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Speaker 2: busy saturday. Indeed, by the way, you've been watching MLB

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Speaker 2: in London as the Cubs destroyed the Cardinals today.

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Speaker 1: Boy, the Cardinals suck the share. Okay, yeah, forgive me

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Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. How long has Drek Gitter been on

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Speaker 1: this show? Is he a new guy on the show.

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Speaker 2: He's a new guy after he sold off his interest

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Speaker 2: in the Marlins.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so he's a regular. So this isn't a guest appearance.

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Speaker 1: So this is what he does.

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Speaker 2: Now, I believe so, Although who is missing? Right Thomas?

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Speaker 2: Frank Thomas is missing? I don't know if Frank Thomas

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Speaker 2: was replaced? I don't know. Maybe kfig knows the answer

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Speaker 2: to this. He does, Can you turn on k figs

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Speaker 2: Kevin figures? Has he replaced Frank Thomas.

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Speaker 3: Frank Thomas is out, completely out and dry Jeter did

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Speaker 3: take his take his spot full time.

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Speaker 2: So Frank Thomas is just doing full time workout now

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Speaker 2: with the estosteronestosterone commercials and infomercials.

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Speaker 3: That's his gig. And now Jeter is a most part

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Speaker 3: of MLB on Fox's coverage.

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, So Dontrea Willis is also out on some

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Speaker 1: of the stuff. That's why he's with the Dodgers.

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Speaker 3: So Dontrell is doing work with the Dodgers locally, but

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Speaker 3: he's still doing work for Fox as well.

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, So.

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Speaker 2: Dodgers or they actually have a lot of people to

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Speaker 2: work there, they do. I mean they hired like a

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Speaker 1: And some of them weren't Dodgers because Doctre Willis wasn't

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Speaker 1: a Dodge. Correct, No, one of the great Dodgors. Is

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Speaker 1: that weird? Is that weird? Is that weird? Steve, Like

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Speaker 1: you're l a guy, You're guys that is that weird too?

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Speaker 2: So much, I think Dontrell does a pretty good job.

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Speaker 2: I'm not talking about connection. No, he has absolutely zero connection.

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Speaker 2: Does it bother me? When you consider how many former Dodgers.

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Speaker 2: Look you have Earl hirst Eizer. No Mar is a

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Speaker 2: bit of a reach, let's face, but.

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Speaker 1: For the Dodgers.

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Speaker 2: But I mean I think of No Mar as a

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Speaker 1: He played there though, yeah he did, so would you

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Speaker 1: be mad like I'm a tar heel. Yes, And I

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Speaker 1: just decided I want to do some radio for UCLA

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Speaker 1: and I'm talking about Al Bruins. Here we go, our Bruins.

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Speaker 1: A clap. Let's a clap.

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Speaker 2: Cockpack clack, tap clap, like oh no, no, this happened

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Speaker 2: to me. This actually happened to me. I was on

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Speaker 2: replaced by someone that had no connection not only do

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Speaker 2: By the way, he's a friend of mine, so it

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I would. I think.

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Speaker 2: I think if you're just saying, if you're a hardcore

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Speaker 2: speaking of great Dodgers Hall of fame Dodger Don Sutton,

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Speaker 2: And he's never pitched for the Braves, pitched with the Brewers.

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Speaker 1: You're a Hall of Favor, doesn't that change things?

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Speaker 2: Though, I would say Frank Thomas with cheater ya.

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Speaker 1: I'm just thinking from a local thing. When I thought about,

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Speaker 2: Can I give you a little side stories? Two thousand

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Speaker 2: Who the man was in the room, it wasn't even close.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't sound nice. He's going for one that makes him

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Speaker 3: And by the way, to clarify, because Steve, you were

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, So they were teammates, but in this room

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Speaker 2: there was a clear difference between Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez.

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Speaker 2: So Jeter is in an incredible suit. I don't know

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Speaker 2: So there is Jeter and he was on the phone.

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Speaker 2: Now at that point you're probably thinking a Rod is

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Speaker 1: Something about the captain. The captain has always been able

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Speaker 2: now part of this national How do you feel about

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Speaker 2: Major League Baseball in London? Is that necessary? I mean

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Speaker 2: we talk about this a lot, Bucky, with the NFL

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Speaker 2: the National Football League. Is this really necessary?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? No, we got to see it.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: You want to expand, you want to expand, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Japan. I mean we had games in

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Speaker 2: Japan obviously, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean you could have done a few other spots

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Speaker 2: Play cricket in London, I mean, is on that sort

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Speaker 2: the field look beautiful absolutely today. We got a lot

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Speaker 2: We have plenty of NFL news to get to. One thing.

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Speaker 2: I will say, Bucky that at the beginning here, So

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Speaker 2: Wembin Yama, victor young Win Binyana, forget that, now Wemby Wemby.

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Speaker 2: It's like gianis Anto compo, right, everyone calls them the

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Speaker 2: Greek freak or Yannis, but now it's Wimby because that's

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Speaker 2: where I'm seeing everybody when Banyama is not what anyone's

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Speaker 2: good with you? Sam?

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Speaker 4: Wimby that's fine. I think that's an endearing nickname. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Yannis's last name, the pronunciation of it on Tantakumpo. It

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Speaker 2: But most people pass it over. They may say it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I never said, I just say yanis, right.

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Speaker 4: Imagine being a play by play guy doing Bucks games,

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Speaker 4: You're just gonna say yanis.

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Speaker 2: And the same thing with Wemba Yama. Yeah, Wimby, just

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Speaker 2: go go Wimby. Let's talk about him for a second here, Bucky.

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Speaker 2: First of all, we're getting a variation of stories of

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Speaker 2: actually how tall he is. So apparently in socks he's

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Speaker 2: just seem to use the bigger number, and they say,

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Speaker 2: we never seen anything like this guy, And I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I've seen someone like him who almost identical to him

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Speaker 2: in appearance, and everything else, and that's Ralph Sampson. Ralph

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Speaker 2: Sampson was seven to four. He was ahead of his

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Speaker 2: his time. So the idea that we've never seen anything

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Speaker 2: remember Ralph Sampson, who played four years of Virginia, three

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Speaker 2: tell me we've never seen anything like Wimby before, because

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Speaker 2: we have. Do you like the idea of a seven

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's he any different than Juelan being in

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Speaker 2: Heard you with Jonas there. He he's almost mocking you.

