WEBVTT - Tragedy w/ Kellie Martin 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:04.040 Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:06.840 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:08.879 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:27.760 These are our stories, Dunner. 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:30.960 I love that. 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:36.440 Hi, everyone, welcome to That's messed Up. But I'm Kara Klank, 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:41.480 I'm Lee's a trigger. We talk SVU crimes interviews. We've 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:42.040 got it all. 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:46.560 Baby LA's Hottest club and it truly is this town sucks. 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:49.120 No's hottest club is That's messed up. 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:56.120 We're so thrilled that we have another week jam packed episode. 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:58.080 Am I scared for how you are going to react 0:00:58.280 --> 0:00:59.120 to this episode? 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:03.360 I am. I can't not gonna lie. Everybody go easy 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:03.840 on Lisa. 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:06.520 She's really just trying to look at everything with a 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:09.959 critical eye, and I respect that. Yeah, I would like 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:13.240 everyone to know I have had dozens of you reach 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:15.720 out to me telling me that it's okay to fire 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:17.360 my therapist, and I want to let you know that 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:18.000 I did do it. 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:20.280 I did over texts. 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:23.600 Tell my therapist, by the way, you missed my appointment 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:26.000 yesterday and I think I'm gonna be pausing therapy for now. 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:28.560 I didn't give her like a full rundown. She did 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:30.360 try to come back and act like it was my fault. 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:32.000 I did write her back and say, please look at 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:33.920 the text messages above and you'll see that you're wrong, 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:35.479 and she was like, oh my god, I'm so sorry. 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:39.399 And then I just said thanks, thanks for understanding, and 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:41.360 I just moved on. So I did not give full feedback, 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:42.640 which a lot of you said I could do and 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:44.840 would be the right thing to do. I couldn't do it, 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:47.880 but I did not ghosts, so you know. And she 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:49.760 wrote back and said here if you want to start it, 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:51.680 here when you need me, or I'm here when you want. 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:55.280 To start back up. So it was like a very clean, respectful. 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:58.400 Break and you probably felt so free after. Yes, yeah, 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:00.120 I was just talking to someone where it's like you 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:02.560 can fuck up, but you have to just admit when 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:06.480 you're wrong and apologize. And it seems like your therapist 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:08.600 was not able to do that task, so should she 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:11.679 be a therapist. I got a lot of people talking 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:13.920 about my gluten. What I've learned is I have to 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:17.560 stop talking about my physical and mental health ailments on 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:20.160 the podcast because all of your advice is so lovely 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:22.840 and great, but I will never do anything to improve 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:23.320 my life. 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:26.520 Okay. So I'm like, I. 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:28.440 Have these issues and then I'm like, my have it 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:30.240 and then you guys, well you can fix it, and 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:31.200 I go, no, thank you. 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:33.960 So I'm wasting your time. My time. So I think 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:34.240 I have. 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:36.680 To stop talking about because I'll go to the doctor. 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:38.760 The doctor will give me what will help me, and 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:41.760 then I won't do it. So, you know, one step 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:43.919 at a time in personal growth, and one day I'll 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:46.160 get to will you just put this lotion on? 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:49.120 So but thank you? 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:51.680 And then I'm eating croissants on Instagram Live. It's like 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:54.560 I but I have cut back and I don't have bumps, 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:58.679 so whatever. Okay, So someone tweeted this and I loved it, 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:01.080 and I wish I just heard it down, but I 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:03.000 want to give them credit. Maybe we'll post about it. 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:07.440 But what would each detective order at Taco Bell SV? 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:08.239 Yeah? 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:09.920 And I thought that was such a fun game. Did 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:11.160 you see someone wrote that to us? 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:11.280 No? 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:14.080 I didn't. Maybe we'll play it at a later time. 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:15.720 It's a lot to throw at you, Kara, and you're 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:17.240 not even as familiar with the menu. 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:19.120 Yeah, I'm not. I heard so many. 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:22.000 Options but I just we could also do a different 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:24.920 type of place. But like, I like the idea of 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:28.960 picking what our detectives would order at different fast food chains. 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:31.760 No, that is fun. That is fun. I'm trying to think. 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:34.160 I know it's too much, too soon. It is early. 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:37.480 We're wild women. I mean, I'd love to hear a 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:39.360 couple of throw a couple at me. 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:41.360 I think I kind of understand the difference between like 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:44.520 a Chimney Changa and a Gordita and like a Supreme 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:45.119 run for sure. 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:47.280 But I didn't even I wrote it down to talk about, 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:49.560 but I didn't even plan. But right now I'm thinking 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:54.360 Benson goes for a crun trap Supreme when she needs 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:56.640 a real treat, like I think she goes for that. 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:59.560 I think if it's quick on the go, she might 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:04.440 do the protein menuo or get like a simple like 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:07.160 a hard and like a soft shell hardshell taco with 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:10.440 chicken meal, because I think she I think she keeps 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:13.680 it tight. I think Marushika watches what she eats. Yeah, 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:16.279 Rollins doesn't, because Rollins forgets to eat and then she 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:19.680 just eats a giant chicken sandwich. That's Rollin's. That's why 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:22.360 she's so erratic. We have friends like that where they're 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:24.479 such a bitch and then they we realize they haven't 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:26.400 eaten all day and it's like, okay, well see. 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:29.040 And Rollin's at three am smoking a cig at a 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:31.919 casino blackjack table go and hit me like, I mean. 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:33.120 Yes, I had cigarettes? 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:33.560 You No? 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:36.600 Oh you did? Yeah? 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:38.680 The moment you said it, I was like, Oh, I 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:39.640 had two cigarettes? 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:43.080 I shir did I s Did you probably have two cigarettes? 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:44.280 Like a month? 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:44.599 Right? 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:45.640 You don't smoke a lot? 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:48.720 No, but I feel it like the actually don't feel 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:52.320 it today. No, I just the moment. 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:54.760 Yeah, I don't know. It's like, is it a moral failure? 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:54.880 No? 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:55.400 I loved it. 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:58.640 I loved smoking the cigarettes. It felt so good. But 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:01.200 when you're hanging out with someone late into the night, 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:04.520 if they're smoking cigarettes, you're gonna smoke a cigarette. 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:06.920 Yeah, I or not? 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:08.839 Some of you you know I'm from I'm a I'm 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:14.000 a former big smoker. I personally can't dabble because I 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:17.240 know I'll slide right back into hiding packs from Jared 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:19.800 like that that will happen within weeks. 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:22.440 Did you quit when you started dating Jared or did 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:25.239 you quit before you met I was quit. 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:28.440 When I met Jared, I had quit, and then I 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:32.279 started a little bit because he smoked, and I was like, oh. 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:33.560 I mean, like, do you want to go outside? You know, 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:34.119 like whatever. 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:37.840 We were dating, and then I fully quit for five years. 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:40.839 Soon into us dating, I quit for five years. And 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:43.600 then my bachelorette party is where my friend started forcing 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:44.440 me to smoke cigarettes. 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:46.520 They were like, you've been quit for five years, who cares? 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:51.240 And then I sloped down that slope pretty quick and 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:53.720 I was buying packs, hiding them, sneaking out. 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:57.840 Yeah, very Carrie Bradshaw of you. Yeah you're Carrie and Misty. 0:05:57.880 --> 0:05:58.760 How do you feel that yet? 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:03.800 But I'm quit now like years without really any cheating. 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:05.719 Like I cheated at a bacherette party that you and 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:07.880 I were both at, and I took two drags and 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:09.280 I was like this was a mistake because I was 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:11.720 extremely drunk, and I was like, this was a bad idea. 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:13.600 And then I like, I really barely ever changed. 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:15.560 I think we had the same thing at that bachelorette 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:18.359 party where we went so hard Friday that Saturday, I 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:22.240 could barely even look at liquor. Yeaike, I was mostly 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:24.599 eating those little Munster Hawaiian bread. 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:27.719 I remember having full conversations with you at like the 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:31.160 club because you and I were like sober yea. And 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:34.200 then I had to escort one of our friends home 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:35.600 because she was too blacked. 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:39.200 Yeah, And I procured the Mollie and then wouldn't take it, 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:41.760 and I people did try to bully me into taking it, 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:45.279 and I was like, no, I'm not in the mood 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:45.680 for malli. 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:46.040 Oh. 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:48.040 Someone did write us a while ago saying that they 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:51.040 don't like that we promote drug use. Well, get with it, bitch. 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:54.200 How do you like that we do drugs here? We 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:58.479 do drugs on this podcast in this house Lives Matter, 0:06:58.600 --> 0:06:58.880 and we. 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:05.800 Do drugs, and this house Black Lives Matter, we do 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:07.720 recreational drugs. 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:11.640 Let's get one of those posters. 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:17.200 See what else do we do? 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:19.440 And we watch SVU. 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:23.040 Okay, So I met someone new yesterday and they talked 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:24.840 about SVU in a way I didn't like, to the 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:26.760 point where I went, I don't think this is working. 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:27.920 I don't like the vibe. 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:28.120 And I. 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:31.119 Ended the hangout very early. 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:32.480 Ah. 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:34.440 They were just talking about SVU in a way where 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:37.160 I was like, oh, I don't I don't think this 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:39.680 is gonna work, just being like, isn't that funny, And 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:42.600 it's like, no, it's actually heartbreaking. So I don't think 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:44.400 we're gonna that's not funny at all. 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:46.200 They were like talking about the show in like a 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:47.560 flippant way kind. 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:50.040 Of yeah, and it was like it was Careese's family 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:52.480 and it was like, oh, Caresee's dumb sister and that 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:55.040 fat brother in law and all of that. And he 0:07:55.200 --> 0:08:00.480 was like and she was like laughing, and I was like, yeah, 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:03.560 I care about Coreesy and his family, and yeah, like that. 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:06.720 Brother in law was getting sexually assaulted and it's important 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:10.320 that we tell stories about men getting sexually assaulted too. 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:12.960 Yeah, it was wild. It was just like I'm out, 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:15.600 I'm out. I can't have you talking about SVU in 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:16.160 this way. 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:19.360 Wasn't it Susan Sharon. It was Susan. It wasn't just 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:19.920 another thing. 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:23.240 It was like Susan Sharon gave us a performance and 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:27.600 it was a great episode and it's about people trying 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:30.000 their best and getting out of the system. And it 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:32.360 wasn't funny, and there were funny moments in that episode. 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:35.800 So I was just like, I gotta this isn't gonna work. Wow. 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:39.160 If you are somebody who has also kicked someone out 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:41.880 of your house or life because of their views on 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:43.400 sv Please dm us. 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:47.400 There were other moments, there were other like it was, 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:52.120 and then that was the one that was like I 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:56.880 gotta go, Yeah, you gotta go. And I think our 0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:58.360 listener we have to keep the short and I think 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:03.400 our listeners will appreciate that outside shoes touched my bread 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:05.720 spread and I had to go get your shoes off 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:09.120 my bed, and that was a bit crazy. It's crazy. 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:11.600 That's when I was like, that was the moment. It 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:13.480 was just like a lot of mom. 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:14.760 You've got to ask people if you're even allowed to 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:16.960 wear shoes into their house to their floor. 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:20.160 I know, but I love it. It's hard. I live 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:21.040 in a room, so. 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:23.200 Well sure, but you just in the bed. I'm just 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:26.760 saying the bedspread is ten levels away from the floor 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:28.480 and should never even be approached. 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:32.520 It's a problem. Well, listen, let's get in there. 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:35.920 We do have a super sized episode today, lots of info, 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:37.559 so we're gonna I know, you guys are like talk 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:38.960 as long as you want, but truly, this is a 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:39.319 big one. 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:41.000 So we're gonna keep that episode because we. 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:46.520 Have a famous crime, we have an outstanding guest, and 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:50.000 we have a classic episode that is a three hour trifecta. 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:58.880 So yeah, love you guys. 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:05.160 All right, this is Tragedy Season five, episode one, the 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:06.360 season five opener. 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:06.840 Everyone. 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:09.880 The show is really hitting its stride, and I read 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:14.040 that this episode marks svu's move to Tuesday nights at 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:17.640 ten o'clock from Friday nights, and Friday nights is usually 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:20.760 where they send TV shows to die. So I think 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.520 they probably started SVU on Friday nights because of like 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:27.040 the subject matter, and now season five it's kicking ass 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:29.600 and they're moving it to Tuesday nights where it can 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:32.880 really pick up some fans. And obviously I'm not talking 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:34.559 about TGIF for Friday nights. 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:37.760 Yeah, because if I was thinking that silently here, I 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:40.640 know all of you were, yeah, excuse me, the teenage witch. 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:41.360 No no, no, no. 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:44.120 Like family programming obviously huge, but like if you have 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:46.120 a show, a favorite show, and it moves to Fridays, 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:50.600 starts saying you're goodbyes, it's it's probably getting canceled. So 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:52.840 we open on a nine to one one operator taking 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:55.079 a call. She can't really hear anyone on the other 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:56.760 end of the line at first, but then she hears 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:59.640 an altercation where a guy's like telling a woman to 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:00.400 start the car. 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:01.360 She's crying. 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:04.000 They can tell that she's probably dropped her cell phone 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:08.040 and that she's getting carjacked. And there's no location, only 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:10.240 a cell phone number, and it is a nine one 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:11.840 seven number. And I would just like to say that 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:14.400 I always deeply coveted a nine one seven number when 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:16.480 I moved to New York because that was the first 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:18.840 exchange after two one two that you could get. And 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:21.720 I got six four to six, which is, you know, set, 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:24.040 it's the third one, it's just not the second one. 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:27.240 And so we hear the guy say I'm not going 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:29.320 to kill you. I've got something else in mind, and 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:32.920 it's like okay, and then the operator goes, sweet mother 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:36.720 of God, it's the carjack rapist. And that's credits. Maybe 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:39.520 the fastest credits we've ever gotten to. It's one minute, 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:40.920 one full minute. 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:43.600 Yeah, but I think the older ones were shorter. They've 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:46.559 gotten longer and longer. Yeah yeah, yeah, Now you can 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:47.679 go to four locations. 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:49.760 I'm writing a page and a half of notes before 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:52.760 we're hitting credits these days. Yeah, But then it's really 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:54.640 great the end of these credits, it's like, such a 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:55.160 good crew. 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:56.559 It's the whole original crew. 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:59.760 Plus I've count iced Tea as original uh and then 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:02.520 in cabit, so it's a really fun, really fun crew. 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:06.600 So Act one we open on our buddy Ruben Morales 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:10.680 aka Terreu aka Joel de la Fuente, and he is 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:14.480 playing the call for Benson and Stabler and they just 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:17.520 are like bending us over and giving us the exposition 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:19.480 as usual. They're like, we've been after this guy for 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:21.720 a month. He blitzed his first four victims from behind, 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:23.800 then he knocks them out, rapes him, and steals their car. 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:27.280 Something must have gone wrong, like why does this? Why 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:29.960 did we haven't found the woman or there hasn't been 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:33.080 you know. So they're like, can we enhance the voice 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:35.200 and it's like not really because that doesn't exist. But 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:37.280 Terru's like, I'll try and see what I can do, 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:41.000 and they're like what about location? And they're able to 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:43.200 find a couple towers that pinged off of, but it 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:45.760 only narrows it down to thirty blocks and Stabler's like, well, 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:47.480 if the city had enhanced nine to one to one 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:49.800 for cell phones, we know exactly where this happened, which 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:52.680 is sort of shading NYC. But I'm also assuming that 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:55.280 they get this, like at least it's season or two later, 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:57.400 because we've seen hundreds of episodes where they track a 0:12:57.440 --> 0:13:00.560 cell phone as it's moving across the city. So anyway, 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:04.160 they do find one good piece of information, which is 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:07.240 that the cell phone belonging to the victim is one 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:09.000 of eighteen cell phones. 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:11.240 Least to the Studio Arts League. 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:13.719 So on the next scene, we open up with the 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:18.360 legend Magda from Sex and the City Lynn Cohen. Very 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:23.240 exciting and yeah, and she's a wonderful actress who has 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:26.120 been on two episodes of SVU and died right before 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:28.520 the pandemic in February of twenty twenty. And honestly, I'm 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:33.840 jealous of her anyway, take that back, just saying she 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:36.240 got to miss out on COVID. That's kind of nice 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:38.680 now she had. 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:43.080 Her other SVU episode's iconic. She's like a meatball maven murderer. Yeah, 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:44.439 so yeah, it's the best. 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:48.520 But here she's like this fun, easy, breezy like art lady. 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:51.240 Clearly has like a second home in Santa fe Like 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:54.560 it's very fun, and she's got like long flowing hair, 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:57.760 and she's explaining like what the artists collectives, what the 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:00.560 artists in this whole collective do? And she tells them 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:03.320 that the cell phone belongs to Anica Bergeron, who's a painter, 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:06.560 and they're like, hey, we need her address, and she's like, okay, 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:08.880 she lived by Thompson Square Park and then she drops 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:11.640 the bomb that Anica is home on bed rest because 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:14.640 she's pregnant and do in two weeks with a high 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:19.440 risk pregnancy dunt dunn, pretty crazy, Okay. 