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Speaker 1: Software dot Com on Time on Target. It has been

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Speaker 1: several years since Dan Gordon has been on the show,

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Speaker 1: going on in Israel, I was like, all right, the

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Speaker 1: there so looking forward to absolute Um, I know what

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Speaker 1: the royal wedding very you know, I hate the I

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Speaker 1: think it's despicable, the entire notion of being a hereditary lord,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's disgusting that Americans are fawning over

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Speaker 1: but it didn't like a Disney princess wedding. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: it's a princess. I didn't think, knowing Daniel Vizier, this

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Speaker 1: did notice Big Phil tweeting about how which one is anyway?

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Speaker 1: Prince Harry right, I generally I genuinely don't remember, but

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Speaker 1: I mean, the royal family knows it has to evolve,

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's such an obsolete concept in today's world,

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Speaker 1: and Britain has a democratically elected government. Why why do

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Speaker 1: we even have royals? But they spend a lot of

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Speaker 1: like marrying a quote unquote commoner. Look, we have so

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Speaker 1: much in common with you, whim marrying this commoner who's

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Speaker 1: She's coming the fact that that she is of mixed race. Though,

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Speaker 1: right is the rest of us have been marrying mixed

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Speaker 1: Like I get some of that appeal. People probably thought

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Speaker 1: I spent once I weaseled my way back into the army.

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Speaker 1: I spent twelve years in the military spokesperson unit, and

428
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Speaker 1: then um, after I almost got court martialed there, I

429
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Speaker 1: decided it was time to move on to greener pastures

430
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 1: and I went into a unit called the Brigade for

431
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 1: Strategic Studies and International Relations, and they were in charge

432
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 1: of planning the next war and how to defend against

433
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,639
Speaker 1: the next terrorist attack and maintaining the relations between the

434
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Speaker 1: I d F and every foreign military in the world,

435
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: so anything to do with the war on terror. We

436
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 1: were the interface between the Israeli Defense Force and every

437
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 1: other military and that was interesting but boring. Um. And

438
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 1: so then I decided. Um. Then my former brigade commander

439
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:56,400
Speaker 1: in Givati said I wanted he got promoted, and he said,

440
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: I want to take you with me to Central Command,

441
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 1: and I don't know what you'll do there, but I

442
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: want you with me because you come up with goofy ideas.

443
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:11,199
Speaker 1: So I said, um, what you want to do, and

444
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: he had a particular project for me. I said, if

445
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,640
Speaker 1: I try to do it within the framework of the military,

446
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: I don't have enough years left on the planet because

447
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: of the bureaucracy, so it will never work. Let me

448
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 1: try and do it in private industry and then I'll

449
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 1: come back to you with the thing fully developed and

450
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 1: you'll be able to deploy it. And that's what I did.

451
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: And we're now in the stages of we've developed a

452
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: certain military device and it's now been combat tested by

453
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: the I d F. And we've just put in a

454
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Speaker 1: new CEO who's the former chief of the Israel National Police,

455
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 1: and so we expect the thing to start moving now.

456
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 1: So that's kind of cool on that front, or we'll

457
00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: go bankrupt where the other I'm not quite sure. Rich Um,

458
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: So then I decided I want to go back to

459
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Speaker 1: Givati because I really loved that brigade. It's a recombat

460
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Speaker 1: infantry brigade, and it's it just has a very special

461
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: feel to it, as a feel of family to it,

462
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 1: and and a wonderful supportive attitude. I mean, their their

463
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 1: whole thing is your job is not just your job,

464
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 1: it's you see your friend in trouble, you pull them across,

465
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: and it's it's unique I think in that respect, that

466
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: that there's so much emphasis placed on what you owe

467
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: your brother soldiers, it's it's you really you see them faltering.

468
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: Your job is as much to pull them across as

469
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Speaker 1: it is to you know, complete the mission. And and

470
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Speaker 1: I you know, for me, that brigade is family. I

471
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 1: just love it. Um So I convinced the new brigade commander,

472
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Speaker 1: who's a great, great guy and disciple of my former

473
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Speaker 1: brigade commander, that the age of military historians who worked

474
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 1: with a pen and a notebook is over and that

475
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 1: what was really lacking was a competent, Hollywood trained video historian.

476
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: And I said, this is how you document training exercises,

477
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: this is how you document operational activity. Because every time

478
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Speaker 1: we go out on operations that are any kind of

479
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: you know, full scale military operations. We know we're going

480
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 1: to be accused of war crimes, and we need to

481
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 1: have visual video documentation of what we're doing so that

482
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Speaker 1: when we are accused of those things, we can say, well,

483
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: that's odd. We actually had that instant here on tape,

484
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 1: so you can take a look right at it. Um. So,

485
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 1: I actually made up a title for myself and I

486
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 1: am the Chief Video Documentation Officer, which is just total bullshit,

487
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: but you know, allow me to be in the action,

488
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 1: which is a lot of fun, you know. And and

489
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: and I you know, in Hebrew of the the acronym

490
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: is Qatar. So I'll show up places and people say,

491
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: you know, who the hell are you and what are

492
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: you doing here? And I'll say I'm the Qatar of

493
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: Givati and they go what is that? I said, you

494
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: you don't know what the Qatar is? And they say no.

495
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: I said, well, obviously that means you're not supposed to know,

496
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 1: and they all kind of salute and go, oh, they

497
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: don't salute, no, it does that means but they back

498
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 1: off and they kind of buy the bullshit and I

499
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: get to do what I want. So it's fun. I

500
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: love that so how does that play into what's going

501
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: on right now? Because part of the reason I wanted

502
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 1: to have you on, and we will get into like

503
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 1: some of the watest books that you wrote, because the

504
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: last time we had you on, you were just getting

505
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: booked to of the Day of the Dead out there

506
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 1: book to America, and you've released another book since then.

507
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 1: But one of the main reasons I wanted to speak

508
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: to you again was, you know, we could eat all

509
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: the speculation about what's going on in Israel right now,

510
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: but you were just there and I would love to

511
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,479
Speaker 1: hear that on the ground perspective. So I was actually

512
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: just there in reserves um coincidentally because I said, you know,

513
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: you can use me to do training films. You can

514
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 1: use me to do, you know, promotional stuff to get

515
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: kids to want to join the unit. You know, be

516
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: all you can be kind of stuff. You can use

517
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: me to videotape training exercises so later you're able to

518
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: evaluate it from multiple points of view and play it back.

519
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm really useful to you, so utilize me.

520
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: And I said, you know I will actually, you know,

521
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: supply my own equipment. You guys don't have to buy it.

522
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: And and I'll make sure there are multiple cameras, and

523
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's a good idea. So that was Actually

524
00:28:55,920 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: they're filming some training exercises and also doing a uh

525
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,479
Speaker 1: sort of promo be all you can be, you know,

526
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: joined Givati piece. And I've finished actually the my reserves

527
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: and had gone back to Jerusalem because I wanted to

528
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: be there for the day when the embassy was going

529
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: to be um transferred from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, which

530
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: I knew was going to be a big party like

531
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,719
Speaker 1: the liberation of Paris. I mean, I don't think Israel

532
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: has rejoiced in that way since the Six Day War,

533
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: and and I wanted to be a part of that.

534
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: And then I also knew that that Monday, Hamas announced

535
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: they were moving up what they called the Knockba Day celebrations. Uh,

536
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: you know, they they view the establishment of Israel is

537
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: the knock about the catastrophe, which tells you how willing

538
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: they are to make peace with us. Um they were

539
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: that was set for Tuesday, and they said, what the hell,

540
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: let's do it on Monday instead, And we're gonna bring

541
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand Palestinians to the border, and we're going

542
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: to storm the border, and we knew that that was

543
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: really smokescreen, that they were going to try and penetrate

544
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: with numbers of terrorist attacks along the border and get

545
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: into our civilian agricultural communities, which are really I mean

546
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: there's one that is not ten ms from the border.

547
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: The border of that kibbutz is the border. I mean

548
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: it's right on there, and that that actually had to

549
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: be evacuated. Um and then the other kibutzim along that

550
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: area are you know, two thousand meters in the border,

551
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: a thousand meters from the border, three thousands and I

552
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: have people who were like family to me there. So

553
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,239
Speaker 1: they announced that they were going to do, you know,

554
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: a day early, and and it just so happened that

555
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: our brigade had relieved the Golani brigade on the border

556
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: as the main frontry brigade two days earlier. So I

557
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: called up my commander, my battalion and my brigade commander.

558
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: Nice thing, as I I'm not part of any battalion,

559
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: I worked directly for the brigade commander, so I have

560
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: immediate access. So I called him up and I said, listen,

561
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: you need me there today, and he said, I was

562
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: just getting ready to call you get your ass down here.

563
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: So I, unfortunately had turned in my rent a card

564
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: the day before, and I hitchhiked and finally got Israel's interesting.

565
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: I hitchhiked down to Ashkelone and then I took a taxi.

566
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: It's the only country of the world where you can

567
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: take a taxi to the war. It's really you know,

568
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: it's kind of and the guy said. The taxi driver said,

569
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: I said, you get You need to take me to

570
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: Karam Shalom border crossing on Gaza. And he said, what

571
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: I said, I need to. You know, you see how

572
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: I'm dressed. It's not a clown suit, man, I'm in uniform.