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Speaker 1: Par for the course. It's okay, it's all right.

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Speaker 2: Wander Franco back in the lineup for Tampa Bay.

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Speaker 3: He was benched earlier this week for a couple of

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Speaker 3: games for disciplinary reasons. He just went deep to give

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Speaker 3: the Raise a two to nothing lead in the first inning.

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Speaker 3: Starling Marte is fourth home runner the season, giving the

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Speaker 3: Mets a one nothing lead over Philadelphia.

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Speaker 1: You can watch that game on FS one.

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Speaker 2: Yankees and Rangers scoreless in the first.

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Speaker 3: Aaron Judge out indefinitely after we revealed that his toe

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Speaker 3: injury actually a torn ligament and not a sprain, which

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Speaker 3: is what was initially reported. Cubs hammert the Cardinals in

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Speaker 3: the first of two games in London by the score

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Speaker 3: of nine to one. Tonight at seven eastern on Fox.

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Speaker 3: It'll be the Dodgers hosting the Astros. Also tonight at

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Speaker 3: seven eastern, Game one of the College World Series between

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Speaker 3: LSU and Florida from Omaha. That will be the final

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Speaker 3: soccer Tonight on FS one feature the Startup group play

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Speaker 3: in the Gold Cup. The United States would take on

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Speaker 3: Jamaica at nine thirty Eastern at Soldier Field in Chicago.

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Speaker 3: And golf, third round of the Travelers Championship. Chez rev

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Speaker 3: has a one stroke lead over Keegan Bradley. They are

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Speaker 3: both through twelve holes. Ricky Fowler eagle at six. He

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Speaker 3: has stormed back to four strokes off the lead back

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Speaker 3: to Stephen Bucky.

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Speaker 2: All right, k FAG, we'll talk to you a little

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Speaker 2: bit later on Once again, we are Comedy Alive. From

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Speaker 2: the Tyraq dot com studio. So a lot of news

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Speaker 2: out of the NBA, which is good for us because

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Speaker 2: we can start really looking to the future. So the

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Speaker 2: Nuggets now are they've set the bar. Miss is a

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Speaker 2: team that went sixteen and four in the playoffs. They

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Speaker 2: really didn't have a lot of resistance in the postseason.

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Speaker 2: So there's the bar. So that's the team to beat,

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Speaker 2: the Denver Nuggets. So let's start with the Phoenix Suns

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Speaker 2: and the Bradley Beal deal. When that deal, first of all,

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Speaker 2: when they were talking about Beal was on the block

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Speaker 2: and I'm looking at the terms of his contract where

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Speaker 2: he has three years remaining plus a player option, and

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Speaker 2: we talked about this last week. It was like fifty

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Speaker 2: seven million dollars the last year of this deal. Bradley

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Speaker 2: Beal is a player I like. But putting up numbers

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Speaker 2: with the Wizards doesn't really count it. Remember DeMarcus Cousins

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Speaker 2: used to put up big numbers with the sack Kings.

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Speaker 1: Boogie Boogie was nice though.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, but when we talk about numbers that don't

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Speaker 2: translate into wins, there's another way to term It's called

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Speaker 2: empty numbers. When Bradley Beal was averaging thirty points plus

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Speaker 2: for consecutive years last couple of years down to twenty three. Hey,

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Speaker 2: that's great. It's not to say that guy doesn't have

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Speaker 2: some mad skills. And I like Bradley Beal the person

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Speaker 2: as well, but it's not translating into victories. So let's talk.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about the Phoenix sens. And I get it.

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Speaker 2: You have a new owner and he's trying to put

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Speaker 2: his stamp on his team. You fired Monty Williams to

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Speaker 2: bring in Frank Vogel, Kevin Durant, You have Devin Booker,

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Speaker 2: and you have Bradley Beal, and he got eight. Although

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Speaker 2: I think some of the dynamics of the numbers don't

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Speaker 2: quite add up yet. I still think they're gonna have

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Speaker 2: to do a little maneuvering. But the last time I checked,

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Speaker 2: when you have three scorers like Durant, Booker and Beale,

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Speaker 2: there's only one basketball on the court. So how's that

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Speaker 2: dynamic gonna work?

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Speaker 1: He's third in the pecking order. Kevin Durant shoots.

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Speaker 2: You're paying fifty million a year for order.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that they decided to do that, Like,

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't understand it. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: it closes the gap on the competition when it comes to, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we got another guard. I still need defense, right, you

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Speaker 1: need I would say what they needed is what they

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Speaker 1: gave up to get Kevin Garten, Kevin Durant, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I would say that they would have been better served

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Speaker 1: to pick up I would say three B level players

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Speaker 1: that could add to the depth. I mean, much like

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Speaker 1: they gave up Cam Johnson, Mikail Michael Bridges, m M yeah,

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Speaker 1: Like I mean they needed more of those players, glue

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Speaker 1: glut glue guys as opposed to another star player that

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Speaker 1: could command a bunch of shots.

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Speaker 2: Frank Vogel's rep as a coach going back to his

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Speaker 2: Pacer days before he went to the Lakers defense. So

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Speaker 2: let's let's talk about the the whole things that Durant, Beal,

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Speaker 2: and Booker have been on the All NBA defensive teams.

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Speaker 2: I could count that on well, no hands, Okay. So

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to I'm trying to see this in training

515
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Speaker 2: camp and Frank Vogel is screaming at Durant, Booker and Beale,

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Speaker 2: you got to shut down the other guy. And they're

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Speaker 2: looking him like, come on coach, what I do, That's

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Speaker 2: not what I do, right, My my job is So

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Speaker 2: they're going to go with will outscore them because they

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Speaker 2: you know, they they won more games against the Nuggets,

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Speaker 2: and a of their team did this postseason, won two

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Speaker 2: games at least.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: So then on the other end of that deal, of course,

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Speaker 2: was Chris Paul, who got dealt to the Wizards. We

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Speaker 2: knew he wasn't going to stay there because.

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Speaker 1: It was a surprised to him. Did he got trade?

