WEBVTT - L.A.B. Golf - Part 6: “The Navy Seal” - The Fire Pit w/ Matt Ginella 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:07.880 I graduated Seal Training or Hell Week with twenty guys 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:09.880 out of one hundred and thirty five that started our 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:10.600 buds class. 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:11.760 So we started one. 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:13.040 Hundred and thirty five, we got the Hell Week of 0:00:13.039 --> 0:00:15.120 forty three. We came out of Hell Week with twenty. 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:18.720 That requires an extreme amount of mental toughness. So if 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:21.960 I proved that I was extremely mentally tough and at 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:24.159 the same exact point in life could not throw a 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:26.840 baseball due to the yips, then the yips cannot be 0:00:26.920 --> 0:00:31.760 due to a lack of mental toughness. 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:40.440 Put another log on the fire nobody he is get 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:40.880 the time. 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:48.840 Welcome to the fire pit with Matt Chanella as. 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:51.879 Will Zalaturus used a lab to finish second at Riviera 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:55.040 and Phil Nicholson used one at Live Goolf's Jetta event 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:56.240 to finish T six. 0:00:56.680 --> 0:00:57.600 We're rolling right. 0:00:57.480 --> 0:00:59.920 Into part six of this series on the rise in 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:03.800 relevancy of lab golf. If you've been following along, you 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:06.440 know by now this is not just a story and 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:10.319 a series about putters and putting strokes. It's also a 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:16.560 story about ingenuity overcoming adversity, some risks which resulted in 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:23.440 rewards throw in the cultivation of relationships, serendipity, mental toughness, 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:28.440 timing technology, some sweat marketing with a sprinkle of stubbornness, 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:32.440 and you have the American Dream, several of them. 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:35.679 Actually, how many more episodes in this series? 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:36.080 You ask? 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:39.360 I'm not really sure yet, as many as it takes 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:41.880 to tell this story because for me, knowing where it 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:45.240 ends and the people who have offered their time, insights 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:47.520 and perspectives, it's all worth it. 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:49.280 I hope you feel the same. 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:53.279 In Part five we met Brett Rumford, the Australian short 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:56.680 game guru who pushed back on the original directed force 0:01:56.800 --> 0:02:01.280 technology and after a few passionate exchange with Sam Hahn 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:05.440 and lab leadership, Rummy is now all in on the 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:08.600 product process and the results. 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:11.440 When you get to that first green, it's just all 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:15.200 about locking into holding a part and just the more 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:18.120 things that you can eliminate in the thought process with 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:21.040 putting them, the better, you know, simplify it to just 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:24.400 hitting that the best put you can. And a classic 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:26.680 example was the story I told at the Cottaslow Open 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:29.160 where I've got a thirty footer. There's lots of stuff 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:32.120 that can happen in between the impact of that golfer 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:34.240 going in the hole. But at the end of the day, 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:35.760 you go, you just got to give up on that 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:38.600 and just put the best stroke you can on it, 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:41.280 and that was That's what was really evident. It was 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:43.840 just an amazing moment for me which I went, Okay, 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:48.560 I get it. I understand what Sam's on about, and 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:53.079 Bill and the technology what it's all about. So it 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:54.920 was just purely just emptied. 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:55.880 It was amazing. 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:58.240 It was quite don't want to use the word it 0:02:58.280 --> 0:02:59.080 was very spiritual. 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:01.120 And before how are we go any further? I just 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:03.280 want to say thank you to Dormy Workshop for their 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:07.720 sponsorship of this podcast. The Bishop Brothers are based in Halifax, 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:11.200 Nova Scotia. They're coming up on ten years of making 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:15.680 handmade leather goods such as custom headcovers and accessories. For 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:19.760 their complete collection of originals headcovers and classics, go to 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:23.119 Dormy Workshop dot com and use promo code fire Pit 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:27.840 fifteen for fifteen percent off your next purchase. So, as 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:31.320 I explained in Part one, the reason I started reporting 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:34.480 this story and series was a byproduct of Lucas Glover 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:38.640 going from having a severe case of the yips to 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:41.680 winning back to back PGA Tour events in August of 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:44.800 twenty twenty three. He had gone from the outhouse to 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:48.840 the penthouse of putting, and the transformation was seemingly overnight. 