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Speaker 2: It's playoff League, baby, Yes, sir, the place, sir, it

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Speaker 1: How you doing today? I'm good. I'm very cold. It

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Speaker 2: You know, we got a surprise eight inch snowfall the

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Speaker 1: That he's more diminutive.

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Speaker 2: He looked tiny by comparison. This is not to take

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Speaker 1: But Diego Pavia, to me, the combination of his dual

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Speaker 1: I like to award a coolness factor, like I take

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Speaker 1: Fernando Mendoza was excellent. And we all know that there's

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Speaker 1: Fernando Mendoza was excellent and every bit earned the Heisman.

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Speaker 1: My vote would have been Diego Pavia because I just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, personally, and again not to take anything away from

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Speaker 2: he's improved. He got a lot better as a passer.

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Speaker 2: This is a better Vandy team than it was a

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Speaker 1: They didn't, but kudos to him.

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Speaker 2: Kudos to Fernana Mendoz is a very big deal for

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Speaker 2: him after he transfers over from cal It's a very

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Speaker 1: Look, they're ring.

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Speaker 2: This is only year two two under Kurt Signetti, and

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Speaker 2: It's a really, really good time to be a Hoosier fan.

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Speaker 2: And honestly, I just going through some of this playoff

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Speaker 2: father's Indiana. This is a very very good Indiana team

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Speaker 2: that's got a lot of balance and a bunch of

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Speaker 2: different ways to beat you, both on offense defense, and

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Speaker 2: Mendoza that has done this season is certainly a testament

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Speaker 2: to that. So good job to him, Good job to

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Speaker 2: all of the competitors here that made it to New York.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Fernanda Mendoza, your twenty twenty five Heisman Trophy winner.

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Speaker 1: Is he the only or one of the only Heisman

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Speaker 1: winners or finalists who have like a robust linked in account.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen that from him? That he's has internships

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Speaker 1: and he's talked about being proficient in Excel. I think

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Speaker 1: making up all of this. This is probably like eighty

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Speaker 1: first of all, I'm raising my hand right now, not

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Speaker 1: quite some time. I'm alright, I can, I can, so

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Speaker 1: you'd say proficient. Oh, I'm definitely proficient.

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Speaker 2: Mendoze levels with it.

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Speaker 1: But you didn't. You didn't exaggerate anything on your LinkedIn profile,

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Speaker 1: Dan oh, and that is heating up on this cold,

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Speaker 1: should be competing to be you know, all big ten,

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Speaker 1: all SEC whatever. And in the case of like Aiden

433
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Speaker 1: Childs at Michigan State coming over with Jonathan Smith and

434
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Speaker 1: from the West Coast, that they're being paid on a

435
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Speaker 1: certain level and the production and results aren't meeting it,

436
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Speaker 1: and behind the scenes, the money people are like, I

437
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Speaker 1: don't think we want to pay this dude one point

438
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Speaker 1: eight million dollars. I don't think we want to pay

439
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Speaker 1: this dude nine hundred and twelve thousand dollars. And so

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not saying that these quarterbacks all

441
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Speaker 1: wanted to stay, but I think in this era there

442
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Speaker 1: are some like salary cap decisions that are at play here,

443
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Speaker 1: and so that wouldn't surprise me. Obviously, Kenny minshe is

444
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Speaker 1: a different case because he didn't play at Notre Dame,

445
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Speaker 1: but I think he is heralded as you know, potentially

446
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Speaker 1: valuable dude in the way that Steve Angeli showed a

447
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Speaker 1: good amount of flash at Syracuse early on in the season.

448
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I and hiss of Brandon Sorez. But he

449
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Speaker 1: was very good for Cincinnati a lot of the time,

450
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Speaker 1: and so I think he's looking to see what his

451
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Speaker 1: market is, perhaps at a bigger place. But all these

452
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Speaker 1: situations are different. But when you look at like Ryola Lagway,

453
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Speaker 1: it was like new coach going to like sign off

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Speaker 1: on that maybe not, maybe not. You start off and

455
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Speaker 1: find your own guy who fits what you want to do,

456
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Speaker 1: maybe a little bit better, and you didn't recruit him.

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Speaker 1: That's what's at play here to me. And I guess

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Speaker 1: Bryce Underwood would be another domino here because whoever is

459
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Speaker 1: the new Michigan coach is not the guy who recruited him,

460
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Speaker 1: and is you know, not going to be running a

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Speaker 1: system necessarily that was sold to Bryce Underwood. We'll see.

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Speaker 1: So we a lot of eight potential names out there, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: So Soresby is also exploring whether or not to go pro,

464
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Speaker 2: which is an.

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Speaker 1: Option for him.

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Speaker 2: But as you said, had a really really good year

467
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Speaker 2: that the two things that kept bouncing around in my head.

468
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Speaker 2: A is Royl going to go to Texas Tech and

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Speaker 2: complete them a home cycle. I could see them being

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Speaker 2: in a sort of now, despite the fact that Texas

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Speaker 2: Tech people don't like us talk about this openly. They've

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Speaker 2: got the money man there obviously willing to spend. We'll

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Speaker 2: see how it goes for him this year in the

474
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Speaker 2: college football playoff, but I think they have aspirations to

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Speaker 2: be more of a fixture than just a one time thing.

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Speaker 1: I did joke in like early October that DJ, I

477
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Speaker 1: know you did go to Texas Tech.

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Speaker 2: I know, and we're closer. We're closer, So I want

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Speaker 2: to see what Iol ends up. I'm curious to see

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Speaker 2: what the market looks like for him. Certainly there will

481
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Speaker 2: be plenty of suitors again, whether you think he's good

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Speaker 2: or not.

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Speaker 1: The Lagway thing. By the way, I did buy extra

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Speaker 1: storage in my Gmail inbox for all the apologies that

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Speaker 1: will come in from the brass so I do you

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Speaker 1: won't be getting like the bounce back like this inbox

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Speaker 1: is full kind of thing. I did, you know, get

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Speaker 1: out ahead of that.

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Speaker 2: The Lagway thing, I think is crushing for Florida people.

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Speaker 2: And that's not even to say that DJ Lagway was

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Speaker 2: all that good the second half of the year. There

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Speaker 2: was a lot going on there, mind you, and they

493
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Speaker 2: were injured and so there. It's a little bit more

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Speaker 2: nuanced than to just say DJ Lagway wasn't very good.

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Speaker 2: But there were definite games this year where it's like

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Speaker 2: this dude kind of seems like he's getting worse. He's

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Speaker 2: making some bad decisions. He had bright spots. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I still think the ceiling for him is extraordinarily high.

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Speaker 2: He might be the number one guy in the portal.

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Speaker 2: But Layne Kiffin, I'll get it all fixed. I just

501
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Speaker 2: remember we talked with our friend David Waters from Gator's Breakdown. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and he painted the picture of DJ Lagway being a

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Speaker 2: Florida guy through and through, like just love the university

504
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Speaker 2: and it at the time we spoke, was hard for

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Speaker 2: him to come up with a situation where Lagway would

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Speaker 2: want to leave. But the vultures are out when the

507
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Speaker 2: coach gets fired. Clearly there is money to be spent.

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Speaker 1: And he's not local, He's not local to the state

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Speaker 1: of Florida.

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Speaker 2: Correct, yeah, correct, So long story short, he is another

511
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Speaker 2: name that I think is going to be supremely interesting

512
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Speaker 2: and there are going to be more to follow. Whether

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Speaker 2: it's Levitt where you always have a couple guys that

514
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Speaker 2: are unexpected, maybe Lagway rises to that level. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: For me, kind of does a little bit. I didn't

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Speaker 2: expect that he'd be jumping in the portal this quickly.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious to see who else follows suit, because we

518
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Speaker 2: know there will be many surprises here to follow.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, some of these guys might jump

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Speaker 1: back to their team, they might negotiate, they might have

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Speaker 1: a change of heart, they might reconnect with somebody that's

522
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Speaker 1: a new coach or a new coordinator or something and

523
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Speaker 1: feel like, you know what, maybe that place wasn't so

524
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Speaker 1: bad after all. I am not.

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Speaker 2: I am still not used to seeing the posts on

526
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Speaker 2: social media talking about players renegotiating their contracts, like Lenora's Sellars.

527
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Speaker 2: It was sort of a new story within the last

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Speaker 2: forty eight hours or so that Leonoris is in the

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Speaker 2: process of renegotiating his deal with South Carolina to stay put.

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Speaker 2: I've seen a couple other such posts around college football,

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Speaker 2: various players renegotiate. USC was one that held onto a

532
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Speaker 2: couple guys I think on defense. So new era, it

533
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Speaker 2: is definitely requiring us to rethink how we treat the

534
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Speaker 2: sport and think about the sport and talk about the sport.

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Speaker 2: But this is just where we're at, and you're right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you're right. It could absolutely mean that some of these

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Speaker 2: guys are coming back. Maybe they just want to test

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Speaker 2: the waters.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look to see what their leverage is. It's entirely possible.

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Speaker 1: We saw that with what Oklahoma and one of their

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Speaker 1: prize defensive linemen last portal cycle and he decided to return,

542
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Speaker 1: I want to say, David Stone. So yeah, all fascinating stuff.

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Speaker 1: And the portal hasn't even technically opened yet. No, so

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Speaker 1: I want to say the portal is open longer for

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Speaker 1: players playing in the National Championship as well. They extend

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Speaker 1: and that timeline for them. So even though the portal

547
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Speaker 1: is like that first week or so in January, it

548
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Speaker 1: does extend a little bit farther out as well to

549
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Speaker 1: give some of those guys added time to figure out

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Speaker 1: their future. So yeah, there will continue to be big

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Speaker 1: names in especially as you know, this has been a

552
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Speaker 1: pretty active coaching carousel cycle. This is Tie's favorite time

553
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Speaker 1: for good reason. I love it.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I was looking at a bunch of

555
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Speaker 2: stuff just our coaching carousel game to see how many

556
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Speaker 2: openings there were, and we're up till like seventeen wow.