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:21.960 So they go to her. 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:24.480 Apartment and the super is all vary when you're here 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:26.800 your family, like, He's like, we all look out for 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:29.600 each other. I checked on Onnica last night at nine o'clock. 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:31.280 I've never heard of this building. I don't know where 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:33.640 this building exists where everybody's looking out for each other 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:35.680 and the super comes to check on you, but here 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:38.840 we are. He also says she has a car. It's 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:40.840 a big black Tahoe and I really hope they get 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:43.480 to the bottom of that because that's an absolutely untenable 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:46.280 car to have in New York City unless you drive 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:49.400 for a car service. And Benson and Stable are like, 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:51.600 why would she go out maybe she got a call 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:54.640 dump the Luds. Could that have been an alternative name 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:59.400 for our podcast, Dump the Luods? I just love the phrase, 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:00.360 But what. 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:02.760 Does luds mean? I don't get it the luds. 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:05.960 I think luds, hold on, hold on luds stands for something. 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:11.360 It stands for like local usage details that would fit 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:12.080 our podcast. 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:18.920 Yeah, we talk about details all the time, local and global. 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:22.880 Yeah, dump the Luds an SBU podcast. Okay, if anyone 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:26.200 ever comes for our name. So the super SSS he 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:29.480 hasn't seen any guy around the apartment since Daniel Lester 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:30.960 moved out her ex boyfriend. 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:31.960 He was a carpenter. 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:35.320 And in true SVU fashion, this super knows exactly where 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:38.480 his tenants ex boyfriend works and where that is located. 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:42.880 So it's like, oh, he works at this place that's 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:46.960 a fancy Granville construction whatever. So they go talk to Daniel. 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:49.520 He looks concerned. He says him and on Agar are 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:52.640 not in touch. Munch random emails like he knows nothing 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:55.960 about a baby, and then in walks quite the pair. 0:15:56.120 --> 0:16:00.320 It's Kelly Martin of life goes on Fame, who I'm 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:02.480 sure you've seen in something else. I mean, she's in 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:05.840 tons of stuff and Shirley Knight, who has one hundred 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:07.760 and eighty two fucking credits on IMTB. 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:08.920 She's so prolific. 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:11.120 You've seen her in something for sure, But what I 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:14.000 recognize her from always it always is in my mind. 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:17.200 For some reason, was a nineteen ninety five TV movie 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:21.240 about the McMartin family called Indictment The McMartin Trial. Do 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:23.320 you remember hearing about the McMartin family. No, I was 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:26.200 just about to ask, what is that They ran a 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:30.120 daycare and they got accused of molesting the children in 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:32.320 the daycare and they didn't do anything. It was a 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:34.400 full witch hunt. It was one of those things that 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:37.080 svu's actually done it before where the kids were all 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:39.320 just talking to their parents and picking up cues from 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:41.800 their parents, and their parents were like, didn't something happen, 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:44.080 and didn't this happen? And so all these kids started 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:47.200 saying that something happened and nothing had happened. This was 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:49.280 just like a family and their lives got ruined and 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:52.560 it was like a full huge case. In the nineties, 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:55.320 I think I think the movies were all in the nineties, 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:56.480 like the TV movies about it. 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:59.120 But she was a member very Children's Hour. 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:02.880 Yeah, and I remember her so well from this movie 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:05.480 that I watched when I was, you know, like a kid. 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:09.879 So anyway, this woman, surely Night I recognize from this 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:13.080 episode because it is that iconic of a perforements and 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:15.240 I just love that she looks wealthy. 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:17.600 Yeah, we have not mentioned that either. 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:20.919 Like, this episode to me is like top ten iconic episodes, 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:24.040 Like I always think of this episode. I've seen it 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:28.040 probably at least ten times. But it was cool to 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:31.240 rewatch it, especially now as someone who has given birth. 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:32.600 So we'll get into that later. 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:36.440 Anyway, these two blow in and they are clearly mother 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:38.520 and daughter. They come into the room, the mom is 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:41.200 blathering about flowers, so obviously there's some kind of wedding 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:43.400 in the works, and that we are introduced to them 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:47.480 as Rose and Melinda Granville. Melinda the younger is Kelly 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:51.679 Martin is Daniel's fiance, and Rose Granville, the mother is 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:55.400 his boss, so she owns this, you know, lucrative Construction 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:59.840 Contracting Company or whatever it is. Daniel gives the cops 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:03.560 that contact info for Laura, who is Anica's sister who 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:08.520 lives in Jersey. Okay, now they're talking to Laura, and 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:11.320 she's like, Anica doesn't own a car. The tahoe is mine, 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:13.119 And I'm like, okay, that makes much more sense that 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:15.840 a person from New Jersey would own a tahoe, not 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:18.879 a person living in Manhattan. And then here is where 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:21.840 I pieced together that this sister Laura is played by 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:26.160 an actress named Marissa Ryan, who plays Abby Bernstein, one 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:29.320 of my all time favorite characters in Wet Hot American Summer. 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:30.800 What a blessing. 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:33.679 It's amazing. Yeah, one of the best movies ever. And 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:37.240 I wonder if her and Maloney went down memory lane. 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:40.800 You know that's so true. Yes, that's so true. 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:43.040 I wonder if they hugged, if they ate some brown 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:44.880 rice together during lunch, like. 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:46.439 Yes, what the vibe was? 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:50.240 Well, yeah, okay, so Wet Hot would have come out 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:54.160 two thousand and one. Ah okay, so two years later 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:55.800 there were united. I wonder if he got her the job. 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:57.800 I wonder if he's like, there's this great girl, Abby Burns. 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:00.560 Sure that it was like a really bonding set like I, 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:02.560 you know, and everyone was making each other laugh. It 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:05.760 was so many like young people about to pop Elizabeth 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:07.440 Banks pull right like I. 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:10.080 It just was I bet they became friends. 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:12.880 I'm yeah, I wish we could find out how they 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:14.520 interacted on this set together. 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:15.920 But it's exciting. 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:18.560 Well, I'm I just like love this character in the 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:21.119 movie so much like my sister and I and my 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:24.919 friends from camp, like we always go don't go, Like 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:28.280 it's like this line she has, like and like, you know, 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:31.280 Ken Marino's always like wait for me, Abby Burnstein. So 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:33.439 like this is if you watch that movie, this is 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:38.520 a fun little easter egg for you. So basically Abby 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:42.120 Burnstein slash. Anica's sister Laura is telling Benson and Stabler 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:43.520 that the father of the baby is. 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:44.320 A one night stand. 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:47.320 He's not in the picture, and she's like, Anica's like 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:49.600 so excited to be a mom. This baby's all she 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:52.840 ever talks about. So yikes, we're not like this isn't 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:56.480 like a great picture that's being painted here. Back at 0:19:56.520 --> 0:19:59.720 the precinct, Ice is definitely looking at the glass half dead. 0:19:59.760 --> 0:20:02.200 He's like, yeah, maybe the guy freaked when she was pregnant, 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:03.960 killed or dumped her body and took the car to 0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:07.320 a chop shop. And they're like, okay, Finn, let's proceed 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:11.280 as if she's alive and then Anica's obigu I N 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:14.120 shows up to like raise the stakes through the roof, 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:17.560 and he's like, Honica cannot deliver that baby vaginally. She 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:21.119 has placenta previa, which is where the placenta blocks the 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:23.600 birth canal. This girl needs to have a c section 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:26.200 and if she goes into labor it would basically kill 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:27.480 both of them. 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:30.320 Okay, so now the tension is high. 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:32.600 This is one of those countdown episodes that I don't 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:34.400 think you like, but this is where we are. 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:35.280 I like them. 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:37.800 I just the ones I hate are only when they 0:20:37.800 --> 0:20:40.000 go to talk to an old man who committed crime. 0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:43.240 Oh yeah, to find versus secrets, you know, I don't like. 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:47.000 Yeah, before he dies, before the statute delimitations runs out. 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:47.359 Yeah. 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:51.919 A pregnant woman in distress my favorite. 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:54.680 So they get a call that Morales got something off 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:58.080 the tape and they are they rush to Taru and 0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:01.960 figure that out. He basically has isolated all the noises 0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:04.879 on the call and figured out from like the sounds 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:08.640 of honks and the sounds of turn signals and noises 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:11.919 that they are somewhere by the FDR, which is the 0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:15.199 highway that runs up the east side of Manhattan. So 0:21:15.359 --> 0:21:19.520 now they basically are at some area by the FDR 0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:21.440 that they think looks like a good place to ditch 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:25.000 a car. Barnaby, the dog picks up a scent and 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:27.399 there's track marks on the ground like there was another 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:31.359 car there, But none of this matches them of the 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:34.040 car jack rapist. And also where is the car, like 0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:37.359 if she was taken into another car, where is her car? 0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:40.200 And they're like, maybe it got towed. There's a towing 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:42.800 sign right there that says no parking any time. So 0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:45.560 now yes, we're at the impound the car was towed, 0:21:46.320 --> 0:21:49.119 and Stabler's talking about how this might be a copycat as. 0:21:49.000 --> 0:21:50.120 He, you know, expertly. 0:21:50.200 --> 0:21:52.880 Jimmy's the window open because Stabler knows how to do everything. 0:21:53.400 --> 0:21:57.000 So Benson says, somebody targeted Anica, called her, lured her 0:21:57.000 --> 0:21:59.680 out of her apartment, kidnapped her. This was all planned. 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:02.720 When they get into the car, the driver's seat sadly 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:07.600 is soaked in blood, and CSU technician Judith Ciper is there, 0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:10.399 whose niece listens to our podcast What Up Girl, And 0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:14.320 she's walking us through all the forensics and she's basically like, okay, 0:22:14.320 --> 0:22:16.639 so what happened was Anica drove the car while the 0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:19.040 perp directed her from the passenger seat, so he put 0:22:19.040 --> 0:22:21.119 his hand on the back of her head rest, but 0:22:21.160 --> 0:22:23.480 he was wearing gloves. He's kind of smarter than your 0:22:23.520 --> 0:22:26.359 average dumb dumb And there are no prints, and she 0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:28.720 says she'll have more info in a couple of hours, 0:22:28.800 --> 0:22:32.720 but this can't wait. In walks CSU technician Bert Trevor 0:22:33.200 --> 0:22:38.040 aka Daniel Sunjada explaining that the blood is Anica's, that 0:22:38.119 --> 0:22:40.760 there's no amniotic fluid, so she's not in labor. But 0:22:40.800 --> 0:22:43.040 with the amount of blood that she has already lost, 0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:45.959 she's got thirty six hours until her and the baby 0:22:46.040 --> 0:22:48.760 both die. Put thirty six hours up on the clock. 0:22:49.320 --> 0:22:52.440 So tough news to hear out of such a hot mouth. 0:22:52.480 --> 0:22:53.919 But here we are moving. 0:22:53.680 --> 0:22:58.040 And I mean, Melinda Warner, all the CSU texts, their 0:22:58.240 --> 0:23:01.399 whole job is like to lead the case for like 0:23:01.480 --> 0:23:04.119 give a big clue. But his, for some reason or 0:23:04.160 --> 0:23:07.040 the most magical of all, I don't know. He's usually 0:23:07.080 --> 0:23:12.640 just comes in drops a bah I'm Lee's and maybe 0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:15.159 I'm paying closer attention because he's so hot, But like 0:23:15.800 --> 0:23:18.960 his scenes to me always seem like the news is 0:23:19.000 --> 0:23:22.720 always high stakes, exciting or a spin or I don't know. 0:23:23.080 --> 0:23:25.520 I like I like Burt. 0:23:25.760 --> 0:23:28.640 And remember, if you guys remember Joel de la Fuente, 0:23:29.280 --> 0:23:32.360 he said that when he joined the cast that he 0:23:32.440 --> 0:23:35.080 was supposed to play Bert Trevor, and they changed the 0:23:35.200 --> 0:23:40.639 name to accommodate his but somebody obviously still had a 0:23:40.680 --> 0:23:43.480 boner for the name Bert Trevor. Yeah, he brought in 0:23:43.520 --> 0:23:48.080 another guy to play Birt Trevor. So, which is Burt 0:23:48.119 --> 0:23:51.040 Trevor is a very like TV name, I feel like. 0:23:51.200 --> 0:23:54.480 But so the top of that two, Craigan's like, what's 0:23:54.520 --> 0:23:56.320 the motive? Like what's going on here? 0:23:56.359 --> 0:23:58.600 They're all like they're kind of teasing out, like what 0:23:58.720 --> 0:24:00.760 the story is. You're like, what could be going on? 0:24:01.160 --> 0:24:04.960 And Craigan goes, pregnancy elevates a woman's risk of intimate 0:24:04.960 --> 0:24:07.760 partner violence. Just in case you needed any more proof 0:24:07.760 --> 0:24:11.480 that being a woman is fucking awful. Everybody, Okay, this 0:24:11.560 --> 0:24:13.760 is the information that we're getting from Craigan that when 0:24:13.760 --> 0:24:14.400 you're pregnant. 0:24:14.520 --> 0:24:17.520 I thought people just like cheat on their pregnant wives. 0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:20.640 They didn't realize they start fucking hitting and murdering them. 0:24:20.760 --> 0:24:22.840 Oh yeah, I think so for sure. 0:24:24.400 --> 0:24:27.640 So liv suggests that maybe she got snatched for her baby, 0:24:28.080 --> 0:24:30.280 but like, still, there's no way that somebody who was 0:24:30.320 --> 0:24:32.680 on the prow for a baby just stumbled upon Anica 0:24:32.720 --> 0:24:34.760 on the street at three in the morning, you know. 0:24:34.840 --> 0:24:38.960 Ready to pop. So basically the luds have been dumped. 0:24:39.359 --> 0:24:42.440 And at three sixteen am, Anica got a call from 0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:46.000 a payphone a couple blocks from her apartment, and then 0:24:46.520 --> 0:24:49.000 that was fifteen minutes before the nine one one call, 0:24:49.080 --> 0:24:51.240 so this is all matching up. So then she made 0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:53.879 an outgoing call to a car service. They said they 0:24:53.920 --> 0:24:56.400 sent a car for her for an out of town fair, 0:24:56.440 --> 0:24:59.560 but that Anica never showed up. So she also signed 0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:03.480 online I went to map it now, which is an 0:25:03.640 --> 0:25:07.199 lol name for map quest, and then she looked up 0:25:07.280 --> 0:25:10.760 driving directions to Passic Hospital and Passaic, New Jerseys, where 0:25:10.760 --> 0:25:11.679 her sister lives. 0:25:12.200 --> 0:25:16.119 So she obviously called the car service. 0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:18.440 Then thought, oh, I could get there faster if I drove, 0:25:18.560 --> 0:25:20.480 and then just decided to like map quest it and 0:25:20.520 --> 0:25:24.200 head on out to Jersey yourself. So now they've brought 0:25:24.200 --> 0:25:26.800 the sister in. Abby Bernstein is back and she's like 0:25:26.840 --> 0:25:28.679 denying that she had anything to do with this, and 0:25:28.720 --> 0:25:31.560 she also confesses that she hasn't talked to Anica in 0:25:31.600 --> 0:25:33.720 a few weeks because they got into a fight, even 0:25:33.760 --> 0:25:35.439 though she had previously told them that she had just 0:25:35.440 --> 0:25:38.159 talked to her a few days ago. So it turns 0:25:38.200 --> 0:25:41.320 out Sissy's had some money troubles. Anica's been giving her 0:25:41.480 --> 0:25:44.959 half her paychecks. I love my sister, but I don't know. 0:25:45.840 --> 0:25:49.760 The credit cards are maxed out. Bankruptcy looks like it's 0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:52.880 definitely in the cards for this woman. And she says, look, 0:25:52.920 --> 0:25:54.840 my ex was a con artist. He ran up all 0:25:54.840 --> 0:25:57.240 these bills. Then he bounced. Why would I hurt Anica 0:25:57.280 --> 0:25:59.840 if Anica's like helping me? And she's like, maybe you're 0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:01.760 was like, oh, let's squeez a little bit more money 0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:04.480 out of Honica, and she's like, he's locked up in Arizona. 0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:08.400 It's not him, and then lives like, all right, Spilett, 0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:10.080 who's the father of the baby. And she's like, I 0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:12.920 promise I wouldn't tell. Okay, back and forth, Okay, it's 0:26:13.000 --> 0:26:17.480 Daniel Lester. All right, we're not casting Kelly Martin and 0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:19.840 Shirley Knight for no reason. Everyone they weren't just like 0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:21.880 gone in the first act of the show. They're back, 0:26:22.400 --> 0:26:25.440 So they go to talk to Daniel, who's walking around 0:26:25.520 --> 0:26:27.919 with an open robe, just shirtless in front of the cops, 0:26:28.720 --> 0:26:30.360 and he's like, I have an alibi. 0:26:30.440 --> 0:26:32.480 I was in Boston. Why would I kill her? 0:26:32.520 --> 0:26:34.520 And they're like, because she's carrying your child and you're 0:26:34.560 --> 0:26:37.520 about to marry another woman. And he's like, it's my baby. 0:26:37.600 --> 0:26:40.080 Like he has no idea, but you do believe him. 0:26:40.400 --> 0:26:43.280 So they're basically like, you guys broke up fourteen months ago. 0:26:43.440 --> 0:26:47.040 She's eight months pregnant. Clearly there was some post breakup dabbling, 0:26:47.160 --> 0:26:49.479 and he's like, I went over to pick up some 0:26:49.560 --> 0:26:52.520 tax receipts. We had a drink, then another drink. We 0:26:52.600 --> 0:26:55.440 fucked like it was like just whatever. We just laughed 0:26:55.440 --> 0:26:58.639 about it. The reason they broke up originally was that 0:26:58.680 --> 0:27:01.800 they fought about money. Thought he was selling out because 0:27:01.840 --> 0:27:04.119 she thought being a starving artist was cool, and he 0:27:04.240 --> 0:27:08.199 was like, peace, I want money, And they were like, 0:27:08.800 --> 0:27:11.120 so does your fiance know about this like one night 0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:14.840 indiscretion you had and he's like no, but I'm gonna 0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:18.119 have to tell her, and then cut to Melinda his 0:27:18.240 --> 0:27:22.080 fiance Kelly Martin in a full silk nightie and matching robe, 0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:25.080 and she's like, you don't have to tell me. So 0:27:25.280 --> 0:27:27.760 now back at the precinct, Benson his stabler are like, 0:27:27.800 --> 0:27:30.119 this dude could have easily used this Boston trip as 0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:31.520 an alibi and come back to New York. 0:27:31.560 --> 0:27:32.480 It's a four hour trip. 0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:35.040 He could have gotten rid Ofvonica so that she doesn't 0:27:35.040 --> 0:27:37.159 fuck up his plans to marry into a rich family. 0:27:37.600 --> 0:27:41.600 And Finn's like, guess who has a rap sheet? Daniel assaults, 0:27:41.640 --> 0:27:46.840 disorderly conduct, et cetera. This guy's oh yeah, crazy. So 0:27:46.880 --> 0:27:49.240 they walk into the precinct and there's like a full 0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:52.920 phone bank happening, and Kragan's in his like Sunday bests, 0:27:53.000 --> 0:27:56.199 like little pins and bobs with his navy suit, and 0:27:56.240 --> 0:27:58.400 he's like, one pp wants to go public. There's only 0:27:58.440 --> 0:28:01.280 twenty four five hours left save Anica. So we got 0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:04.120 twenty five hours on the clock. Now they're like, we're 0:28:04.160 --> 0:28:06.399 doing a press conference. We're putting her face on the media. 0:28:06.840 --> 0:28:09.240 Anica's sisters ready to go out and cry for the cameras. 0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:12.359 So there's a whole press conference going on. You know, 0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:16.760 car shows up, very reminiscent of Bully when. 0:28:16.800 --> 0:28:18.800 She shows up. I just love that scene so much. 0:28:18.800 --> 0:28:21.880 When she shows up and everyone's screaming at her, and 0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:25.640 a car rolls up and it's Rose Granville Shirley Night, 0:28:25.720 --> 0:28:27.560 and she shows up to speak to the reporters and 0:28:27.600 --> 0:28:30.480 she's like, Granville Developers wants to offer a one hundred 0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:33.919 thousand dollars reward, and she knows all about the baby 0:28:33.960 --> 0:28:36.480 and says, my daughter loves Daniel and that matters more 0:28:36.520 --> 0:28:38.440 to me than his one little you know, fuck up 0:28:38.600 --> 0:28:39.280 so well. 0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:42.080 And they're wasps, and I feel like wasps, very like 0:28:42.320 --> 0:28:44.600 the McDougall family and Sex in the City, like you 0:28:44.600 --> 0:28:47.960 can like, yeah, they slide problems under the room. 0:28:48.000 --> 0:28:49.080 Yeah, yeah, you can cheat. 0:28:49.760 --> 0:28:52.680 And also like a reunion hookup with an X eight 0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:55.120 months ago is different than like, oh, he was out 0:28:55.120 --> 0:28:57.640 patronizing sex workers or doing something that would bring more 0:28:57.680 --> 0:29:02.080 shame to the family, you know, in their words, not mine. 0:29:03.120 --> 0:29:06.200 So they're back at the precinct and Stablers goes, oh, 0:29:06.240 --> 0:29:08.680 they ripped a page from the OJ playbook posting a 0:29:08.680 --> 0:29:11.719 reward for the real killer. So he obviously thinks Daniel 0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:14.400 did it, and that this family's being like, we'll find 0:29:14.440 --> 0:29:16.520 the real killer. And I didn't even know that OJ 0:29:17.560 --> 0:29:20.080 did that. OJ probably put a reward up and was like, 0:29:20.120 --> 0:29:22.880 help me find the real killer even though I did it. 0:29:24.520 --> 0:29:27.760 So Finn gets a call from a guy, like a 0:29:27.840 --> 0:29:30.840 tip from this tip line. Everybody's answering phones and Finn 0:29:30.840 --> 0:29:33.160 gets a call from this guy and they're like, He's like, 0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:34.360 I think this is a legit tip. 0:29:34.400 --> 0:29:36.160 He knew Daniel Lester was the father. 0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:38.160 And they're like, did you set a meat And he's 0:29:38.200 --> 0:29:40.960 like two hours at the pedestrian island on sixth and 0:29:41.040 --> 0:29:45.080 fourth Avenue and the guy said Daniel has to bring 0:29:45.120 --> 0:29:48.040 the money, okay. So then they're strapping Daniel with a 0:29:48.080 --> 0:29:51.200 bulletproof vest telling him what to do. Rose brings the 0:29:51.240 --> 0:29:54.560 money in in a briefcase or whatever, and then Daniel 0:29:55.080 --> 0:29:56.960 is standing in the middle of the street like on 0:29:57.000 --> 0:29:57.960 the pedestrian island. 0:29:58.400 --> 0:29:59.400 And I don't. 0:29:59.240 --> 0:30:01.280 Understand why people always think the cops are not coming 0:30:01.280 --> 0:30:03.480 to a ransom drop, like you just you have to 0:30:03.520 --> 0:30:05.600 figure out a different way to hand off ransom money. 0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:07.920 There needs to be like wiring to an account in 0:30:07.960 --> 0:30:10.160 the Cayman or something like that, Like the cops are 0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:13.280 always going to be at the ransom drop. And so 0:30:14.720 --> 0:30:18.480 this random dude starts making his way to Daniel he's 0:30:18.520 --> 0:30:21.400 like generically sketchy looking. So he walks up to him 0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:22.920 and he goes give me the money, and Daniel's like, 0:30:22.960 --> 0:30:26.560 where's Anica. They have a full scuffle and then oopsie Daisy. 0:30:26.600 --> 0:30:29.080 He pushes this man into the street, where he proceeds 0:30:29.120 --> 0:30:32.400 to get fully mauled by a town car and pretty 0:30:32.480 --> 0:30:34.840 much dies right there on the street with Olivia Benson 0:30:34.880 --> 0:30:36.440 going Where'sonica, Where'sonica? 0:30:36.440 --> 0:30:38.360 And he's like, you know gone. 0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:43.440 So recently saw Ronnie Ching reposted this video and it 0:30:43.640 --> 0:30:46.640 was two guys in New York fighting on the subway 0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:49.640 platform and one guy fell into the tracks and the 0:30:49.680 --> 0:30:51.719 guy he was fighting with went picked him up. 0:30:51.760 --> 0:30:52.400 They like hugged. 