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Speaker 1: He didn't know, Well, he was surprised.

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Speaker 2: It was a surprise that he got dealt there, but

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Speaker 2: it was even a bigger surprise that they were able

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Speaker 2: to deal him, Like who wants Chris Paul? A thirty

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Speaker 2: eight year old Chris Paul. And of all teams, they

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Speaker 2: figured out the one team that was desperate to unload

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Speaker 2: a contract. Because remember Jordan Poole's contract extension, the big

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Speaker 2: money doesn't start until this season. So it only took

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Speaker 2: one year for the Warriors to realize we made a

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Speaker 2: major mistake given all that money to Jordan Poole. So

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Speaker 2: we bring in Chris Paul for a year, dump his salary,

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Speaker 2: and then we can start over again. Is he going

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Speaker 2: to be coming off the bench. What is that, Chris Paul.

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Speaker 2: Can you think of a worst fit for his game

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Speaker 2: than the Golden State Warriors?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 7: What?

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Speaker 1: Look, I don't think he had a major I think

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Speaker 1: the decision came to between going to Golden State and

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Speaker 1: going to Washington. I think it was easy for him

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Speaker 1: to go to Golden State because they're gonna win. Washington

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Speaker 1: not even close to get anything. The only thing he

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Speaker 1: would have done it was brought him closer to where

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Speaker 1: he grew up in Winston Salem, North Carolina. But outside

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Speaker 1: of that, I don't really see the benefits going to

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Speaker 1: the Warriors. Yes, he has to get out of his

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Speaker 1: comfort zone because he will not be able to start

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Speaker 1: because you're not gonna move Steph Clay Wiggins. Not move

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Speaker 1: one of those guys to the bench.

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Speaker 2: He's a ball dominant point guard.

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Speaker 1: So here, here's what you would have to if you're

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Speaker 1: Steve Kurr, what you pitched to him is you get

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Speaker 1: to do what Cale Lowery did for the Miami Heat.

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Speaker 1: You get to be the captain of the second team.

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Speaker 1: You get all the young guys. When you come into

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Speaker 1: the game in the second quarter, we will tweak our thing.

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Speaker 1: We become more ball center. You do your thing, get

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Speaker 1: the young guys going, and then you come out. At

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Speaker 1: this stage of his career, he's not a four time

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Speaker 1: start anymore. We see his body break down, and so

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Speaker 1: maybe they can keep him in bubble wrap for the

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Speaker 1: regular season and then use him as needed in the postseason.

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Speaker 1: But that's the only role I can imagine I'm playing.

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine him fighting that. What is he going

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Speaker 1: to say?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but we don't when a lot of times, well,

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Speaker 2: it's a mixed bag. When we talk about guys that

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Speaker 2: have been superstars in the NBA, and I'll include Chris

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Speaker 2: Paul at the peak of his career was one of

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Speaker 2: the top stars. You know, he use the term superstar,

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Speaker 2: but certainly one of the top stars of the league.

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Speaker 2: I always go back to Allan Iverson at the end

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Speaker 2: of his career, where you know, this is a guy

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Speaker 2: who averaged forty one minutes per game for his entire

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Speaker 2: NBA career, which is still one of the most stunny

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Speaker 2: numbers stats that can think of that a man of

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Speaker 2: his stature played an average of forty one minutes a

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Speaker 2: night for his entire career in the NBA show you

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Speaker 2: the toughness of an Alan Iverson. But when he was

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Speaker 2: asked to reduce his role, he just was not capable

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Speaker 2: of doing that. It was not in his DNA, and

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Speaker 2: that was it. That was the end of his career.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know, Chris Paul doesn't strike me as

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Speaker 2: a guy they're gonna yeah, well, he's different because his

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Speaker 2: ego is immense, I mean, which is part of the

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Speaker 2: reason he's been such a great player.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't I don't know well enough

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Speaker 1: to speak to the ego. I would say it is

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Speaker 1: hard for guys who have been uh career starters to

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Speaker 1: go to the bench. Remember when uh Carmelo and Okay

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Speaker 1: see and they're like, hey, mean you come on the bench?

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Speaker 1: He said, pee, they talking about your boy coming off. No,

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Speaker 1: it took him a while to embrace that role because

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Speaker 1: he was I mean, he didn't see himself as that.

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Speaker 1: I think this is different because I know Chris Chris

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Speaker 1: Pall certainly should be able to see the light at

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Speaker 1: the end of the tunnel because it's fast approaching, and

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Speaker 1: so if he wants to add a ring to it,

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Speaker 1: I can't even say collection a ring to the Mantle.

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Speaker 1: He has to do what he has to do to

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Speaker 1: get with the Warriors, and I think for them, man

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Speaker 1: dealing with Chris Paul is much better than dealing what

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Speaker 1: they were dealing with when it came to Jordan Pool.

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Speaker 2: All Right, So on the Western Conference front, it doesn't

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Speaker 2: look like, at least for now, that any team has

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Speaker 2: ascended to the love of really giving the Denver Nuggets

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Speaker 2: a serious challenge. But in the Eastern Conference there was

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Speaker 2: one major deal done that could have changed the dynamic

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Speaker 2: of the league. We'll talk about whether or not por

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Speaker 2: Singha's to the Celtics will make a big difference in Boston.

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Speaker 2: Stay with us. This is Fox Sports Saturday, Steve Harvin

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Speaker 2: and Bucky Brooks Fox Sports Saturday coming live from the

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Speaker 2: tai Iraq dot Com studios. Tygle Lil NBA in this

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Speaker 2: first hour here, because well, there was a lot of

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Speaker 2: NBA news with the drafts, some trades being made, including

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Speaker 2: the one that the Celtics made to bring the big

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Speaker 2: guy por singis in saying bye bye to Marcus Smart. Yes,

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Speaker 2: so on the surface, Bucky, I would say this, whatever

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Speaker 2: you're doing and have been doing, Remember they've been to

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Speaker 2: the Eastern conference finals. What is it five of the

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Speaker 2: last six years, only one of those years that they

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Speaker 2: actually make it to the NBA finals, And of course

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Speaker 2: they haven't won an NBAH Championship the Celtics since two

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Speaker 2: thousand and eight. But it would seem to think that

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Speaker 2: with this dynamic that we have, we've gone as far

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Speaker 2: as we can go. So we need to make a change.

