,920 Speaker 1: not a glimpse of queerness. Bapa Duke isn't anywhere to 948 00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,080 Speaker 1: be seen. Where's the Baba Duke in Halloween? He just 949 00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:27,319 Speaker 1: shows up. He's like, hey, Michael mis is like, that's 950 00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:31,600 Speaker 1: my line. Queerness in norror movies is also its own thing, 951 00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,160 Speaker 1: because you know, you do have some really wonderful kind 952 00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,880 Speaker 1: of lesbian vampire films that have been made, but then 953 00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,480 Speaker 1: you also have you know, like Buffalo Bill and Silence 954 00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,799 Speaker 1: and the Lambs, which is a construction that trans people 955 00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:46,120 Speaker 1: have had problems with, you know, for but also some 956 00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,959 Speaker 1: people have embraced him because of or her. I don't 957 00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:53,080 Speaker 1: I don't remember like what we would refer gender. Well, 958 00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,560 Speaker 1: that's because I think the movie misrepresents the trans experience 959 00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,040 Speaker 1: so much that it's hard to interpret what exactly they're 960 00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,799 Speaker 1: going for. Ye, And so yeah, there's you know, like 961 00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:06,440 Speaker 1: these lines between again, are you we rewriting it to 962 00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,040 Speaker 1: embrace this person because we don't see this person and 963 00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,759 Speaker 1: to kind of envelope them in our love and be like, oh, 964 00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,000 Speaker 1: I have empathy for you. I have sympathy for you 965 00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,240 Speaker 1: because I understand it was so difficult or something. So 966 00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:18,480 Speaker 1: you know, Buffalo Bill is a really we you know, 967 00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,360 Speaker 1: weird example to put into that, but you know, um, 968 00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,600 Speaker 1: there is a really great article that my friend Jordan's 969 00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:27,360 Speaker 1: Cruciola wrote for Vulture that is like fifty of the 970 00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,880 Speaker 1: best queer horror films, and I would highly suggest that 971 00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:34,960 Speaker 1: people check that out. Interesting, And you're you hit on 972 00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:39,040 Speaker 1: this point very briefly about Michael Myers and sort of 973 00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,720 Speaker 1: the way that horror movies deal with mental illnesses there 974 00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,040 Speaker 1: could you expand on that a little bit. I'm really 975 00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,360 Speaker 1: interested in that side of it, and it's, um, the 976 00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:52,440 Speaker 1: exploitation of mental illness in horror movies is something I've 977 00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,720 Speaker 1: thought about for a very long time. I am a 978 00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,800 Speaker 1: person who I would say is like mentally well now, 979 00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,280 Speaker 1: you know, but I've obviously, you know, being a woman, 980 00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:05,520 Speaker 1: have had my bouts with i'm sure my own mental illness. 981 00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,320 Speaker 1: So it's something that I even wrote an article about 982 00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:12,000 Speaker 1: this where I interviewed a few schizophrenic men about schizophrenia 983 00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:14,560 Speaker 1: portrayed in horror films to talk about how they get 984 00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:16,840 Speaker 1: that experience wrong or right. And it's something where we're 985 00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,080 Speaker 1: just trying to exploit what we think it is. You know, 986 00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,520 Speaker 1: there aren't many people who actually know what mental illnesses, 987 00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,000 Speaker 1: and I think that that's something that we're more careful 988 00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,440 Speaker 1: about now. But damn, we didn't fuck it up for 989 00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:30,400 Speaker 1: so many years, you know, And it's a it's a 990 00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:33,000 Speaker 1: I'm trying to even think about ones that get it right, 991 00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,240 Speaker 1: but there's always something that you can pick apart about it, 992 00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,400 Speaker 1: you know. Well, in this movie, it's um, I mean, 993 00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:43,400 Speaker 1: I am not a therapist or psychiatrist, so I can't 994 00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:49,960 Speaker 1: really properly diagnosed Michael Myers. Yes, but he has some 995 00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,640 Speaker 1: sort of some sort of psychosis is what he seems 996 00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:57,720 