0:30:52.400 --> 0:30:53.880 He was like thanks for saving me, and then they 0:30:53.920 --> 0:30:58.880 started fighting again, like in each other's faces, and he 0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:00.640 and Ronnie wrote like this is New York in a 0:31:00.720 --> 0:31:03.080 nutshell where it's like we might hate you, but I'll 0:31:03.120 --> 0:31:03.680 pull you out of this. 0:31:03.760 --> 0:31:05.400 Yeah, I'm gonna let you get run over by a 0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:07.680 subway car, but then I'm. 0:31:07.520 --> 0:31:08.320 Gonna don't care about that. 0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:13.000 We're fighting again, like it's just so beautiful place. 0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:13.880 Yeah. 0:31:13.920 --> 0:31:16.640 So basically at the top of back three, we're figuring 0:31:16.680 --> 0:31:18.520 out suck you Daniel. 0:31:18.440 --> 0:31:21.080 Yes, why did you do that? Let's send to the cops. 0:31:21.680 --> 0:31:23.360 Yeah, well I think that they set up that he 0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:26.360 has a rap sheet to show you that he's got. 0:31:26.200 --> 0:31:26.920 Like a temper. 0:31:27.160 --> 0:31:29.240 You know that this is like because you before that 0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:30.640 you have this idea that this is just this like 0:31:30.760 --> 0:31:33.560 nice guy that works at like a construction company, and 0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:36.400 like you know, now he's like you get the temper 0:31:36.440 --> 0:31:38.760 thing because he just pushed a guy into fucking moving traffic. 0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:39.480 Uh. 0:31:39.520 --> 0:31:42.680 And the guy's name is Greg Jessic and he's basically 0:31:42.800 --> 0:31:45.600 muscle for hire. He like posts himself in like like 0:31:45.720 --> 0:31:48.800 crazy gun magazines being like hey, I'll do weird jobs 0:31:48.800 --> 0:31:52.600 for you, like kill people. And then he was obviously 0:31:52.640 --> 0:31:54.440 Paige paid to statch Anika. 0:31:54.600 --> 0:31:56.120 And now they've got nineteen hours. 0:31:56.280 --> 0:31:59.200 So they go to Jesse's apartment and Stabler's like what 0:31:59.280 --> 0:32:02.120 a dump And it is pretty gross, and there's tons 0:32:02.160 --> 0:32:05.080 of pictures of Onnica, like tons and tons, like he's 0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:08.680 been surveilling her. They find like meticulous records of what 0:32:08.720 --> 0:32:11.280 she does every day, like he's been clearly tailing her 0:32:11.280 --> 0:32:14.320 and writing down her every move, and they find records 0:32:14.320 --> 0:32:16.720 of two Western Union payments that came from a bank 0:32:16.760 --> 0:32:20.040 in the Caymans, and the Caymans unfortunately won't tell you 0:32:20.080 --> 0:32:22.640 shit about who owns accounts. They're very that's why people 0:32:22.680 --> 0:32:24.760 have accounts in the Caymans, because they're doing sketchy shit. 0:32:25.440 --> 0:32:28.960 So it turns out that Jessic they probably dumped the 0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:32.720 Luds again, and Jesic got a phone call from Sing Sing, 0:32:32.920 --> 0:32:35.600 which is where he had recently done time. So they 0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:37.520 go to This has a lot of locations in this 0:32:37.560 --> 0:32:39.840 episode too. It's like we're here, we're there, We're everywhere. 0:32:39.920 --> 0:32:41.800 So they go to Sing Sing. 0:32:41.840 --> 0:32:43.840 They're talking to the warden or whatever, and he's like 0:32:43.880 --> 0:32:46.640 the guy who called his name Sam Marlette. He hasn't 0:32:46.640 --> 0:32:49.800 had he hasn't had any visitors lately except for one 0:32:50.120 --> 0:32:53.600 Daniel Lester, And they go talk to Sam Marlette and 0:32:53.600 --> 0:32:55.880 he's like, Daniel always looked out for me. I'll die 0:32:55.880 --> 0:32:58.520 in jail before I say one word against him. Okay, 0:32:59.240 --> 0:32:59.960 that's how you want to go. 0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:02.120 He's the Roxy Andrews of Sings. 0:33:02.400 --> 0:33:09.640 Yeah, so true. So now they're at Daniel and Melinda's 0:33:09.640 --> 0:33:13.360 apartment and she's defending him and Benson goes, stand by 0:33:13.440 --> 0:33:15.720 your man. Sounds a lot better when Tammy Wynette sings 0:33:15.720 --> 0:33:20.040 it okay, Benson, and they find brochures for the same 0:33:20.120 --> 0:33:23.080 Cayman bank where the payments to Jesset came from. And 0:33:23.120 --> 0:33:25.800 I'm just like, loll a brochure as evidence. It's just 0:33:25.800 --> 0:33:28.080 so funny to me, Like I don't know, I just 0:33:28.120 --> 0:33:29.840 don't know why you have like a bank brochure, Like 0:33:29.880 --> 0:33:30.880 you just open your account. 0:33:30.880 --> 0:33:31.800 Why do you have a brochure? 0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:36.760 But she tells them basically. They're like, there's a lot 0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:39.600 of evidence against your man here, Melinda, So where is he? 0:33:39.720 --> 0:33:41.840 And she's like, he's at the new building site. So 0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:44.120 they go to the new building site where they arrest 0:33:44.240 --> 0:33:46.240 Daniel in front of his future mother in law and 0:33:46.320 --> 0:33:47.280 boss and Rose is. 0:33:47.240 --> 0:33:48.680 Like, oh, call my lawyer. 0:33:48.960 --> 0:33:51.080 So now we're in the final act of this episode, 0:33:51.080 --> 0:33:52.120 where the fuck is Anica? 0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:52.920 Let's get going. 0:33:53.480 --> 0:33:55.920 So, what's up the dude you just killed by accident 0:33:56.040 --> 0:33:59.320 happens to be the excelmate of your best friend Sam Marlette? 0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:01.880 Is that a couincient? Like what's going on? And Daniel's like, 0:34:01.920 --> 0:34:04.720 I have no idea what you're talking about. And they're like, listen, 0:34:05.120 --> 0:34:08.959 you only paid Jesic ten thousand dollars. The reward from 0:34:09.080 --> 0:34:12.400 Granville was one hundred thousand. It was too tempting for Jesick. 0:34:12.440 --> 0:34:15.480 He wanted both payments. So Daniel's like, I never met 0:34:15.480 --> 0:34:17.200 this Jesic guy in my life. And they're like, what 0:34:17.239 --> 0:34:21.799 about these Cayman Island brochures And he's like, Okay, you're right, 0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:22.399 I did it. 0:34:22.480 --> 0:34:23.319 And it's really weird. 0:34:23.400 --> 0:34:25.200 It's like a very weird turn, Like he just gets 0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:26.640 kind of a look on his face and he's like, 0:34:26.680 --> 0:34:29.560 you're right, I did it. But he doesn't know where 0:34:29.560 --> 0:34:31.239 he took her. He doesn't know where Jesic took her. 0:34:31.280 --> 0:34:33.080 He's like, I hired Jesick, but I don't know where 0:34:33.120 --> 0:34:35.480 she is. And Stabler's like, I'm going to put the 0:34:35.600 --> 0:34:39.760 needle in you on myself. And then Rose Granville shows 0:34:39.840 --> 0:34:42.640 up and is vehemently defending Daniel and she says he 0:34:42.680 --> 0:34:44.919 loves Melinda and he isn't marrying her for her money, 0:34:44.920 --> 0:34:47.799 and he is incapable of violence. And Rose is going 0:34:47.840 --> 0:34:50.720 to try to use her connects to get Daniel off basis. 0:34:50.760 --> 0:34:52.840 She basically just says like, I'm going to call my 0:34:52.840 --> 0:34:55.239 friend who went to college with the DA. Yeah, like, 0:34:55.960 --> 0:34:59.920 so I'm rich, bitch, and so the crime lab has something, 0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:02.760 and we got Judith Cipher back on the case again 0:35:03.360 --> 0:35:06.960 and she has found a receipt in Jesic's pocket that 0:35:07.080 --> 0:35:08.160 is soaked in blood. 0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:11.760 But cocky CSU tech do not bring you around for nothing. 0:35:12.200 --> 0:35:16.319 She used uh she was able to unfold it, like 0:35:16.360 --> 0:35:18.440 it took her an hour to unfold it without like 0:35:18.480 --> 0:35:21.719 obliterating it. And then she used lasers to see what 0:35:21.840 --> 0:35:23.800 was on the receipt. So she just like fucks with 0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:26.120 all these nanos on the laser until she can see 0:35:26.120 --> 0:35:29.239 that it's a gas station receipt for the Rockaways. 0:35:29.600 --> 0:35:31.600 And Stabler's like, I know where that is. 0:35:31.640 --> 0:35:33.719 I just spent my summers up there because he is 0:35:33.800 --> 0:35:34.840 so fucking queens. 0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:38.359 It's ridiculous. And uh no, I follow a. 0:35:38.320 --> 0:35:41.239 Couple and they I think they could have afforded a 0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:44.359 house anywhere, but they got there's like summer weekend home 0:35:44.400 --> 0:35:45.239 in the Rockaways. 0:35:45.600 --> 0:35:46.720 And I think it's genius. 0:35:46.840 --> 0:35:49.600 Yeah, Like while close sit in traffic to go to 0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:53.279 the Hampton's when you can take the fucking train if 0:35:53.280 --> 0:35:53.919 you really want. 0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:54.840 It's so smart. 0:35:55.280 --> 0:35:57.520 On the beach, you're close to the city, you could 0:35:57.520 --> 0:35:58.640 stay and still go to work. 0:35:58.760 --> 0:36:01.960 Like I just I really impressed with. I bet that's 0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:03.480 going to become bigger and bigger too. 0:36:03.680 --> 0:36:05.400 I bet you the Rockaways is going to be like 0:36:05.560 --> 0:36:10.480 blow up, yeah, because that's like like the Hampton sure whatever. 0:36:10.640 --> 0:36:12.440 It's like the traffic in and out is. 0:36:12.360 --> 0:36:15.399 Psychotic, like, yeah, you could take the subway to fucking yeah. 0:36:15.440 --> 0:36:18.080 Berkshire's as far, like all of people's summer homes seem 0:36:18.160 --> 0:36:21.160 like kind of annoying that I'm sure you know that. 0:36:21.239 --> 0:36:24.799 My Brooklyn Brighton Beach family, they would send all the 0:36:24.880 --> 0:36:27.520 kids with the grandparents to their pocono's house for the 0:36:27.560 --> 0:36:29.040 whole summer and only see. 0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:34.640 Them on the weekends. Oh that's great. Isn't that weird? 0:36:35.480 --> 0:36:38.759 Okay, so the gas station attendance is like yeah, he 0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:44.280 seems him, and he tells he tells them. They're like okay, well, 0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:45.960 like did you know which way he came from? 0:36:45.960 --> 0:36:46.759 And he's like nah. 0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:48.400 And then they're like, okay, well, if you wanted to 0:36:48.440 --> 0:36:50.440 do something sketchy and fucked up, where would you do 0:36:50.440 --> 0:36:52.560 it around here? And he's like there's some abandoned cottages 0:36:52.560 --> 0:36:55.120 out on the beach and they're like okay, great, and 0:36:55.160 --> 0:36:56.920 then as they're running away, he goes you won't make 0:36:56.960 --> 0:36:59.160 it in that car. Here, take my truck and like 0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:02.200 cat passes the his keys, which is I think so funny. 0:37:02.640 --> 0:37:04.879 It is, but someone that he I bet he loves. 0:37:04.960 --> 0:37:06.400 I bet he's a Blue Lives match. 0:37:07.840 --> 0:37:11.239 Blue Line flag for sure, hanging from his gas station. Way, 0:37:11.600 --> 0:37:14.520 no way, no day, he doesn't. Okay, yeah, so he 0:37:14.640 --> 0:37:16.880 They ride up to the cottages in this like fun 0:37:16.920 --> 0:37:20.360 red truck and then they hear somebody immediately yelling for help, 0:37:20.480 --> 0:37:24.920 and they bust into this abandoned cottage. They find Anica 0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:28.000 tied to a dirty mattress. Tied up on a dirty mattress, 0:37:28.040 --> 0:37:30.840 She's so bloody, it's really horrible. She's been in labor 0:37:30.920 --> 0:37:33.960 all day. She says, please save my baby, and she 0:37:34.000 --> 0:37:36.160 doesn't care if she dies. Basically, he tells her, like, 0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:37.600 you'll die if you give birth to this baby now, 0:37:37.600 --> 0:37:38.840 and she's like, just save my baby. 0:37:38.880 --> 0:37:41.440 It's like so tough to watch. 0:37:41.480 --> 0:37:44.520 And then Sabler goes into daddy delivery mode because he 0:37:44.520 --> 0:37:47.520 obviously has ninety children and has given birth to all 0:37:47.520 --> 0:37:50.920 of them himself. And Anka tells him that the baby's 0:37:51.000 --> 0:37:55.840 name is Celia, and she says, Melinda wasn't supposed to 0:37:55.840 --> 0:37:58.560 tell she came by to see me. So now we're 0:37:58.560 --> 0:38:01.040 getting some sketchy information. What does Melinda have to do 0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:05.839 with this? So Stabler delivers the baby, wraps it in newspaper, 0:38:05.960 --> 0:38:08.600 and it seems like everything's okay. The baby's like crying, 0:38:08.719 --> 0:38:12.120 she's cute, she's everything's good. She hands Anika the baby 0:38:12.160 --> 0:38:13.839 and she's like, I love you, baby girl. And I'm 0:38:13.840 --> 0:38:16.360 like tearing up because I'm like, giving birth is so 0:38:16.560 --> 0:38:19.480 fucking horrible as it is in a hospital with all 0:38:19.480 --> 0:38:22.040 the comforts that you can be afforded, drugs, et cetera. 0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:24.760 So I just can't imagine being chained in a fucking 0:38:24.760 --> 0:38:27.560 abandoned beach house like bleeding out while I'm giving birth. 0:38:28.640 --> 0:38:32.160 And then Stabler asks like, why did the guy bring 0:38:32.200 --> 0:38:35.040 you here? And she goes she paid him to and 0:38:35.120 --> 0:38:37.880 Stabler goes who. And then Anica starts passing out and 0:38:37.880 --> 0:38:40.440 Finn's like, I'm losing her pulse and they try to 0:38:40.440 --> 0:38:42.719 get her to hang on. We hear sirens and this 0:38:42.800 --> 0:38:45.719 is like really good Stabler work, Like you're loving Stabler here. 0:38:45.760 --> 0:38:48.239 He's doing everything to keep this woman alive. He's like 0:38:48.680 --> 0:38:51.440 he's invested. He really is like desperate. It's like his 0:38:51.480 --> 0:38:54.760 own wife is giving birth here. So in the next scene, 0:38:54.800 --> 0:38:58.479 they bring Daniel into the hospital and Benson's like, drop 0:38:58.560 --> 0:39:00.480 the act. You didn't do this, and he's like, yeah, 0:39:00.520 --> 0:39:04.120 I did. And Benson's like, you're covering for Melinda. Anka 0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:07.640 told us everything before she died, and that just like 0:39:07.719 --> 0:39:09.960 crushed me. I was very sad that she died. Obviously, 0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:11.920 they toyed with us. They told me, I know, I've 0:39:11.920 --> 0:39:15.399 seen the episode ten times, but I think when you win, 0:39:15.520 --> 0:39:18.480 SVU gets to you, you live right like that, that's 0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:19.359 the agreement we have. 0:39:19.520 --> 0:39:20.600 You don't just die later. 0:39:20.760 --> 0:39:23.080 It made me sad, I know that, But also, why 0:39:23.080 --> 0:39:25.680 would you protect Melinda at this point she sucks, like 0:39:25.680 --> 0:39:27.360 you still want to be with her, like you would. 0:39:27.120 --> 0:39:28.480 Still go to jail for her? 0:39:28.600 --> 0:39:29.000 She like. 0:39:30.880 --> 0:39:32.279 Took the kid, you know what I mean? 0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:37.000 I know. So Benson goes Anica told us you didn't 0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:40.120 know about the baby, but Melinda did. And then they 0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:43.200 bring Daniel Celia, his daughter, and they're like, if you 0:39:43.239 --> 0:39:45.480 take the fall for Melinda, you go to jail. And 0:39:45.560 --> 0:39:48.360 this baby girl is alone with no one in the 0:39:48.360 --> 0:39:50.160 world to help her, even though there is the aunt, 0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:51.520 but she's got money problems. 0:39:51.920 --> 0:39:54.800 Anyway, I do you think that's how my sister and 0:39:54.880 --> 0:39:59.480 niece and nephews talk about, like. 0:39:59.480 --> 0:40:05.080 Well there's lee but she's so Stabler goes to talk 0:40:05.120 --> 0:40:08.440 to Melinda and questioning and she's like great, can we 0:40:08.440 --> 0:40:11.440 go now? And he's like, we got to talk to 0:40:11.480 --> 0:40:13.920 you a little bit, and she's like, listen, when I 0:40:13.960 --> 0:40:16.200 fell in love with Daniel, I was scared that he 0:40:16.280 --> 0:40:18.399 still had feelings for Anica. So I went to go 0:40:18.480 --> 0:40:20.440 see her, and when I saw she was pregnant, I 0:40:20.480 --> 0:40:21.520 just knew the baby was his. 0:40:21.719 --> 0:40:22.520 What were you going to go. 0:40:22.480 --> 0:40:25.400 See her for to see if she still had feelings 0:40:25.400 --> 0:40:27.360 for him? Like, I don't what was that? What was 0:40:27.400 --> 0:40:30.480 the plan? And then Stabler is like you did this, 0:40:30.640 --> 0:40:32.719 and she's like I did it. And then they bring 0:40:32.800 --> 0:40:35.279 Daniel in and she goes to like embrace him and 0:40:35.320 --> 0:40:39.000 he's like, don't touch me. And she's like They're like 0:40:39.040 --> 0:40:40.759 you did this and she's like it wasn't me, and 0:40:40.800 --> 0:40:43.440 they're like, well, Jessic said a woman hired him, and 0:40:43.480 --> 0:40:45.719 no one knew Daniel was the father except for you. 0:40:45.840 --> 0:40:47.680 And then Melinda gets this look in her I like, 0:40:47.800 --> 0:40:50.160 oh no, I did tell somebody else, and Live is 0:40:50.200 --> 0:40:52.279 like spill it, and she's like, I can't, and then 0:40:52.320 --> 0:40:53.480 lives like, I'm smart. 0:40:53.600 --> 0:40:55.759 You told your mother, and. 0:40:55.560 --> 0:40:57.960 She goes, she would have known Marlette from the mailroom 0:40:58.000 --> 0:41:00.719 at work, because he Daniel had gotten him a job 0:41:00.719 --> 0:41:02.759 at the mail room at work, and she probably put 0:41:02.760 --> 0:41:06.920 the brochures in your apartment. And then Melinda goes, I 0:41:06.960 --> 0:41:09.000 didn't know until this afternoon when we went to get 0:41:09.000 --> 0:41:11.040 the mail money and I was short on cash, and 0:41:11.080 --> 0:41:14.200 our business manager told me that Daniel doesn't have a 0:41:14.280 --> 0:41:17.279 Caman account, only mom does. And that's when she knew 0:41:17.320 --> 0:41:19.840 that her mom had planned this whole thing. And she 0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:23.040 said it was too late to help Anica. I guess 0:41:23.080 --> 0:41:25.920 because Anka was they had already found her when she 0:41:26.239 --> 0:41:28.319 figured it out, and she's like, she's my mother. 0:41:28.400 --> 0:41:29.719 I love her. I didn't know what to do. 0:41:29.840 --> 0:41:32.319 And then Daniel sees Rose on the way out and says, 0:41:32.320 --> 0:41:34.480 how could you do this? And he says like, I 0:41:34.520 --> 0:41:36.279 know I'm not the best, Like I know I'm not 0:41:36.360 --> 0:41:38.520 like a pure bread, but I would have loved your daughter, 0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:41.760 And the mom is like that baby would have ruined everything. 0:41:42.080 --> 0:41:44.560 You've always been so trusting. Daniel would have taken your 0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:46.400 money and gone back to her and the baby. I 0:41:46.440 --> 0:41:48.560 did this for you. That's what the mother says, this. 0:41:48.520 --> 0:41:50.919 Whole monologue to her daughter. And then they. 0:41:50.880 --> 0:41:54.000 Arrest Rose, who clearly will get off because she's very 0:41:54.120 --> 0:41:58.720 rich and powerful. And Melinda's like Daniel, and Daniel's like bye, 0:41:59.160 --> 0:42:00.520 and that's dick will baby. 0:42:02.120 --> 0:42:02.400 Yeah. 0:42:02.440 --> 0:42:05.640 It's so tipsy turvy wild, And even though I've seen 0:42:05.640 --> 0:42:09.200 it a bunch, I'm always just like gripped by the mystery. Yeah, 0:42:09.280 --> 0:42:11.279 I never I'm always like, wait, which one of them did? 0:42:11.960 --> 0:42:12.120 Yeah? 0:42:12.200 --> 0:42:13.799 Yeah, yeah, and they did. 0:42:13.920 --> 0:42:16.200 I think they fucked up on casting though, because Daniel 0:42:16.320 --> 0:42:17.480 does look like a rich guy. 0:42:17.960 --> 0:42:19.319 Yeah, he looks like. 0:42:19.239 --> 0:42:20.000 A Yale baby. 0:42:20.000 --> 0:42:21.600 And they maybe should have given him somebody with like 0:42:21.640 --> 0:42:24.120 more like a New York accent or something, you know, 0:42:24.239 --> 0:42:26.839 somebody that seemed a little bit more like poor, yeah, 0:42:26.960 --> 0:42:29.080 or like just yeah, yeah. 0:42:28.960 --> 0:42:32.319 He looks like a hot rich He looks like James Marsfield. Man, 0:42:32.520 --> 0:42:36.360 what's the guy you know, twenty seven dresses James Marsden. 0:42:36.760 --> 0:42:38.960 Yes, that's the vibe I get from this guy, like 0:42:39.000 --> 0:42:41.719 a ha, you know, or that little swoop in his hair. 0:42:41.800 --> 0:42:46.200 I think, yeah, this also tragedy is I think of trade. 0:42:46.320 --> 0:42:48.600 Trade is similar to this for me where it's like 0:42:48.640 --> 0:42:52.000 the coffee coffee one. The rich like it's similar where 0:42:52.040 --> 0:42:57.040 it's like intertwining rich families girlfriends like parent's doing crimes 0:42:57.040 --> 0:43:01.320 for Yeah. So those two are cannon to me, and 0:43:02.480 --> 0:43:03.640 let's get going. 0:43:03.880 --> 0:43:07.680 Yeah, we'll be right back after we tell you about 0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:08.760 some delightful products. 0:43:21.000 --> 0:43:25.040 Okay, so this is famous huge you've you know, if 0:43:25.040 --> 0:43:27.440 you're not fourteen, you know you were alive, you know this. 0:43:27.719 --> 0:43:28.560 It was a big deal. 0:43:29.160 --> 0:43:32.600 We're doing the Lacy and Scott Peterson case and it's 0:43:32.600 --> 0:43:34.920 not that connected to this episode, and I was like 0:43:34.960 --> 0:43:37.920 getting nervous, and then Kara reminded me this episode came 0:43:37.960 --> 0:43:39.480 out six months after. 0:43:39.520 --> 0:43:42.640 So yeah, six or nine were connecting after. Yeah, Like, 0:43:42.880 --> 0:43:46.080 you're definitely when you're doing a pregnant woman missing with 0:43:46.120 --> 0:43:48.680 a high risk pregnancy, when the hugest case of the 0:43:48.840 --> 0:43:50.480 decade is happening, they're connected. 0:43:50.960 --> 0:43:54.040 Yeah. I Also I do have to warn you guys, 0:43:54.040 --> 0:43:56.879 this is a big one. If you're commuting to work, 0:43:56.960 --> 0:43:59.520 this might take you three weeks, So get a bubble up. 0:44:00.840 --> 0:44:04.040 I will keep you uh entertained to and from work. 0:44:04.320 --> 0:44:07.919 I also have to give a kind of heads up 0:44:08.360 --> 0:44:11.520 that I don't think Scott Peterson should have been guilty. 0:44:12.920 --> 0:44:15.080 I know you might come for me. 0:44:15.320 --> 0:44:17.839 I am dying to hear how you get to this, 0:44:17.960 --> 0:44:19.000 So let's let's start. 0:44:19.200 --> 0:44:22.279 Yeah, and it's it's the casey anthony of it all. 0:44:22.360 --> 0:44:25.440 I'm not saying he did not do it. I am 0:44:25.520 --> 0:44:29.560 saying if you cannot tell me how, when and where 0:44:30.080 --> 0:44:33.520 the murder took place, you cannot sentence someone to death. 0:44:33.600 --> 0:44:34.520 I'm sorry. That is fun. 0:44:34.600 --> 0:44:37.000 Okay, Well, let's let's take us through it because I 0:44:37.000 --> 0:44:39.799 don't know, honestly, I don't know all the details of this. 0:44:39.960 --> 0:44:44.080 Like I remember this story generally and like some of 0:44:44.080 --> 0:44:45.080 the salacious, Like. 0:44:45.160 --> 0:44:46.799 Yeah, I was young, I was in high school. I 0:44:46.840 --> 0:44:50.480 wasn't paying attention. So this was exciting. And then a 0:44:50.520 --> 0:44:53.600 part of me is nervous because I did supplement with 0:44:53.680 --> 0:44:57.080 a lot of sources. But the docuseries I did mostly 0:44:57.160 --> 0:45:02.160 watch they think Scott's it's very Scott Peterson heavy. 0:45:02.200 --> 0:45:04.000 So maybe I got into the propaganda. 0:45:04.480 --> 0:45:07.080 But I will take you through this case and you 0:45:07.360 --> 0:45:09.719 you know, we'll see what happens. If I'm gonna be 0:45:09.760 --> 0:45:15.280 a prior not so. In two thousand and four, Scott 0:45:15.320 --> 0:45:18.120 Peterson was convicted of murdering his wife Lacy and their 0:45:18.239 --> 0:45:24.040 unborn child. She went missing on Christmas Eve, so pretty exciting, 0:45:24.239 --> 0:45:28.000 I mean sad. But and this was in Modesto, California, 0:45:28.800 --> 0:45:31.240 and it wants to be known as like this agriculture 0:45:31.280 --> 0:45:34.360 sleepy town, but all the citizens and interviews were like, 0:45:34.520 --> 0:45:39.640 uh no. So the slogan for the town is water, wealth, contentment, health, 0:45:40.120 --> 0:45:42.840 and the little nickname for it is murder, meth and 0:45:42.960 --> 0:45:47.800 auto theft. So there's two like you know, distinct parts 0:45:47.840 --> 0:45:51.560 of this town. They did live in like the nicest 0:45:51.560 --> 0:45:53.959 part of Modesto, but it was very close to high 0:45:54.000 --> 0:45:55.040 crime area. 0:45:55.120 --> 0:45:56.520 And that's how most cities are. 0:45:56.600 --> 0:45:59.600 You're like millionaires row and then projects are blocks away 0:45:59.600 --> 0:46:02.440 from each other, as you know in Chicago at least. 0:46:03.280 --> 0:46:05.799 And it was a sensation. This is one of the 0:46:05.800 --> 0:46:09.960 most famous crimes in history, not even yeah twenty four 0:46:10.000 --> 0:46:13.319 to seven. News is entertainment and there's a formula. So 0:46:13.600 --> 0:46:18.040 you want to find a defendant who is enviable, you know, wealthy, powerful, 0:46:18.560 --> 0:46:22.319 also someone that depends on their popularity for their livelihood. 0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:25.600 That is something that you know, hits the media by 0:46:25.640 --> 0:46:29.759 storm and most importantly, and this is where this kind 0:46:29.760 --> 0:46:31.359 of tracks is are they attractive. 0:46:31.840 --> 0:46:34.399 Is the victim attractive? That was them? 0:46:34.600 --> 0:46:38.320 We want attractive people, rich people people. We want people 0:46:38.719 --> 0:46:42.960 being brought down, you know, as a culture, not us personally. 0:46:44.000 --> 0:46:47.440 I prefer to be around hot people. Okay, so I 0:46:47.480 --> 0:46:51.880 want hot people to live. Yeah, so Scott and Lacy 0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:55.120 were very hot. Also, what added to this kind of 0:46:55.200 --> 0:46:59.279 case in the pandemonium is there was another woman, and 0:46:59.360 --> 0:47:02.880 so you want every day because you're angry and you 0:47:03.440 --> 0:47:05.640 have all these emotions and you want to know what happened. 0:47:05.680 --> 0:47:08.280 So that's why it kind of like gripped the nation. 0:47:08.560 --> 0:47:13.919 And also it was Christmas time. News is slow, TV 0:47:14.000 --> 0:47:17.319 shows are on reruns, like there's not much going on, 0:47:17.600 --> 0:47:19.880 and so it was like kind of this perfect formula 0:47:19.880 --> 0:47:24.040 where this could have just been a local newscase, you know. Yeah, 0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:26.640 and Lacey there's not much about her, and this is 0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:29.560 it's like yeah, And I think it's because the documentary 0:47:29.560 --> 0:47:33.200 I watched was trying to free Scott Peterson. But I'm 0:47:33.239 --> 0:47:36.640 sure there's stories about Lacey. But she was twenty seven 0:47:36.719 --> 0:47:38.880 years old. She was a substitute teacher. She used to 0:47:38.920 --> 0:47:41.160 be a horticulture major. She liked being in dirt and 0:47:41.200 --> 0:47:45.360 plants and like that. Was her vibe. I just wanted 0:47:45.400 --> 0:47:49.319 to give you some information about her. Very smiley and 0:47:49.400 --> 0:47:53.200 fun and she liked the movie Superman. Okay, So Scott 0:47:53.239 --> 0:47:56.440 Peterson's account of what happened was they ate breakfast right 0:47:56.480 --> 0:47:59.560 away Christmas Eve morning. She got she got up a 0:47:59.600 --> 0:48:01.960 little earth. He waited like an hour or so, and 0:48:02.000 --> 0:48:05.600 then they watched her favorite show, Martha Stewart, which is 0:48:05.640 --> 0:48:07.839 funny to me for a young twenty seven year old 0:48:07.880 --> 0:48:11.320 woman to be watching Martha Stewart, like the number one show. 0:48:11.400 --> 0:48:14.240 But yeah, TV was different back then. Okay. 0:48:14.800 --> 0:48:17.160 Then he said that she mopped the kitchen floor and 0:48:17.280 --> 0:48:19.080 was cleaning, and it's like, why is your eight and 0:48:19.120 --> 0:48:20.600 a half month pregnant wife doing that? 0:48:20.680 --> 0:48:21.640 Why are you not mopping? 0:48:21.680 --> 0:48:24.760 I'm sorry, like you're trying to give us an alibi 0:48:24.880 --> 0:48:27.279 or like, you know, describe stuff. But in my head, 0:48:27.280 --> 0:48:29.760 I'm like, I'll fucking kill you. How dare she be mopping? 0:48:31.239 --> 0:48:33.319 So she went to take the dog for a walk 0:48:33.360 --> 0:48:37.160 and he decided to go phishing. To me, it's Christmas Eve, 0:48:37.400 --> 0:48:38.960 why are you going phishing? 0:48:39.040 --> 0:48:39.319 A lot? 0:48:39.400 --> 0:48:42.600 Like I just assume for Americans at least there's more 0:48:42.760 --> 0:48:47.399 kind of vibe, like you do more on Christmas. Yeah, yeah, 0:48:47.400 --> 0:48:51.280 so that is strange. So nine twenty to forty someone 0:48:51.320 --> 0:48:53.759 did see him load umbrellas into the car and go 0:48:53.840 --> 0:48:54.640 to his warehouse. 0:48:55.160 --> 0:48:56.120 At ten thirty to. 0:48:56.000 --> 0:48:58.080 Ten fifty six, he was at his computer at the 0:48:58.120 --> 0:49:01.400 warehouse doing stuff and that was easily tractable. Then he 0:49:01.480 --> 0:49:05.680 went to Berkeley to go fishing. And then so that's 0:49:05.880 --> 0:49:06.760 in Berkeley fishing. 0:49:06.800 --> 0:49:07.120 Scott. 0:49:07.160 --> 0:49:10.840 What was happening here with Lacey is at ten eighteen am, 0:49:10.960 --> 0:49:14.760 the neighbor saw the dog walking around outside the home 0:49:14.960 --> 0:49:18.920 with a leash and the collar, but no Lacey. So 0:49:19.000 --> 0:49:22.600 the dog, this Golden Retriever, very cute, had this leash, 0:49:22.719 --> 0:49:24.440 and so the neighbor took the dog and put the 0:49:24.440 --> 0:49:28.960 dog in the backyard. And then there's five sightings and 0:49:29.000 --> 0:49:32.680 witnesses remembering seeing a pregnant woman with a Golden retriever, 0:49:33.239 --> 0:49:35.120 and all of them had like a moment of why 0:49:35.200 --> 0:49:37.520 she caught their attention, Like she tripped one time. 0:49:37.640 --> 0:49:40.200 Someone was like, oh, she's so pregnant. Oh the oh 0:49:40.360 --> 0:49:43.000 that looks like our dog. That dog. You know, everyone 0:49:43.040 --> 0:49:44.120 had like a little moment. 0:49:44.440 --> 0:49:48.480 But as we know from SVU two, like witness accounts 0:49:48.520 --> 0:49:49.680 are not to be trusted. 0:49:49.760 --> 0:49:52.400 Because humanity is were fools. 0:49:52.680 --> 0:49:55.719 So this is going to become a huge part of 0:49:55.760 --> 0:49:57.920 the case, like who actually saw the dog? Are these 0:49:57.960 --> 0:50:00.560 sightings confirmed or not? So we we have all of 0:50:00.560 --> 0:50:05.760 these sightings of her. The sixth witness was a woman 0:50:05.800 --> 0:50:07.640 and she was having a smoke before her shift at 0:50:07.680 --> 0:50:11.080 the hospital. And I love medical workers smoking cigarettes and 0:50:11.120 --> 0:50:11.839 eating fast food. 0:50:11.880 --> 0:50:13.120 It's one of my favorite. 0:50:12.760 --> 0:50:17.359 Things because it just reminds us of like, of course, 0:50:17.360 --> 0:50:19.120 we all know the right things to do in life, 0:50:19.120 --> 0:50:21.440 but it is hard to complete these tasks and take 0:50:21.480 --> 0:50:24.280 care of ourselves, even when you're a fucking doctor. 