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Speaker 2: So in order to bring in a big Porsingis, you

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Speaker 2: have to part with the former defensive player of the

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Speaker 2: Year Marcus Smart, who by all accounts and I've never

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Speaker 2: been in a Celtic locker room with Marcus Smart, but

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00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 2: those that have spoken out about his impact on the team.

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Speaker 2: It goes beyond just being a shutdown defender. He's a

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Speaker 2: guy that's really important in that locker room. He's a

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00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 2: locker room guy to hold things together when the other

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00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 2: guys might be coming a part of the seam. So

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Speaker 2: when you look at that trade understanding, Persingis is coming

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Speaker 2: off a productive season where he was healthy for most

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Speaker 2: of the year, but that's not been the norm with

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Speaker 2: Porsingis over the last four or five years. But look

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Speaker 2: at the odds right now. The Celtics, along with the

648
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Speaker 2: Nuggets are the favors to win the NBA Championship. Do

649
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 2: you believe the Celtics have made the necessary move to

650
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 2: get to the next level.

651
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: No, I actually think they are a worse team than

652
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: they were before. And the reason why I would say

653
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: that is because the reason why they couldn't beat the

654
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: Miami Heat had nothing to do with their talent, had

655
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: everything to do with their toughness and their guts and

656
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: their grit. So now you remove I would say the

657
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: toughest player on their team, and Marcus Smart, the one

658
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: who would stick his nose in there, get dirty if

659
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: the game need to ratchet up a level of physicality

660
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. He was willing to throw his

661
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: body around. Porzingis doesn't bring that. And so I think

662
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: if you're the Miami Heat and the other teams, you

663
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: love that you're Jolan beiid you think Jolan Bee cares

664
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: about little personas down there in the block. So to me,

665
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: this would be great for the Celtics and the record

666
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: the season, it will not bring them any closer to

667
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: the title.

668
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm with you. You remember when Percingas first went

669
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 2: to the Knicks and everyone's just thinking, oh my, hey,

670
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: they they got themselves the next dirt Novitzky, you know,

671
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 2: a big guy that can shoot and everything else. But

672
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 2: even in this day and age, when we have these

673
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 2: bigs that hang out on the perimeter, you still have

674
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 2: to bring something at the defensive Endy you mentioned Embiid.

675
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 2: How about a guy like jo Kich going against Persingis.

676
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,720
Speaker 2: I mean that there is no resistance percingus is average?

677
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 2: Am I right? Less than one shot block per game

678
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 2: for his career and he's seven to three, So he

679
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 2: doesn't offer anything.

680
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: At the defensive end. He's just a long.

681
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 2: And he's a guy that's been prone to injury. Yeah,

682
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,240
Speaker 2: he had a year where he played seventy plus games.

683
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 2: That has not been the norm with Persingis. He has

684
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 2: been missing a lot of games in recent years. I'm

685
00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 2: with you. I saw that deal done and to me,

686
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 2: it just smelled of a panic move. Let's not forget

687
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 2: that this Celtics team was given up for dead down

688
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 2: three to zero in that series against the Heat and

689
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: won three in a row. Maybe they just ran out

690
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 2: of gas in the game seven. It's hard to beat anything.

691
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, you know who's farked them winning?

692
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: The guy who said don't let us get one that

693
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: was Marcus Smart. Yeah, and I'm not saying that I'm

694
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: a huge fan of Marcus Smart, but what I can

695
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: recognize is what he brought to that team. He was

696
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: the tough guy. He was the irritant. He was the pest,

697
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: the net that would get under the skin of the

698
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: opponents because he would take a timely charge. He would

699
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: flop and flail around and do all those things. But

700
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: they needed that. Who does that? Now, Who's going to

701
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: be the tough guy? And a guard can normally shouldn't

702
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: be the enforcer, but he was the only enforcer that

703
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: the Celtics have.

704
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, everyone that's been around that team

705
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 2: pointed out that Marcus Smart was a key guy in

706
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 2: the locker room. Well, when we talk about locker room guys,

707
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 2: and I'll give an example back in the day with

708
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 2: the Lakers, and that.

709
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: Was d Fish.

710
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,280
Speaker 2: I mean D Fish could do things on the court.

711
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 2: He wasn't spectacular at anything. He was never going to

712
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 2: get a sniff of an All Star appearance or anything

713
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 2: like that, but he filled the void that Kobe didn't

714
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 2: necessarily want to partake in. Kobe was focused on what

715
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 2: was happening on the floor. He wasn't interested in the

716
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: dynamics of the locker room. And I was in that

717
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 2: locker room a lot during the Kobe years. Kobe was

718
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: like an island onto himself. He would come out and

719
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 2: he would talk to the media. Always great, but he

720
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: wasn't a locker room guy. How important are locker room guys?

721
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 2: You've seen it from a player's perspective, from a coach's perspective.

722
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:52,240
Speaker 2: How do you place value on someone that is valued

723
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 2: in a locker room?

724
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: Is very important. The best teams are talented, but really

725
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: they're connected. And the only your teams can be connected,

726
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: there has to be a couple of people in the

727
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: locker room that have the pulse of the team, and

728
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: they know what's needed and when it's needed to be done,

729
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: and so if there's a hard conversation that needs to

730
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: be had, they're willing to step up and do that.

731
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: And they don't bristle at the notion of you know what,

732
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 1: you can't talk to the number one player the number

733
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 1: two player like that. You talked about Derrek Frisher being able, Dude,

734
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: I remember hearing Derek Frisher talk about I think he

735
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 1: and Kobe drafted the same year, and so after practice

736
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: they had to work out together and play these one

737
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: on one games. And so there was a mutual level

738
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: of respect between Kobe and Dee Fish that maybe didn't exist,

739
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: and so Fisher didn't take a back seat to Kobe.

740
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: And so those things are necessary. And so when you

741
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: talk about a player like Marcus Smart, he spoke out

742
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: like last year when Tatum and Brown were shooting, he

743
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: was the way he a, they're shooting too much. He

744
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: had a connection with I mean you Doka when it

745
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: came to that, because they were trying to create a

746
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: confront and demand culture where you confront guys, you demand

747
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: better play, better participation, whatever it is. And they did that,

748
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: and so now without that, those guys get to go unchecked.