557
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Speaker 2: Four openings so far this year. Many of them have

558
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Speaker 2: been filled. Most of them have been filled. There was

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Speaker 2: one other one that we found out about and it

560
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 2: wasn't a huge surprise, but it was notable. Kyle Whittingham

561
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Speaker 2: saw that going to be stepping away at Utaw. They

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Speaker 2: of course had a coach in waiting in Morgan Scaley,

563
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Speaker 2: and he's going to be taken over the reins.

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Speaker 1: I saw.

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Speaker 2: Stu mandel Or, a friend from the Athletic pointed out

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Speaker 2: that Kyle Whittingham is not full on retiring. He is

567
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Speaker 2: willing to entertain other offers if one comes available. What

568
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Speaker 2: that means is anyone's guess, but he will not be

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Speaker 2: the coach at Utah next year. Kyle Whittingham steps away

570
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Speaker 2: after a really, really brilliant career as Utah coach. Was

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Speaker 2: very solid for a long time in Salt Lake, but

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Speaker 2: going to pass the torch now to Morgan Scalley, yes.

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Speaker 1: Who has been a long time defensive coordinator, and Kyle Whittingham.

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Speaker 1: The wording I saw was stepping down. Stepping is very

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Speaker 1: carefully worded, stepping down, not retiring. So a lot of

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Speaker 1: people will quick to point out, like, oh, the mischie

577
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Speaker 1: like Kyle Whittingham's not going to Michigan him. He just

578
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Speaker 1: does not seem like a fit at all. And I

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Speaker 1: think Kyle Whittingham will be a fit for literally every school.

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Speaker 1: But I think that would be the last thing you

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Speaker 1: would want in his position right now, when maybe he

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Speaker 1: will take some time before figure out what he's going

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Speaker 1: to do next. But uh, that seems seems hot, tie,

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Speaker 1: Isn't that the like that's a it's a place that's

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Speaker 1: hot and in a good way, in a but not

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Speaker 1: so good way. So I can't see that right now.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, we're seeing a lot of like staff movement

588
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Speaker 1: around the sport as well, new coaches making coordinator hires

589
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: in the coordinator shuffling game, a lot of interesting hires

590
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Speaker 1: all over the place. You know, Blake Baker's sticking around LSU,

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00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: will Stein's making hires at Kentucky. Same goes for Auburn.

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Speaker 1: You know, DJ Diurkins sticking around for Alex golesh Florida's

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Speaker 1: making hires, Virginia Tech's making hires, James Franklin, Matt Campbell's

594
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: making hires Penn State. So this is the actual part.

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Speaker 1: I think what Jim Knowle's going to Tennessee because Tim

596
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Speaker 1: Banks was let go. So I kind of love the

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Speaker 1: coordinator part of this all more than I love the

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Speaker 1: head coach, because that sort of lets my imagination run

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Speaker 1: a little bit more. I saw Jay Bateman is on

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Speaker 1: his way leaving at Texas A and m never been

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Speaker 1: a Jay Bateman guy, but no, I know that he's

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Speaker 1: He's sort of well traveled at this point. But no,

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Speaker 1: I really do. I think that there was smoke around

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Speaker 1: what Kendall Brile's at South Carolina right, but nothing is

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Speaker 1: official there, And Shane Biemer was like sort of pumping

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Speaker 1: the brakes and everybody getting over their skis. So I

607
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Speaker 1: do I really like all that movement to see how

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Speaker 1: how places are evaluating these guys. Dan, we got playoff games, yes,

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Speaker 1: we don't time of the week. We got four of them.

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Speaker 1: They start on Friday night.

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Speaker 2: We'll get back to you guys before long and let

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Speaker 2: you know if we're doing any kind of live watch

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Speaker 2: along situation. Yes, Friday Night, the Big One at eight

614
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Speaker 2: pm on ABC and ESPN, called by Chris Fowler and

615
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Speaker 2: Kirk kurb Street. It is the nine seed the Alabama

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Speaker 2: Crimson tied at a mark of ten and three, a

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Speaker 2: one and a half point road favorite against the eight

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Speaker 2: seed Oklahoma Sooners, who finished their year ten and two

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Speaker 2: of note. Oklahoma's won the last two meetings between these teams.

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Speaker 2: I believe, and I do need to fact check this,

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Speaker 2: so forgive me if I get this wrong. I believe

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Speaker 2: that Oklahoma would be the first team in history if

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Speaker 2: they win. Yeah, to beat Alabama three times in two seasons, Man,

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Speaker 2: that would be wild new world. Man got all sorts

625
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Speaker 2: of new stuff going on. Oklahoma did win the first

626
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Speaker 2: time that these teams played, back in week twelve, mid

627
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Speaker 2: November twenty three to twenty one. That game took place

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Speaker 2: in Tuscaloosa.

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Speaker 1: I went back. I rewatched it.

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Speaker 2: Wanted to get the flavor for what went down. Story

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Speaker 2: of the game was Oklahoma getting seventeen points off turnovers.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing. Even though they won this game on the.

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Speaker 2: Road, which is an impressive win. Their post game expectancy

634
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 2: was only five percent, which means if you run it

635
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Speaker 2: back through the computer, if you get it to spit

636
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 2: out an adjusted scoring margin, the computer says that Alabama

637
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Speaker 2: was twelve points better.

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Speaker 1: For whatever that's worth, tea right, because of what Oklahoma

639
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: really couldn't accomplish on offense. That's correct. If they played

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Speaker 1: this game out one hundred times, with Oklahoma accomplishing what

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00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: they could on offense and obviously what they did on defense,

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00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: the outcome ninety five out of one hundred times is

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Speaker 1: Alabama's Alabama.

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Speaker 2: That's her comfortable margin. Now, the numbers don't mean everything,

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Speaker 2: They don't mean everything. That's why they play. That's why

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Speaker 2: they play. Does hint though, that Alabama, you know, had

647
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Speaker 2: a little bit of bad luck Oklahoma a little bit

648
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 2: lucky in that first matchup. Now, that said, the counterpoint here,

649
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 2: Alabama's offense has not been as killer over the back

650
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 2: half of the schedule. No, over the back half of

651
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 2: the extreme back half of the schedule, throughout the month

652
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 2: of November to present.

653
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: They haven't looked like a playoff team since like week seven,

654
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: week eight, somewhere in there. Yeah, if you take out

655
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: that Eastern Illinois game LSU, Oklahoma, Auburn Georgia. In every case,

656
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: every case.

657
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 2: The offense fell short of whatever the pre game projections were.

658
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 2: So I bring this to you now asking this very

659
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: simple question. I said there was a little bit of

660
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: luck in that first game. How much luck was it really?

661
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 2: Or were teams just figuring out how to stop the

662
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 2: Alabama offense, which, as we've said time and again is

663
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: a very one dimensional, very dependent on ty Simpson.

664
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Speaker 1: I don't think it was luck because I think the

665
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: best thing in this game is the Oklahoma defense. I

666
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: think the single best unit, the single best experience in

667
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: terms of you know, football excellence or whatever, is what

668
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: Oklahoma fields on defense. That's a terribly difficult thing to

669
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: figure out and succeed against. And so while I think

670
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: the end result of Oklahoma winning that game in that

671
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: specific manner is unusual, I think when you're propelled by

672
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: a defense like that, you can't call it luck. And

673
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: even with Alabama not looking like a powerful team for

674
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: the past few weeks, even still like they move the

675
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: ball some against Oklahoma, they strung together longer scoring drives.

676
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: Ty Simpson wasn't a full on wreck in this game.

677
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: He wasn't the most you know, careful with the ball,

678
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 1: but he completed passes. I think it was Josh Cuavis

679
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: had like a pretty good game. They succeeded to the

680
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: tight end a good deal. I mean. The other sort

681
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: of the quieter part of the Alabama struggles is like

682
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: Ryan Williams has not been a factor in quite some time.

683
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: It's been a lot of like three for forties and

684
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: like five for twenty eight's, Like, oh, he hasn't been

685
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: a stretch of I mean, it's been a stretch of

686
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: time ten games. They've yeah, ten games since he had

687
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: more than one hundred yards receiving. And I don't even

688
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: need one hundred yards. I just need him affecting the

689
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: game in a significant way to like cause gravity from

690
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 1: the defense, and he hasn't done that in a minute.

691
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: Like when he does get the ball, he can be electric.

692
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 1: But I don't know if it's them not finding creative

693
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: ways to get him the ball, or it's the lack

694
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: of run game that opens up passing lanes, whatever it is.

695
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: The protection hasn't been consistent, that has not been a

696
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 1: huge factor in Alabama's season and success. And now you're

697
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: taking this offense which has struggled to be to find

698
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: consistent explosion to Norman against a killer defense with playmakers

699
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: on all three levels. And you're sort of scratching me

700
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: where I itch? What was the line from the Seinfeld

701
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: like the swirl versus the pinch? Like it's just the

702
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 1: move right? You're telling me that Oklahoma's defense at home

703
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: is a dog? Is that what you're trying to tell me?

704
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 2: Here?

705
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 1: Ty?

706
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 2: They are a one and a half point dog at

707
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 2: time of recording.

708
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: I just I don't like the Oklahoma offense. But if

709
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: you're telling me they're playing at home with a lot

710
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: on the line against a team that just got absolutely

711
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: demolished with no repercussions in the SEC Championship game, Alabama

712
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: does have second life. We have seen a team as

713
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: recently as last year given second life, and Ohio State

714
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: didn't play in the Big Ten Championship game last year.