Speaker 1: to have, dissociative I I don't want to even pin 997 00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:01,800 Speaker 1: it to a specific mental illness, right. His doctor is like, nope, 998 00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,760 Speaker 1: just pure evil, and you're like, yeah, so you know, 999 00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:12,480 Speaker 1: if your doctor so it's pleasant. Right, So it's basically 1000 00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:16,680 Speaker 1: equating mental illness with evil. I mean, I think it's 1001 00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:22,800 Speaker 1: a pretty free which doesn't set a good precedent. I 1002 00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,120 Speaker 1: just remembered Black Swan, I think is one that actually 1003 00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:28,560 Speaker 1: does get a kind of mental illness corrected. So I 1004 00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:31,720 Speaker 1: need to rewatch that. Um. I think it's an interesting 1005 00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,800 Speaker 1: depiction that even most most ballerinas who suffered with issues, 1006 00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,040 Speaker 1: we're just like, oh no, no, he gets it. This 1007 00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:40,800 Speaker 1: is right. This is like it feels, you know, like 1008 00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,920 Speaker 1: you're just depressed and you're really love that movie. It's 1009 00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,280 Speaker 1: so good. I really really love that movie. But yeah, 1010 00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:52,000 Speaker 1: horror movies mishandle a lot of things a lot of 1011 00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:57,080 Speaker 1: the time, often specifically the portrayal of mental illness, the 1012 00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:01,360 Speaker 1: representation of the trans experience, and then it ends up 1013 01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:06,520 Speaker 1: perpetuating the stigma against mental illness and society it creates 1014 01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:09,760 Speaker 1: more transpanic things like that. So and that's why, I mean, 1015 01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:15,520 Speaker 1: I think that even with genre movies, it's useful because 1016 01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:19,720 Speaker 1: it's easier to spot this stuff because they're like campiness 1017 01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:22,120 Speaker 1: and being over the magnified, right, Like, I think this 1018 01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,800 Speaker 1: stuff is present in all movies, like any drama that 1019 01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,400 Speaker 1: came out, and I'm sure that these same elements are present, 1020 01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,920 Speaker 1: but because everything's turned up to an eleven, it's that 1021 01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,040 Speaker 1: much more clear that when you look at it, what 1022 01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,720 Speaker 1: is it forty years later now you're like, oh, this 1023 01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:39,360 Speaker 1: couldn't be more obvious, when at the time that I don't. 1024 01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,240 Speaker 1: I don't know, yeah, just like the values of the 1025 01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:44,240 Speaker 1: society are turned up to an eleven, and so I 1026 01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,280 Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, it's helpful to look at movies 1027 01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,680 Speaker 1: like this now into some degree because you don't have 1028 01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,480 Speaker 1: to dig that deep to find to find out what 1029 01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,600 Speaker 1: what is, what's going on. But there's also I mean, 1030 01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:56,480 Speaker 1: I'm actually I'm like looking at my phone trying to 1031 01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:59,280 Speaker 1: find this. But there's some listeners of my podcast who 1032 01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:03,120 Speaker 1: are making a trans vampire zombie movie, I think, and 1033 01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:05,120 Speaker 1: they were doing a go fund me and I can't 1034 01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,960 Speaker 1: find what it is. If I can, we would love 1035 01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,120 Speaker 1: to Yeah, we would love to see, but you share it. 1036 01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:12,280 Speaker 1: That's one of the things that I'm really excited about 1037 01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,240 Speaker 1: for horror and the futures. You know. I go to 1038 01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,440 Speaker 1: these film fests and I see like Quarterly Fargiat's Revenge 1039 01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,800 Speaker 1: movie and it is a rape prevenge movie that is 1040 01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,520 Speaker 1: done in a way that I've never seen before, and 1041 01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:26,040 Speaker 1: it is just like chills of you know, this woman 1042 01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:29,520 Speaker 1: destroying these people, and but there's also a motion to it. 1043 01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,360 Speaker 1: You know, there's like inner interiority, and there's character and 1044 01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,920 Speaker 1: there's you know, and I'm excited about you know, Julie 1045 