749
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: Oh man, it becomes a one on one show.

750
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 2: I remember after the Lakers won their last championship with

751
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 2: Kobe in twenty ten, Game seven against the Celtics, I

752
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 2: was doing a TV shot on the floor after that

753
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 2: game and Kobe and I had this back and forth

754
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 2: the rapport back in the day. I was always taking

755
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 2: little shots at him and he, for some reason he

756
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: found me very amusing about that. But he walked right

757
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 2: by me as I was getting ready to do a

758
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 2: stand up, and he yells out of me, what do

759
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 2: you think now, Hartman? And I didn't hesitate. I go,

760
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 2: I guess you and d Fish have the same number

761
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 2: of rings.

762
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: Hmm hmmm. Interesting.

763
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 2: That was my immediate response, because he was asked right

764
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 2: after the game, what does this mean? He didn't say

765
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 2: at Celtics it means I got one more ring than

766
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 2: Shack because he had five to Shacks four. So I

767
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 2: had heard that when he yelled at what do you

768
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 2: think now, Hartman? I'm like, I guess you and d

769
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 2: Fish have the same number of rings. But that was

770
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 2: that was my way, and he laughed. I mean he

771
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 2: understood because I understood that he plays a role. Now.

772
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 2: I don't know again the dynamic the Marcus Smart had

773
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: in that locker room, but what I hear is he

774
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 2: was that guy, and so to hold things together when

775
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 2: you know the two bigger stars, obviously are you going

776
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 2: to getting all the attention? So it will be interesting.

777
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 2: All I can say right now is is that from

778
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 2: my observations, no team yet has made any move to

779
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 2: cause the Denver Nuggets any fear.

780
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 1: No, not at all, not yet.

781
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: I mean, there's still plenty of moves that could be made.

782
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 2: But what Boston did, the Golden State did, but the

783
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 2: Phoenix Suns did. None of them to me, have elevated

784
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 2: themselves to the level where the Nuggets are right.

785
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: Now, and so it's unfortunate. I mean, he's great a

786
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: lot of activity. Certainly, it doesn't mean it's gonna lead

787
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: to any achievement. So we'll see what it how it

788
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: plays out. But just a nice move. It'd be great

789
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: for the video game, but it won't do anything. It

790
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 1: won't be anything in real life.

791
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 3: Chris.

792
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 2: There's one other team I'm still waiting to make a move.

793
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 2: See what they're gonna do. That would be the Los

794
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 2: Angeles Lakers, who always seem to be in the conversation,

795
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,439
Speaker 2: which is what happens when you have a guy named

796
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 2: Lebron James on your team. All right, we're gonna got

797
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 2: away from the NBA because we got a lot of

798
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 2: NFL news to get to keep it right here, ladies

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Speaker 2: hour dosing overdosing on the NBA. I want to get

808
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 2: to some NFL news. A little bit quiet on the

809
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 2: NFL front, but not necessarily. I need some clarification from you, Bucky,

810
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 2: because maybe I'm missing something here. Aaron Rodgers was talking psychedelics.

811
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 2: Is that right?

812
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: Yes?

813
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 2: I mean, is this like hallucinogenics? Was this a new drug?

814
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 2: What am I missing here is what is it that

815
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers is a proponent of in terms of making

816
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 2: his game better or making the game better for players

817
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 2: in the NFL? When am I missing?

818
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 7: Yeah?

819
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 1: I think just making it better for players being able

820
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:40,240
Speaker 1: to tap into some other medicines that are maybe more

821
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 1: holistic as opposed to the mainstream medicines that we're pumping

822
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 1: into people's bodies. And so, because he's kind of artsy fartsy,

823
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: and I guess he's a kale guy, so I guess

824
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: he must be a well read man. Oh yeah, yeah,

825
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: it's kind of promoting some of the things that he

826
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: says exists in others leagues, but the NFL has yet

827
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 1: to relent.

828
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 2: All right, let me ask you this. Robert Sala is

829
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 2: his new coach. Your quarterback is getting out there and

830
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 2: publicly stating this is a positive. If you're Sala, do

831
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 2: you pull him aside and saying, hey, how can I

832
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 2: get some of this stuff from me and my coaching staff,

833
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 2: maybe share it with the rest of the players on

834
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 2: the team. Or are you pulling him aside saying, look, Aaron,

835
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 2: you can do whatever you want with your game, but

836
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 2: don't necessarily pass it on to everyone else because what

837
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 2: works for you may not actually work.

838
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Speaker 1: For somebody else. That's a very interesting thing. It depends

839
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: on how Sala has elected the coach Aaron. Did he

840
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: elevate Aaron and give Ellen Aaron the kind of sway

841
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: where he can kind of do whatever he wants to

842
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: do unchecked, which is some of the power that Aaron

843
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: wanted into some of it that he will died the

844
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 1: last couple of years of Green Bay, Or is it

845
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: really a coach player relationship with the coach lays down

846
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,919
Speaker 1: the law and the player has to acquiesce. I don't

847
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 1: believe it's the latter. So I don't know if you

848
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: can really have Aaron pipe down. I don't know if

849
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: he can ask him directly, ay Man, I don't think

850
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: this is a good.

851
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 2: Look when you think about playing in Green Bay for

852
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 2: the entirety of his career, and the only time we

853
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 2: ever heard from him is on one national radio show.

854
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 2: That was the only time we'd ever hear him being

855
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 2: spoken of. It already seems and you know, remember the

856
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 2: change we saw in Tom Brady when he went down

857
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 2: to Tampa, once he got away from the grips of Belichick.

858
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 2: We saw different Tom Brady. He was out going, he

859
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 2: was on social media, he was everywhere. And we're seeing

860
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 2: a little that with Aaron Rodgers. We have seen more

861
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 2: of Aaron Rodgers, heard more from Aaron Rodgers in just

862
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,479
Speaker 2: a few months with the Jets, And dare I say

863
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 2: we had in his entire career with the Green Bay Packers?

864
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 2: Is that good or bad?

