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Speaker 1: That requires an extreme amount of mental toughness. So if

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Speaker 3: Put another log on the fire nobody he is get

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Speaker 3: the time.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the fire pit with Matt Chanella as.

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Speaker 4: Will Zalaturus used a lab to finish second at Riviera

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Speaker 4: and Phil Nicholson used one at Live Goolf's Jetta event

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Speaker 5: We're rolling right.

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Speaker 4: Into part six of this series on the rise in

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Speaker 4: relevancy of lab golf. If you've been following along, you

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Speaker 4: know by now this is not just a story and

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Speaker 4: story about ingenuity overcoming adversity, some risks which resulted in

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Speaker 4: rewards throw in the cultivation of relationships, serendipity, mental toughness,

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Speaker 4: timing technology, some sweat marketing with a sprinkle of stubbornness,

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Speaker 4: and you have the American Dream, several of them.

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Speaker 5: Actually, how many more episodes in this series?

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Speaker 2: You ask?

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Speaker 4: I'm not really sure yet, as many as it takes

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Speaker 4: to tell this story because for me, knowing where it

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Speaker 5: I hope you feel the same.

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Speaker 4: In Part five we met Brett Rumford, the Australian short

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Speaker 4: game guru who pushed back on the original directed force

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Speaker 4: technology and after a few passionate exchange with Sam Hahn

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Speaker 6: When you get to that first green, it's just all

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Speaker 6: example was the story I told at the Cottaslow Open

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Speaker 6: I get it. I understand what Sam's on about, and

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Speaker 6: Bill and the technology what it's all about. So it

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Speaker 6: It was quite don't want to use the word it

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Speaker 4: And before how are we go any further? I just

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Speaker 4: I explained in Part one, the reason I started reporting

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Speaker 4: this story and series was a byproduct of Lucas Glover

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Speaker 4: going from having a severe case of the yips to

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Speaker 4: After a few phone calls, I confirmed that a lab

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Speaker 7: Crazy isn't it? Absolutely nuts? I mean there's nothing to say.

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Speaker 4: After playing professional baseball for seven years, Liam Bedford of Melbourne,

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Speaker 8: About a month before. A month before I graduated, Me

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Speaker 4: Given the looks of lab the sale of the product

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Speaker 8: Sam has got a brilliant brain. He just knows how

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Speaker 8: I mean, you can't go past Lucas right, Like Lucas

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Speaker 4: Meet Mac Barnhart of Rock Sports. I got to know

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Speaker 5: How many players would you say you've you know, you've

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Speaker 5: And when did Lucas Glover come into your life?

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Speaker 2: After he graduated Clemson in two thousand and one, played

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Speaker 2: Like had dinner with him in Greenville, South Carolina, and

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Now he reminded me more of a baseball player mentality.

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Speaker 2: There wasn't much of fodder in his speaking of GoF

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Speaker 2: He wasn't caught up in how good he looked on

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Speaker 2: But he seemed to have his thoughts that way, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean really, you know, if you play well, you'll

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Speaker 2: It's kind of easy, whether off the course or on

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Speaker 2: We use this talent minus distractions equals performance. These kids

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Speaker 2: that's a distraction, get married, have kids. You know every

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's like coaching. Sometimes it is

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Speaker 4: Prior to August of twenty twenty three, Lucas Glover had

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Speaker 5: What was Lucas's biggest highs that you've seen? What are

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Speaker 2: I mean when he went Disney, his first win was

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Speaker 2: loved it. That's where he wanted to be. You know,

435
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 2: Lucas up until recently, super low scoring events were not

436
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 2: his forte. He you know, he just didn't shoot low enough.

437
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 2: But you put him on a golf course where par

438
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:45,119
Speaker 2: was really good, he'll whoop you. I mean, that's his stuff.

439
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:46,919
Speaker 2: And he's tough, you know, the tougher it is. It

440
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 2: seems like he can get a little tougher, but it, yeah,

441
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,120
Speaker 2: it was. That was a god send, you know, because

442
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,400
Speaker 2: he had played in that US Open before and when

443
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 2: he qualified the next time, he even mentioned to him

444
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 2: he goes. I like that place. I remember pretty distinctly.

445
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 2: I liked that place because it was tough. I mean,

446
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,199
Speaker 2: and that's what I think he comes out the best.

447
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 2: Is the tougher you make it the better. He is.

448
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 5: The low's mac when you I mean, I know you

449
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 5: say he doesn't he doesn't get in there, or he

450
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 5: doesn't even come. But I mean, you know we've there

451
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 5: have been moments in his life that he's probably leaned

452
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 5: on you more, or leaned on other people more. Are

453
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 5: there moments you know where you've you felt like, you know,

454
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 5: over these last you know, twenty two twenty three years,

455
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 5: you've had to like be a little more hands on

456
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 5: with his, with his with his you know, being a

457
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 5: friend more than anything.

458
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 2: Ye Hey, life happens. We've all been through it, right, Yeah,

459
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,360
Speaker 2: I mean those are I mean, it's nothing better than

460
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 2: to have someone lean on you. I mean that makes

461
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 2: you feel purposeful, right And Lucas, you know, Lucas's guy

462
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,919
Speaker 2: some really good friends. You know, it's not just me.

463
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 2: I always tell people the only eye in this thing

464
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 2: is Lucas, And there's a lot of wheeze. There's a

465
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 2: lot of people that you know that Lucas has got

466
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 2: really strong relationships with people and the friends around him,

467
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 2: the people what they'll do for him. You know, there's

468
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,479
Speaker 2: Michael Simms and there's a kid named David Griffiths. Nobody

469
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 2: remembers that from England and the messages that continually go

470
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 2: around between us, all of us. So Lucas has had

471
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 2: that strong friendship based because of who he is, right

472
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 2: and so Yeah, there's been incredible downtimes, but like I say,

473
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 2: it never felt I mean it was sometimes you were

474
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 2: frustrating that he was down, but it never felt never

475
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,959
Speaker 2: felt hopeless. There was never anything like that. So but

476
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 2: you kind of dig it when you know you I

477
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 2: know he's going to come back, you know, I know

478
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 2: he's going to be okay. But just to have you

479
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 2: know you're going to that is what the life is.

