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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we don't need no stinking

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Speaker 1: open to night. We're always open. It's in the title.

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Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal here in the Chris Wesley podcast studio

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Speaker 1: for the first and last time this week, for the

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Speaker 1: last time in this season, and I'm sitting next to

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Speaker 1: Patrick Claybond and joining us from New Orleans is Nick Shook.

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Speaker 1: I will see you there tomorrow. I'm about to go

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Speaker 1: get on a plane.

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Speaker 2: How are you doing, Nick, I'm preparing the roll to

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Speaker 2: roll off the red carpet for you. Greg. You know

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Speaker 2: we're gonna get people doing. We're gonna be a jazz band.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna make you feel like you might have experienced

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Speaker 2: back in your college days. You know we're gonna welcome

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Speaker 2: you back to New Orleans.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait to be there.

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Speaker 1: And right before we started, Patrick asked the question everyone's wondering,

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Speaker 1: which is, how's the weight room at the hotel that

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Speaker 1: we're sure.

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Speaker 2: It's It's in a well. This is an older building

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Speaker 2: that I'm staying in, very typical of New Orleans, and

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Speaker 2: it's in a room. When I walked in, I looked

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Speaker 2: of independence in here. What they have fashioned it into

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Speaker 2: a weight room pretty well. But you know, as Patrick

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Speaker 2: mentioned before we started the show, weights only go up

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Speaker 2: to fifty at hotel gyms. There's only so much you

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Speaker 2: could do. I need a little more resistance. So we're

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Speaker 2: getting a lot of shoulder workouts in this week.

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Speaker 4: It's champagne problems.

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Speaker 5: You know, when you've grinded Grek, when you've put in

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Speaker 5: the work like Shook has, you know, a fifties not

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Speaker 5: He's having to put the twenties on top of the

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Speaker 5: fifties to try to do something, and he's making all.

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Speaker 3: The just multiple fifties or something. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we start stacking dumb.

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Speaker 1: I don't live in this world where you guys are

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Speaker 1: just like, oh, the weights aren't heavy enough for us.

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Speaker 3: Well, we're men.

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Speaker 5: You want to prioritize, right, you would like to overload

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Speaker 5: the muscle. You don't want to prioritize fatigue and do

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Speaker 5: it a whole bunch of reps.

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Speaker 4: It's all about mechanical tension, you know.

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Speaker 3: It's just no, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I'm just looking on Google right now.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but I do hope to to get

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Speaker 1: some workouts in New Orleans.

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Speaker 3: That would be great.

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Speaker 1: But if it doesn't happen, it would be an homage

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Speaker 1: to my previous life in New Orleans, where I definitely

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Speaker 3: There was like there's like a couple of.

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Speaker 1: Days of when I thought I was gonna maybe be

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Speaker 1: on what the equivalent with the practice squad of the

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Speaker 1: tennis team would be, and it's like, nope, let's uh,

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Speaker 1: let's focus on what's important in New Orleans, and that's

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Speaker 1: drinking and eating and football. I was going to a

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Speaker 1: lot of those Saints games back in the day with

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Speaker 1: eight and eight team, which for them, they were. They

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Speaker 1: were happy about it. Shout out to uh, what was

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Speaker 1: his name, Jim Haslett? Yeah, that e man. I always

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Speaker 1: have so much admiration for that dude. How he handled

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Speaker 1: the Kirtrina season one of the more underrated coaching performances.

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Speaker 3: Of all time.

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Speaker 1: And they did not win many games, and that I

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Speaker 1: hate that. You always has to be tied to winning

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Speaker 1: games of that man that man handled the situation like

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Speaker 1: a boss, and everyone in and around that city and

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Speaker 1: team appreciated it. In a tough situation. We're going to

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Speaker 1: talk about more fun stuff than this, though. We're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about some news. Okay, We're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about what Nick Schuck has already learned at Opening night

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Speaker 1: in New Orleans. He's already been to the Eagles press

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Speaker 1: conferences there on Tuesday. They don't mess around. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: get Patrick Claibond's Super Bowl pick. This is hot, oh early.

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Speaker 4: It's very.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, let's and we're gonna talk about our friend

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Speaker 1: that this that this podcast is named after at the

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Speaker 1: at the end on an important week, thinking about Chris Westling.

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Speaker 3: But let's start with the Cooper Cup news.

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Speaker 1: I'm taking the train to downtown Los Angeles because I

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Speaker 1: made the mistake of driving to a Lakers game two

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Speaker 1: weeks ago that Patrick rightly told me to take the

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Speaker 1: I should have taken the trade. So to last night,

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Speaker 1: I was going to the Great Mina Chimes benefit show

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Thank you to the listeners that

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Speaker 1: came by afterwards and that were NFL Daily listeners. And

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Speaker 1: we see as we're getting down there that Cooper Cup

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Speaker 1: he hasn't asked for a trade like Miles Garrett Patrick.

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Speaker 1: The Rams have told him in no uncertain terms they

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Speaker 1: are seeking to trade him immediately. And there were some

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Speaker 1: interesting lines in the Cup statement, but what stuck out

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Speaker 1: to me was that he did not agree with this decision,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, injuries kind of plagued the past couple of years,

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Speaker 5: but it makes sense from his standpoint where he wins

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Speaker 5: I feel like he might have been dealing with a

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Speaker 5: brain injury at the time, and when he scored that

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Speaker 5: touchdown in the Super Bowl, he gets a mega deal

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Speaker 5: that he deserves. And so for his standpoint, with the

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Speaker 5: time remaining on this, on this deal, there's no need

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Speaker 5: team that drafted him, in a place that he loves,

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Speaker 5: that he spent the formative years of his adulthood able

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Speaker 5: is looking at this number with a base of twelve five,

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Speaker 5: you know, four million dollar pro ration, seven and a

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Speaker 5: to work this thing even if they want somebody else

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Speaker 5: to trade for Cooper Cup. But as far as the

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Speaker 5: production in the past couple of years, it just makes

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Speaker 3: It's a bummer though.

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Speaker 1: It's a bummer that it doesn't sound like he had

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Speaker 1: any choice in the matter. I saw some speculation from

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Speaker 1: and he made it clear through his statement they did not.