865
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 1: Aaron fun air, He's fun guy now fun guy. Remember

866
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: Brady is a fun guy in fun Guy likes to

867
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: go to the game with his younger teammates and introduce

868
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: him to people that they don't know. Oh, and he's

869
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 1: like a man, I mean a man around town. He's everything,

870
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: he's there, he's a swiftye. Like so many things that

871
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: we're finding out about Anon Rodgers that we never had

872
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: opportunity to learn while he was there in Green Bay.

873
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: That's good as long as it translates into wins. I'm

874
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 2: going to talk about another team in the division that

875
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 2: he now plays in, the AFC East, and that is

876
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 2: the Buffalo Bills. So the Buffalo Bills a couple of

877
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: years ago had that big shootout game Josh Allen versus

878
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs, and even though they walked

879
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 2: away from that game a loser, everyone walked away from

880
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: watching that game staying well. The only reason they lost,

881
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 2: and they changed the overtime rules because of it, at

882
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 2: least in playoff games, is that they never had a

883
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 2: chance to answer that first touchdown drive of the Chiefs

884
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 2: in that overtime. So at that point a lot of

885
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 2: people were thinking that the Chiefs and the Bills were

886
00:44:55,880 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 2: on equal footing. And then the chief Us loss of

887
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 2: the Bengals at home in the AFC Championship game, and

888
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: then last year, the Bengals beat the Bills in the playoffs.

889
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 2: When you look at the Buffalo Bills going into this year,

890
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 2: are they in the conversation with the Chiefs and the

891
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 2: Bengals or are they a step behind those two teams

892
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 2: When you talk about supremacy in the AFC.

893
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 1: I think they're a step behind, not significantly far behind.

894
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: But if we're talking about teams on the rise and

895
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: teams that may be on the decent, I would say

896
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: they are more on the DC line. When you look

897
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,720
Speaker 1: at their roster, love Stefon Diggs, but there's not another

898
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: viable threat that's established in the bass game. Yeah, Dawson

899
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: Knox is there. They drafted Kink from Utah, but they

900
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: don't have another guy that scares you, so all the

901
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: attention can go to Diggs. Running game has been nothing

902
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: more than Josh Allen as a one man show, scrambling

903
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: quarterback runs in those things. Defensively, they have talent, but

904
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: they lost Tremaine Evans. They don't They're making the transition

905
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: where Leslie Fraser was their defense plate at a very

906
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: high level. Sean McDermott wants to take over play call

907
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: and so now Leslie is on a hiatus. Sean McDermott

908
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 1: steps in as the defensive coordinator slash, yet coach more

909
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: responsibilities on his plate. How does that change the way

910
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: that he manages the game. And so the final thing,

911
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: Ken Dorsey, there were people that were a noticeable difference

912
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 1: between what Brian Dayball did and Ken Dorsey dynamic offense

913
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: not as dynamic didn't have all the answers those things.

914
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: And so because of that, Buffalo Bills aren't viewed in

915
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: the same stratosphere as the Kansas City Chiefs and some

916
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 1: of the other teams in they are see all.

917
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 2: Right, So we go back to when the acquired Stefan Diggs,

918
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 2: Brian Dable obviously running that offense, and the unprecedented leap

919
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 2: in a fiew that we saw out of Josh Allen.

920
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 2: Unprecedented a guy that never completed sixty percent of his

921
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 2: passes in college suddenly completing sixty nine percent of his passes,

922
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 2: so partly because of the addition of a great receiver

923
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,439
Speaker 2: like Diggs, table doing the right things. And we were

924
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 2: having this conversation a year ago that Josh Allen was

925
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 2: almost checked out by the majority of people to be

926
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 2: the MVP of this league. Has he plateaued? Now you

927
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 2: talked about the Bills, a team seemingly in dissension, are

928
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 2: we going to say the same thing about their quarterback?

929
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: I think plateau is a good is a good way

930
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: to do it. Let's look at his last couple of

931
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: years now. From a production standpoint, the numbers are all

932
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: the same. He's completing the great year of twenty twenty

933
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: when people talked about him being an MVP, completed sixty

934
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: nine percent of his passes at forty five hundred yards,

935
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: thirty seven touchdowns, ten interceptions. Well, the last two years

936
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 1: he's had thirty six touchdowns, thirty five touchdowns, fifteen interception

937
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: fourteen interceptions respectively. The issue is he's not as efficient.

938
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: He's been right around sixty three percent in terms of

939
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: his completion rate. Now you put that against the first

940
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: two years in the league he was at fifty two

941
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: than fifty eight percent, so he still he.

942
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 2: Was in college, so that was Remember in those days,

943
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 2: we were just looking at him like, Okay, we get it.

944
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 2: He's not going to be able to complete a high

945
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 2: percentage of passes making beat you with his legs. A big,

946
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 2: physical guy, no one ever druamped. How do you make

947
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 2: that leap.

948
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: It has never been done never and like normally and

949
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: see he is I would say, kind of messed it

950
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: up for generational quarterbacks that come behind him because now

951
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: everyone is looking for the next guy to do what

952
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 1: Josh Allen did right, which has become a more accurate

953
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: passer in the league. That is harder due to the

954
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: complexity of the defense and the athleticism on defense now,

955
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: but he's been able to do it. The issue that

956
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: you have. Some would say, okay, Brian dave Ball got

957
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: him up, been going put together the blueprint and the

958
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 1: formula and so left a blueprint there in Buffalo for them.

959
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: So all Ken Dorsey had to do was take that blueprint. Dorsey,

960
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: first time coordinator, wanted to do some things on his

961
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: own so they don't look like they look. And so

962
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: to me, is Ken Dorsey good enough to handle this

963
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: job long term? Meaning is he good enough to get

964
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: them to the Super Bowl? Is he a super Bowl

965
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: caliber offensive coordinator? In terms of understanding the game, the plays,

966
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,879
Speaker 1: understanding how to play the clock, score game, meaning, hey,

967
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: we want to play complimentary football because that's what we

968
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,760
Speaker 1: need to do to protect our defense, or vice versa.