0:50:24.400 --> 0:50:25.560 And I just like that. 0:50:26.280 --> 0:50:28.760 And she saw Lacy at the park by this creek, 0:50:29.520 --> 0:50:32.040 and she then saw two men yell at her to 0:50:32.080 --> 0:50:34.120 shut that dog up. So I guess this was a 0:50:34.280 --> 0:50:37.520 very badly behaved golden retriever. And again, we do not 0:50:37.640 --> 0:50:39.759 know if any of these witnesses are trustworthy. This is 0:50:39.800 --> 0:50:42.879 just the base account of what happened. Detective John, one 0:50:42.880 --> 0:50:44.720 of the detectives, like, I don't believe any of these people, 0:50:44.800 --> 0:50:46.719 and I believe that she was already dead by then. 0:50:47.280 --> 0:50:49.520 So there's like a couple of camps. There's a camp 0:50:49.560 --> 0:50:51.560 that thinks he killed her. On the twenty third, and 0:50:51.560 --> 0:50:53.400 then got rid of her body on the twenty fourth. 0:50:53.719 --> 0:50:55.719 Some say in the morning there was a murder. You 0:50:55.719 --> 0:51:00.000 know again, Wow, there are no answers. How do you 0:51:00.040 --> 0:51:00.399 set in. 0:51:00.320 --> 0:51:04.080 By this guy thinks that six people seeing a pregnant 0:51:04.080 --> 0:51:07.799 woman walking a dog were making it up. That's a 0:51:07.880 --> 0:51:08.600 lot of people. 0:51:08.760 --> 0:51:10.719 It is. It totally is. 0:51:11.360 --> 0:51:13.960 And you are like, you are memorable when you're eight 0:51:13.960 --> 0:51:15.840 and a half months pregnant. Your body looks like a 0:51:15.880 --> 0:51:16.759 body shouldn't look. 0:51:19.760 --> 0:51:23.000 Yeah, and well, and that's another thing where you're when 0:51:23.000 --> 0:51:25.200 I you know, I did give Kara heads up, I go, 0:51:25.280 --> 0:51:27.360 I think I'm on Scott Peterson's side. 0:51:28.440 --> 0:51:31.239 How do you think this will go? The thing with. 0:51:32.800 --> 0:51:34.480 This case, and we talk about this all the time 0:51:34.520 --> 0:51:37.200 in all other cases, is police fuck up all the time, 0:51:37.560 --> 0:51:39.680 so it wouldn't be that shocking and all of these witnesses, 0:51:39.719 --> 0:51:41.160 I mean, I'm getting ahead of myself, but it is 0:51:41.160 --> 0:51:44.279 a great question, Kara. The police never talk to these 0:51:44.320 --> 0:51:48.120 people again, all of these witnesses said that the police 0:51:48.400 --> 0:51:52.960 never contacted them for an interview. Ever, like there were 0:51:53.000 --> 0:51:57.480 tip lines, the cops did not listen because the cops 0:51:57.640 --> 0:52:00.279 had in mind what happened and they do lie to 0:52:00.280 --> 0:52:00.640 the press. 0:52:00.640 --> 0:52:01.839 They do a lot of fucked up shit. 0:52:01.920 --> 0:52:04.120 And that's the thing, Like, whether it's a likable or 0:52:04.200 --> 0:52:08.440 unlikable person, whether someone's guilty or not, we can all agree, 0:52:08.480 --> 0:52:10.440 the cops will find a way to fuck a case up, 0:52:10.640 --> 0:52:11.200 you know what I mean. 0:52:11.320 --> 0:52:13.160 So that's the thing. They didn't even talk to any 0:52:13.200 --> 0:52:16.960 of these people. Wow, but maybe. 0:52:16.800 --> 0:52:18.520 They didn't follow up with them because they were like, yeah, 0:52:18.600 --> 0:52:21.480 you were all full of shit. We know the neighbor 0:52:21.480 --> 0:52:23.640 put the dog away at ten eighteen, so there's no 0:52:23.680 --> 0:52:26.239 way you could have seen it. And she actually physically 0:52:26.280 --> 0:52:29.160 touched the dog and put it in the yard, and 0:52:29.200 --> 0:52:31.400 she knew the time because she had an appointment that 0:52:31.480 --> 0:52:34.319 she left to right away. So to them, everyone else 0:52:34.400 --> 0:52:36.440 might have just been like seeing another pregnant woman or 0:52:36.440 --> 0:52:39.080 making it up for attention, or seeing something else because 0:52:39.360 --> 0:52:43.200 they believed the first neighbor witness and also those other 0:52:43.239 --> 0:52:46.600 witnesses would contradict this witness. 0:52:46.600 --> 0:52:48.600 So it's like there is definitely a thing two of 0:52:48.640 --> 0:52:51.239 people wanting to be part of something so huge like that, 0:52:51.480 --> 0:52:54.399 yes for sure, yes, Like oh did you know I'm 0:52:54.440 --> 0:52:57.799 part of the Lacy Peterson case, Like, yeah, I saw 0:52:57.840 --> 0:53:00.560 her I'm one of the last people to see her alive, 0:53:00.760 --> 0:53:02.160 you know, like people love that shit. 0:53:03.160 --> 0:53:06.600 Yeah, I mean, I can't say that I wouldn't be desperate, 0:53:06.640 --> 0:53:08.279 but I wouldn't. I don't think I would make something. 0:53:08.280 --> 0:53:10.640 I would hope I would not make to fuss out. 0:53:11.760 --> 0:53:12.560 So back to Scott. 0:53:12.600 --> 0:53:14.640 At twelve fifty four pm, he as a receipt from 0:53:14.640 --> 0:53:17.239 when he parked his truck at the marina and he 0:53:17.360 --> 0:53:19.800 was there till two pm. He did not catch anything 0:53:19.840 --> 0:53:21.680 and called Lacy as he left there to go home 0:53:21.680 --> 0:53:24.680 at two fifteen, and he left a very sweet voicemail 0:53:24.760 --> 0:53:27.640 for her. But then he goes, hey, and I forgot 0:53:27.640 --> 0:53:29.640 to pick up the basket for Papa, so can you 0:53:29.680 --> 0:53:32.680 go pick up the basket? And it's like pick up 0:53:32.719 --> 0:53:36.279 the basket. She's pregnant. I was like, she's mopping, she's 0:53:36.320 --> 0:53:40.520 doing errands. What the fuck. He got back to the 0:53:40.520 --> 0:53:43.040 warehouse at four thirty pm to clip the boat back 0:53:43.080 --> 0:53:46.359 in there and then went straight home. She was not there, 0:53:46.400 --> 0:53:48.200 and the dog was in the backyard with the leash 0:53:48.239 --> 0:53:50.840 and the door was unlocked. But he just assumed that 0:53:50.880 --> 0:53:53.600 she was at her mom's house. But the leash, that's weird. 0:53:53.719 --> 0:53:57.359 If she came home, she would have unclipped the leash. 0:53:57.760 --> 0:54:01.200 But then he threw his clothing in the water right away, 0:54:02.200 --> 0:54:04.840 and that to me is shady, Like you don't do 0:54:04.920 --> 0:54:08.080 laundry on Christmas Eve when you're rushing like you put it. 0:54:08.320 --> 0:54:11.960 I just would not throw a load in. So again 0:54:12.320 --> 0:54:14.560 I'm not on his side. He does lots of shady shit, 0:54:14.880 --> 0:54:18.840 but so there's you know, I'm trying to be Yeah, 0:54:18.920 --> 0:54:21.560 he showered, which I guess if you were fishing, maybe 0:54:21.560 --> 0:54:23.799 you got sweaty. But again, that's weird to do that. 0:54:23.880 --> 0:54:25.040 I think in the middle of the day he ate 0:54:25.080 --> 0:54:29.320 pizza and milk. Disgusting. We used to be arrested for that. Literally, 0:54:29.840 --> 0:54:32.480 grow up. Yeah, dairy on dairy. 0:54:32.600 --> 0:54:33.120 I just what. 0:54:34.520 --> 0:54:40.319 I'm just like having diarya thinking about what's happening. So 0:54:40.440 --> 0:54:44.480 he called Sharon, that is Lacey's mother at five seventeen pm. 0:54:44.600 --> 0:54:47.080 Again, wouldn't you be doing Christmas? 0:54:47.680 --> 0:54:50.080 He fills the mom in like, hey, her car's here, 0:54:50.280 --> 0:54:53.719 but she's not, so I'm assuming she's with you guys, 0:54:53.719 --> 0:54:54.520 did you pick her up? 0:54:54.960 --> 0:54:56.160 And they're like, she's not here. 0:54:56.239 --> 0:54:59.399 So at five forty seven PM, Lacey's stepfather calls nine 0:54:59.440 --> 0:55:00.520 one one. 0:55:00.120 --> 0:55:02.560 And it's two thousand and four. Do they have cell phones? 0:55:03.200 --> 0:55:04.600 I don't know. I know I had a Nokia. 0:55:04.680 --> 0:55:06.840 I definitely played snake in high school and I graduated 0:55:06.920 --> 0:55:09.840 in five, so like I I'm yeah, I had a Nokia. 0:55:09.920 --> 0:55:11.480 I had a phone. I had a phone and no 0:55:11.600 --> 0:55:12.360 four for sure. 0:55:12.560 --> 0:55:15.200 So but yeah, wait was a so no, he was 0:55:15.280 --> 0:55:18.560 just charged in O four. This happened in OH one 0:55:18.760 --> 0:55:20.239 and two thousand and four he was convicted. 0:55:21.080 --> 0:55:23.439 Oh I'm so sorry she went missing in O one. 0:55:23.560 --> 0:55:26.080 Yeah yeah sorry, Oh okay, I didn't have a phone yet. 0:55:26.280 --> 0:55:29.600 Yeah, okay, good. I love that. 0:55:29.760 --> 0:55:32.080 It's how you have a phone is how this case is. 0:55:32.200 --> 0:55:34.200 I got one. I actually may have gotten one like 0:55:34.239 --> 0:55:36.360 that Christmas for my first one, and I left it 0:55:36.400 --> 0:55:37.560 in my room and never took it out. 0:55:37.680 --> 0:55:38.720 It was like weird because. 0:55:38.520 --> 0:55:41.800 I'm also thinking like people and in nine to eleven 0:55:41.880 --> 0:55:44.160 were leaving voicemails to their loved ones. 0:55:43.880 --> 0:55:44.360 And the plane. 0:55:44.520 --> 0:55:46.840 Oh yeah that's true, so it might have been around. 0:55:46.840 --> 0:55:48.920 But you know, Carrie Bradshaw didn't have one for to 0:55:49.000 --> 0:55:49.600 like see. 0:55:49.440 --> 0:55:51.080 Right, so like not everybody had one. 0:55:51.160 --> 0:55:53.960 Yeah, it wasn't like everyone has a cell phone thing yet. 0:55:54.239 --> 0:55:58.200 Yeah, So but I'm sorry, that I uptop said two 0:55:58.239 --> 0:56:00.640 thousand and four convicted. This is all place in two 0:56:00.640 --> 0:56:02.920 thousand and one and obviously takes years for the trials, 0:56:02.960 --> 0:56:03.920 so thank you for catching that. 0:56:04.360 --> 0:56:06.880 Yes, so al Borrokini. 0:56:06.520 --> 0:56:09.520 Is the detective, and everyone in this documentary series is like, oh, 0:56:09.520 --> 0:56:12.200 he's a bulldog, he's the best, he's beloved. This Broccini 0:56:12.239 --> 0:56:14.880 guy is a beloved detective. So the cops meet at 0:56:14.880 --> 0:56:16.399 the park and he's like, let's go to the house. 0:56:16.440 --> 0:56:18.840 We got to go to the house and they started 0:56:18.840 --> 0:56:20.560 going through all the stuff and there's no evidence of 0:56:20.600 --> 0:56:25.000 a forced entry or bloodshed or a struggle. She had 0:56:25.040 --> 0:56:27.680 plans for that afternoon and then she was just gone. 0:56:28.080 --> 0:56:31.719 So at midnight that night, they take Scott into the 0:56:31.719 --> 0:56:34.200 police station for a one hour interview and he was 0:56:34.480 --> 0:56:37.600 very cooperative to what they could see, like he was 0:56:37.680 --> 0:56:40.239 cooperating with them. So this is Christmas day. People are 0:56:40.280 --> 0:56:42.760 fucking working. It's kind of like a movie when you're. 0:56:42.560 --> 0:56:43.759 Like, no one would be working on. 0:56:43.840 --> 0:56:46.520 Christmas, this is bullshit, and it's like, nah, people are 0:56:46.560 --> 0:56:51.400 working on Christmas. So Alborkini then called another detective of 0:56:51.440 --> 0:56:54.640 the Medesto, ped John Bueler, and he was just wrapping 0:56:54.719 --> 0:56:58.839 up a double homicide on Christmas Day, so he was like, yeah, 0:56:58.840 --> 0:57:00.960 I'll work on this with you, Marie here and ignoring 0:57:01.000 --> 0:57:04.239 my family and again like I do want to fuck 0:57:04.239 --> 0:57:04.840 a detective. 0:57:04.960 --> 0:57:07.520 And it's so hard that they are cops. It's like. 0:57:09.719 --> 0:57:13.160 So attractive to solve a murder with evidence, and then 0:57:13.200 --> 0:57:17.240 it's like, uh, maybe a private okaybably no, private eyes 0:57:17.240 --> 0:57:21.600 didn't pass the police test, So I don't I have stand. 0:57:21.600 --> 0:57:23.840 But aren't there former cops that like leave the force 0:57:23.880 --> 0:57:25.040 and do private work? 0:57:25.240 --> 0:57:26.840 Yeah, maybe that's your goal. 0:57:26.800 --> 0:57:29.040 Like they hated their I don't you I CA don't, 0:57:29.080 --> 0:57:30.240 but I wouldn't trust a PI. 0:57:30.440 --> 0:57:34.280 That's the thing. They're like lying too much. It's all 0:57:34.520 --> 0:57:35.800 a little tough for me. 0:57:36.120 --> 0:57:40.200 So so Scott's there to do this interview, and that's 0:57:40.240 --> 0:57:42.440 the first time John has seen Scott, and he was 0:57:42.440 --> 0:57:45.640 expecting Scott to be like, are you working on this? 0:57:45.720 --> 0:57:47.960 What's this about? How about this? Are you finding my wife? 0:57:47.960 --> 0:57:50.440 But his behavior was very different from other people that 0:57:50.480 --> 0:57:52.640 he's dealt with that have just like have a missing 0:57:52.680 --> 0:57:55.880 loved one. He wasn't that interested in what they were 0:57:55.920 --> 0:57:58.680 doing or in the case, and their goal was to 0:57:58.760 --> 0:58:01.520 clear him right away. Like it, let's clear him, so 0:58:01.560 --> 0:58:03.440 then we can get to work on other shit. Like 0:58:03.680 --> 0:58:05.880 they're not sitting around, you know, like they're like, okay, 0:58:05.960 --> 0:58:07.240 let's like let's get through this. 0:58:07.360 --> 0:58:09.880 Let's go find her. So it's Christmas even. 0:58:10.440 --> 0:58:13.640 He agreed to take the polygraph, but then he talked 0:58:13.640 --> 0:58:15.400 to his dad and the dad is like, don't take 0:58:15.440 --> 0:58:16.040 a polygraph. 0:58:16.080 --> 0:58:17.280 Anything you do, don't do it. 0:58:17.880 --> 0:58:22.080 So he said no, and to them that's like the 0:58:22.120 --> 0:58:25.320 cops are like annoyed because to that, but I. 0:58:25.320 --> 0:58:28.280 See why not to take it because they're unreliable of course, 0:58:28.320 --> 0:58:29.720 and so that's what the dad said to him. 0:58:29.760 --> 0:58:33.360 The dad was like, listen, if they if there's anything weird, 0:58:33.560 --> 0:58:35.560 they could get like it's not worth it, like I'm 0:58:35.560 --> 0:58:37.520 gonna call a lawyer. We'll get a lawyer, like don't 0:58:37.520 --> 0:58:40.280 do this. But to the cops, it was like, why 0:58:40.280 --> 0:58:41.920 don't you just do the things we're asking you to 0:58:41.960 --> 0:58:43.800 do so we can move on if you're innocent, Like 0:58:43.840 --> 0:58:46.680 what is the issue. So him refusing the polly made 0:58:46.680 --> 0:58:50.160 them suspicious. Other weird behavior that they took into account 0:58:50.200 --> 0:58:52.120 was he didn't remember the kind of bait he used 0:58:52.160 --> 0:58:55.520 that morning while fishing, So that's strange like, you fished 0:58:55.640 --> 0:58:58.240 just twelve hours ago. You have your own boat, you 0:58:58.280 --> 0:59:00.360 obviously like it, Like, why wouldn't you know that bait 0:59:01.000 --> 0:59:05.800 that you used. Yeah, Also, his main concerns weren't Lacey. 0:59:06.000 --> 0:59:09.880 His main major concerns were his car door got hit 0:59:09.920 --> 0:59:13.000 by another door in the driveway, or he was getting 0:59:13.000 --> 0:59:15.280 stressed out that they were taking pictures of his boat 0:59:15.360 --> 0:59:18.120 and wanted his receipts and stuff, and so they were 0:59:18.160 --> 0:59:21.400 like but on his side, they were like suspic They 0:59:21.440 --> 0:59:24.080 were suspicious of him because he had a receipt from 0:59:24.080 --> 0:59:27.240 the boat docking place, but then they were suspicious of 0:59:27.320 --> 0:59:29.080 him because he didn't have the receipt from the gas 0:59:29.120 --> 0:59:32.040 station he stopped in. So it's like you can't have 0:59:32.120 --> 0:59:34.800 both ways, like did he save the receipts or did 0:59:34.800 --> 0:59:35.360 he not care? 0:59:35.480 --> 0:59:38.120 Like it? But they didn't like they didn't like his vibe. 0:59:38.840 --> 0:59:41.080 So, like I said, December twenty sixth, not a lot 0:59:41.080 --> 0:59:43.520 of news going on, and it became kind of like ohja, 0:59:43.640 --> 0:59:46.560 where everyone wanted to watch it, and every single channel 0:59:46.600 --> 0:59:49.920 and every every paper, every everyone wanted this. 0:59:50.640 --> 0:59:52.840 Hey, you're like at home, it's Christmas. There's like no 0:59:52.960 --> 0:59:55.480 new shows are on. You're bored with your fucking family. 0:59:55.560 --> 0:59:57.760 You're probably just like, what's going on with this case, 0:59:57.800 --> 0:59:58.480 and like, you know. 0:59:58.880 --> 1:00:01.520 Yeah, and so because of the frenzy, he was assigned 1:00:01.560 --> 1:00:04.440 like a protector guy. So he was assigned Ed Steele, 1:00:04.840 --> 1:00:07.720 who was a former sergeant of the Medesto ped and 1:00:07.800 --> 1:00:10.080 at the time, he was assigned to be Scott's personal 1:00:10.080 --> 1:00:12.920 liaison for him and the family to the police to 1:00:13.040 --> 1:00:15.240 kind of like help out, and he spent a lot 1:00:15.280 --> 1:00:18.440 of time with Scott. First perception that Ed had of 1:00:18.480 --> 1:00:21.919 Scott was he was very charming. So anyways, so there's 1:00:21.960 --> 1:00:25.360 a pregnant woman, you know, local news people got interested, 1:00:25.760 --> 1:00:27.920 and then people turned out to help and search for her. 1:00:27.960 --> 1:00:32.160 And so everyone's showing up, everyone's searching, everyone's involved. People 1:00:32.200 --> 1:00:34.280 didn't even know her but heard it on the morning 1:00:34.320 --> 1:00:37.280 news and people started to search. There was a volunteer 1:00:37.400 --> 1:00:40.440 center at the hotel that popped up quick and it 1:00:40.480 --> 1:00:43.880 was opened twenty four hours a day. So Ed Steele 1:00:44.120 --> 1:00:46.840 and his handlers show up to this help center days 1:00:46.880 --> 1:00:50.040 after Lacy went missing, and Scott was already there. So 1:00:50.080 --> 1:00:52.440 that's a good sign. You know, he's like helping with 1:00:52.480 --> 1:00:55.160 the search. But he says it was shocking that Scott 1:00:55.200 --> 1:00:59.200 was eating ribs because local restaurants were donating food to 1:00:59.240 --> 1:01:02.120 the search so could like eat and work twenty four hours. 1:01:02.520 --> 1:01:04.880 So he's eating ribs and he looked up to Ed 1:01:05.120 --> 1:01:06.520 and held the rib up. 1:01:07.000 --> 1:01:09.200 That was like leaking, he said, of the sauces. 1:01:09.320 --> 1:01:12.200 And he was just like, oh, hey, look at this 1:01:12.400 --> 1:01:14.720 rib and he was just like talking about the ribs, 1:01:15.360 --> 1:01:17.520 and it rubbed ed the wrong way where it's like, 1:01:17.720 --> 1:01:21.280 what what, how are you eating ribs? Chatting about ribs 1:01:21.320 --> 1:01:21.680 your wife? 1:01:21.760 --> 1:01:24.000 Well, it kind of reminds it reminds me of Gone Girl, 1:01:24.120 --> 1:01:27.040 you know, of course. Yeah, like when they're in like 1:01:27.120 --> 1:01:31.040 the pop up like volunteer center and then that woman 1:01:31.080 --> 1:01:32.640 takes a selfie with him and it's like that's not 1:01:32.680 --> 1:01:34.600 even what he meant to be doing, but anything you 1:01:34.720 --> 1:01:37.840 do looks like you're fucking enjoying yourself or like fucking 1:01:37.840 --> 1:01:39.200 off when your wife is missing. 1:01:39.400 --> 1:01:40.400 Yeah. Yeah. 1:01:40.440 --> 1:01:42.040 A lot of this stuff about him and how he 1:01:42.080 --> 1:01:44.600 acts though, it's like he does so much shady shit, 1:01:44.640 --> 1:01:48.840 it's pretty wild. But I am like, maybe he has autisa, 1:01:49.040 --> 1:01:53.400 Like maybe he has panic attacks in front of cameras, Like, 1:01:53.640 --> 1:01:57.080 h you don't actually know. I mean, he's probably killed Lacey, 1:01:57.160 --> 1:02:01.360 but like, yeah, you know, I under but that's the 1:02:01.360 --> 1:02:03.720 whole thing where it's like, even if cameras stressed you out, 1:02:03.800 --> 1:02:06.480 you would do anything to find your wife. Yeah, you 1:02:06.520 --> 1:02:09.560 would do anything. And they didn't like that. They didn't 1:02:09.680 --> 1:02:12.160 like that. And then the big news that everyone kind 1:02:12.200 --> 1:02:14.320 of knew was he kept saying like he kept talking 1:02:14.320 --> 1:02:18.600 about her in past tense, I loved her as she's 1:02:18.600 --> 1:02:22.840 still alive. So eight hundred and fifty telephone tips came in. 1:02:22.880 --> 1:02:25.280 You know, Craigan would be pissed and munch of all 1:02:25.320 --> 1:02:26.200 these people. 1:02:26.960 --> 1:02:27.520 In the city. 1:02:28.520 --> 1:02:31.160 But again it was all about the morning walks and everything. 1:02:31.480 --> 1:02:33.560 But the cops were not using the community tips. And 1:02:33.600 --> 1:02:36.400 that's according to Scott's sister in law and this documentary. 1:02:36.440 --> 1:02:39.480 So like, I don't know, you know, we can't trust 1:02:39.520 --> 1:02:40.160 his family. 1:02:40.280 --> 1:02:40.720 It's tough. 1:02:41.360 --> 1:02:43.880 So the twenty sixth round five pm, they have a 1:02:43.920 --> 1:02:46.480 warrant to search his house. Now, Detective John says the 1:02:46.520 --> 1:02:49.960 search warrant isn't even about finding physical evidence. It's about 1:02:50.040 --> 1:02:53.000 they get info from the behavior of the accused. They 1:02:53.000 --> 1:02:55.040 were there to see how he would act if someone 1:02:55.080 --> 1:02:57.760 wanted to search the house. Scott did not give permission 1:02:57.800 --> 1:03:00.480 to do the house. That's a red flag to them. 1:03:00.600 --> 1:03:01.240 Yeah. 1:03:01.320 --> 1:03:04.680 He also hired a lawyer. Your wife went missing a 1:03:04.680 --> 1:03:08.520 few days ago, Why do you need a lawyer? Yeah, 1:03:08.560 --> 1:03:12.160 So that was shady to them. December twenty seventh, it's 1:03:12.200 --> 1:03:15.480 three days missing. It is now a full blown media frenzy. 1:03:15.640 --> 1:03:18.120 News broke that thing like that, things were taken out 1:03:18.120 --> 1:03:20.320 of the house with the search warrant and it was 1:03:20.400 --> 1:03:24.200 just like bam, everything was wild now. Ted Rowland is 1:03:24.280 --> 1:03:26.360 kind of a popular figure here. He was a local 1:03:26.400 --> 1:03:29.480 reporter who was like the first person on the scene 1:03:29.560 --> 1:03:32.720 days ago. He lived nearby, he had nothing to do. 1:03:32.880 --> 1:03:34.880 He was like, you know what, I'm gonna go camp out. 1:03:35.200 --> 1:03:39.280 He camped out there every fucking day for months months. 1:03:39.040 --> 1:03:42.080 There's another local reporter I'll mention, but like there's two 1:03:42.080 --> 1:03:47.080 local reporters that, like legit, were so involved in this 1:03:47.160 --> 1:03:50.479 case from the moment, and there's like facts that become 1:03:50.520 --> 1:03:55.400 really important about that. So he rang the doorbell one 1:03:55.480 --> 1:03:58.280 day and Scott and the dog actually came outside and 1:03:58.320 --> 1:04:00.000 he was just saying how like he didn't really like 1:04:00.120 --> 1:04:02.280 cameras or want to be on camera or anything like that. 1:04:03.000 --> 1:04:05.040 And that was weird to Ted because it's like, again, 1:04:05.080 --> 1:04:07.200 don't you want to know let people know what's up 1:04:07.200 --> 1:04:09.400 and ask for help, like why aren't you grieving and 1:04:09.440 --> 1:04:13.880 looking upset ted? Described it as very aloof So now 1:04:14.160 --> 1:04:17.400 day four, finally this news of this burglary comes out. 1:04:17.800 --> 1:04:20.120 This is kind of a shady situation. So there was 1:04:20.160 --> 1:04:23.680 a burglary across the street from the Peterson house on 1:04:23.760 --> 1:04:29.680 Christmas Eve. Okay, so basically that day, a witness it's 1:04:29.720 --> 1:04:31.760 a close neighborhood, like everyone kind of knows each other, 1:04:32.160 --> 1:04:34.480 drove by the residence and it was her friend's house. 1:04:34.560 --> 1:04:37.960 So she noticed that there was a van and three people, 1:04:38.040 --> 1:04:41.720 suspicious people in front of her friend's home at eleven 1:04:41.880 --> 1:04:45.480 forty am on that Tuesday morning. Then days later, she 1:04:45.600 --> 1:04:48.160 was talking with a friend who's who said their home 1:04:48.240 --> 1:04:51.360 was burglarized on the twenty fourth, and that's when she 1:04:51.400 --> 1:04:54.160 put it all together and she goes, wait, I saw 1:04:54.200 --> 1:04:57.200 the people. That person went missing. Holy shit, And her 1:04:57.200 --> 1:04:58.880 friend goes, you need to call the police. You need 1:04:58.920 --> 1:05:00.320 to call the police. 1:05:00.440 --> 1:05:02.160 So that was actually the. 1:05:02.080 --> 1:05:04.400 First time the family felt hope and like maybe there's 1:05:04.400 --> 1:05:07.360 an answer and like, let's look into this burglary. Within 1:05:07.400 --> 1:05:09.400 a day of arresting the guys that were involved in 1:05:09.440 --> 1:05:10.000 the burglary. 1:05:10.360 --> 1:05:11.080 They realized. 1:05:11.120 --> 1:05:14.600 They concluded that it was not connected to Lacy and 1:05:14.640 --> 1:05:16.880 that the burglary is solved in it. Whatever, and it 1:05:16.920 --> 1:05:20.720 actually happened on the twenty sixth, So the police made 1:05:20.800 --> 1:05:24.320 statements and there's articles that the burglary actually happened on 1:05:24.320 --> 1:05:27.840 the twenty sixth, not the twenty fourth, But local news 1:05:27.840 --> 1:05:31.560 reporter Ted Rowland goes absolutely not. I was on the 1:05:31.600 --> 1:05:36.800 pavement every single day. If there was something that happened 1:05:36.800 --> 1:05:39.240 on the twenty sixth, I was on that street and 1:05:39.280 --> 1:05:41.200 I would have gone and interviewed them because. 1:05:41.000 --> 1:05:43.120 I'm looking for anyone, and the streets were empty. 1:05:43.760 --> 1:05:46.520 So the police lied about the date of the burglary 1:05:46.560 --> 1:05:50.160 to get people off their back and legit to the 1:05:50.200 --> 1:05:52.720 press said it happened on the twenty sixth, but Ted 1:05:52.760 --> 1:05:56.720 can confirm that's absolutely not true. Wow, and the witness 1:05:56.880 --> 1:05:59.560 saw the van on the twenty fourth, So it's like, 1:06:00.080 --> 1:06:05.440 what's going on. December thirty first, a thousand people met 1:06:05.520 --> 1:06:08.640 up for a candlelight vigil and they were they hated 1:06:08.720 --> 1:06:11.400 him because he did not speak. He stood outside the 1:06:11.440 --> 1:06:13.440 camera area and people didn't like it. 1:06:14.000 --> 1:06:16.240 Yeah, she wrote, gone girl, based on this, I think 1:06:16.280 --> 1:06:18.600 actually right one hundred yeah yeah oh yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:06:18.680 --> 1:06:20.760 yeah yeah, because I'm like, this is like fucking straight 1:06:20.800 --> 1:06:21.200 from it. 1:06:21.200 --> 1:06:24.480 Too, like no, no, gone oh yeah yeah, but Gone 1:06:24.520 --> 1:06:26.480 Girl for shirt, it's like the god like ben Affleck 1:06:26.520 --> 1:06:29.400 who has no effect or whatever. Obviously there's more twists 1:06:29.480 --> 1:06:32.840 to Gone Girl, but very Gone Girl. I thought about 1:06:32.840 --> 1:06:36.680 Gon Girl, and this vigil is going to become important soon, 1:06:36.800 --> 1:06:40.360 so keep that in your feather cap or whatever. But also, 1:06:41.520 --> 1:06:44.080 and you know we know this from SVU guilty people 1:06:44.240 --> 1:06:46.800 like to come to the vigils, so yes, you know 1:06:47.280 --> 1:06:50.120 they can't help it. Then from the vigil, a photo 1:06:50.160 --> 1:06:52.080 came out, like you mentioned earlier, like one little thing 1:06:52.120 --> 1:06:55.120 wrong of him smiling and having a good time. People 1:06:55.160 --> 1:06:58.320 didn't like that, and why aren't you crying? Why aren't 1:06:58.320 --> 1:07:01.280 you desperate? And so this photo of him smiling at 1:07:01.280 --> 1:07:05.800 his dead wife's vigil turned people against him. 1:07:07.120 --> 1:07:08.560 Yeah, like why. 1:07:08.440 --> 1:07:10.480 Are you hiding at the vigil of your dead wife? 1:07:10.520 --> 1:07:14.360 Like what are missing wife? January second, nine days missing. 1:07:14.800 --> 1:07:17.160 There's a press conference and they show people the truck 1:07:17.200 --> 1:07:18.760 and the boat to see if there are any tips 1:07:18.800 --> 1:07:22.800 of anyone who saw these things. But also these are 1:07:22.800 --> 1:07:25.760 small town detectives, so I don't think they're media trained. 1:07:25.920 --> 1:07:30.000 And suddenly, you know, the camera's people press, everyone's asking 1:07:30.040 --> 1:07:34.360 these small town cops questions, and they released their biases 1:07:34.480 --> 1:07:37.000 and they deny talking about stuff, they imply things. It's 1:07:37.000 --> 1:07:39.720 like a hot fuzz movie, like these cops are kind 1:07:39.720 --> 1:07:44.440 of fools, and they are letting people know. He goes, 1:07:44.720 --> 1:07:47.560 I can't say anything, but we haven't eliminated Scott as 1:07:47.600 --> 1:07:50.600 a suspect, and it's like, well you've said a lot, sir. 1:07:50.880 --> 1:07:53.040 Yeah. 1:07:53.080 --> 1:07:56.280 They also announced where he had gone fishing on the news, 1:07:56.800 --> 1:08:01.480 which I think is bad to announce the alibi. How 1:08:01.480 --> 1:08:04.640 are you announcing someone's alibi publicly when a body hasn't 1:08:04.640 --> 1:08:07.120 been found yet. If it is someone else, they know 1:08:07.120 --> 1:08:09.040 where to dump the body. 1:08:09.120 --> 1:08:11.360 Now, yeah, that's true. 1:08:11.560 --> 1:08:16.000 You can't announce the alibi publicly. And then he also 1:08:16.040 --> 1:08:20.519 said he's cooperated to an extent, and Nancy Grace jump 1:08:20.880 --> 1:08:22.880 jumped on it, and that blew it up even more. 1:08:23.520 --> 1:08:27.120 Nancy Grace was really bothered by him. She hated him 1:08:27.160 --> 1:08:32.040 so much and she was gonna dig. Now. Amber Fry 1:08:32.400 --> 1:08:39.200 surfaces and she is Scott's girlfriends kind of other woman. Okay, 1:08:39.880 --> 1:08:44.000 she's a massage six Chris mistress. Yes, she's a massage 1:08:44.040 --> 1:08:47.120 therapist who just finished massage school in two thousand and two, 1:08:47.640 --> 1:08:49.760 and she had an eighteen month old baby and she 1:08:49.800 --> 1:08:53.160 was living in Fresno. November two thousand and two, Amber's 1:08:53.160 --> 1:08:55.559 friend was talking about a guy who her friend said 1:08:55.600 --> 1:08:58.519 was perfect for her and she was looking for the one, 1:08:58.600 --> 1:09:00.360 and Scott told her that he was looking looking for 1:09:00.400 --> 1:09:03.840 one like his guy, and never told her that he 1:09:03.920 --> 1:09:06.639 was married. But then she invited him to a Christmas 1:09:06.680 --> 1:09:08.400 party and he was pumped to go with her. And 1:09:08.400 --> 1:09:10.920 there's all these photos of them canoodling at this Christmas party. 1:09:10.960 --> 1:09:12.599 But it's like you just met in November. 1:09:12.640 --> 1:09:18.640 That seems like it's moving very very fast, okay, but 1:09:18.720 --> 1:09:21.840 she likes the way that, you know, it was moving. 1:09:23.040 --> 1:09:26.320 But she felt uneasy about something, and something was odd. 1:09:26.320 --> 1:09:28.200 Because he had to talk to her, he said, and 1:09:28.240 --> 1:09:30.479 he admitted to lying to her that he was married 1:09:30.840 --> 1:09:33.240 but lost his wife and it would be the first 1:09:33.280 --> 1:09:36.559 holidays without her and it's going to be really hard 1:09:36.560 --> 1:09:38.120 for him. But he didn't get into details, and she 1:09:38.160 --> 1:09:39.200 didn't push any of the info. 1:09:39.320 --> 1:09:43.160 So this is this is a year after no, No, No, No, 1:09:43.479 --> 1:09:50.559 that's just Amber resurfaces into like during the investigation. Yes, okay, 1:09:50.600 --> 1:09:53.639 so she reservices later, but she's she but. 1:09:53.600 --> 1:09:57.040 It's it's complicated because basically what happens is once she 1:09:57.080 --> 1:10:00.600 puts it together, she tells the police and then for 1:10:00.720 --> 1:10:05.559 months records all of their conversations, and then the news 1:10:05.600 --> 1:10:07.680 got the photos and we're gonna leak them. So then 1:10:07.680 --> 1:10:09.840 in January, I think it's twenty fourth, I'll get to it, 1:10:09.880 --> 1:10:14.479 they held a press conference with Amber. They met November 1:10:14.520 --> 1:10:17.160 two thousand and two, and he's telling her this is 1:10:17.200 --> 1:10:20.080 gonna be my first holiday without my wife. So all 1:10:20.080 --> 1:10:24.599 of a sudden, everyone goes, that's premata, so sketchy. And 1:10:24.600 --> 1:10:26.840 then weeks later she's missing. So to them, it's like 1:10:26.880 --> 1:10:29.920 you pre meded it. Then now it's moved into premeditated 1:10:29.960 --> 1:10:32.960 first degree murder, like you're telling your mistress this will 1:10:32.960 --> 1:10:35.760 be your first holiday without your wife. But it could 1:10:35.840 --> 1:10:38.240 also just be a lie in the moment. But yeah, 1:10:38.240 --> 1:10:42.479 so it's fucked up. So fifteen days later from that 1:10:42.600 --> 1:10:46.800 conversation that they had, the new story breaks. A few 1:10:46.840 --> 1:10:49.439 days after Christmas, she gets handed a newspaper from a 1:10:49.479 --> 1:10:52.679 friend and she recognized the truck and all the stuff 1:10:52.760 --> 1:10:55.679 and was in complete shock, which leads me to believe 1:10:55.720 --> 1:10:58.080 this Amber girl is one of the dumbest people alive. 