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Speaker 1: Do you think Cup has any trade value?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what's crazy is you know what You often

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Speaker 2: If you look up Cooper Cup, he's almost thirty two

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Speaker 2: years old. It feels like yesterday. He was being drafted

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Speaker 2: I think that the value that you might associate with

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Speaker 2: not quite as high because of age. Now, receiver is

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Speaker 2: to look at age and be like he's cooked, he's toast.

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Speaker 2: But with the money that's associated, it makes for a

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Speaker 2: significant undertaking for other teams that might be interested. Having

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Speaker 1: It's a red flag that Sean McVay essentially doesn't want him.

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Speaker 1: You know, he didn't produce at the end of this

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Speaker 2: Was like invisible in this offense down the stretch.

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Speaker 1: Five for sixty one in the Divisional round loss to

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Speaker 1: the same numbers, five for like seventy something, you know,

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Speaker 1: almost no production. And he's someone when I've gone to

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Speaker 1: he gave his body to that Super Bowl season in

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Speaker 1: a way that it's really never come back from. He

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Speaker 1: was playing through injuries. He just was one hundred and

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Speaker 1: forty five catches. Was that entire offense? The amount of

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Speaker 1: both him and Robert Woods. But Cooper Cup not a

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Speaker 3: He doesn't move the same way.

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Speaker 1: So I think to get off that number, the Rams

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Speaker 1: already owed five million dollars guaranteed. I have a hard

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Speaker 1: basically like a late round pick. I don't think it's

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Speaker 5: I think the cautionary tale for the folks who may

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Speaker 4: He has played hurt.

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Speaker 5: We saw that this year in Austin Eckler, who was

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Speaker 5: for the Commanders this season, where I think there's still

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Speaker 5: into the defensive end as much, still contribute, and he

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Speaker 5: was the key part of an offense that in parts

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Speaker 5: right has proliferated itself all over the NFL. Now where

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Speaker 5: Cooper Cup is going to be able to come in

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Speaker 5: and run successful routes at the very least for a

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Speaker 5: good football team, where I think there's value there. But yeah,

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Speaker 5: the Rams got to come up off some of that

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Speaker 3: Let's let's not forget though, that that playoff run.

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Speaker 1: So just for a little context, he cut one hundred

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Speaker 1: in the regular season, just preposterous numbers. Then in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: He added thirty three more catches, so we're up to

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Speaker 1: one seventy eight for four hundred and seventy eight yards.

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Speaker 1: We're almost at twenty five hundred yards. He added another

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Speaker 1: six touchdowns. That's that's twenty two total touchdowns. That's right

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Speaker 1: there with the greatest wide receivers of all time. And

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Speaker 1: I regretted not saying something to him other than pleasantries

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Speaker 1: when I saw him down in the old NFL network

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Speaker 1: locker room a couple of weeks ago that we just said.

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Speaker 1: I just said, oh, hi, nice to meet you, all

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Speaker 1: that sort of thing. And I afterwards, I was like,

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Speaker 1: I should have told him how how happy he made

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Speaker 1: that Super Bowl and he made that that catch right

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Speaker 3: It's like that, That's what it's all about. It's the memories.

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Speaker 1: Good luck to you, Cooper cup I don't I don't

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Speaker 1: know where he goes from here. He will certainly be

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Speaker 1: in the NFL this year. I don't know if a

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's a few things here. One, it's been

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Speaker 2: He is also playing for a team that as a

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Speaker 2: So there's there's not really a track record of just

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Speaker 2: There's also the contract associated and his age, and I

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Speaker 2: So it's a combination of is this a leverage play

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Speaker 2: And I understand the frustration.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's about the money.

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Speaker 1: And I've already feeled differently about this trait than when

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Speaker 3: About the money.

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Speaker 1: I think he's just he's just made a decision that

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Speaker 2: Here, and you can't blame him. Yeah, Like, look at

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Speaker 1: And there's not really things can change fast in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: but they got to fix the quarterback situation, and it's

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I think back in history, Reggie White was thirty two

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Speaker 4: He became a Green.

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Speaker 6: Wow, that's crazy, Like Miles has already hit these career milestones,

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Speaker 4: One of the best.

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Speaker 5: Quarterback we've ever seen himund up being in that draft

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Speaker 5: in Patrick Mahomes, I mean, Deshaun's in there. I guess

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Speaker 5: he could go back change history, but ultimately, right, Miles

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Speaker 5: is the number one pick. It was clear and obvious

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Speaker 5: he's probably going number two. Maybe he's a Chicago Bear,

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Speaker 5: Miles has seen this. He's seen the whole arch as

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Speaker 5: you mentioned for Nick Chubb, go do it somewhere else.

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Speaker 1: For a second, I'm like, how dare you say he's

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Speaker 1: And I was like, what draft was that?

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, fifteen, it's probably go number one.

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Speaker 3: Overall that guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that guy was in his fifth Super Bowl in

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Speaker 1: dude's ridiculous. Miles Garrett's ridiculous. What a number one overall pick.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you hear a take that's so right that you

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Speaker 3: I believe that to be true.

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Speaker 1: I also believe that maybe they knew that this could

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Speaker 3: Ton of sense.

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Speaker 1: For the Browns, I think they're gonna get a lot

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Speaker 1: fro him, Chuck, I really do. I think all it

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Speaker 3: He won't be quite as good.

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Speaker 1: It's not a good thing to trade Miles Garrett, but

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Speaker 1: At least they can make the best out of it,

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Speaker 2: Right right, Their position to play a key part, despite

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Speaker 2: because that's the number two pick. You know, they could

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Speaker 2: Maybe Miles Garrett is involved in that trade. Maybe all

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Speaker 1: Oh man, Okay, let's talk about Cousins. He was on

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Speaker 1: Good Morning Football on Tuesday morning. Let's listen to a

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Speaker 7: We were six and three, was playing well, doing a

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Speaker 7: You know, nobody's perfect in this league. We're never feeling

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Speaker 3: Just never really could get it to where I wanted it.

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Speaker 7: And so now kind of now the season's over, the

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Speaker 1: Those injuries weren't completely disclosed. He hadn't maintained he was

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Speaker 2: Healthy enough.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we were watching Kirk.

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Speaker 1: There's not a lot of good options out there. Cousins

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm definitely buying Kirk Cousins in Cleveland. They have

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Speaker 5: He needs to be a starting quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Either that does.

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Speaker 5: Either that was facial smoothing on his FaceTime or zoom.

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Speaker 5: He looks incredible. I didn't even see any crows feet skincare.