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:52.800 After a few phone calls, I confirmed that a lab 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:56.160 putter definitely had something to do with it, and after 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:59.600 initial interviews with Sam Han and Bill Pressey, I quickly 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:03.120 realized that lab golf was indeed a story I wanted 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:06.160 to tell, But I also found out there was more 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:09.880 to Glover's success than just the putter. Where we go 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:12.760 in the next few episodes is a better understanding of 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:16.839 Lucas Glover, his life and his career, a better understanding 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:19.680 of the yips, and we talked to Jason Kuhn, the 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:24.320 former Navy seal who helped Glover overcome every golfer's worst nightmare, 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:27.760 and we find out how and why Glover decided to 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:31.799 try a lab putter. We start with Sam Han, CEO 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:35.160 of lab Golf since twenty eighteen, and his thoughts on 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:36.840 Glover's back to back wins. 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:38.080 And again. 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:41.680 This interview with Han is in August of twenty twenty three, 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:44.479 only days after Glover's second win. 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:49.200 Crazy isn't it? Absolutely nuts? I mean there's nothing to say. 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:53.640 I mean, it's just there's nothing to say that hasn't 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:57.479 been said in the tens of thousands of words that 0:04:57.520 --> 0:04:59.360 have been written about him in the last couple of weeks, 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:04.200 and he deserves every one of them. I've I've seen 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:08.000 some remarkable turnarounds. I've never seen anything like that. I've 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:12.600 never seen anything like it, and it's so fucking validating. 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:16.000 And you know that all of this is kind of 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:18.240 happening when it is, you know, Adam's stat's going through 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:20.280 the roof this last you know, a couple of years 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:23.200 since he's been using it, and we've got a handful 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:24.640 of other guys out there that are doing really well. 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:26.000 We've had some wins. We had two wins on the 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:30.400 Live tour. We had a web Dot or a Cornberry 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:32.279 win this year as well from a guy from Grayson 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:34.480 Murray who's you know, same same kind of thing. I mean, 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:39.279 really really struggled on the greens. And then now Lucas, 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:42.919 and Lucas is uh. He's one of the few guys that, 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:44.440 you know, one of the few pros that I've I've 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:48.680 had very little interaction with this that that was born 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:51.640 entirely through Liam so Lucas ran into Liam at one 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:56.240 of the tour stops and you know, as the story 0:05:56.279 --> 0:05:57.880 goes that he's talked about it was just like, just 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:00.560 give me Adams putter and don't tell me a thing. 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:05.159 After playing professional baseball for seven years, Liam Bedford of Melbourne, 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:07.960 Australia got a college golf scholarship at what is now 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:12.960 Bushnell University in Eugene, Oregon. Their home course is Emerald Valley, 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:16.640 which is where the offices of Lab Golf are located. 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:20.280 His wife, who was getting her PhD at the University 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:23.760 of Oregon, is what inspired the full time move from 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:28.760 Australia to the United States. Like Sam Hahn, Bedford found 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:32.120 LAB putters by way of Bob Duncan, who taught out 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:33.320 of Emerald Valley. 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:37.159 About a month before. A month before I graduated, Me 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:38.800 and Sam would run into each other all the time 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:41.760 because he's a member out of Emerald, and about a 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:44.120 month before I graduated, he offered me a job to 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:47.560 work at LAB in customer service. At the time, we 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:50.120 were only I think I was like the eighth or 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:53.280 ninth employee at the time, and yeah, we only had 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:55.800 the directed force at that time. But my first introduction 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:59.160 was like, yeah, twenty twenty nineteen. I think it was 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:01.600 twenty nineteen with Bob Duncan on the putting Green in 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:02.279 Evermonald Valley. 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:05.400 Bedford worked his way up to run the tour department 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:08.920 and player development for lab Golf. As he's going from 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:12.080 PGA Tour putting Green to putting Green, I asked if 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:14.760 he would share an example of his sales pitch. 