715
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 1: But you do have this opportunity to get right, to recover,

716
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: to get healthy, to evaluate what's been going wrong. Alabama

717
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: is coached by smart dudes. No matter what Alabama fans

718
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: probably rightfully feel, I believe that somewhere in Ryan Grubb's

719
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: brain and Kaylen Devor's brain and Ty Simpson's brain, like,

720
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: I feel like there is excellence in there somewhere that

721
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: can be tapped into against Oklahoma. I'm less clear on,

722
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: but I'm not writing this Alabama offense off entirely. But

723
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: I do think situationally, I'm going with Oklahoma here at home,

724
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: with the defense, with the crowd, and it's nighttime, right,

725
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: this is Friday night, Friday night, so people taking workoff,

726
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: taking school off, worked into a frenzy holiday time. I

727
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: just think everything is pointing to the Sooners here. I

728
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: don't know, Ty, Maybe you can convince me otherwise if

729
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: you feel otherwise. How do you feel?

730
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 2: I don't feel strongly about this one way or another.

731
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: Oh toy, get off the fence.

732
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,720
Speaker 2: I don't Why don't this is a show about honesty.

733
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 2: I don't feel I would not bet this game with

734
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 2: American dollars because I don't have a strong lean one

735
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 2: way or another. One incredible like eye popping stat that

736
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: I pulled out from the first matchup this year, Oklahoma

737
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 2: has blitzed on about twenty nine percent of opposing dropbacks.

738
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 2: You know what the percentage was in that first Alabama game?

739
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 2: How often they will sixty seven percent of the time.

740
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: Damn wow.

741
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 2: Two out of every three dropbacks they were coming at

742
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 2: ty Simpson. And in fairness, the Bama line did an

743
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 2: excellent job.

744
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: Against the blitz.

745
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 2: Despite all of that blitzing, Oklahoma still didn't get as

746
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 2: much pressure as you would expect. Now, they still did.

747
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 2: They got four sacks, They did speed up Ty Simpson,

748
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 2: so it was successful, but the Bama line did its part.

749
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 1: It just clearly was part.

750
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 2: Of the game plan from Brent Venables, which totally tracks

751
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 2: with the Venables brand of DEFA hence, and I think

752
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 2: it is the template for what we're going to see

753
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 2: in this game. I don't know they're going to blitz

754
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 2: as much, but they're absolutely going to attack, attack, tack

755
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 2: the same way they did the first game to try

756
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: and force some mistakes. And that's the biggest question for me.

757
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 2: To what end does Oklahoma stick to that same plan,

758
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 2: And if so, how does Alabama counter it right?

759
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 1: How do they counter it? Because they saw it once?

760
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 2: What can they do differently now they get themselves in

761
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: a position to score a few more points.

762
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: The math likes Bama. It does well. The math likes Bama.

763
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: If we see what Oklahoma struggles again with with what

764
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,439
Speaker 1: they struggled last time with what is it about a month

765
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: ago now? Yep, November fifteenth. So the math likes Alabama

766
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: if the rhythm of the game remains identical. The rhythm

767
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: of the game is not going to be identical to me.

768
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: I don't think. I think Oklahoma wins this and here's

769
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: going to be the shocker fifty six fifty three. Hold on,

770
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: hear me out. No Oklahoma wins this. I think in

771
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: similar fashion, but not as like, not in as rare

772
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: a way. I just think it's going to be a

773
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: seventeen thirteen Sledgie game. I think it's I think sledge game.

774
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that front. I think there's gonna

775
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: be some sort of like busted play that Oklahoma succeeds with.

776
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 1: On offense, I think Alabama should be able to move

777
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: the ball better than they were able to do against Georgia,

778
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: but not with sustained success. So I think there's going

779
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: to be some sort of crazy special teams play some

780
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: sort of crazy turnover. Once again, I just I don't

781
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: think Alabama's playing winning football. They can't run the ball,

782
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 1: they don't have like I like Jeremy Bernard, but they

783
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: don't have the gravity in terms of consistent receiving threats,

784
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: or they have it, but they haven't able to weaponize

785
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 1: it in the way that we expected them to. And

786
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 1: I just think there's something off that's not necessarily fixable

787
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: with a couple extra weeks. So I'm going Oklahoma, rested

788
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: at home with the defense to muck this up and

789
00:39:58,320 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: win an Oklahoma style game.

790
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 2: Let me present an opposing point of view, please.

791
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: You've picked against Bama many times this year.

792
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 2: I know, I know, and I'm sure some BAMA fans

793
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 2: would prefer that I not say what I'm about to say,

794
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna say it anyway.

795
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm out in Oklahoma.

796
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 2: That's fine, I'm fully out. And the defense is great,

797
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:27,439
Speaker 2: objectively great. The offense is not that good. They can't

798
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 2: run the ball, they're not explosive.

799
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: The game plan, as I.

800
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: Understand it, is a big play, as you just alluded

801
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 2: with Isaiah Satania, a broken play in some cases to

802
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 2: Isaiah Satania yep or whatever Ja Materier can draw up

803
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 2: in the dirt.

804
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 1: Totally true.

805
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 2: That's kind of it, right, And what I kept thinking

806
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 2: about when I was writing this down, is it not

807
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 2: a weirdly Iowa type conversation with Oklahoma, Like, we know

808
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 2: the defense is good. It's just a matter of what

809
00:40:58,239 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: are they going to be able to squeeze out of

810
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 2: this offense? You know, how much blood are we going

811
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 2: to get from that stone?

812
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard jokes about, you know, Alabama taking on

813
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,919
Speaker 1: southern Iowa. Yeah, have you? Yeah, I wanted I don't.

814
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was Spencer Hall. I think I

815
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: saw it with Spencer Hall. I did not come up

816
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: with it. I want to say Spencer did. Yeah.

817
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 2: So I'm just like I look at Oklahoma. They had

818
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 2: an outstanding season. They absolutely deserve to be here. They

819
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: absolutely deserve to be hosting this game. It's a huge,

820
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: raging success for Brent Venables. I just don't think they're

821
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 2: that good. And I agree, I think it's a lower

822
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 2: scoring game. But I got Bama winning out right twenty

823
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 2: one seventeen.

824
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm fine with that. Oklahoma has not been a

825
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 1: team that has scored I think more than like twenty

826
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: twenty five points on offense this year at their best.

827
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: I know they scored thirty three against Tennessee. I want

828
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: to say, but that was I forget it was a

829
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: pick six or a scoop and score. But I get

830
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: that you're gonna need to prevent big plays and generate

831
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: big plays with some sort of consistency in games like

832
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: this and win those big moments. Bred Vennables does not

833
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: have a Kalin debor problem. To be clear, though, no

834
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: he doesn't. It's vice versa after last season and this year,

835
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: so we'll see.

836
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: And to be clear, I think whichever team wins this

837
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 2: game loses t Indiana in the next round. Okay, I

838
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: think so too. But one step at a time here, Yeah.

839
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 1: Well, Indiana's down a big what defensive lineman? Now? Yeah

840
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:22,200
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867
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Speaker 1: Let's hope your tie breakers are better than one. You

869
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Speaker 2: I think I did total yardage in the Oregon James

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872
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873
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875
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Speaker 1: But I like this this subplot of you being the

876
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Speaker 1: last couple of years obsessed with tiebreakers and then and

877
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,120
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878
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: like it. I like a good, healthy board. I'm good

879
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,959
Speaker 1: with more voices. But it is kind of funny, all right.

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883
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Speaker 2: Nice Saturday night High Noon Dan on ABC. This is

887
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 2: a McDonough and McElroy game. This is the ten seed

888
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 2: Miami Hurricanes at ten and two going to Kyle Field

889
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: to square off against the seven seed Texas A and

890
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 2: m Aggi's. We finished the year eleven and one. A

891
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 2: and m is a three and a half point favorite.

892
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 2: They had a great season, right their first eleven and

893
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 2: zero starts. Since I want to say nineteen ninety two,

894
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 2: only ninety somewhere in that range.

895
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 1: They're here. They deserve to be here.

896
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 2: Got a little hairy from Miami at the end there. Yeah,

897
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna sit here and say they're not deserving

898
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: of this.

899
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: I think they're very deserving of it. I'm happy for

900
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,760
Speaker 1: my clearly a playoff caliber team, absolutely.

901
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 2: Or happy that they are in this game. Yeah, happy

902
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 2: that they're in this game. Didn't play during the regular season.

903
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 2: They did play back in twenty twenty three. I pulled

904
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 2: some stats from that game.

905
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Miami won forty eight to thirty three behind

906
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: three hundred and seventy four yards and five passing touchdowns

907
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: from well Hold on twenty twenty three? Would that have

908
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: been TVD TVD Tyler Van Dyke, Yeah, I remember that

909
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: game that was that was an early game or the

910
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: first game or something like that that was looked at

911
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: as like, okay, Mario Christaballs figured out offense with Miami

912
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: and everything like that, and then less so. But I

913
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 1: remember that being a high point for hopes for the

914
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: Miami offensive future for sure.

915
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 2: I was also Jimbo's final season with Texas A and

916
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 2: m I remember. Yeah, these two teams did not play

917
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 2: this year, but they did have a common opponent, my

918
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 2: notre name fighting Irish. Miami won a week one, twenty

919
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 2: seven to twenty four A and one a few weeks

920
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 2: later forty one to forty in South Bend. So all

921
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 2: that context, Dan, I think this is going to be

922
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 2: a very close, a very physical football game. How do

923
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 2: you see this one going down?

924
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: So I think there's a couple of different ways to

925
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 1: underthink each of these teams really, where it's like, what

926
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: version of Texas A and M either half to half?

927
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: What version of Marcel Reed do we get? Texas A

928
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: and M has been off? You talk about how Alabama's

929
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: been off, Texas A and M has been off, you know,

930
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: going back to the South Carolina game, obviously the Texas game,

931
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: they haven't been their full selves on either side of

932
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: the ball. Really in a little bit, I kind of

933
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: think we know Miami for better or worse. I agree

934
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: with that in a more secure way than we do

935
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: about Texas A and M. And to me, if you're

936
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: gonna underthink Miami, it's defense is probably gonna do a

937
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: lot of great things, Like they just harass people up front.

