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Speaker 1: Welcome to Is this a great game or what? And

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Speaker 1: our special guest today is my dear friend, rich Donnelly,

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Speaker 1: former player, former coach, former manager, one of the early

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Speaker 1: stars of the home run Derby, the greatest BP pitcher

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Speaker 1: of all time, one of the greatest third base coaches

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Speaker 1: in the history of the sport, and a man who

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Speaker 1: has made me laugh more than anyone over the last

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Speaker 1: forty five years. Rich, say hi to Jeff Kirtschin after

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Speaker 1: all these years, Hey, Jeff, is this a great game

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Speaker 1: or what?

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Speaker 2: Isn't that the truth? Rich?

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Speaker 3: And it's about time we got you on the podcast

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Speaker 3: because it is truly an honor to be with who

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Speaker 3: we call the greatest batting practice pitcher of all time,

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Speaker 3: Rich Donnelly, Right.

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Speaker 1: Dad, Absolutely no doubt about that. So, Rich, we got

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Speaker 1: the home run derby coming up, and I want you

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Speaker 1: to take us back to the beginning of the home

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Speaker 1: run derby. Even before there was a home run derby,

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Speaker 1: there was something else. Explain that to us because I

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Speaker 1: was there, I watched you throw. Tell us what happened

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Speaker 1: that day at Komiski Park.

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Speaker 4: Well, people who had the first home run derby, that

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Speaker 4: was the one way back when we were you know,

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Speaker 4: ten years old. And then somebody said, let's bring it

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Speaker 4: back in a new way. And the way they were

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Speaker 4: going to bring it back was they were going to

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Speaker 4: pick a guy from each team and go against one another.

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Speaker 4: Instead of batting practice, do it before a regular game.

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Speaker 4: So in Texas we had Larry Perrish. We go to

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Speaker 4: Komiski Park against the White Sox. They picked their home

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Speaker 4: run hitter, the great Ron Kittle, And here's how it

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Speaker 4: was going to go. I was going to throw to Larry,

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Speaker 4: and then I think Ark Kushner was going to throw

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Speaker 4: to Ron Kittle. And we were gonna go by innings.

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Speaker 4: So if you didn't hit a home run, that would

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Speaker 4: count as an out. Okay, so if you hit three

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Speaker 4: balls off the wall, that's three outs. Whatever you got

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Speaker 4: that first inning, we play five innings. Well, I can

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Speaker 4: say this was all new to us, so we didn't

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Speaker 4: know what was gonna happen. So I get out there

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Speaker 4: and and Larry and I I said, and he begged me.

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Speaker 4: He says, come on, he said, I'll give you a

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Speaker 4: thousand bucks if we win. And I said, I in

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Speaker 4: a man, I don't care. So we go out there

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Speaker 4: and we didn't know how was going to work out

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Speaker 4: so and I throw a VPTE at Larry every day.

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Speaker 4: So it wasn't anything new, but the part that was new,

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Speaker 4: Tim and Jeff. When you do the derby, they take

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Speaker 4: away the batting cage, they take away everything that you

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Speaker 4: are used to every day, and it's naked. You're throwing

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Speaker 4: to a guy like he's pitching a batting in a game.

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Speaker 4: So I get out there. They put up the screen

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Speaker 4: for me, of course, because I don't want to get

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Speaker 4: a line to drive off my head and throw. I

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Speaker 4: throw the first pitch to Larry. Boom, he hits it

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Speaker 4: in the upper deck. Everybody, Oh, second pitch, boom in

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Speaker 4: and everybody start laughing. Tim, you were there. Seventeen straight

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Speaker 4: pitches he hit in the upper deck. Then it puffed

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Speaker 4: up winning like twenty eight to four. And then we

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, and Rich didn't. Didn't Larry Parrish win

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Speaker 4: On his homeround all finish and fourth. The first prize

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Speaker 4: was fifty grand, and I'm thinking, hey, ten percent of

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Speaker 4: ten thousand, and I saw him. I saw him. We

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Speaker 4: We got into limbo, drove back to the airport, and

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Speaker 1: Jeff, I'm not kidding you. I was there that day.

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Speaker 1: It was one of the most prodigious power displays in history.

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Speaker 1: Every pitch Larry Parish at it was a home run.

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Speaker 4: Tim. And here's here's the part that I forgot to add.

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Speaker 4: After the home run derby, he didn't hit a home

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Speaker 1: Right, Absolutely amazing. So that's when it all started. But Rich,

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Speaker 1: take us back to and this is the best part

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Speaker 1: of Rich's story, is when you were the only batting

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Speaker 1: practice pitcher in the home run derby. Explain that how

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Speaker 1: that happens with Jeff. Jeff, As you know, everybody brings

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Speaker 1: along their own batting practice pitcher. Bryce Harper brings his

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Speaker 1: dad with him, you know, Todd Fraser brought his brother

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Speaker 1: tell us how you ended up being the only pitcher

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Speaker 4: Well, this was nineteen ninety four. The game was in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna coach with Jim for the Pirates, and they

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Speaker 4: they asked your Fregosi was a manager of the All

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Speaker 4: Star team, and he says, Rich, would you throw throw

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Speaker 4: a hitter for the all home run Derby? I said, sure,

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Speaker 4: I'll throw. So we had another we had we had

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Speaker 1: We want Rich bar During out there.

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Speaker 4: And all of a sudden, there's eight tim There's eight

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Speaker 4: off the mound, they go, no, no, no, you stay,

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Speaker 4: you stay, and junior Junior Griffy said, Rich, you stay.

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Speaker 4: All those other hitters, Frank Thomas hit the longest home

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Speaker 4: tell me our pr guy. He said, Rich, you threw

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Speaker 4: eight hundred and fifty eight pitches in ninety minutes and

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Speaker 4: you threw one ball. So that's why they liked me.

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Speaker 4: I could find the zone and then, uh, the thing

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Speaker 4: I looked at. Ten years later, my son Tim, who's

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Speaker 4: now assistant head coach at Marshall Marshall University, he said, Dad,

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Speaker 4: did you ever look at that tape of you and

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Speaker 4: hell you're throwing from. I was thrown from the rubber.

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Speaker 4: Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? Now they

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Speaker 4: throw halfway to home plate. I was at the rubber.

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Speaker 4: Try to go to the rubber and throw a strike.

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Speaker 4: Now at my age, are you kidding me? I was.

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Speaker 4: I was fifty years old in.

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Speaker 1: Ridge. Did you throw the whole ninety minutes from the rubber?

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Speaker 4: I'm just Frank Thomas, No, because that's the way I

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Speaker 4: threw from VP every day. The old coaches like me,

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Speaker 4: we all threw from the rubber and didn't even know it.