01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:39,600 Speaker 1: Ducarnell's Raw, which is one of the best coming of 1046 01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,080 Speaker 1: age sexuality movies that I've seen, and it is a 1047 01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,560 Speaker 1: perfect movie. I will go on record as a perfect 1048 01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,480 Speaker 1: movie thirty years from now. You will ask me April, 1049 01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:49,520 Speaker 1: was this really a perfect movie? I'll say it is 1050 01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:52,160 Speaker 1: still a perfect movie. I guarantee you. It's one of 1051 01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:58,160 Speaker 1: Aristotle's picks too. Yeah, we keep getting a recommendations. Yeah. Um. 1052 01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:01,920 Speaker 1: Does anyone have any other final thought about Halloween as 1053 01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:05,880 Speaker 1: it pertains to the treatment of women and just speaking 1054 01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:10,360 Speaker 1: to the movie in general, still scary and weirdly as 1055 01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,400 Speaker 1: I think sort of genre films tend to be an 1056 01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:17,440 Speaker 1: education on the values of that time in a pretty 1057 01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:20,160 Speaker 1: tight hour and a half, which I always appreciate. Yeah, 1058 01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,600 Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh great, I love this. It's like 1059 01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:26,560 Speaker 1: under an I was like, we're out of here is great? Um. Yeah, 1060 01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:28,760 Speaker 1: And I just want to say, like, in keeping with 1061 01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:30,800 Speaker 1: something that we had brought up Earli, where there are 1062 01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,720 Speaker 1: more women who are, you know, killed in these movies. 1063 01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:35,880 Speaker 1: I do think that one of the reasons why is 1064 01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:39,160 Speaker 1: because women just make they actually make better characters. And 1065 01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:42,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, they are different, And there's there's something about 1066 01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,880 Speaker 1: like getting to know someone before they're murdered, because it 1067 01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,160 Speaker 1: makes you cringe. You're like, oh my god, oh my god. No. 1068 01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,640 Speaker 1: So there's something about like and I'm thinking about the 1069 01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:52,920 Speaker 1: screenplays that I've written, like the horror screenplays, and I 1070 01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,560 Speaker 1: do have more women in mine who get killed, but 1071 01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:57,920 Speaker 1: it's just because I have more women characters because I 1072 01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:01,200 Speaker 1: actually enjoy writing them more, and I think they reveal 1073 01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:04,120 Speaker 1: their emotions and theirselves so quickly on screen in a 1074 01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:07,080 Speaker 1: way that men it takes like much longer to get 1075 01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:10,520 Speaker 1: them to come out and years long. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 1076 01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:13,160 Speaker 1: It's like the economy of having women characters is also 1077 01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,120 Speaker 1: I think something that speaks to to horror like that 1078 01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:19,040 Speaker 1: people understand that they do make good characters. So for sure. Yeah, 1079 01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,480 Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons that I'm not super 1080 01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:26,800 Speaker 1: fond of the slasher sub genre is the very prominent 1081 01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:32,120 Speaker 1: brutalization of women. But it is a sub genre where 1082 01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:37,360 Speaker 1: there's mostly women present in the story and participating, and yes, 1083 01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:41,560 Speaker 1: some of them get brutally killed, and it's hard to watch, 1084 01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:46,640 Speaker 1: but we see a lot of granted it as mostly 1085 01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:52,520 Speaker 1: young white women who by Western beauty standards, are attractive, 1086 01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:57,680 Speaker 1: but it has produced some interesting characters. Um. I think 1087 01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:01,800 Speaker 1: there's a reason that the lore E Strode character keeps 1088 01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,600 Speaker 1: showing up in these movies and people are really excited 1089 01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,600 Speaker 1: about this, so shots out Jamie Lake Curtis, she just 1090 01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:10,600 Speaker 1: is she's great. Yeah, she's great. Big fan of her. 1091 01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:12,760 Speaker 1: I mean it's like she's got some pretty good jeans. 