938
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: The linebackers have been strong, the secondary has been more

939
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: together than it was last year, been making a lot

940
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: more plays. Now there's the penalty issues on both sides

941
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: of the ball for Miami, but obviously the Miami defense

942
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: is ahead of the Miami offense, which is still quite good,

943
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: just not where it was last season. But to me,

944
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: if you're gonna underthink Miami, it's just how many hijinks

945
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: does Malachi Tony get up to against Texas A and

946
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: M because he is their clear huge play threat now

947
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: that they don't have other guys who can. Like the

948
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: emergence of Gerard Pringle in the backfield, I think has

949
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: been a very positive thing. I think he has been

950
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: better and more explosive than the other two backs, was

951
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: it Marty Brown and Mark Fletcher? And like what version

952
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: of Carson Beck do we get? Obviously he's turnover prone

953
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: occasionally in a disastrous way. But I kind of like

954
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,760
Speaker 1: this for Miami that it's an early start, though obviously

955
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: people are going to be hyped in out of their

956
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: minds for a playoff game at Kyle Field. I like

957
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: it that it's, you know, at noon Eastern instead of

958
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 1: six thirty, seven thirty whatever Eastern. There is something more

959
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: dependable about Miami, But I think there is something more

960
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: explosive about Texas A and m on both sides of

961
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: the ball. Explosive, Yeah, I think there's something more explosive

962
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: about the speed and consistency at receiver of Texas, A

963
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: and M. The best of Marcel Reed is more interesting

964
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: because of what he can do with his feet than

965
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: what Carson Beck can do. The pass rush on both

966
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: sides of the ball is I mean, the pass rush

967
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: for Miami, the pass rush for Texas A and M

968
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: both elite and incredible. I don't trust the A and

969
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: M secondary that much. I just they've given up a bunch.

970
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: The corners are fine, but not amazing. I think I'm

971
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: gonna go with Miami here and I hate it. I

972
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,280
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna go with Miami on the road because

973
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:03,280
Speaker 1: there is some thing about the steady nature of Carson

974
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 1: Beck most of the time, the age, the experience, the

975
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: experience in big games, where like I just maybe I

976
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: just can't shake Marcel read in that second half against Texas,

977
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: and that was on the road. But there is something

978
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 1: about Carson Beck. There is something about this Miami defense

979
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: that again A and M has had an at times

980
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: incredibly elite defense. There's something that I am more familiar

981
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: with with Miami. I don't like Mario christ Baul in

982
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: big games. I just I have a better concept for

983
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: Miami right now. And so I'm leaning that direction. Does

984
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: that make sense? It makes total sense. I went back

985
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 1: and forth, and that is another game I wavered on. Yeah.

986
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 2: Kate came downstairs this morning. I was pacing in the

987
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 2: living room. She's like, what's wrong with you? What's going

988
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 2: on here? I'm like, A, Yeah, Texas and M. Miami

989
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 2: has just sort.

990
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: Of waved her hand at me and walked away.

991
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:01,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you, Like, I have a big question

992
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 2: for each side of this, and I think an X

993
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 2: factor to pay attention to. A and M's been very

994
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 2: very good along both lines. Same is true for Miami.

995
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 2: I mean, both these teams are very very good upfront,

996
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 2: but there are a couple interesting differences here.

997
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: A and M's been able to do most of their.

998
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,760
Speaker 2: I guess uh pressure generation for lack of better terms,

999
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 2: without blitzing.

1000
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: That was the name of my tag team, by the way,

1001
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: in high school, I was one half of the Pressure Generation.

1002
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 2: Miami is one of the blitz heaviest teams in college

1003
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 2: football right now. And so what I wonder from the

1004
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 2: A and M side, what I wonder from the Miami side. Frankly,

1005
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 2: when you blitz a guy like Barcel Reed, you got

1006
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 2: to worry about his legs totally. He scrambles about twelve

1007
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 2: percent of the time. Miami's a little bit more zone

1008
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 2: heavy thanre not gonna have their backs to him. They're

1009
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 2: going to see them, They're going to spy him. But

1010
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 2: I think it's fair to point out that they haven't

1011
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 2: played a whole lot of guys like Mars Read. You know,

1012
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 2: they were fine against Tommy Castellanos, lost to Kevin Jennings

1013
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,439
Speaker 2: on the road. Marcel Read, I mean, Marcel reads better

1014
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 2: than both those guys are. And so my question is,

1015
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 2: what's Miami's plan to stop him?

1016
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: They played what they played Byron Brown.

1017
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 2: He can move, but us friends USF was not exactly

1018
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 2: the same caliber of opponent.

1019
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: But I'm saying the danger that he can provide an

1020
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: offense is very clear. They handled him quite well.

1021
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 2: Okay, they blew them out. So if you want to

1022
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 2: tack him onto this conversation or not, that's that's up

1023
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 2: to you. But I'm just saying the athletic nature, the

1024
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 2: athletic nature for sure. So what's Miami's plan to stop

1025
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 2: Marcel Reid and what does that look like? Do they

1026
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 2: still bring the blitz with such regularity? Do they change

1027
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 2: up what their plan is, I don't know, but that

1028
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 2: I'm very interested in seeing what that part of it

1029
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 2: looks like. My biggest question is something you alluded to

1030
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 2: with A and M, and that's big plays. So like

1031
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 2: on the end side, you get a mobile guy like

1032
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 2: Marcel Reid. He can dance around back there. His receivers,

1033
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 2: many of whom are averaging over ten yards per catch,

1034
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 2: give them time to find holes in the zone.

1035
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:15,959
Speaker 1: Who knows what happens.

1036
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,879
Speaker 2: Right, This isn't a Miami defense that's prone to big plays, no,

1037
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 2: but it is an A and M offense that is

1038
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 2: top twenty in the nation at creating plays with twenty

1039
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 2: yards or more. So there's an interesting push pull that

1040
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:29,919
Speaker 2: I think is going to go on on that side

1041
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 2: of the ball. A and M's gonna need to pop

1042
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 2: a few of those if they want to win, because

1043
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 2: I don't think you can get into a pickle ball

1044
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 2: game with Miami and win. It's a pickleball match, sir, whatever.

1045
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 2: Don't don't put down pickleball.

1046
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: But here's the reason I get the big plays.

1047
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 2: Even though Miami has one of the least explosive offenses

1048
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 2: in the country per Bill Connelly in the sp Plus

1049
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 2: AM's giving up a ton of big plays this year.

1050
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 2: They have going to a ton of big plays this year.

1051
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 2: Because Miami hasn't generated a ton of explosives does not

1052
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 2: mean that they don't have the playmakers to do it.

1053
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:08,919
Speaker 2: And I think they do it. You mentioned Malakai Toni.

1054
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 2: Malachai Toni dropped exactly zero balls this year as a

1055
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 2: true freshman.

1056
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: Is that true?

1057
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 2: Zero point zero percent drop rate this season?

1058
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 1: Damn? Which is nuts for a true freshman. He is awesome.

1059
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 2: And so I just wonder, like, if A and M

1060
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 2: can't get pressure on Carson Beck, there's a very big

1061
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 2: risk of a veteran quarterback picking them apart, hitting guys

1062
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 2: like Tony. And they got three receivers. Three receivers, well,

1063
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:37,439
Speaker 2: they do and they don't.

1064
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: Didn't they target Malachay Tony twice as many times as

1065
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:41,439
Speaker 1: the next guy. They did?

1066
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 2: They did, But they got three guys that I look

1067
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 2: at and I say, any one of the three can

1068
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 2: create a big play if Carson Beck has a moment.

1069
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 2: So that to me is the biggest question they on

1070
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 2: the A and M side, are they going to be

1071
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 2: able to get pressure on Beck? And even though Miami

1072
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 2: hasn't generated a ton of explosives. Will they be able

1073
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 2: to stop them? Because I do believe they have the playmakers.

1074
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 2: The X factor, though, is a Miami offensive line. And

1075
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 2: here's why I say that, across the board, one of

1076
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 2: the most penalized in college football. This has been a

1077
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 2: talking point among the Miami fan base all year. And

1078
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 2: I know because I read State of the U I

1079
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 2: lork on message boards.

1080
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: Right, You and I both come underwood. Yeah, we both

1081
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: do the same kind of thing.

1082
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 2: This is exactly the type of game where the false

1083
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 2: starts and a few penalties here and there come back

1084
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 2: to bite you if you're Miami, because a false start

1085
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 2: on like second and eight leads to a third and

1086
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 2: six leads to a situation that is very favorable for

1087
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:39,959
Speaker 2: the A and M defense, which is the best third

1088
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 2: down defense.

1089
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:41,479
Speaker 1: In America right now.

1090
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 2: Great, So Kyle Field is going to be loud, It's

1091
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 2: going to be proud. It's just something to be aware

1092
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 2: of here, one of those things that could come back

1093
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 2: to bite Miami if things start going south. I think

1094
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 2: this is more of a shootout. I do think it's tough.

1095
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 2: I do think it's close. I do think it's physical.

1096
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 2: But I think this is the best first round matchup

1097
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 2: that we're going to get this weekend, and I've got

1098
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 2: Miami winning outright. I've got it at thirty eight thirty five.

1099
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 2: I think this is going to be a freaking awesome

1100
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 2: football game.

1101
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: So the biggest pause I have in this game is

1102
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: if we enter into a situation which this is back

1103
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 1: and forth in the fourth quarter, exchanging puns, exchanging field goals,

1104
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: something like that. I got to mash Mike Elco here, right,

1105
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: I'm mashing the Mike Elko button. I cannot get on

1106
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 1: board with Mario Crista ball. If it's tight in the

1107
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, I have it as twenty eight to twenty

1108
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: Miami winning and it not being necessarily back and forth competitive,

1109
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: but not like a chess match. That's where I would struggle.