480
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 2: Love these guys when they go through these times, if

481
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 2: they don't have anybody to reach out to, and they

482
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 2: not really they don't really have a stable footing of

483
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 2: knowing who their base is. And Lucas has got a

484
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,439
Speaker 2: lot of bass. He's got a lot of guys that

485
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 2: are in his corner and that no matter what, regardless,

486
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 2: and I think that helps in these times.

487
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 4: Mac mentioned Michael Simms, one of the more thoughtful, kind

488
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,719
Speaker 4: and spiritual people I've met in my travels playing and

489
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 4: reporting on golf. Like our mutual friend John Ashworth, Simsy

490
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 4: is famous for his sloth like tempo, not only in

491
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 4: his golf swing but his life cadence. The pace of

492
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 4: his soul moves slowly, and that's seemingly because it's so

493
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 4: big a regular at goat Hill Park. Simms prefers to

494
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 4: play per Simmons, but back in two thousand and one

495
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 4: he was not only the winner of the North South

496
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 4: at Pinehurst, in which he beat Bryce Moulder in a

497
00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 4: thirty eight hole final, he was the quarter finalist at

498
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 4: the US Amateur at east Lake, which was won by

499
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:07,479
Speaker 4: Bubba Dickerson Worth noting his buddy Lucas Glover played that

500
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 4: year in the US Amateur and he was knocked out

501
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 4: in the first round of match play. Simms is now

502
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 4: a forty five year old Bermuda native who worked with

503
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 4: Bob Tosky and although he's no longer chasing it, he

504
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 4: has played in all five Butterfield Bermuda Championships. Sims is

505
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 4: currently working with Barnhardt at Rock Sports and in a pinch,

506
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 4: has caddied for Glover over the years.

507
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 5: How would you summarize your relationship with Lucas Glover.

508
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 11: He's one of my best best buds. We've known each

509
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 11: other for a long time. We've supported each other through

510
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 11: a lot of good times, hard times and everything in between.

511
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 5: Give us your perspective on kind of his career. His

512
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 5: secret sauce to being able to sort of have the

513
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 5: career that he's had.

514
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 11: I mean, it's grit, there's a lot of hard in it,

515
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 11: and he just never gives up. I mean, you've seen

516
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 11: what it's looked like in the last prior to these

517
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 11: last four months. I mean, you tell me that would

518
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 11: drive to anybody crazy. But he never stopped working at

519
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 11: it or trying to figure it out. You know, he

520
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 11: just never he never gives up.

521
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 2: That's him.

522
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 11: I mean, he's he's a gentleman at the same time,

523
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 11: you know, he's a fierce competitor, and it's it's his

524
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 11: heart that gets him through all this stuff. It's that

525
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 11: inner belief of I know I can do this. Yeah,

526
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 11: I mean, and then his career. I mean, what's happening

527
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 11: right now is is very special and it's unlocked a

528
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 11: lot of doors for him.

529
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 4: We're getting to what was special, but first It's January

530
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 4: twenty twenty three. Liam Bedford, whose Labs Tour rep is

531
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 4: out working to practice putting greens on the PGA Tour.

532
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 4: Mac Barnhardt and Michael Simms are riding sidecard to Lucas

533
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 4: Glover's twentieth year on the PGA Tour and where we're

534
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 4: at with his career is that he has become infamous

535
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 4: for his putting. He's not only on a long stretch

536
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 4: of poor putting stats in which he's back of the

537
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 4: pack in every category, it's also that he's looking bad

538
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 4: doing it. Whatever the phrase must see TV is any

539
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 4: and all clips of Glover with a putter was the

540
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 4: complete opposite of that. There wasn't a golfer on planet

541
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 4: Earth who didn't cringe at the sight of Lucas Glover

542
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 4: on a putting green. And yet he kept going. He

543
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 4: continued to compete, to cope and in some cases make

544
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 4: a cut and cash a check. It was nothing short

545
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 4: of remarkable. Here's Mac Barnhardt summarizing Glover's first few months

546
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 4: of twenty twenty three, but also the last few years

547
00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 4: in general.

548
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 2: I think he's one of the top up ten ball

549
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 2: strikers that's been measured since they came up with shotlingks.

550
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 2: So you can imagine to be able to do that

551
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 2: much of the game and then a two foot pot

552
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 2: drive you and you know go into a hysteria. Yeah,

553
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I mean I've probably have lost more

554
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 2: players through the yips than I have through injury. They'll

555
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 2: never admit it. Because you just don't say it. You

556
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 2: just don't say yips, you know, crazy, because they would

557
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: rather say, you know, it's a wrist injury or a

558
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: back injury, but it's the yips and it just happens.

559
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: And that's one of the big things in this I

560
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 2: hope that maybe we can get back by the fact

561
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 2: that if you have the yips, it's not a mental weakness.

562
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: It's not a mental you know, it's not like you

563
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 2: just can't pull it off, can't handle the pressure, because

564
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 2: that's not what it is. But yeah, it's it's frustrating

565
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 2: to watch a guy that can do the tough elements

566
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 2: so well and the things you would think were easy.

567
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 2: But the thing about Lucas was it he never was

568
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: like he didn't quit working and he didn't make an

569
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 2: excuse about it. He would tell me, you know, my

570
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 2: hands are numb, I can't fill my hands. He goes,

571
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: that's you know, that's not you know, that's not being nervous.

572
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 2: Nervous is not that right. You don't win the US

573
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: open being nervous. So it's just been you know, to

574
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 2: watch him go through what I mean, we did anything,

575
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 2: we try anything, We putty with our eyes closed. We've

576
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 2: done he put it with his eyes closed. He's practiced,

577
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 2: We've we've searched out every possible help with this that

578
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 2: we could, and we've kind of found it. It looks

579
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 2: like but there's no way to describe the people to

580
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 2: understand that you can do something and then your body

581
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 2: not allow you to do it. And that's that's hard

582
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: to watch. I mean, I mean that's hard to watch.