1092 01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:19,680 Speaker 1: Janet Lee True and um Curtis, Uh Curtis, thank you. 1093 01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:26,120 Speaker 1: Couldn't come by it more. Honestly loved Freaky Friday. Yes, 1094 01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:31,040 Speaker 1: her loved Friday. Freaky. If it paved the way for 1095 01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:33,960 Speaker 1: Freaky Friday to happen in two thousand and three, I 1096 01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,400 Speaker 1: have to support it. I can't a good conscience not 1097 01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:41,760 Speaker 1: But yeah, I still have mixed feelings about this genre. 1098 01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:45,640 Speaker 1: This movie I think is scary. It's well crafted, it's 1099 01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:49,880 Speaker 1: well shot, it's well acted. There's more nuance to it 1100 01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:53,520 Speaker 1: than a lot of slasher movies that showed up in 1101 01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:58,560 Speaker 1: its wake. But I'm rarely going to watch a slasher 1102 01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:03,760 Speaker 1: movie and feel empowered unless there was And maybe there 1103 01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:08,080 Speaker 1: is an example of this where the killer is a 1104 01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:11,160 Speaker 1: woman who kills a bunch of men. It's called the 1105 01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:14,880 Speaker 1: Witch who Came from the Sea, and it's a great 1106 01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:16,840 Speaker 1: I've got the Blue ray if you need to borrow it. Okay, 1107 01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:18,760 Speaker 1: I think it's worth buying the Blue Ray. It's also 1108 01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:21,240 Speaker 1: very hard to find, and it is a woman who 1109 01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:24,920 Speaker 1: cuts off dicks. Yes, so, and it's beautiful. It's a 1110 01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:30,520 Speaker 1: beautiful film. It's so gorgeous and trippy and wonderful. Nineteen seventies. 1111 01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:35,200 Speaker 1: Oh wa era, Yeah, that's amazing. Okay, so slad. There 1112 01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:39,800 Speaker 1: are slasher films that are easily read as feminist films. 1113 01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:45,600 Speaker 1: There are This one I would say is very feminist film. Yeah, 1114 01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:49,600 Speaker 1: there's there's some gray areas. Yes, mistakes were made, stakes 1115 01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:52,760 Speaker 1: were made. Oh, one last thing for anyone who's keeping 1116 01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:57,880 Speaker 1: track of what my name Caitlin Darante anagrams too relevant 1117 01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:02,200 Speaker 1: to this movie. Caitlin Durante and ams to Lorie can't 1118 01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:07,000 Speaker 1: die t N, as in Lorie can't die die misspelled, 1119 01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:09,480 Speaker 1: it's just d I without the e, and then t 1120 01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:13,880 Speaker 1: N obviously stands for tonight, So Lorie can't die tonight. Wow, 1121 01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:19,160 Speaker 1: wish't you you have such an anagrammable name? Thank you 1122 01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:22,680 Speaker 1: so much, thanks Mom and dad for I'm sure that's 1123 01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:25,320 Speaker 1: why they Yeah, they're like, uh, we could name her 1124 01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:31,000 Speaker 1: like you know, joey um? Shall we? Uh? Does this 1125 01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:39,440 Speaker 1: film pass the vectal test three one? Yes, especially at 1126 01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:42,520 Speaker 1: the beginning, Yes, a lot. While the women are still alive, 1127 01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:45,360 Speaker 1: other women are still alive. They're talking about a lot 1128 01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:48,160 Speaker 1: of books stuff. They're talking about a dance they're going 1129 01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:51,040 Speaker 1: to go to, their talking about how Lorie doesn't have 1130 01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:55,280 Speaker 1: anything to do that night and why it's like, oh, duh, 1131 01:06:55,840 --> 01:07:00,920 Speaker 1: you're a virgin. Therefore you are not busy that the 1132 01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:06,360 Speaker 1: line of latches, visions are just they're just waiting, they're 1133 01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:12,360 Speaker 1: hanging out. They're talking about weed, weed stuff. Yeah, so 1134 01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:15,280 Speaker 1: it was great and again shouts out to Debra Hill, 1135 01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:17,720 Speaker 1: because you know what chances are if it was just 1136 01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:20,280 Speaker 1: you can always tell, and we talked about this in 1137 01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:23,720 Speaker 1: the Carry episode two. You can always tell when a 1138 01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:25,919 Speaker 1: group of men are trying to write what they think 1139 01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:30,360 Speaker 1: teenage girls sound like, because it's insane, just like Uncanny Valley, 1140 01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:33,120 Speaker 1: full on polar express, like what are what has happening? 