969
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 1: That's what I'm curious. Ken. He have a well rounded

970
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: game where hey, sometimes he takes his foot off the

971
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: gas because he knows I need to play this way

972
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: for our team to win tonight. Our worry about all

973
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: the criticism or whatever down the line.

974
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,280
Speaker 2: All right, for the next six weeks. Obviously, NFL teams

975
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 2: still trying to put things together. We still have some

976
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 2: big name free agents just floating out there. Where ultimately

977
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 2: will they end up. This is Fox Sports Saturday, Steve Harbin,

978
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,439
Speaker 2: Bucky Brooks, Fox Sports Saturday. Once again, we are coming

979
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 2: alive from the ti Raq dot com studios. I just

980
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 2: had Father's Day and we were talking about this. Bucky,

981
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 2: did you this struck a nerve with you last week?

982
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 2: So when we talked about father Yeah, so because you

983
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 2: went on a bit of a rant.

984
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: Is that what we call it?

985
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 2: A bit of it? I mean, yeah, you were ranting

986
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:42,280
Speaker 2: a little bit about how fathers get short changed, certainly

987
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 2: in terms of comparison Father's Day to Mother's Day. So

988
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 2: how did your Father's Day go? Did you bring in

989
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 2: a lot of loot from your children and wife? Was

990
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 2: there any recognition of Father's Day at the book Brooks house?

991
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: Any kids are always great.

992
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 2: Kids are good. Okay, give you a nice card, you know,

993
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 2: say some nice things about that.

994
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: Good kids are good, Kids are always good. Kids are

995
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: always good. It's just, you know, just my contention with

996
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: Father's Day was he was almost like a shared holiday

997
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: this year between Father's Day and Juneteenth, and you know,

998
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: like it's just the thing, like it's it's been documented

999
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: that Mother's Day is the highest grossing day of the

1000
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: year for most restaurants. Correct, because everyone takes mom out,

1001
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,919
Speaker 1: like and if you didn't take mom out, you best

1002
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: believe you're gonna hear about it.

1003
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 2: Dad's Yeah, where do they take you out for Father's Day?

1004
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 1: So I didn't go the day of, but I went

1005
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: to a nice little place, to a nice little place

1006
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: in Malibu, nice little place.

1007
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 2: Wait to say, was this a Father's Day dinner? A

1008
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:42,959
Speaker 2: Juneteenth dinner?

1009
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: What was Father's Day thing? We wanted to check out

1010
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 1: something different. But it was cool, like but you know,

1011
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 1: like you know, you have a dog. Your dog is

1012
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: always gonna take care of you. So it was good.

1013
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 2: So my daughter, my youngest. I have two boys and

1014
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 2: my daughter she's twenty two. Now this is a reminder

1015
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 2: of how if you have daughters how they mirror their

1016
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 2: mothers very similar, right, You see that a lot of

1017
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 2: the traits that you see in mom. This is like

1018
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,439
Speaker 2: when you meet your future wife. You know, you're like, well,

1019
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 2: what is she going to be?

1020
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: Like?

1021
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:18,280
Speaker 2: Usually you look at the mom, but how is her mom?

1022
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 2: If you want to get a sense of how she's going.

1023
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 1: To be, that's what That's what I mean that that

1024
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 1: that goes back to like like part of the reason

1025
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: why you want to go to your high school girlfriend's places.

1026
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: You want to see what the mom looks like, right,

1027
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: because you want to hope that the mom is like

1028
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: hot and nice and all those other things. And so yeah,

1029
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: it just.

1030
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 2: Should be like, well, the mother and my children and

1031
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 2: I very different dynamic in terms of money, which is

1032
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 2: not uncommon. No, that's common, you know, it's very common. Yet,

1033
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 2: but she likes the nicer things. I like nice things too. Yeah,

1034
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, I'm not looking for bargain basement here,

1035
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 2: but I'm looking for a little levity. Yeah, and we

1036
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 2: are discussing a dining table.

1037
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: Therese always big purchases, dining tables, big couches.

1038
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,240
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, do you guys eat together

1039
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 2: at the dining table, or is the dining table that

1040
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 2: sits there only for decoration, thank you. Essentially it's decoration.

1041
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 2: It fills out the room and then that rare occasion

1042
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 2: of Thanksgiving, a Christmas.

1043
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's just rare, thatre dining dining tables.

1044
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: Even going back to my parents' house, rarely used decorations the.

1045
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 2: Same way when I grew up, we didn't even we

1046
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 2: had a living room. When I grew up, we had

1047
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 2: the dining room. No one was ever in that room

1048
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:38,760
Speaker 2: unless it was a holiday.

1049
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: No ever, no limits, No you don't go in Dane.

1050
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: I remember my grandma's plastic all over plastic, Yeah, don't

1051
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 1: miss it up. Yeah yeah, those things look don't touch. Yeah.

1052
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 2: So I don't want to give out numbers here, but

1053
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 2: they sort of hit me for a loop when they

1054
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 2: said how much money they want to on a dining

1055
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 2: table and six chairs for what is essentially decoration. Yeah,

1056
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna have something.

1057
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 1: To do with that. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's that's a

1058
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:08,919
Speaker 1: tricky one.

1059
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 2: And but when they get then double up on you

1060
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,439
Speaker 2: when they get to you know, it's that's tough.

1061
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 9: Rough, that's tough. That's tough, and you know that you

1062
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 9: know your daughters, your eye. Yeah, you know, you don't

1063
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 9: want to talk to you a certain way. You don't

1064
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 9: want her disappointed.

1065
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 1: But then hey, yeah, budgetary constraints where But.

1066
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 2: She has a boyfriend. Now he's a nice guy. I

1067
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 2: like him, but I'm I'm giving him a little warning,

1068
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:37,240
Speaker 2: like you understand, Yeah you see this, you see this coming,

1069
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 2: because yeah, he's off to pay roll.

1070
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: She's on you, you know, and I hope your salary

1071
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: cap situation.

1072
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 2: Is you have to be aware of these things. All right,

1073
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,800
Speaker 2: I want to ask you about some penning free agents.