583
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 4: This is the all by Lanny Watkins and wit Watson.

584
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 4: When Glover missed a short one trying to break sixty.

585
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 2: This party goes way back and he completely decent. It's

586
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 2: like he he almost missed that. Wow, is that I've

587
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 2: never seen anything like that?

588
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 4: Wit Watson said what most people were thinking when Glover

589
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 4: flashed an example of the yips. I have never seen

590
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 4: anything like that. Going back to mac Barnhart and the

591
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 4: idea that Glover was trying anything and that they searched

592
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 4: out all they could find, and that he seemed to

593
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 4: think they've found the solution.

594
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 5: What'd you find?

595
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 2: I found a guy that a former Navy seal sniper.

596
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: I found heard about him a couple of years ago

597
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 2: when the Braves won the UH. When the Braves won

598
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 2: the World Series. There's a guy named Tyler Mattson that pitched,

599
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 2: and I'll follow the Braves and this guy I was

600
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 2: out of baseball from with the throwing yips, and here

601
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 2: he is striking out people and you know, the highest

602
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: pressure situations you could ever do. And I'm like, this

603
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 2: isn't possible. What's this guy taken? And knowing some of

604
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 2: the Braves people, and I finally figured out there's this

605
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 2: former Navy seal that used to play baseball. So I

606
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 2: found him and called him and said, hey man, you know,

607
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 2: he goes, I don't know golf, and I was like, well,

608
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 2: I've got a kid with the yips, and he goes,

609
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 2: it's okay. He just was a matter of fact. He

610
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 2: said to me, that's okay. So I talked to him

611
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 2: for a long long time, and I went to Lucas

612
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 2: and said, hey, I got somebody, and he goes, no,

613
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 2: I'm good, I'm good. I got I've got it. So

614
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 2: it took a year and a half, I think after

615
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 2: I started talking to the seal to convince Lucas to

616
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 2: talk to him. I think he started talking to him

617
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 2: in May of this year. But I got such a

618
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 2: comfort it's like my heart stopped almost when the way Jason,

619
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: Jason Kuhne said to me, he goes, No, it's okay,

620
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 2: it's not a big deal because man, you go to

621
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 2: any other person and say the yips, They're like, whoa,

622
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: I don't think it's soppable. I don't you know Ian Baker,

623
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 2: Finn and people have been run out of the game

624
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 2: with it. But yeah, that's what we've That was the

625
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 2: start of it. It wasn't just that, but that was

626
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 2: the start of it.

627
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 5: More in Jason, Hey, good morning, how are you. I'm

628
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 5: doing great, how are you good?

629
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 2: Good?

630
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 12: Give me one second here, can you kind of just

631
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 12: essentially introduce yourself, you know, I'm Jason Kuhn, you know,

632
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 12: and then just give me like a line or two

633
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 12: or a bio of just a short bio in terms

634
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 12: of who you are and how you kind of fit

635
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 12: into this narrative on Lucas and you know where he

636
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 12: is now and kind of his life and mind.

637
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely so. I'm Jason Kuhn. I'm a performance coach.

638
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: I've been working in human performance and team building for

639
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: almost a decade. In August will be ten years since

640
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: I started Stonewall Solutions which is the leadership development, performance training,

641
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: and team building company that I run. As I was

642
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: doing that, I was working with a lot of sports

643
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: teams corporate groups. And as I would work with sports teams,

644
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: I would meet players tell them my story. I had

645
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: the yips, very a really intense case of it in

646
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: two thousand and one two thousand and two in college.

647
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: It ended my career at through six wild pitches in

648
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: an inning. So as I travel around tell my story

649
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: work with players, people would come up to me afterwards

650
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,919
Speaker 1: sometimes and tell me, Hey, I'm struggling with the same thing,

651
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: mostly in baseball, and I started working with players just

652
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: kind of on a pro bono friendly manner, offering advice

653
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: as some things that I had done to help defeat

654
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: it myself. I never played again competitively, but I taught

655
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: myself over time how to throw again. So eventually I

656
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: met Tyler Matzik. He was out of baseball for five years.

657
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,760
Speaker 1: He was a former first rounder out of Mission Viejo,

658
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: and we worked together. I developed a system called ironing

659
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: it Out. Our theories and thoughts on the yips were

660
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: very much in alignment, and we developed a lot of

661
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: it together. As we worked together. Working through this we

662
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: also worked on the traditional mindset stuff that I teach.

663
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: He got back to the big leagues, won the World Series.

664
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 2: With the Braves in twenty twenty one.

665
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: So it led it to golf. Was Mac Barnhardt with

666
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: Rock Sports Group introduced me a couple of players playing

667
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: on the corn Ferry Tour and I worked with them

668
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: through the yips. It was successful, and then from there

669
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: that led to Lucas Glover and him and I worked

670
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: together starting in last April, and then the results that

671
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 1: you know he's had have been in the media things

672
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: like that. So some of that has been credited to

673
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: the training of you know, him and I. He did

674
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: it all, not me. I can't do what he does,

675
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: but I helped him, you know, I worked as an

676
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: asset to help him solve that specific problem. So prior

677
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: to all of that, I was a college baseball player

678
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: and a Navy seal and that's where I learned. I

679
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: put all of this together through experienced base lessons, and

680
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: I wanted to help provide something for athletes, competitive athletes,

681
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 1: primarily pro athletes, that was practical and effective. I think

682
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: that what sports psychology offers them often and the mental

683
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: skills coaches hired by the team are well intended people

684
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: who provide value, but I don't think it's on a

685
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: level that matches everything else that is offered to them

686
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: in terms of strength and conditioning coaches, pitching coaches, wing coaches, whatever,

687
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: And a lot of it is somewhat ineffective, you know,

688
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: it's just not practically useful.

689
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 5: Do you remember did Mac reach out to you? Was

690
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 5: it an email? Was it a phone call? How did

691
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 5: you guys actually get connected?