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:16.280 So I don't really have a pitch. 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:19.600 I mean, I'm pretty organic as far as like it's got, 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:22.000 I'll bring it up in a conversation or like I 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:23.880 want it. I don't want it to ever feel like 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:26.840 I'm making guys or doing something that they don't want 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:29.240 to do. But the thing that's pretty hard to go 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:31.560 past is the face stay square by itself. If you 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:34.000 keep the shaft on playing, the face will return square. 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:36.320 And if you can return the face square, the ball 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:38.240 the starting line is going to start where you're aiming it, 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:40.840 and it gives you the best chance to make the 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:43.160 parts and start the ball in your starting line. There's 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:45.680 a lot that goes into putting as far as green, reading, speed, 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:48.480 and line, and you've got to match all those three. 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:51.239 But if you can start the ball in your line 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:53.960 at a higher percentage of the time, you have to 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:56.640 have a better chance of making more parts. The biggest 0:07:56.640 --> 0:07:59.160 thing I emphasize is the face is staying square and 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:02.360 also because because of where it's balanced and where it's shafted, 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:07.000 we're shafting essentially very close to the center of mass. 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:10.360 So with that force, with the force coming through the 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:14.600 ball pretty much across the face, smash factor is the same. 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:17.520 So the sweet spot on that face, because of how 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:20.360 we balance it and how we shaft it, the sweet 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:24.400 spot is huge. Like I typically get guys to hit 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:27.360 three different putts. I hit a normal putt and then 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:30.920 get to hit one really heavy toe and really heavy 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:34.480 heel and watch the balls roll and all three are 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:39.240 almost identical. And that's when everybody's like, oh shit. 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:43.840 Given the looks of lab the sale of the product 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:48.640 has never been easy. But like Pressy Home and Hahn 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:52.600 before him, Liam Bedford leans into the unique look and 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:54.439 uses it to his advantage. 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:57.880 That's a part of the stick too, right, Like it's 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:00.960 got to be that ugly for a reason, Like we're 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:02.600 not just going to make a part of it looks 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:04.520 like a spaceship just to make something and look like 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:07.960 a spaceship, like it's got this function. There's function in there, 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:10.040 and so like it's pretty easy to explain. And then 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:13.280 especially most of the time, it's just like other reps 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:15.640 who are friends that are poking fun and give me 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:17.440 shit or players that have given me shit, and like 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:19.640 it's water off a ducts back. It's all part of it. 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:22.240 It's all fun. Like when when guys actually get to 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:24.120 roll it, like they'll make fun of the directed force 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:27.400 specifically and just like, oh man, that thing's huge and 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:29.559 that thing looks like a bottle opener, it's a branding iron. 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:32.240 But then then they actually hit puts with it and 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:34.760 they're like, oh shit, like this thing, this thing rolls 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:37.160 the hell out of it, and it's it's I typically 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:39.920 always try and take a directed force with me in 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:42.960 for most places I go because I want people to 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:44.400 do that. I want people to be like, why the 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:47.079 hell would you make that? And then then it's a 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:48.960 good opportunity to be like, well, let me show you 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:53.040 why is this fun? It's amazing, it's amazing, how cool 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:55.920 is this? Like we're a small company that three years ago. 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:59.360 Three years ago I felt guilty buying a stapler on 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:02.920 company money now. It's it's not that we're that we 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:05.319 that we can we've got all these sexcess cash now, 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:08.680 but like it's to see to see the things the 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:10.600 growth of the company. We're in a new building now, 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:13.160 we're on Like our building that we're at now is 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:17.280 at Emerald Valley's golf Course, which is a gorgeous championship 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:21.080 eighteen whole golf course where the Ducks play out of 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:25.240 our facilities there. We've got a bunch of guys that 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:27.920 that love golf, that are around golf. The atmospheres, the 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:31.280 culture and the company is great. It's just really cool. 