573
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: It looks like I'm going to reserve. So that's where

574
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: I gotta be. He said, it's gonna cost you extract,

575
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: you know, that's not I don't go into war zones

576
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: on the same meter. So I said, okay, whatever it takes,

577
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: and I got down there. And so I was in

578
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: the middle of that whole thing. Uh. And I was

579
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: up on on the ridge above Caram Shalom um and

580
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: I was there that entire day, which I will tell

581
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: you right now was a real shooting. More uh, they

582
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: were shooting at us. It was live fire type bombs, grenades,

583
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: I E V S H. I believe three terrorist unit

584
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: attempts to infiltrate the border at various places. Um it

585
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: it looked like the Alamo. I'll say what has always said.

586
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: According according to foreign press resorts and reports, there were

587
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: roughly two thousand Israeli troops in the entire border of Gaza,

588
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: which is a couple of hundred kilometers. Uh. There were

589
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: forty thousand Palestinians where I was. According to foreign press reports,

590
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: there were a hundred and fifty two hundred of US

591
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: and there were five thousand Gazams. Dan, I want to

592
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: ask you real quick and do you think this was

593
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: a genuine attempt to penetrate the border or was it

594
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: an attempt a sort of a political provocation to get

595
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: the I d F to open fire and you know,

596
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: kill some Palestinians. Uh. Well, Hamas's calculus is always twofold.

597
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: It's carry out the terrorist attack if you can, um,

598
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: but do it behind human shields, so that you can

599
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: both carry out the terrorist attack and at the same

600
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: time claim the mantle of victim but have a propaganda victory. Yeah,

601
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: you want to get as many of your own people

602
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: killed as possible, killed and wound it as possible. You

603
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: want them to be women and children, if at all possible.

604
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: And they literally were pushing women and children to the front,

605
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: And the Gozins themselves are now bitter about it and

606
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 1: saying they lied to us, they deceived us. They told

607
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: the lse the army had already fled, and they pushed

608
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: women and children up to the front. There was a

609
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: famous picture of a dead baby girl. Turns out the

610
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: dead baby girl who supposedly was died as a result

611
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: of Israeli tear gas. The first thing they did was

612
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: set fire to tons of tires and that was just

613
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: if you have ever been that crap in that is

614
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:41,720
Speaker 1: carcinogenic black tar, I felt like I had smoked about

615
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: ten packs of cigarettes. It took about eight showers to

616
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: get it off of me. Um. That's and they admit

617
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 1: now that that's how that baby was died, and that

618
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: the baby was already dead, and they brought her up

619
00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: to the fence so that the press could get photographed

620
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: of the dead baby. So the Commas calculus is use

621
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: civilians as human shields, try to carry out the terrorist attacks.

622
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: We know that that their attempts to carry out the

623
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:18,240
Speaker 1: terrorist attacks were extremely real because we intercepted three terrorist

624
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: cells and eliminated them. We also know they were real

625
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: because we intercepted their radio transmissions to their own leaders, saying,

626
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: when we have taken this agricultural community, which we're going

627
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: to storm and take and hold and take hostages, here's

628
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: the guy who will give the speech there. And when

629
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: you take this agricultural community and we've killed and taken hostages,

630
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: here's the guy who will give the speech there. So

631
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: they were dead serious about that, and it was it

632
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: was a gunfight. It was straight out shooting war. I

633
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: mean they were flying fire and live fire at us. Uh.

634
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: They would rush the border fence. They We had watched

635
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 1: them training for a week with grappling hooks. People think

636
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: that we have a wall down there. We don't. We

637
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: have all in all razor wire, which you know, you

638
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: throw grappling hooks on it and attach it to a

639
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: truck and it's not hard to pull that stuff away.

640
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: And when you've got five thousand people rushing the fence, um,

641
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: you're you're in You're in trouble. And I will tell

642
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: you that our rules of engagement were so strict. Um,

643
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: we were told that. First of all, they had said

644
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: to we drop leaflets to the Palestinians. We send them

645
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: text messages on their cell phones because we have every

646
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 1: one of their cell phone numbers. That's because what we do.

647
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 1: And we called their cell phone numbers, and we said,

648
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: do not approach within a thousand meters of the border fence,

649
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: or you will be doing so at risk of your life.

650
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: The truth was again according to foreign press photographers and

651
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: photographs of the soldiers on that border were equipped with

652
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 1: many Tavor assault rifles. Many Tavars have an effective range

653
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: of two hundred and fifty to three hundreds. Very few

654
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: people ever saw an actual sniper weapon on that fence.

655
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: The sniper weapon that we use as a Remington's seven

656
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: hundred with an effective meter range of around eight hundred

657
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: to a thousand meters. Our snipers are trained to shoot

658
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,959
Speaker 1: it around eight hundred meters max. And you saw very

659
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: few of those weapons there on the ridge where I was,

660
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: where we had an eight man team. Uh, seven of

661
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: the guys had according to foreign press reports, not me.

662
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: Foreign press saw them. Uh, there were seven guys who

663
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: had you know, many Tavors. And there was one guy

664
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: who had a longer range weapon. Our rules and engagement were,

665
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: if you saw someone that was approaching the fence within

666
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: now you know, shooting range of the fence, you were

667
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: to shoot below the knee. Um uh. That was a

668
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: strict order if you had to take a shot that

669
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: was lethal fire because you saw someone with a weapon

670
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 1: and he had used it. This is if you're returning fire,

671
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: um and you don't feel your life as an imminent

672
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: threat because you're not about to be overrun, but somebody

673
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: just took a shot at you. You spotted the guy,

674
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: you've got him in your sights. You had to call

675
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 1: h a lieutenant colonel, you had to call a battalion

676
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: commander in order to get permission to take the shot.

677
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: We actually have spreadsheets with every shot that was fired.

678
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: Literally every shot was fired is documented, who shot it,

679
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: when it was shot, under what circumstances um And then

680
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: later Hamas admitted that of the sixte people who were killed,

681
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: fifty of them were Hamas terrorists. And we then published

682
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: their names because we knew who every one of them was.

683
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 1: When they said when they gave the list of the dead,

684
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: we said, oh, Ahmed, we know who Ahmed is. He's

685
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: this rank in Hamas, he lives at this address. Here's

686
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: how much he was paid a month. So fifty of

687
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: the sixty one who were killed were Hamas terrorists. They

688
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 1: had them in specifically in civilian clothes, numbers of them

689
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: dressed as women. Um. And they were dead serious about

690
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: what they were trying to do, and it was it

691
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: was a very um, it was a very smart operation

692
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: from their standpoint, because it was the objective was to

693
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: create constant chaos. Uh So what they did was they

694
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: first set on fire tons of these tires. Now, because

695
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: Gaza is on the Mediterranean, the wind is coming in

696
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: from the sea, so all that black carcinogenic smoke is

697
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: blowing into us. And it's the best smoke screen in

698
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: the world. There's not a smoke military smoke grenade in

699
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: the entire world that will give you that kind of cover.

700
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: And they had those fires burning everywhere. And I'm telling you,

701
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: I still am coughing at night and my eyes haven't

702
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: stopped stinging. Um. So, first there was the smoke screen.

703
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: Then they're blaring this loud music and constant death to Israel,

704
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: Death to America tapes over and oversee you have this

705
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: you know, sound offensive going on. Then they were flying

706
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: over kites. You'd say, well, that's no big deal, except

707
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 1: every one of the kites and they flew a lot

708
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: of masses of them over had incendiary bombs on them.

709
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: So one of those kites lands in a wheat field

710
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: because it's all iricultural area. And now you've got a

711
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: raging brush fire. And there were scores of these brushfires

712
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: that are all of a sudden engulfing you, uh, and

713
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: are behind you and coming towards you. And in addition

714
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: to doing economic damage and whopping out you know, a

715
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: year's crop. Um, they're a terrorist weapon. Then in addition,

716
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: so you've got the smoke, you've got the noise, you've

717
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: got the kites coming over. Uh, they were. There were

718
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 1: I E. D S that they had planted along the fence.

719
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: There were pipe bombs that they were throwing. They were

720
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: launching grenade launches, uh, using grenade launchers and launching grenades

721
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: at us, and there was live fire and then they

722
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 1: would do a mass rush towards the fence. Now while

723
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: all that is going on, that's a smoke screen for

724
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: the terrorist unit to try and penetrate. And you know,

725
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 1: their terrorist units are good at what they do. They're

726
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 1: well trained, they're good commandos, they're good soldiers. I won't

727
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,479
Speaker 1: take that away from them. Uh, thank god, we're better.

728
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: And the three terrorist units that had very clear plans

729
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: to attack agricultural communities, we're all intercepted and all of

730
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 1: them were killed. So their plan was to penetrate the

731
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: Concertina wire and then take hostages, kill and take hostages on,

732
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: keep it seeing and there's you know, uh, they wanted

733
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: to hold territory, and they told their people, once you

734
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 1: kind of trade that wire, we're marching to Tel Aviv.