692
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: I believe Mac reached out to me through a DM

693
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: of some sort, whether it was an email or perhaps

694
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: on Twitter or Instagram. I want to say it was Twitter,

695
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: but I can't remember quite for sure. But yes, he

696
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: had been researching solutions to the YIPS, and you know,

697
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 1: the traditional methods are all out there. If you google yips,

698
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: they'll be all sorts of things that pop up, and

699
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: they'll promise you the world, charge you a ton of money,

700
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,760
Speaker 1: and they have no real credible results or maybe breakthrough

701
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 1: case out of tons of people that they've worked through.

702
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 1: So the percentage of success is very, very low. So

703
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: he started looking up some other ways I believe, I

704
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: don't want to put words in his mouth, and he

705
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: came across me and asked me if I thought it

706
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 1: would translate into golf, And I believe one hundred percent

707
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: that it would because it's the same problem, just in

708
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: a different action.

709
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of people involved this, so

710
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 2: it's not just me, but you know, it's Michael Simms

711
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 2: and you know Kobe tu As trainer, and Jason Bell,

712
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 2: you know, is instructor. There's a lot of people talking

713
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 2: behind the scenes like what can we do? You know

714
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,720
Speaker 2: what this is happening? And it was a ball change

715
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 2: and then it was you know, Tommy Lamb, who's his caddie,

716
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 2: who hung with him, like nobody's business. But there was

717
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 2: a lot of people working behind the scenes to get

718
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 2: kind of figure this thing out. But I knew the

719
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 2: minute I taught the Jason that I had, I was like, Wow,

720
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: this might work because this guy didn't even flinch. He'd

721
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 2: said he had to throw in yips. He's like, he's

722
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 2: I got it, don't worry about it. And he goes

723
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 2: and he tells I'll never forget him, saying, hey, listen,

724
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 2: this is not an ongoing thing. You go through my

725
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 2: You'll go through my program and you either get rid

726
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 2: of them or not, and I got so much confidence

727
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 2: in that and knowing Lucas and and knowing after I

728
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 2: think three sessions with this guy, the confidence change I

729
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 2: saw Lucas, I just saw it was like a different

730
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 2: sounding person, and it kind of I mean it was

731
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 2: that was when I say I found I mean, it's whatever,

732
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 2: but it's yeah, it's uh, it's been a search for

733
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 2: a long long time.

734
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 5: You know in golf. That's that the YIPS is such

735
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 5: like it's like Voldemort and you know, Harry Potter, it's

736
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 5: it's just the name you don't speak of, but that

737
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,720
Speaker 5: you were like yips. I got Mac, I got this.

738
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely well. I've worked with several amateur baseball players

739
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: at that point, probably thirty or forty, and had been

740
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: successful with all of them, and so I felt very

741
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: confident in my ability to solve it. I understand what

742
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: the YIPS is, I know how to define it. I

743
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: understand the solutions to defeat it, and every time I

744
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: work with a player, it gets better and better as

745
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: we refine that process. And I think it's funny that

746
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: you referred to Valdemore in Harry Potter, because I actually

747
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: use that reference in one of the podcasts I was

748
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: on before too, and so has Matsik in some of

749
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: the media interviews that he's been in when he speaks

750
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: about the YIPS. But one of the things that we

751
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: have to do is break down the barriers of the

752
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: stigma that is associated with the YIPS, because that's part

753
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 1: of what's causing the problem. People aren't allowed to talk

754
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: about it, and then it starts to manifest and it

755
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: gets worse and worse, and then they're in such a hole,

756
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: and the deeper it's set in, the harder it is

757
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 1: to defeat.

758
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 5: And I think that people don't.

759
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: Want to talk about the YIPS because they don't understand it,

760
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: and naturally, as human beings, we're afraid of things that

761
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: we don't understand. But when you watch a guy who's

762
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 1: getting paid millions of dollars to throw a ball or

763
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: strike it with a club, and they've been doing it

764
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: their whole entire life, but then they go out and

765
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 1: they go out and all of a sudden throw it

766
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: into their toes or fifteen feet over their throwing partner's

767
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: head when they're normally just nails. You know that's not

768
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: because they don't understand how to throw the ball. Or

769
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,720
Speaker 1: understand where a release points should be, or completely forgot

770
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 1: how to mechanically deliver or strike a ball right, something

771
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: else is going on.

772
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 2: And one of the.

773
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: Things that I did was when I got out of

774
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: the Seal teams. You know, when I met with a psychologist,

775
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 1: I felt like he was telling me what was wrong

776
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: with me and then getting frustrated when the methods he

777
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 1: would give me would not be effective, rather than listening

778
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: to me describe what I was experiencing and helped me

779
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: develop a solution. So when I got out of the

780
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: Seal teams, you know, I had some confidence and maturity

781
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: and a lot of experiences. And there's a very similar

782
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: thing that happens when we shoot a gun. And I

783
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 1: finally started asking myself the right question. I just tracked

784
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: my arm until I'm going to track my arm until

785
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: it feels something feels different. And I stopped right about here,

786
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, something's happening right here. What

787
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: has happened happening? Why is it happening, What's causing it?

788
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: How do I override it? How do I stop that

789
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: from happening? How do I get the dexterity and fluidity back?

790
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: And I just started reverse engineering and peeling back the

791
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: layers and developing this solution. But the number one thing

792
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 1: is they're defining it wrong, so they're treating the symptom

793
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: not the cause. I'm generalizing sports psychology. And then for

794
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: those that do define it well, the methods that come

795
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: into place are revisiting trauma, you know, visualization and you know,

796
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 1: some breath work and stuff like that, and those can

797
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: be a part of the solution. Perhaps they don't even

798
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: have to be. But to consider those to be a

799
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: comprehensive solution that's going to help the player be able

800
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: to overcome the problem and play competitively with cameras on

801
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 1: and tons of people watching and things like that is

802
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: ridiculous in my opinion.

803
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 5: What's a session entail is that a phone call.

804
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 2: Is that it's a zoom call. It's a zoom call

805
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 2: like this. I don't think Jason. I just met Jason

806
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 2: the other day for the first time, and manyum two years,

807
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: I've talked to him a bunch, and it's a zoom

808
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 2: call like this. I don't think Lucas has made him

809
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 2: in person. Out of you don't need to, but you

810
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 2: made him in person. It's even better. You get an

811
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 2: understanding of things that just has not been looked at

812
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 2: as far as how to approach this YEP.