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Speaker 4: Then the last hit left tim the last twenty years,

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Speaker 4: they moved it up. They moved it up. Now they're

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Speaker 4: twenty feet from the home plate. But back in the day,

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Speaker 4: And here's what happened to him. I remember it was

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Speaker 4: and Cam Griffy Junior hit six balls in the upper

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Speaker 4: deck boom boom, boom boom, six in a row, unbelievable,

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Speaker 4: and he wanted to call the the derby. And I

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Speaker 4: walked in the clophouse. I was soaking wet. I didn't hurt,

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Speaker 4: and jue Fergosie he come over. He grabbed me, put

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Speaker 4: two hands on my shoulders. He said, Richie, that was

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Speaker 4: I can never forget it. I said, oh, thanks, thanks, thanks, Jimmy,

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Speaker 4: thanks a lot. I said, but I threw VP every day.

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Speaker 4: It was nothing. But you know, back in the day,

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Speaker 4: that's the way it was.

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Speaker 3: Rich I mean, we're getting ready for an incredible home

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Speaker 3: run derby. I live outside of Philadelphia, my wife and

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Speaker 3: morning show host, and so I do this podcast with

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Speaker 3: my dad as well to get my baseball fixed. But

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Speaker 3: we're so excited for the spirit of the All Star Game.

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Speaker 3: And you've been involved in around many a great All

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Speaker 3: Star weekends. Do you have any great besides that great

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Speaker 3: home run derby? Do you have any All Star game

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Speaker 3: or weekend stories that you can share with us.

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Speaker 4: Well, the one home one All Star game we had,

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Speaker 4: you know, in ninety seven. Of course, we won the

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Speaker 4: World World Series with the Marlins. So we're the coaches

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Speaker 4: for the next All Star Game, which was in course

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Speaker 4: Field and home run derby. Oh lord, a home run

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Speaker 4: derby of course Field. Here we go. So we get

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Speaker 4: can you throw these guys? Okay, okay, we're gonna do

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Speaker 4: an extra We're gonna do a practice round with you know,

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Speaker 4: Martin McGuire and Jim Tomy. Well in mal High Stadium,

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Speaker 4: the right center there's a purple line. It's purple seats

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Speaker 4: that's exactly five thousand, two hundred and eighty feet above

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Speaker 4: mile high. Then here comes Martin McGuire. And we had

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Speaker 4: hit the ball in the parking lot. It's impossible well,

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Speaker 4: here comes big I throw two balls. He hits them

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Speaker 4: it's a possible. Well, the windshield is busted. Martin Murguire

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Speaker 4: hit one where no one else could ever hit one.

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Speaker 4: He hit it mile high. The ball was flying, unbelievable. Unbelievable,

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Speaker 4: a home run derby at Corsfield. That's like heaven for

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Speaker 4: the fans.

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Speaker 5: People dehydration sucks. Quints electrolyte stick packs to the rescue.

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Speaker 1: I order them.

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Speaker 5: I use them all of the.

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Speaker 6: Time, somebody who may or may not have had some

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Speaker 6: adult beverages in their life. The next day, you know

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Speaker 6: what flavor? I like watermelon, and I don't like watermelon.

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Speaker 6: I'll go raspberry and it helps me to get my

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Speaker 6: citrus salt in. But if I do, it helps me

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Speaker 5: Yep, tough workout or dry mouth in the morning, whatever

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Speaker 5: it is, this is going to help you out. Quint

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Speaker 1: Rich Let's go back to that when you threw from

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Speaker 4: Well, they didn't even thought maybe give me a bat

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Speaker 4: his derby. But now it's just it's like you say,

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Speaker 4: One other story is that another I threw five home

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Speaker 4: And now this is a great story.

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Speaker 4: They got a limo for me. Boom, straight to Kmiski Park. Boom.

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Speaker 4: I throw the home run derby. Now watch this. I

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Speaker 4: I think Richie sex and he sent me a color

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Speaker 1: Rich I've known you for five years. I never heard

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Speaker 4: Oh yes, even ask my wife. She goes, you're gonna

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Speaker 2: And the worst part is you come back and the

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Speaker 1: That is so great. But Rich, the point of all

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Speaker 1: Explain to people who wonder, why can't a guy pitch

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Speaker 4: So Dill Wilber, the manager, said, Rich, you can throw strikes,

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Speaker 4: On a rainy day in Steubenville, we put apples in

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Speaker 4: In Steubenville, there was a big kid who was in

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Speaker 4: Ritchell throw, Hey, Ritchell throw, Rich will throw. And every

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Speaker 3: crucial detail here, which is the the fact that you

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Speaker 3: played for Ted Williams in the minor in spring training

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Speaker 3: and one, I mean, I didn't know you recommended you

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Speaker 3: to be a manager, which is like probably the greatest

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Speaker 3: compliment you could get from the greatest hitter of all time, right.

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Speaker 2: Because even though you joked about not being a great hitter,

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Speaker 2: he saw.

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Speaker 3: Your mind and nobody knew the game better than Ted Williams.

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Speaker 2: What was that experience like.

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Speaker 4: Being with Jeff? Let me pat the story. Let me

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Speaker 4: tell you the quick story about Ted Williams. I get

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Speaker 4: drafted by the Senators during the winter. I was with

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Speaker 4: the Twins and Deal Wilbert was a scout who scouted me.

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Speaker 4: He loved me, and he says, Rich, we just drafted you.

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Speaker 4: You're going to Pampino Beach. You're going to the big camp.

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh my lord, I was an a ball,

479
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 4: a ball, and I'm going I got chills all over me.

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Speaker 4: Now you're going to the Senators. You're going to big

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Speaker 4: league camp.

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Speaker 1: Oh my lord.

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Speaker 4: I broke out the sweat. I started doing push ups

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Speaker 4: and sit ups. I just went crazy. I went crazy.

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Speaker 4: So I go to spring training. I lie down. Now, Tim,

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Speaker 4: you could you could identify this. I get the cab

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Speaker 4: Joe Maco picked me up. Our equipment guy. Right, we

488
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 4: go to the we go to the surf Righter hotel,

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Speaker 4: and and and we pull up to the surf Righter.

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Speaker 4: I got my stuff in the trunk. I get out

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Speaker 4: to go to the trunk, and all of a sudden

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Speaker 4: I saw the lord. I saw Ted Williams standing there.

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Speaker 4: He's six foot four, and you know how he bellows.

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Speaker 4: He goes, boy, who the hell are you? And I

495
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 4: couldn't even know. I didn't know who I was. I go,

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Speaker 4: I'm rich Donelly. He goes, yeah. He says, you're that

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Speaker 4: kid that can catch, but you can't hear where the crap?

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Speaker 4: I go, yeah, me. So he carried my bags into

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Speaker 4: the lobby. So I run into I went into the

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Speaker 4: pay phone and call my dad. Dad. Ted Williams, he

501
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Speaker 4: just carried my bags into the lobby. He said, that's

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Speaker 4: real good. Now go ahead and go to bed or whatever.

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Speaker 4: You know, my dad he can so now he tells

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Speaker 4: me in spring training, Jeff, he says, you're going to

505
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Speaker 4: Triple A. I go, I am, yeah, you're gonna skip

506
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Speaker 4: high A. You're gonna skip double A and go to

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Speaker 4: Triple A with I mean, there were men playing Triple A,

508
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 4: Cisco Carlos, Joe Foy, Lou Klemchock. These guys are major

509
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 4: league veteran Dick Nen you know all these guys And

510
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 4: I go, I am. He said, yeah you are. You

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00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 4: can catch. But he said, who the hell taught you

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Speaker 4: to hit? And I said my dad. He goes, well,

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Speaker 4: your dad's a horse crap coach, and I went, okay, y, yes, sir.