1141 01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:37,640 Speaker 1: It's just insane. So but but the dialegue between the 1142 01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:40,160 Speaker 1: women here, you know, it's like not they're not talking 1143 01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:43,040 Speaker 1: about heavy hitting stuff, but there you know, they're typical 1144 01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:47,640 Speaker 1: teenage girl talk tracked for me, Yeah, for sure. Shall 1145 01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:50,480 Speaker 1: we rate the movie on our nipple scale? Let's do it. 1146 01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:53,560 Speaker 1: We've got a nipple scale. It's zero to five nipples, 1147 01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:57,880 Speaker 1: where we rate based on its portrayal of women. I 1148 01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:00,640 Speaker 1: this is a tricky one for me, as I'm still 1149 01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:03,240 Speaker 1: not putting it up against other horror films, are just 1150 01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:06,560 Speaker 1: all films in general, because that's also a yeah. I 1151 01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:11,720 Speaker 1: don't know. I think you kind of have to compare 1152 01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:16,720 Speaker 1: it to other films of this specific genre, because if 1153 01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:19,679 Speaker 1: we're putting it up against all movies, where most movies 1154 01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:24,160 Speaker 1: don't brutally murder, you know, four different women, it's not 1155 01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:29,040 Speaker 1: fair to can't be genres to every single yeah yeah, 1156 01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:33,600 Speaker 1: so yeah, just putting it up against other slashers, but 1157 01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:36,599 Speaker 1: keeping in mind that it is a movie that exists 1158 01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:41,680 Speaker 1: within the whole, you know, umbrella of American film. I 1159 01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:45,880 Speaker 1: guess I'm gonna land on like a two and a half, 1160 01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:50,120 Speaker 1: which might seem low, it might seem high. I don't 1161 01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:56,479 Speaker 1: know what I feel, because we do see the Laurie 1162 01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:03,360 Speaker 1: Strode character is through resourcefulness she is able to escape 1163 01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,720 Speaker 1: from uh certain death. She does have to have a 1164 01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:08,639 Speaker 1: man kind of come in and save her at the end, 1165 01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:14,599 Speaker 1: but overall, the development of the characters is I would say, again, 1166 01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:18,160 Speaker 1: compared to other movies of this genre, I would say 1167 01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:22,120 Speaker 1: it's pretty strong. Although her close friend Annie is very 1168 01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:24,759 Speaker 1: mean to her a lot of the time, that seems 1169 01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:31,840 Speaker 1: realistic for summer here because like sisterly different times, like 1170 01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:34,400 Speaker 1: when they're talking about their plans for that night and 1171 01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:37,280 Speaker 1: he's like, oh good, I've got three choices. Watch the 1172 01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:40,800 Speaker 1: kids sleep, listen to Lynda, screw around, or talk to 1173 01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:42,800 Speaker 1: you Lori. And it's like, oh, I was talking to 1174 01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:47,040 Speaker 1: your good friend Lorie as unappealing as the other two options. 1175 01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:50,880 Speaker 1: So that's not nice. I mean, to be fair, Lorie. 1176 01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:54,560 Speaker 1: She literally cops her. She's like, I'm never doing anything, 1177 01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:58,400 Speaker 1: so like not your first choice for a hang the 1178 01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:00,679 Speaker 1: one who's like, yeah, no, I'm not up to anything 1179 01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:05,040 Speaker 1: at any time, Like you're not my first call. Because 1180 01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:09,200 Speaker 1: childhood there's only so many options. You're just the suburbs, 1181 01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:12,000 Speaker 1: you know. I was that boring friend to many where 1182 01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,080 Speaker 1: it's like, well she's you know, she's a she's a 1183 01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:17,280 Speaker 1: good last pick because she'll be around. Yeah, they're right, 1184 01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:19,519 Speaker 1: you guys want to come over and watch a movie. 