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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Man, welcome back, George Norrie longwo Doctor Brennan Spiegel, Doctor Spiegel.

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Speaker 2: Is it gravity that makes people feel better?

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean we feel better when we use

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Speaker 3: gravity to our advantage. You know, gravity isn't just a pull,

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Speaker 3: It's also a push. That's what Einstein told us about relativity.

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Speaker 3: It's just as much pushing up into us as it's

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Speaker 3: pulling us down. And so if we think about it

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Speaker 3: that way, we can start to use gravity's influence to

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Speaker 3: live a better life, to actually strengthen our body. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: for sure it can make us feel better.

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Speaker 2: What are some of the techniques involved to make gravity

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Speaker 2: enhance yourself?

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Speaker 3: Well, right now as I'm talking to you, I am

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Speaker 3: wearing a weighted vest. I wear about sixty pounds on

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Speaker 3: my body when I'm at work, and I wears yep,

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Speaker 3: I wear a twenty pounds on each ankle and twenty

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Speaker 3: pounds on my vests. And I worked up to that.

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Speaker 3: But the way I look at it, just like a

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Speaker 3: baseball player weights, you know, his bat down before he

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Speaker 3: goes up to swing, because he gets a lot stronger

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Speaker 3: with the weight on the that donut on his bat,

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Speaker 3: same thing here. If I can wear this weighted vest

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Speaker 3: on me, I'm simulating life on a larger planet with

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Speaker 3: a greater gravitational pull. So when I take that off,

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Speaker 3: life becomes much easier. I can bend down easily, you know,

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Speaker 3: go to the grocery store, pick up my kids, whatever

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Speaker 3: it is I need to do. It's a lot easier

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Speaker 3: if you've been practicing life on a larger planet. So

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Speaker 3: that's just one of many examples of how we can

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Speaker 3: think about changing our relationship to gravity.

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Speaker 2: How often do you weigh yourself down?

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Speaker 3: I do it every day when I'm at work. So

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Speaker 3: at work, I have a standing desk. Now I happen

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Speaker 3: to work in an office, but you don't have to

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Speaker 3: beat an office, so you can just go about your

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Speaker 3: day chores, daily routines, wearing a weighted vest. Can wear

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Speaker 3: it under your clothes, low profile. I do it every

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Speaker 3: day for most of the day, and then I take

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Speaker 3: it off and I head home.

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Speaker 2: When you take the weights off, do you feel like

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Speaker 2: you're gonna float away? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Exactly. I feel buoyant, you know, like anti gravity. My

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Speaker 3: body's been trained to experience so much pole that the

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Speaker 3: Earth's gravity feels a lot lighter, like it's less than

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Speaker 3: one G. If you've been practicing with more than one G.

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Speaker 2: Now by feeling lighter, what does that do to you?

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Speaker 3: Well, there's some evidence that that improves both physical and

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Speaker 3: mental health, so you feel more buoyant. We know that

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Speaker 3: when we stand up, and we stand up straight with

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Speaker 3: a straight back, it literally can elevate your mood. And

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Speaker 3: I mean literally elevate. Just think about the word elevate.

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Speaker 3: Elevate means up and that's the opposite of descend. So

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Speaker 3: we can elevate our mind and body by basically kind

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Speaker 3: of fighting gravity in this way of thinking about it.

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Speaker 2: What do your colleagues or what does science say about

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Speaker 2: your book? Poll?

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Speaker 3: Well, the book is full of science. So one of

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Speaker 3: the important things to me was that before I wrote

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Speaker 3: this book, I had to feel comfortable that the evidence

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Speaker 3: was there. So there's over three hundred articles in the

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Speaker 3: book alone that I cite, and there's many more beyond that.

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Speaker 3: And as I started writing this book, I started hearing

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Speaker 3: from researchers all across the world, including some at space

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Speaker 3: agencies here in the US, who said, you know, we've

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Speaker 3: been thinking a lot about this for a long time,

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Speaker 3: and we haven't really seen a single book on this topic.

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Speaker 3: So I did a lot of research before I wrote

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Speaker 3: this book.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever been on a roller coaster? Brennan?

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Speaker 1: You bet I have?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, What is that funny feeling we have in our gut?

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's a great question, because what is it

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Speaker 3: about falling on a roller coaster that gives you those butterflies?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: What is that?

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Speaker 3: Why is a gravity challenge like falling on a roller

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Speaker 3: it's the same feeling that some people get when they're

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Speaker 3: falling in love, right, these butterflies, that's a metaphorical fall huh.

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Speaker 3: So you know, as a GI doctor, the stomach doctor,

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Speaker 3: I spend a lot of time thinking about this because

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Speaker 3: I see a lot of patients who have those feelings

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Speaker 3: It's like they're always falling on a roller coaster. And

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Speaker 3: if we have a G four sixcelerometer in our gut

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Speaker 3: telling you that you're about to die. I mean, really,

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Speaker 3: that's why we ride roller coasters. Right, We're practicing our death,

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Speaker 3: but we know we're going to survive. Intellectually, you know

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Speaker 3: you're going to get off that roller coaster, but your

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Speaker 3: brain is like, I never signed up for a twenty

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Speaker 3: story drop. Right. Every part of your DNA is etched

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Speaker 3: going to die. And we're programmed from birth to not

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Speaker 3: want to fall down. And so it turns out some

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Speaker 3: people who suffer from anxiety and have got feelings all

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Speaker 3: the time in their bellions, some of your listeners know

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Speaker 3: exactly who they are when I'm talking about this because

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Speaker 3: I see them in my clinic. It's as if they're

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Speaker 3: afraid of falling to their death. That's in essence what

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Speaker 3: anxiety is. It's neuro visceral falling giving into gravity mentally,

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Speaker 3: and depression is as if you have now hit the

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Speaker 3: so it's all gravitational.