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Speaker 4: So now now comes again to spring training, Jeff, and

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Speaker 4: I'm like, already I'm going to Denver. No, You're going

516
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Speaker 4: to Pittsfield Double A. I'm mad. I'm mad you told

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Speaker 4: me I was going to Denver with the big club

518
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 4: already left. So now I go to Pittsfield opening night.

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Speaker 4: Tim You'll remember this guy. Bill Gogileski was a picture.

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00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 4: I catch the game. I catch the game, we win

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00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 4: four to one. I go one for four. Dick Gerner

522
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 4: was the manager. He calls me an aftercaon. He goes,

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Speaker 4: I got good news and bad news. He says. The

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Speaker 4: bad news say is did you already get your apartment?

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Speaker 4: I said, yeah, we just all settled in, me and

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Speaker 4: my wife and my dog. He says, you got to

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Speaker 4: be in Denver. Tomorrow night. They need you. Oh my lord,

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Speaker 4: So I fly to Denver. My wife Peggy God, you

529
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Speaker 4: know God, for she drives the dog and the U

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Speaker 4: haul to Denver by herself. So I get to Denver

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Speaker 4: and about two weeks later, Deil Wilbur calls me in

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Speaker 4: the room. He goes, listener're having trouble with the big

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Speaker 4: leagues with catching and me and Bill Faye was a

534
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Speaker 4: number one draft pick. And Dell goes rich or he

535
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Speaker 4: goes rich and Bill that phone's gonna ring and one

536
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Speaker 4: of you guys is going to big leagues. And I'm like, whoa, Well, well,

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry it was it was Rickstelle Masic. It wasn't

538
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Speaker 4: Bill Faie Rixsdeale Mashone. It's Rick. They take him. So

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Speaker 4: I'm kind of bummed out. Now I'm mad at Ted Williams.

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00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 4: I've said now he lied to me about does he lied?

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Speaker 4: Blah blah blah. So about a week later, Tim you

542
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Speaker 4: guys came in for an exhibition game at Denver and

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Speaker 4: I said, I ain't talking to him. I ain't gonna

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Speaker 4: say hi, I ain't gonna run up and go high

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Speaker 4: mister Williams. No, No, I'm not talking to him. I'm

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Speaker 4: mad at him. So the game I'm catching the game,

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Speaker 4: Del Wherbury, you're catching. So the Senators players, they have

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Speaker 4: a second baseman, God rest his soul, Dave Nelson, who

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Speaker 4: led the America League in stolen basis. He gets on

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Speaker 4: first he goes to steal Boom. I throw him out.

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Speaker 4: Then they come up with Lenny Randall, my good buddy.

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00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 4: He gets on first base, Boom, I throw him out. Jeff,

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Speaker 4: I put my mask up on top and I lost it.

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00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 4: I looked over at Ted Williams. I said, keep running usob,

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Speaker 4: I'll throw every guy you got out And I went,

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Speaker 4: oh my god, what did I just do? I went

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00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 4: home that night and my wife goes, what is wrong

558
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 4: with your brain? What why? I said, I think I'm

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Speaker 4: going to be released. I said, I just cussed out

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Speaker 4: Ted Williams. So that was right. The year goes on,

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Speaker 4: nothing happens. I don't hear nothing. I said, well, so

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Speaker 4: next year they don't invite me to spring training, you know,

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Speaker 4: and I'm saying, well, I'm going to be released. I

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Speaker 4: go to plan City, Florida, and hal Keller says, you're

565
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Speaker 4: going to go to Denver, but you're going as a

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Speaker 4: backup catcher. I was their first string catcher for the

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Speaker 4: whole second half. Did real well. We went to the

568
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Speaker 4: Little World Series up at Rochester blah blah blah. So

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Speaker 4: I said, I'm quitting. So I walked back Tim. You

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Speaker 4: know this. I walked from Plant City Field back to

571
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Speaker 4: the holiday and in my uniform, I took it off.

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Speaker 4: I was crying. I told Cal how Keller, I quit.

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Speaker 4: I've had enough of this crap. He said, wait a minute,

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Speaker 4: don't leave. Thirty minutes later he calls back. He says, Rich, listen,

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Speaker 4: Ted waie. We told Ted Williams and he said that

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Speaker 4: don't let that boy leave. He says, you make that

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Speaker 4: kid a manager. I like his spunk, and so they

578
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 4: made me a manager at twenty four years old. So

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Speaker 4: that's how I got recommended.

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Speaker 1: So Rich you became a manager because you cussed out

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Speaker 1: Ted Williams.

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Speaker 4: That absolutely he.

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Speaker 1: Likes.

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Speaker 4: He liked because he cussed out more people than anybody

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Speaker 4: on earth. You know his vocabulary. There's vocabulary with seven

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Speaker 4: words that you can't say.

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Speaker 3: That is so great as an assign I just have

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Speaker 3: to say, you've told me about Rich Donaldy for years

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Speaker 3: and you always say he makes you laugh.

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Speaker 2: He is living up to the hype of.

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Speaker 3: The stories you've told me since I was growing up

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Speaker 3: about Rich Donelly.

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Speaker 2: That was incredible story.

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Speaker 3: If you're gonna curse anybody out and have the balls

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Speaker 3: to do it, Ted Williams, perfect guy.

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Speaker 4: Ted Williams. If you heard him talk like Tim has,

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Speaker 4: oh my lord. He says words that aren't even invented.

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Speaker 4: But he liked that because no one ever talked back

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Speaker 4: to him.

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Speaker 1: Sure right, it's a Rich. We're gonna pivot to the

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Speaker 1: other thing that you're one of the greatest of all

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Speaker 1: time at, and that is being a third base coach.

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Speaker 1: You coached a bunch of different places, but no one

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Speaker 1: coached third base better than you. And I did a

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Speaker 1: story Jeff for Sports illustrated on signs and stealing signs

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Speaker 1: and all that, and I went to Rich first, and

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Speaker 1: Rich told just Rich, how did used to tell me

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Speaker 1: that you would practice giving your shot signs in the bathroom?

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Speaker 4: Agreed exactly in front of the mirror. And uh, you know,

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Speaker 4: I had some Offerwood mentors. I had, you know, Jim Leland,

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Speaker 4: Jackie Moore. Uh. But growing up you could ask anybody

612
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 4: that grew up with me. Everybody wanted to be a player.

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Speaker 4: I wanted to be Frankie Crosetti. Frankie Crossetti was the

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Speaker 4: third base coach for the Yankees that won all them championships.

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Speaker 4: And I said, if I could be a third base

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Speaker 4: coach in the big leagues, that would be you know that,

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Speaker 4: that would be the top of the mountain. And getting

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Speaker 4: the coach for all those years for Jim and you know,

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Speaker 4: for Lloyd McLennan and Grady Little third base and being

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Speaker 4: in the World Series and did I practiced in front

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Speaker 4: of the mirror to see if my wife could get

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Speaker 4: the signs. I told her what the signs were, and

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Speaker 4: then I did them to see if she can catch them.