735
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: We're reclaiming, uh, you know, our homeland. Now. It's interesting

736
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: about that is everybody in the world tales Israel, if

737
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,479
Speaker 1: you retreat to the nineteen sixty seven borders and allow

738
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: for a pen Palestinian state, there will be peace. You

739
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: guys will be caused for all the problems in the region,

740
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 1: and probably you're the cause for cancer too. Well, what

741
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 1: everybody keeps forgetting is where Gaza is concerned. We use

742
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: ten thousand of our own soldiers in two thousand five,

743
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: in the most painful operation of the Israeli army to

744
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: uproot ten thousand people from their farms, their businesses and

745
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 1: their places of worship, tear them up out of their hand,

746
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: cuff them and haul them off. Now, if they have

747
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: been Palestinians, we'd have been called war criminals and haled

748
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 1: before the world criminal tribunals. We used our army against

749
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: Israeli Jews who had lived there for half a century,

750
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: people whose grandparents had been born there, and we pulled

751
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: out every last settlement, every last settler, every last military outpost,

752
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 1: and turned over every centimeter, not inch, but every centimeter

753
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: of Gaza back to the Palestinian authority. The Palestinian Authority

754
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: is the co signer of the Oslo Accords. The p

755
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: A was weaker than Hamas, and Hamas very shortly staged

756
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: as bloody of who as you can never imagine. You

757
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 1: can still see some of the videos on YouTube. They

758
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: lined up hundreds of their Palestinian brethren who were in

759
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: Fatah or the PLO, machine gun them all, blindfolded them,

760
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: pushed them off three story buildings. When they interrogated them.

761
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: They started it off the interrogation by shooting their kneecaps off. Uh.

762
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: And they seize power. They are not the duly elected representatives.

763
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: Of the Palestinian people. They conquered Gaza. Gaza is occupied today,

764
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: but it's occupied by Hamas. So they were not going

765
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 1: up against the settlements. They were going up against the

766
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: nineteen forty eight internationally recognized border of Israel, trying not

767
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: to reclaim any occupied land there. They told their people,

768
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: you're getting tel Aviv. You're gonna march all the way

769
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 1: to tel Aviv, and they bought it, and then they

770
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: used that as a human shield to try and attack

771
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: the agricultural unity. Dan. I want to ask what you

772
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: see as if there is any I mean, sometimes we

773
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,959
Speaker 1: start with an assumption um, but is there a long

774
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: term strategic calculus to Hamma? So what they're their strategic

775
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: plans are when we see these limited actions like trying

776
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: to make the runs at the border fence, what that

777
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: is a strategic gambit that leads to what I mean,

778
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of curious to hear, you know, big picture,

779
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: what your thoughts are on what they hope to accomplish.

780
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: So here's here's the evolution of of of Comas's battle doctrine.

781
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: Because they know that militarily their inferior, they know that

782
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: their advantage is that they can weighs asymmetric warfare and

783
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: get away with it. So the first incarnation was rocket

784
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: attacks and that began almost immediately as after they took power,

785
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: they began launching rockets two thousand and six, that was right.

786
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: And those rockets in the beginning, we're very primitive. They

787
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: were called Cassam rockets. They were homemade UM and then

788
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: they started getting precision rocketry from Iran and we care

789
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: then had to impose a naval quarantine to prevent those

790
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 1: weapons from coming in, just exactly the same kind of

791
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: naval quarantine that the United States imposed against Cuba for

792
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: the exact same reason, because they filled feared missiles going

793
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: from Cuba to the United States. The difference was not

794
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: one missile was ever fired against the United States, and

795
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: we've had I think about twelve thousand rocket attacks against Israel.

796
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:42,479
Speaker 1: So in response to the rocket attacks, we developed iron Dome,

797
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 1: and iron Dome is an anti missile system that works

798
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 1: short range. We have a three tiered missile system. It's

799
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: it's made up of iron Dome that an intermediate UH

800
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: rocket UH interceptor called David Sling, and then the Arrow

801
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: missile for long range intercontinental ballistic missiles so we have

802
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: a three layer defense program that's almost totally implemented now.

803
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: Iron Dome has been there since I think two thousand

804
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: and ten or eleven UH and UH David Sling is

805
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 1: now operational arrow of the operational shortly. So iron Dome

806
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: became the answer to the rocket problem. It intercepts of

807
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: the rockets, so suddenly they were without a weapon. In

808
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: two thousand nine two thousand nine ten, they waged a

809
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: war against US, and I was attached to the Airborne

810
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: at that time as part of the military spokesperson unit,

811
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: and there was a big battle at a place called Alatatra.

812
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: And at Alatata they really tried for the first time

813
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: the terrorist tunnel tactic, where they said, okay, we're gonna

814
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: have tunnel us where you can't see us. We're going

815
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: to pop up um. We found again, by the grace

816
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: of God, we intercepted a Hamas terrorists who had on

817
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: him a map. They had taken years to prepare the

818
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: battlefield at Alatatra. Almost every one of the houses was

819
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: booby trapped. They actually had dummies set up in the

820
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: windows to make it look like it was a Hamas terrorists.

821
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: Then they would fire, they would have a guy who

822
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: would fire from that window. Our rules of engagement at

823
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: the time said you can't fire a nanti tank or

824
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: a tank shell into the house to take it out.

825
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I've talked to marines from Felujah who's and

826
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: I said, what would happen if you get fired from

827
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: you know, ex house? He'd say, you know, you tell

828
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: the tank to labashell in there and it's over. I said, yeah, Well,

829
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: we had to take it with infantry. So the idea

830
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: was they would lure and infantry platoon into taking that house.

831
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: As they would cross the threshold, they would detonate an

832
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: I E ed and that would do two things. It

833
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: would split the platoon in half. It would kill or

834
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: wound everybody who had been in range. And then they

835
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: had a kidnapping team that was inside the house in

836
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: a tunnel underneath the carpet or tile. They would pop up,

837
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 1: the carpet would be thrown off or the tile thrown off.

838
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,240
Speaker 1: The plan was to take the wounded and the bodies,

839
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: drag him into the tunnels. The tunnels led out of

840
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: the village and they'd whisk him deep into Gaza and

841
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: they would have now Israeli soldiers as hostages and that

842
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: would be the big victory. It totally failed because we

843
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: got the map that showed every single movie trap there was,

844
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: every tunnel there was, and they didn't succeed in getting

845
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: one Israeli soldier. But one very smart guy in Kamas said, Okay,

846
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: it didn't work this time, but the idea of the

847
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:06,280
Speaker 1: tunnel is really cool. So the soldiers hostage tunneling across

848
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: the border, right, So they then began tunneling underneath the

849
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: border of Israel, and the first person to foll victims

850
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: that was Gila Chalit, who was the hostage who was taken.

851
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,240
Speaker 1: But they said, you know what, if we were tunneling

852
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: that time, we tunneled towards a military base and we

853
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: took a military hostage. But if we tunnel where we

854
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 1: can be in reach of the kubut scene and we

855
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 1: can come up within hundreds of meters of a kibbutz

856
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: and make a mad dash for a kibbutz and take

857
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: civilian hostages, and that was the war plan. In was too.

858
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 1: We discovered thirteen tunnels that led directly under the border

859
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 1: of Israel, inside of Israel, came up next to civilian

860
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: communities and the idea was to finish the war with

861
00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: hundreds of Israeli's civilian hostages in their hands, and that

862
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: would have brought us to our knees. That was an

863
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: existential war, UM, and we were taken by surprise by

864
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: the amount of tunnels they had. Thank goodness, we have

865
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: a spot or unit which is public knowledge. That is

866
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: an all female unit, UM. And the reason it's all

867
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: female is that nineteen year old girls have better powers

868
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 1: of concentration than nineteen year old boys, because nineteen year

869
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: old boys think about nineteen year old girls. I remember

870
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: you saying this in the last showing us and the

871
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 1: ninety old girls think about the job. And I have

872
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: met the two young girls who the first one who

873
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 1: saw the first terrorist tunnel attack happening, couldn't believe our

874
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: eyes was not frozen, acted immediately hit the alarm. We

875
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: had an aerial asset in the area and we took

876
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: the guys half of the unit out with a hellfire missile.

877
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 1: The other half of the terrorist unit retreat it back

878
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: into Gaza, so we foiled that attack. Then there was

879
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:08,720
Speaker 1: another attack, UM, in which a really smart young woman

880
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: soldier UM spotted guys who had evidently already come up

881
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: out of the tunnel. They were dressed in Israeli uniforms.

882
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: They looked exactly like Israeli soldiers, down to the right weapons,

883
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: the right weapons, vest the same kneepads we use. We

884
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: have a thing called a meet sneffett on our helmets,

885
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: which is to give the helmet in irregular shape so

886
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: that snipers can't see you. They had those on. The

887
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 1: only difference was she she was looking at the screen

888
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: and she went, there's something wrong here. I can't find Waldo,

889
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 1: but I know there's something wrong with the picture. And

890
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: she said to her commander, take a look at this screen.

891
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: Something's wrong here. And the commander said, there's nothing wrong there.

892
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: And she said, I see a group of a dozen

893
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: Israeli soldiers, but they're not facing Gaza. They're facing Israel.

894
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 1: Why would they be facing Israel If there's any soldiers,

895
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: why wouldn't they be facing Gaza. And she says, well,

896
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: maybe they're just resting. Maybe there. You know, I'm not

897
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: going to send out and give the order to attack

898
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: Israeli soldiers based on the fact that you see them

899
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: lying in one direction. So they did a really simple thing.