813
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 5: Thing mental, physical, combination, spiritual, soulful. How would you summarize it?

814
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 2: You know, I haven't been through the program. God knows

815
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 2: I need to, but I haven't been through it. I

816
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 2: don't know. I mean, he's explained to me stuff, but

817
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 2: I've tried. I don't want to try to get him

818
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 2: on here. He'll tell you. But I think it's I mean,

819
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 2: I think he had the yips. He's throwing yips, and

820
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 2: so it cost him his baseball career. So he was

821
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 2: I mean, he's very I mean, he's committed to this.

822
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 2: I mean because actually he says to me, after he

823
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 2: became a seal sniper, he still had to throwing yips

824
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 2: and he goes, so I knew it wasn't mental weakness.

825
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 2: And I was like, you know, everybody thinks it. It's embarrassing.

826
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 2: It's embarrassing to you, you know, And and that's one

827
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 2: of the problems, right That's where it starts, is the embarrassment.

828
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 2: And he convinced me that the anxiety, anxiety was not

829
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 2: causing the yips. Anxiety was coming because you had the yeps,

830
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 2: and that made a whole lot of sense because most

831
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: of the people want to cure the anxiety. How do

832
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 2: you do that? Breed deep, relax, you know, go into

833
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 2: you know, meditation, whatever. And I don't think that's how

834
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 2: Jason does it. I think it may be the opposite.

835
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 2: I think you attack and it must, like I say,

836
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 2: I know things with him that you know with Lucas

837
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 2: says that you could just I didn't see it physically

838
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,720
Speaker 2: with Lucas. I saw it mentally, the way he walked,

839
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 2: the way he was talking to me. He just had

840
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 2: this different, like I got it attitude so much so

841
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 2: that when you first started watching it, when somebody told

842
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 2: you they got it, and then they get it and

843
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 2: you start watching, you know that you're on to something.

844
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 2: And I mean it was pretty people we knew. I mean,

845
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 2: we can the tour don't let us gamble, but the

846
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 2: tour let us gamble. We could have heard them.

847
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 5: Is it ultimately the essence of this mind over matter

848
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 5: sort of.

849
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: So one of the biggest problems. And so what they

850
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: told me is, hey, you've got performance anxiety. And I

851
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: never liked that term because I didn't feel anxious when

852
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: I went out to pitch, all right, I went out

853
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: in an inner squad as a senior pitcher on a

854
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: Division One team who the year before was ranked in

855
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: the top twenty five. I had pitched in the playoffs

856
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: as a closing pitcher with bases loaded and in high

857
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: leverage situations. So now I'm in an inner squad pitching

858
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: against my own teammates with nothing really at stake. I

859
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: can completely blow it and I'm still probably going to

860
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: be our closing pitcher that year because of what I've

861
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: done in the past. Right, I've already proven myself. So

862
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: the environment was not escalated in pressure, it was de escalated,

863
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: and I walked four straight batters and did not throw

864
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:59,240
Speaker 1: a single strike. Now I wasn't missing the catcher completely,

865
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: but I was missing the strike zone. And then I

866
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: went out to warm up a day or two later, thought, oh,

867
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: I don't know what was what happened that day, but

868
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: I knew that day something was different, something was off,

869
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: but I didn't know how to identify what it was.

870
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: So just tried to put that behind me. Move on,

871
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: and I'm playing catch with my throwing partner. Everything's fine,

872
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: everything's normal, hanging out, joking with the dudes throwing, you know,

873
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: focusing on my mechanics, and then all of a sudden,

874
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: I say, I want about fifteen feet over his head.

875
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 2: He's like, what are you doing?

876
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: I was like, I have no idea. Then I threw

877
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: one way, you know, I thought, well, I got to

878
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: extend out, you know, just get extension follow through, and

879
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: it looked way, oh, we're almost hit a guy, you know,

880
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 1: And the guys thought I was joking around, like, dude,

881
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: what's going on with you? I was like, man, I

882
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: don't know. So to answer your question, is it mind

883
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: over matter sort of. So the reason why I don't

884
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: like performance anxiety is because every player I have worked

885
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: with has said the first time they experienced the yips,

886
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: they did not feel an elevated level of anxiety or

887
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: fear that was a byproduct of the tension occurring in

888
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: their wrists and hands as they try to deliver or

889
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: strike the ball and not knowing why it happened, if

890
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: it's going to happen again, or having a solution for

891
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 1: it it does, which makes you incredibly nervous. And that's

892
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: where you get the tingling sensation and a similar, you know,

893
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 1: a similar sensation as an adrenaline hit, and what that's

894
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: doing is it's extrapolating the blood from your extremities into

895
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: your vital organs to keep you alive. And you lose

896
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:15,439
Speaker 1: feeling in your hands and feet.

897
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 2: But that is on top of.

898
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: The tension that's taking place in the muscle groups in

899
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: your hands. So the yips is a mechanic. Anytime we

900
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: strike the ball inaccurately, it's due to a mechanical interruption

901
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: or a misjudgment and angle or distance right. And so

902
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: when it's a mechanical interruption, it's normally due to a

903
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: lack of awareness or ignorance. So with me having not

904
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,439
Speaker 1: played much golf, if you watched me putt, you would

905
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: probably be like, hey, you need to change your grip

906
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,240
Speaker 1: like this and put your feet closer or wider or whatever.

907
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,439
Speaker 1: And now that I have that knowledge, I would simply

908
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: consciously choose to apply it. Or perhaps something's oft in

909
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: my swing that day, because it's a very fast, dynamic,

910
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: you know, somewhat violent motion, especially when we're hitting it

911
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: with the driver and something's a little bit out of timing,

912
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: so you can see that on video screen. Coach identifies it. Whatever,

913
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: you fix it, and you just weren't aware that it.

914
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 2: Was off that day.

915
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,760
Speaker 1: But with the yips, it's of subconscious initiation of tension.