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:33.800 We're just we're moving in the right direction. And not 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:36.480 only we're moving in the right direction of growth, the 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:39.319 culture is staying the same as well. And we've got 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:41.200 a really bunch of a really good bunch of guys. 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:43.480 And even though that's weird to say it's sixty people, 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:45.240 it still feels like a small little family. 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:48.400 Bedford doesn't know Bill Pressey very well, but he certainly 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:51.880 knows who he is. And here he reflects on Pressey's 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:53.120 ingenuity and impact. 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:56.920 What else can you say, but the the resilience is 0:10:56.920 --> 0:10:58.880 a great is a great word. He had an idea 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:01.960 and had a like brought it to life. It wasn't 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:05.760 just that he had an idea and like and talked 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:08.040 about it and did something. He he figured it out 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:11.800 like he went He went forward and tried and tested 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:15.040 and tried and tried and tried until it worked, until 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:16.840 he found and found out a way that he could 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:18.679 manufacture it so and then he could not just make one, 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:23.000 he could make multiple. And the concept is brilliant, Like 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:26.320 the whole concept is absolutely brilliant. Making something that's lying 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:28.160 or balanced that the puttest is going to try and 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:32.679 stay square. It's incredible, Like that says such a great 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:35.640 idea and such a great thing that we joke all 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:38.040 the time at work, like how does how does no? 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:39.080 How did nobody think of this? 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:43.040 Beforehand? From pressy, I had Bedford summarize sam Han's rule 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:44.320 and impact on the company. 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:47.000 Sam has got a brilliant brain. He just knows how 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:48.840 things are gonna work. I feel like he just he 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:51.320 knows something that we all done. Like we we all 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:53.280 there'll be things that happen and we're just like what 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:55.200 the hell? Sam, Like he's just putting us in a 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:57.640 huge pickle. And then it turns out that it was 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:02.520 the best decision that we've made. He is brilli He 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:04.880 he cared. But the best part, the best part about 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:09.600 Sam is Sam is he is the most caring, loving 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:14.360 boss that you could ask for. Like he genuinely cares 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:17.480 about every single person that is in that building and 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:20.480 wants everybody to live a happy and fulfilling life. And 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:22.960 that's probably part of the reason why we have been 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:25.400 successful over the last couple of years, because he cares 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:29.360 about people more than he cares about the business. But 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:31.760 because he cares about people, people care about the business. 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:34.679 What are some stories that you have, some personal stories 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:38.760 of like watching somebody have that aha moment and being like, Wow, 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:39.440 that's cool. 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:43.000 I mean, you can't go past Lucas right, Like Lucas 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:47.200 is unbelievable since he's put the putter in play. I 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:50.120 think he's had one week in negative shirts and putting 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:54.880 where that was the normal. His first six events for 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:57.640 that he's worst finished with a T six like it was. 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:03.600 It's insane like that, how one piece of equipment change 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:06.840 can just straight up change a guy's mentality and his 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:13.520 whole energy that his confidence level is truly it was remarkable. 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:16.319 I speak with his agent Mac quite a little bit. 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:16.679 And. 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:21.720 Just from his team side of things, like the amount 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.040 of confidence that they have in themselves now that they 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:28.400 can actually go win. I truly don't know if in 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:31.680 six months ago that like Lucas will finish well, but 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:34.520 he has to hit it five shots better than anybody 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:38.120 else to have a chance. But now like he's putter 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:41.439 is putter was what won in the back Nan at 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:42.000 the FedEx. 