900
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: They went out on the net on the on the

901
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: right radio frequency, and they literally said, every Israeli soldier

902
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: in this sex sector, raise your hand, and these guys

903
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: didn't raise their hand. We went oops and we sent

904
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: out a unit and Uh in that unit, very brave

905
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: commander of Italian commander of the Givati Brigade, who said,

906
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,720
Speaker 1: who heard it first? Israeli commanders lead from the front

907
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: and he just got in his humby, had his radio

908
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 1: operator and he just raced out there and he was

909
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: hit by an RPG. Uh. He got out and continued

910
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: to fire. His name was Dolev Kdari, was a young

911
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: lieutenant colonel, left behind a wife and a couple of kids,

912
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:19,240
Speaker 1: and he was killed in that action. But his action

913
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: bought enough time for the rest of the unit to

914
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: come and take these guys out before they could get

915
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: the civilian community. Um. So that was the next evolution

916
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: of Commas's doctrine, which was to use the terrorist attack tunnel.

917
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: And they have spent five years building those tunnels, and

918
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 1: they had done it with your money, because that was

919
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: the aid that we gave Gaza to supposedly rebuild from

920
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: the two thousand and nine. More so, they had from

921
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: two thousand nine to two thousand and fourteen to prepare

922
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: those tunnels. Um then an interesting thing happened within the

923
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: last year. It turns out that somehow, I don't know how,

924
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: but every tunnel they've tried to dig into Israel has

925
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: collapsed on the people who were digging it and killed

926
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: them all things. The damnedest thing I guess that this

927
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:26,280
Speaker 1: weird earthquake seismic thing that happens. But they that option

928
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: then was taken away from them, and that was the

929
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: jewel in the crown a minute, the tunnel warfare option

930
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: was taken away. Then they came up with UH, a

931
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 1: new tactic, and they have a new military leader. You know,

932
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 1: Hamas has two branches, military and political, which is b S.

933
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: But there's one guy who's operationally in charge of the military.

934
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 1: This guy's has spent twenty two years in an Israeli

935
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 1: prison as a terrorist. He was released for g Ludge

936
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: a lead. He was part of the one thousand guys

937
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: to leave Ludge Lead and the he's now the military

938
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 1: commander of Gaza and his name is Yaya sin Noir

939
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: and he's a very badass guy. He came up with

940
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 1: a really brilliant idea. He said, why don't we say

941
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 1: we're Gandhi and Martin Luther King, and we're going to

942
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 1: have a peaceful march to the fence. And that's all.

943
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 1: We're just peacefully demonstrating we're going to march up to

944
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: the border fence and say we shall overcome, and you

945
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: guys still our land forty years ago, and we're gonna

946
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: sing songs and each swarma and and it'll be a

947
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 1: cultural celebration of cultural Palestinian life along the border sense

948
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,320
Speaker 1: as a fence as a means of protests, peaceful protest,

949
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:47,280
Speaker 1: and the Israelis then will be killing peaceful protesters because

950
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: we're going to use that as a smoke screen to

951
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: penetrate Israel with terrorist units. So that was how the

952
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 1: evolution of how they got to that that now they

953
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: saw failed so miserably because in in that on that Monday,

954
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: we killed sixty one, we wounded two thousand, and not

955
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:15,320
Speaker 1: one Israeli soldier suffered more than a scratch. And to

956
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: those who say, oh, that's proof that your mass murderers,

957
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: I would say, no, that's proof that we're really good shots.

958
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: Because if we wanted to murder people and we only

959
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: hit sixty one out of two thousand, we're really bad shots.

960
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: So when we used lethal force, there was a reason

961
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: for it, and Commas itself said, yeah, well, fifty of

962
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 1: the sixty one, we're actually terrorists trying to infiltrate Israel.

963
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: So people were warned to stay away. They knew that

964
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: if they approached within a thousand meters they were targets.

965
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: The truth was we didn't even had a majority. According

966
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: to the foreign press, is that the majority of soldiers

967
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: didn't have weapons that could reach beyond three so they

968
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: really we granted as much leeway as humanly possible, and

969
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: most of those two thousand people who were wounded were

970
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: shot below the knee um there's a lot of people

971
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: who were getting orthopedic care. So that tactic failed miserably,

972
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: and they had planned the next day to double the numbers.

973
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: They wanted to get a hundred thousand Palestinians out there.

974
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: They only got forty thousand. That means the sixty of

975
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 1: the palace sixty Palestinians didn't buy their line of bs,

976
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: despite the fact that they paid a hundred bucks for

977
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: every family who would go, and five hundred dollars if

978
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: you got wounded. Does that show a larger disenfranchisement with

979
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: Hamas and Palestine? In Gaza? You now see real disenchantment there.

980
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,919
Speaker 1: Just was a few days ago a guy who who

981
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: self emulated, who who publicly set himself on fire, And

982
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: the whole time he was burning, he was screaming curses

983
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: against Hamas, not against Israel. He said, they deceived us,

984
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: They've made our lives miserable. They use us for cannon fodder. Uh.

985
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: So you know, the Palestinian people aren't stupid there. I

986
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: agree that they're too in a miserable situation because they've

987
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: allowed themselves to be occupied by a terrorist army. And

988
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: for those people who say the solution is a two

989
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: state solution, uh, the answer is there already is a

990
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: de facto Palestinian terrorists failed state. It exists. It's called Gaza.

991
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: How does it look to you? Do you want another one?

992
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: Do you think the world needs another one of those?

993
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 1: Because if we left the West Bank, Gaza would take

994
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 1: over with a with a coup inside of two days,

995
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 1: and then we'd have rockets coming down on not just rockets,

996
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: we'd be in pistol range of Ben Gurion Airport. You

997
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't have a plane that could land or take off

998
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: in Israel, Tel Aviv would be under direct attack and

999
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 1: you'd have a real catastrophe on your hands because then

1000
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: we'd have to go in and we would have to

1001
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: inflict heavy damages in order to survive. Well, it's incredible.

1002
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: So do you see Do you think that this um,

1003
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 1: this sort of border run human shield tactic is something

1004
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: that Hamas is going to do again or are they

1005
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 1: going to try to move on to the next tactical evolution.

1006
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: UM hard to tell because on the one hand, initially

1007
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: they felt that they had won the propaganda war, which

1008
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: is always as important to them as military objectives, because

1009
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 1: and I will say here that the western media has

1010
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: as much blood on its hands as the terrorists do.

1011
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: Um of the foreign press was on the Gaza side

1012
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:56,439
Speaker 1: of the border. They were not interested in covering what

1013
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: the Israeli soldier was up against, what we were up against.

1014
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: You didn't see reporters out there, Dan, I'm a journalist

1015
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 1: and I volunteer to go and I would cover from

1016
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 1: the I d F side and reporting what's going on

1017
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: do because you know, there's an old saying in journalism,

1018
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,439
Speaker 1: what bleeds leaves, and so they wanted to be there.

1019
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: They had already written the narrative, Israelis are going to

1020
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: be mass murderers and we want to be there to

1021
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: see the dead babens, And so they were. They are

1022
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: they have as much blood on their hands because every

1023
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 1: time they write a story distorting the truth and saying

1024
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 1: that this was a peaceful demonstration where Israel, you know,

1025
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: murdered innocent civilians without cause. They can sign another Palestinian

1026
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 1: child to death and the blood is on their hands

1027
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 1: and damn them to hell for it. Well, they're definitely

1028
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: two sides to the story, and I mean, I definitely

1029
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 1: feel that both of them should be told because it's

1030
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,479
Speaker 1: definitely not as clean cut as you know, many people

1031
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 1: are like to make it seem um well, as you

1032
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 1: say in the Palace. I'm a media guy. If I

1033
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: wanted a good story, I would go to the the

1034
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 1: Israel Defense Force military spokesperson unit and say, hey, I

1035
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 1: want to be up there on that ridge with those snipers,

1036
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 1: and I want to see how they operate, what the

1037
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 1: rules are they really phoning in to get permission? How

1038
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 1: many people are shooting at once? Are they shooting wantonly?

1039
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 1: And I want to actually see what it looks like

1040
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 1: when you're a handful of guys and there's five thousand

1041
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 1: people rushing you. You know, that's if I were a journalist,

1042
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 1: I'd say that's a pretty good shot. I want to

1043
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 1: cover that one. You didn't see that though, Yeah, I

1044
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 1: think that'd be a great socrup story for Yeah, I know,

1045
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 1: it absolutely would be an important trip. Um. You know,

1046
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 1: there's something to be said to and I mean, I

1047
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: think Israel has experienced that, so has America, and when

1048
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 1: we try to fight these counterinsurgencies, and whether Vietnam or

1049
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: Rack or whatever, there's I don't know who you know

1050
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 1: came up with this idea, but they said that when

1051
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 1: a strong power fights a weaker power, they also get

1052
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 1: become weaker. That there's something about you know, when you're

1053
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 1: fighting the underdog, the viet Cong or an Iraqi insurgency,

1054
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: it ends up making a big, large, powerful state in

1055
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 1: the United States this case weaker or perceived as being

1056
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 1: weaker at the end of the day. Well there, and again,

1057
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 1: the press is really a willing participant in Matt. I mean,

1058
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: I have a lot of my buddies who were in

1059
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 1: Vietnam while I was in the Israeli army, and they said,

1060
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: but for the press, militarily we would have we would

1061
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 1: have won that war. Well, that I kind of disagree

1062
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 1: with because then it becomes the military blaming the press

1063
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Speaker 1: for military failures. Um. And it allows us to differ responsibility.

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01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, um uh. But in answer to

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01:03:53,800 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: your first question, the biggest problem is you then get

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01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 1: this charge of disproportionate response. Well, that's how militaries operate.