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Speaker 1: It's that little button that you press now on the

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Speaker 1: You can press a button and I pressed it one

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Speaker 1: I pressed it and I was like, I'm too handsome.

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Speaker 1: They have a striking resemblance Kirk. But yeah, with the

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Speaker 1: with the facial smoothing that's going on here, and yes,

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Speaker 1: this is why you've got to sign up for the YouTube.

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Speaker 3: You know you gotta subscribe.

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Speaker 1: You got to hit like just just to see this

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Speaker 1: this still shot here.

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Speaker 3: I mean he's looking great.

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Speaker 5: No, that's that's incredible. So yeah, if this, if Cousins

445
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Speaker 5: able to do internally what he has done to his

446
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Speaker 5: face with a bring it back around with the work,

447
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:11,439
Speaker 5: because yeah, clearly he was limited. The people compare right

448
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,199
Speaker 5: the achilles injuries for the aging quarterbacks, Rogers had a

449
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Speaker 5: significant head start.

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Speaker 4: Yep, Kirk in recovery from that achilles stare.

451
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Speaker 5: It was clear, like mid to late in the season

452
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Speaker 5: like that was not even Kirk Cousins at a certain point.

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Speaker 5: I don't think he forgot how to play football. You

454
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Speaker 5: mentioned taking all those shots. Yeah, because we saw Kirk

455
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Speaker 5: Cousins take getting hit as he throws. He's hitting guys

456
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Speaker 5: and shrid but all it takes is knocking you off

457
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Speaker 5: that peg just a little bit, and he was clearly

458
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Speaker 5: off of it. Why not have Kirk he wants to

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Speaker 5: be a starting quarterback, he's willing.

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Speaker 3: To play for His highs were higher than Rogers this year.

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Speaker 2: For what were they were? I mean there was the

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Speaker 2: two games against the Buccaneers in which he threw for

463
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Speaker 2: like almost a thousand yards and we were all like,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, he's back, but there was also the

465
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Speaker 2: fact that he couldn't move in the pocket because he

466
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Speaker 2: was coming off the Achilles. He says he has had

467
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Speaker 2: an ankle issue as well, so that explains a lot.

468
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Speaker 2: But let's keep building the connection to the Browns theory here.

469
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Speaker 2: Let me just build my entire conspiracy. Kevin Sefancy was

470
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Speaker 2: his offensive coordinator in Minnesota. Kevin savanciazen on a quarterback

471
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Speaker 2: that quite fits his play calling style since Baker Mayfield

472
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Speaker 2: and Baker played his last yeat in Cleveland hurt and

473
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Speaker 2: we all know what happened from there. The fit is there, naturally,

474
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Speaker 2: The familiarity is there naturally, The history together naturally there.

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Speaker 2: Let's also go beyond that into the draft. If this

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Speaker 2: is a short term option, there's a quarterback out there

477
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Speaker 2: that's already generated some attraction in Cleveland, and he rolls

478
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Speaker 2: up the ranks at the Senior Bowl. He played football

479
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Speaker 2: all mess. His name's Jackson Dart. The Browns acquire Kirk

480
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Speaker 2: Cousins in a trade that involves Miles Garrett, and somehow

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Speaker 2: they draft Jackson Dart even if he rises into the

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Speaker 2: first round, which would make it impossible unless they get

483
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Speaker 2: a first round pick from a team in this year's draft,

484
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Speaker 2: and their whole future is set in people in Cleveland

485
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Speaker 2: are able to sleep at night.

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Speaker 4: Let's wash it over, Greg right now.

487
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Speaker 2: He's completely out.

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Speaker 1: Now you convinced me that it this all could happen.

489
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Speaker 1: I think that Jackson Dart thing is just everyone just

490
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Speaker 1: keeps telling me that he should be he should be

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Speaker 1: great for a trimp pick. I need to do my

492
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Speaker 1: own research, you know. I and Aaron Rodgers quote.

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Speaker 5: Once you've done that research significantly better than any research

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Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers has ever done on anything.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that you're going to be moved off

496
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Speaker 4: of how you feel.

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Speaker 1: But if he's a second round pick or whatever, Cousins

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Speaker 1: and a second round pick, it's fine. It's kind of

499
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Speaker 1: a get you by type of situation. I don't mind that.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. If I don't know if what the

501
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Speaker 3: year to invest early.

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Speaker 5: Would, would Stefanski be in trouble in the event if

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Speaker 5: there's a Kirk Cousins and Jackson Dart season that they

504
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Speaker 5: trade Miles Garrett.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of down.

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Speaker 1: Yes, here's here's the thing about like planning your future

507
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Speaker 1: for Arch Manning or some other quarterback that's coming down

508
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Speaker 1: the pipe, like Kevin's fancy is a good coach. There

509
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Speaker 1: are talented players on that roster, like with with cousins

510
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Speaker 1: in a rookie like it wouldn't shock me if they

511
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Speaker 1: scraped their way to eight nine wins, and then you're

512
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Speaker 1: you're not in the business for those quarterbacks anyways. But wow,

513
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Speaker 1: you guys have convinced me this is happening. A couple

514
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Speaker 1: other very quick items. I thought it was interesting the

515
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Speaker 1: Commander's team owner Josh Harris did in about face on

516
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Speaker 1: at on the team name, and it makes sense. He's

517
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Speaker 1: had more information. The Commanders are here to stay. We're

518
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Speaker 1: not changing the team name. When he first took over,

519
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Speaker 1: the idea was he was going to change the team name,

520
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Speaker 1: but they kind of kicked the can. He said, I

521
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Speaker 1: will wait a year, see what at you know, and

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Speaker 1: then we'll kind of And I think because they've had

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Speaker 1: such good vibes and that Jade Daniels has been wearing

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Speaker 1: a Commander's jersey, that okay, that's it.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna wear no uniforms. There's precedent for this. And look,

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Speaker 2: don't get mad at me, Seahawks fans, but if your

527
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Speaker 2: team had not found a ton of success in the

528
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Speaker 2: Pete Carroll era, you would have changed uniforms by now,

529
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Speaker 2: because so with no association with history or success, performance

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Speaker 2: any of that, those are not good uniforms. But because

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Speaker 2: you can associate them with making the Super Bowl twice

532
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Speaker 2: and being good over time, Wow, they're now great uniforms.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 2: The same thing happens with the Commanders. They'll change their uniform,

535
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Speaker 2: but they won't change their name because it's it's just

536
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Speaker 2: drilled into the jade. Daniels air already.