1110
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: If leads are being exchanged in that fourth quarter and

1111
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 1: it's looking like it might be an overtime game, that's

1112
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 1: when you know the ESPN like win probability graph, my

1113
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: crystal ball trust probability is going to be all over

1114
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: the place. It's going to look like the nineteen eighties.

1115
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: It's going to look like the nineteen twenties, right, It's

1116
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: going to look like those mar crafts. I'm going Miami

1117
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: to win with that asterisk. I think they can only

1118
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: win in one way, and that is controlling this one

1119
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: for the majority of it. So I'm going Miami here

1120
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 1: twenty eight, twenty three point thirty on TNT.

1121
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,919
Speaker 2: It is the eleven seed two Lane the Green Wave

1122
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 2: eleven and two this year won the American going to

1123
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 2: Oxford taking on the sixth seeded ole Miss Rebels who

1124
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 2: finished eleven and one. They are a seventeen and one

1125
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,320
Speaker 2: half point favorite. It's gonna be Joe Tess and Jesse

1126
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 2: Palmer on the call again this game on TNT. Yeah,

1127
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,760
Speaker 2: they played earlier this year. Ole Miss won forty five

1128
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 2: to ten. They had a two hundred and sixty six

1129
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 2: yard edge. It was never close. This was never a

1130
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 2: close game. Two big storylines coming into this one. One

1131
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 2: is broad and national and I know you've got a

1132
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 2: lot to say, so I'm going to tee you up here.

1133
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: And then the other is the Lank Kiffin thing. Oh

1134
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: I thought the Lake kiffn was talking about that. That's

1135
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: a different directions start. Everyone's talking about Lane. Yeah. Yeah.

1136
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 2: There is a chorus right now of commentary dunking on

1137
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 2: the idea that Tulane and James Madison should be in

1138
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 2: the playoffs at all.

1139
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: I think less about Tulane and more about James Madison

1140
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: because they're the clear second team in from the G

1141
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 1: five G six ranks.

1142
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 2: But yes, there is a chorus, right whichever one I mean,

1143
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 2: whether you're more against Tulane or more against James Madison,

1144
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 2: the mere fact that there are.

1145
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: Two G five schools in this Yeah. I don't know

1146
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:36,919
Speaker 1: if a memo went out.

1147
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 2: I didn't see a bat signal in my night sky,

1148
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 2: but somebody got, like everybody got the message at once,

1149
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 2: right that this was a take that everybody needed to have.

1150
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 2: I feel we are uniquely qualified to talk about this

1151
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 2: because your alma mater is playing one of them, and

1152
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 2: my team got squeezed out at least in part because

1153
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 2: of these teams.

1154
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's what says little guy more than Oregon and

1155
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. What says more than like legendary iconic program

1156
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: like Notre Dame and most notorious booster behind the scenes

1157
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: like Oregon's Phil Night. Yeah, Yeah, we're the ones that

1158
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: are qualified to talk about the underdogs of this all. Yeah,

1159
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: now I know what you're saying, because Oregon does play

1160
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: James Madison. No, the messaging is out and it's weird, like,

1161
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: you know, obviously not going to be surprised by like

1162
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: the network on which this messaging occurs and the people

1163
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: behind this messaging, Like, you know, this is the bread

1164
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 1: and butter for a lot of these people to say

1165
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: things like this and to say that there's like some

1166
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: more like broad societal reason why smaller schools are in

1167
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: the college football playoff. It's all nonsense. Obviously, of course

1168
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: you already know that. But we've all sort of agreed

1169
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: that there are never going to be twelve teams that

1170
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: can legitimately compete for the national championship, right, We've all

1171
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: sort of like, for a long time there were no

1172
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: national championships and two teams which were like, oh yeah,

1173
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: that makes sense. These are like the showdown at the

1174
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: end of it, all USC Texas blah blah blah, and

1175
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: then like four teams like well it's you know, the

1176
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 1: talent is more spread, and like we have all these

1177
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: you know, SEC teams or Big ten teams or Texas whoever,

1178
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: that we should expand it and make four teams. And

1179
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: then now we sort of all agree that we're expanding it.

1180
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: To just like have more football and see more high

1181
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: quality teams play. And you know, all these other sports

1182
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: have bigger playoffs, why not college football? But like there

1183
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: is an understanding that like we are not looking at

1184
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 1: number nine, ten, eleven, fourteen, whatever and saying like if

1185
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: things break right, no, probably not. That's I think that's true.

1186
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: Is that wrong?

1187
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 2: I mean it wasn't really the case last year, But

1188
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1189
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: But in any year, I don't think Miami a number

1190
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: eleven team. I think Miami's good enough to win it all. Maybe.

1191
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: I mean last time they went to the State of Texas,

1192
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: they weren't, right.

1193
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 2: I think you could make a realistic case for Miami.

1194
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: Sure. I think you can make a realistic case for.

1195
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 2: A number of teams outside the top four this year, especially,

1196
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 2: I mean Indiana seems like they're the juggernaut, right, and

1197
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 2: I guess we have questions now about Ohio State. But

1198
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 2: like otherwise, I think there are a lot of teams

1199
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 2: filling out this field. Maybe not so much TU Lane

1200
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 2: or JMU, which is more to the point here, right,

1201
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 2: But I think you can make a strong case for

1202
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 2: some of those teams outside the top four.

1203
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they have championship elements. Sure, I think

1204
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: Miami has a championship caliber defense. I don't know if

1205
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:29,439
Speaker 1: they have a championship caliber offense and coaching staff. That's

1206
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: the problem you get into. I think when you start

1207
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: going down like they have really good starters, but what

1208
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: are their twos and threes look like this part of

1209
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: the season, when you're dealing with attrition and depth issues, right,

1210
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: that I think is what separates the teams that are

1211
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: in earnest competing and like have elements that could compete.

1212
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: That's my opinion. Whatever. I just think when you get

1213
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 1: down to eleven and twelve, like you're taking however many

1214
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 1: G five, G six teams and they're basically fighting for

1215
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: table scraps, right, They're fighting for in normal years one spot,

1216
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: seventy teams, one spot right from the Mountain West, the

1217
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: Sun Belt Conference, USA, the American whatever, and so usually

1218
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: it's gonna be one spot. Why is it two spots?

1219
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: You're not gonna believe this. It's probably Dabosweeney's fault. It's

1220
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: probably like a member of your country club, it's his

1221
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 1: fault that he couldn't build a Clemson defense to keep

1222
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 1: Duke under forty five points. And we're not having this conversation.

1223
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 1: But nobody assigns blame there, right, nobody assigns blame to

1224
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 1: schools that are in the gilded conferences because that sort

1225
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 1: of defeats the purpose because it's so much more difficult

1226
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: tie to win the SEC or the Big Ten or

1227
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 1: the Big twelve, blah blah blah. And these schools are

1228
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: just like doing their best, which, by the way, these

1229
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: schools and not even just like Tulane and James Madison,

1230
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 1: all of these schools, the excellent schools in the American

1231
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 1: or the Sun Belt or whatever, they with regularity lose

1232
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 1: their coaches all of their time. If they're good, they

1233
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 1: lose all of their best players. And they're told like

1234
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: that's just the way of the world. They have a

1235
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: fraction of the money to deal with because they're a

1236
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 1: smaller program and they can't get into a bigger conference.

1237
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 1: And yet they win ten to eleven games with different coaches,

1238
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: and they build infrastructure, and they figure out ways to

1239
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: recruit and develop and even find guys to transfer in there.

1240
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 1: And yet we're looking at them as like you haven't

1241
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: earned this, you haven't gone through this, like brutal schedule

1242
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 1: and so we must put in like Kentucky, ass Texas

1243
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:19,919
Speaker 1: or something to make this a legitimate tournament, or something

1244
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: like Notre Dame, who's like throwing a hissy fit and

1245
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 1: won't even play in the postseason because we have James

1246
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 1: Madison instead of Notre Dame. Like, just there is something

1247
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 1: about that that you can just like you can miss

1248
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 1: me with that that apparently like all of these great

1249
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 1: coaches on the G five, G six level are totally

1250
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 1: okay to go to Auburn and Florida and Uclair or whatever,

1251
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 1: but like they didn't earn it at the same time.

1252
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: I just I get why people are making this argument.

1253
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 1: I just don't know why there are so many like

1254
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 1: dweeds out there simping for like the SEC, Like, you

1255
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 1: don't need to do this to yourself. You don't need

1256
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 1: to debase yourself for Greg Sankee. You just don't. You

1257
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:59,919
Speaker 1: can just live your life and enjoy football and enjoy

1258
01:02:59,960 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: like variety for once. We need to watch more Texas

1259
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 1: against Texas A and M. We need to watch more

1260
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: of this. No, the SEC has five of the ten

1261
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 1: Power Conference teams in there. Give me a percentage tie

1262
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 1: fifty fifty percent. People aren't happy people are not happy

1263
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 1: with fifty percent of the Power Conference teams. I just

1264
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 1: I think people are punching down because they need to,

1265
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 1: Like they feel victimized constantly. And there's a lot like

1266
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 1: worldview at play here that we don't need to get into.

1267
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 1: But like there is a country club thing where it's like,

1268
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 1: how dare we let James who's gonna watch James Madison,

1269
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: who's gonna watch? To like just enjoy it. It's football.

1270
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 1: We're getting more football. And if it's a blow out,

1271
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: it's a blow out. If it's competitive, it's competitive. Like

1272
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 1: it's okay to like get Korean barbecue once in a while.

1273
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: It just is it's okay to enjoy like the spice

1274
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 1: of life, or get Korean barbecue every other night. I

1275
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 1: don't care. But like this idea that like how can

1276
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 1: you have a playoff with no Texas or actually Vanderbilt,

1277
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 1: I'd like to watch Vanderbilt would be fun for me

1278
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 1: to watch in this playoff. Well, Like, I just I

1279
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 1: don't understand why people are like bending over backwards to

1280
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 1: like make fun of JMU and Tulane when it is

1281
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 1: the ACC's fault, it is a Power conference's fault that

1282
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 1: we're in this situation, and I just I don't know.