1067
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 1: If you don't have a disproportionate response, you will lose

1068
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 1: the battle. You win the battle by overwhelming force. Yeah,

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01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 1: it's not supposed to be proportional. It's supposed to be

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01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 1: one thirds, two thirds, or even more depending on the target. Yeah.

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01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 1: And and my question when I was in the military

1072
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 1: spokesperson unit was if you had seen another couple of

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01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 1: hundred Israeli dead bodies, would you have been happier. We

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01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 1: spend a huge amount of money on civil defense. We have.

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01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 1: If you go along the Gaza border anywhere in that

1076
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 1: area into the town of stay Rote, every fifty meters

1077
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 1: there's a bomb shelter and it looks like a bus stop,

1078
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 1: and one of those saved my lives. I actually have

1079
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 1: a picture of of there was a Caduca rocket coming

1080
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 1: down and I made a mad dash for that shelter

1081
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 1: and as soon as I hit it, a shelf fragment

1082
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 1: hit the window in that shelter room man and would

1083
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 1: have taken my head clean off. Um uh. So we

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01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 1: spend it an ordinate amount of money on civil defense.

1085
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 1: That's why we didn't have those casualties. And then we

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01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:26,440
Speaker 1: developed iron Dome. I mean, when you fired ten thousand

1087
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 1: rockets that densely populated civilian areas and you don't get

1088
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,959
Speaker 1: any casualties, whoever is in charge of your home front

1089
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 1: commanding your civil defense is doing a pretty good job. Yeah.

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01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you going this in depth into the

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01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: history of everything, because I think this is a subject

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01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 1: that people people don't know the entire history of and

1093
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 1: you've been there and lived it. And I should say

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01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 1: that while you were talking about the tunnels, which are

1095
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:58,479
Speaker 1: obviously very well researched on, as well as having operated there,

1096
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 1: that was the the catalyst for your two original books

1097
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 1: of the series on the Dead book One Gaza Book

1098
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 1: to America. And for those who haven't listened to the

1099
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 1: past episodes, you talk about the threat at the Mexican

1100
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 1: American border being similar to the same thing you saw

1101
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 1: with those tunnels. Yeah, I think as Isis gets squeezed

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01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 1: out of the Middle East, I think they're going to

1103
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 1: have no choice if they want to maintain credibility other

1104
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 1: than to carry out a mass casualty attack against the

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01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 1: United States. Otherwise, their their their ability to recruit was

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01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 1: based first on how quickly they were achieving victories, and

1107
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 1: second and most charismatically, they had declared the caliphate, and

1108
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 1: that was wow, there is the Caliphate, it exists. It's

1109
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 1: not a dream. And that was their best recruiting tool.

1110
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 1: As that has come to an end and they get

1111
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 1: pushed out of the last pockets of the Middle East.

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01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 1: You've got guys who have EU passports, which means they

1113
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 1: can enter this country without a visa. You've got tunnels

1114
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 1: that lead from Mexico into the United States that they

1115
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 1: can rent for the day, and they have very good

1116
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 1: relationships with the cartels. You have so many ways in

1117
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 1: which they can infiltrate this country. And there will come

1118
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 1: appoint in time where the Bota Klan style attack that

1119
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 1: you saw in Paris, or the attacks that you saw

1120
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 1: in Belgium will be chump change to what they will

1121
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 1: have to launch in the United States in order to

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01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 1: maintain credibility. Otherwise, you know, we think we think of

1123
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 1: ISIS as now it's sort of the only enemy. Well,

1124
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 1: Isis is in competition for recruits and money with al Qaida,

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01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 1: and if they don't have something big on their plate

1126
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 1: that they can claim as a victory, they're going to

1127
01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 1: take second position and suck hind tip to Guida and there.

1128
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 1: And they don't want to do that. So as they

1129
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 1: get squeezed out of the Middle Middle East, that's a

1130
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 1: cause for rejoicing, but that's a cause for greater vigilance

1131
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 1: because they at that point, I don't think, have a

1132
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 1: choice but to perpetrate some grand mass casualty attack in

1133
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 1: the United States or a series of coordinated small attacks.

1134
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 1: Whereas if they if they have Mumbai style attack, Yah, yeah, yeah,

1135
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 1: I mean think of think of Bota Klan in Paris, right,

1136
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:37,639
Speaker 1: they hit three locations at once, well coordinated, um killed

1137
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 1: hundreds of people. Um. I've again this is no secret,

1138
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 1: but we have places that are so much more vulnerable

1139
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:51,679
Speaker 1: than Paris. It's not even funny. I'm not talking about

1140
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 1: New York on time you know, Times Square on New

1141
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 1: Year's Eve, though, that's a wonderful target, and New York

1142
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:02,759
Speaker 1: on any day as a wonderful target. But good lord,

1143
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 1: think of Disneyland, think of Las Vegas. Look at what

1144
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 1: one sniper was able to do in Las Vegas, and

1145
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 1: then now imagine eighteen well armed, well trained terrorists. You

1146
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 1: set up three truck bombs in Las Vegas, and you

1147
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:23,800
Speaker 1: shut down the strip completely and you control it. I'm

1148
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 1: also interested to see some of the other Syrian groups,

1149
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 1: some of the ALMOSTRA affiliated groups like Al al Sham,

1150
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:34,640
Speaker 1: some of the others have become quite sophisticated in the

1151
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 1: course of the war. UM. So I'm interested to see

1152
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 1: how those groups evolve and if they end up filling

1153
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 1: in the void left by Isis um. But all that

1154
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:48,679
Speaker 1: remains to be seen. Yeah, and you know, the Syrian

1155
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 1: story is not played out by a long part. Yeah,

1156
01:09:53,240 --> 01:10:00,120
Speaker 1: but the main story in Syria is Iran's attempt to

1157
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 1: turn Syria into Lebanon. Lebanon basically now is controlled by Iran.

1158
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 1: His Blah is an extension of Iranian foreign policy, and

1159
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:13,719
Speaker 1: in a projection of Iranian military force, they now run Lebanon.

1160
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:17,680
Speaker 1: They're trying to do that in Syria. They're trying to

1161
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:24,759
Speaker 1: establish a Shia crescent from the Indian Ocean to the Mediterranean. Um.

1162
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 1: They are not going to let go of Iraq despite

1163
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 1: the recent elections. Their influence in Iraq there makes great

1164
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 1: again policy, Yeah, and Israel is not going to allow them.

1165
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 1: That's why you've seen the recent series of bombing attacks

1166
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 1: against Iranian positions. Iran and Israel are already engaged in

1167
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:50,559
Speaker 1: low intensity warfare. There is a war going on between

1168
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 1: US and them right now. In Syria, they're building bases

1169
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 1: which they intend to use against Israel. Israel is saying

1170
01:10:57,439 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 1: we're not going to allow those bases to be built,

1171
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:01,680
Speaker 1: and we're not going to allow you to establish a

1172
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 1: second northern front against us, so that you know. And

1173
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 1: then you've got Turkey, which has its own grand ambitions

1174
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 1: to re establish the Ottoman Empire essentially. And then you've

1175
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 1: got the Kurds, who are you know, twenty million people

1176
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 1: in the Middle East who are the real stateless people

1177
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 1: who deserve a country more than anybody else. And they

1178
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:29,760
Speaker 1: were screwed by the colonial powers after World War One

1179
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 1: who split them up between four countries so they couldn't

1180
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:34,520
Speaker 1: have a country. If there's a There's an interesting affinity,

1181
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:37,839
Speaker 1: isn't there between the Israelis and the Kurds. There always

1182
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 1: has been. We identify very strongly with the Curs a

1183
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 1: lot of First of all, UH Kurdistan always had a

1184
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 1: large Jewish population, so a lot of Israeli's families from

1185
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 1: there came from there and still speak Kurdish at home.

1186
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 1: Their grandparents still have very close friends incur in Kurdi

1187
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:04,720
Speaker 1: stand But we also identified as a non Muslim minority

1188
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 1: seeking to have an independent UH state in in our

1189
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 1: ancestral homeland in a very hostile Middle East, so we

1190
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 1: have always had warm relationships with the Kurds. I think

1191
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:21,719
Speaker 1: it behooves the United States especially to arm and support

1192
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 1: the Kurds, who are a tremendous land buffer against Iran.

1193
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:30,480
Speaker 1: Their pro Western their pro democracy, They love America, UM,

1194
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 1: and I think we should be doing everything humanly possible

1195
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 1: to support them. They will. They're great fighters, um. They're

1196
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 1: brave as lions, UM. And they can do a lot

1197
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,600
Speaker 1: of heavy lifting for us if we support them and

1198
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 1: give them the means. Well said um, So I was

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01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 1: going to mention their your latest project, your latest book

1200
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 1: is Let There Be White with Sam Sorbo And what

1201
01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 1: what Sam's relation to Kevin? Again? Uh, Sam is actually

1202
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:07,599
Speaker 1: not a male name. Her real name is Susan. Sure,

1203
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 1: her nickname is Sam, and Sam and Kevin have been

1204
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:16,679
Speaker 1: married for I believe going on twenty five years something

1205
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 1: like that. So for those who don't remember, yeah, exactly,

1206
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, Kevin Sorbo who played Hercules? So

1207
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:25,840
Speaker 1: that how did you get hooked up with Sam or

1208
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 1: or Susan and write this book? And what's the premise

1209
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 1: of it? I know it's completely you know, not military related,

1210
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 1: but I'm sure our audience would like to hear about it. Well,

1211
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:36,360
Speaker 1: it first was a movie and it was a hit movie.