537
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Speaker 5: Hops out of the ring, runs across the street to

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Speaker 5: another arena, jumps in a spot to take a shot

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Speaker 5: to see them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, put that on. That was fiery. You're absolutely right.

541
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Speaker 1: It's the same deal with the Patriots, and they will

542
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Speaker 1: change their uniforms, and they've already started to tweak it.

543
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Speaker 1: But those Patriots flying ELVI was a mistake the first

544
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Speaker 1: day it happened. Never liked them, still don't like them.

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Speaker 1: And at some point.

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Speaker 2: Though five years later plus, they're still here.

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Speaker 1: Well I get it, they won a lot with them

548
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Speaker 1: almost immediately, but I think they'll have to change it

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Speaker 1: because it doesn't look I.

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Speaker 5: Mean, we're all Pavlov's dog in this instance, like Yeah,

551
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Speaker 5: the Commanders were the Commanders.

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Speaker 4: They had the most.

553
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Speaker 5: Magical season that we could have possibly hoped for. So yeah,

554
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Speaker 5: they're going to keep the name. I think they should

555
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 5: still be the Washington football team, but I like it.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was going to go back to that.

557
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Speaker 1: And yeah, it once you say any name long enough,

558
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Speaker 1: this is true for baby name, it's true for band

559
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Speaker 1: names's true for podcast names.

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Speaker 3: You just get used to it and it's fine.

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Speaker 1: So yes, we will be going ahead and taking command

562
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Speaker 1: for indefinitely.

563
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Speaker 3: Shout out to Carson Wentz.

564
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Speaker 1: Trying to get out to his second Super Bowl title.

565
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Speaker 1: Carson Wentz, I mean starts to take command? What a

566
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Speaker 1: guy like to first do it? You know, I know

567
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Speaker 1: he wasn't playing, but take out Tom Brady and then

568
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Speaker 1: on the other side with Patrick Mahomes against his old team,

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Speaker 1: he has a chance to be a two time champ.

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Speaker 1: Found out on Tuesday. I just wanted to note this

571
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Speaker 1: for the record. Micah Hyde is retiring. Great career underrated

572
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Speaker 1: safety joined the Bills late this season almost as a

573
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Speaker 1: player coach on the practice squad and always really appreciated him.

574
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Speaker 3: That was a.

575
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Speaker 1: Really big part of the Bills rise to prominence over

576
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Speaker 1: the last seven years. Really, I might be the biggest

577
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Speaker 1: defensive piece other than Sean McDermott as a play caller

578
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: over that time. So shout out to Michael Hyde for

579
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Speaker 1: a really good career. Let's hear from you, Shook about

580
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 1: what's been going on in New Orleans, but let's hear

581
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Speaker 1: about it after the book.

582
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Speaker 3: Back on NFL Daily. Shout out to Kobe Turner.

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Speaker 1: By the way, part of that mina show, which which

584
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Speaker 1: is up on her podcast feed, he just belted out

585
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: a rendition of House of the Rising Sun, just on

586
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Speaker 1: stage out of nowhere.

587
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Speaker 3: And I know his voice is good.

588
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 1: He was on the mask singer and all that, but

589
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Speaker 1: he like hearing that in person, like that place was floored,

590
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 1: like everyone at chills, like he's a talent. Shout out

591
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: to people that are talented musically. I'm jealous. And it's

592
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Speaker 1: just like they always seem like the cool people. Shook

593
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: also one of the coolest people, so cool that he

594
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: was telling us between the during the break here that

595
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: he once helped steer Paris Campbell to his his high

596
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 1: school football team. And now here's yeah Paris and Nick

597
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: just two dudes who made it to.

598
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Speaker 3: The Super Bowl.

599
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know he started. He came in as a

600
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Speaker 2: freshm and right after I graduated from Saint Vince to

601
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Speaker 2: Saint Mary, which everybody on the planet knows that as

602
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 2: Lebron's school. It's also where I went to. And happened

603
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 2: to be roaming about the final two minutes of Opening

604
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Speaker 2: Night last night and turned a corner and there's Paris.

605
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Speaker 2: And I haven't seen him since he was fourteen, well

606
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Speaker 2: maybe eight seventeen, when he was, you know, at All

607
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 2: State Starret Saint v before he went on to Ohio State.

608
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Speaker 2: And it was a great little reunion, a nice little moment.

609
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 3: Were you highly recruited coming into high school?

610
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 2: Absolutely not.

611
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 3: No, they didn't know. I just the bottom.

612
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Speaker 2: I was like cyo kid, No, because I was a

613
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Speaker 2: late bluer Greg when I started high school. I was

614
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Speaker 2: five to seven, one hundred and forty pounds.

615
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Speaker 3: Wow.

616
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Speaker 4: You put them at work.

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Speaker 3: Wow, Well I'm still there. You know it is there,

618
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Speaker 3: it is. What have you taken from your Opening Night.

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Speaker 1: And Eagles media availability experience so far?

620
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Speaker 3: What's the ViBe's been like?

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Speaker 2: First of all, so if you want to compare it

622
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Speaker 2: to the last time these two teams in the Super Bowl,

623
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Speaker 2: just two years ago, it was all about the Kelsey

624
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 2: brothers and the Eagles involvement. There was a lot of

625
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: pomp and circumstance, but kind of a lot of distraction.

626
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: Even from my perspective back then, this is not the

627
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Speaker 2: case this time. All due respect to Mama Kelsey, but

628
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 2: she's not coming out and giving cookies. Right This is

629
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 2: not that story anymore. The Eagles showed up and they

630
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 2: looked like they were all about business to opening night

631
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 2: last night. They walk upon the stage, they're there, they

632
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: do their little interview, they go out and disperse to

633
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 2: their podiums, and it's all business. They know what they're

634
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Speaker 2: going to be asked about. They're not just taking it in.

635
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 2: Darius Lay said that I'm not taking it in and

636
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 2: having fun and trying to enjoy the moment. This is

637
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 2: a business trip for me and I'm locked in. I'm

638
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 2: dialed in. My family is not coming to the hotel

639
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 2: to hang out. I'm here to get a job done.