1:10:58.160 --> 1:10:59.880 She did not watch the news, like she did not 1:11:00.240 --> 1:11:02.000 know at all what had happened. Her friend had to 1:11:02.040 --> 1:11:05.479 be like, this looks fucked. So now she puts it 1:11:05.479 --> 1:11:09.440 all together, and she was in complete shock. So December thirtieth, 1:11:10.400 --> 1:11:12.719 they get a call the police from the tip line 1:11:12.840 --> 1:11:15.960 and his expression changed like al picked up the phone 1:11:16.120 --> 1:11:18.120 and John just knew that there was something to say. 1:11:18.760 --> 1:11:23.240 So the detectives go to meet Amber and that gave 1:11:23.320 --> 1:11:25.759 us a lot of information because in that first Christmas 1:11:25.800 --> 1:11:28.080 Eve interview when they asked how is your marriage, he 1:11:28.080 --> 1:11:30.880 said absolutely fine, We have a perfect marriage. And it's like, well, no, 1:11:30.960 --> 1:11:33.639 you're cheating and you have a girlfriend, so at least 1:11:33.680 --> 1:11:36.320 let us know because now it's even you're hiding stuff. Basically, 1:11:36.400 --> 1:11:38.760 they're like, you are hiding stuff, and that's all we 1:11:38.840 --> 1:11:41.799 need because if he was like, listen, I am fucking someone, 1:11:42.960 --> 1:11:44.880 he probably thought that would be against him. 1:11:44.960 --> 1:11:47.160 But in all turn, he just proved that he has 1:11:47.200 --> 1:11:48.040 something to hide. 1:11:48.640 --> 1:11:50.920 Amber agrees to help the police department and get him, 1:11:50.920 --> 1:11:52.840 so they bought a device that attached her phone and 1:11:52.880 --> 1:11:55.639 they tape recorded all the conversations between her and Scott, 1:11:56.240 --> 1:11:58.320 and then Scott calls right away, like they set it 1:11:58.400 --> 1:12:01.479 up in Scott's calling, So she answered she's nervous and 1:12:01.520 --> 1:12:02.000 on the call. 1:12:02.160 --> 1:12:03.599 Remember this is December thirtieth. 1:12:04.400 --> 1:12:06.880 He goes, hey, babe, I'm going to Paris for New 1:12:06.960 --> 1:12:11.680 Year's tomorrow, and she has sacked, excited that she was 1:12:11.680 --> 1:12:13.479 gonna see him. She has to sack like nothing's going on. 1:12:14.960 --> 1:12:20.280 So remember that vigil on New Year's. He calls Amber 1:12:20.600 --> 1:12:24.080 from the vigil and goes, hey, babe, I'm in Paris. 1:12:24.200 --> 1:12:26.599 I'm here with my friends. We're by the Eiffel Tower. 1:12:26.800 --> 1:12:29.080 We're gonna meet my friend Pascal from Spain. 1:12:28.800 --> 1:12:29.280 At the bar. 1:12:30.120 --> 1:12:34.679 They are recording a conversation from his missing wife's vigil 1:12:35.160 --> 1:12:38.519 as he's lying to his girlfriend, talking to her, going 1:12:38.760 --> 1:12:40.240 I'm in Paris, honey. 1:12:40.040 --> 1:12:41.160 There's fireworks. 1:12:43.439 --> 1:12:48.679 Wow. So twisted and he's a great liar. January fourth, 1:12:48.680 --> 1:12:51.439 two thousand and three, there's a recorded message from him 1:12:51.760 --> 1:12:54.960 saying I miss you. They talk dozens of times after 1:12:55.040 --> 1:12:57.679 Lacy went missing, and Amber was trying to bait Scott 1:12:57.720 --> 1:13:01.880 into a confession. Unfortunately, he never did or fortunately, like 1:13:02.120 --> 1:13:04.760 he's always like I loved Lacy, I love Lacy, I 1:13:04.760 --> 1:13:07.800 would never goble, like he denied everything on these conversations, 1:13:09.120 --> 1:13:13.040 but his actions were still weird, like it's just. 1:13:13.040 --> 1:13:13.760 It's fucked up. 1:13:14.280 --> 1:13:17.600 January fifth, twenty three, twelve days missing, divers searched the 1:13:17.640 --> 1:13:20.240 water at the marina. They did twenty seven searches. They 1:13:20.240 --> 1:13:24.360 could not find a body. January fourteenth, they get word 1:13:24.400 --> 1:13:26.360 that the media had gotten a hold of photos from 1:13:26.400 --> 1:13:30.000 Amber and Scott together, but they hadn't told any of 1:13:30.040 --> 1:13:32.960 the family or like Lacy's family, so they're like, fuck, 1:13:33.040 --> 1:13:36.280 we have to get you know, a move on. So 1:13:36.600 --> 1:13:40.240 they told Lacey's mom, and Lacey's mom first reaction goes, 1:13:40.280 --> 1:13:42.840 why did he have to kill her? So that kind 1:13:42.880 --> 1:13:45.639 of turned because up until this point, up until the girlfriend, 1:13:46.120 --> 1:13:49.840 Lacey's family was had Scott's back. They defended Scott in 1:13:49.880 --> 1:13:52.920 every press conference, every interview, the brother everyone was like, 1:13:53.240 --> 1:13:55.519 we love Scott. And the moment they found out about 1:13:55.560 --> 1:14:00.160 this girlfriend, everything switched. Fuck Scott will like everything switch 1:14:00.160 --> 1:14:03.000 not of course, like So January twenty fourth, two thousand 1:14:03.000 --> 1:14:05.640 and three, there's a press conference. It's one month of 1:14:06.160 --> 1:14:10.559 the disappearance, breaking news on every station. And what's kind 1:14:10.560 --> 1:14:14.360 of something to keep in mind was the invasion of 1:14:14.360 --> 1:14:17.759 Iraq and bagged Afghanistan, Like all of that was happening 1:14:17.840 --> 1:14:21.559 during this and it was equal billing, like legit this case, 1:14:21.720 --> 1:14:23.920 Like they would be talking about the war in the 1:14:23.920 --> 1:14:26.760 Middle East and cut from it for breaking news on 1:14:26.760 --> 1:14:31.160 Scott and Lacy Peterson, Like the war and this case 1:14:31.320 --> 1:14:38.599 were fully together, like as importance in our nation, breaking 1:14:38.600 --> 1:14:41.720 news on every station. This blonde girl comes out and 1:14:41.840 --> 1:14:45.000 she comes to the center and she's shaking. She's so 1:14:45.040 --> 1:14:47.360 nervous and no one knows who this is. This is 1:14:47.400 --> 1:14:50.160 like a soap opera. And it was Amber Fry and 1:14:50.240 --> 1:14:52.439 she had been given a statement to read. She said 1:14:52.479 --> 1:14:54.960 she was so nervous and so scared, and like I said, 1:14:55.040 --> 1:14:58.679 game changer. Lacey's family turned on Scott immediately. Ted Rowland, 1:14:58.800 --> 1:15:00.840 the reporter from day one, was like, Oh, this guy 1:15:00.960 --> 1:15:04.000 wasn't hiding a dead wife. He's hiding a girlfriend. He's 1:15:04.000 --> 1:15:05.720 like a fucking idiot, but he's the only one that 1:15:05.800 --> 1:15:08.679 thinks that, Like he doesn't. He is someone that doesn't 1:15:08.720 --> 1:15:11.040 think Scott did it. So he was just like, oh, 1:15:11.040 --> 1:15:12.800 he was probably just hiding his girlfriend. 1:15:12.880 --> 1:15:15.280 But I don't know. Everyone was like fuck you, Ted. 1:15:15.800 --> 1:15:18.320 So January twenty fifth, Scott calls Amber and is like, 1:15:18.479 --> 1:15:20.479 so what you called them up and asked them to 1:15:20.479 --> 1:15:21.440 do a press conference? 1:15:21.479 --> 1:15:22.040 What the fuck? 1:15:22.439 --> 1:15:25.519 And she's like, no, CBS was hounding me and my 1:15:25.600 --> 1:15:29.000 businesses and showing up and that I had to get 1:15:29.040 --> 1:15:31.439 them to get away from me. He then said he 1:15:31.520 --> 1:15:34.599 was proud of her and impressed by her character and 1:15:34.640 --> 1:15:37.720 she was brave. He said he threw up when he 1:15:37.800 --> 1:15:40.160 listened to the press conference though, So I don't really 1:15:40.160 --> 1:15:40.720 get any of this. 1:15:40.840 --> 1:15:41.639 He's so dumb. 1:15:41.800 --> 1:15:43.880 I mean, that's the thing, Like, he is really dumb, 1:15:44.439 --> 1:15:46.720 and that's what's hard for me to understand how he 1:15:46.760 --> 1:15:49.560 was able to get away with this crime with absolutely 1:15:49.600 --> 1:15:54.160 no physical evidence if he's this dumb, right, So then 1:15:54.200 --> 1:15:55.760 Scott goes, you know what, I'm gonna go talk to 1:15:55.800 --> 1:15:57.760 the press too, and his lawyer's like, please don't talk 1:15:57.800 --> 1:15:59.400 to the press, Please don't talk to the press. 1:15:59.439 --> 1:16:00.599 He goes, I'm talking to the press. 1:16:00.880 --> 1:16:02.880 So he called Gloria Gomez and she was one of 1:16:02.920 --> 1:16:05.960 the local reporters who became very famous during this case 1:16:06.000 --> 1:16:08.479 and was very involved there every day, and she talks 1:16:08.520 --> 1:16:12.880 a lot about like all these national medias were coming, 1:16:13.280 --> 1:16:16.479 but what they didn't have was connections and relationships with 1:16:16.520 --> 1:16:19.280 the police departments. She's been on the beat, so she 1:16:19.439 --> 1:16:21.879 was getting tips from the police, like she knew everything. 1:16:22.000 --> 1:16:24.760 She was involved with everyone, and so Gloria is like 1:16:24.800 --> 1:16:26.599 a big kind of person in this case. 1:16:26.640 --> 1:16:28.280 So he did an interview with her. 1:16:29.080 --> 1:16:31.920 He sat down with Diane Sawyer and did two other 1:16:31.960 --> 1:16:36.240 local interviews and with Ted Roland and she's going inside 1:16:36.240 --> 1:16:37.000 the house whatever. 1:16:37.280 --> 1:16:38.200 His eyes were shifty. 1:16:38.240 --> 1:16:40.479 There's nothing he could have done that would have been okay, 1:16:40.640 --> 1:16:41.920 Like everyone hated him. 1:16:41.960 --> 1:16:44.200 These interviews backfired, yeah, and. 1:16:44.240 --> 1:16:46.320 They were saying, Diane Sawyer is like one of the 1:16:46.360 --> 1:16:51.519 best like journalist interviewers for decades, like a top person 1:16:51.600 --> 1:16:53.680 in her career, and it's like, you think you can 1:16:53.720 --> 1:16:58.080 go toe to toe with Diane Sawyer, like bro oh. 1:16:58.160 --> 1:17:00.400 And then he told Diane Sawyer that he had told 1:17:00.479 --> 1:17:02.680 Lacey about his affair and she was okay with it. 1:17:04.000 --> 1:17:06.920 And everyone's like, your eight month pregnant wife was okay 1:17:06.920 --> 1:17:10.280 with your affair. We don't believe you, But there's nothing 1:17:10.320 --> 1:17:12.439 you could have said or done that would have changed everything. 1:17:13.040 --> 1:17:16.719 Now we're hopping up to April April fourteenth, two thousand 1:17:16.720 --> 1:17:20.479 and three, San Francisco Bay. Gloria Gomez gets a tip 1:17:20.520 --> 1:17:23.040 and they're like, you need to get to the bay. Now. 1:17:23.400 --> 1:17:26.360 They find a torso and the body of an infant 1:17:26.439 --> 1:17:29.400 was found as well. But like I said earlier, if 1:17:29.400 --> 1:17:31.760 someone else did kill her, they let everyone know with 1:17:31.800 --> 1:17:35.519 the alibi, so I don't know. And also, what's strange 1:17:35.520 --> 1:17:38.800 about this again, if this guy is dumb enough to 1:17:39.240 --> 1:17:41.960 let everyone know his alibi and then dump the body 1:17:42.000 --> 1:17:45.519 in his alibi, he's dumb enough to leave DNA evidence 1:17:45.680 --> 1:17:49.280 and there's not there's not even a fucking hair, you know. 1:17:49.320 --> 1:17:49.760 What I mean. 1:17:50.000 --> 1:17:53.559 Like, but anyways, but now they can't find Scott. So 1:17:53.600 --> 1:17:55.920 the body is found, and now Scott's missing, so it's like, 1:17:56.000 --> 1:18:00.320 clearly you're fucking guilty. So he's in San Diego Low 1:18:00.320 --> 1:18:02.800 apparently his family is there, and he was just like 1:18:02.880 --> 1:18:07.040 trying to like get away from the attention, and then 1:18:07.080 --> 1:18:09.120 he was being followed by a car that he thought 1:18:09.120 --> 1:18:11.200 he was media, so he was like trying to escape 1:18:11.200 --> 1:18:13.400 this media car, but it was actually law enforcement and 1:18:13.439 --> 1:18:15.040 they were like, yeah, it was weird. He was flicking 1:18:15.160 --> 1:18:18.280 us off and driving crazy, and so it's the cop, 1:18:18.320 --> 1:18:20.439 so they pulled him over. He was arrested at a 1:18:20.479 --> 1:18:23.639 golf course that was thirty miles away from the Mexican border. 1:18:24.400 --> 1:18:24.840 Not good. 1:18:25.439 --> 1:18:28.920 His hair was dyed blonde with a beard, not good. 1:18:29.040 --> 1:18:32.479 He had around ten to fifteen grand with him, camping gear, 1:18:32.600 --> 1:18:35.240 his brother's ID, and four cell phones. 1:18:36.680 --> 1:18:38.519 So I can't wait to get to how you think 1:18:38.560 --> 1:18:41.040 this guy didn't do it. I didn't say he didn't 1:18:41.040 --> 1:18:41.280 do it. 1:18:41.400 --> 1:18:43.120 Oh no, No, you didn't say that he didn't. 1:18:43.240 --> 1:18:43.960 I didn't say that. 1:18:44.160 --> 1:18:48.840 I believe if you cannot prove when, how, and where, 1:18:49.439 --> 1:18:52.559 you cannot charge someone guilty. Okay, I think Casey Anthony 1:18:52.640 --> 1:18:53.280 killed her baby. 1:18:53.320 --> 1:18:55.839 I have for Shuren. Casey Anthony murdered her baby. 1:18:56.000 --> 1:18:59.280 She was found innocent because you can't how do you 1:18:59.320 --> 1:18:59.960 sentence someone? 1:19:00.000 --> 1:19:01.719 And if you can't prove it, well, I think. 1:19:01.560 --> 1:19:04.280 You also incentivize people to get rid of bodies and 1:19:04.320 --> 1:19:08.080 evidence so that they cannot get there's enough circumstantial. But 1:19:08.120 --> 1:19:11.639 he's an idiot, like, yeah, but he told his fucking 1:19:11.760 --> 1:19:14.360 mistress that I'll be alone on Christmas without my wife. 1:19:14.479 --> 1:19:16.720 I mean, this shit's nuts again. If that wasn't a 1:19:16.800 --> 1:19:18.640 dumb ass, if that was a dumb ass line to 1:19:18.720 --> 1:19:19.280 his mistress. 1:19:19.320 --> 1:19:23.000 It's really fucking coincidental. But someone went and killed his mistress. 1:19:23.000 --> 1:19:26.320 But they also did twenty seven searches for that body 1:19:26.360 --> 1:19:28.360 in that body of water and did not d that's 1:19:28.360 --> 1:19:28.759 the same. 1:19:29.160 --> 1:19:33.400 So that's where his boat is. San Francisco Bay. Yeah wow, Yeah, 1:19:33.479 --> 1:19:35.760 so maybe it was dumped later. You say it doesn't matter. 1:19:35.800 --> 1:19:37.040 He could be a guilty as fuck. 1:19:37.080 --> 1:19:40.400 I'm just saying, like, the reason we have courtrooms is like, yeah, no, 1:19:40.439 --> 1:19:43.639 you're right, because one of those system will get to everything. 1:19:43.800 --> 1:19:46.840 Obviously, this is a giant case. I'm trying to make it. 1:19:46.880 --> 1:19:49.599 But like one of the jurors after the trial went 1:19:49.640 --> 1:19:52.519 on Larry King, and Larry King was like, so what happened? 1:19:53.000 --> 1:19:55.920 And the jur goes, can you clarify that question? And 1:19:56.000 --> 1:19:58.759 Larry goes, no, you're on the jury. You just sentenced 1:19:58.760 --> 1:20:02.519 a man to death. Tell me what happened. And the 1:20:02.640 --> 1:20:05.200 juror couldn't. And I'm sorry, Like that's just not you 1:20:05.280 --> 1:20:07.720 know what I mean, Like, yeah, I don't think he 1:20:07.840 --> 1:20:10.640 did not do it. I'm just saying the investigation was 1:20:10.680 --> 1:20:15.160 fucked and he didn't have a fair trial. Okay, Yeah, 1:20:15.200 --> 1:20:17.479 I'm not on his side, But I'm on the side 1:20:17.479 --> 1:20:20.680 of like the court system. I mean, the trial was 1:20:20.720 --> 1:20:23.360 fucked and like there's recently they took away his death 1:20:23.400 --> 1:20:26.320 sentence because the trial was so bad and the jury selection, 1:20:27.479 --> 1:20:29.439 but he was still found guilty of the crime. So 1:20:29.600 --> 1:20:32.240 like there is evidence that links him to it. It's 1:20:32.360 --> 1:20:36.120 just like sorry, Taylor Swift, nobody, no crime, Okay, anyways, 1:20:37.479 --> 1:20:40.040 legit no evidence found in the warehouse or at his 1:20:40.120 --> 1:20:40.840 house at all. 1:20:41.920 --> 1:20:43.320 There were media leaks. 1:20:43.000 --> 1:20:45.840 From cop friends to the reporters and leaking stories. So 1:20:45.880 --> 1:20:48.720 what the cops wanted to get out is what got out. 1:20:49.479 --> 1:20:53.800 His boat was tiny, like to conceal one hundred and 1:20:53.800 --> 1:20:57.760 fifty pound body in his tiny boat is wild and 1:20:57.800 --> 1:21:00.360 it would capsize like they tried to. Like also in 1:21:00.360 --> 1:21:03.559 the midd like Dexter goes out at night for a reason. Okay, 1:21:03.640 --> 1:21:06.880 Like you're telling me this motherfucker on his tiny boat 1:21:06.920 --> 1:21:09.559 had a full on body and dumped it in the 1:21:09.600 --> 1:21:13.040 middle of the day in the bay. Like it just 1:21:14.120 --> 1:21:16.400 it just kind of doesn't make sense. But he's dumb, 1:21:16.439 --> 1:21:19.639 so he could have. So Mark Garagos becomes Scot's attorney, 1:21:20.040 --> 1:21:23.800 and he is the hot shot attorney of all attorneys 1:21:23.880 --> 1:21:27.719 every celebrity. He loved attention, he loved fame. He costs 1:21:27.760 --> 1:21:31.240 a million dollars and the family was able to like 1:21:31.320 --> 1:21:33.439 sell shit and pay for him. So he's a million dollars. 1:21:33.720 --> 1:21:35.760 But the thing is he's kind of a beloved guy 1:21:36.240 --> 1:21:38.360 because he did all these famous cases. He was always 1:21:38.400 --> 1:21:40.400 a talking head. He was on the news all the time, 1:21:40.760 --> 1:21:44.040 and his people told him like, bro, once you do this, 1:21:44.080 --> 1:21:46.559 you will not be liked ever again. But I bet 1:21:46.600 --> 1:21:50.040 he was like, I'm gonna be rich forever, Like I'm. 1:21:49.880 --> 1:21:50.439 Gonna you know. 1:21:51.080 --> 1:21:54.000 So he got the best attorney in the game. Matthew 1:21:54.080 --> 1:21:58.599 Dalton was the investigating defense attorney, and with the discovery law, 1:21:58.640 --> 1:22:01.320 the police had to turn over everything they had regarding 1:22:01.320 --> 1:22:05.200 the case, thirty thousand pages of documents, and he went 1:22:05.240 --> 1:22:08.679 through every single one. He spent over one hundred hours 1:22:08.720 --> 1:22:12.360 with the jail in jail with him, he got to 1:22:12.400 --> 1:22:15.320 know Scott very very well. But they made Scott and 1:22:15.439 --> 1:22:20.720 this attorney meet in interrogation rooms, and so they were 1:22:20.760 --> 1:22:23.880 scared that the detectives were listening in, and so they 1:22:23.920 --> 1:22:26.439 had to write down everything and they only communicated by 1:22:26.439 --> 1:22:29.120 writing things back and forth because they did not trust 1:22:29.160 --> 1:22:30.920 that they were not being spied on on the two 1:22:30.920 --> 1:22:34.920 way mirror. Oh, and then to test the theory, this 1:22:35.000 --> 1:22:38.680 guy started talking shit about one of the cops and 1:22:38.840 --> 1:22:44.160 when he left, his tires had been slashed. Now, I'm sorry, 1:22:44.160 --> 1:22:47.120 but how do you make this trial non bias? He's 1:22:47.120 --> 1:22:49.439 the most hated man in America. He's on the cover 1:22:49.479 --> 1:22:54.920 of every tabloid magazine everywhere. But they only moved the 1:22:54.960 --> 1:22:58.320 trial fifteen minutes away, and it was closer to San 1:22:58.360 --> 1:23:01.040 Francisco where the body was found, so everyone knew, like, 1:23:01.080 --> 1:23:02.800 how are you gonna find someone that doesn't know about 1:23:02.800 --> 1:23:05.839 this case? So the trial took place in San Mateo County. 1:23:06.200 --> 1:23:10.479 Why wouldn't they have, like what the move it to Tennessee? 1:23:10.600 --> 1:23:14.479 Like what is happening? Like, you know, fifty percent of 1:23:14.520 --> 1:23:16.559 the people that came in to be jurors admitted that 1:23:16.600 --> 1:23:20.599 they thought he was guilty. They barely could find people 1:23:20.640 --> 1:23:22.040 that would be open to giving him. 1:23:21.880 --> 1:23:22.559 A fair trial. 1:23:23.479 --> 1:23:26.320 The jury was finally chosen after talking to hundreds and 1:23:26.400 --> 1:23:29.680 hundreds of people, but they weren't able to sequester the 1:23:29.760 --> 1:23:32.080 jury because it would have been too expensive because the 1:23:32.120 --> 1:23:36.080 case was going to be so long, and they actually like, 1:23:36.320 --> 1:23:39.599 this trial was such a zoo. They had a lottery 1:23:39.640 --> 1:23:42.760 for people to get in to watch the trial, Like 1:23:43.280 --> 1:23:46.719 people were lining up around like to get a fucking 1:23:46.800 --> 1:23:49.559 seat in that trial. So anyways, the trial went on 1:23:49.600 --> 1:23:52.080 for eight months, and so they asked everyone to please 1:23:52.120 --> 1:23:53.080 not talk about the case. 1:23:53.120 --> 1:23:54.559 But it's like, lol, okay. 1:23:55.200 --> 1:23:57.320 They were also not allowed to read newspapers or watch 1:23:57.360 --> 1:24:01.000 the news. But again, even if you tried, how are 1:24:01.040 --> 1:24:04.599 you avoiding the number one big thing in the case, 1:24:05.320 --> 1:24:07.840 I mean in the country. And then something that happened 1:24:07.840 --> 1:24:10.000 that I've never thought about in this A and E 1:24:10.160 --> 1:24:14.240 documentary was about how everyone walks in through one door. 1:24:14.640 --> 1:24:19.680 Every single person goes through security. So jurors, family members, everyone, 1:24:20.200 --> 1:24:22.400 and they were given permission the jury to say good 1:24:22.400 --> 1:24:23.160 morning and hello. 1:24:23.680 --> 1:24:24.400 But that was it. 1:24:24.680 --> 1:24:26.479 But I just never thought about that, like duh, they're 1:24:26.479 --> 1:24:30.080 all intermingling. But then one juror got dismissed because he 1:24:30.120 --> 1:24:32.080 said something to the brother of Lacy on the fourth 1:24:32.080 --> 1:24:34.679 week of the trial. All he said, but the camera 1:24:34.800 --> 1:24:37.800 a camera was nearby, was oh, I'm ruining the shot. 1:24:37.920 --> 1:24:40.559 I guess you won't be on the news today, And 1:24:40.600 --> 1:24:41.799 that's what got him dismissed. 1:24:42.560 --> 1:24:43.559 Huh, I don't know. 1:24:44.400 --> 1:24:47.240 He also was talking about the witnesses to other jurors 1:24:47.720 --> 1:24:49.840 and they're not allowed to discuss the trial at all, 1:24:50.200 --> 1:24:52.720 and he kept trying to talk about the case, and 1:24:52.760 --> 1:24:56.439 so another juror told on him and got him housted. Okay, 1:24:56.479 --> 1:24:58.639 so this is where shit becomes fucked. So the judge 1:24:58.680 --> 1:25:01.799 also during the selection ask people if you are against 1:25:01.800 --> 1:25:04.880 the death penalty and if they and if they were, 1:25:05.040 --> 1:25:08.720 they were not allowed to sit on the jury. So 1:25:08.840 --> 1:25:12.400 anyone that was on that jury was okay sentencing him 1:25:12.439 --> 1:25:17.040 to death, which is fucked up because the judge didn't 1:25:17.080 --> 1:25:19.240 ask like, are you even if you are against the 1:25:19.240 --> 1:25:22.960 death penalty, are you capable of like sentencing him to 1:25:23.000 --> 1:25:25.280 death if needed or like with the law, And the 1:25:25.360 --> 1:25:28.439 judge never asked that. He legit dismissed anyone that is 1:25:28.479 --> 1:25:30.920 not for the death penalty, which you can't fucking do. 1:25:31.320 --> 1:25:33.880 So basically he just turned the trial into, you know, 1:25:34.080 --> 1:25:34.960 just a death trial. 1:25:35.479 --> 1:25:36.439 The judge even made an. 1:25:36.400 --> 1:25:40.480 Announcement like, if there's circumstantial evidence that gives two possible outcomes, 1:25:40.720 --> 1:25:42.440 you must accept the one of innocence. 1:25:42.520 --> 1:25:44.280 You have to be proven guilty. 1:25:44.360 --> 1:25:46.559 He did say that, but he denied any mistrial even 1:25:46.560 --> 1:25:49.599 though the jurors were like blabbing and causing all this problem. 1:25:49.840 --> 1:25:52.080 And then one of the jurors started doing news and 1:25:52.160 --> 1:25:55.439 interviews and just blabbing to anyone that would let like 1:25:55.560 --> 1:25:59.680 listen to him. So Justin Faulkner, this juror who kept 1:25:59.680 --> 1:26:03.639 blab to all the media outlets, that's how everyone found 1:26:03.640 --> 1:26:06.120 out that the prosecution was like fucking up. 1:26:06.479 --> 1:26:08.760 The prosecution was doing a really bad job. 1:26:08.840 --> 1:26:11.360 And I talked to I mean, Casey Anthony was our pilot, 1:26:11.479 --> 1:26:13.400 so like it's not released and we're waiting till we 1:26:13.400 --> 1:26:14.439 get Hillary Duff one day. 1:26:14.520 --> 1:26:19.080 But a big thing with that is. 1:26:19.080 --> 1:26:21.040 And I talked about this with sports, where it's like 1:26:22.320 --> 1:26:25.120 if you think you have it in the bag, you're 1:26:25.160 --> 1:26:27.519 not gonna try as hard because you're cocky. So you're 1:26:27.520 --> 1:26:31.720 coming in so cocky that the defense is working so 1:26:32.000 --> 1:26:34.719 hard you can't pull that shit. And that's what happened 1:26:34.720 --> 1:26:36.920 with Casey Anthony, and it happened here too. The prosecution 1:26:37.080 --> 1:26:39.840 was like, oh, we got him, and they really really 1:26:39.880 --> 1:26:43.840 fucked up the case. They were getting like squashed in court. 1:26:44.240 --> 1:26:46.400 They were getting squashed. There's a time where it flips, 1:26:46.400 --> 1:26:49.840 and we'll get to it obviously, but like they just 1:26:49.880 --> 1:26:52.640 were really, really doing a bad job. And that's what 1:26:52.720 --> 1:26:54.320 I talk about with sports, like if you're playing the 1:26:54.320 --> 1:26:56.439 best team, they don't respect you, they might not try 1:26:56.479 --> 1:26:59.439 as hard. So if you come in playing basketball as 1:26:59.439 --> 1:27:04.400 hard as you can, you can win. So the crux 1:27:04.439 --> 1:27:07.599 of the prosecution's opening statement for motive is that Scott 1:27:07.600 --> 1:27:09.679 didn't want to be a dad and wanted to be out, 1:27:09.720 --> 1:27:12.720 like out fucking and free, and instead of divorce, he 1:27:12.840 --> 1:27:16.519 chose murder. The defensive opening statements on the second day 1:27:16.520 --> 1:27:21.040 of the trial was an aggressive, like Mars aggressive, and 1:27:21.120 --> 1:27:23.240 basically his whole thing is you might not like him, 1:27:23.240 --> 1:27:25.040 but he's not guilty, Like he might be a piece 1:27:25.080 --> 1:27:27.360 of shit and a cheater and a liar, but he's 1:27:27.400 --> 1:27:30.120 not guilty even if you don't like him. And he 1:27:30.160 --> 1:27:33.040 had a got you moment right away in the opening statements. 1:27:33.080 --> 1:27:37.080 The prosecution said that he lied about like the more 1:27:37.200 --> 1:27:39.839 watching Martha Stewart that morning because there was no meraingue 1:27:39.880 --> 1:27:42.840 mentioned in that episode, and then Mark's defense played the 1:27:42.880 --> 1:27:45.280 clip and the meringue was on in that episode. 1:27:45.479 --> 1:27:48.120 I cannot believe Martha's morangue was such a huge part 1:27:48.160 --> 1:27:49.320 of the opening. 1:27:49.120 --> 1:27:51.760 Yes, and to me, it's like, wait, you put that 1:27:51.920 --> 1:27:56.200 big of a mistake in your opening statements, prosecution, you 1:27:56.680 --> 1:27:59.439 didn't even watch the episode. 1:27:59.680 --> 1:28:02.479 That huge Yeah, that's bad. 1:28:03.520 --> 1:28:06.920 And the prosecution had all of these witnesses and expert people, 1:28:06.920 --> 1:28:09.360 and the defense just mopped the floor with all of 1:28:09.400 --> 1:28:12.400 them and pokesholes through every single one of the witnesses, 1:28:12.479 --> 1:28:16.120 like to the point like embarrassed the shit out of 1:28:16.200 --> 1:28:19.479 everything the prosecution did. And so they had this computer 1:28:19.560 --> 1:28:22.479 expert on and they didn't ask this, And then the 1:28:22.560 --> 1:28:26.200 defense asked questions and basically they got evidence that in 1:28:26.240 --> 1:28:28.920 the computer in the day in the house, someone was 1:28:28.920 --> 1:28:32.280 looking at umbrellas with a sunflower pattern and she loved 1:28:32.280 --> 1:28:35.720 sunflowers and had all of these sunflower outfits. So who 1:28:35.840 --> 1:28:39.400 was in who was on the computer? So the prosecution 1:28:39.520 --> 1:28:43.280 didn't even ask these questions of their own witness and 1:28:43.360 --> 1:28:46.040 the defense came up and was like, wait, with someone 1:28:46.080 --> 1:28:48.400 on the computer in the house, yes, who was it? 1:28:48.560 --> 1:28:51.559 No one knows, Like if he set up the computer 1:28:51.720 --> 1:28:55.320 sunflower thing and like went on the computer, then he 1:28:55.320 --> 1:28:57.360 would have tried to like push it into evidence or 1:28:57.400 --> 1:29:00.519 be like no, look, someone was on the co Like 1:29:00.520 --> 1:29:02.479 it was a surprise to him too. So I don't know, 1:29:03.760 --> 1:29:06.160 but there was just no solid evidence and there was 1:29:06.200 --> 1:29:08.559 a lot of back and forth situations and a lot 1:29:08.600 --> 1:29:09.519 of flops with. 1:29:11.880 --> 1:29:12.720 The prosecution. 1:29:13.080 --> 1:29:15.120 They were prosecutions a Floppiana. 1:29:15.240 --> 1:29:16.320 I don't know what to tell you. 1:29:18.040 --> 1:29:20.320 And it is tough, Like I know, the doc I 1:29:20.360 --> 1:29:24.760 watched is bias, like it's his family trying to free him, 1:29:24.840 --> 1:29:29.240 you know. But I but like the people that they 1:29:29.280 --> 1:29:31.479 interviewed throughout the dock, Like they asked one of the 1:29:31.520 --> 1:29:33.559 reporters Gloria, They're like, do you think he did it? 1:29:33.600 --> 1:29:34.880 And she goes, is that a real question? 1:29:35.040 --> 1:29:37.679 And then starts laughing, and she goes that jury should 1:29:37.720 --> 1:29:40.120 be sleeping well at night. So they did put in 1:29:40.280 --> 1:29:43.720 stuff where I don't know, it's just tough. I'm just 1:29:43.760 --> 1:29:47.439 like embarrassed, and I would love people to take me 1:29:47.479 --> 1:29:49.519 off this path, you know what I mean, Like I 1:29:49.520 --> 1:29:51.120 would like to not be on Scott. 1:29:50.840 --> 1:29:52.960 Petersons side here. Yeah. 1:29:53.000 --> 1:29:56.519 And then our beloved detective on this on the stand, 1:29:56.640 --> 1:29:59.400 Al BROKINI he was caught in a lie. He said 1:29:59.400 --> 1:30:01.920 that Lacy had never been to the warehouse and didn't 1:30:01.920 --> 1:30:03.840 know he had a boat. But then there was a 1:30:03.840 --> 1:30:06.240 witness who said that she had seen Lacy there the 1:30:06.320 --> 1:30:07.599 night before, and like. 1:30:07.640 --> 1:30:10.559 Interesting, she was at the warehouse the night before she 1:30:10.640 --> 1:30:13.160 died or the night before she was disappeared. 1:30:13.680 --> 1:30:14.800 Yeah, but that seems weird too. 1:30:14.800 --> 1:30:16.680 And then it was written and then al redacted it 1:30:16.720 --> 1:30:19.680 from the report, so that means he's concealing evidence by 1:30:19.760 --> 1:30:20.840 dropping a paragraph. 1:30:20.920 --> 1:30:24.000 And so Mark ripped into al and. 1:30:23.880 --> 1:30:26.960 People said that it was wild, like everyone that was 1:30:27.000 --> 1:30:29.599 there because you know what would happen is so everyone 1:30:29.640 --> 1:30:32.160 would do the lottery. All the press, everyone was fighting 1:30:32.240 --> 1:30:35.400 to watch this trial, and then during little breaks, the 1:30:35.439 --> 1:30:39.080 press would run out and do quick interviews and like 1:30:39.520 --> 1:30:43.920 all these legal like panel people were living it up, 1:30:44.040 --> 1:30:46.360 and so it was like people just like would run 1:30:46.400 --> 1:30:48.599 out and be like al Brokeini got. 1:30:48.400 --> 1:30:49.800 Smashed in core, you know. 1:30:50.000 --> 1:30:53.400 So yeah, it was just like a sporting event. So 1:30:53.560 --> 1:30:55.400 I don't know, I guess he lied. He got caught 1:30:55.439 --> 1:31:01.280 in Alive. Back to the case after al Brokeini was humiliated. No, 1:31:01.479 --> 1:31:03.280 I don't know, but it was it would be weird 1:31:03.280 --> 1:31:07.640 that she was there the night before, yes, doing word. 1:31:08.479 --> 1:31:11.120 At his warehouse. What's his warehouse for anyway? 1:31:11.760 --> 1:31:14.880 Well, he was a fertilizer salesman, So I think it's 1:31:14.960 --> 1:31:17.720 like his computer, he held his boat. It was like 1:31:17.760 --> 1:31:21.559 a work kind of thing. There was some concrete there, 1:31:21.720 --> 1:31:25.920 like basically they said that she put there. Yeah, there 1:31:25.960 --> 1:31:29.320 was loose concrete also, but it was circumstantial, like you, 1:31:29.560 --> 1:31:33.000 I don't know whatever. Yeah, I just like saying circumstantial. 1:31:33.160 --> 1:31:37.160 So I feel like I'm on the show. And then 1:31:37.160 --> 1:31:40.439 everyone said that Scott showed absolutely no emotion during the trial, 1:31:40.479 --> 1:31:43.040 even when the autopsy photos were shown of his dead 1:31:43.080 --> 1:31:48.200 wife and baby, like, no looking at him, no reaction, nothing, wow. 1:31:48.520 --> 1:31:50.000 And that's according to the jurors. 1:31:50.080 --> 1:31:53.880 And then one of the day one reporters, Ted, he 1:31:54.000 --> 1:31:56.840 said that he did have a reaction, it was just 1:31:56.880 --> 1:31:59.640 not reported. And it's like, Ted, I don't shut up. 1:32:00.120 --> 1:32:02.840 Dead's on Scott's side. His head is on Scott's side. 1:32:02.960 --> 1:32:06.479 I gotta find Ted. But then the big twist of 1:32:06.520 --> 1:32:11.120 the trial and the switch from the prosecution from like 1:32:11.200 --> 1:32:14.360 the defense winning to the prosecution came when Amber Fry's 1:32:14.400 --> 1:32:15.840 recordings came out in the trial. 