1283
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 1: It bugs me that we have to have this conversation

1284
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 1: every year when like they're good teams, maybe not as tested,

1285
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 1: but like Texas, a third of Texas's wins are against

1286
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 1: G five G six teams, a third of them tie,

1287
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 1: and we're having this conversation. I just I don't know.

1288
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a good faith argument. I don't

1289
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 1: think so either.

1290
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a good faith argument because, like

1291
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 2: most takes, none of these are fully baked. If you

1292
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 2: believe that Tulane and Jmu and whoever else should be excluded,

1293
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 2: then you also need to present to me an actual plan,

1294
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 2: a rational way, so that we don't have one hundred

1295
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 2: and thirty six teams that are playing under the same umbrella,

1296
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 2: that being FBS. I have not seen any of the

1297
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 2: takesmen out there present a rational plan for something that

1298
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 2: lives between the FBS and the FCS. I haven't seen it.

1299
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 2: If it's out there, i'd send it to me. Soliverbal

1300
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 2: A Gmail, I haven't seen it. Nobody has sent that

1301
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 2: to me yet. I would like to see more about that.

1302
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 2: A plan, Sure, give me a plan, not a take.

1303
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 2: Give me a plan. Yeah, I'll really do a plan.

1304
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 2: But until I actually see a plan, the.

1305
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 1: Plan is all about excluding teams just to be I

1306
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 1: just think I think that's ridiculous. And again i'm speaking,

1307
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 1: I know Notre Dame is not.

1308
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 2: The little guy, okay, And I'm not necessarily a fan

1309
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 2: of what's been going on here over the last week,

1310
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 2: not endorsing any of that.

1311
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 1: Again, diego Pavia, ring of honor ring, but.

1312
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 2: Either we've got a system that we all agreed to

1313
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 2: or we don't.

1314
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 1: They all agreed to this, and.

1315
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 2: Whether it's the ACC's fault or the Conference Commissioner's fault

1316
01:05:55,800 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 2: or the cfp's fault, this is what they are too.

1317
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 2: And it's one year, so I don't have a problem

1318
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 2: with it.

1319
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 1: And I'm with you.

1320
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 2: I tend to think variety is the spice of lif

1321
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 2: Let's see what they can do. And we're going to

1322
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 2: talk about that here in just a second. Furthermore to

1323
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 2: your point on Texas, if teams like Tulane and JMU,

1324
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 2: if they're so lowly, yeah, if there's so much less then, if.

1325
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 1: Their path is so much less impressive, yeah.

1326
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 2: If there's so much less then and if it isn't fair.

1327
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 2: Power five teams should not be able to count those wins.

1328
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 1: I agree, they shouldn't be able to count them. I

1329
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 1: haven't heard that take.

1330
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 2: I'm waiting for the takes and the plans, and I'm

1331
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 2: waiting for the fully fleshed out idea here to back

1332
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 2: up all of these claims.

1333
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 1: I haven't heard it. I don't know. If they're not

1334
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 1: playing playoff worthy conferences, they shouldn't count as playoff worthy wins.

1335
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 1: Where you agree where yet I didn't hear it. It

1336
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 1: gets quieter, which, by the way, like what constitutes a

1337
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 1: power four team, it just changes that the whims of

1338
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 1: like three guys, Stanford's a Power four team, Well, they

1339
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 1: were a Power conference team before. What I'm saying is

1340
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 1: like Cincinnati was until it was decided they weren't, and

1341
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 1: then it was decided they were again, And like Louisville

1342
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 1: wasn't but then they were, and then they weren't again,

1343
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 1: and then they were again. Like the Power four is

1344
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 1: happy not only to eat the G six, they're happy

1345
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 1: to eat their own. The PAC twelve does not exist

1346
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 1: in any sort of meaningful similar way to where it

1347
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 1: was before. Right like the SEC tried its best to

1348
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 1: kill the Big twelve, and so I just think people are, like,

1349
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 1: I think they're very shortsighted that if they're trying to

1350
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 1: like give as few teams oxygen as possible, and they

1351
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 1: think that's gonna be good for the sport, it's gonna

1352
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 1: sort of take away football fans from the like we're

1353
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 1: trying to make college football really exciting as a business.

1354
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's a brain dead take,

1355
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 2: is what I think. Yeah, and I understand, Listen, you

1356
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 2: have your right to believe it if that's how you feel.

1357
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:07,439
Speaker 2: I don't feel that way. I think it's a brain

1358
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 2: dead take personally.

1359
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:11,880
Speaker 1: I mean, it really does come back to, like, well,

1360
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 1: who's going to want to watch James Madison? Like, that's

1361
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 1: not my problem. It's just not my problem.

1362
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 2: Look at the bull ratings last year, Dan, the bulls

1363
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 2: don't mean anything. They literally mean nothing. I mean my

1364
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 2: previous years. Did you look at ESPN's ratings last year

1365
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 2: for Bowl Week? They were way the hell up, way up.

1366
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:30,640
Speaker 2: And those games don't mean a lick of course. So

1367
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:33,560
Speaker 2: don't tell me no one's gonna watch I'm sure relative

1368
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 2: to like Alabama, Oklahoma or Miami Texas a and m

1369
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:41,280
Speaker 2: the ratings for Oregon JMU or this game that we're

1370
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 2: going to talk about here too, lene O, Miss, I'm

1371
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 2: sure comparatively speaking they will be lower.

1372
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 1: I do not care. I do not live in the

1373
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 1: world of ratings.

1374
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:52,679
Speaker 2: I also do not live in the world where whatever

1375
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:55,919
Speaker 2: Vegas says is the point spread should be taken as gospel.

1376
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 1: It is a data point.

1377
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 2: It does not mean that I can have fun watching

1378
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 2: a game if one team is favored by seventeen and

1379
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:04,640
Speaker 2: a half points.

1380
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 1: It's for people that are proficient in excel, is what

1381
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 1: you're saying, all right, It's it really like the country

1382
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 1: club of it all never becomes more obvious around now

1383
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 1: when they're like, well, they don't deserve to be in

1384
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 1: here with us. They haven't earned their way into these

1385
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 1: pearly gates.

1386
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 2: I've heard so many people with this take, and it

1387
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 2: drives me crazy. And it's not about the people who

1388
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:32,640
Speaker 2: have the take. It's about the idea.

1389
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 1: He's wearing a Costco Polo shirt tie. He can't be

1390
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:40,799
Speaker 1: in our country club invitation. By the way, Kirkland Signature

1391
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 1: not a sponsor. Make a hell of a polo a

1392
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:45,679
Speaker 1: hell of a winner jacket? Have you gone full Kirkla

1393
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 1: now that you're living the dead my whole I'm wearing.

1394
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 1: I'm wearing an SEC shirt right now. To be clear,

1395
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 1: Frank Thomas playing for Auburn. Yeah, you're watching on YouTube

1396
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 1: dot com Slash Solidary hurt Yeah, big her of course, Alzheimer.

1397
01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 1: But the full war Drobe is not Kirkland signature, but

1398
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 1: it can be for a price. We all have our price, Kirklets.

1399
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 1: It's good stuff. Man. I don't think I have a

1400
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:12,680
Speaker 1: price for the SEC. But otherwise, yeah, one of my

1401
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 1: winter jackets. It's great.

1402
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 2: Very story line for this game is Lane Kiffin. Okay,

1403
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 2: back to the game. Lane Kiffin up and left. Ole

1404
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 2: Miss has a home game. Maybe they'll go on a

1405
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 2: playoff run.

1406
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:26,640
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1407
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 2: The coordinators are still there, so Pete Golding was elevated

1408
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:34,599
Speaker 2: from defensive coordinator to full time head coach. Charlie Weis

1409
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 2: Junior is going to be going with Lane Kiffin. L

1410
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 2: see you, but he came back. He's going to be

1411
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:42,679
Speaker 2: coaching the rest of the way here for the ReBs.

1412
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 2: How much of a factor do you think that plays?

1413
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 1: No Lane A good amount. Lane Kiffin is a very

1414
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 1: aggressive in game manager with regard to fourth downs and

1415
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 1: how he calls the game. Not to say, Charlie weis junior,

1416
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 1: isn't a big part of the game planning and big

1417
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 1: part of those in game decision and doesn't have access

1418
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 1: to the same metrics lane Kiffin has access to, and

1419
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 1: you know, the same analytics cards whatever, or probability cards,

1420
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 1: whatever they are. But it does feel very much like

1421
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 1: Ole miss these past few years has been very reflective

1422
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:22,160
Speaker 1: of Lane Kiffin's personality and appetite for aggression. So without

1423
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 1: Lane there, I just don't know that we're seeing this

1424
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 1: team coached with the same degree of confidence that Also

1425
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 1: Pete Golding has been dealing with becoming a first time

1426
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 1: SEC head coach on the fly. Can I say something

1427
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:38,759
Speaker 1: about that, please, At the risk of making myself sound

1428
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:41,800
Speaker 1: like an idiot and people out there clowning, We're far

1429
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 1: too late for that, the two of them. We're far

1430
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:46,640
Speaker 1: too late for that. Yeah.

1431
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 2: Did you happen to see Pete Golding's like opening message

1432
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 2: to his team when they first announced that he was

1433
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 2: going to be the head coach? He did, like, you know,

1434
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 2: the team meeting. You stood there before the team and

1435
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 2: kind of gave a few remarks so you happen to see.

1436
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 1: That I did.

1437
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:05,919
Speaker 2: I was detecting zero swagger.

1438
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 1: That's what I got a lot of my first dates

1439
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 1: in New York. Same. Absolutely.

1440
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not saying that that's going to have a

1441
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 2: huge impact in this game. I think that's going a

1442
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 2: little too far afield, but moving forward, I.

1443
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 1: Just something to be mindful of.