1185 01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:22,680 Speaker 1: My mom's got the hot glue gone out, Like that's me. 1186 01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:27,840 Speaker 1: That was me, So yeah, I mean I think that 1187 01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:32,600 Speaker 1: because this movie, I would say, handles, you know, the 1188 01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:37,280 Speaker 1: nuance of of being a teen young woman in a 1189 01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:41,760 Speaker 1: slasher movie better than other movies of its genre, but 1190 01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:44,320 Speaker 1: also still requires that a bunch of women get killed 1191 01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:48,080 Speaker 1: because they wanted to have sex. So yeah, I'm gonna 1192 01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:49,840 Speaker 1: land right in the middle on a two and a half. 1193 01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:53,280 Speaker 1: I'll give two to Laurie Strode and I will give 1194 01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:58,760 Speaker 1: my half nip to the lack of understanding and the 1195 01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:05,920 Speaker 1: misrepresentation of mental illness in horror movies. Fundip. I'm a 1196 01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:08,679 Speaker 1: two for this one. Um not because I didn't enjoy 1197 01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:11,519 Speaker 1: the movie and I see a lot of value in it. 1198 01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:13,080 Speaker 1: And this is again, it's like, I would love to 1199 01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:15,479 Speaker 1: watch this movie in a group and you know all 1200 01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:18,040 Speaker 1: that stuff, but I would kind of argue that we 1201 01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:20,799 Speaker 1: actually don't know these women very well. I like them all, 1202 01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:25,960 Speaker 1: and I love Annie's character especially. I like Linda's character. 1203 01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:30,080 Speaker 1: I like that they are openly sexual. Obviously they're punished 1204 01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:32,400 Speaker 1: for it. That goes out saying for a lot of 1205 01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:34,960 Speaker 1: these movies. But I can't name a second thing about 1206 01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:39,280 Speaker 1: them really other than maybe they have a boyfriend, So 1207 01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:43,160 Speaker 1: I don't know that. Actually, Linda says totally a lot, 1208 01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:47,080 Speaker 1: so that's her thing. Two things seventeen years of Life 1209 01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:51,200 Speaker 1: has a boyfriend, says totally loves beer, loves drinking and driving. 1210 01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:55,360 Speaker 1: There's given the amount of time, because it is like 1211 01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:59,519 Speaker 1: impressive and cool how much screen time women take up 1212 01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:02,679 Speaker 1: in this movie. But given the amount of time they're 1213 01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:06,080 Speaker 1: especially like long scenes we have with these women, I 1214 01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:08,600 Speaker 1: do wish that there was a little bit more we 1215 01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:10,639 Speaker 1: knew about it, because it's not like they're not there enough. 1216 01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:13,040 Speaker 1: So I think, and and then I mean sort of 1217 01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:16,320 Speaker 1: all the stuff we hit already. That is also a 1218 01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:21,040 Speaker 1: criticism of the time in history, of the heteronormativity, of 1219 01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:25,400 Speaker 1: the all whiteness of sort of what is almost expected 1220 01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:29,280 Speaker 1: in in a movie of this time, and in the 1221 01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:33,439 Speaker 1: mental illness stigma. I think it is. It isn'teresting. I 1222 01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:38,439 Speaker 1: like the idea behind Michael Myers a lot where it's like, 1223 01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:42,599 Speaker 1: this is a villain who hates women, and that's I'm 1224 01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:45,320 Speaker 1: not saying that's good, but I am saying that there's 1225 01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:49,120 Speaker 1: a lot of heroes in movies who hate women. Um 1226 01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:53,360 Speaker 1: So in terms of like someone who's openly hateful of women, 1227 01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:58,080 Speaker 1: at least it's pretty well understood that he is bad. 1228 01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:02,680 Speaker 1: So thumbs up for that, Yeah, to to for me, 1229 01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:05,400 Speaker 1: and give one to Laurie Strode, and give one Annie. 1230 01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:08,240 Speaker 1: She she's just she's I want to be her friend. 1231 01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:10,640 Speaker 1: She's so cool. I don't think she would have hung 1232 01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:19,680 Speaker 1: out with me. She would have guarantee it. I'm what 1233 01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:22,280 Speaker 1: about you. I'm going to go three, just because of 1234 01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:24,920 Speaker 1: the kind of depth I have of knowledge of other 1235 01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:29,360 Speaker 1: slashers and the more lured way in which these murders 1236 01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:33,040 Speaker 1: are generally filmed. There's no, for instance, a knife kind 1237 01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:35,920 Speaker 1: of lingering on a woman's naked belly or something like that. 1238 01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:38,760 