916
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: It's the predatory survival instincts kicking in due to past

917
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: experiences and certain levels of awareness and intelligence. So I

918
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 1: think it's for the most part, pretty intelligent, self aware

919
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: guys who get this, who care for all of the

920
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 1: right reasons. And so if you think of the brain

921
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: is split into conscious and subconscious, or intentional and automated,

922
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 1: the automated part of our brain is perceiving a threat,

923
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: and when it perceives a threat, the body's natural instinct

924
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: is to create muscle tension and tightness to protect the

925
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: vital organs. Just like if you're about to get in

926
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 1: a car accident right and you're like this, i'll lose,

927
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: Or if I threw a punch at your chest unexpectedly

928
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 1: but you saw it coming, You're going to make your

929
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: pectoralized muscles tight to absorb that blow, to protect the

930
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: vital organs and your rib cage. You're not going to

931
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: consciously say to do that, or think to do it,

932
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: or engage that. You're going to have a body movement.

933
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 1: Your body is going to move and respond involuntarily without

934
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: you telling it to right, So the same thing is

935
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 1: happening with the yips. It has So is it mind

936
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: over matter, Yes, but it's coming through the subconscious mind,

937
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,720
Speaker 1: which makes it more difficult because it's automated, it's involuntary,

938
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: it's unintentional, right, And it has nothing to do with

939
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: mental toughness. Players that show up every day battling the

940
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: yips and playing competitively knowing that they're struggling with this problem.

941
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: It's like going out and playing through an injury with

942
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: a broken wrist.

943
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 5: You just can't see it.

944
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: And they're coming out every day and battling through it

945
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: knowing that people don't understand it, knowing that people are

946
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: labeling them with being mentally weak and can't handle it

947
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: or whatever else. Yet they're showing up every day, and

948
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: that is mental toughness on display. It's admirable in my

949
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,760
Speaker 1: book for as far as I'm concerned. And I'll finish

950
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 1: with this. I know I got long with that answer,

951
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: but I graduated Seal Training or Hell Week with twenty

952
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 1: guys out of one hundred and thirty five that started

953
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 1: our Buds class. So we started one hundred and thirty five.

954
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: We got the forty three.

955
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 2: We came out of hell week with twenty.

956
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: That requires an extreme amount of mental toughness. So if

957
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: I proved that I was extremely mentally tough and at

958
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: the same exact point in life could not throw a

959
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 1: baseball due to the yips, then the yips cannot be

960
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: due to a lack of mental toughness.

961
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 2: This has been going on for ten years. We tried,

962
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 2: you know, we're trying. We're throwing a lot of ideas

963
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 2: out there. You know, We're at Congarea a couple of

964
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 2: years ago, and I know he was puttying with my

965
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 2: I'm left hand, he was putting with my putter, and

966
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, people switch hitting baseball use this thing.

967
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 2: But he's making everything left it, you know. So yeah,

968
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 2: I mean I think that's you don't want a guy

969
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 2: that will just try anything just because you say it.

970
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 2: But you've got to say it. You've got to go

971
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 2: and give your advice or whatever. But no, it did

972
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 2: take a long time for it sink in. You know,

973
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 2: We've had, you know, we had some things working up

974
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 2: until then. There's a kid named Wore Jarvis who has

975
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 2: done amazing things in this hip category, and he helped

976
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 2: Lucas a lot, and Lucas won on Deer and but

977
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 2: it you know, like I said, we've we've been throwing

978
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 2: ideas out for so long, but you just he's it's

979
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 2: got to be his decision because he's the one that's

980
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 2: got to commit to anything that happens. You know, everybody thinks,

981
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 2: you know, changing teachers or changing clubs. You know, I don't.

982
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 2: We don't do anything that's that's his decision, right, We

983
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 2: will offer anything up. But yeah, Lucas, I think why

984
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 2: he's still here at forty three, why he's still you know, competitive,

985
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 2: is the fact that he's not flippant about how he

986
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 2: changes stuff. I mean, changing golf balls is not an

987
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 2: easy process to Lucas. He really dials in and wants

988
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 2: to figure out, why is this ball working better? Why

989
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 2: is this ball right for me? Right? Why is this

990
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,760
Speaker 2: Everything he does is like that. So I think that helps.

991
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 2: I think a lot of guys, you know, you see them,

992
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 2: they get the yips. Well they don't want to make

993
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 2: they got the yips, so they start firing teachers and

994
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 2: hiring teachers, and they start changing putters, and they're not

995
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 2: really focusing on the real truth, right, you know, and

996
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 2: in this business you see a lot. You know, they're

997
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 2: the last people they blamed. I think Lucas took responsibility

998
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 2: for it being all on him, He really did, but

999
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 2: he took it, but it didn't mean that he wouldn't

1000
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 2: search on corners to find help. But he's going to

1001
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 2: make the decision. It's never going to be out.

1002
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 1: With golf, we're having much faster results, and I think

1003
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: part of that is because there's a tool in your

1004
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: hand and you you can look at the ball instead

1005
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: of looking at the target, and there's several benefits in

1006
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: that as it relates to the yips that you know.

1007
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: We when I played trained with players, it's hours and

1008
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: hours and hours of training. So I can't get into

1009
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: the to the real depth of that without taking up,

1010
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: you know, too much of your time. But I think

1011
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: those are two things are of the reasons why we're

1012
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: getting faster results. And I think that the switch of

1013
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: the putter is a good idea because it changes the

1014
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: mechanical action. Does it necessarily mean it's going to work

1015
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: for every single person and yip's relief, No, because there's

1016
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: more to it than that.

1017
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:56,399
Speaker 5: Lucas Glover specifically, you know, by the way like Mack

1018
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 5: was saying, and this we start. I started reporting this

1019
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,919
Speaker 5: in the September last year, but at that time Mac

1020
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 5: was saying that you guys had had three Zoom sessions

1021
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 5: and that maybe there was a chance that you know,

1022
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 5: you didn't even actually have to meet in order to do.

1023
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 5: Have you ever actually met Lucas Bubery yet, I believe it.

1024
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: Or not, we have ever met in person, but I'm

1025
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: really looking forward to it.