1444
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 2: And it was just it was a few minutes worth,

1445
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 2: And that's probably being tremendously unfair to Peak Golding, who's

1446
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:33,720
Speaker 2: done a good job and you know, as much as

1447
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:37,479
Speaker 2: you can earn that job. So I'm not but I'm

1448
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 2: just watching this and I'm thinking, I don't know how

1449
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 2: this is going to play long term.

1450
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 1: It didn't do it for me. I'm not a player.

1451
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 2: He's obviously been very good at what he does. But anyway,

1452
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 2: I'll put that inside.

1453
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:54,799
Speaker 1: He's got to beat a team Ole Miss was already

1454
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:58,360
Speaker 1: thirty five points better than so he has to be

1455
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 1: decent to win this game. He has to just kind

1456
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 1: of not screw it. I don't even think he needs

1457
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 1: to be decent, like they have to be one point

1458
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 1: better than Tulane, who doesn't do I mean, we haven't

1459
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 1: really talked about the matchup itself, but obviously ole Miss

1460
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 1: has thrown the ball super well. With Trinidad Chambliss, he won,

1461
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 1: Lacey has had some huge games on the ground. They've

1462
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 1: shown a ton of balance on offense. You can run

1463
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:21,840
Speaker 1: the ball a little bit on ole Miss, but the

1464
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:24,600
Speaker 1: defense did improve over the course of the season, and

1465
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 1: I just don't think Tulane does anything specifically well enough.

1466
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 1: They overwhelmed North Texas upfront with their own pass rush,

1467
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:33,599
Speaker 1: and that game was like a weird back and forth

1468
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 1: with weird calls. I just think, if you are going

1469
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:38,679
Speaker 1: to pull an upset like this, even if they hadn't played,

1470
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 1: I would love to know what or I'd love to

1471
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 1: feel confident in a specific thing that Tulane will rally

1472
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 1: behind to win this game and they can throw the ball.

1473
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 1: Some running has been a challenge. Defense has been sort

1474
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 1: of all over the place up and down this year.

1475
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 1: They finished the season strong, but I just think there's

1476
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:58,639
Speaker 1: too much speed, there's too much talent on ole Miss,

1477
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:00,839
Speaker 1: and I think they win this game a couple touchdowns.

1478
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 2: I said this a few weeks ago. Tulane's offense looks

1479
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 2: a lot to me like the Aaron Roderick offense at

1480
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:10,639
Speaker 2: Byu where it's not really yeah, it's not really one thing.

1481
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:13,439
Speaker 2: It's just sort of whatever it needs to be to win,

1482
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 2: which I'm not necessarily against.

1483
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:18,560
Speaker 1: And also they're losing their coach to be Claire and

1484
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 1: they lose their coach.

1485
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:23,839
Speaker 2: But like I'm not fundamentally against being a shape shifting

1486
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 2: kind of offense. It can be a bare game plan

1487
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:28,759
Speaker 2: against that, and Byu has done that to great effect

1488
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 2: over the year. Is why Colone's talking. You got a

1489
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:32,320
Speaker 2: huge raise and they're thrilled to keep him. I mean,

1490
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 2: he does that, he's very good at it. My problem

1491
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:38,880
Speaker 2: with this matchup is it's all dependent on Jake Rhetz

1492
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 2: left and if all Miss takes him away, it's over.

1493
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 2: That's exactly what happened the first time. He started the

1494
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 2: game zero for nine. He finished five for seventeen with

1495
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 2: fifty six yards passing. I think he ran for fifty

1496
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 2: some odd yards. He was their main weapon on offense,

1497
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 2: but it just wasn't enough to get them anywhere close

1498
01:14:56,040 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 2: anywhere to the same ballpark as all Miss. It was

1499
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:03,560
Speaker 2: twenty three to three at halftime, it was a scoreless

1500
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:06,679
Speaker 2: third quarter, and then Ole Miss ran away and hid right.

1501
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:08,760
Speaker 2: I think Ole miss is going to come out with

1502
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:10,800
Speaker 2: the chip on their shoulder after Lane abandoned him.

1503
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:11,680
Speaker 1: I really do.

1504
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:15,679
Speaker 2: And regardless of what I think of Pete Golden Golden,

1505
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 2: I I think they're gonna win this one going away.

1506
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:22,320
Speaker 2: I don't think it's as lopsided as the first time around.

1507
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 2: It wouldn't surprise me if there is a bit of

1508
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 2: hiccups here now with a new head coach stepping in

1509
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 2: getting the big boy chair, and there's going to be

1510
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:31,320
Speaker 2: a little.

1511
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:32,639
Speaker 1: Bit of a feeling out period in this game.

1512
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 2: But I don't have a really good reason to go

1513
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 2: with Tulane, be it with the points or outright.

1514
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 1: They did play more recently, right, so there is the

1515
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:44,040
Speaker 1: like rust factor with almost obviously, but they're not as good.

1516
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:46,559
Speaker 2: They're not as good, They're not as good, they're not

1517
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:48,799
Speaker 2: as talented. I've got it at thirty seven to seventeen.

1518
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I said, yeah, thirty one seventeen, thirty

1519
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 1: one eighteen, something like that. I think it's double digits,

1520
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 1: but not as pronounced. I just think there are going

1521
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 1: to be some growing pains for not in this one.

1522
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 1: But you could see them falling down ten nothing. Who

1523
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 1: they have Georgia if they win this game, they fall

1524
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:08,720
Speaker 1: down ten nothing and then just like they're all over

1525
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:10,559
Speaker 1: the place and they're having to call timeouts that they

1526
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:14,040
Speaker 1: shouldn't be calling because of procedural stuff and getting lined

1527
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 1: up and nobody knows what they're doing on fourth and

1528
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:19,840
Speaker 1: two and taking too much time. And I don't think

1529
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:22,599
Speaker 1: that's going to happen against Tulane now. But here we are.

1530
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 2: If you're an All Miss fan and if you're just

1531
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 2: sort of digesting everything that transpired over the last month

1532
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 2: with your coach leaving and all that hullabaloo around it,

1533
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 2: having a first round playoff game against Tulane is actually

1534
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 2: a nice little runway for your new coaching staff.

1535
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 1: It's actually a nice litt runway.

1536
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 2: Get used to the playoff setting, get the swing of

1537
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:45,600
Speaker 2: it before you get to the big boys, or the

1538
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 2: bigger boys. I should say, play Georgia next round if

1539
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:56,400
Speaker 2: you win. Yeah, seven point thirty TNT final college football

1540
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 2: playoff game in the first round on this one's on

1541
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 2: Saturday Night. Number twelve James Madison at a mark of

1542
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:05,240
Speaker 2: twelve and one. They won the Sun Belt. Number five

1543
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 2: Oregon at a mark of eleven and one. They are

1544
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 2: a twenty one and one half point favorite. That's a

1545
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 2: big number. It's a lot of potatoes.

1546
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 1: That's a lot of potatoes.

1547
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 2: We got Bob with shoes in and Lewis Riddick on

1548
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 2: the call of note. Here's sixty three percent of the bets.

1549
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 2: Seventy four percent of the money is on Oregon at

1550
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 2: time of recording. That is by far the most lopsided

1551
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 2: game in the first round of college football playoff betting

1552
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:37,720
Speaker 2: from a betting standpoint, right, I'm curious to get your

1553
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:41,479
Speaker 2: take on this one. As a resident resident Oregon expert.

1554
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:45,760
Speaker 2: Let me say, I've been high on James Madison all

1555
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 2: year because that defense, the defense to me is intriguing.

1556
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:53,600
Speaker 1: But let me kick it over to you. Where do

1557
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:57,600
Speaker 1: you come down on this one? My crazy take is

1558
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:02,479
Speaker 1: Oregon wins. I don't know about them. It's a big number,

1559
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:04,680
Speaker 1: and it's a big number against a team with a

1560
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 1: good defense. You know, there's a limited sample size, obviously

1561
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:14,479
Speaker 1: with the teams that James Madison played, and that's I mean,

1562
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 1: it's not an unreasonable take to look at James Madison's

1563
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 1: schedule and sort of doubt not the veracity but the

1564
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 1: meaning of like I think they finished with it, like

1565
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 1: the number one success rate defense in America. They were

1566
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:29,719
Speaker 1: very even against the run. In the past, they stifled teams.

1567
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 1: I don't think they've allowed more than twenty points since

1568
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 1: like mid October something like that. Obviously slow start against

1569
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:38,719
Speaker 1: who they played, Troy, but eventually just sort of sat

1570
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 1: on them. This is not an accidentally good defense. This

1571
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 1: took a lot. There's talent on this defense. They played

1572
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 1: discipline football. They don't get lost, They play well in

1573
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 1: the red zone, they prevent big plays like they do

1574
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 1: a lot of the things that very strong defenses should do,

1575
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:57,720
Speaker 1: and they do them excellently, so I don't think it's

1576
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 1: smoking mirrors. At the same time, Oregon has had one

1577
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:05,719
Speaker 1: of the most lethal offenses in the country this year.

1578
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 1: They're EPA is top ten. They run, they pass, They

1579
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 1: have a very good quarterback in Dante More. It looks

1580
01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 1: like they're getting healthier at receiver. They might have the

1581
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 1: best tight end in the country, one of the best

1582
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 1: offensive lines in the country. I think if Oregon can

1583
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 1: figure out what James Madison is doing in terms of

1584
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:27,639
Speaker 1: run defense, then it could get ugly quickly. That's where

1585
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 1: we've seen it this year that even against teams like Iowa. Now,

1586
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 1: they struggled against Washington, but it opened up a little

1587
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:36,479
Speaker 1: bit against USC Like, if they can figure out the

1588
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 1: ground game, it could get pretty ugly. And I think

1589
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 1: it's going to take a minute in this one, but

1590
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 1: I think Oregon will And so I just there's like

1591
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 1: a magic number that James Madison needs to keep Oregon

1592
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:52,439
Speaker 1: under twenty or something like that. And at home with

1593
01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 1: this crowd, this is the night game, right, night game,

1594
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:57,880
Speaker 1: seven thirty Eastern. Yeah, I just think you know, Oregon

1595
01:19:57,880 --> 01:19:59,879
Speaker 1: hasn't played in a few weeks. They're gonna be excited.