1212
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:40,600
Speaker 1: We we Sean Hannity exactly produced it. We made it

1213
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 1: for two point three million. We gross seven point two

1214
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:46,759
Speaker 1: at the box office, so we tripled our negative cost

1215
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 1: at the box office, which is almost unheard of. We

1216
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:54,680
Speaker 1: then did a very lucrative deal with Amazon Prime. We

1217
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 1: did good foreign numbers, and we are now so I

1218
01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:01,960
Speaker 1: think we've passed selling a under thousand units at Walmart

1219
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 1: of the DVD within the first six weeks, and we're

1220
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:09,680
Speaker 1: gonna be in Walmart. For anybody who hasn't seen the movie. Uh,

1221
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 1: there'll be a it's there now, but they're gonna do

1222
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 1: a big Christmas special because it is a Christmas movie. Uh.

1223
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 1: And it's really a neat movie. And in a lot

1224
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 1: of ways, Um, it's one of the most personal movies

1225
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:25,879
Speaker 1: I've ever written, even though I'm not a Christian. Uh,

1226
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 1: there's an awful lot of me in there. Uh. The

1227
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 1: guy who is the lead character, um, is a professional atheists,

1228
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 1: sort of like Christopher Hitchens used to be. He's very aeradite.

1229
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 1: I'm not an atheist and I'm not a professional atheist.

1230
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:48,480
Speaker 1: But then he gets into a car accident and uh

1231
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:52,639
Speaker 1: he uh he's better at God for his eight year

1232
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 1: old son having died of cancer. I know what it

1233
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:58,600
Speaker 1: is to lose a son, so a lot of and

1234
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:01,519
Speaker 1: I was never better at God. I certainly know what

1235
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 1: the feelings are. I was in a really bad car

1236
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 1: accident in two thousand and thirteen where I got hit

1237
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 1: by a mack truck actually three times, and I was

1238
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:15,759
Speaker 1: in a convertible and should by all rights have been killed. Instead,

1239
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 1: I just suffered a fraction coll or bone collar bone

1240
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:22,559
Speaker 1: in a tone rotator cuff. But for three months I

1241
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 1: couldn't sleep, lying down. I had to sleep sitting up,

1242
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 1: and I was doped out of my mind on painkillers

1243
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 1: and muscle relaxants and being uh, having a lot of

1244
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:39,320
Speaker 1: sealed buddies the motto anything worth doing is worth doing

1245
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 1: to excess. I was washing them down with vodka. Uh.

1246
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 1: And I found that when you can't sleep, there's actually

1247
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:49,479
Speaker 1: nothing on television at three o'clock in the morning but

1248
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:54,760
Speaker 1: intommercials and so things would begin appearing at my door

1249
01:15:55,680 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 1: that I had no memory of buying. I evidently felt

1250
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 1: I needed to involk I. I own two dozen Miracle

1251
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:15,960
Speaker 1: mops cases in cases of that boxy cleaner craft I had.

1252
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 1: I had one time had three dozen boxes of sham

1253
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:26,160
Speaker 1: wows um and so and all that's in the movie

1254
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 1: and so Uh. That became a very personal movie to me.

1255
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 1: The history behind that was Kevin and Sam were pals.

1256
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 1: I knew them socially through a friend of mine named

1257
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:42,720
Speaker 1: Doug Schwartz, who's the guy who produced Baywatch. UM. So

1258
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 1: we knew each other, we liked each other. And then

1259
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:47,040
Speaker 1: one day Sam called me up and said, would you

1260
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 1: consider writing a movie with me? And I said no?

1261
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,560
Speaker 1: And she said why, I said, because I'm a professional,

1262
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 1: and you're not. And and I don't share my toys,

1263
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 1: and I don't work well with others, and I never

1264
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:01,599
Speaker 1: got those good grace and in her garden, so it's

1265
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:04,320
Speaker 1: a bad idea. She said, well, will you meet me

1266
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 1: for coffee? So I don't drink coffee. She said, well,

1267
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 1: will you just meet me? I said sure. So he

1268
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:13,759
Speaker 1: met and she told me the story, and I said, okay,

1269
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 1: here's what I'll do, And here are the conditions. Since

1270
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 1: it's a yes or no, you write the first draft

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Speaker 1: however you want to write it, because I think this

1272
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 1: is an interesting story, and I see room to sort

1273
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 1: of excise a number of demons of my own that

1274
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:36,720
Speaker 1: I've never exercised. And I wanted also to write the

1275
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:39,680
Speaker 1: story of Pala Buy named Michael Francis, who was a

1276
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:42,680
Speaker 1: mob guy who became a Christian minister. Who was I mean,

1277
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 1: he was literally a captain in the Colombo family. At

1278
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 1: one time. He was described by Forbes magazine as the

1279
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:54,840
Speaker 1: most successful mobster since al Capone in terms of how

1280
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:58,799
Speaker 1: much money he generated. Um and he's run a Christian

1281
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 1: ministry now for me some odd years since he got

1282
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:04,559
Speaker 1: out of the joint. And it is totally sincere in

1283
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:07,599
Speaker 1: his beliefs, and he's not one of these guys who

1284
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:10,719
Speaker 1: converted and then said, give me time off for good behavior.

1285
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 1: He found Christ in in in solitary, and he was

1286
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 1: put in solitary because he heard that his father, who

1287
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:22,000
Speaker 1: was also a captain in the Colombo family, had okayed

1288
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:26,679
Speaker 1: the contract on his life, and the the warden said,

1289
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:29,719
Speaker 1: we can't protect you in general population. So he spent

1290
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 1: three years in the hole. And a guard slipped a

1291
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 1: Bible under the wa and he said, that's the only

1292
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 1: thing I had to read. And he said, he said,

1293
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:45,040
Speaker 1: he said, you know, I'm a street guy. You know,

1294
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:48,680
Speaker 1: I never heard God's voice, and I didn't have no epiphany.

1295
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 1: I'm a street guy, you know. So I read the book,

1296
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 1: you know, and I made notes, he said, and it

1297
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:57,759
Speaker 1: comes down to one thing for me. I said, what's that, Michael?

1298
01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 1: He said, what happened to the body? He said, what?

1299
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:10,719
Speaker 1: He's a mob guy. He thinks about this. Stuffy approached Christ.

1300
01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 1: He said, all right, he said, this ain't brain surgery.

1301
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 1: Think about this. Jesus gets whacked, right, I said, you

1302
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:22,320
Speaker 1: never heard he put that way. But he says, all right,

1303
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:26,120
Speaker 1: he gets whacked. They stick him in a tomb tighter

1304
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 1: than him than a metal drum that you dropped. Johnny

1305
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:34,040
Speaker 1: roselian I said yeah. He says, okay, they opened up

1306
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 1: the tomb. I said yeah. He said, what happened to

1307
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 1: the body? And I said, interesting questions. He said, the

1308
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:47,679
Speaker 1: Romans got a problem because if anybody thinks that Jesus

1309
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 1: actually got resurrected, that's a mother of a miracle. There's

1310
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:54,639
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of converts. So the Romans don't

1311
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 1: want that, he says. The Romans were Italians. I know

1312
01:19:57,280 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 1: something about that, he says. So they they crucify upside

1313
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:06,000
Speaker 1: down the disciples, They skin him alive, they burn him

1314
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 1: over grace, he says, And not one guy rat it

1315
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 1: out what happened to the body. He said, I had

1316
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 1: the toughest crew in Bensonhurst, and any one of my

1317
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 1: guys would have rated out what happened. He said, So

1318
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 1: none of them broke rank. And literally this is how

1319
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:25,519
Speaker 1: he told him. He said, so none of them broke rank.

1320
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:27,759
Speaker 1: Not a one of them rat it out, no matter

1321
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:31,679
Speaker 1: how they were tortured. There's only one answer. This guy

1322
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:35,080
Speaker 1: was resurrected. And if he was resurrected, I had to

1323
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 1: cut a deal with him. So so I thought, that's

1324
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:41,720
Speaker 1: just a great character. And he became the sister in

1325
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:44,960
Speaker 1: the movie, and he tells his story in the movie

1326
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:47,360
Speaker 1: and it's him. He's not an actor, he's telling his story.

1327
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:49,760
Speaker 1: So this is strictly a movie. This is not a

1328
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:53,559
Speaker 1: book as well. That was the movie Let There Be Light,

1329
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:55,800
Speaker 1: and then I wrote the book of it. They'll say

1330
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:57,400
Speaker 1: that's what threw me off, because I did see a

1331
01:20:57,400 --> 01:21:00,840
Speaker 1: book there. Okay, so the book came after the book

1332
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 1: was you know, you do a book tie in with

1333
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:05,320
Speaker 1: with the movie to help push the movie, and the

1334
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:08,920
Speaker 1: book is the case with a lot of books. I

1335
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:10,760
Speaker 1: think the book is actually a little bit better than

1336
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 1: the movie. I might be prejudiced because you know, I

1337
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:16,240
Speaker 1: wrote it and got to do things in the book

1338
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:18,479
Speaker 1: that I just didn't have time to do in the movie.