1026
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:18,399
Speaker 10: I love the guy.

1027
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 1: I've developed a you know, we have a professional working relationship,

1028
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 1: but I would say a friendship as well. I think

1029
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: he's a fantastic person and well deserving of his success,

1030
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: and I just couldn't be happier for him, and I

1031
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 1: really look forward to meeting him in person.

1032
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 2: One day, you know, I was talking to Jason about

1033
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 2: how it was going, and he goes and he was

1034
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 2: pretty much, yeah, we got it. So I'm hearing the

1035
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 2: guy talking, I'm here in Navy seal, tell me like, yeah,

1036
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 2: we got it, and I'm here, Lucas goes, yeah, I

1037
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 2: got it. Like it was just just like whoa. And

1038
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 2: then you hear from Jason Baal, and you hear from

1039
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 2: Brad Paxson, you hear from covid u E. Everybody I

1040
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 2: talked to is like, yeah, we're on the something. Wait

1041
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 2: a minute. I just got chills thinking I can remember

1042
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 2: everybody nobody went wait, wait a minute. No, everybody went no, No,

1043
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 2: He's it's just it, you know. And Simsy, Michael Sims,

1044
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 2: he talks, you know, it's probably his best friend, talks

1045
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 2: to him all the time. Michael is a great player,

1046
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 2: you know, played door and it was everybody knew it.

1047
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 2: It was just it was everybody at one time was saying, yeah,

1048
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 2: we were on to something.

1049
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 5: Back to Michael Simms.

1050
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 2: I knew he could do it.

1051
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 11: And it was frustrating for for the both of us,

1052
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 11: you know what I mean, for everyone, you know. But again,

1053
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 11: he just he just never he never ever gave up.

1054
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 11: It's been it's just been a neat process to watch

1055
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 11: him work through all this stuff, you know. I mean

1056
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 11: he he worked with a mental guy, uh woord jartists

1057
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 11: for quite a while and it definitely, you know, it's

1058
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 11: it's still lived there, but it was it was definitely

1059
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 11: a little bit better and and but it never ever

1060
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 11: went away. And I think I think that's that was

1061
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 11: the hard part is his life, just waiting for it

1062
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 11: to happen. That was that was the hard part, waiting

1063
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 11: waiting for it to happen, you know, And you could

1064
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 11: almost you could almost feel it as he was walking

1065
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 11: up to a up to a green, and we had

1066
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 11: a lot of conversations about that, about the weight.

1067
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 2: About the weight of it.

1068
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, it's when you don't know why or

1069
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 11: what or it doesn't it's so frushing because you don't

1070
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 11: know how to I don't want to say diagnose it,

1071
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 11: because you know what's happening, but you don't know what

1072
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 11: to do with it. And that's like, you know where

1073
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 11: Mac comes in and you know Max sitting there, he

1074
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:46,439
Speaker 11: is following so many things, and he came across this guy,

1075
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 11: Jason Kuhne. You know, we're always taught it's a mental thing, right.

1076
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 11: I mean, I don't know about you, but my whole life,

1077
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 11: if you got the yips, it's it's got to be

1078
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 11: a mental thing. It's got to be a mental thing.

1079
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 11: So it was really really refreshing to hear somebody come

1080
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 11: out and be like, it's not a mental thing. I

1081
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 11: just did all these I just did all of this,

1082
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 11: and I know I'm mentally strong enough to handle what

1083
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 11: I have in front of me. Something else is glitching

1084
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,399
Speaker 11: the system, and it's neat that he's able to put

1085
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 11: it into a formula not and you know what I mean.

1086
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 11: And it's different for kind of everyone, but with the

1087
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 11: base always being the same. So he just used his

1088
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 11: experience to to understand and figure figure a few things out.

1089
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:36,399
Speaker 5: And that's the Navy Seal.

1090
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:38,879
Speaker 2: That's the Navy Seal. Jason Kune.

1091
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 11: Yeah, like I said, I mean, I can't wait to

1092
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 11: give the guy a hug if if he accepts hugs.

1093
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 11: But a lot of respect to that guy, man.

1094
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, with the.

1095
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 5: Navy Seal, you got to check to make sure they're good.

1096
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 2: With them shoot and kind of make sure.

1097
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 5: When did lab the concept of LAB and putters show

1098
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,280
Speaker 5: up on your radar? And then what happened?

1099
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 2: You know? Again again, like I say, there's a whole

1100
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,320
Speaker 2: team of us. There's a lot of people. Brad Faxon

1101
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 2: is down with Jason Bell in Florida. I said that,

1102
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 2: you know, obviously Brad's one of the best putters. And

1103
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 2: I don't you know, I don't know if I've got

1104
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 2: the timeline exactly right of when the phone call was

1105
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 2: made or when, but I know Lucas wanted me to

1106
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 2: grab a putter from Lab one of the broomsticks. And

1107
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 2: I remember, you go through the whole cycle, all right,

1108
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 2: it's what length do you need? Loft lie, you know,

1109
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 2: you go all the stuff. You hear it all the time,

1110
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,439
Speaker 2: and he goes, I don't know. He called me pooh

1111
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 2: because I don't know, poo. Just get me Adam Stott's.

1112
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 2: I'm about the same size as him, and I'll figure

1113
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 2: it out. And that's what we did. So I called

1114
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 2: Liam at and I've never met Liam, and I called

1115
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 2: him and said, hey, man, confused, ship us a putter.

1116
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 2: And he did, shipped it down and next thing I know,

1117
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 2: Lucas is in his garage putting with it. And so

1118
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 2: I don't remember the exact timeline, but there was no

1119
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 2: This was not I ordered a specific putter. It just

1120
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,280
Speaker 2: just Getscott. Just get Adam Scotts.

1121
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 5: Let's go more from Michael Simms.

1122
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 11: Matt calls me, he goes, hey, do you know the

1123
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 11: lab guys. I was like no, but I can get

1124
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 11: their number. And he's like, all right, we need to

1125
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 11: get Lucas a lung putter. I'm like wait what He's like, Yeah,

1126
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 11: he's gonna, you know, try it out in these next

1127
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 11: couple weeks.