1596
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:01,439
Speaker 1: It has him in the holidays, So I don't think

1597
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 1: there's gonna be the rust that we saw last year.

1598
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 1: I think Oregon's gonna come out and really look strong

1599
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 1: in this one. And Alanza Barnett, for as exciting as

1600
01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 1: he's been as a quarterback, he's not been the most

1601
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 1: consistent accurate passer. No, I don't think he did anything

1602
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 1: against Troy through the air, right, He's had some down moments.

1603
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:23,400
Speaker 1: I just I think the Oregon defense is going to

1604
01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 1: be suffocating. I think they're going to figure things out

1605
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 1: on the ground. I think we're going to see some

1606
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:30,880
Speaker 1: big plays from this Oregon offense, and I think we

1607
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 1: see a bit of a crock potting. I have it

1608
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:34,799
Speaker 1: at like thirty five thirteen, so I guess that's barely

1609
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 1: covering maybe THEE seven thirteen, thirty three ten, I don't know.

1610
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:40,639
Speaker 1: I think they went by like twenty two to twenty four.

1611
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 1: I like James Madison. I'm glad James Madison made this. Yeah,

1612
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:49,040
Speaker 1: and their defense is really interesting to me. As he said,

1613
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:54,519
Speaker 1: overall top success rate against they've been very very solid,

1614
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:56,360
Speaker 1: even against both the run in the past. I think

1615
01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 1: they're technically second against both the run in the past,

1616
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:02,679
Speaker 1: but when you run all the numbers, it comes to first. Nationally,

1617
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 1: they're very pretty good, very very good. My concern about

1618
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:08,680
Speaker 1: the defense though, is that there is a tendency to

1619
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 1: give up big plays and against an Oregon offense that

1620
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:15,200
Speaker 1: creates a big gainer of twenty or more yards about

1621
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:17,639
Speaker 1: ten percent of the time. That's an issue. That's number

1622
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:19,559
Speaker 1: one in the country right number one in the country.

1623
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 1: More often than any other team, they're creating twenty yard

1624
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:22,639
Speaker 1: plus plays.

1625
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:26,720
Speaker 2: That's a problem for James Madison. My biggest issue with

1626
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:31,120
Speaker 2: JMU though, is that I've watched every single game, every

1627
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:34,679
Speaker 2: single game this season. I watched it the first time through,

1628
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:36,880
Speaker 2: I went back and I watched a couple games again

1629
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:40,680
Speaker 2: before putting this together. Yeah, they're not good enough to

1630
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 2: keep paced with the Oregon that's the issue. I watched

1631
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:46,760
Speaker 2: that Sun Belt Championship game against Troy. They did not

1632
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:48,839
Speaker 2: look like a playoff team in that game. Their defense

1633
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 2: was solid. Their defense rose to the occasion because their

1634
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:54,679
Speaker 2: offense put them in some bad spots. So I still

1635
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:58,520
Speaker 2: like the defense a great deal. All the runs back offensively,

1636
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 2: though not where it needs to be. And so I

1637
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:05,519
Speaker 2: just wonder, even if the defense is stingy enough to

1638
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:12,040
Speaker 2: hold Oregon to like thirty points, are they going to

1639
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 2: be good enough to play the physical brand of football

1640
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:16,479
Speaker 2: that they want to with Wayne Knight?

1641
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you? You know, the kind that Bob Chesney likes,

1642
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 1: by the way, outgoing coach Bob ches right, Yeah, he's

1643
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:27,680
Speaker 1: he's on his way out in a good way for

1644
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 1: him taking the UCLA job, and Oregon's losing both of

1645
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:35,280
Speaker 1: their coordinators Writstein and tash Lupoi. I'm just not sure.

1646
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:38,559
Speaker 2: How JMU scores the points that they're going to need

1647
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:40,680
Speaker 2: to score against Oregon, even if the defense is good

1648
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:44,559
Speaker 2: enough and to your point, I like Alonza Barnett. His

1649
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:47,000
Speaker 2: story coming back from an ACL tear late in the

1650
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:49,800
Speaker 2: year last year but not missing any action this year

1651
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:53,920
Speaker 2: has been awesome. He is a very very good quarterback.

1652
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:56,679
Speaker 2: He is not a good enough passer to truly challenge

1653
01:22:57,200 --> 01:23:00,800
Speaker 2: the Oregon duck defense here. In fact, I'll go out

1654
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:03,439
Speaker 2: in a limb. There's going to be a mind boggling,

1655
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 2: mind bogglingly bad interception at some point in this game, Okay,

1656
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 2: a true folly floater that gets popped up over the

1657
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 2: middle of the field and you just scratch your head afterwards.

1658
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 2: That is what we are headed towards in this game.

1659
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:16,519
Speaker 1: Now.

1660
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:20,840
Speaker 2: Because I dislike Alonzo Barnett, I just think his receiving core,

1661
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 2: especially his offensive line, is going to be overmatched.

1662
01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:25,680
Speaker 1: I think that's reasonable.

1663
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:27,880
Speaker 2: Oregon is good enough to sell out to stop the

1664
01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:30,320
Speaker 2: run and still stop the pass without having to over

1665
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:31,800
Speaker 2: commit one way or the other.

1666
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:35,439
Speaker 1: I've got it at thirty three fourteen, Oregan, Okay, so

1667
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 1: that is quick math went to a state school, got

1668
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:41,439
Speaker 1: the fifty five of ten earlier, so that is nineteen

1669
01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:45,240
Speaker 1: point nineteen points. So jam you covering? Yeah, okay, I'll

1670
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 1: give you limit a couple of early possessions. I'll kick

1671
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:51,479
Speaker 1: with that, But there's a the uh oh god, what

1672
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:55,000
Speaker 1: was I going to say something about, Yeah, there's I

1673
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:57,479
Speaker 1: just don't trust that pop from the passing game. Like

1674
01:23:57,520 --> 01:23:59,720
Speaker 1: you mentioned Oregon, the games that they have lost under

1675
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:02,160
Speaker 1: Dan Landing, by and large, right, it's Michael Panics games,

1676
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 1: it's this year, the Heisman winning quarterback in Fernando Mendoza,

1677
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:07,960
Speaker 1: Ohio State's offense last year in the Bowl game. I

1678
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:10,280
Speaker 1: just I don't think it meets that bar So I'm

1679
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 1: going ducks. There.

1680
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 2: You have it right in saliverbo at gmail dot com.

1681
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:16,719
Speaker 2: Let us know what we got right, what we got wrong.

1682
01:24:16,760 --> 01:24:19,280
Speaker 2: If you were a new year hit follow or subscribes

1683
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1684
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 1: What's the plan now at the playoffs?

1685
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:25,639
Speaker 2: Are we going to hop on after the Oregon game

1686
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 2: and do our weekly recap?

1687
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:31,840
Speaker 1: Is that the deal? Yes, so we'll do the live

1688
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:38,280
Speaker 1: stream Saturday night. That'll be what eleven Central'll be midnight

1689
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:39,920
Speaker 1: if I mean, if you want to keep the same schedule,

1690
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 1: that's fine. Sure, the organ game should be done by

1691
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:48,559
Speaker 1: what eleven PM? Hopefully, Yeah, we would assume that's what

1692
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 1: a seven thirty Eastern start, so I could see that

1693
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:55,280
Speaker 1: being over by eleven before eleven, yeah, we could do

1694
01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:58,320
Speaker 1: eleven thirty, okay, whatever. Well, because we're just going to

1695
01:24:58,360 --> 01:25:01,920
Speaker 1: have fewer games to discuss, fewer games to discuss, we

1696
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 1: will post that across all of our socials.

1697
01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:06,840
Speaker 2: We're also going to send a newsletter out on Thursday,

1698
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:09,880
Speaker 2: so we'll keep everybody up to speed on what our

1699
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:13,320
Speaker 2: plan is. But if you're used to the late streams

1700
01:25:13,400 --> 01:25:16,960
Speaker 2: on Saturday night, we'll do that again. We'll just have

1701
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:18,720
Speaker 2: to get back to you on the timing exactly, because

1702
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:20,200
Speaker 2: they're starting this one a little bit earlier.

1703
01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:22,479
Speaker 1: We'll see how it goes. We do, by the way,

1704
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:27,640
Speaker 1: have FCS semis right, Oh we do. That's right, Illinois

1705
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:32,360
Speaker 1: State against Villanova. Yeah, so that's December twentieth, so that

1706
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 1: would also be Saturday Saturday, and then a Brawl of

1707
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:41,200
Speaker 1: the Wild rematch the Montana schools. It's right, Montana, Montana State.

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Speaker 1: So we have zero Dakota presents in the FCS playoffs

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Speaker 1: and then they're playing the final in Nashville this year. Well,

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Speaker 1: all right, good teams, Illinois State, the pride of normal Illinois.

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Speaker 1: That you think are going to happen over the next

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Speaker 1: week or so of college football games.

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Speaker 2: That includes the first round of playoffs. Again, that game

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Speaker 2: Yes do it alrighty awesome show. Great to be back

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Speaker 2: with you. A ton of stuff to talk about. We

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Speaker 2: will be back on Thursday to talk about a bit more,

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Speaker 2: and do stay tuned. We'll keep you in the loop

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Speaker 2: as for what our plans are with this first round

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Speaker 2: of CFP games.

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Speaker 1: Dan.

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Speaker 2: In the meantime, we appreciate everybody's ongoing support. It means

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Speaker 1: That guy over there Dan, for myself Tie. We'll catch

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Speaker 1: you all soon. In the meantime, stay solved, peace,