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:45.520 Meet Mac Barnhart of Rock Sports. I got to know 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:48.120 him in the nineteen nineties working at Sports Illustrated, whin 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:52.240 Mac was managing, among others, Davis Love. Many would say 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:55.320 it was Barnhardt who helped cultivate the Sea Island Mafia 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:58.800 of tour pros. Barnhart still lives in the Sea Island 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:01.840 area and runs Rock Sports, which is essentially a team 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:05.480 of people who manage the lives of professional golfers all 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:06.120 over the world. 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:09.640 Yeah. I came up under Benny Giles. Vinnie was probably 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:12.599 one of the best amateurs ever. And I don't know 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:14.720 if I'd got into this job. If you'd told me 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:18.640 my job was to go sell advertising on players, it 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:21.240 would have no meaning to me. But Minnie was a 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:23.960 you know, he was a player's manager, and that's how 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:26.280 he brought me into business. So I don't know if 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:28.560 you just said, hey, I'm going to get into this 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:31.920 and you've got to go sell hat deals, it would 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:35.840 have never occurred to me to do that. But to 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:39.880 have purpose in kind of their lives being part of 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:42.560 the WII and them is it's pretty exciting. It's as 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:43.360 good as it gets. 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:46.960 How many players would you say you've you know, you've 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:49.600 worked with so to speak, you know, over the thirty 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:51.640 one years, would you have any estimate? 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:57.880 Gosh, I don't know, probably forty, Probably yeah, forty or so. 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:00.160 And when did Lucas Glover come into your life? 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:01.800 Uh? 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:07.160 After he graduated Clemson in two thousand and one, played 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:10.760 and played in the Walker Cup and he signed with 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:13.280 us after that he turned pro. 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:18.360 And how what's your first recollection of Lucas Glover? Like, 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:20.760 what would you have summarized at that beginning? 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:25.160 Like had dinner with him in Greenville, South Carolina, and 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:29.120 the restaurant's still there. I can't remember the restaurant. I mean, 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:31.600 you know, you watch him play, you meet the parents, 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:35.800 you're around the coaches, you run his teammates, but just 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:39.560 he and I sitting in a restaurant, dinner's over, and 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:43.480 just I knew then, I'm like, you know this, this 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:47.960 guy's different. We you know, we became very close friends 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:50.960 real quick. He had the kind of same southern upbringing 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:53.880 I had. His dad played pro baseball or you know, 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:58.920 and my dad played pro baseball, and we just had 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:01.480 It wasn't like a lot of the other golfers that 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:07.240 I dealt with. He had a little different mode. 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:09.640 And meaning it was it was there was something that, 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:12.520 you know, a different meaning that there was a little 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:15.600 more grint, a little more grind or a little more Yeah. 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:20.600 Absolutely, Now he reminded me more of a baseball player mentality. 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:25.600 There wasn't much of fodder in his speaking of GoF 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:28.240 it was seatball, hit ball. He was not one of these. 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:30.640 He wasn't caught up in how good he looked on 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:32.720 the course. He wasn't caught up in how anything other 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:34.840 than playing golf. I mean, he was just that guy, 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:40.520 and you know, and very honest, and you know, shared 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:44.040 his thoughts really well, which is, you know, at twenty 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:46.640 one years old, not many people are developing that yet. 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:49.760 But he seemed to have his thoughts that way, right. 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:54.920 You're life coaching these guys from the beginning, like an understanding, 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:57.080 like just because you have a win doesn't mean you've 0:16:57.120 --> 0:16:59.320 got ten wins coming. You've got to like you've got 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:02.440 to bang can understand. It's it's a commitment to this 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:06.520 bigger thing. It's that's my that's my that's my sense. 