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Speaker 4: And then but I learned. I learned a whole bunch.

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Speaker 4: And what I would do, Tim, I was always I

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Speaker 4: was always like, well are they going to steal my signs?

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Speaker 4: Because there was a lot of guys around John Vukovich, Uh,

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Speaker 4: Joe Nassik, they could steal signs. What I would do, Tim,

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Speaker 4: if you were the first hitter and Jeff was the

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Speaker 4: second hitter, I'd get you two together and I say,

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Speaker 4: come here, guys, I said, the second pitch, Uh, Jim,

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Speaker 4: Jim or whatever, they want you to hit and run,

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to give you a sign. And so

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Speaker 4: they did the hit and run with no sign or

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Speaker 4: the opposite. I said, here's what I'm going to do, Tim, Jeff,

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Speaker 4: I'm going to give you the hit and run, but

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Speaker 4: it ain't a hit and run. Don't do it. And

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Speaker 4: if they pitch out when I give that sign, then

639
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 4: I know they got him. If they don't pitch out,

640
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 4: I'm giving you the hit and run. Boom boom, hit

641
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 4: and run. If they don't pitch out, they ain't got him.

642
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 4: So you have to find a way. And then the

643
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 4: other thing is I used to practice. Tim. Some guys

644
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 4: when they give a sign, they go real fast or

645
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 4: they go real slow, and Jackie Moore taught me just

646
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 4: go the same every time. And what I would do

647
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 4: when I played against some teams, I would go fast

648
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 4: on purpose to make them think I'm giving a sign.

649
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 4: You know, I go real fast and they pitch out

650
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,439
Speaker 4: and I laugh. I said, I got him, I got him.

651
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 4: But there's an art to it. There's an art to it.

652
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 4: I've talked to my dear friend Tim Flannery. God. We

653
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 4: talked almost every night about positioning where you are what

654
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 4: you have to do, blah blah blah, But there's an

655
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 4: art to it. And anybody who's ever been over there

656
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 4: in a Big League game with sixty thousand people there, wow,

657
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 4: it's a great it's a great rush.

658
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, Rich, you told me that one of the clubhouses

659
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: you were in on the road, you were pretty sure

660
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: it was bugged by the home team, so you took

661
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: your players to different places, not in the clubhouse, to

662
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: go over the signs. Do I have that right?

663
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 4: Absolutely? I would someone. Ray Miller thought that every every

664
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 4: clubhouse was bugged, and he thought that there was a camera,

665
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 4: which there might have been. He thought the concessionaire, he

666
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 4: thought the popcorn guy at the astronom was given the signs.

667
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 4: I mean, so he talked me into it. So when

668
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 4: I give my signs, we'd go out in the outfield,

669
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 4: or or we'd go to Jim's suite in Houston up

670
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 4: at the top twenty third floor. I'd invite the whole

671
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 4: team up there to give my signs. I wasn't going

672
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 4: to do it in the clubhouse, like you said, cameras, microphones,

673
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 4: And after talking with Ray Miller, yeah, Ray thought every

674
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 4: place we went that a concessionaire an usher. He thought

675
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 4: the usher. It's misky Park was or Duck and Miski,

676
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 4: but it wrigularly feel he thought the usher every time

677
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 4: he took his hat off, it was a basketball ball.

678
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, what the heck you know? But

679
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 4: I believed him after a while, so I'd have the

680
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 4: guys come up to my room to get the signs.

681
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 3: So rich. Obviously, another part of being a third base

682
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:42,959
Speaker 3: coach is sending guys home, which I believe in all

683
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 3: of major sports might be one of the most direct influences.

684
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 3: Obviously there's play calling in football and all that stuff,

685
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 3: but I that might be the hardest, most nerve wrecking

686
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 3: job that I never had a chance to do. But

687
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 3: I can't even imagine the pressure would feel sending a

688
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,720
Speaker 3: guy home, especially with a game on the line, especially

689
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 3: in a moment of tents. You know there's a lot

690
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 3: going on, big game, Bottom of the ninth, bottom of

691
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 3: the eighth.

692
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 2: Do you have any stories surrounding sending or not sending

693
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: a guy home.

694
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 4: Well, you know, when you're over there, as many times

695
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 4: as I was, you have some good nights and then

696
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 4: you have some bad nights. And I've had times when

697
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 4: I made the right call, like with two outs in

698
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 4: a base and usually send them the cats her for

699
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 4: the right fielder throws the ball three hundred feet on

700
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 4: top of the plate out and everybody boos you, Well,

701
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 4: you made the right call. Then on the other hand,

702
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 4: I've had a situation where I made a bad call,

703
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 4: a bad call. They had the guy out by ten

704
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 4: feet at home. The catcher dropped the ball and I'm

705
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 4: going to dugout and everybody's going good sending Rich that

706
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 4: was great, and I'm going, oh god, I got I

707
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,439
Speaker 4: lucked out. Every third base coach will say that they've

708
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 4: lucked out at some point, But you try to coach third.

709
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 4: The best advice I forgot. See, when you're in the

710
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 4: minor leagues as a manager, you're managing the team, Jeff,

711
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 4: and you're coaching third. And I remember Jim Ling, and

712
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 4: Jim told me the first year, he said, Rich, don't

713
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 4: go out there and try to manage the game. You

714
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 4: just get the signs and give them because like I'm up,

715
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 4: I'll give you a situation if I could. We're playing

716
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 4: in Cincinnati one night and Brian Fisher had just came

717
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 4: over from the Yankees. He had never hit because they

718
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 4: had dh so we got him over here. He had

719
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 4: never been at the plate in his life. So Rick

720
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 4: Rusher gave him a bat, which we later found out

721
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 4: was courked, but he gave him a bat. And Jim's

722
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 4: in the dugout. Now. Jim's bunt sign was if he

723
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 4: took the Marlborough in the right hand and puffed it

724
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 4: with the right hand. So here comes Fisher up raffee.

725
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 4: Billiard's on first. There's no out. Fish is gonna bunt right.

726
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 4: I'm looking over at Jim. He's sitting there like this,

727
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 4: no cigarette, no Marlborough, no nothing, ball one, and I'm going,

728
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 4: what the heck? And Jim is screaming at Fish. He's screaming,

729
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 4: get the butt down, get the butt down. He looks

730
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 4: at me and he goes, pay attention, wake up, wake up.

731
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 4: And I'm going, what the hell is going on. You

732
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 4: didn't give me no sign, you didn't give me no Marlborough.

733
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 4: I don't know. The next pitch is a fastball. Brian

734
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 4: Fisher hits a two run home run. I walk in

735
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 4: the dugout Jim. Jim is up to me and I'm

736
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 4: like this, you know what happened? He goes, hey, buddy,

737
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 4: we got him, buddy, we got him, We tricked him.

738
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 4: Then we I goes, yeah, you got me too, but yeah,

739
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 4: but that was Jim. He was screaming and Tom Browning.