1:32:16.920 --> 1:32:18.160 And once you hear them. 1:32:18.040 --> 1:32:21.280 It changed the dynamic because even the defense knew that 1:32:21.320 --> 1:32:23.960 they were screwed. His complete not caring about his wife 1:32:24.000 --> 1:32:26.880 and just flirting with Amber was chilling to listen to 1:32:27.000 --> 1:32:31.960 to like straight up you're at the like no emotion 1:32:32.280 --> 1:32:35.439 at all. So now one of the defense attorneys is like, 1:32:35.479 --> 1:32:37.479 you know, it was played out like this huge affair, 1:32:37.800 --> 1:32:40.640 but they actually only saw each other four times, so 1:32:42.040 --> 1:32:44.240 I don't know, it was just a few weeks. It 1:32:44.280 --> 1:32:46.800 was just a few week affair. But I don't know. 1:32:46.920 --> 1:32:49.160 He was obviously really into her or into the idea 1:32:49.160 --> 1:32:50.120 of leaving his family. 1:32:51.600 --> 1:32:54.640 Yeah, yeah, I just don't think. I don't know. 1:32:55.200 --> 1:32:58.280 I don't but I wonder if he ever felt anything ever, 1:32:58.560 --> 1:33:01.479 or if he is associated Like I wonder if he 1:33:01.520 --> 1:33:05.920 ever showed emotion or did anything of that sort. And 1:33:06.000 --> 1:33:09.320 Amber is a character witness, one legal analyst said, and 1:33:09.360 --> 1:33:12.080 had any nothing to actually do with the case, but 1:33:12.160 --> 1:33:15.519 it put his character into play. So oh, and then 1:33:15.560 --> 1:33:18.280 this is really fun with Amber. So Amber, you know, 1:33:18.320 --> 1:33:22.799 all this is happening, and she is in the limelay 1:33:22.920 --> 1:33:24.640 and her dad calls her and was like, hey, I 1:33:24.720 --> 1:33:26.519 just saw this lawyer on TV and I think you 1:33:26.520 --> 1:33:30.160 should contact her. And it was Gloria already, of course, 1:33:30.200 --> 1:33:35.519 so Gloria came to help Amber, and just it was 1:33:35.560 --> 1:33:40.920 pretty amazing because what Gloria was saying, like if she 1:33:41.080 --> 1:33:43.479 wanted to, and she was a shady character. She could 1:33:43.520 --> 1:33:45.879 have sold those photos to the press and made millions 1:33:45.920 --> 1:33:49.920 of dollars. This was the top case in the fucking nation. Like, 1:33:50.280 --> 1:33:53.320 if she was a nefarious and had like shady shit 1:33:53.439 --> 1:33:56.040 to do, she wouldn't have had to work undercover for 1:33:56.120 --> 1:33:57.080 the police. 1:33:57.160 --> 1:33:58.479 She could have just sold that shit. 1:33:58.680 --> 1:34:02.719 So you know, that was like bit Gloria's big push, 1:34:02.800 --> 1:34:04.439 like that she did the right thing, and then she 1:34:04.520 --> 1:34:07.320 was treated so poorly by the media, and the media 1:34:07.520 --> 1:34:10.559 was like, she's uglier than Lacey, She's dumber than Lacey. 1:34:10.720 --> 1:34:15.160 Fuck this slut it's and it was like, I don't know. 1:34:15.120 --> 1:34:17.720 It's actually doing the right thing. She's like trying to 1:34:17.760 --> 1:34:18.800 find out who did this. 1:34:19.880 --> 1:34:23.840 Yeah, and then racy photos came out of her and 1:34:23.920 --> 1:34:26.760 like sexy laundry and stuff, and people. 1:34:26.479 --> 1:34:27.000 Didn't like that. 1:34:27.240 --> 1:34:30.680 So August tenth, two thousand and four, it was Amber's 1:34:30.720 --> 1:34:34.320 turn to take the stand, and it was two years 1:34:34.320 --> 1:34:36.760 had passed from the first time that she'd even seen 1:34:36.840 --> 1:34:38.920 Scott face to face, and. 1:34:38.880 --> 1:34:40.000 She knocked it out of the park. 1:34:40.439 --> 1:34:43.719 She was working for the cops and did keep prodding 1:34:43.760 --> 1:34:46.120 and questioning him and bringing up Lacey and did you 1:34:46.200 --> 1:34:48.800 love her and did you do it? He never incriminated 1:34:48.800 --> 1:34:51.000 it himself, and he always just brought up finding her, 1:34:51.040 --> 1:34:53.080 like we need to find her. That was his big 1:34:53.120 --> 1:34:55.640 thing where it was like, why are you focused on me? 1:34:55.840 --> 1:34:58.479 Go find her? You're wasting time and I'm scared that 1:34:58.560 --> 1:35:01.000 this is going to stop the investigation to find her. 1:35:01.360 --> 1:35:03.200 But also then why didn't you let them. 1:35:03.080 --> 1:35:05.160 Just search your house and take the polygraph and like 1:35:05.200 --> 1:35:07.320 do all of these things that would help the investigation. 1:35:09.080 --> 1:35:11.960 He did come across as a creep and that it's 1:35:12.040 --> 1:35:14.160 easy to lie from him, and there was an anger 1:35:14.200 --> 1:35:17.440 at Scott from the jury and prosecution got some momentum 1:35:17.479 --> 1:35:19.280 and that was, like I said, the switch of the 1:35:19.320 --> 1:35:23.920 trial and then more evidence that I mentioned this earlier, 1:35:24.040 --> 1:35:26.760 like the defense did experiments with the boat and like 1:35:26.840 --> 1:35:29.000 putting in one hundred and fifty pounds and trying to 1:35:29.040 --> 1:35:32.000 like take it off the boat, and the boat would 1:35:32.040 --> 1:35:34.320 flip over, like the boat would capsize. There's no way 1:35:34.360 --> 1:35:35.719 off of such a tiny boat. 1:35:36.000 --> 1:35:38.320 It sounds like he had like literally like a little 1:35:38.320 --> 1:35:39.840 motor boat, like not like a. 1:35:40.240 --> 1:35:43.360 Like yeah, like a pontoon boat like this was not 1:35:43.800 --> 1:35:46.639 like a nice ass below deck style. 1:35:47.400 --> 1:35:48.720 No, I mean I didn't think it was a yacht. 1:35:48.720 --> 1:35:50.400 But it doesn't even sound like it's like a real 1:35:51.160 --> 1:35:53.240 like but it sounds like it's a motor boat where 1:35:53.240 --> 1:35:55.479 you go sit and like drink a beer and stick 1:35:55.520 --> 1:35:58.280 your little rod in the water and see what happens. 1:35:58.600 --> 1:36:03.360 Yeah, And it was like metal, yeah yeah, the metal, yeah. 1:36:03.120 --> 1:36:04.840 Like the kind of that's the kind of boat that 1:36:04.880 --> 1:36:07.080 I think takes people from the dock to their big boat. 1:36:07.200 --> 1:36:10.920 It's like the dinghy basically, yes, but that was his 1:36:10.960 --> 1:36:15.559 big thing. Oh and then this was this was wild. 1:36:15.760 --> 1:36:20.519 So the prosecution said that this dog tracked Lacey's sent 1:36:21.400 --> 1:36:24.080 all the way to the marina. And but then we 1:36:24.120 --> 1:36:27.160 find out this dog failed two tests to become certified. 1:36:27.479 --> 1:36:27.920 This was. 1:36:29.400 --> 1:36:31.599 It's a community college police dog. 1:36:31.680 --> 1:36:32.400 Oh no. 1:36:34.000 --> 1:36:36.040 So and then also they're just like if she was 1:36:36.120 --> 1:36:39.360 already dead and in the boat and bags and never 1:36:39.520 --> 1:36:43.040 on the like, how would the scent stay on this marina? 1:36:43.600 --> 1:36:45.400 You know what I mean. It was just kind of wild. 1:36:45.520 --> 1:36:48.240 But people loved the dog, and they interviewed jurors after, 1:36:48.360 --> 1:36:50.720 and the jurors were on the dog side, Like a 1:36:50.760 --> 1:36:54.160 lot of jurors decided their decision because of this dog. 1:36:54.720 --> 1:36:56.440 But the dog was a failure. 1:36:56.680 --> 1:36:58.200 And I'm not saying the people that went to community 1:36:58.240 --> 1:36:59.800 college are a failure. Please don't come for me. I 1:37:00.080 --> 1:37:02.519 think it's funny that this dog like is basically like 1:37:02.960 --> 1:37:05.679 the girl who's the woman from fucking o C who's 1:37:05.720 --> 1:37:07.439 husband failed the bar seven times. 1:37:07.479 --> 1:37:08.719 That's this dog like. 1:37:08.800 --> 1:37:12.960 Emily and Emily, Emily and no Emily and oh god, 1:37:13.000 --> 1:37:13.759 he's horrible. 1:37:13.880 --> 1:37:17.840 What's his name? Shane, Shane. 1:37:18.479 --> 1:37:23.360 This dog is Shane, a different dog with a different handler. 1:37:23.400 --> 1:37:26.320 Did not scent Lacy on this dog, okay, But the 1:37:26.439 --> 1:37:29.680 jurors were hardcore on this dog. It was like one 1:37:29.720 --> 1:37:31.800 of the women being interviewed in this dog was just 1:37:31.840 --> 1:37:34.760 like they're like what what what made you choose him? 1:37:34.800 --> 1:37:36.840 And she, you know, say guilty and she was like 1:37:36.920 --> 1:37:38.840 the dog, absolutely the dog. 1:37:38.880 --> 1:37:40.120 And we'll get to this jury. 1:37:40.400 --> 1:37:44.479 This juror, she had a nickname called like they called 1:37:44.520 --> 1:37:47.040 her Strawberry Shortcake, and she was a backup jury. 1:37:47.080 --> 1:37:49.120 I mean, the jury stuff is really wild. 1:37:49.160 --> 1:37:51.000 I'm trying to get through this evidence so we can 1:37:51.160 --> 1:37:55.200 fucking get in it, okay. And the big thing was 1:37:55.240 --> 1:37:57.200 like the body was found where he said he was 1:37:57.240 --> 1:37:59.400 gonna be so like if the body was found anywhere 1:37:59.439 --> 1:38:02.639 else he could have been easily like cleared of the crimes. 1:38:02.720 --> 1:38:04.920 It's just so many coincidences. 1:38:05.200 --> 1:38:08.200 If it's not him, it's a lot of fucking coincidences, 1:38:08.240 --> 1:38:08.559 you know. 1:38:08.960 --> 1:38:13.040 Oh, absolutely, absolutely so. Then closing arguments happened in November. 1:38:13.080 --> 1:38:16.960 I mean, what a fucking trial. The prosecution closing got 1:38:17.000 --> 1:38:21.439 the jury to cry. And basically, you know, some people 1:38:21.479 --> 1:38:24.439 say they subbed emotion for hardcore evidence, but they didn't 1:38:24.439 --> 1:38:25.439 have hardcore evidence. 1:38:25.680 --> 1:38:27.479 So this is what you do. 1:38:28.000 --> 1:38:31.439 The defense kind of bombed bad day to have a 1:38:31.439 --> 1:38:34.400 bad day, but the defense did not nail it and 1:38:34.600 --> 1:38:39.320 really just had terrible closing arguments. And I've said this 1:38:39.360 --> 1:38:41.360 is where I'm coming from, not that he didn't do it, 1:38:41.439 --> 1:38:43.639 but if he's dumb enough to dump the body where 1:38:43.680 --> 1:38:45.439 he said he was going to be, he was dumb 1:38:45.520 --> 1:38:51.960 enough to leave evidence somewhere, a hair, blood lumin like 1:38:52.160 --> 1:38:53.240 something should. 1:38:52.960 --> 1:38:56.080 Have caught something right like that. If you're that dumb, 1:38:56.280 --> 1:38:56.720 I don't know. 1:38:56.720 --> 1:38:58.240 But like let me, let me let me just say, 1:38:58.360 --> 1:39:02.280 like he he like he chokes her. Let's say maybe 1:39:02.280 --> 1:39:04.360 he doesn't hit her, maybe he chokes her to death. 1:39:04.479 --> 1:39:07.240 Like her hair being anywhere is not a red flag 1:39:07.320 --> 1:39:10.320 he's her white like he's her his wife. So it's 1:39:10.360 --> 1:39:13.320 like this is like this if he chokes her desk 1:39:13.320 --> 1:39:16.240 so that there's no blood and we don't know because 1:39:16.280 --> 1:39:18.280 her fucking head was missing, So I don't even know 1:39:18.280 --> 1:39:21.479 if they could determine cause of death. It's just like 1:39:21.640 --> 1:39:24.639 there is I'm not saying he's not not dumb. 1:39:24.640 --> 1:39:25.720 I think he is dumb, but. 1:39:25.680 --> 1:39:29.640 I think it's possible he lucked intill not leaving any evidence, lucked. 1:39:29.400 --> 1:39:30.280 Into for sure. 1:39:30.760 --> 1:39:33.479 It's just like because even the police that testified where 1:39:33.560 --> 1:39:37.120 their theory was that she he killed her the twenty third, 1:39:37.520 --> 1:39:40.280 but it's like she was seen the twenty four. You know, 1:39:40.320 --> 1:39:49.439 there just wasn't concrete evidence like unfortunately, like I but yeah, and. 1:39:49.320 --> 1:39:51.759 It is wild. It is wild to think what you said, 1:39:51.960 --> 1:39:54.040 like if she was seen the morning of Christmas Eve, 1:39:54.600 --> 1:39:57.320 and like them, by the evening of Christmas Eve, the 1:39:57.320 --> 1:39:59.800 police are being called when did he dump her? Like 1:39:59.840 --> 1:40:02.280 if he dumped her at eleven am when they found 1:40:02.280 --> 1:40:05.160 the dog wandering around, that's the middle of the fucking day. 1:40:05.240 --> 1:40:07.200 So yeah, how are you getting rid of a body 1:40:07.240 --> 1:40:07.960 in the middle of the day. 1:40:08.840 --> 1:40:11.599 Yeah, like you don't have a wood chipper. I don't. 1:40:12.320 --> 1:40:13.320 It just doesn't make sense. 1:40:13.320 --> 1:40:15.040 And you're right, he could have just choked her out, 1:40:15.120 --> 1:40:18.200 but then what it's heavy. He does have a truck, 1:40:18.240 --> 1:40:19.719 he could have put the body on the truck. 1:40:19.760 --> 1:40:21.880 But then, like, I just think getting rid of her 1:40:21.920 --> 1:40:23.800 in the middle of the day on this bay would 1:40:23.800 --> 1:40:25.639 have been difficult with nobody seeing you. 1:40:25.680 --> 1:40:29.559 But I don't know the area. No, I agree with it. 1:40:29.600 --> 1:40:33.000 And also like who else is fishing on Christmas? Yeah, 1:40:33.080 --> 1:40:35.719 I don't think Jews really fish. If you're a Jew 1:40:35.720 --> 1:40:36.960 that goes fishing, let me know. 1:40:37.439 --> 1:40:39.640 I don't know how to Orthodox Jews, like what's that 1:40:39.680 --> 1:40:40.200 guy doing? 1:40:42.720 --> 1:40:44.800 But I have to be honest with myself the fact that, 1:40:45.240 --> 1:40:49.120 like I was pissed Casey Anthony wasn't found guilty, you know, 1:40:49.680 --> 1:40:53.120 like I understand the thing of like I don't I 1:40:53.160 --> 1:40:55.360 know you fucking killed that baby. I don't care if 1:40:55.400 --> 1:40:59.120 the evidence doesn't show it. So it is like I 1:40:59.120 --> 1:41:01.400 don't know why I feel kind of like I don't know. 1:41:01.560 --> 1:41:04.840 I just I just don't want to suddenly be like 1:41:04.960 --> 1:41:06.440 the cops did a great investigation. 1:41:06.520 --> 1:41:08.600 It's like, we know cops fuck up investigations. 1:41:08.760 --> 1:41:10.760 Well, and are you more mad that he was found 1:41:10.800 --> 1:41:13.000 guilty or found that or that he was sentenced to death, 1:41:13.040 --> 1:41:15.439 because I think we're also both just anti death penalty. 1:41:17.320 --> 1:41:21.599 I think it's wild to sentence someone to death without 1:41:21.760 --> 1:41:24.599 a creedo, I do. 1:41:24.880 --> 1:41:28.040 I think it's like really fucked up. Yeah, well now 1:41:28.080 --> 1:41:29.799 he's not getting death anywhere. 1:41:29.880 --> 1:41:32.679 Yeah, and it's it could have been because of this doc. Honestly, 1:41:32.680 --> 1:41:34.880 it's around the same time, so whatever, let's get So 1:41:35.040 --> 1:41:37.519 jury started deliberating and they took an initial vote and 1:41:37.560 --> 1:41:40.280 it was ten to two. Then day five of deliberating, 1:41:40.280 --> 1:41:43.040 a jur confessed to doing their own research and was 1:41:43.080 --> 1:41:45.000 taken off the case and was replaced by. 1:41:44.920 --> 1:41:46.960 An alternate jur Are you an idiot? 1:41:47.600 --> 1:41:50.360 And so this alternate juror was watching the whole time, 1:41:50.479 --> 1:41:53.840 and from the beginning she cried the whole case like 1:41:54.360 --> 1:41:57.000 she was so emotional, so into it, and they called 1:41:57.000 --> 1:41:59.840 her Strawberry Shortcake, and I am obsessed with her. But 1:42:00.080 --> 1:42:02.200 she is the reason he's not getting sentenced to death 1:42:02.200 --> 1:42:03.599 because she did such fucked up shit. 1:42:04.320 --> 1:42:06.040 So they had to start. 1:42:05.840 --> 1:42:09.759 Over deliberating, and things got so wild, and they hated 1:42:09.800 --> 1:42:13.000 the foreman and needed to replace the foreman. And so 1:42:13.240 --> 1:42:16.599 there's gossip that a jur threatened him and there were 1:42:16.680 --> 1:42:19.640 just fights and everyone thought he was guilty, but the 1:42:19.680 --> 1:42:22.800 foreman was just focused on the facts. So they dismissed 1:42:22.800 --> 1:42:27.799 the foreman. What yeah, how is that possible? You're supposed 1:42:27.840 --> 1:42:31.120 to that's a hung jury. If the foreman won't change, 1:42:31.640 --> 1:42:32.799 then that's a hung jury. 1:42:33.040 --> 1:42:34.120 They didn't want to mistrial. 1:42:34.160 --> 1:42:36.360 I have no idea, but like the guy that they 1:42:36.360 --> 1:42:39.120 say threatened him and like physically assaulted him denies it. 1:42:39.880 --> 1:42:43.559 But there were just scuffles and the foreman was let go. 1:42:44.640 --> 1:42:46.559 They let go, So the guy that wanted to like 1:42:46.640 --> 1:42:48.679 go through the evidence was let go and the guy 1:42:48.720 --> 1:42:52.000 who threatened him got to stay. Like if why don't 1:42:52.000 --> 1:42:54.640 you get rid of both of them? Yeah, like, why 1:42:54.680 --> 1:42:56.360 aren't you getting rid of the one that threatened And 1:42:56.400 --> 1:42:57.439 they don't have Maybe they. 1:42:57.320 --> 1:43:00.679 Only have so many alternates that were there for the trial. 1:43:00.720 --> 1:43:01.120 I don't know. 1:43:01.280 --> 1:43:02.880 And you're right, if he stuck around, it would have 1:43:02.880 --> 1:43:06.639 been a hung jury. So then listen to this. November eleventh, 1:43:06.720 --> 1:43:10.200 two thousand and four, another new replacement came in and 1:43:10.280 --> 1:43:11.440 the next day. 1:43:11.960 --> 1:43:12.960 They had their verdict. 1:43:13.640 --> 1:43:17.920 That's right, So the final vote was twelve zero. The 1:43:18.040 --> 1:43:20.800 verdict was in Friday morning and they only met up 1:43:20.840 --> 1:43:23.759 on Thursday afternoon with the new juror, so in nine 1:43:23.840 --> 1:43:27.640 hours and what so, like the defense attorney actually like 1:43:27.640 --> 1:43:29.400 when there was a new jur he goes, oh, I 1:43:29.479 --> 1:43:31.320 can go back to la for the weekend, and even 1:43:31.360 --> 1:43:33.800 Scott's sister was like, okay, cool, I'll go back to 1:43:33.840 --> 1:43:35.880 San Diego and come back next week. 1:43:36.280 --> 1:43:40.400 And then they all got called in the next day. Crazy. 1:43:41.320 --> 1:43:43.640 So then one of the jurors they come in to 1:43:43.680 --> 1:43:47.080 read the verdict and Gloria Gomez, the reporter, said that 1:43:47.160 --> 1:43:53.040 she saw one of the jurors wink at Lacey's mother before. 1:43:52.720 --> 1:43:53.719 The verdict was read. 1:43:53.840 --> 1:43:59.640 Oh no, but when the verdict was read inside they 1:43:59.680 --> 1:44:03.799 said they you can hear the cheering outside like people 1:44:04.800 --> 1:44:08.840 were they were partying. It was people were very, very 1:44:08.880 --> 1:44:13.479 excited for this Scot talk in this dock. No, oh, 1:44:13.560 --> 1:44:17.160 they're so in twenty seventeen. I mean, he's in San 1:44:17.240 --> 1:44:20.479 Quentin and so there's voice conversations, so there's just like 1:44:21.720 --> 1:44:25.719 voiceover and close captioning of what he said. But he's 1:44:25.840 --> 1:44:27.280 in jail, no video. 1:44:27.400 --> 1:44:27.719 Okay. 1:44:27.840 --> 1:44:31.800 I was just wondering if he was still like so unaffected. 1:44:32.840 --> 1:44:35.679 Yeah, I think he's just like a cool. 1:44:35.720 --> 1:44:36.679 I think he's like Dexter. 1:44:36.920 --> 1:44:39.360 Sorry, I have dogs cheering for the verdict outside of 1:44:39.400 --> 1:44:42.479 my fucking place right now, if you can hear dogs. 1:44:43.680 --> 1:44:46.200 But yeah, he's still you know, he's he says he's innocent. 1:44:46.280 --> 1:44:48.599 Yeah. So then things got tricky. 1:44:48.800 --> 1:44:51.240 So after the jury, this legal expert who was doing 1:44:51.240 --> 1:44:53.639 a lot of press during the trial outside the court steps, 1:44:54.200 --> 1:44:56.080 said that a friend came up to her and said, 1:44:56.080 --> 1:44:57.920 a bunch of the jurors were hanging out at this 1:44:58.000 --> 1:45:00.000 bar and talking about the case and how they're gonna 1:45:00.160 --> 1:45:04.240 get Scott Peterson. And since she's an officer of the court, 1:45:04.360 --> 1:45:07.840 she had to say something, you know, because like you're 1:45:07.840 --> 1:45:12.400 deciding if someone lives or dies, like you follow the rules. 1:45:12.800 --> 1:45:14.120 So she did tell the judge. 1:45:14.160 --> 1:45:16.320 The judge brought the bartender in, who pled the fifth, 1:45:16.360 --> 1:45:18.400 and the juror got to stay on the case and 1:45:18.439 --> 1:45:19.639 everything stayed normal. 1:45:20.040 --> 1:45:22.240 Why would the bartender plead the fifth? What's the bartender 1:45:22.280 --> 1:45:28.680 gonna get like you please? He could have lied, oh okay. 1:45:27.520 --> 1:45:30.160 Or he didn't want to overturn this thing because everyone 1:45:30.200 --> 1:45:30.799 was so happy. 1:45:31.000 --> 1:45:33.760 You know, yeah, you plead the fifth to not incriminate yourself. 1:45:33.840 --> 1:45:36.040 But I guess he's just trying to like keep the 1:45:36.120 --> 1:45:37.000 verdict upheld. 1:45:37.080 --> 1:45:39.439 But yeah, maybe he was just trying to be cool 1:45:39.600 --> 1:45:41.960 and like bragging to this woman who said, okay, well, 1:45:42.000 --> 1:45:43.960 I'm an officer of the court, Like you're putting me 1:45:44.000 --> 1:45:46.439 in a fucked up place. So during the sentencing hearing, 1:45:46.560 --> 1:45:50.080 Lacy's mom, Sharon did take the stand. Everybody cried. Press 1:45:50.160 --> 1:45:55.800 the Watcher's jury, everyone was crying. So then after this trial, though, 1:45:56.320 --> 1:46:01.120 they made celebrities out of these jurors, and the Strawberry 1:46:01.160 --> 1:46:05.479 Shortcake legit came out and called him an asshole, said, 1:46:05.560 --> 1:46:08.680 welcome to your new home, San Quentin, you asshole. Like 1:46:09.200 --> 1:46:12.679 people all these jurors were going all over television doing 1:46:12.720 --> 1:46:15.800 interviews and they became kind of like very popular for me. 1:46:15.960 --> 1:46:18.519 Yeah, and it was just okay to like outwardly hate 1:46:18.520 --> 1:46:21.120 this man like he was yes, oh yeah. 1:46:20.960 --> 1:46:22.679 Wow yeah. 1:46:22.720 --> 1:46:23.240 And like. 1:46:25.160 --> 1:46:26.639 Also, of course this jury's dumb. 1:46:26.680 --> 1:46:28.519 You had to find people who had no idea about 1:46:28.560 --> 1:46:30.599 this case and didn't have it, you know what I mean, 1:46:30.760 --> 1:46:33.920 Like it is kind of wild. And at the end, 1:46:34.040 --> 1:46:36.639 so he was sentenced to you know, death by lethal injection. 1:46:36.760 --> 1:46:41.120 The thing is, to me, this case is not solved. Yeah, 1:46:41.160 --> 1:46:43.479 to me, Okay, I don't think this case is solved, 1:46:43.760 --> 1:46:46.519 like if he is guilty, like prove it. 1:46:47.400 --> 1:46:50.280 I don't know. Yeah, it was not proven to me. 1:46:50.840 --> 1:46:52.479 But if I was on that jury and it was 1:46:52.520 --> 1:46:55.280 two thousand and three or whatever, I don't know if 1:46:55.320 --> 1:46:57.040 I would have found him not guilt, I might have 1:46:57.120 --> 1:46:57.639 charged him. 1:46:57.680 --> 1:46:59.280 I think he absolutely did it. 1:46:59.400 --> 1:47:01.240 I just think did I agree with you that the 1:47:01.240 --> 1:47:03.400 police work is bad? I mean, this is very making 1:47:03.439 --> 1:47:06.839 a murderer. Like I for a while was like he's innocent, 1:47:06.880 --> 1:47:09.439 and then it was like people were like caro, like 1:47:09.520 --> 1:47:12.400 any I'm like, all right. 1:47:12.720 --> 1:47:15.479 You know, but I don't think they proved it. I 1:47:15.479 --> 1:47:18.120 didn't watch that one. Oh man, I was obsessed. I 1:47:18.160 --> 1:47:19.200 watched it twice. 1:47:20.160 --> 1:47:22.120 Should I watch it? Is that something I should go 1:47:22.160 --> 1:47:22.759 back and watch? 1:47:22.840 --> 1:47:23.479 I think so. 1:47:24.000 --> 1:47:26.840 I mean it was I was like obsessed. 1:47:27.720 --> 1:47:30.200 I think now, especially that you've researched cases like this 1:47:30.240 --> 1:47:32.440 and stuff, you would be so fascinated. 1:47:33.160 --> 1:47:33.960 Ooh okay. 1:47:34.360 --> 1:47:37.240 So Scott Peterson's appeal was filed in twenty twelve, and 1:47:37.240 --> 1:47:40.000 the biggest issues for the case, they said, was like 1:47:40.080 --> 1:47:45.679 the dog evidence. Oh and the hydrologists, like they study 1:47:45.680 --> 1:47:49.320 I guess water patterns that testified in the courtroom, like 1:47:49.439 --> 1:47:51.840 he was saying how the bodies would have shifted in 1:47:51.920 --> 1:47:54.960 all this. He had absolutely no expertise, never did a 1:47:55.000 --> 1:48:00.120 study and never practiced it, but he was allowed to testify. 1:48:01.520 --> 1:48:01.840 Whatever. 1:48:01.880 --> 1:48:03.880 There's just like all these issues with the appeal and 1:48:03.920 --> 1:48:06.880 they wanted to overturn the death penalty. So I don't 1:48:07.000 --> 1:48:09.640 you know whatever, There's lots of like this, this, this, this, 1:48:09.760 --> 1:48:12.120 I don't care. But where's doctor Michael Badden And why 1:48:12.200 --> 1:48:13.400 was he not involved in this case? 1:48:13.560 --> 1:48:15.000 I'm telling you, if. 1:48:14.920 --> 1:48:16.960 They fucking called him and he showed up, he would 1:48:16.960 --> 1:48:18.479 have found some motherfucking evidence. 1:48:18.640 --> 1:48:20.000 Okay, he would have found. 1:48:19.800 --> 1:48:23.120 Some other Yah, doctor Henry Lee, Let's get somebody in here. 1:48:23.840 --> 1:48:27.120 So then this is all just like grasping from straws, 1:48:27.160 --> 1:48:29.559 maybe from the Scott's side or. 1:48:30.080 --> 1:48:30.760 Things are real. 1:48:31.040 --> 1:48:34.519 There was a mailman that said that the dog barked 1:48:34.560 --> 1:48:37.040 at him every single day, and on Christmas Eve the 1:48:37.080 --> 1:48:38.400 dog did not bark. 1:48:39.720 --> 1:48:42.439 And he so the dog was not there. Okay. 1:48:43.200 --> 1:48:46.000 There's a tip from a correctional officer that the burglars 1:48:46.000 --> 1:48:48.560 were caught talking about Lacy on tape and I was 1:48:48.640 --> 1:48:50.760 sent to the police, but the police never got it. 1:48:50.800 --> 1:48:53.720 And the tape went missing, and that was that, Like 1:48:53.760 --> 1:48:55.360 the police didn't log it or use it. 1:48:55.360 --> 1:48:56.880 The burglars from across the street. 1:48:57.439 --> 1:49:02.080 Yeah okay, And they said when they were interrogating the burglars, 1:49:02.479 --> 1:49:04.960 one of the burglars went, I don't know anything about 1:49:04.960 --> 1:49:07.280 that pregnant woman, and the cop went, we're not here 1:49:07.320 --> 1:49:09.640 to talk about that, We're here to talk about the burglary, 1:49:09.800 --> 1:49:11.120 and then never brought it up again. 1:49:11.800 --> 1:49:13.960 But again, I don't know, I don't know. 1:49:14.320 --> 1:49:17.519 We don't know what's sitting outside reporting on it, so 1:49:17.560 --> 1:49:18.960 that could be why the guy brought it up. 1:49:19.000 --> 1:49:22.080 But yeah, yeah, but if I was a good dete, 1:49:22.240 --> 1:49:23.519 I don't know. I don't know what it is to 1:49:23.520 --> 1:49:25.559 be a good detective or not. I don't do the job. 1:49:25.560 --> 1:49:27.479 But I feel if someone said that, you'd be like, oh, well, 1:49:27.520 --> 1:49:28.800 I never even mentioned it. 1:49:28.840 --> 1:49:30.400 What do you know about the pregnant woman? 1:49:30.520 --> 1:49:30.680 Yeah? 1:49:30.760 --> 1:49:34.519 Yeah, yeah, like you wait until they hang themselves. Isn't 1:49:34.560 --> 1:49:36.240 that the whole point that we learn. 1:49:36.040 --> 1:49:36.400 It as. 1:49:38.040 --> 1:49:38.240 Well? 1:49:40.080 --> 1:49:42.920 So yeah, they say that maybe Lacy confronted the burglars, 1:49:43.240 --> 1:49:45.000 but then why would they keep their body. 1:49:44.760 --> 1:49:45.160 For so long? 1:49:45.200 --> 1:49:51.599 There's just like two fucking much jury drama whatever, and 1:49:51.640 --> 1:49:55.320 the one thing that the defense attorney said he he 1:49:55.520 --> 1:49:56.479 thinks Scott's innison. 1:49:56.560 --> 1:49:58.920 He keeps saying that, but he he. 1:49:58.880 --> 1:50:02.360 Said, you can't really judge people act during grief, and 1:50:02.400 --> 1:50:04.360 he's like, I've been doing this for decades and you 1:50:04.439 --> 1:50:06.840 really can't decide if someone did it or not by 1:50:06.880 --> 1:50:07.720 how they grieve and. 1:50:07.720 --> 1:50:09.680 No, same like did I have? I talked about this 1:50:09.720 --> 1:50:11.400 on the podcast how you know how? I was like 1:50:11.439 --> 1:50:14.040 on Dateline one time because the girl I went to 1:50:14.040 --> 1:50:16.439 college with her husband disappeared from the crew. Yeah, people 1:50:16.479 --> 1:50:18.439 were like being so sketchy about her because she was 1:50:18.479 --> 1:50:20.759 going on all these TV shows talking about her husband 1:50:20.800 --> 1:50:23.599 disappearing from the cruise, but she wasn't crying, and they 1:50:23.600 --> 1:50:26.200 were all like, what the fuck, this is sketchy. She 1:50:26.200 --> 1:50:26.840 had something to do. 1:50:26.760 --> 1:50:28.479 With it, And it's like, no, she's just not crying. 1:50:28.600 --> 1:50:31.240 Like everybody handles grief in a different way, like they 1:50:31.280 --> 1:50:33.960 just everybody just wants, especially from a woman. People just 1:50:34.000 --> 1:50:37.680 want to see a specific reaction of like hysteria, to 1:50:37.800 --> 1:50:39.800 know that you're like, you have nothing to do with it. 1:50:40.560 --> 1:50:44.080 Do you think your friend killed her husband? No, I 1:50:44.080 --> 1:50:45.479 don't think she had anything to do with it. 1:50:46.920 --> 1:50:49.960 So August twenty twenty, the Supreme Court did overturn the 1:50:50.000 --> 1:50:52.880 death penalty, but they upheld the convictions. 1:50:52.960 --> 1:50:55.400 So all those mistakes. 1:50:54.920 --> 1:50:57.480 So just like a year and a half ago, okay. 1:50:57.400 --> 1:51:02.040 Yeah, yeah, there were The juris election was the biggest flaw. 1:51:02.600 --> 1:51:05.320 But I don't know how you overturn the death sentence 1:51:05.439 --> 1:51:10.120 because of the jury selection, but not do a mistrial 1:51:10.200 --> 1:51:13.800 like another trial, Like if the jury is all the 1:51:13.880 --> 1:51:16.800 jury errors led to an unfair death conviction, how did 1:51:16.840 --> 1:51:19.360 it not lead to an unfair trial. I don't really 1:51:19.479 --> 1:51:23.320 understand that, but I guess there's evidence that obviously they 1:51:23.400 --> 1:51:28.040 upheld it for some some sort of reason. But the 1:51:28.040 --> 1:51:32.400 big errors were jury selection. So the big thing, you know, 1:51:32.439 --> 1:51:35.719 I mentioned Strawberry Shortcake earlier. Her big thing that fucked 1:51:35.760 --> 1:51:40.960 up this case is she lied on her questionnaire. So 1:51:41.000 --> 1:51:43.000 you know, they ask you all these questions, and they asked, 1:51:43.040 --> 1:51:44.720 have you ever been a victim of a crime or 1:51:44.760 --> 1:51:47.400 like yeah, in a legal battle, and she said no, 1:51:47.560 --> 1:51:49.720 and that is fully not true. So she failed to 1:51:49.760 --> 1:51:54.200 disclose that she was involved in legal proceedings and that 1:51:54.280 --> 1:51:56.800 she was a victim of a crime. Basically, she was 1:51:56.800 --> 1:51:59.720 granted a restraining order in two thousand against her boyfriends 1:52:00.120 --> 1:52:04.599 ex girlfriend for harassing her when she was pregnant. Oh wow, 1:52:05.439 --> 1:52:09.519 so you legit have someone on the jury who was 1:52:09.680 --> 1:52:11.600 attacked while they were pregnant. 1:52:12.560 --> 1:52:18.519 Yeah what okay, Yeah that seems like a bad move. Yeah. 1:52:18.520 --> 1:52:21.280 But December eighth, twenty twenty one, so even more recently, 1:52:21.520 --> 1:52:23.320 he was resentenced to life in prison. 1:52:23.400 --> 1:52:27.160 Oh my god, like a mother dodge. Yeow. So he's there. 1:52:28.200 --> 1:52:30.280 And then Sharon did show up to that hearing and 1:52:30.320 --> 1:52:32.479 she was like, you're a coward. You didn't want to 1:52:32.479 --> 1:52:34.720 be a dad, But Connor would have been eighteen by 1:52:34.760 --> 1:52:37.000 now and you would have been free of child support, 1:52:37.560 --> 1:52:39.800 So like what the fuck? And she's like, Lacy and 1:52:39.800 --> 1:52:42.080 Connor will always be dead and you will always be 1:52:42.160 --> 1:52:46.439 the murderer. So that is the final words from Lacy 1:52:46.520 --> 1:52:47.920 Peterson's mother, Sharon. 1:52:48.840 --> 1:52:50.439 So other things I liked. 