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Speaker 3: After this, you've got a great all star show going

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Speaker 1: Why has it always been presented that way my whole life?

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Speaker 5: cultural values. They could all get together and say this

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Speaker 5: much socialism is okay, but if you exploit the system,

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Speaker 4: Okay, we agree.

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Speaker 1: Well, just like on the sexual stuff, So you start

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Speaker 1: handle it. Now, porn is everywhere, absolutely everywhere, all the time,

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Speaker 1: everybody's seen it at every age. M Is there any reasons,

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Speaker 1: including acts that aren't ever done in the bedroom only

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Speaker 1: by circus performers. Anyway, you really have to have really

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Speaker 1: what you're talking depending what you're picturing. Is there any

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Speaker 1: reason to think we won't have in my lifetime? Assuming

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Speaker 1: I live thirty more years, that's ninety twenty more years.

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Speaker 1: That's only eighty twenty five more years, um, predicting my lifespan.

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Speaker 1: Is there any reason to think that we won't have

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Speaker 1: at a concert and that people cheering it could happen, Katie,

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Speaker 1: any reason to think that won't happen? I mean, if

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Speaker 1: it's not out of the question. I don't see what's

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Speaker 1: going to arrest the direction we're on right right, And

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Speaker 1: plenty of you'd say, what's the harm if people who

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Speaker 1: are you know, if it's adults and people you know

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Speaker 1: paid the ticket? Be and look at Pride in San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: That happens every year good point, very good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Actually yeah, well, and I've been to a live sex

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Speaker 5: years was about the least sexy thing I've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: Right, Why was that? How many? First of all, okay,

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Speaker 1: set the stage, as they say in the stage setting business.

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Speaker 4: What people?

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Speaker 1: How many people are in this club?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 3: God?

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Speaker 1: Crowded crowd?

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Speaker 4: Remember it?

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Speaker 1: Seedy place? Nice place?

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Speaker 5: My recollection was there were a couple, two, three dozen, okay,

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Speaker 1: Okay, So it's like it's like we're at a okay,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we were. It was in a way.

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Speaker 5: And then a man and woman come out on stage,

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Speaker 5: I remember this.

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Speaker 4: Pardon me?

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Speaker 1: Are you clapping? Is there music?

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Speaker 4: I don't remember? I really don't remember. Yeah, I'm sure

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Speaker 4: there was music.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but both of them walk out like they're walking

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Speaker 4: They got robes on. They doff the robes.

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Speaker 5: They they go to it, the you know, switching positions

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Speaker 1: What is there a bed or are they on the stage.

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Speaker 5: It was some sort of platform, some sort of reasonably

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Speaker 5: this is over, and she's like got a blank look

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Speaker 4: And it was like, what are we doing here.

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Speaker 5: Getting the touristas to give up a few shekels to

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Speaker 5: come with take in what sounds like a great idea

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Speaker 5: and is absolutely not.

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Speaker 1: Wonder what that paid for the performers obviously not enough

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Speaker 1: if they looked like that while they were doing it, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: The news today.

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Speaker 5: Target right is telling their their employees, Hey, if customer's

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Speaker 5: near you, smile at him, give them a pleasant look,

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Speaker 5: don't look like you're in an Amsterdam sex show.

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Speaker 4: Used like a piece of meat.

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Speaker 6: Was there like a bell and then they would switch

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Speaker 6: positions or you know, like Dan there, pros Michael.

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Speaker 4: They didn't need to be tall.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and how long did you sit there? And did.

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Speaker 5: Not terribly long because they would come out and like

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Speaker 5: crowd or whatever. All right, that's great, super and then

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Speaker 5: you know people would leave. I get as I recall

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Speaker 1: That witally, you see what we do next act the

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Speaker 1: point I get you to buy drinks, probably keep you

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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, if you like that. No, I

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Speaker 5: actually didn't. And I'm a big fan of the Beast

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Speaker 5: with two backs. But no, that was terrible. That reminded

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Speaker 5: me of how dehumanizing quote unquote sex work is.

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Speaker 4: That's what it did.

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Speaker 5: I was there with my coworkers too, which is kind

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Speaker 1: As I recall, did you put that? Did you put

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Speaker 1: that on the expense card?

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Speaker 4: I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: Did the company pay for that? This company know what

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Speaker 1: they may have team building building?

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Speaker 5: It was team building because we were all like, what

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Speaker 5: the f was that? That was back in the day

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Speaker 5: when you liked your coworkers and had inside jokes and

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Speaker 5: a couple watch strangers forticate on a stage. Those were

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Speaker 5: better times.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, jack, am I undermining your point here.

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Speaker 1: You should have heckled act like you enjoy it, Good Lord,

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Speaker 1: not tonight.

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Speaker 4: I have a headache. Just say that if you don't

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Speaker 4: want to do this, this sucks. Boo. You call yourself

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Speaker 4: a forticator Boooo.

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Speaker 6: All right, I have a theory. The decline happened when

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Speaker 6: we got color TV. Because it made life seem more exciting.

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Speaker 6: People went out. They started doing drugs and non sexual positions.

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Speaker 1: So that so blame color TV. Well, I guess that's it.

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Speaker 3: Boo.