740
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 4: Tim was the pitcher, so he knew great who he

741
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 4: was going to get a fastball. He's going to take

742
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 4: a chance, fast boom, go ahead and hit. He threw

743
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 4: the ball, boom, home run. So Jim was a genius.

744
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 4: That was such a genius he thought all these things.

745
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 1: Jim told me a story once when he was a

746
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: minor league manager, coaching third, of course, because that's what

747
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: managers did. I think. The guy's name was Kirby Farrell,

748
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: and during the minor league game, he gives him the

749
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: bunt side and Kirby doesn't get it. He gives it

750
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: to him again and Kirby doesn't get it. So Jim

751
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: Leland cups his hands around his mouth and yells to

752
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 1: Kirby Farrell bunt, and Kirby Farrell looks back at him,

753
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: cuffs his hands and says, what I mean, like.

754
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 4: Rich, Jim, there are many there are so many things

755
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 4: that go undering the game. I remember Chuck Kenner taught

756
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 4: me this. Here's the situation. Ah, And Chuck taught me

757
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 4: this in instructional league. He was managing the parts and

758
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 4: we were playing him and I saw him do it

759
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 4: and ask him about it later, and Chuck became a

760
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 4: very good friend. Runners on first and second, Okay, you

761
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 4: tell the hitter bunt the ball to third, walk down

762
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 4: and tell the hitter halfway down, bun itt to third,

763
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 4: bunn Itt to third. Well, what's the defense gonna do nothing?

764
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 4: Third baseman's gonna come in. But we had games where

765
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 4: I would point, bunt the ball right here, bunnet here.

766
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 4: The third baseman will go over at me and go,

767
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 4: are you guys button? I go, yeah, We're gonna bunt

768
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 4: it right to you. Okay, So he moved in. We

769
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 4: butted it right to him. He threw the first we

770
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 4: got the sacrifice, and then he looked over at me

771
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 4: and go, you did you did bunch of third? I go,

772
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 4: I know, we did.

773
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 2: I love this game so much.

774
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 4: So many things that went on in the game during

775
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 4: the game. I can give you one thing. My son

776
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 4: told me to score a story tim the other night.

777
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 4: I never I never knew Rick Roden's pitching for us

778
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 4: one night right and uh Ray Miller goes out and

779
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 4: talks to him. So the next trip, you gotta take

780
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,919
Speaker 4: him out, right, Well, Jim didn't want to take him out,

781
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 4: but they had a pin shooter come up. I think

782
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 4: I don't know who it was. So Bubba, my son

783
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 4: was a bat boy, he said, Bubba, Bubba, Yes, Skip,

784
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 4: He said, get the rosen bag and take it out

785
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 4: the rodent. He said, he got a rosen bag. He said,

786
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 4: go out there, take the rosen bag and tell him

787
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 4: to throw sliders to Sosa. So Bubba picks up the

788
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 4: rosen bag. Bat Boy runs out to the mound and

789
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,240
Speaker 4: Ricky goes, Bubba, what the hell you doing out here?

790
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 4: I got a rosenbag? And Bubba it just quiet. He goes,

791
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 4: Skip says to throw Sosa sliders down the way. Put

792
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 4: back on the dugout. He throwing three sliders, fight three

793
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 4: innings over. Those kinds of things are priceless.

794
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: So it wasn't even a trip to the mound, because I.

795
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 4: Mean, how am I going to communicate it to him?

796
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 4: I sent Bubba out there. Bubba tells a story. He says,

797
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 4: rick Road was screaming at him. Well, but what the

798
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 4: hell you doing out here? He goes, I got a

799
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 4: rosen Beg and Skip says, drove Sasa down on the

800
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 4: way sliders.

801
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. And Jeff Rich told me the story once that

802
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: so many managers are so secretive about things that and

803
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 1: I know this. This has been confirmed that Tony LaRussa

804
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: would occasionally have his trainer, Barry Weinberg, give the steel side.

805
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: And as Rich told me once, he said, yeah, what

806
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 1: Barry pulls out his tongue depressor. It's a steal. Like, yeah,

807
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: looking every night, but no one's looking at the trainer,

808
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: and they'll hit the tunout.

809
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,919
Speaker 4: For fourteen years of Jim Leland, I was the third

810
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 4: base coach. I never had a steel sign. I never

811
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 4: gave a steel sign. I never knew if they were stealing.

812
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 4: The steel would come every night. Every night. Somehow Jim

813
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 4: would get trainer uh Kent bigger staff or Dave Tumbus

814
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 4: or Varshow or backup half fielder. One night he gave

815
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 4: he said Milt Milt May was our hitting coach. He said,

816
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 4: Milt sip beside me, when you cross your arms, that's

817
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 4: a steal. Okay. So we're playing in Pittsburgh. It's April.

818
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 4: It's freezing out. One night and Tom Prince the slowest guy.

819
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 4: We used to time him with a calendar. He was

820
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 4: so slow. He gets on first base. He gets on

821
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 4: first base and there's two outs. Man. Prince looks in.

822
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 4: He's looking for Milt, and Milt looks over at Jim.

823
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 4: He goes, it's freezing in here.

824
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: Like that.

825
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 4: When he crossed his arms, Prince he took off. Jim goes,

826
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 4: what the hell's going on? They threw it in the

827
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 4: center field. He goes the third and Jim was He said,

828
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 4: what the hell you and Princey came in. He goes, Princey,

829
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 4: what are you doing? What do you do? He said, well,

830
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 4: he crossed his arms, and then he goes, milk, did

831
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 4: you cross your arms? He said, well, yeah, it was cold.

832
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 4: But Jim used to in his steel. Yeah, if Biggie,

833
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 4: one night, you're right with a tongue depresser. Then the

834
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 4: next night he told Dave Tumbus, our assistant trainer, if

835
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 4: you if you bring that can or freeze out, sit

836
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 4: by me, and if you bring it out, that's the steal.

837
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 4: And he'd tell the runner look at Rich for the

838
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 4: hit and run. That's the only sign you're gonna get.

839
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 4: And then glance in for me. Don't stare at me,

840
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 4: just glance in. Jim gave all his steals from the dugout,

841
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 4: every single one of them. But he gave it to

842
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 4: a different guy every night. A trainer, Warren sip our

843
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 4: strength coach. He gave it to him one night. You know,

844
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 4: he said, Warren, if you if you wipe your face

845
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 4: like that, that's the steal. So don't do it unless

846
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 4: I give it to you. I mean, it was unbelievable.

847
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 4: It was fun, It was fun.

848
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: Rich. Some guys must have been great at getting the

849
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: signs and others with others. You had to be. You

850
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: can't make it too complicated otherwise they're not gonna understand

851
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: it correct.

852
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 4: Absolutely. We used to go and if you talk to

853
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 4: different coaches, we used to go to clap system. All

854
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 4: these signs. Nothing. I may give him a sign. They

855
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 4: don't even know them. I get, well, one clap is

856
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 4: a bun and then we go boo boo, boom boom.

857
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 4: Two claps is a hit and run. Or if I'm

858
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 4: walking and I'm giving signs, nothing's on. So if I'm

859
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 4: walking towards you and I'm giving you the signs, whatever,

860
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 4: nothing's on. If I'm still that's when the sign's on.