1:52:50.960 --> 1:52:53.880 Scott's dad called Nancy Grace live on the air to 1:52:53.920 --> 1:52:56.200 tell him how he feels, and it got really heated 1:52:56.240 --> 1:52:57.439 and he's like, don't interrupt me. 1:52:57.479 --> 1:52:58.760 You've had your time to talk. 1:52:59.200 --> 1:53:01.360 And so the dad called and just like fought with 1:53:01.479 --> 1:53:04.599 Nancy Grace on the air. So I didn't hate that move. 1:53:04.680 --> 1:53:07.400 I was like very into it. Another thing I like 1:53:07.840 --> 1:53:12.360 is there's a club called SPA Scott Peterson's Appeal, and 1:53:12.439 --> 1:53:15.200 it's a group of like his family members and just 1:53:15.240 --> 1:53:17.600 like different women who believe that he is innocent, and 1:53:17.640 --> 1:53:21.840 they like work on the case. But it is all women, 1:53:21.960 --> 1:53:25.639 And I wonder if that's like the classic to Bundy, 1:53:26.520 --> 1:53:29.559 you know, love of it all eye whatever. And they 1:53:29.560 --> 1:53:33.599 miss Conner like they miss like they loved them too, 1:53:35.200 --> 1:53:38.320 So they like where they found Connor's body. They like 1:53:38.360 --> 1:53:41.400 always go put flowers down and like they miss you know, 1:53:41.439 --> 1:53:44.840 they're not just like fully like Scott's the victim here. 1:53:44.880 --> 1:53:48.040 They're pretty upset as well. That's not something I love, yea. 1:53:48.760 --> 1:53:53.080 So also there was rumors that the defense wanted to 1:53:53.280 --> 1:53:57.920 like spin about satanic sacrifices and cults and like, you know, 1:53:58.000 --> 1:54:01.320 I love a Satanic moment, satanic. 1:54:00.640 --> 1:54:04.439 Satanic panic if you're having a hard time making your 1:54:04.439 --> 1:54:07.920 defense work, yeah, And that's what Nancy Gray said. 1:54:07.960 --> 1:54:10.800 She was just like, okay, if like all of. 1:54:10.720 --> 1:54:14.080 These ludicrous ideas wouldn't be necessary if he was actually innocent, 1:54:14.160 --> 1:54:15.840 Like you guys are grasping at straws. And one of 1:54:15.880 --> 1:54:18.960 the defense investigators was like, yeah, but anything I looked 1:54:19.000 --> 1:54:21.000 into was written in the police report. I mean the 1:54:21.120 --> 1:54:24.920 police did investigate the satanic cults. Like that wasn't just 1:54:25.479 --> 1:54:28.479 you know what I but Okay, so now there's this 1:54:28.720 --> 1:54:34.120 is what I'm interested in, and I can't find. 1:54:33.920 --> 1:54:34.760 A lot of information. 1:54:34.920 --> 1:54:36.320 So that's why, Like I don't know if it's a 1:54:36.360 --> 1:54:39.600 lie or not, but from nineteen ninety nine to two 1:54:39.640 --> 1:54:43.080 thousand and two, seven pregnant women disappeared in the area, 1:54:43.760 --> 1:54:45.440 So like, I don't know if we need a dexter 1:54:45.600 --> 1:54:47.680 new blood, like people need to show up and find 1:54:47.760 --> 1:54:50.400 like maybe there is just a serial killer. Like six 1:54:50.400 --> 1:54:53.200 months prior, there were different pregnant women found dismembered in 1:54:53.280 --> 1:54:56.400 the bay, and Evelyn Hernandez was one of them. And 1:54:56.400 --> 1:54:58.640 she's the only one I can get any information about. 1:54:58.640 --> 1:55:01.839 And obviously it was really fuck up because she's Latino 1:55:02.320 --> 1:55:03.240 and got no attention. 1:55:03.520 --> 1:55:05.280 And then Lacey got all of this attention. 1:55:05.800 --> 1:55:09.520 But her body was in parts in the bay, in 1:55:09.600 --> 1:55:10.560 the exact same bay. 1:55:10.720 --> 1:55:11.800 Oh my gosh. 1:55:12.320 --> 1:55:17.920 Yeah, Evelyn Hernandez, she went missing in two thousand and 1:55:18.000 --> 1:55:21.840 two in May, a week before her due date. And 1:55:21.880 --> 1:55:23.880 that's same with Lacey. It was like a week or 1:55:23.880 --> 1:55:27.440 two before the do date. So I just think it's 1:55:28.040 --> 1:55:31.560 maybe it's coincidence, and maybe Evelyn's husband, like, well, Evelyn 1:55:31.600 --> 1:55:33.280 had a boyfriend who was married and had a full 1:55:33.320 --> 1:55:35.560 family and didn't want her to have a baby, so 1:55:35.680 --> 1:55:37.919 like it could have been this husband, but his alibi 1:55:38.000 --> 1:55:39.880 was cleared. And it's like, Okay, you're not even going 1:55:39.960 --> 1:55:44.320 to try to connect this other pregnant, dismembered woman in 1:55:44.360 --> 1:55:49.400 the bay that was snatched weeks before her due date. Yeah, 1:55:49.440 --> 1:55:52.680 I just don't really understand that. And again, maybe it's 1:55:52.720 --> 1:55:53.760 because she wasn't white. 1:55:53.800 --> 1:55:56.320 And also where are the other five women? Where's the 1:55:56.320 --> 1:55:57.800 information on the other five women? 1:55:57.920 --> 1:55:59.720 I can't That's why I don't know if this is 1:55:59.760 --> 1:56:02.320 true or this documentary is just trying to like free 1:56:02.320 --> 1:56:04.680 Scott Peterson. But like I was, I was searching. I 1:56:04.680 --> 1:56:06.320 didn't search that long, Like I searched for like a 1:56:06.360 --> 1:56:09.560 half hour, and like I just couldn't really find anything 1:56:09.680 --> 1:56:11.240 outside of Evelyn Hernandez. 1:56:12.080 --> 1:56:15.040 Huh. So if anyone has inform and I looked up 1:56:15.080 --> 1:56:15.960 like Bay area, not. 1:56:15.920 --> 1:56:18.320 Just oh maybe because these women just went missing, their 1:56:18.320 --> 1:56:22.520 bodies were never found, right maybe, So so if you 1:56:22.640 --> 1:56:25.320 if people think that maybe they ran away or whatever, 1:56:25.400 --> 1:56:27.240 they don't always report on it the same way as 1:56:27.240 --> 1:56:28.320 like a body I don't. 1:56:28.080 --> 1:56:31.560 Know, and then people and then her wallet washed up 1:56:31.600 --> 1:56:34.720 as well because everyone was like, oh, she just went 1:56:34.760 --> 1:56:37.480 back to El Salvador and then her wallet washed up. 1:56:38.120 --> 1:56:41.120 But also the sources I found about Evelyn Hernandez are 1:56:41.160 --> 1:56:44.280 not credited. There's one CNN article, but the rest are all. 1:56:44.120 --> 1:56:50.040 Like weird weird blogs. Yeah, yeah, like it's not real. 1:56:50.240 --> 1:56:53.680 But it's just like so many articles. 1:56:53.680 --> 1:56:55.320 I mean, and we talk about a tale of two 1:56:55.400 --> 1:56:58.520 killings is like this big thing where it's like, why 1:56:58.760 --> 1:56:59.879 was this pregnant dismembered? 1:57:00.280 --> 1:57:02.080 No one cared about her, and it's one more tale 1:57:02.080 --> 1:57:03.000 of two victims. 1:57:03.600 --> 1:57:05.880 Oh and then one of the uh, there's a bailbonds 1:57:05.960 --> 1:57:09.320 guy for some reason in this documentary and they're talking 1:57:09.360 --> 1:57:12.400 to him about Satan and everything, and he just goes, whatever, 1:57:12.480 --> 1:57:14.760 we're a meth town. When you're on myth, of course 1:57:14.760 --> 1:57:17.320 you're gonna see Satan, like you think Satan's real when 1:57:17.320 --> 1:57:17.800 you're on meth. 1:57:17.840 --> 1:57:22.920 And I just loved the way he said it. Whatever. 1:57:23.160 --> 1:57:24.840 At the end of the day, no matter what the 1:57:24.880 --> 1:57:28.320 truth is, it is a tragedy. And what everyone can 1:57:28.360 --> 1:57:30.520 agree on is this is like really horrific and very 1:57:30.640 --> 1:57:31.040 very sad. 1:57:31.280 --> 1:57:35.879 Yeah, Liza, thank you for doing truly so much research 1:57:35.920 --> 1:57:38.840 on this. I knew maybe ten percent of what you 1:57:38.920 --> 1:57:41.120 talked about, So this was very informative for me. 1:57:41.400 --> 1:57:43.840 And well, yeah, because I think we were all so 1:57:44.040 --> 1:57:46.960 focused on the story and the vibe of everything that 1:57:47.080 --> 1:57:48.520 like the facts didn't matter. 1:57:48.560 --> 1:57:52.160 It was like, of course he did it, fuck him? Yeah, Well, 1:57:52.440 --> 1:57:53.800 sometimes it's Oukham's razor. 1:57:53.880 --> 1:57:54.080 You know. 1:57:54.840 --> 1:57:55.800 I don't know what that means. 1:57:56.280 --> 1:57:58.240 It's kind of like the most obvious thing is that 1:57:58.560 --> 1:58:01.240 is the truth, Like, oh, for sure. 1:58:01.640 --> 1:58:04.960 For sure. But they should have brought in doctor Michael Badden. Yeah, 1:58:05.520 --> 1:58:07.680 why is every case not bringing him in? He should be. 1:58:07.720 --> 1:58:09.320 We have to work him until he dies. We're not 1:58:09.320 --> 1:58:12.520 gonna have him that much longer. All right, I'm excited 1:58:12.520 --> 1:58:14.800 for our interviews, so stay tuned for that. 1:58:22.440 --> 1:58:23.280 All right, guys. 1:58:23.520 --> 1:58:28.520 I personally was thrilled when we booked this guest. I 1:58:28.560 --> 1:58:32.840 have watched her basically my entire life. She was on 1:58:32.880 --> 1:58:34.760 a show called Life Goes On I watched as a 1:58:34.800 --> 1:58:38.440 young person er and you've heard her voice in. 1:58:39.320 --> 1:58:42.040 An iconic movie called a goofy movie. 1:58:42.520 --> 1:58:45.320 But today we are delighted to talk to her about 1:58:45.360 --> 1:58:49.880 her role as Melinda Granville. Please indulge in our conversation 1:58:50.000 --> 1:58:53.840 with the one and only Kelly Martin iconic episode. 1:58:54.600 --> 1:58:55.320 Oh is it? 1:58:55.840 --> 1:58:58.160 Oh yes, I love hearing that. 1:58:58.560 --> 1:59:01.720 Oh I've seen this one. I'd be surprised if it's 1:59:01.800 --> 1:59:04.400 less than a dozen times. Oh yeah, Well, I have 1:59:04.440 --> 1:59:04.920 to tell you. 1:59:05.040 --> 1:59:08.880 I had to rewatch it because I hadn't seen it 1:59:08.960 --> 1:59:12.800 since it I think it first aired, and I didn't 1:59:12.840 --> 1:59:16.920 remember if I had done it or not. Like, no, 1:59:17.080 --> 1:59:19.400 I don't remember anything about it except that I had 1:59:19.400 --> 1:59:20.839 blonde here. That's all I remember. 1:59:21.080 --> 1:59:24.680 Yeah, you didn't do it, but you didn't not do it. 1:59:24.720 --> 1:59:26.360 I mean you you didn't do it, but like you 1:59:26.400 --> 1:59:28.320 sort of at the end, you know, you saw what happened. 1:59:28.080 --> 1:59:30.480 When you read the script. Do you remember feeling, oh 1:59:30.520 --> 1:59:33.520 a twist? Were you shocked a little? I was. 1:59:33.600 --> 1:59:36.440 I was a little surprised, and I was also surprised 1:59:36.640 --> 1:59:39.440 on my second viewing on just a couple of days ago, 1:59:39.960 --> 1:59:42.680 still that I didn't do it, like really, like I'm 1:59:42.760 --> 1:59:45.760 in like what I thought was confessing. I'm like, I 1:59:45.880 --> 1:59:48.880 was really watching it, and I did not remember that 1:59:48.960 --> 1:59:52.280 it was my mom. I didn't remember until until she 1:59:52.480 --> 1:59:56.040 like recognized it, and I was like, oh, okay, so yeah, 1:59:56.080 --> 1:59:57.240 I just went along for the ride. 1:59:57.240 --> 1:59:58.240 It is a good episode. 1:59:58.680 --> 2:00:02.240 And I have to say this show, I mean, the 2:00:02.280 --> 2:00:05.960 show in general, it holds up in a way that 2:00:06.200 --> 2:00:10.480 other shows from that era don't. 2:00:11.200 --> 2:00:13.000 Yeah, they were ahead of their time on a lot 2:00:13.000 --> 2:00:14.240 of issues. 2:00:14.080 --> 2:00:16.120 And what was going on in the world. 2:00:16.600 --> 2:00:16.680 Ye. 2:00:17.000 --> 2:00:20.680 So sadly it's all still relevant and still happening, but 2:00:21.400 --> 2:00:23.480 it does hold up for us pleasure. 2:00:23.400 --> 2:00:27.320 Even the pa scene, because I I mean, I like, 2:00:27.400 --> 2:00:29.760 actually I watched Life Goes on this show. I did 2:00:30.360 --> 2:00:33.320 like the pilot recently, and it was from the nineties, 2:00:33.960 --> 2:00:36.600 and I was like, oh my gosh, it is slow, 2:00:36.960 --> 2:00:40.080 Like it's slow, like it's a different pace of television. 2:00:40.640 --> 2:00:44.760 But spe you doesn't they really, It's like still the 2:00:44.920 --> 2:00:48.920 same pace. It's still very watchable television, even with our 2:00:49.520 --> 2:00:51.120 twenty twenty two eyes. 2:00:51.400 --> 2:00:53.040 Sure. Yeah, And I think the pace is one of 2:00:53.040 --> 2:00:54.760 the things when people say, like why are people so 2:00:54.760 --> 2:00:56.720 obsessed with the I'm like, the pace is like always 2:00:56.800 --> 2:00:58.400 the same, and like you always kind of know what 2:00:58.440 --> 2:01:00.680 you're gonna get at this mark, usually going to find 2:01:00.680 --> 2:01:02.520 out who the person is. I mean, some episodes mix 2:01:02.560 --> 2:01:03.920 it up, but you know you're usually going to find 2:01:03.960 --> 2:01:05.560 out and then there's a trial, like you know, it's 2:01:05.960 --> 2:01:07.600 the pace is comforting, soothing. 2:01:07.720 --> 2:01:10.200 Yeah, it's like I fall asleep to the rape and murder, 2:01:10.200 --> 2:01:12.000 but it is soothing and it's. 2:01:11.840 --> 2:01:14.360 Timing, it's soothing. Yeah. 2:01:14.520 --> 2:01:17.680 No, it's true, and there is some comforting kind of 2:01:17.720 --> 2:01:21.720 knowing what to expect in the format, but predictable, it's not. 2:01:22.120 --> 2:01:25.320 So that's that's the hard part of making good television, 2:01:25.320 --> 2:01:26.280 and they sure do it. 2:01:26.760 --> 2:01:27.440 Yeah. 2:01:27.520 --> 2:01:31.400 Well, speaking of Life goes On, Kara just gave me 2:01:31.440 --> 2:01:32.200 the huge news. 2:01:32.440 --> 2:01:36.160 Oh yeah, yeah, well, so for our listeners, Life goes 2:01:36.200 --> 2:01:38.160 On a show that Kelly was on in the in 2:01:38.200 --> 2:01:40.080 the early nineties and an amazing show that I watched 2:01:40.080 --> 2:01:43.760 and loved with Chad Lowe, a friend. 2:01:43.480 --> 2:01:45.760 Of the pod. He's been on our podcast. Oh good 2:01:46.280 --> 2:01:47.200 that you guys are. 2:01:47.120 --> 2:01:48.920 Rebooting Life goes On and it just found a home 2:01:48.960 --> 2:01:49.400 at NBC. 2:01:49.800 --> 2:01:52.920 Yes, So, I mean the thing that it's funny, like 2:01:53.000 --> 2:01:55.840 I'm not like so excited because this has been going 2:01:55.880 --> 2:01:59.800 on since twenty nineteen. Oh, Chad and I initially pitched 2:01:59.800 --> 2:02:04.200 the idea of revisiting Life goes On back then. So 2:02:04.480 --> 2:02:07.080 it's just been such a long process, and I am 2:02:07.440 --> 2:02:11.680 the most jaded person because I've been doing this so 2:02:11.760 --> 2:02:13.800 long that when I am on set and I am 2:02:13.840 --> 2:02:15.960 filming the new version of Life goes On. 2:02:16.240 --> 2:02:17.480 I will believe that we are doing it. 2:02:17.520 --> 2:02:20.480 But yeah, so Life goes On has found a home 2:02:20.520 --> 2:02:24.280 at NBC and we're super excited. So it's Warner Brothers 2:02:24.280 --> 2:02:27.800 the original studio and NBC being a new place. 2:02:27.640 --> 2:02:29.360 Not ABC where we were before. 2:02:29.920 --> 2:02:32.480 But it would be like the same kind of family 2:02:32.600 --> 2:02:37.400 drama tackling tough issues. And I think the thing that 2:02:37.440 --> 2:02:39.960 we're so committed to is making sure we satisfy the 2:02:40.000 --> 2:02:44.680 fans so that you know you have beca and quirky. 2:02:44.480 --> 2:02:48.200 And the core will still be there while. 2:02:48.000 --> 2:02:50.840 Still making it a new world that makes sense. 2:02:51.160 --> 2:02:52.600 And Patti Lapone is signed on. 2:02:53.240 --> 2:02:56.960 Patty Lapone is very much committed to doing it. Yes, 2:02:57.520 --> 2:03:02.240 another slum she is. She's like an everything along, Isn't 2:03:02.280 --> 2:03:04.760 she Like? You can't shoot anything in New York without 2:03:04.760 --> 2:03:05.720 including miss Lapon? 2:03:06.000 --> 2:03:06.280 Sure? 2:03:06.800 --> 2:03:09.400 Well, have you seen Chad Lowe's episode of SVU? 2:03:10.000 --> 2:03:11.920 No, I haven't, but I have to tell you. Do 2:03:11.960 --> 2:03:15.800 you guys know that Neil Bear was the one I 2:03:15.800 --> 2:03:17.400 think he brought me, he brought. 2:03:17.280 --> 2:03:21.520 Chad Well, that was our question. We're like, hello er SVU. 2:03:21.960 --> 2:03:23.560 That's a Neil Bear connect. 2:03:23.680 --> 2:03:26.280 That's what it is. I mean, Neil called me and said, 2:03:26.840 --> 2:03:29.720 would you like to do an episode of this? And 2:03:29.920 --> 2:03:33.120 I think it was maybe the first thing I had 2:03:33.160 --> 2:03:35.879 done after Er maybe because I went back to college 2:03:35.920 --> 2:03:38.680 after I got killed on ear so it might have 2:03:38.760 --> 2:03:43.160 been my one of my first jobs back. Oh so yeah, 2:03:43.200 --> 2:03:46.400 that was Neil. And Neil brought Chad in too. Yeah, 2:03:46.440 --> 2:03:49.600 and we've had Neil on twice. Obviously a legend and 2:03:49.960 --> 2:03:55.160 a legend. It brilliant, like so brilliant and fascinating to 2:03:55.240 --> 2:03:58.880 talk to him. I'm endlessly interested in everything he has 2:03:58.960 --> 2:03:59.280 to say. 2:04:00.160 --> 2:04:03.120 You need to recommend you watching Chad Low's. He is 2:04:03.320 --> 2:04:06.480 a he like puts fingers in his mouth. There's blood, 2:04:06.560 --> 2:04:09.880 there's incess, there's murder with pins. I mean it's a 2:04:09.920 --> 2:04:11.240 really twisted episode. 2:04:11.520 --> 2:04:14.520 Yeah, you're both in classics from like the first half 2:04:14.520 --> 2:04:18.040 of the series. Pattie's in a more recent one. But 2:04:18.200 --> 2:04:20.040 you guys are like in classic ups. 2:04:20.320 --> 2:04:22.600 I knew Chad had that in him, by the way, 2:04:22.960 --> 2:04:28.040 He's always one of those guys that you he's got 2:04:28.080 --> 2:04:29.760 some stuff underneath that. 2:04:29.720 --> 2:04:30.640 Cute face doesn't. 2:04:30.800 --> 2:04:34.040 Yeah, yes, have you been friends this whole time? 2:04:34.080 --> 2:04:34.960 Since Life Goes On? 2:04:35.560 --> 2:04:39.640 So Patty and I have actually been. Patty is truly 2:04:39.720 --> 2:04:43.120 my second mother, like for real, my second mother and 2:04:43.160 --> 2:04:46.600 I all of my important life events have included Patty 2:04:46.720 --> 2:04:48.760 ever since I met her on Life goes On? Because 2:04:48.800 --> 2:04:50.960 you were how old you were, like you were thirteen 2:04:51.400 --> 2:04:54.600 thirteen when I started Life goes On. So Pattie like 2:04:55.160 --> 2:04:57.880 she was at my college graduation, she sang at my wedding. 2:04:58.840 --> 2:05:02.240 She's just been She's been such an integral part of 2:05:02.280 --> 2:05:05.560 my life. Chad and I definitely drifted apart, but we 2:05:05.760 --> 2:05:09.320 kind of reconnected because I sought. 2:05:09.080 --> 2:05:09.800 Him out. 2:05:11.240 --> 2:05:15.680 Because I wanted to perhaps get Life goes On going again, 2:05:15.920 --> 2:05:17.640 and he was the first one I called, and I 2:05:17.720 --> 2:05:20.680 was like, had lunch with him and we just kind 2:05:20.680 --> 2:05:23.480 of reconnected it and now we've been very close ever since, 2:05:23.560 --> 2:05:26.320 and actually we have a podcast together. Yeah, we saw 2:05:26.680 --> 2:05:29.600 so like we've he's like my work husband all of 2:05:29.640 --> 2:05:32.240 a sudden, Now he's I talked to him every day, 2:05:32.320 --> 2:05:35.480 whereas I hadn't talked to him for many years. So 2:05:35.640 --> 2:05:38.240 it's it's actually amazing to have him back in my life. 2:05:38.280 --> 2:05:39.200 I love him so much. 2:05:39.520 --> 2:05:40.040 I love that. 2:05:40.120 --> 2:05:43.000 I love a full reconnect, a full circle moment. So 2:05:43.320 --> 2:05:44.800 tell us a little bit about the podcast. 2:05:45.320 --> 2:05:48.360 So the podcast is called The Big Break, and it 2:05:48.400 --> 2:05:53.560 is about that magical moment that changes an actor's career 2:05:53.960 --> 2:05:56.720 and what we try to get into. We have one 2:05:56.760 --> 2:05:59.800 guest on per show, and we try to get into 2:06:00.280 --> 2:06:04.280 that surprising big break moment, not the one that you expect, 2:06:04.320 --> 2:06:06.920 not the you know, she did a vida and that 2:06:07.080 --> 2:06:10.160 was her big break, you know, because because an actor 2:06:10.400 --> 2:06:13.320 wouldn't normally, they wouldn't choose that as their big break. 2:06:13.480 --> 2:06:18.160 It's always like I ran into you know, a director 2:06:18.200 --> 2:06:20.160 I really admired and they finally saw me in a 2:06:20.160 --> 2:06:22.560 different way, or my mom said you got to keep 2:06:22.600 --> 2:06:25.560 going or whatever it is. So and so we talk 2:06:25.640 --> 2:06:28.960 about that moment, and then we also talk about the 2:06:29.000 --> 2:06:34.960 origins of someone's career. So like obviously it's really funny, 2:06:35.000 --> 2:06:39.240 like everyone we've talked to has had such strange origin stories, 2:06:39.280 --> 2:06:42.560 Like everyone has a different way of getting into show business. 2:06:43.720 --> 2:06:47.600 It's usually very serendipity. It's not usually like I planned 2:06:47.640 --> 2:06:50.120 this and this was my life's goal. Like it really 2:06:50.200 --> 2:06:53.480 was like I was spotted by a wedding photographer at 2:06:53.600 --> 2:06:56.800 you know, like whatever it is, it's just always very strange. 2:06:56.800 --> 2:07:00.520 So that's that's what the show's about. And we've done 2:07:00.520 --> 2:07:05.440 ten episodes. I think five have aired. Patty's on next week. 2:07:07.360 --> 2:07:09.360 I also want to know what she sang at your wedding, 2:07:09.440 --> 2:07:10.000 if that's okay? 2:07:10.080 --> 2:07:11.880 Yes, I was like, is this too intrusive? But what 2:07:11.960 --> 2:07:13.000 did she sing at your wedding? 2:07:13.960 --> 2:07:19.040 So she sang two songs during the ceremony, but afterwards 2:07:19.160 --> 2:07:23.200 at the reception. My girl, Patty likes to drink, which 2:07:23.240 --> 2:07:26.360 is part of why I love her so much. She 2:07:26.440 --> 2:07:28.920 drank a fair bit and then she got up to 2:07:28.960 --> 2:07:32.080 sing one song because my father in law requested that 2:07:32.160 --> 2:07:37.680 she sing I dreamed a dream from Le Miz Wow, 2:07:37.720 --> 2:07:40.440 And so she did for him. 2:07:40.920 --> 2:07:42.360 But then she proceeded. 2:07:41.960 --> 2:07:47.240 To sing eight more songs. He did a full concert. 2:07:47.640 --> 2:07:50.600 Oh my god, she sing Don't Cry for Me Argentina, 2:07:50.840 --> 2:07:55.280 she sing meadow Lark. She just did it so much 2:07:55.280 --> 2:07:59.520 so that I was like, is my wedding day. 2:07:58.800 --> 2:08:00.560 We're pulling focus little bit. 2:08:00.760 --> 2:08:03.480 They got married in Montana, and so half the people 2:08:03.520 --> 2:08:07.160 at the wedding had no idea who she was. They 2:08:07.240 --> 2:08:10.080 just you know, like I remember hearing one of the 2:08:10.120 --> 2:08:14.080 guests go, wow, she can she could sing like no idea, 2:08:14.120 --> 2:08:15.600 no idea. 2:08:15.120 --> 2:08:19.600 She could maybe make a career out of it. She tried, Wow, 2:08:19.840 --> 2:08:23.120 that's crazy. Well, your podcast sounds awesome and we would 2:08:23.120 --> 2:08:25.160 probably love it because we asked a lot of our 2:08:25.200 --> 2:08:28.120 guests like similar questions like when did you know that 2:08:28.160 --> 2:08:29.640 you didn't have to like that you that you were 2:08:29.640 --> 2:08:31.240 this was going to work out for you, or like, 2:08:31.400 --> 2:08:32.560 you know, a lot of them are like, oh, when 2:08:32.720 --> 2:08:34.760 when I could quit the day job, or when you know, 2:08:34.920 --> 2:08:37.680 like totally Like we had a guy that was like 2:08:38.280 --> 2:08:40.280 discovered in a shopping mall the same thing and then 2:08:40.320 --> 2:08:42.280 had to like pressure a manager to take him on, 2:08:42.520 --> 2:08:44.120 or like you know, all that kind of stuff. 2:08:44.160 --> 2:08:46.400 So it's it's it's I love to hear those kind. 2:08:46.280 --> 2:08:48.480 Of stories for me. 2:08:48.800 --> 2:08:49.680 Do you want to hear mine? 2:08:50.120 --> 2:08:53.560 Yes, that was the next question, perfect, Well, I anticipated that. 2:08:53.640 --> 2:08:58.520 So my my aunt was a nanny for Michael Landon's children. 2:08:58.880 --> 2:08:59.240 Wow. 2:08:59.400 --> 2:09:04.320 So when I was I'm seven years old, I would 2:09:04.320 --> 2:09:07.520 often go visit my aunt at Michael Landon's very fancy 2:09:07.560 --> 2:09:09.280 home because that was a lot of fun and I 2:09:09.360 --> 2:09:11.800 was friends with his daughter Shauna who was I think 2:09:11.840 --> 2:09:14.480 like two years older than me. So Shawna and I 2:09:14.480 --> 2:09:17.160 were playing with our dolls one day and I said 2:09:17.840 --> 2:09:21.920 with her fancy dolls and I said, you know, I 2:09:22.000 --> 2:09:24.200 really I want to be on your dad's show. And 2:09:24.240 --> 2:09:28.120 she said okay, and so like she hooked it up, 2:09:28.160 --> 2:09:30.080 and my aunt kind of figured it out and they 2:09:30.400 --> 2:09:33.960 got me a meeting with Michael Landon at MGM in 2:09:34.040 --> 2:09:37.120 his office, and it was MGM was like the Lions 2:09:37.160 --> 2:09:40.480 out Front, like back in what was it, nineteen eighty two, 2:09:40.960 --> 2:09:43.200 the Lions out Front like it was old MGM. It 2:09:43.240 --> 2:09:45.880 was like MGM from the forties. Really, it hadn't changed. 2:09:46.600 --> 2:09:50.320 And so I had a meeting with him and he 2:09:50.360 --> 2:09:52.640 thought I was cute. So then he, like a couple 2:09:52.720 --> 2:09:57.040 weeks later, sent me a script and offered me a part, 2:09:57.080 --> 2:09:59.480 like a little part on his show that he was producing. 2:10:00.560 --> 2:10:04.320 And I didn't want to do it because it wasn't 2:10:04.400 --> 2:10:06.400 Little House on the Prairie, which was what I wanted 2:10:06.440 --> 2:10:06.840 to be on. 2:10:07.000 --> 2:10:08.560 It was called Father Murphy, but Little House in the 2:10:08.560 --> 2:10:09.240 Prairie wasn't. 2:10:09.040 --> 2:10:11.360 On the air anymore. I didn't understand that. So I 2:10:11.400 --> 2:10:13.680 was like, no, no, I don't want to do this. 2:10:13.960 --> 2:10:17.360 And my mom's like, we should try it. So I 2:10:17.400 --> 2:10:20.280 did that little part and was really good at it, 2:10:20.800 --> 2:10:22.680 and from there I got an agent and kind of 2:10:22.720 --> 2:10:25.240 just started working. And being a child actor is a 2:10:25.400 --> 2:10:27.800 very like at that time, it is a very small world. 2:10:28.040 --> 2:10:30.240 It was all the same kids. So I just started 2:10:30.240 --> 2:10:31.760 working like all the time. 2:10:32.280 --> 2:10:35.240 Yeah, who were your child actor kit pals? Coming up? 2:10:35.960 --> 2:10:40.920 My child actor pals. Jenny Lewis was a school pretty 2:10:40.960 --> 2:10:43.960 much every audition I went on, and she usually got. 2:10:44.200 --> 2:10:48.520 Like every job. And now she opens for Harry Styles. 2:10:48.520 --> 2:10:50.880 So everybody's road takes them to a different place. 2:10:50.760 --> 2:10:53.320 I know. And what's funny is I mean she was 2:10:53.440 --> 2:10:56.440 truly my nemesis, Like I was friends with her, but 2:10:56.840 --> 2:10:59.240 I was so jealous of her because she really got 2:10:59.240 --> 2:11:03.760 every part that like I kind of hated her, like 2:11:03.800 --> 2:11:06.280 I had this kind of competitive like heat for her. 2:11:06.520 --> 2:11:08.200 So that when I saw her not that long ago, 2:11:08.240 --> 2:11:10.840 I guess like maybe five years ago, I hadn't seen 2:11:10.840 --> 2:11:12.400 her in forever and I ran into her at a 2:11:12.520 --> 2:11:15.120 like a workout place, like a workout studio. I went 2:11:15.160 --> 2:11:17.240 up to her and I was like, hi, Jenny, and 2:11:17.240 --> 2:11:19.400 she was super sweet and friendly, and I'm like, I 2:11:19.480 --> 2:11:22.080 love your music so much, and I love that like 2:11:22.200 --> 2:11:24.800 we've gotten through like she's like and she'd been wailed, 2:11:24.920 --> 2:11:28.840 never hated me, right, it was always like from my side, 2:11:28.920 --> 2:11:32.840 So anyway, I'm I love her music. I'm super in 2:11:32.920 --> 2:11:38.080 awe of her, and so who else, uh like Amy Foster, 2:11:38.200 --> 2:11:41.720 Emily Schulman, Soli Moonfry. But then when I became a teenager, 2:11:41.720 --> 2:11:43.800 as all of them, it was Leod DiCaprio and like 2:11:44.200 --> 2:11:47.120 they Maggie Gillen Hall. I was an acting class with 2:11:47.200 --> 2:11:50.320 all of them because it was a tiny little world, 2:11:50.760 --> 2:11:52.560 so I pretty much knew everybody. 2:11:53.560 --> 2:11:57.720 And if your child wanted to do it, are you 2:11:57.960 --> 2:11:58.840 yeah or nay? On that. 2:11:59.320 --> 2:12:04.440 I'm a real on that, just because I feel like 2:12:05.240 --> 2:12:08.919 I got lucky with how I feel like I escaped 2:12:09.880 --> 2:12:15.120 with most of my sanity intact. But I do think 2:12:15.120 --> 2:12:18.240 it's a it's an adult world that I don't think children, 2:12:18.960 --> 2:12:22.560 my children certainly need to be exposed to. You know, 2:12:22.600 --> 2:12:26.000 you just hear and see things that kids aren't supposed 2:12:26.040 --> 2:12:28.760 to see, just because it's like it's an adult work environment. 2:12:28.840 --> 2:12:32.200 Even if a set tries to make it kid friendly, 2:12:32.760 --> 2:12:37.080 it's never truly kid friendly. So I I definitely would 2:12:37.080 --> 2:12:39.080 discourage my children from doing I have a fifteen year 2:12:39.080 --> 2:12:40.600 old and a five year old. My fifteen year old 2:12:40.640 --> 2:12:44.720 is zero interest. She wants to be a doctor, thank god. 2:12:45.200 --> 2:12:49.320 So the five year old is like, she's she's actually 2:12:49.440 --> 2:12:53.480 I call her like Patti Lapone and Kim Jong UN's 2:12:53.640 --> 2:12:57.560 love child. That's like she she would actually be a 2:12:57.560 --> 2:12:58.360 great little actor. 2:12:58.440 --> 2:13:02.800 But yeah, I just went just to go back to 2:13:02.800 --> 2:13:04.960 your last story. Think it's so funny that at seven 2:13:05.040 --> 2:13:08.720 you were like networking on playdates. You were like making 2:13:08.920 --> 2:13:10.640 making it happen, And I need to get on your 2:13:10.680 --> 2:13:14.160 dad's show. What can we How can we work this out? Yes? 2:13:14.400 --> 2:13:16.760 I was. I was a much better networker back then 2:13:17.160 --> 2:13:18.720 than I am now, that's for sure. 2:13:19.120 --> 2:13:21.400 Oh well, can we get to a little bit of 2:13:21.400 --> 2:13:23.720 more of your time on SVU because obviously your career 2:13:23.760 --> 2:13:26.320 is fascinating. We will get back to it, but we 2:13:26.360 --> 2:13:28.160 want to talk about the SVU episode a little bit 2:13:28.200 --> 2:13:31.040 more so. How was working with Shirley Knight? I mean, 2:13:31.120 --> 2:13:35.280 she's a wonderful, a legend astros. It was. 2:13:35.440 --> 2:13:38.600 It was great working with Shirley Night, though I think 2:13:38.680 --> 2:13:40.560 I just had like two scenes with her. I mean, 2:13:40.800 --> 2:13:44.120 that's the thing about these episodic shows, like you really 2:13:44.160 --> 2:13:47.080 don't have that much time with the guest stars, and 2:13:47.160 --> 2:13:49.760 especially like when you're in a family, like everybody's scenes 2:13:49.760 --> 2:13:52.240 are kind of spread out. So it was great working 2:13:52.280 --> 2:13:54.840 with her. I feel like, I don't know why. I 2:13:54.840 --> 2:13:59.080 feel like I remember one take, I feel like she 2:13:59.160 --> 2:14:01.320 slapped me in one, and then I was surprised when 2:14:01.320 --> 2:14:04.080 I watched it back that she didn't slap me. 2:14:04.560 --> 2:14:06.160 Oh, they may have done a take of that or 2:14:06.200 --> 2:14:07.440 something and then didn't use it. 2:14:07.800 --> 2:14:09.240 I think that might have happened. 2:14:09.400 --> 2:14:12.760 We definitely did like the chewing up the scenery version 2:14:12.960 --> 2:14:19.160 of you know that last scene where she's yelling at 2:14:19.200 --> 2:14:21.680 her mom or she's saying those things to her mom 2:14:21.720 --> 2:14:24.640 and then her fiance is going to the elevator, like 2:14:25.080 --> 2:14:28.520 I know, we did very different levels of that scene 2:14:28.600 --> 2:14:31.000 to see it kind of how big it needed to get. 2:14:31.800 --> 2:14:34.080 I think it got much bigger in some of our takes. 2:14:34.080 --> 2:14:37.520 So what I ended up watching was like definitely muted 2:14:37.560 --> 2:14:39.760 from what I remember, but surely was great. It was 2:14:39.800 --> 2:14:42.880 really nice to work with her. It's kind of crazy 2:14:42.880 --> 2:14:43.960 to work with such a legend. 2:14:44.000 --> 2:14:44.600 It really is. 2:14:44.640 --> 2:14:46.400 I mean, you think about like all the things she's 2:14:46.440 --> 2:14:48.920 done in her career, so it was it's an honor, 2:14:48.960 --> 2:14:50.440 you know, to work with her. 2:14:50.640 --> 2:14:53.240 For sure. Wow, what a shame. I would have loved 2:14:53.240 --> 2:14:54.040 to have seen that slab. 2:14:54.680 --> 2:14:57.280 By the way, that might have just been in my imagination. 2:14:57.680 --> 2:15:00.240 I don't know for sure. I cannot tell you I 2:15:00.240 --> 2:15:00.840 have such if. 2:15:00.720 --> 2:15:03.640 You imagine, surely Knight slapping you across the face, though 2:15:03.680 --> 2:15:07.560 it probably happened, right that happened, maybe a shove or 2:15:07.600 --> 2:15:08.200 something like that. 2:15:10.520 --> 2:15:13.480 Also, we love the wardrobe on this podcast, and that 2:15:13.560 --> 2:15:15.120 we think they do such a great job. 2:15:15.200 --> 2:15:16.680 We love the nighty moment. 