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Speaker 2: How long do you have to wear these weighted vests

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Speaker 3: So it turns out there's some research on this, and

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Speaker 3: the research has looked at four weeks of weighted vest

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Speaker 3: and it can lead to weight loss quite amazingly. First

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Speaker 3: some researchers did this with rats where they put these

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Speaker 3: weighted tungsten pellets inside the rat and weighted them down,

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Speaker 3: and then they lost weight. And then they did it

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Speaker 3: with humans, where they had humans like me and you

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Speaker 3: right wear these weighted vests. Lost four to five pounds

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Speaker 3: on average just walking around with those vests on. And

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Speaker 3: it turns out there's something called the gravitastat, which is

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Speaker 3: a feedback network in your body that tells your body

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Speaker 3: it's like a feedback loop. Now, if you gain weight

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Speaker 3: it seems to trigger some weight loss in some people.

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Speaker 2: Where can you get these weights?

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Speaker 3: Well, you can go online. I have no you know,

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Speaker 3: can go online Amazon wherever look up weighted vests. I

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Speaker 2: What do they cost?

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Speaker 3: I mean, they're not that bad. I want to say,

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Speaker 3: you know, I don't know, fifty bucks something in that range.

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Speaker 3: They're not too expensive. Some are nicer than others, like

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Speaker 3: the ones with the pockets where you weight yourself up

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Speaker 2: Now. Soon do you start feeling better?

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Speaker 3: Well, For the first couple of days, you might feel

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Speaker 3: a little bit drained. When I started using it, I

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Speaker 3: So it's good to start low and go slow. But

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Speaker 3: and I even measured my VO two, which is a

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Speaker 3: two went up just as a result of weighing my

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Speaker 2: Do you find that you sleep better?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so sleep too is gravitational, right, Why do we sleep,

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Speaker 3: reason might be is after a long day of fighting gravity,

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Speaker 3: be part of what's happening. Even with dreams like visual dreams,

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Speaker 3: if you're lying on your back of your head, all

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Speaker 3: the blood is flowing into the occipital cortex. The visual

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Speaker 3: it's also recharging you for the next day of gravity. Management.

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Speaker 2: We'll take your calls next hour with doctor Brennan Spiegel.

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Speaker 2: His book is called Pull. Where do you get the

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Speaker 2: book Brennan.

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Speaker 3: Anywhere books are sold and go to Amazon right now

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Speaker 3: it's up for pre order, and or Barnes and Noble

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Speaker 3: or McMillan.

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Speaker 2: What would you say is the single most important facet

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Speaker 3: Mm? Wow, single most important? I think. I think we've

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Speaker 3: come down to working out, getting stronger, losing weight. The

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Speaker 3: your diet and what we can do with diet to

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Speaker 3: interested in when it comes to gravity is those trillions

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Speaker 3: do is they create serotonin. Serotonin, most people think of

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Speaker 3: ninety five percent of your body serotonin is made in

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Speaker 3: your gut by the microbiome that we live with, and

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Speaker 3: if you feed it the right things, particularly trip to

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Speaker 3: levels and this actually helps you fight gravity physically, not

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Speaker 2: You've got a book out on the virtual reality. Tell

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Speaker 2: me how important that is?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that fits into this too. So this book came

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Speaker 3: we use simulations to non pharmacologically improve pain management, anxiety depression.

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Speaker 3: And one of the most effective approaches is we put

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Speaker 3: those visualizations. So my first book is all about that.

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Speaker 3: It's called VRX.

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Speaker 2: Is It Like Dying?

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Speaker 3: So we can simulate out of body experiences, and we do,

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Speaker 3: spiritual experience. To simulate breaking the bonds of gravity and ascending,

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Speaker 3: and I know you're going to be talking about angels,

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Speaker 3: I think tonight as well. We can simulate that in

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Speaker 3: virtual reality, and there's a lot of excellent evidence that

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Speaker 3: it can change your perspective on death itself if you

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Speaker 2: Speaking of simulation, you had mentioned that there are some

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Speaker 2: that believe we're living in a simulated world. What are

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Speaker 2: the possibilities of that being real?

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Speaker 3: Well, I love this topic and that you ask this question,

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Speaker 3: it's fascinating. I mean, we know that the simulation hypothesis

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Speaker 3: or the laws of physics are programmed in by some

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Speaker 3: think about it that way, what's remarkable, as we've talked about,

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Speaker 3: have evolved to basically encode and adapt to this gravitational rule. So,

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Speaker 3: I think humans have a form of consciousness that AI

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Speaker 3: cannot because we literally are gravity bound organisms in a

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Speaker 3: my thoughts on that topic.

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Speaker 2: Who's the creator of the simulation?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wish I knew that. I was a philosophy

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Speaker 3: It is hard to know how we can live in

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Speaker 3: whether this is fully random chance or if there is

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Speaker 2: Going back to Isaac Newton, gravity is far more than

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well, you know, he was a genius. Unbelievable

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Speaker 3: with an equation. It turns out his form of gravity

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Speaker 3: exactly right and Of course, Einstein reevaluated gravity as the

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Speaker 3: to see another approach to what gravity might be. So

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Speaker 3: there's a physicist named Melvinvopson who believes that gravity is

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Speaker 3: actually the consequence of living in a simulation where information

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Speaker 3: is compressed like a computer system compresses information. The more

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Speaker 3: offshoot of information theory. So this is yet another view

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