640
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 2: And a lot of them were like that. And I

641
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 2: think it's been what they've experienced over the last year

642
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 2: and a half that has really positioned them to have

643
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: success now and get here is they know what it

644
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 2: feels like to be at the super Bowl and lose it,

645
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 2: to be a team that falls well short of expectations

646
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Speaker 2: in dramatic fashion to the point you almost lose your

647
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Speaker 2: coach by you know, via firing, and then to get

648
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 2: back here with after kind of correcting those things and

649
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 2: going through that journey with so many of the same guys,

650
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Speaker 2: and they're very much I think, mentally prepared for this week.

651
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: They know how to handle it. So it's going to

652
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Speaker 2: be a very intriguing matchup for sure.

653
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Speaker 5: Yeah, just looking forward to seeing just how this because

654
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Speaker 5: I know with history we tend to think, oh, it's

655
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Speaker 5: the same team, right, but nope, but there's a lot

656
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Speaker 5: of guys that even younger team other than were last

657
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 5: last time around.

658
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 3: We think literally the youngest defense in the league.

659
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 5: And instant results from all of those guys. So it's

660
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 5: interesting where they have that dichotomy of a guy like

661
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 5: Darius Slay there versus Quinnyon and Cooper dejan right, who

662
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 5: are really experiencing all of this for the first time,

663
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 5: and it's so different, it's so new unique. I don't

664
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 5: even know if they have time to really consider it,

665
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 5: because the game is going to be here before Sunday,

666
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 5: but they have a bunch of people like are you

667
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 5: ready for this? And those guys shoo, I'm sure, Like

668
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 5: I don't know that, Like I've never seen this before,

669
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 5: but I've never seen a lot before.

670
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 2: This is this is their first NFL season for you know,

671
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 2: Dejina and Mitchell, like they're just I don't know, like

672
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 2: I've been working at football NonStop since my last college

673
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 2: season ended. They always talk about the rookie wall. They

674
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: are so far beyond the rookie wall at this point

675
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 2: in the calendar that it's not even a thought, and

676
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 2: I think that they're just kind of going with it,

677
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 2: like they're not taking it in. They're just like, all right,

678
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 2: it's another game to play. I thought. I think it

679
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 2: was Slay who said it. It was interesting to me too,

680
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 2: is the way he described it as, Look, this is

681
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 2: the last game of the season. Like we know it's

682
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 2: the last game of the season. This is where we're

683
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,239
Speaker 2: going to try to go out on you know, a

684
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: strong note and lock in and play you know, good football.

685
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 2: And the other thing too, is like they have such

686
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 2: an interesting blend of vets. Like you talk about Brandon Grant,

687
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 2: you talk about Lane Johnson, you know, these guys are

688
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: in their third Super Bowl. Jalen Hurts is in his

689
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 2: second Super Bowl. Saquan's in his first, but he's seen

690
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: a lot in his career. They appreciate it, and they're

691
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 2: not overwhelmed by it. I think it's just it was

692
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 2: very striking to me in all these years of covering

693
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: different Super Bowls where this team just feels very much

694
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 2: like they belong here.

695
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 3: He's saying he's doing the thing. The team that you cover,

696
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 3: you just you just fall off. I did that thing too.

697
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 3: That's why it hurt so bad.

698
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: Why it hurt so bad when Santonio Holmes caught that

699
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: pass and broke the hearts of Darnell Dockett and Carlos

700
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: dans Bea and that.

701
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 3: Great Cardinals team.

702
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: I've never been so disappointed, And it was largely because

703
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: I covered that team that week for NBC Sports dot

704
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:44,719
Speaker 1: Com and I just just fell in love with him.

705
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: And now Shook Shuk's doing the same thing. Can we

706
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: bring up the Darius Slay picture that Shook took on

707
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: Opening Night because he seemed like he was had I

708
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: don't know what this look was. It's maybe a little mischievous,

709
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: a little bit like, what are you doing, bro? How

710
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: would you describe it?

711
00:32:58,880 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 3: Shook?

712
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: That's who he is. Somebody called him out they didn't

713
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 2: he didn't hear Sligh properly. And he goes, it's Slay,

714
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 2: It's Slay. And then in the crowds like I said

715
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 2: Slay and he goes, oh, I thought you said something else,

716
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: like he's cracking jokes. I asked him, how long did

717
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 2: it take you to get over that Super Bowl loss

718
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,479
Speaker 2: to the Chiefs last time? He said five seconds. I

719
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 2: was like, okay, okay, yeah I have I'm a dad,

720
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 2: I'm a husband. I had to, you know, take care

721
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 2: of daddy duties, is what he said. So yeah, he's

722
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 2: a unique character for sure. But it's definitely interesting to

723
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: see the different blend of personalities here and some of

724
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 2: the guys who've been there before, and you know what

725
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 2: it might mean for them.

726
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 4: I'll tell you exactly what that look is from Darius Slayer.

727
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 5: Is damn that that dude with the phone taking this

728
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 5: picture as big as hell, guaranteed, I promise you, I am.

729
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 4: We'll talk about my picture of game. I am sure

730
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 4: of nothing else more than that.

731
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 3: Wow, that's awesome.

732
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: Darius Slay been on record thinking this is going to

733
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,239
Speaker 1: be his last day a game. As an angle, We'll

734
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: see he's speaking realistically. He's probably right, just because of

735
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,719
Speaker 1: finances and everything. Although the Eagles they always offer their

736
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: guys pretty solid deals. I remember James Bradbury eventually came

737
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: back to them because he couldn't get a better deal elsewhere.

738
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: And my guess would be they will attempt to keep

739
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: Darius Slay, but maybe they won't max out just because

740
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: it's tough to do for everyone. You talk to some

741
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: players on Tuesdays, Shook Jordan Mylotta, Lane Johnson, Zach Bond,

742
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: not in a revenge game against the Chiefs, but a

743
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: revenge game against what was done to him in this

744
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: city by Dennis Allen who couldn't take advantage of him.

745
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: I know it's hurting Saints fans. It's really the underrated

746
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley storyline that like Saints fans are watching this

747
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: and be like, defensive player of the Year came in

748
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: Zach Bond, like we had this guy here any position? Yeah,

749
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: any thoughts, But before we move on, just about your

750
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: your conversations in person with the Eagles here on Tuesday.