861
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 4: So you find all different ways to do it, you know.

862
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 4: But some guys just can't get them. They just can't

863
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 4: get him. But what I used to do, Tim, I

864
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 4: started this when I was with Seattle, and I think

865
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 4: coaches should do this. I kept a notebook and say

866
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 4: I had you and Jeff. If I get say it's

867
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 4: a Monday, if I didn't give you or Jeff a sign,

868
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,240
Speaker 4: I have a little graph and I'd go in your box.

869
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 4: I didn't give you a sign Tuesday, I didn't give

870
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 4: you a sign another X. If I go four days,

871
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 4: I'd go up to that guy, Hey, Jeff, what's the

872
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 4: hit and run? Uh No, that's the bunch, Jeff. So

873
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 4: if I didn't give a sign in four days, I

874
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 4: would review to see if they knew it, because I

875
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 4: don't want to go six days. Didn't give you the

876
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 4: bunt and you look at me like I got six hids.

877
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 4: So I started keeping a track of how many times

878
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 4: I gave you the sign. Some guys never got a sign.

879
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 4: Robbie Cano to this day, if I call him, I said, Robbie,

880
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 4: I got a check for a million dollars. Tell me

881
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 4: what the hit and run. Was got no idea because

882
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 4: I never gave it to him. He never gave it

883
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 4: to him, never ever. But how about this one Tim

884
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 4: Barry Bonds. Barry would tell me, he said, give give me,

885
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 4: give me signs even though they're fake, because I might

886
00:47:58,080 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 4: get a pitch out. Now I get to one an

887
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 4: o cow. Barry was pretty smart. He said, give me

888
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 4: the signs. They may pitch out on me on as

889
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 4: a hitter, and I, you know, and I may I

890
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 4: may get a one an o count.

891
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: Right. Barry wasn't just really smart rich, especially in Pittsburgh,

892
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 1: he was. He was great. What was it like being

893
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: on the same team as a young up and coming

894
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: Barry Bonds.

895
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 4: Well, when he first came up, he had struggled and

896
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 4: if you look at his numbers, he had two two

897
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 4: twenty nine his first year. Jim had him leading off

898
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 4: when he came up. Jim thought, here's a bass stealer

899
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 4: who has occasional power. Well, he struggled three one pitches

900
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 4: to him. He was following him late over third base.

901
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 4: So Jim said to hepathetic, He said, he's not a

902
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 4: lead officer. I'm dropping him down to three. Who gets

903
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 4: dropped down to three. The greatest thayer we've ever seen.

904
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 4: He gets dropped down to three and boom. He took

905
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 4: off from there, but he struggled. But here's here's the

906
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 4: thing about Barry. I tell the stories all the time.

907
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 4: Most most times, he took about three swings of batting practice.

908
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 4: He went in and took a nap on a couch.

909
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 4: Every night he took a nap, and he woke up,

910
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 4: like five minutes of the game. He'd walk out, throw

911
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 4: his glove on the thing. He goes, Hey, who'll be

912
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 4: playing to night? And we go we're playing the Cubs.

913
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 4: He goes, who's pitching. We go, uh, I don't know, Traxel.

914
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 4: He goes, I'll kill him, no problem, and he would.

915
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 4: Then he would. So one night, one night, Gerry varshow versus,

916
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what he says. When Bonzie takes that

917
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 4: nap before the game. We'll get our clubhouse guy, Red Red,

918
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:39,919
Speaker 4: you go up and you change the clock till game time,

919
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 4: and then everybody's going to leave the clophouse and Barry'll

920
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 4: be sleep and you wake him up. So one night,

921
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 4: here's Barry snoring like hell, okay, we have an hour

922
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 4: before game time. Red climbs on the ladder. He changes

923
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 4: the clock till twenty eight. After games is seven point thirty.

924
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 4: Everybody goes out of the clophouse in the hallway. Red goes, hey,

925
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 4: mister Bonds, Hey, mister Bonds, you want to get up,

926
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 4: and very goot and goes, oh my god, Oh my god,

927
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 4: oh my god. He runs over. He puts his uniform

928
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 4: on backwards. He runs out of the hallway. The whole

929
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 4: team's out there, and oh, man, was he hot. But

930
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 4: but in a strange way, he liked it because now

931
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 4: he was one of the guys. They were playing a

932
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 4: trick on him. He was one of the guys. But

933
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,879
Speaker 4: this guy without a whole lot of practice. And then

934
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 4: he tell you what he's going to do. He hit

935
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 4: numerous home runs off Lee Smith and he would tell

936
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 4: in a dugout, he says, Richie, go tell. He says,

937
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 4: if you see Gracie running out, can you tell Gracie

938
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 4: to tell Smithy. He throws me one more slider. I'm

939
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 4: going to hit it in the third deck. He threw

940
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 4: a slider and he hit it. That's how good he was.

941
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 4: He did it all the time.

942
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: He was he was he was amazing. Wrench. You You've

943
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: been around so many good players, so many good hitters.

944
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: I mean, you were with Larry Walker in Colorado. I mean,

945
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: how lucky have you been? Rich to be with as

946
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: many teams as you've been with, and see this many

947
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: great players over the years.

948
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 4: Well, I tell people this all the time. I've had

949
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 4: a less life in baseball. Ah. And I got to

950
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,760
Speaker 4: meet guys like Don Zimmer. I got to meet guys

951
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 4: like Joe Torri, not only meet him, know them. I

952
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 4: got to be dear friends with my idol, Bill Mazerowski,

953
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 4: Bill Verden. I tell people tim my baseball cards. When

954
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 4: I was little, I played with him every day. I

955
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 4: played a game every day, every day. My baseball cards

956
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 4: became alive. I got to be dear friends. I used

957
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 4: to go to the racetrack with Don Zimmer or the

958
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 4: casino with Don Zimmer where Joe Tory. I go all

959
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 4: these guys and then all these great players, you know, Bonds,

960
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 4: Larry Walker. I mean, I'm go on and on, Todd Helton,

961
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 4: you know, Chico Lynn, all the guys we had in Pittsburgh,

962
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 4: just great, great players. And I'm just so blessed. I mean,

963
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 4: I stand out. I used to stand out. And remember

964
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 4: when I coached with the Dodgers and we had great

965
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 4: teams out there, we got no more. And you know JD.

966
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 4: Drew and Greg Maddocks. Greg Maddox I coached him, and

967
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 4: we're out. I didn't coach him, but I was on

968
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 4: the staff and I just pitched myself. I said, I

969
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 4: can't believe this. Here, I am from Langley Avenue, Steunville, Ohio.

970
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 4: I used to go out in the yard and hit

971
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 4: rocks all day long and pretend I was in the

972
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 4: ninth inning of the World Series. And then all of

973
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 4: a sudden, you are, you are, and you can't believe it.

974
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 4: You can't even breathe. And then the Texas Rangers, all

975
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 4: the great all the great stories about those teams, Mickey Rivers,

976
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 4: Buddy Bell Up, all the way through pat Corrals, Uh,

977
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 4: the great Eddie Chowles, the owner. The whole thing about

978
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 4: Texas was so convoluted, all the all the goofy players.