2:15:17.240 --> 2:15:20.360 I love the night moment too. By the way, it 2:15:20.560 --> 2:15:23.760 was just a moment. It was the fastest because I 2:15:23.800 --> 2:15:27.600 remember them really wanting this sexy, beautiful nightgown and I'm 2:15:27.600 --> 2:15:30.080 sure they spent a very pretty pinny on it, and 2:15:30.920 --> 2:15:33.960 it was so quick. I wish they had a better 2:15:34.120 --> 2:15:37.440 like more of you know, more shots of me and 2:15:37.520 --> 2:15:40.520 that gorgeous nighty with a robe. 2:15:40.560 --> 2:15:42.160 I mean, it was like, I was like, who wakes 2:15:42.240 --> 2:15:43.400 up in the middle of the night to talk to 2:15:43.400 --> 2:15:46.760 police looking like this? It was very apparently what's her 2:15:46.920 --> 2:15:49.160 Melinda does? Linda does? 2:15:50.080 --> 2:15:52.280 Yeah, what's the key to playing a rich girl? 2:15:52.880 --> 2:15:54.160 Oh goodness? 2:15:54.440 --> 2:15:59.120 You know, I wish I knew I actually I found 2:15:59.200 --> 2:16:01.080 myself when I was watching it back. I was like, 2:16:01.400 --> 2:16:03.440 I felt like I was very one note. I would 2:16:03.480 --> 2:16:05.880 have definitely played that part a little differently now. I 2:16:05.880 --> 2:16:08.640 felt like the first moment you meet Melinda, when she 2:16:08.680 --> 2:16:12.440 comes in with the flowers with her mom, she's already upset, 2:16:13.720 --> 2:16:16.080 which I was like, I was watching it, going, why 2:16:16.120 --> 2:16:19.680 am I already playing? Like what happens later? Like, I 2:16:19.720 --> 2:16:21.680 really felt like I would do that differently. I would 2:16:21.720 --> 2:16:23.720 have come in with a little bit like a little aria, 2:16:23.960 --> 2:16:24.600 a little bit. 2:16:24.480 --> 2:16:27.480 Like oh the police are here, like no big deal. 2:16:27.800 --> 2:16:29.360 I feel like a rich girl would have been a 2:16:29.400 --> 2:16:30.320 little bit more like. 2:16:31.040 --> 2:16:32.480 Everything's fucking go wrong. 2:16:32.800 --> 2:16:35.360 Yeah, I really think that that is how I would 2:16:35.400 --> 2:16:36.120 have played it. Now. 2:16:38.200 --> 2:16:39.200 Yeah, I don't know how to. 2:16:39.120 --> 2:16:41.560 Play a rich girl. I've always been I've always been 2:16:41.600 --> 2:16:42.800 the poor girl next door. 2:16:43.000 --> 2:16:47.280 So so this episode, you know, our podcast is like 2:16:47.440 --> 2:16:49.200 we talk about the episode of the show, but then 2:16:49.240 --> 2:16:51.000 we also talk about the true crime was based on. 2:16:51.120 --> 2:16:54.640 We thought that this episode was loosely based on Lacy 2:16:54.680 --> 2:16:57.200 and Scott Peterson just because of the time that it 2:16:57.240 --> 2:17:00.879 came out, like that that case was like dominating the airwaves. Like, 2:17:01.120 --> 2:17:03.600 so I was wondering if you like remember like shooting 2:17:03.600 --> 2:17:06.199 this at that time with like the news happening about 2:17:06.240 --> 2:17:07.480 that or not really. 2:17:07.280 --> 2:17:10.000 You know, I definitely don't remember that. I think that 2:17:10.240 --> 2:17:13.200 all the medical aspects of it I totally credited to 2:17:13.360 --> 2:17:17.360 Neil bhar and how the whole like placent is gonna 2:17:17.440 --> 2:17:20.080 rip out like all that. I was like, that's so Neil. 2:17:21.120 --> 2:17:25.080 And the ticking clock of it all really I thought 2:17:25.120 --> 2:17:27.280 worked very very well in this episode. 2:17:27.320 --> 2:17:29.760 I love that Chris is like, we have nineteen hours left. 2:17:30.480 --> 2:17:32.560 And the other thing I loved about it was that 2:17:32.640 --> 2:17:37.720 Chrismal what's a stabler was like, just gonna deliver a baby? 2:17:38.360 --> 2:17:39.000 Here he goes. 2:17:39.440 --> 2:17:41.640 I was like, I just have my twelve of his own, 2:17:41.720 --> 2:17:43.560 so we thought, yeah. 2:17:43.280 --> 2:17:45.840 He's like, get me a newspaper. That's gonna be the swaddle. 2:17:46.080 --> 2:17:48.840 I'm rolling up my sleeves. This baby's coming. And I 2:17:48.879 --> 2:17:51.400 actually I was watching it going stable or just give 2:17:51.440 --> 2:17:54.960 her a couple minutes. I can hear the ambulance tell 2:17:55.000 --> 2:17:58.320 her not to push, don't push. I was like really 2:17:58.400 --> 2:18:00.680 kind of invested in it, and he's like, baby's coming. 2:18:01.160 --> 2:18:02.959 I'm delivering this baby, not the. 2:18:02.879 --> 2:18:04.800 Pars he gonna be the hero if he waits for 2:18:04.840 --> 2:18:05.800 the ambulance. 2:18:05.560 --> 2:18:08.039 Exactly because I could see the writers and the writers 2:18:08.080 --> 2:18:09.760 room going. But it's such a great moment to have 2:18:09.879 --> 2:18:12.760 him deliver the baby, even though he really should tell her. 2:18:12.600 --> 2:18:14.279 Not to push. 2:18:14.320 --> 2:18:16.360 And then I also like how they're like, tell us, 2:18:16.400 --> 2:18:17.240 who did it? Was it? 2:18:17.280 --> 2:18:21.680 Come on, talk to us, and she's like, you know, no, 2:18:21.760 --> 2:18:25.600 but but great moment. I also thought it was really 2:18:25.640 --> 2:18:31.039 great that Benson hands the baby to what's his face, 2:18:32.160 --> 2:18:38.320 Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Gables, Yeah, the guy who plays Daniel. 2:18:38.520 --> 2:18:40.959 So how he how she puts the baby in his 2:18:41.080 --> 2:18:43.600 arms and then it's like, this is your baby. You 2:18:43.680 --> 2:18:47.280 are all she has in the world. So I thought 2:18:47.280 --> 2:18:48.840 that was a really really good moment too. 2:18:49.400 --> 2:18:50.880 Do you think they did end up together? 2:18:51.320 --> 2:18:55.440 Oh no, no, no, no, no, oh no, not at all. 2:18:56.440 --> 2:18:59.840 And that guy Gabe weirdly apparently I went to call 2:19:00.160 --> 2:19:02.440 you with him, but I don't remember it. 2:19:02.640 --> 2:19:06.400 Yeah. I wanted to ask you about that too, when 2:19:06.400 --> 2:19:08.920 you were talking about how like, you know, you escaped 2:19:09.000 --> 2:19:13.520 from the you know, pitfalls of child stardom. I feel 2:19:13.520 --> 2:19:15.959 like I can usually tell when somebody steps away and 2:19:16.000 --> 2:19:18.119 goes to college for a few years that they kind 2:19:18.120 --> 2:19:19.680 of have their head on a little bit straight about 2:19:19.680 --> 2:19:24.000 the whole fame and act like celebrity thing. So how 2:19:24.000 --> 2:19:24.320 did that. 2:19:24.280 --> 2:19:24.760 All come about? 2:19:24.800 --> 2:19:25.960 Were you did you always know you wanted to go 2:19:26.000 --> 2:19:27.280 to college? Did you do it a little bit like 2:19:27.360 --> 2:19:29.240 later or was there like a break in your acting? 2:19:29.320 --> 2:19:30.720 Like what was that situation? 2:19:31.120 --> 2:19:34.920 So my college was a real like, my college experience 2:19:34.959 --> 2:19:38.400 was a real journey. I decided when I was in 2:19:38.560 --> 2:19:42.000 ninth grade that I wanted to go to Yale because 2:19:42.160 --> 2:19:43.440 that is where Jody Foster went. 2:19:43.920 --> 2:19:44.320 That's it. 2:19:44.720 --> 2:19:46.640 That's all I knew about Yale. I didn't know that 2:19:46.720 --> 2:19:50.120 Yale was a great school. I didn't know anything about 2:19:50.200 --> 2:19:53.119 Yale except that Jody Foster went there. 2:19:53.200 --> 2:19:53.720 So that is. 2:19:53.800 --> 2:19:57.240 And Jody was a child actor like me. Not that 2:19:57.280 --> 2:19:59.760 I was like Jodie Foster, God knows. I mean Jody 2:19:59.760 --> 2:20:03.520 Foster Foster. But she was a child actor. She went 2:20:03.560 --> 2:20:07.880 away to school, she came back, she directs. She's an actor. 2:20:07.959 --> 2:20:09.840 I'm like, that's what I want to do that. So 2:20:10.000 --> 2:20:12.840 really I just patterned my life after her. So I 2:20:12.879 --> 2:20:15.600 worked really hard in school, even though I was on set. 2:20:15.640 --> 2:20:17.680 I went to high school on the set of Life 2:20:17.680 --> 2:20:19.560 Goes On. I never stepped foot in a real high 2:20:19.560 --> 2:20:23.360 school for four years. So I worked very, very hard 2:20:23.360 --> 2:20:25.760 with my tutor, and she knew I wanted to go 2:20:25.760 --> 2:20:27.480 to Yale, and she knew how hard it was to 2:20:27.480 --> 2:20:31.280 get in. I did not, so that was kind of 2:20:31.280 --> 2:20:34.840 my goal. And then I applied kind of right as 2:20:34.840 --> 2:20:40.080 Life goes On was ending, got in to got into Yale, 2:20:40.120 --> 2:20:43.800 and was going to go, but then I got another show, 2:20:44.040 --> 2:20:46.480 so I had to defer. So I deferred Yale for 2:20:46.560 --> 2:20:50.600 a year and a half, which they were not happy with. 2:20:52.200 --> 2:20:54.080 But I ended up going after I did this other 2:20:54.160 --> 2:20:58.760 series and I was there and I was not there, 2:20:58.800 --> 2:21:02.320 like i'd leave sometimes to work, but I left kind 2:21:02.360 --> 2:21:03.760 of for a big chunk of it. 2:21:03.879 --> 2:21:04.640 When I did R. 2:21:04.920 --> 2:21:07.320 I actually left between my junior and senior year to 2:21:07.360 --> 2:21:10.640 do AR and never thought I would go back. But 2:21:10.680 --> 2:21:13.480 then when I died on AR, I was like, I'm 2:21:13.680 --> 2:21:17.160 all done acting. This is awful. I never want to 2:21:17.160 --> 2:21:19.920 be an actor again. I'm going back to school. But 2:21:19.959 --> 2:21:22.520 I had been gone from college for so long that 2:21:22.600 --> 2:21:24.600 I had to reapply and get in again. 2:21:24.640 --> 2:21:27.760 Oh my gosh, how she did Okay? Great? 2:21:27.800 --> 2:21:32.520 I flat did another application and Ironically, my last year 2:21:32.560 --> 2:21:36.800 there was my best year there. I made straight a's 2:21:37.080 --> 2:21:39.160 because I was really invested in and I really wasn't 2:21:39.160 --> 2:21:40.039 going to be an actor anymore. 2:21:40.040 --> 2:21:41.199 I was going to be an art historian. 2:21:42.200 --> 2:21:42.560 Yeah. 2:21:42.640 --> 2:21:44.480 Well I read that in your Wikipedia that you majored 2:21:44.520 --> 2:21:46.760 and was in art history. And so then what happened 2:21:46.760 --> 2:21:49.360 because I don't know that your art historian ing right now? 2:21:50.240 --> 2:21:53.360 Then I did a pilot that didn't go, but I 2:21:53.400 --> 2:21:57.520 was like, okay, like acting being an art historian's hard, 2:21:58.000 --> 2:21:59.800 Like I would have to Like I realized I would 2:21:59.800 --> 2:22:01.440 have to go to school for like I'd have to 2:22:01.440 --> 2:22:04.520 get my PhD for anyone to take me seriously in 2:22:04.720 --> 2:22:07.480 the world of art history. And that was a long 2:22:07.520 --> 2:22:11.080 long time and acting so much easier for me. So 2:22:11.200 --> 2:22:12.560 I just decided to go back to acting. 2:22:12.560 --> 2:22:14.119 I mean, I think it's cool that you did something 2:22:14.120 --> 2:22:17.000 a little bit off of your path. You know, Yale 2:22:17.040 --> 2:22:19.000 has a great drama school too, but you did something like, 2:22:19.080 --> 2:22:20.080 you know, totally different. 2:22:20.840 --> 2:22:21.120 Yeah. 2:22:21.160 --> 2:22:22.240 I think. 2:22:23.520 --> 2:22:27.199 I've been an actor for so long that I needed 2:22:27.240 --> 2:22:31.680 to do something completely different. And ironically, art history actually 2:22:31.920 --> 2:22:34.879 has a lot for me. It was it's easy to 2:22:35.120 --> 2:22:38.320 enter a painting or a photograph because I think of 2:22:38.360 --> 2:22:42.240 it as like if it's a portrait or like a 2:22:42.280 --> 2:22:45.920 scene with people in it, I definitely picture the scene 2:22:45.920 --> 2:22:48.320 and the character aspect of it. That's kind of how 2:22:48.360 --> 2:22:53.520 I come at it. I'm a very visual person. I'm 2:22:53.520 --> 2:22:57.039 so visual that I actually even when I'm learning my dialogue, 2:22:57.200 --> 2:23:00.440 I've like I have to see it in order to 2:23:00.520 --> 2:23:03.320 learn it. I can't hear it and learn it. So 2:23:03.440 --> 2:23:06.119 like when I'm repeating dialogue in a scene, I actually 2:23:06.200 --> 2:23:08.600 can visualize where my lines are on the page and 2:23:08.640 --> 2:23:12.080 how big they are. So being a visual person, like 2:23:12.120 --> 2:23:14.160 that's just kind of like part of the way my 2:23:14.200 --> 2:23:14.840 brain functions. 2:23:14.879 --> 2:23:15.840 So it kind of makes sense for me. 2:23:15.879 --> 2:23:18.200 And I'm obsessed with history, very obsessed with the Civil 2:23:18.200 --> 2:23:19.880 War right now, very very very into it. 2:23:20.800 --> 2:23:26.039 How do you soak up your new Civil War? Yeah, so. 2:23:27.560 --> 2:23:29.960 I think everybody understands right now. I'm a real big nerd. 2:23:30.400 --> 2:23:35.000 When we went into lockdown in March twenty twenty, I 2:23:35.080 --> 2:23:38.039 just decided to kind of like go back to school 2:23:38.080 --> 2:23:41.680 a little bit. Gale has a bunch of free courses online, 2:23:41.800 --> 2:23:44.840 so I like looked up some of my favorite professors, 2:23:44.840 --> 2:23:46.520 and there's just a bunch of courses, and there was 2:23:46.560 --> 2:23:50.320 I started with the American Revolution twenty four twenty five 2:23:50.360 --> 2:23:53.359 core like classes on the American Revolution that were recorded 2:23:53.360 --> 2:23:56.879 by this amazing professor Joanne Freeman, and then I started 2:23:56.959 --> 2:23:58.160 kind of going through and then I got to the 2:23:58.160 --> 2:23:59.119 Civil War and I'm like. 2:23:59.120 --> 2:24:01.280 Oh, hello, so here I am. 2:24:01.360 --> 2:24:03.520 I took the Civil War class that Yale offered for 2:24:03.600 --> 2:24:07.720 free online. And now I just finished a Frederick Douglas 2:24:07.760 --> 2:24:12.200 class and I'm reading his auto his biography right now. 2:24:12.280 --> 2:24:15.480 So is this for only former Yale students or anyone else? 2:24:15.680 --> 2:24:16.120 Just hit it? 2:24:16.160 --> 2:24:18.360 You can take it if you just go to like 2:24:18.480 --> 2:24:21.520 free Yale courses, Like just google that and there's just 2:24:21.560 --> 2:24:24.440 a list of courses that you can just watch from 2:24:24.480 --> 2:24:27.360 these incredible professors. And so that's kind of how I 2:24:27.400 --> 2:24:32.480 got through this like crazy lockdown COVID thing. Is I 2:24:32.600 --> 2:24:34.760 just pretended. I was like, Okay, well I'm not acting. 2:24:34.920 --> 2:24:36.760 I when I don't act, I go back to school. 2:24:36.800 --> 2:24:37.840 So that's kind of what I did. 2:24:39.040 --> 2:24:40.920 I mean, I hope I can do it. 2:24:41.040 --> 2:24:43.160 Knowing myself, I probably would never, but I love the 2:24:43.240 --> 2:24:44.720 idea of taking. 2:24:44.400 --> 2:24:47.080 A Yale course in my home chat. I want to 2:24:47.120 --> 2:24:50.280 do it. Well, another universe that you're in that. 2:24:50.360 --> 2:24:53.840 I'm obsessed with Lifetime Death of a Cheerleader. That was 2:24:53.879 --> 2:24:56.400 a big movie for me. How does it feel being 2:24:56.400 --> 2:24:58.119 in the Lifetime? Oh? 2:24:58.400 --> 2:24:59.959 That was great. I was glad to be in the 2:25:00.240 --> 2:25:03.400 You know, Lifetime didn't make that movie that really. I 2:25:03.440 --> 2:25:06.440 think that was NBC actually, and then Lifetime bought it 2:25:06.520 --> 2:25:07.920 and basically acted. 2:25:07.560 --> 2:25:08.200 Like it was there. 2:25:08.480 --> 2:25:09.800 Yeah, that's how I know about it. 2:25:10.200 --> 2:25:16.199 That's a true crime movie, Death of a Cheerleader. Hilariously, 2:25:16.240 --> 2:25:19.760 Tori and I have reconnected recently. She lives in my 2:25:19.760 --> 2:25:24.959 neighborhood now, which is so funny. But my whole motivation 2:25:25.240 --> 2:25:27.880 for that movie was I realized I was playing a 2:25:27.920 --> 2:25:31.280 real girl who was at the time when we shot it, 2:25:31.680 --> 2:25:35.360 she was locked up, but she I knew if she 2:25:35.400 --> 2:25:37.440 ever got out, I didn't want her coming to look 2:25:37.480 --> 2:25:39.960 for me because I portrayed portrayed her as a crazy bitch. 2:25:40.520 --> 2:25:44.360 So I very was very earnest in my portrayal of 2:25:44.360 --> 2:25:47.840 her and wanted you to really sympathize with her, an emphasize, 2:25:48.040 --> 2:25:51.160 you know, just really like try to figure out why 2:25:51.200 --> 2:25:54.240 she did what she did. You know, that was my 2:25:54.360 --> 2:25:56.280 whole goal was to make her not kill me when 2:25:56.280 --> 2:25:56.879 she came out. 2:25:58.360 --> 2:25:59.400 That's so good. 2:26:00.800 --> 2:26:01.240 I love it. 2:26:01.320 --> 2:26:03.680 And then another big kind of moment. I don't know 2:26:03.680 --> 2:26:07.279 if you've have you felt the resurfacing of the Goofy 2:26:07.320 --> 2:26:09.840 movie and the love of that, and just on the 2:26:09.879 --> 2:26:13.119 internet it seems like it's really having a moment again. 2:26:15.000 --> 2:26:15.480 Blah blah. 2:26:15.560 --> 2:26:17.640 Don't even know what to say to this. It's the 2:26:17.680 --> 2:26:19.920 weirdest thing. I have to tell you. I find it 2:26:19.959 --> 2:26:24.200 incredibly bizarre because I've spent many years not knowing that 2:26:24.240 --> 2:26:26.920 people love a Goofy movie as much as they do. 2:26:27.040 --> 2:26:30.920 Like people send me drawings all the time on Instagram 2:26:31.200 --> 2:26:37.000 of rock Sane and are really really into a Goofy movie. 2:26:37.680 --> 2:26:41.800 And I've been asked to do podcasts and interviews about 2:26:41.800 --> 2:26:44.680 the Goofy movie, and I always say to them, I'm like, truly, 2:26:45.320 --> 2:26:48.440 I have no recollection of doing the Goofy movie. Zero, 2:26:48.680 --> 2:26:50.680 like zero. I think I just went in into some 2:26:50.720 --> 2:26:54.760 recording sessions. It was like, no big deal, and then 2:26:54.760 --> 2:26:57.520 I moved on with my life. So I have nothing 2:26:57.560 --> 2:27:00.520 to say about the Goofy movie. And I am fascinated people. 2:27:00.320 --> 2:27:00.840 Who love it. 2:27:01.440 --> 2:27:05.160 Then, but then I watched it. I hadn't seen it, 2:27:05.200 --> 2:27:06.879 I think since it had come out since I like, 2:27:06.959 --> 2:27:08.880 I think went to the premiere or something when I 2:27:08.920 --> 2:27:12.360 was like fourteen. So I watched it and I was like, 2:27:12.480 --> 2:27:14.560 this is such a good movie. 2:27:15.000 --> 2:27:17.440 Yeah, it's so good. 2:27:17.640 --> 2:27:22.560 It's unlike anything Disney's ever made. It's really like watching 2:27:23.840 --> 2:27:24.840 like Dawson's Creek. 2:27:24.920 --> 2:27:25.560 I don't know, like. 2:27:25.520 --> 2:27:30.480 It's like a teen drama like it's interested. 2:27:30.400 --> 2:27:35.240 Yeah, and rock Sanza babe. People love Roxanem Babe. What. 2:27:35.920 --> 2:27:38.760 Yeah, I had no idea, so I I find it 2:27:38.800 --> 2:27:42.879 on Instagram and Twitter to be absolutely fascinating how much 2:27:42.879 --> 2:27:44.039 people love a goofy movie. 2:27:44.080 --> 2:27:44.520 I love it. 2:27:45.480 --> 2:27:48.360 So besides the Life Goes On reboot, which we will 2:27:48.400 --> 2:27:51.640 obviously be awaiting with Baited Breath, what else do you 2:27:51.680 --> 2:27:53.800 have any other like projects or current things going on 2:27:53.840 --> 2:27:56.240 that you want our listeners to know about or well? 2:27:56.280 --> 2:27:59.240 I definitely so the podcast is ongoing, like those one 2:27:59.240 --> 2:28:02.720 will be coming out. I just actually directed a thing 2:28:02.760 --> 2:28:07.359 that just aired over the Christmas over December, and that's it. Actually, 2:28:07.400 --> 2:28:09.280 that is all I have going on aside why did 2:28:09.280 --> 2:28:13.039 you direct? I directed a movie called Mistletoe in Montana 2:28:13.120 --> 2:28:18.440 for Lifetime, starring Melissa Joanehart as a cattle rancher. 2:28:19.720 --> 2:28:22.360 Another SPU alum and an art collector. Do you know 2:28:22.400 --> 2:28:23.960 about Melissa Joonhart's art collection? 2:28:24.360 --> 2:28:24.720 I do. 2:28:24.840 --> 2:28:26.000 Melissa and I are very close. 2:28:26.160 --> 2:28:28.199 You guys are close, Okay, so maybe I'll get scooped 2:28:28.200 --> 2:28:30.320 from you. I just saw it once on tak Nataro's 2:28:30.360 --> 2:28:32.520 YouTube show, and I was like, wait, so we're going 2:28:32.520 --> 2:28:34.920 to the teenage witch has Dolly's and Picasso's. 2:28:34.920 --> 2:28:35.600 What is happened? 2:28:36.000 --> 2:28:39.120 She's so cool, she does. She has a lot of them. Actually, 2:28:39.120 --> 2:28:40.320 she has quite an art collection. 2:28:40.680 --> 2:28:41.280 I'm ablinsed. 2:28:41.480 --> 2:28:44.640 Melissa's not messing She's not messing around. You should have 2:28:44.680 --> 2:28:48.039 her on by the way. She's delightful. And we actually 2:28:48.080 --> 2:28:51.720 talk about her SPU episode on the podcast when I 2:28:51.720 --> 2:28:54.440 interviewed her. She's on the first episode of our podcast, 2:28:55.080 --> 2:28:58.480 and she talked about how it was so hard for 2:28:58.520 --> 2:29:02.520 her to cry in the app in the scene because 2:29:02.560 --> 2:29:04.879 she thinks she's such an ugly crier and she has 2:29:04.920 --> 2:29:06.520 trouble really connecting with that and she's more of a 2:29:06.520 --> 2:29:09.200 comedic actress whatever, but they really wanted her to cry 2:29:09.240 --> 2:29:13.119 and I and I actually found that to be the same. 2:29:13.160 --> 2:29:16.760 For me, is that in this scene where I'm supposed 2:29:16.760 --> 2:29:23.480 to when I'm being interviewed by Stabler and Benson. Marishka 2:29:23.520 --> 2:29:26.560 really wanted me to cry, and I did not want 2:29:26.600 --> 2:29:30.400 to cry. I decided I wasn't crying. And so when 2:29:30.400 --> 2:29:33.039 I decide I'm not crying because I'm a good crier, 2:29:33.240 --> 2:29:36.879 like I cry, I cried. Patty Lapone taught me to cry. 2:29:36.959 --> 2:29:40.200 I know how to do it. But because Marishka wanted 2:29:40.200 --> 2:29:42.360 me to cry, I think I just like I was like, 2:29:42.400 --> 2:29:45.200 forget it. So she kept trying to do things off 2:29:45.200 --> 2:29:46.800 camera to make me cry and I was just like 2:29:47.200 --> 2:29:49.440 not going to do it. And Melissa kind of felt 2:29:49.440 --> 2:29:51.000 the same way. She's like, they wanted me to cry 2:29:51.040 --> 2:29:51.840 and I wouldn't do it. 2:29:52.080 --> 2:29:55.440 Wow, because we've had a bunch of people, like younger 2:29:55.480 --> 2:29:57.840 actresses usually that have said I wanted to cry and 2:29:57.879 --> 2:29:59.959 I couldn't, and Marishka really helped me cry. 2:30:00.640 --> 2:30:04.080 I think Marishka sees that that sees that as her 2:30:04.200 --> 2:30:08.480 role and wants to deliver that so it's an option 2:30:08.560 --> 2:30:10.840 in the editing room if they haven't, which is very 2:30:10.840 --> 2:30:14.720 good of her. I found her attempts to help me 2:30:15.000 --> 2:30:18.680 cry did not help me. Infect pushed me the other way. 2:30:19.040 --> 2:30:21.440 So what was she doing to you off camera to 2:30:21.440 --> 2:30:22.120 make you cry. 2:30:22.879 --> 2:30:26.039 There's a thing actors do. There's a thing actors do 2:30:26.160 --> 2:30:29.880 off camera to help you cry. Either they cry, which 2:30:29.959 --> 2:30:32.560 maybe sometimes works for some people when they're doing their 2:30:32.600 --> 2:30:37.080 on camera to cry, or she yell like you will 2:30:37.160 --> 2:30:40.720 yell at you and try to startle you. And I 2:30:40.800 --> 2:30:43.240 was like, I know all these tricks. 2:30:44.240 --> 2:30:44.720 God lover. 2:30:44.920 --> 2:30:47.680 Honestly, I'm not saying anything against Marishka. It's totally on 2:30:47.800 --> 2:30:49.440 me because I was like, I've made a choice and 2:30:49.440 --> 2:30:52.400 I'm sticking to it, even though it's your show. 2:30:52.440 --> 2:30:57.400 Marishka, I'm okay with your choice. I think that Melinda 2:30:57.440 --> 2:31:00.400 was probably like I'll find another poor guy to marry. 2:31:00.760 --> 2:31:04.080 Yeah, because wasps don't cry out or like in public. 2:31:04.320 --> 2:31:06.160 You know, I agree with that. I feel like she 2:31:06.360 --> 2:31:08.720 was a little bit I feel like she was a 2:31:08.760 --> 2:31:12.480 little bit kind of dead inside. I kind of that's 2:31:12.480 --> 2:31:16.759 what I went for. So, you know, sorry, Marushka. 2:31:20.520 --> 2:31:22.320 Kelly, we love you. 2:31:22.959 --> 2:31:26.240 My gosh, Like I told my husband about the Yale 2:31:26.320 --> 2:31:30.280 classes and we'll see do them. 2:31:30.959 --> 2:31:31.680 She's cool. 2:31:31.920 --> 2:31:35.959 I love people that love their work and I love 2:31:36.240 --> 2:31:37.160 people they work with. 2:31:37.280 --> 2:31:39.520 Yes, I love child actors that ended up normal, Like 2:31:39.600 --> 2:31:40.199 it's fun. 2:31:40.360 --> 2:31:43.920 It's like to college Patti La Pone singing at your wedding. 2:31:43.879 --> 2:31:46.279 And I love then you imagine. 2:31:46.640 --> 2:31:48.600 I just love the people that are like, wow, this 2:31:48.760 --> 2:31:53.520 kid's got it. Yeah, it's just like Miss Broadway. No, 2:31:53.680 --> 2:31:55.959 that's actually so insulting when after shows people are like, 2:31:56.080 --> 2:31:59.680 don't don't stop, you gotta keep going, and it's like, yeah, 2:31:59.720 --> 2:32:02.000 why would I stop? You think it's just you that's 2:32:02.000 --> 2:32:04.760 gonna keep me into this. It's like I've been I've 2:32:04.800 --> 2:32:07.520 been twelve years deep just to get to this half 2:32:07.560 --> 2:32:09.200 empty club in the middle of the country. 2:32:09.320 --> 2:32:10.320 What are you talking about? 2:32:11.120 --> 2:32:15.240 So obviously this episode is controversial. I'm taking a weird stance. 2:32:15.320 --> 2:32:18.400 Come at me, don't. Let's have a dialogue. Did I 2:32:18.440 --> 2:32:24.240 just become a youth pastor? So Kara? Did I got read? Well? 2:32:24.280 --> 2:32:26.480 See? Okay, listen, I will tell you something. 2:32:26.840 --> 2:32:31.320 I respect Lisa's feelings and thoughts and conclusions. I will 2:32:31.360 --> 2:32:36.000 say I did come across a book that was I 2:32:36.040 --> 2:32:38.800 think it was like written by someone else, but it's like, 2:32:38.840 --> 2:32:41.920 from the perspective of Scott Peterson's brother that's called Blood 2:32:41.959 --> 2:32:45.160 Brother thirty three Reasons, my brother Scott Peterson is guilty. 2:32:45.280 --> 2:32:51.400 So even his family is like, nah, he did it? 2:32:51.760 --> 2:32:54.720 But it's like, I mean, but. 2:32:54.800 --> 2:32:59.520 Not this podcaster, not this criminal podcaster SVU. Why can't 2:32:59.520 --> 2:33:01.920 we just have criminal podcast moment. We don't even have 2:33:01.959 --> 2:33:04.119 to act. Put us in your fucking show. 2:33:04.600 --> 2:33:06.279 I know, Well, can. 2:33:06.160 --> 2:33:08.280 You believe the surprise? Because we wouldn't tell anyone we 2:33:08.280 --> 2:33:11.520 were in the episode, and then we would everyone would 2:33:11.560 --> 2:33:13.800 go nuts on Thursday and on Tuesday, you know on 2:33:13.879 --> 2:33:17.000 Alice would have to edit hardcore quickly, quick turnaround. 2:33:17.160 --> 2:33:20.039 But yeah, it would be so excited. 2:33:20.600 --> 2:33:24.200 I would buy us also huffing and puffing in a 2:33:24.240 --> 2:33:25.359 workout class. 2:33:25.040 --> 2:33:25.560 In the park. 2:33:26.480 --> 2:33:28.600 Yes, you know, we're doing a workout class in the 2:33:28.640 --> 2:33:30.440 park and we're like fuck this, like. 2:33:30.360 --> 2:33:31.000 We hate it. 2:33:31.320 --> 2:33:34.400 We're slogging through it, and then there's some part where 2:33:34.440 --> 2:33:36.640 it's like run it, like run down these trails, and 2:33:36.680 --> 2:33:40.920 then we find a body that is good, that is good. 2:33:41.560 --> 2:33:42.080 I love that. 2:33:42.120 --> 2:33:43.320 I don't think I could top it. I was like, 2:33:43.360 --> 2:33:45.520 can we be at brunch? Are we walking? Argue, it's 2:33:45.560 --> 2:33:48.560 been no one's been in a world, very few workout 2:33:48.600 --> 2:33:51.280 classes actually out in the park, and we could kill that. 2:33:51.320 --> 2:33:52.160 We wouldn't do it. 2:33:52.560 --> 2:33:55.760 Yeah, because I went to a little outdoor birthday party 2:33:55.800 --> 2:33:58.039 the other day and there was just a full, like 2:33:58.640 --> 2:34:01.400 huge loud or outclass going on outside. I was like, 2:34:01.400 --> 2:34:03.400 I didn't realize you could turn anywhere you wanted into 2:34:03.400 --> 2:34:05.240 a gold gym if you wanted to. But I guess 2:34:05.240 --> 2:34:07.119 you can if you have a loud enough speaker. 2:34:08.040 --> 2:34:08.320 Oh. 2:34:08.400 --> 2:34:10.480 I love the person who tweeted being like, can't wait 2:34:10.480 --> 2:34:13.200 to hear Lisa talk about tomorrow's police outfit, and it's like, 2:34:13.280 --> 2:34:14.400 you guys really do know me? 2:34:14.480 --> 2:34:18.120 Well, I did definitely mention him in his outfit. Fucking 2:34:18.560 --> 2:34:19.560 hot piece of ass. 2:34:19.760 --> 2:34:23.959 Anyways, so rude, no wonder he's not coming on the podcast. 2:34:25.320 --> 2:34:28.800 You probably listened to one episode and was like, I 2:34:28.800 --> 2:34:30.039 don't think this is safe for me. 2:34:31.800 --> 2:34:34.119 Not a same space. It is tragic. 2:34:34.320 --> 2:34:36.120 You know, we do have fun on this show, but 2:34:36.680 --> 2:34:38.880 at the end of the day, it is a track. 2:34:38.959 --> 2:34:41.320 Oh it's horrible. I can't believe how long ago it was. 2:34:41.360 --> 2:34:43.959 I can't believe that Connor the baby would be like, 2:34:44.200 --> 2:34:49.400 you know, twenty one now, Like that's horrible, but I think, uh, 2:34:49.520 --> 2:34:51.680 I don't know what we learned from this. Basically, it's 2:34:51.680 --> 2:34:53.720 always the husband and. 2:34:53.840 --> 2:34:54.760 Cops fuck up. 2:34:54.879 --> 2:34:57.240 Cops are bad at their jobs, and because of them, 2:34:57.320 --> 2:35:03.480 we have weird things. Yeah, there's like everything is cops 2:35:03.520 --> 2:35:04.240 fucking up. 2:35:04.879 --> 2:35:07.080 But I think this is also a really interesting look 2:35:07.120 --> 2:35:09.760 at what we're obsessed with, Like we're obsessed with pretty 2:35:09.760 --> 2:35:13.039 white pregnant women going missing. Whereas we talked about how 2:35:13.480 --> 2:35:16.560 the was it Wesson the case of the guy with 2:35:16.640 --> 2:35:18.680 all the kids that he killed, I mean that was 2:35:18.720 --> 2:35:21.959 happening at the same time and barely like made a blip. 2:35:22.000 --> 2:35:27.840 I feel like, you know, they're pregnant women had gone missing. Yeah, yeah, 2:35:28.800 --> 2:35:33.119 it's just annoying when people don't acknowledge that racism is real. 2:35:33.320 --> 2:35:36.039 But right not our listeners. 2:35:36.360 --> 2:35:42.720 Yeah, you know, all right, if you're let's let's move on. 2:35:42.800 --> 2:35:45.480 What would Sister Peg do this week? Our weekly segment 2:35:45.480 --> 2:35:48.760 where we tell you guys about organizations or direct you 2:35:48.800 --> 2:35:50.720 towards books or articles or something that will give you 2:35:50.760 --> 2:35:53.760 more info on this case or what we talked about 2:35:53.800 --> 2:35:56.560 in today's episode. So if you guys are interested in 2:35:56.600 --> 2:35:58.320 more info about Lacy and Scott. 2:35:58.400 --> 2:36:01.000 Some people are very taken with this case. Is a book, a. 2:36:00.920 --> 2:36:04.199 New York Times bestseller called A Deadly Game, The Untold 2:36:04.240 --> 2:36:07.520 Story of the Scott Peterson Investigation. It's written by a 2:36:07.560 --> 2:36:10.480 former judge Catherine Cryer. I love the idea that it's 2:36:10.520 --> 2:36:12.920 written by someone who knows the legal system up and down, 2:36:13.360 --> 2:36:16.879 and it draws from extensive interviews with key witnesses, lead investigators, 2:36:16.920 --> 2:36:19.640 as well as secret evidence files that never made it 2:36:19.680 --> 2:36:23.879 to trial to trace Scott Peterson's bizarre behavior. So if 2:36:23.879 --> 2:36:26.200 you're interested in that, we will have a link to 2:36:26.280 --> 2:36:29.520 it in our show notes and as always, all of 2:36:29.520 --> 2:36:31.720 our what would Sister peg Do segments are on our 2:36:31.760 --> 2:36:34.199 Instagram in the WWSPD highlight. 2:36:34.800 --> 2:36:36.000 Thank you so much for that. 2:36:36.280 --> 2:36:38.240 We know that I will not be reading this book 2:36:38.360 --> 2:36:41.920 or any other book, but I but to all of 2:36:41.920 --> 2:36:46.080 you literate motherfuckers, have at it, and next week please 2:36:46.160 --> 2:36:48.760 join us. We will be doing the episode Justice, one 2:36:48.840 --> 2:36:51.119 of my favorites. I've wanted this one for a very 2:36:51.160 --> 2:36:53.920 long time. Season three, episode nineteen. 2:36:54.520 --> 2:36:55.199 A hot one. 2:36:55.520 --> 2:36:58.640 Watch it, keep up with us, never watch it. 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