751
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the old Hassan Raddick line. It wasn't playing

752
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 2: the reposition Arizona until his last year. I think that,

753
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 2: you know, I spending a lot of time with the

754
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 2: offensive lineman just because it's kind of where my content

755
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,479
Speaker 2: was directed. But I think that, you know, the main

756
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 2: narratives have been, you know, hey, getting over what happened

757
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 2: last year, not the Super Bowl loss, but what happened

758
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 2: last year and how that has made them a stronger

759
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 2: team has been very interesting to me. And also the

760
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 2: transformation of their offensive line after you know, losing Jason Kelcey,

761
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: sliding Cam Jurgens over to the center and creating a

762
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 2: hole at guard, and then Makhai Beckton coming in. Sirianni

763
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: had some nice things to say about Beckton as well

764
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 2: as as well as Lane. Johnson asked him, you know,

765
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 2: how long did it take you to get acclimated with

766
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 2: playing next to him? Because he's a large human and

767
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 2: he actually noted that, like the average guard is not

768
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 2: his size, and so when it comes to picking up stunts,

769
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 2: it makes life easier because there's less space to move

770
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 2: through because he's so massive. My lot is hilarious, is

771
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 2: always you know, he's just got a nice charm about him,

772
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 2: but it's interesting to see him in where you know,

773
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 2: where he was in their last Super Bowl appearance versus

774
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 2: now again more business like, so nothing like overly revelut toy.

775
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 2: They're very much about their business. But it is an

776
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 2: interesting and a lot to talk about Vic Fangio too,

777
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 2: that these guys love Vic Fangio and what they've done

778
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 2: for this defense as well.

779
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: He's a true ball guy. And yet no one has

780
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,959
Speaker 1: made more money this season, I think than a pair

781
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: of Eagles. In terms of upcoming free agents. Makai Beckton

782
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 1: is going to get paid and it'd be a great

783
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: story for him considering everything that went on the Jets,

784
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: whether it's what the Eagles or not.

785
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 3: We'll see.

786
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: Milton Williams, I think, is going to be a tough,

787
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: tough player for them to keep as well, because and

788
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: you put on that film from the NFC Championship game,

789
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: he might have been their best defensive player. And he's

790
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: in a good spot because Jalen Carter soaks up those

791
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: double teams. But man, to your point, Patrick, this is

792
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: not the same team. I just think of how much

793
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: better Nolan Smith was than he was a year ago.

794
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: Jalen Carter is a better player than he was a

795
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: year ago. So it's also development the Chiefs, you know,

796
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: they they've improved as well. Well, we'll talk plenty about

797
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. We have a big preview with some special guests.

798
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 1: We have Greg Olsen plan to come on to our

799
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 1: preview show to help Jordan and I and you Shook

800
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: look ahead to the game. No better ball noer than him,

801
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: to give us some insight you.

802
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 4: Should be calling the game.

803
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 3: I know, can we bring that up?

804
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: He has talked about it a little, so that's kind

805
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: of what I want to talk about.

806
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 3: But I don't.

807
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: I don't think we'll focus on that before we go,

808
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: because this is gonna be last time the trio is here.

809
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: We did the Sunday nights together, and last time during

810
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: the regular season that Patrick and I'll be in the

811
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: studio here together. Although like, I don't know what you're

812
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: doing next week, Patrick, but this show continues on. It's

813
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: not really ending. I want your pick. I want your

814
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 1: pick before we get out of here.

815
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 4: And I know you know, it was in the heat

816
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 4: of the moment.

817
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 5: It was after the AFC and NFC championship games, and

818
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 5: I was like, ah, the Eagles are going to win

819
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 5: the Super Bowl.

820
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 4: Well, I've I've thought about this game.

821
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 5: I've done a lot of looking at next gen SATs

822
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 5: in NFL NFL Pro. I think the Eagles are going

823
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 5: to win the Super Bowl. Greg all Right, I think

824
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 5: top to bottom, this is a better roster. I know

825
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 5: they have the best football player we've seen in a

826
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 5: very long time in Kansas City.

827
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 4: But this team is very good. They could absolutely lose.

828
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 5: They could absolutely lose, but I think that they will

829
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 5: win the game because I think they're a better team.

830
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: Wow, you just simplified it by the way you mentioned

831
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: Cam Jurgens. He said he's playing in this game. That's

832
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: a big item there. And I really think, just vibes

833
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: wise that Brandon Graham has a great chance to play.

834
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the sense I get to. Well, he talked

835
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 2: about it. The tone was as if he's going to

836
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 2: try to play.

837
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 3: So to my point before, it's not the same team. Yeah,

838
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 3: they can.

839
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: They can add their best pure pass rusher, I would say,

840
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: and Brandon Graham will see what he does. But Patrick's

841
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: definitive and concise with his pick on game de view.

842
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you gave them an eight point win a

843
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: bit off, Mike. You said they might be up a

844
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: couple scores here and the Chiefs get one late to

845
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: make it even look closer and make them sweat a little.

846
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 1: But that you you really like them. You don't think

847
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: it's going to be back and forth them when he

848
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: at the end, you think they might win it so

849
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: U comfortably.

850
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 5: No, I think it works out better for them, And

851
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 5: in fact, you know, it may lead to some conservative

852
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 5: hurts throws, maybe he takes the sack, maybe he holds

853
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 5: onto the ball a little too long because things. I

854
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 5: think they'll be able to run the ball against the Chiefs.

855
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 5: I think the Chiefs throw behind the line of scrimmage

856
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 5: a lot, and the Eagles are very gifted and making

857
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 5: those tackles in space where it's going to have to

858
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 5: be fifteen magic all the way up and down the field.

859
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 5: And it happened last time, a ball bounced directly to

860
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 5: Nick Bolton and they end up winning the game. I

861
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 5: think this time this Eagles team is significantly better than

862
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 5: that last Eagles team.

863
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 2: Yeh yeah, but yeah, I agree. I think that the

864
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 2: Eagles defense and they're the blueprint that they produced in

865
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 2: the NFC title game. Well not as drastic is going

866
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 2: to play a factor. I think you're going to see

867
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 2: a turnover or too that swings it in a direction

868
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 2: where they take a two touchdown lead to the fourth

869
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,919
Speaker 2: quarter and like you know, Patrick kind of put out there,

870
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: it ends up being like I have thirty one to

871
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 2: twenty six. It was like my first thought, I haven't

872
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 2: really settled on that, but that's probably where we're headed.