979
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 4: Sparky Loud became my best friend. Sparky Lou Are you

980
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,479
Speaker 4: kidding me? He knows me. I can call him right now.

981
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 4: He knows me, Sparky. I admired him for ten years.

982
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,399
Speaker 4: I'm sitting with him every night, every night, and he's

983
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 4: my buddy. Are you kidding me? I mean, I'm from Superville.

984
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 4: I wasn't number one draft pick, I didn't hit six

985
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 4: hundred home runs. And I'm a best friend with my

986
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 4: room with Charlie Pride. You know that I roomed with

987
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 4: a finger. I threw batting practice to Brent Musburger, to

988
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 4: Mary Olamu, to the Group of Alabama. Are you to

989
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 4: meet Loaf at the World I threw batting practice to

990
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 4: meet Loaf? Me? I mean, are you? I said, I'm

991
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 4: so blessed. I can't even believe it. You can't make

992
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 4: and half the stuff I tell you, guys, I haven't

993
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 4: told the other half. Like all these stories I'm telling you,

994
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 4: I haven't told hardly anybody because I said, who cares me?

995
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 4: You guys no baseball and you appreciate it. But but

996
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 4: I mean the time we had in Texas with Eddie

997
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 4: Chowles and all that stuff, and three managers in one night,

998
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 4: remember three? Yes, I worked with Billy Martin. Billy Martin,

999
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,919
Speaker 4: he gave me his car for the winner. Here drive

1000
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 4: my car, Billy Martin. One night, Tim, I told you

1001
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 4: I got one more story. About Billy. I coached Mike

1002
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 4: Cargrove or managed him in a ball. He goes to

1003
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 4: spring training and Billy says, Rich, I think I'm taking

1004
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 4: him the big leagues. What am I going to say?

1005
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 4: I went here, you are Wow, You're taking him from

1006
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 4: low eight to the big leagues. Yeah, he was rookie

1007
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 4: of the Year. So I go home in September, I

1008
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 4: was I was managing of my leagues. Tim. This is

1009
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 4: a true story. I'm sitting up in a press box

1010
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,879
Speaker 4: with the GM Eddie Robinson. They're playing the Oakland A's

1011
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 4: and we're closing in on him. We're about three games out,

1012
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 4: the great Oakland A's that won three in a row. Well,

1013
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 4: Hartgrove comes up against Darryl Knowles the eighth inning and

1014
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 4: they had a pitching change. So he's coming in and

1015
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 4: the phone rings in a press box and it's for me.

1016
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 4: I'm thinking it's my wife calling something's wrong at home.

1017
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 4: It's Art Fowler from the Dugout. He go, Richies, hey boy,

1018
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,240
Speaker 4: he said, Billy wants to know if Hargrove can bunt.

1019
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 4: And I now, Hargrove ain't bunted since he was ten

1020
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 4: years old. And I go Oh yeah, he's a hell

1021
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 4: of a butner, great butter. The next the first pitch,

1022
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 4: Darryl Nose throws squeeze play. He gets it down. Billy

1023
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 4: looks up at a press box and give me a

1024
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 4: thumbs up. And that from that moment on, I was

1025
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 4: his man, Billy Martin. Billy Martin was my man. I

1026
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 4: was his man. Are you nuts? It don't happen? It

1027
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 4: can't happen. It did.

1028
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: Rich one of the great baseball lives ever. So we're

1029
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: gonna we can do this all afternoon, Rich, But let's

1030
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: go back to batting practice pitching again because you're the

1031
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,800
Speaker 1: best ever. And we're going to the home run derby.

1032
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 1: Just tell us who's the worst batting practice pitcher you've

1033
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 1: ever seen?

1034
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 4: Oh that's easy. Uh Tommy Sant Remember Tommy Santon, Tommy

1035
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 4: sans Well, Tommy Sant. Jim gave him a nickname, Lucky Strike.

1036
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 4: He was lucky. Tommy tried but he could, he just couldn't.

1037
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 4: And Tommy was a great player for the Oakland A's.

1038
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 4: He was a great player. He's the one that discovered,

1039
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 4: uh what the clubhouse guy that became a rap singer,

1040
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 4: You know what I mean? Uh, oh jeez. In Oakland

1041
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 4: Hammer MC Hammer Hammer was Tommy Sant's best friend, and

1042
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 4: Tommy was Hammer's best friend. He shined his shoes every day,

1043
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 4: but Tommy couldn't throw, couldn't throw.

1044
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: He and Jeff Rich told me the story that John Candelosi,

1045
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: who was about your height, great guy, good player, but

1046
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 1: he took a lot of pitches. He took a lot

1047
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 1: of pitches in BP. He took a lot of pitches

1048
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: in the game. And Rich tell the story about when

1049
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: Tommy said it through batting practice to John Candialosi.

1050
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 4: What happened, Well, I'm not sure. I'm not sure what

1051
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 4: the ending was, but he probably walked out because he

1052
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 4: didn't throw them strike. I know that.

1053
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: Well, here's the story you told me. You said, Tommy

1054
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 1: threw to John Candlosi. He took thirty pitches in a row,

1055
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: and they called it to day he didn't swing. What Yeah,

1056
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: because Tommy couldn't throw it over and Candilosi.

1057
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 4: Was gonna swing anyway. Well, kids, you didn't want to

1058
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 4: walk out after five pitches. So and then they asked Jenjie,

1059
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 4: why was he touching on good on bass guy? He said,

1060
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:00,080
Speaker 4: I had a lot of practice taking pictures from Tommy

1061
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 4: because Tommy, the greatest guy in the world, great infielder,

1062
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 4: great player, could not throw a strike from the mound.

1063
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 4: He had to. You know, some guys have the you know,

1064
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 4: they can't throw. Steve Sachs, Mackie Sasser, they just can't

1065
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 4: throw the ball sixty feet. They could throw it one

1066
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 4: hundred feet, can't throw it sixty And Tommy just couldn't throw.

1067
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 4: He's the only coach, he said, he's proud of this.

1068
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 4: He said, he's the only coach to coach twenty years

1069
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 4: in the big leagues that never threw one day about

1070
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 4: him practice a lucky strike. That's what Jim called him,

1071
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 4: lucky strike.

1072
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 2: Amazing.

1073
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 3: Rich, I have to ask and I have to bring

1074
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 3: up those days with the Rangers, because if I have

1075
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 3: this correct, that did did he coach your basketball team?

1076
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: Yes, Rich, we had a Rangers basketball team that originally

1077
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: started with some of the like coaches, like Tom Greeb

1078
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: was on the team the first Tom Greeb was like

1079
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 1: the farm director and he was on our basketball team.

1080
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna Rich is gonna tell the rest of

1081
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,439
Speaker 1: the story. But we we lose the championship game one

1082
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: year and Rich the next year, is so angry that

1083
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: we lost that he goes out and gets Reggie and

1084
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 1: Charles from another team two ringers, and gets him on

1085
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 1: our team so we can win the championship. And we

1086
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: ended up doing that. But go ahead, Rich, tell Jeff

1087
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: the story about the championship.