1128
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 5: I was like, perfect, and we're back to Liam Bedford.

1129
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 5: How did Lucas get the putter?

1130
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 4: Like, how what actually physically happened? How were those putters

1131
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 4: delivered to him?

1132
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 8: He called me, Oh, he didn't call me. Uh, his

1133
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 8: agent called me.

1134
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 2: Mac called me on.

1135
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 8: Might have been the week of the John Dia or

1136
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 8: it might have been the week before the John Dea.

1137
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 8: I can actually remember the day and I could look

1138
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 8: it up. He called me on a on a Monday,

1139
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 8: I think it was. It was Monday when I was

1140
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 8: in the office. I wasn't traveling that week, which was lucky,

1141
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 8: and he called me said, hey, can I get pretty much?

1142
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 8: I want the same thing as what Adam's got. I

1143
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:07,919
Speaker 8: want the same same part of that Adams got, which

1144
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 8: we did build it a little bit different. Adam plays

1145
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 8: so with a broomstick because you want it as upright

1146
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 8: as you can possibly get it, just to have the

1147
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 8: most replica of a pendulum sort of motion. Typically, we

1148
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 8: built him as upright as we can get it under

1149
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 8: inside of the legal limit. So the legal limits eighty degrees.

1150
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 8: Our standard for a broomstick is seventy nine to five.

1151
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 8: So typically all of our broomsticks are seventy nine point

1152
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 8: five degrees, and Adam actually plays at seventy eight. He

1153
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 8: plays at one one and a half flatter. From that,

1154
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 8: he just feels like he can get into a better posture,

1155
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 8: make a better stroke, keeping on playing a little better,

1156
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 8: a little flatter. So we still we made made lucases

1157
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 8: at seventy nine to five. But then every other spec

1158
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 8: on the potter is exactly the same. It's the same headweight,

1159
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 8: same shaft, same components all around. And yeah, he we

1160
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 8: built it that day for much as soon as I

1161
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 8: go off the phone call, built it and then overnight

1162
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 8: chipped it to the event that he was playing, and

1163
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 8: I can't remember which event that was, but we over

1164
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 8: not shipped it. And then on Tuesday morning, I made

1165
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 8: sure I texted Lucas made sure he got it and

1166
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 8: he said I've got it, and that was pretty much out.

1167
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 2: And it went down. We knew he had to go

1168
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 2: to either go left handed or something completely different. We

1169
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 2: needed to get something new in his hands because he

1170
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 2: kind of had a new way to do this, a

1171
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 2: new brain and a new attitude and having that be

1172
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 2: fresh in his hands meant a lot. It helped a ton.

1173
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 2: And people think it's just a putter. Well, I mean

1174
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 2: he's hit some bad putts with that putter, so it

1175
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 2: wasn't just a putter, but it was a combination the

1176
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 2: putter and the new stuff.

1177
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 5: Just it seems very quick that you were able to

1178
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 5: like reverse what seemingly was ten years of baggage.

1179
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: Well he had been fighting it for a while and

1180
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 1: had an idea of what was going on. But I

1181
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 1: think it helped to have someone come in and just hey,

1182
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 1: this is one, I've been there. Two, I'm not mentally weak.

1183
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 2: And neither of you.

1184
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: And three this is what it is, this is what's

1185
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 1: going on, and then you know, here's how we're going

1186
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: to go about defeating it. But I think that for

1187
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 1: I'd give a lot of that back to Lucas, you know,

1188
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: because again you've got the maturity and the professional makeup

1189
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: and mentality of a true pro, a championship pro at

1190
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 1: the highest level you could play at your game, and

1191
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: so he was able to pick it up quick, understand

1192
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: it quick, and apply it quick. I didn't have to

1193
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: hold him accountable to doing the drills or whatever, like

1194
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 1: I got it.

1195
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 2: I got it.

1196
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: I got it, got it, and he'd go and then

1197
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: he'd come back, and we kept progressing and getting better,

1198
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: and yeah, there were some ups and downs and whatever,

1199
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: and then you know, he got got to where he

1200
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: did and it was it's just so fulfilling, you know.

1201
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: I watching Tyler pitch in the World Series, I just

1202
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 1: I bear hugged my wife with tears and I said,

1203
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: you know, at the time, I thought going through the

1204
01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: yips was the worst thing that ever happened to me.

1205
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: Even now, I think, having lived the life that I've lived,

1206
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 1: I think it's the best thing that ever happened to me,

1207
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 1: because I'd rather be here watching him pitching the game

1208
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: than pitching the game myself. Becoming a CEO after failing

1209
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: or imploding short of my potential in baseball was redemption enough.

1210
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 1: But to be able to do this and then help

1211
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: a player get back into the game, and then he

1212
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 1: gets back to the big leagues. But then he wins

1213
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: the World Series, I mean that was enough. Then it

1214
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 1: goes into golf and Lucas wins, wins a championship, you know,

1215
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: just to get him back doing well enough again, it

1216
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 1: would have been fine, but he wins when then he

1217
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: wins another one, and it's just like you're telling me

1218
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 1: there's not a guiding hand in this and how it

1219
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 1: all comes together. You've lost your mind.

1220
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 2: You know.

1221
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 1: I don't have enough faith to believe that that's all

1222
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 1: just random. And by chance, I think that, you know,

1223
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 1: God brings it all together. And I could just feel

1224
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 1: him smiling down on me, blessing me with more than

1225
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 1: I deserved through all of that, and it's just it's wonderful.

1226
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 11: On that note.

1227
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 5: And up next Lucas Glover.

1228
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 10: After three or four weeks, three or four sessions with him,

1229
01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 10: this snow putter idea came. You know, Mac pushed it

1230
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 10: a little bit in facts and let's just let's just

1231
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 10: try it. And I had two weeks off around the

1232
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 10: PGA and mentioned it to Jason Tune and he said, hey, man,

1233
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 10: let's let's go.

1234
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 2: Let's try it.

1235
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 10: We got some time and and it just clicked.

1236
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 3: H put another log on the fire. Nobody here is

1237
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 3: get the tie