873
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 5: And Vic Fangio as the defensive coordinator is much better

874
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 5: than Vic Fangio as the consultant, like twenty minutes after

875
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 5: he finishes a year with the Dolphins.

876
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: Or as the head coach of the Denver Broncos back

877
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: in the day. Although those defenses they were tough to

878
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: play against for Mahomes, and yet Mahomes always found a

879
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: way to win literally every time. I'm growing increasingly uncomfortable

880
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 1: with all the Eagles support because you know, that's how

881
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: that's how I'm leaning. I mean, it just seems I'm

882
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 1: just saying, it seems very widespread in the media, and

883
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: you know, it makes us all feel good before the game.

884
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: And Eric behind the glass is certainly rooting for that

885
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: because he's a he's a vengeful person who did hater.

886
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 5: Fortunately, I don't think any of us can do anything

887
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 5: to make the Chiefs try harder. Now, I think the

888
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 5: Chiefs will attempt to win the Super Bowl, regardless of

889
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 5: how many people doubt them, no, disrespect them, or believe

890
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 5: in them.

891
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 3: They will before we go.

892
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: While we're here in the rest Whistling Podcast studio for

893
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: the last time this season, I was thinking about Chris

894
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: this morning, and it's a time of year those who

895
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 1: are close to him, I know Lakeisha of course thinks

896
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: about him a lot. He died four years ago on

897
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: February fifth, actually, so that that's tomorrow when we get

898
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: down to New Orleans and.

899
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 3: His birthday, my birthday we share.

900
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: It is in a couple of weeks too, so it's

901
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: a time where you reflect and it it's kind of

902
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: a mind fuck because this week is when he died,

903
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: so it's always it was super Bowl week, and I

904
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: think about like how that week was often when when

905
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: we get to this time of year and and that

906
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: was tough, that was like that was the worst.

907
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 3: That was a nightmare.

908
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:01,959
Speaker 1: It's the worst week of my life. And you also

909
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: think about the times like during during that week I

910
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 1: had a chance to sit with him a couple of

911
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: days before before he passed and and just spoke. It's

912
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: a one sided conversation at that point, and we talked

913
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: about football, you know, as we always always did, and

914
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: we talked about family and Lincoln and keish and his

915
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: brothers and in life.

916
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 3: And that was really special.

917
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: And there's like no words to sort of describe all

918
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: the feelings that that you're having in that moment. But

919
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: I feel very grateful to to have had that with

920
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: with him and to have had all the conversations that

921
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: we had thinking about it just from a football perspective

922
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: about football, because one of the things I take away

923
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: from thinking about it now four years if in some

924
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 1: ways I was just talking about about it with keish

925
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 1: Uh last week and some ways it feels so long,

926
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 1: so much has changed. That was, you know, the tail

927
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: end of the pandemic, and our lives have changed, and

928
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: it feels so long. But on the other hand, you

929
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: can just feel what that feeling was like and really

930
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: for the next next year. It's been it's been tough,

931
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 1: but especially right right in that aftermath. But it gets

932
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: me thinking, you know, about what we are grateful for too,

933
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: which is having friends to talk football with and Chris

934
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 1: was a special guy to talk football with.

935
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 3: For me, is.

936
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: Almost like a football a football soulmate, you know what

937
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 1: I mean, Just like someone that was the perfect person

938
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: to talk football with. And just thinking about the Thursday

939
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: nights that we always spent at the Culver Building or

940
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: at his house in Westchester and watching those games, and

941
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: as we're approaching this game, which a lot of people do,

942
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: enjoying it with their family or their friends or whatever,

943
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: just just appreciating those moments because it was obviously more

944
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: than those moments. It was about our life lives together

945
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: and friends and family, but it was also about those moments.

946
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: Just just chilling what the moments that weren't special, the

947
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 1: moments that wasn't that last week, because because I think

948
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: there's a tendency and you guys can tell me if

949
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: you disagree that when you lose someone important to you,

950
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: that last period really sticks sticks with you and it

951
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: and that makes sense and it's natural, but it's almost

952
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: a shame because everything that came before it is what

953
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: what built up your your relationship. And one thing I

954
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: think was really unique about Chris was he kind of

955
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: had a near death experience the first time he had cancer,

956
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: he went through chemo and he came out the other

957
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: side and and yeah, Keisha and I talk about this

958
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: a lot that the years after that where they had

959
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: a you know, great year after that, and they get

960
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: engaged and they eventually get married. And of course linking

961
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: comes that he had this awareness of how much to

962
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: enjoy those Thursday nights watching with me, but also obviously

963
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: going out with Dan and Mark, and obviously all the

964
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: times he had with brothers and all the times. There

965
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 1: were no times that he was not trying to enjoy.

966
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: And he actually had a little saying and in typical

967
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: West fashion, a little Excel spreadsheet which was called Enjoy

968
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 1: every Sandwich, And he was trying to keep track of

969
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: every sandwich that he had during that period and to

970
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: find the perfect sandwich. He wanted to make the perfect sandwich.

971
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: He wanted to eat all the perfect sandwiches. He wanted

972
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: to categorize them by different types of sandwiches because he

973
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: was just a Rankings type of dude. He wanted to

974
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: put them in different cuisines, different regions. Him and Keish

975
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:55,439
Speaker 1: drove from Cincinnati to Nashville and just hit up as

976
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: many great sandwich spots along the way so he could

977
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: document to all and and that for him was enjoy

978
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: every sandwich he kept. He had that at the top

979
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: of the spreadsheet. I gotta I gotta dig this up.

980
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: I got to go find some of those those sandwiches.

981
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: And uh, that's what I want to think about too.

982
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 1: During these weeks, You're going to think about the tough

983
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: the tough times. But like that to me, as I'm

984
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 1: heading down to New Orleans, one of my favorite places

985
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: in the world, and going to see a lot of

986
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,720
Speaker 1: my favorite people in the world that I'm really grateful

987
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,280
Speaker 1: to be around, and you two of the are obviously

988
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: included in that is that I'm going to enjoy the

989
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: hell out of every sandwich. I'm not going to waste

990
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: the meal down there in New Orleans. I'm not going

991
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: to waste a great football conversation that I could have

992
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: with the people that are close to me. And I'm

993
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 1: going to think about Chris and and I'm gonna we're

994
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 1: going to do the best to honor him.