1088
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 4: I got mad that we lost because we had big

1089
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 4: league players, that we got beat by a bunch of

1090
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 4: you who's in the city league. So I said, we're

1091
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 4: gonna We're gonna load up. We're going we're getting some

1092
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 4: nil money. So I get these two, these two brothers

1093
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 4: about six seven who played at West Texas State, Charlie

1094
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 4: and James, And I said, listen, James, if anybody asked you,

1095
00:59:54,640 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 4: you played right field at Gastonia, So anybody asked you

1096
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:05,439
Speaker 4: you played shortstop at Indianapolis or whatever, you are minor

1097
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:08,479
Speaker 4: league players. They never picked up a baseball in their life,

1098
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 4: like Jim said, they were ringers. So we went and

1099
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 4: now we're in there, we're playing, and we're beating everybody.

1100
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 4: In fact, our ranger team one year we used to

1101
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 4: go on the road in the winter, not in the tournament.

1102
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 4: We were eighty two, and oh we beat everybody. We

1103
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 4: went down the walks of hatch. He beat everybody. We

1104
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 4: had good player, Mike Harrove, Larry Bittner. You know. So anyway,

1105
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 4: now comes to the championship game and they had a

1106
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 4: rule if you're down by thirty, had second half running clock.

1107
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 4: Well one night we're out there, your dad's on the

1108
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 4: team and Larry Bittner and we're just getting our butts waxed.

1109
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 4: And I'm like the player coach and I said, you know,

1110
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 4: the guys at halftime, I said, Tim, here's what we're

1111
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 4: gonna do. It's a running clock. Every time you get

1112
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 4: the ball, shoot every time. Don't you dare pass? You

1113
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 4: are best shooter. Shoots him threes. Try to get us

1114
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 4: back in the game. Well, lo and behold, he goes

1115
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 4: out there. I don't think he missed second half and

1116
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 4: he gets down and all I can say is he

1117
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 4: hit the winner but about five seconds ago. And we

1118
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 4: won the Arlington City Championship. That was better than any

1119
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 4: World Series that I've ever been in.

1120
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: Well, I am not going to follow that, but let

1121
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: me just tell you what happened at the end. Jeb Charles,

1122
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: one of the ringers, is the guy where Rich sets

1123
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 1: up to play, and he says, get the ball to Charles,

1124
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,439
Speaker 1: get out of his way, and we're gonna win this game.

1125
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 1: So ball comes into me. I pass it to Charles

1126
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 1: and he throws it right back to me like immediately,

1127
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 1: like I.

1128
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 4: Don't want it.

1129
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: So now I have a choice, So I shake my

1130
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 1: guy once, I make a three at the gun and

1131
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: we win. We got into Charles, he threw it right

1132
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 1: back to me.

1133
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 4: It was hey, hey, Jeff, we have so much fun

1134
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 4: in a way her At one time we had there

1135
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:06,479
Speaker 4: was a guy, a car dealer there in Arlington at

1136
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 4: Lowry and at had a like a Winnebago. He put

1137
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 4: the whole team into Winnebago. We go to Waxahatchie Mansfield

1138
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 4: and we play like the coaches, the high school coaches.

1139
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 4: For charity. We went to Waksahtchie. We had twenty seven

1140
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 4: hundred people, and we went over to TCU and we

1141
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 4: had like eight thousand people and we played Derek coaches.

1142
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 4: But the basketball players, your dad was the best player.

1143
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 4: I'm telling you not because this year he was the

1144
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 4: best player. We had. Larry Bittner, Mike Hargrove, Toby Harri

1145
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 4: was the heck of a player. But these guys. Nowadays

1146
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 4: you can't do it. They won't let you do it

1147
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 4: because you're afraid to get hurt. But if we had

1148
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 4: so much fun doing it. The Texas Rangers are coming

1149
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 4: to Mansfield, Texas. The gym was packed. They give autographs,

1150
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 4: blah blah blah. And I told him, I said, look,

1151
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 4: you guys make the money for your booster club. You

1152
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 4: give each one of them back. Now, this is back

1153
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 4: in the eighties. Give each one of my player hundred bucks.

1154
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 4: They were all in every night. They were calling me, Hey, Rich,

1155
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 4: we've got a game of night. Hey Rich, we've got

1156
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 4: a game of night. I think we scheduled eighty two games.

1157
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 4: We played, more than the NBA. It was unbelievable. It

1158
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 4: was so much fun.

1159
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 1: All right, Rich, again, we could be here all day.

1160
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:23,439
Speaker 1: Let's just finish though. We had so much fun today, Rich,

1161
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: isn't baseball supposed to be fun? Isn't it the fun

1162
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: that has carried you from your playing days through cussing

1163
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 1: out Ted Williams managing at twenty four and all the

1164
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 1: VP threw.

1165
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 4: Wasn't it all about the fun? People don't understand it.

1166
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 4: You have to do it, and you have to have

1167
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 4: fun in baseball because there's so much downtime. You're in

1168
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 4: the dugout, you're in the clubhouse, you're always talking. And

1169
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 4: I can't believe any other sport. Basketball's fast movements over

1170
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 4: games over, Football's rough, bang bang bang games over, and

1171
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 4: you're playing once a week. Baseball you're playing every day.

1172
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,440
Speaker 4: You're with the same bunch. You're with like when you

1173
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 4: were there with Randy Galloway and all the guy You're

1174
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 4: with the same group for two hundred days, probably fifteen

1175
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 4: hours a day. They become your family. You do practical jokes.

1176
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 4: We used to do practical jokes on a road. We

1177
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 4: cut guy's pants on getaway. Dacily ain't got no pants.

1178
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 4: I mean, you don't hear about that stuff. Baseball. The

1179
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 4: funniest characters of all time were in baseball, and we

1180
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 4: were lucky enough to have most of them on our

1181
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 4: team or on the opposing teams. From Doug Raider to

1182
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 4: Mickey Rivers to Billy Martin. Forever you could there were characters.

1183
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 4: They don't have as many anymore. I don't think tim

1184
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 4: and probably never will.

1185
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a shame, but Rich, we're so happy to

1186
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 1: have you on today, especially with the homebrun Derby coming up, Jeff,

1187
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 1: how about my friend rich Dolly. I told you he's

1188
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: the greatest storyteller ever. It's so good.

1189
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 2: Absolutely well.

1190
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 4: I enjoyed it. I love telling the stories to you, guys.

1191
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 4: I like especially Jeff with your dad, because he was

1192
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 4: there for all these so called lies. I tell Reno.

1193
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 4: Reno is the winningest coach in the state of Ohio.

1194
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 4: And he said just about me, he says, Rich, never

1195
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 4: lets al, never lets lets a lie get in the

1196
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 4: way of a good story. They're not lies. It happened.

1197
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 4: It happened.

1198
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 1: It happened, and you're right, and I was there for

1199
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 1: a bunch of them. Rich. Well, we will see you soon.

1200
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 1: But thank you so much for enjoying it.

1201
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 4: Guys, I enjoyed it. Thank you.