1339
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:21,639
Speaker 1: But it's a it's a really great read. Whether you're

1340
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:25,960
Speaker 1: a Christian or not. It's it's actually a tremendously fun book,

1341
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:31,680
Speaker 1: and it's it's a good read. Um And now, uh So,

1342
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 1: anybody who wants to buy the movie can get it

1343
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 1: at Walmart, uh or at Amazon. Anybody wants to get

1344
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:41,240
Speaker 1: the book and get it on Amazon, um and it's

1345
01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 1: it's a good read. Uh. Day of the Dead Book

1346
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:47,880
Speaker 1: two is out there and it's a good read. And uh,

1347
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:51,040
Speaker 1: Kevin and Sam and I are starting our next movie

1348
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 1: in July, which is going to be called East Texas

1349
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:58,599
Speaker 1: Oil and it's the story of the nine East Texas

1350
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:02,680
Speaker 1: Oil strike in Kilgore, Texas, in which a couple of

1351
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:06,280
Speaker 1: old Khan man who basically made their living swindling widows

1352
01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:12,320
Speaker 1: um accidentally, through the grace of God's struck the largest

1353
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:16,720
Speaker 1: oil strike in the history of mankind. And and in

1354
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 1: the movie, that's what brings them to God. Uh. Not

1355
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 1: they became rich, but that every lie that they told,

1356
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:28,639
Speaker 1: no matter how hard they tried to lie, was the truth.

1357
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 1: You know, one of them says, I might be stupid,

1358
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:34,280
Speaker 1: but I'm not crazy. When I get slapped up the

1359
01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:37,040
Speaker 1: side of the head by ten miracles, I've paid attention.

1360
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 1: So will link to all that in the episode, because

1361
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:44,439
Speaker 1: I know people loved Day of the Dead Book one, Gaza,

1362
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:46,519
Speaker 1: and the last time we had Yawn was when you

1363
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 1: were releasing Book Too, so it has been a while.

1364
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:52,320
Speaker 1: I have one last question for you, unless Jack has

1365
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 1: anything else. By the way, Book two is really, really

1366
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:57,360
Speaker 1: a good read. I mean, it takes all of it

1367
01:22:57,400 --> 01:23:01,120
Speaker 1: takes place in Mexico and San Diego, and it's all

1368
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 1: Navy seals, and it's it's anybody who likes, you know,

1369
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:08,520
Speaker 1: a good Navy seal book up the alley of our listen. Absolutely.

1370
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 1: Um So, the last thing I was gonna ask you,

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01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:12,120
Speaker 1: I remember the last time that we had you on

1372
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 1: was when Thirteen Hours was released in theaters and your

1373
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:18,120
Speaker 1: feelings were you said, you know, it was a good film,

1374
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 1: but it really could have used a bigger star to

1375
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:23,080
Speaker 1: have made a bigger impact. As I mentioned in the intro,

1376
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 1: you've you've written some incredible films that were critically acclaimed

1377
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:29,880
Speaker 1: and award winning, like The Hurricane, And if people haven't

1378
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 1: seen The Hurricane with Denzel Washington, it's an incredible film.

1379
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:36,360
Speaker 1: I really recommend people see it. So, just from your

1380
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 1: perspective from a guy who's written some huge name films,

1381
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 1: what what do you think is wrong with the modern

1382
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:44,720
Speaker 1: day war movies coming out? Because I don't think we've

1383
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:47,840
Speaker 1: had a hit with such a major impact in a while,

1384
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:51,000
Speaker 1: And like, what's the next big thing that needs to

1385
01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:56,280
Speaker 1: happen To have a hit Hollywood combat movie? You need

1386
01:23:56,320 --> 01:24:00,360
Speaker 1: a movie star. I mean, you've got to have, you know,

1387
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:05,800
Speaker 1: either Bradley Cooper like American Sniper, or Mark Wahlberg like

1388
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:09,679
Speaker 1: uh Lone survivor if you're going to do a big

1389
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:12,559
Speaker 1: budget movie, which you you've got to spend money when

1390
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:15,600
Speaker 1: you do a war movie. Michael Bay I think was

1391
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:18,679
Speaker 1: a bit arrogant. He thought, because he was the director,

1392
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:23,719
Speaker 1: he didn't need to have, you know, a major star,

1393
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 1: even Clint Eastwood, for whom I have the greatest respect

1394
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 1: and in fact live in terror of, because he once

1395
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 1: tried to break out the windshield of my car when

1396
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 1: I parked in his parking space at War Brothers a

1397
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:42,800
Speaker 1: long time ago, and I was doing Passenger fifty seven.

1398
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:46,760
Speaker 1: It was really he was mayor mayor of Monterey at

1399
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:49,559
Speaker 1: that time, and there were only twelve parking spots in

1400
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:51,840
Speaker 1: that in that building, and if you didn't get one

1401
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:53,679
Speaker 1: of those toll spots, you had to take a shuttle

1402
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:55,800
Speaker 1: that was a mile away. And I was late food meeting,

1403
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:58,479
Speaker 1: and I'd always asked the guard is Clinton town Er?

1404
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 1: Is he of Monterey? And the guards said, now he's

1405
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:05,200
Speaker 1: in Monterey. So I pulled my little NSX into Clint

1406
01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:08,519
Speaker 1: spot and I get out with my notebook and my script,

1407
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:10,880
Speaker 1: and I'm late for the notes meeting. I was doing.

1408
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:15,639
Speaker 1: That's what I was doing, passenger and uh, I start

1409
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:17,800
Speaker 1: to get out of my car and a guy pulls

1410
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 1: up behind me in a pickup truck and he's he

1411
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 1: gets out and he's a big guy in jeans and

1412
01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 1: a T shirt and he's got a crowbar in his hand.

1413
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 1: And I'm kind of getting ready to okay, I've got

1414
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 1: a jerk behind me with a crowbar, and then I

1415
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 1: realized it's Clint Eastwood. Oh, Mr Eastwood. I said, gosh,

1416
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:40,920
Speaker 1: I'm such a huge fan of yours. And I start

1417
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 1: rattling off his films right, and he just looked at

1418
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:47,759
Speaker 1: me and he went, get the funk out of my spot.

1419
01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:57,679
Speaker 1: And it's dirty, hairy, you know. And I and uh

1420
01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 1: so I jammed on out of there, and I was

1421
01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 1: told I was very lucky because he had a habit

1422
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:05,760
Speaker 1: of breaking out the windshields of anybody who took a spot.

1423
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 1: And no one's going to jump bad with him because

1424
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:10,560
Speaker 1: he's plent. Eastwood twenty years later he was going to

1425
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:14,439
Speaker 1: exact produce a movie of mine and we we meet,

1426
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:19,599
Speaker 1: um and uh, I say, actually, we've met once before,

1427
01:26:20,280 --> 01:26:22,519
Speaker 1: he said, yeah, I know, where'd you park this time?

1428
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:29,479
Speaker 1: So he just has a memory bite like an iron trap.

1429
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:31,880
Speaker 1: But when he did that movie about the guys who

1430
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:35,280
Speaker 1: were on the train, and he decided to use the

1431
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:40,080
Speaker 1: real guys, yeah, I haven't seen it the movie. Well,

1432
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:43,639
Speaker 1: nobody else did either. That's the whole problem. You've got

1433
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:45,240
Speaker 1: to have a movie star if you're going to do

1434
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:48,960
Speaker 1: a movie. So when if I do a little low

1435
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:54,200
Speaker 1: budget film with Kevin Sorbo, Kevin's an established star from television.

1436
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:56,800
Speaker 1: He has a good name, he can get on talk radio.

1437
01:26:56,880 --> 01:27:00,400
Speaker 1: He's not a Mark Walberg. But I have learned that

1438
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:02,679
Speaker 1: the trick for me is make the movie cheap enough.

1439
01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:05,000
Speaker 1: If I can make a movie for two and a

1440
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 1: half three million dollars and at the end of the

1441
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:13,639
Speaker 1: day the movie makes all in all fifteen million dollars

1442
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:18,040
Speaker 1: in Hollywood, they'd say, oh pooh wow, what a flop.

1443
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:21,720
Speaker 1: That's a nice business to be in. You know. I'll

1444
01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:24,479
Speaker 1: split that that profit with my partners all day long

1445
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:27,960
Speaker 1: and live extremely well. And I don't have a studio

1446
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:32,200
Speaker 1: looking over my shoulder, and I don't have I'm sure

1447
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:34,720
Speaker 1: over my shoulder, and I get to make a good

1448
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:36,920
Speaker 1: little movie that tells a good story and have a

1449
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:41,200
Speaker 1: very happy life. So that's sort of the direction that

1450
01:27:41,240 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 1: I've gone in because I don't do superhero movies. I

1451
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:47,800
Speaker 1: just just not what I do. I was offered the

1452
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:50,400
Speaker 1: first Transformers and I turned it down and said, I

1453
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:53,160
Speaker 1: don't know what to do with this. I said, I

1454
01:27:53,479 --> 01:27:55,400
Speaker 1: don't have anything to bring to the table. I'm sure

1455
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:57,479
Speaker 1: it'll be a huge hit movie. It's just I'm the

1456
01:27:57,479 --> 01:28:00,559
Speaker 1: wrong guy. It's not what I do. Well, Hey, we

1457
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:03,200
Speaker 1: appreciate you going so long with us, well over an hour,

1458
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 1: and the next time you have a project, definitely what

1459
01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:08,000
Speaker 1: a snow. I mean, we love having you on. I

1460
01:28:08,040 --> 01:28:10,320
Speaker 1: know the audience will take this has been very illuminating.