Speaker 1: There are there are different things that happen in slashers, 1239 01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:41,720 Speaker 1: and I would say, this is actually quite tame. You know. 1240 01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:43,760 Speaker 1: This is almost like the Hitchcock version of it, where 1241 01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:47,040 Speaker 1: you never see the stab kind of thing, and that's, um, 1242 01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:49,800 Speaker 1: that's just very different. I mean, I remember there are 1243 01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:51,439 Speaker 1: movie scripts that I was reading when I was in 1244 01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:54,599 Speaker 1: development horror films where it was just like a man 1245 01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:57,880 Speaker 1: rapes a woman as he pulls out her spine, you know, 1246 01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:01,200 Speaker 1: and we're looking at this and and those terms were 1247 01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:02,880 Speaker 1: like I would say, like, that's you know, like the 1248 01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:06,599 Speaker 1: real gross part, right, and then this is just it's 1249 01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:09,680 Speaker 1: it's not as bad filmically, you know, it's it's the 1250 01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:13,840 Speaker 1: cinematography is is much more tasteful, and the representation of 1251 01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:16,240 Speaker 1: that is much more tasteful if you can be tasteful 1252 01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:21,639 Speaker 1: about playing a woman. I don't know, but it's it's 1253 01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:25,120 Speaker 1: it's it's almost like not over the top, and that's 1254 01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:27,400 Speaker 1: something that I appreciate and I and I think that 1255 01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:29,960 Speaker 1: you know what you're talking about with the fear coming 1256 01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:34,240 Speaker 1: from the possibility of these murders is much more kind 1257 01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:38,000 Speaker 1: of tangible and interesting to me. So yeah, three nips 1258 01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:41,439 Speaker 1: for me? Would you like to give them too? I 1259 01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:44,120 Speaker 1: gotta say, just like given to my three girls, right, 1260 01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:47,799 Speaker 1: one for Linda, one for Annie, and one for Lorie. 1261 01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:56,240 Speaker 1: Friends forever, friends, forever until in the next dimension. Maybe. Yeah. Well, April, 1262 01:14:56,280 --> 01:15:00,280 Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here and educating us too, 1263 01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:03,360 Speaker 1: because we we truly haven't explored this genre very much 1264 01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:06,200 Speaker 1: on this show, So thank you so much. Thanks for 1265 01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:08,320 Speaker 1: having me. Guys, where can we Where can we find you? 1266 01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:10,599 Speaker 1: On on the webs? Well you can look for me 1267 01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:13,880 Speaker 1: my maximum fun show called Switchblade Sisters, and on Who 1268 01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:17,280 Speaker 1: Shot You Pod? And then um, you know, I write, 1269 01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:23,519 Speaker 1: I write everywhere, It's true, everywhere it's yes, read April's stuff. Yes, Well, 1270 01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:26,080 Speaker 1: we'll link to a lot of everything we discussed in 1271 01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:28,880 Speaker 1: the show. Today as well, and you can follow us 1272 01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:33,720 Speaker 1: at Bactel Cast on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook. You can subscribe 1273 01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:37,360 Speaker 1: to our patreon ak Matreon, which is five dollars a 1274 01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:40,040 Speaker 1: month and it gets you two bonus episodes every single month. 1275 01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:44,560 Speaker 1: Really good month. This month we've got Bob, who was 1276 01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:48,839 Speaker 1: noticeably absent from the film Halloween, and my new favorite critics, 1277 01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:52,320 Speaker 1: it's the new Alpha Bollina Is. Didn't see the Baba 1278 01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:54,800 Speaker 1: Duke in this. I think Alpha Billina would have. I 1279 01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:59,439 Speaker 1: actually he was Michael Myers. We don't know, we don't know, 1280 01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:07,800 Speaker 1: and early part I know, um so early role for him. 1281 01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:09,760 Speaker 1: You know, he's still scraping around. People don't want to 1282 01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:11,240 Speaker 1: see his face yet because it's just the world not 1283 01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:15,800 Speaker 1: ready right. So anyways, people you know Indiana Johnes is 1284 01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:17,760 Speaker 1: his first credited role, but it's just really the first 1285 01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:21,080 Speaker 1: time you see face yea, yeah, yeah, so yeah. 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