995
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, people will always say that nobody tells you that

996
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 5: you're in the good old days. Yeah, but but during

997
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 5: that that post, first bout all, Chris was well aware

998
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 5: that he was in he was in the good old

999
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 5: days and to be to be out of the you know,

1000
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 5: at the house at that point once they had moved

1001
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 5: and having the barbecues like and seeing that, you know,

1002
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 5: because people talk about cooking with love like it's it's

1003
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 5: going in there. He's got love for the people in

1004
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 5: his life, and love for the food, and just love

1005
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 5: for the fact that we all get to do this together.

1006
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 5: And too, because I'm so glad you pointed out, like

1007
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 5: you see the snapshots right towards the end, but it's

1008
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 5: it's the build up, it's the totality of all that

1009
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 5: and and kind of soaking in those moments while they

1010
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 5: happen that that makes you appreciate them more.

1011
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 4: And since then, right like Lincoln Sage were born.

1012
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 5: Within a couple of weeks of each other, and seeing

1013
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 5: them both grow up to this point, since then, you know,

1014
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,760
Speaker 5: having seen cancer take more folks out of our lives

1015
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 5: that we experienced football with, like Larry Campbell, you know,

1016
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 5: you you realize that this is not this is not

1017
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 5: like a workplace situation. These are the people that you

1018
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 5: get to experience life with and it brings a.

1019
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 4: Joy to football itself.

1020
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 5: Because we got to have the opportunity to be around

1021
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:19,919
Speaker 5: these people in this time, and so four years.

1022
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 4: And feels like it feels like ours.

1023
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 5: It also feels like four years, and I'm just glad

1024
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 5: that I had those years of Chris.

1025
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 2: You're right great that it feels like it was a

1026
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 2: long time ago because of what was going on. It's

1027
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:40,919
Speaker 2: also somewhat coincidental. I walked into a deli today next

1028
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 2: to the hotel, and that's immediately what I thought of

1029
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 2: as I looked at the menu was enjoy every sandwich.

1030
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 2: I've never been here, but I thought about Wes, and

1031
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 2: I thought about that saying, and about trying to maximize

1032
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 2: every experience, whether it's just out of random deli, or

1033
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 2: whether it's the years that I spent out with you guys,

1034
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 2: the times that we had, the gatherings at his old

1035
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 2: apartment along the beach in Marina del Rey, watching him

1036
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 2: with the big green egg smoking up, or I still

1037
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 2: look aw.

1038
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: It'll say too much about those those got a little

1039
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: uh squarely at certain points.

1040
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 2: I still look back at the video I had to

1041
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 2: him dressing them up, or the time that we were

1042
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 2: together and somebody was in one of those dinosaur costumes

1043
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 2: and he's got his arm around and hugging it. You know,

1044
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 2: we're having a good time. And you know, every time

1045
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 2: we do a Super Bowl it's for me, you know,

1046
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 2: working remotely, it's the time to get together with everybody,

1047
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 2: the people that we form these bonds with through work,

1048
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 2: who are more than just colleagues, their family. And every

1049
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: time there's there's always that feeling that someone's missing that

1050
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 2: person as west and yet at the same time that

1051
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 2: that is a constant reminder because this can become routine

1052
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 2: from year to year, even as things change and everything else.

1053
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 2: But you could stand at a press conference and it's

1054
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 2: a reminder to enjoy all this, savor all of this.

1055
00:49:55,280 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 2: As you said, Yeah, and the difficult part about losing

1056
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 2: somebody is that they're no longer there and that your

1057
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,240
Speaker 2: time with them has run out. But all the lessons

1058
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 2: that you've gained from that person and the value that

1059
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 2: you had that you have in the time that you

1060
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 2: shared together, I think still informs you as you move forward.

1061
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 2: And I wish he was here. I miss him all

1062
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 2: the time, just like you guys too. And he was

1063
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 2: a special person and deserving of much more than just

1064
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 2: having a podcast studio named after h I'll tell you.

1065
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 3: That, you know what, and he he got much more.

1066
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: That's what he would tell you, and that he we

1067
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: you go back and forth from anger of that he

1068
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 1: was all the things that he was robbed of, but

1069
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: he would have said, the loves of his life, you know,

1070
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: Lakeisha and Lincoln, What a gift.

1071
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 3: That they were.

1072
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: And yeah, just I wanted to talk about him today

1073
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: obviously with the anniversary of his death tomorrow and everything,

1074
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: and we're here in the studio because there is something too.

1075
00:50:55,440 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: There is something too these anniversaries, I realize, and part

1076
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: of it is he's not going to be forgotten from us.

1077
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: But it feels good to talk about him, Like I

1078
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: think that's the you you want to honor him the

1079
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:09,959
Speaker 1: best way.

1080
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 3: I think that's one of them.

1081
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: It is to talk about him, to remember him, to

1082
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: not just let the day go by, to honor him

1083
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: with with everything you're doing. And he's obviously inside of

1084
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 1: all of us, and and that's part of it. And

1085
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: on these days to remember him and yeah, yeah, remember

1086
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 1: fucking badass times and you remember the pain as well,

1087
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: and that's all it's all wrapped up. And and football

1088
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Speaker 1: is a big part of it. Was a big part

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Speaker 1: of my life with him, my relationship. It's about me

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Speaker 1: going back to uh, going back to Rhade World, back

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Speaker 1: back in like six oh seven. So appreciate everyone that

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Speaker 1: that is with us here listening to to NFL Daily

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Speaker 1: and listen to us talk about Chris here on this

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Speaker 1: February day. The next time you'll hear us, we'll be

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Speaker 1: on February fifth. It'll be down there in New Orleans.

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Speaker 1: I'll see a Nick uh in just a little bit.

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Speaker 1: And thank you Patrick for yeoman's work all season long

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Speaker 1: and that and that Eagles pick that it's not even

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Speaker 1: going to be close.

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Speaker 5: We're not stopping that after the confetti falls and we

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Speaker 5: all just pretend like we're we're back.

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Speaker 4: We're podcasting maybe all the way through.

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Speaker 3: We really, we really are.

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Speaker 1: We gotta we gotta talk about what exactly the schedule is,

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Speaker 1: but it's not going away for long, and it's it's

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Speaker 1: gotta be daily. And yeah, look when we're when we're

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Speaker 1: already talking about a new Kirk Cousins landing spot and

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Speaker 1: the week before the Super Bowl, you know football is

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Speaker 1: back