1461
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:14,519
Speaker 1: Well anytime, And like I said, I think it's I think.

1462
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:17,479
Speaker 1: I think that the media has blood on their hands

1463
01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:22,360
Speaker 1: because Hamas uses them as a willing collaborator, and when

1464
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:27,799
Speaker 1: they print stories that distort what happened, they encourage Hamas

1465
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:31,639
Speaker 1: to do it again. And they literally consigned Palestinian children

1466
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 1: to their debts. And I don't know how they sleep

1467
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:37,479
Speaker 1: at night. Dan, I wasn't kidding. I'll give you I'll

1468
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 1: drop you online because I definitely go in bed with

1469
01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:44,120
Speaker 1: the I d F any any time, and I'll hook

1470
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:46,880
Speaker 1: you up with the I d F military spokesperson. I

1471
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:49,479
Speaker 1: knew that I know the new commander of the Foreign

1472
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:55,960
Speaker 1: Media Service, so that's that's easy. Um. It's just that,

1473
01:28:56,080 --> 01:29:01,280
Speaker 1: you know, when they have big events like this, Um

1474
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:05,320
Speaker 1: they were bleeds. It leaves they'll they weren't even interested

1475
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:07,559
Speaker 1: in being on our side of the fence. You know,

1476
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:11,439
Speaker 1: you just didn't see him, which is it's um, it's

1477
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:14,479
Speaker 1: irresponsible if you're able to cover both sides, like I

1478
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Speaker 1: would even go and cover you know, I've been to

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Speaker 1: Syria a couple of times in Iraq covering it as

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Speaker 1: a journalist, and I mean I would go and cover

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Speaker 1: things from the ices side if I could. Obviously that's

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01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:25,920
Speaker 1: not possible. I'm going to get my head sawed off.

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Speaker 1: But as a journalist, if you can't cover both sides,

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Speaker 1: you really should absolutely absolutely, Um. But there you know,

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Speaker 1: I hate to remind people of it, but there actually

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Speaker 1: was a time, and I'm just talking about covering American

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Speaker 1: military actions when American war correspondence wore uniform. You take

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Speaker 1: a look at any of the American corresponse during World

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Speaker 1: War Two, They were in American uniform. Who who is

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Speaker 1: that young propaganda who's that young female journe the list

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Speaker 1: that she actually jumped in with American paratroopers in Vietnam.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember her name for the life of me.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, they used to do things like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:13,120
Speaker 1: and and those days are long past, and I think

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01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:16,520
Speaker 1: it's a shame. I think that you have. Most journalists

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Speaker 1: have written their narrative before they get to the battlefield,

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Speaker 1: depending upon what their political ideology is. That's very common unfortunately. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: pleasure talking to you guys, and I love to your audience. Uh.

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Speaker 1: They're all good guys and brother and sister warriors, and uh,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys having me on. Absolutely. We'll do

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Speaker 1: it against soon, all right, appreciate it. Well that was

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Speaker 1: that was interesting, and you know what, to be honest,

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01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:46,920
Speaker 1: and I think you have the same feeling as me

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01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:49,639
Speaker 1: when I do see the conflict going on in Israel

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01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:53,680
Speaker 1: and you know, the celebration over the new embassy. I

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01:30:53,720 --> 01:30:56,240
Speaker 1: do tend to read a lot of the headlines. I

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01:30:56,280 --> 01:30:58,679
Speaker 1: have not heard it in depth perspective of what went

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01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 1: on from someone who's there like this, so it gives

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01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:05,640
Speaker 1: a lot more context. Obviously, Dan is not an objective

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01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:08,160
Speaker 1: guy on this situation, but at the same time, he

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Speaker 1: went into great detail of what, when, what went on,

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Speaker 1: the names involved, and I think he makes a great

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Speaker 1: argument for his side. I know that there's gonna be

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Speaker 1: people listening on the other side of the fence on that,

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Speaker 1: and we're always welcome. We're always welcome for anybody to

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Speaker 1: come on. So yeah, I mean, I think there's definitely, well,

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Speaker 1: specifically with the Israeli Palestinian conflict. I mean, there's ten

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Speaker 1: sides to that story. It's like an intensely complicated topic.

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01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:36,799
Speaker 1: And um, you know, there's plenty of blame to go around,

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Speaker 1: but I mean to to really like understand conflicts, you like,

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01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:42,680
Speaker 1: you have to kind of take a step back from

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01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:46,040
Speaker 1: the blame game, you know. Um, And you know, I

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Speaker 1: appreciate Dan's insight on things and how it played out

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Speaker 1: there because as you go and you try to figure

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01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:53,760
Speaker 1: out what's going on, I mean, the Israeli side of

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01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:56,280
Speaker 1: the stories should be part of you know, what you

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Speaker 1: look at absolutely, and I haven't heard all of that

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Speaker 1: that he said. I that there was the controversy over

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Speaker 1: that baby, but I didn't hear in full details. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so um, and I actually do think it would be

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Speaker 1: really cool if you guys get hooked up somehow and

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01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:13,360
Speaker 1: get to go over there to Israel. Very very interesting.

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Speaker 1: And we have a writer in Israel, so I he's

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Speaker 1: usually in Europe, but yeah, yeah, but ISRAELI d yeah,

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Speaker 1: so uh yeah, man, Um, I would love to see

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Speaker 1: that happen. Yeah, you haven't done any like on the

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Speaker 1: ground reporting and probably what three well know, the last

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Speaker 1: time is South Korea, so the Philippines. Yeah so that

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Speaker 1: was last year, last year. Alright, so sometimes this is

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Speaker 1: know Danielle recently did one. Hopefully we'll have her soon

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Speaker 1: back on the podcast. It's been a while. We always

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Speaker 1: like hearing from her. Um and then actually Memorial Day

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Speaker 1: coming up, we have the Verses and Curses Tour, which

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Speaker 1: is gonna be going across the East coast, but we'll

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Speaker 1: be there. I know Jack will be there, Jim West

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Speaker 1: as well. I'll be there. Uh ma emtal Luni's time

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Speaker 1: square not to be confused with out what I'm gonna read. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: now I feel like I'm under the guns suddenly. I

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Speaker 1: up real fast. I wonder what Jim West is gonna

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Speaker 1: read because I just brought it up to him, like

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen you in awhile I should come out

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Speaker 1: and he's like, I want to read Jim's gonna read

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Speaker 1: James Joyce love Letters. No, you know, he's not kidding.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what he's you know, no knowing Jim.

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Speaker 1: I'll go there with like very He'll be reading for

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Speaker 1: like an hour. I'm thinking of his best man's speech.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I love seeing Jim. I haven't seen him

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Speaker 1: in a few months. Um. So yeah, if you're in

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Speaker 1: New York City, if you're on the East Coast, I

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Speaker 1: know they're doing like Pennsylvania, d C. I believe Florida.

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Speaker 1: You can just go to Leo Jenkins Instagram. It's at

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Speaker 1: Leo Underscore Jenkins. Um. Also, the spec Ops TV app

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Speaker 1: is available on the iPhone, but if you have an Android,

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Speaker 1: will be available early next month. And I should mention

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Speaker 1: on soft Wrap is the article we talked about the

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Speaker 1: last podcast where it's like kind of a long in depth,

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01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:23,880
Speaker 1: uh sort of a pseudo after action review just based

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Speaker 1: on what we know publicly about the Nigeri ambush and

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Speaker 1: you know d O d put together that whole film. Um,

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Speaker 1: that kind of breaks it down. So I wrote about that,

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Speaker 1: and then I wrote another article that should probably be

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Speaker 1: out before the weekend, and it's about Memorial Day and

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Speaker 1: it's called why It's Okay to have a barbecue. It's

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Speaker 1: I believe, No, it's not really. I saw this up.

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Speaker 1: I wrote it this morning. Why do I feel like

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Speaker 1: I saw this? I could be just wrong? Here? Did

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Speaker 1: you did you mention something about this on your on

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Speaker 1: your social media? I'm pretty I'm gonna look up a

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Speaker 1: site right now. I mean you would probably know better

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Speaker 1: than me. You are the editor in treet for the website.

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Speaker 1: But I could have sworn I saw this. No, all right,

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01:37:07,479 --> 01:37:10,040
Speaker 1: well then it'll be up soon. But I'm like losing

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Speaker 1: my mind here because I saw something about that it's

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Speaker 1: okay to have a barbecue, folks, enjoy yourself. I'm losing

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Speaker 1: my mind here because I know I saw it this morning.

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Speaker 1: I really what if I go to your author page

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Speaker 1: on here? Where is your Is it just soccer dot

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Speaker 1: com slash Jack Murphy or let's see, by the way, yeah,

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01:37:34,439 --> 01:37:36,759
Speaker 1: we do have to have Alex songs back on because

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01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:39,960
Speaker 1: the his fitness column is blowing up. People love it,

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Speaker 1: all right, maybe not, I swear I think I saw it,

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Speaker 1: So it'll be up before this weekend. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: it'll cry be up sometime during the you know, late

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01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:52,760
Speaker 1: this week or over the weekend. Cool, all right. Next episode,

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Speaker 1: we have Leo Jenkins on to promote his event Awesome.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it. And while we're there at

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Speaker 1: the event on Monday, I'll probably get some audio and

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Speaker 1: throw that into the show. Hold on, cool, we roll,

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