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:09.520 I mean, I think over time it's changed a little bit, 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:11.600 but you know, this is a this is a really 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:15.080 crazy sport and that you you have coaches at high school, 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:17.280 you have coaches in college, and you get out and 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:19.760 you're the prior. You know, you're the sole propriority of 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:24.040 this business. And it's not like you have peers that 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:25.800 you know, it's not like you have teammates as a 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:28.480 baseball team does to come in and shake you loose 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:30.480 every once in a while. And if you come out 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:34.000 and your playing and you're a big enough deal, you've 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:35.520 got a lot of people telling you what you want 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:38.120 to hear at all times. And the guys get used 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:41.719 to that. They don't even understand someone going against you know, 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:44.840 you know about if you have a different idea. You 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:48.520 see these guys struggle, who do they turn to? You know, 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:51.399 who's who's organizing? Who you turn to I used to 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:53.920 use this Alex rod Reeves. You know, I don't know 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:55.560 how much money he made for the Yankees, but he 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:59.000 round the second. He didn't question, he slid, stood or 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:02.359 went home. And I think there's comfort in that. So 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:06.040 I think having a team around these players, that's not 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:08.520 just a team saying, hey, how much money can we make? 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:08.679 Ye? 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:12.400 I mean really, you know, if you play well, you'll 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:14.400 make money. If you don't play well, you won't make money. 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:17.080 It's kind of easy, whether off the course or on 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:22.359 the course. So if in the sense of how these 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:25.119 how you approach these players. Now, I've been doing it 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:28.840 for so long. I've seen careers starting, careers end, so 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:31.480 you kind of have a blueprint of what's going to happen. 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:33.320 They're going to come out and you've heard me say it. 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:37.920 We use this talent minus distractions equals performance. These kids 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:40.479 have no distractions coming out of college. They're just bass 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:43.240 to the wall. And then you know, things happen, and 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:46.000 distractions don't mean negative. They need great things. You win, 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:50.840 that's a distraction, get married, have kids. You know every 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:53.080 player is going to go through this. You're going to 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:56.480 go through ups and downs and when it's up, you've 0:18:56.480 --> 0:18:58.639 got everybody in the world, and when you're down, it 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:00.800 seemed I look around and you're seeing to be nobody. 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:05.119 There's nobody guiding the path back, I guess, And so 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:07.480 I don't know if it's like coaching. Sometimes it is 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:09.520 like coaching. Sometimes it's trying to help them because they 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:11.960 do have a life and its pretty much most of 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:14.280 these guys have done nothing but play golf their whole life. 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:17.720 That's it. And you know it's sad to me, but 0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:22.160 so they don't have a lot of you know, their 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:25.360 life is made, I mean making it in the golf 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:29.240 is started at such a young age. Now, they didn't 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:32.159 play other sports, they didn't do anything right. So I 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:34.520 guess like coaching comes in. But you know it's it's 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:37.359 managing whatever's thrown at you because you know it. We 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:39.760 know with Lucas, you know it can be as bad 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:41.120 as it can get, and it can be as good 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:43.000 as it can get. It doesn't take long. It changes 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:45.160 in a hurry, and you've got to shift gears. 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:48.320 Prior to August of twenty twenty three, Lucas Glover had 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:51.440 four PGA Tour wins, which included the two thousand and 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:54.720 nine US Open at beth Page Black. He has played 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:59.560 in two President's Cups, one Walker Cup, and two Palmer Cups. 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:02.760 Three of his wins and all of his team events 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:06.040 happened in the first ten years of his twenty year career. 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:10.240 What was Lucas's biggest highs that you've seen? What are 0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:14.240 what are some of the most amazing moments in Lucas's career. 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:17.280 I mean when he went Disney, his first win was 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:20.160 a big one. Uh. Obviously, when the US opened beth 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:25.360 Page it was monsters. I mean they all weren't just wins. 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:29.040 They were I mean, there were signs things happening that 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:31.479 you could start to see with Lucas. But you know, 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:34.919 I don't he was never in all these ups and downs. 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:38.399