1074
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 2: By the way, I thought this was one of the

1075
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 2: great comments here. Alexander Madison, who is now the number

1076
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 2: one running back I take for the Vikings after playing

1077
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 2: very a little behind Dalvin Cook over the last four years,

1078
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 2: says it's a game changer. Well, it's a game changer

1079
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 2: for him. I don't know if he can produce anywhere

1080
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 2: near the kind of production that we saw from Dalvin Cook, who,

1081
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 2: by the way, over those last four years was a

1082
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 2: pro bowler every year and just came off a season

1083
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 2: where he actually played for all seventeen games. Why is

1084
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 2: it all quite on the Dalvin Cook front? Are there teams.

1085
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 2: Are you hearing anything about any we assume Miami was

1086
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 2: going to be in the mix. Are they still in

1087
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 2: the mix? What's the latest buzz with Dalvin Cook?

1088
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 1: I would say the buzz on Dalvin Cook is he's

1089
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: going to have to just his compensation expectations.

1090
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 2: So this just comes down their teams are interested, but

1091
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:40,879
Speaker 2: not at the price he's looking for.

1092
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because I would think the price that he's

1093
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: looking for is very similar to the one that he

1094
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: was at. So anywhere I mean we're talking about I

1095
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: think his cap number was over fourteen million. I think

1096
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: his actual number number was right around ten million. So

1097
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,919
Speaker 1: if he's looking for that kind of payday, I don't

1098
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 1: know who's willing to fork that over. Right now, a

1099
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: month before training camp when you can look and see man,

1100
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: just guys like Kareem Hunt, Melvin Gordon, guys are just

1101
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: sitting out there, and so you can love Dalvin Cook,

1102
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: but you like, is Galvin Cook going to be nine

1103
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: million more dollars in Melvin Gordon a Kareem Hunt? Based

1104
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 1: on what we need and so those things are tricky.

1105
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: So eventually he'll sign with a team, But in terms

1106
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: of the cash flow, I don't know if the cash

1107
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: is going to be out there in terms of to

1108
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:29,720
Speaker 1: his liking.

1109
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 2: You know, way back in the day, I mean way

1110
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 2: back in the day, the evolution of football over the years,

1111
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,760
Speaker 2: they used to have when they ran the single wing offense.

1112
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 2: Are you familiar with the single wing?

1113
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: I am, because I think I run a variation of it. Yeah.

1114
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 2: So the single wing was a direct snap to the tailback,

1115
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 2: who really did everything. I mean, he passed, he ran,

1116
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 2: and kicked, he did all but you specifically quarter but

1117
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 2: the actual quarterback was more of a blocker blocking these

1118
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 2: really was he was exactly And I'm looking I'm trying

1119
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 2: to figure out the evolution of what we're going to

1120
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 2: see with you know, let's face it, the downgrading of

1121
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 2: the importance of the running back position. You need somebody

1122
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 2: back there to protect the quarterback. I mean, there's got

1123
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 2: to be at least one more body in the backfield.

1124
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 2: But we see empty backfield formations in the NFL all

1125
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 2: the time, single back formations. Is that what we're looking at?

1126
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 2: Are we looking at now where a running back essentially

1127
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 2: will be replaced by essentially another flanker, slot receiver, you know,

1128
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 2: empty backfields? I mean to me, you still have to

1129
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 2: have somebody to protect the quarterback. But is that where

1130
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 2: we're going with this? Where the running back position as

1131
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 2: we have known it, and now obviously without you know,

1132
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 2: Jonathan Taylor, Derek Henry, there are very few running backs

1133
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 2: still in that mode of the old school, you know,

1134
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 2: give the guy the ball twenty twenty five games times

1135
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 2: a game. Is that where we're going with this?

1136
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: We're definitely moving away from the traditional running back in

1137
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: terms of a we're gonna put it in his belly

1138
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: and let him rock with it twenty to twenty five times.

1139
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: The premier running backs, or the running backs that are

1140
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: getting paid, are the ones who also have the ability

1141
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: to impact the game as a receiver. You don't have

1142
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: to necessarily be and just making a receiver then do it. Yeah,

1143
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: but you still need to have the guy that can

1144
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: run in between. And so what you're hearing coaches talk

1145
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: about it went away from you talked about twenty to

1146
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: twenty five carries to maybe twenty touches.

1147
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 2: All right, let me ask you about two backs both

1148
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame first ballot guys Marshall falk Ledani.

1149
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: And Thomas's idea of running backs in today's game.

1150
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 2: I mean both of these guys. Lt was the first

1151
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 2: running back to have a thousand yards rushing one hundred receptions.

1152
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 2: You know Marshall Falk once he went to the rams.

1153
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 2: They I mean, you know that offense isn't what it

1154
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 2: is obviously without Marshall Falk.

1155
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, are those just.

1156
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 2: Rarefied air talents or could we see more of that?

1157
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: You can see more of that, but you have to

1158
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: be able to be willing to base it on the talent,

1159
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 1: not the position, meaning when you're evaluating. So there was

1160
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: a lot of consternation over Bijon Robinson and Jamar Gibbs

1161
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: going early in the first round at running back. I

1162
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 1: would contend, well, yeah, the talent says they should be

1163
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: top fifteen picks. You watched them on tape. I mean

1164
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 1: they were explosive, they were dynamic, they had production, all

1165
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: those things. But because of the position, there was an

1166
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: expectation that those guys would fall either out of the

1167
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: first round or at the very bottom of the first round. Well,

1168
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: the difference between them and somebody else, they can catch

1169
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: them all out the backfield and so they can stay

1170
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 1: on the field for all three downs. You can get

1171
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: some production out of them. Ay, just stuffing a round. Cool,

1172
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 1: We'll just use them as a receiver out of the

1173
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: backfield now more than ever, if you're a running back,

1174
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 1: you have a toolbox full of tools, full of different

1175
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: ways where you can impact the offense and put up production.

1176
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 1: If you are limited, like a Derrick Henry or some

1177
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 1: of those other guys, it's going to be hard to

1178
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: staying a long career because once you get older, you

1179
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: can't run. You gotta be able to catch it out

1180
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: of the backfield, and even older guys typically can still get

1181
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 1: open as they are aging themselves almost out the league.

1182
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 2: Austin Eckler, Yeah, to do I mean a guy, I'm

1183
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 2: a guy that was undrafted, but it had that kind

1184
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 2: of skill set he did.

1185
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 1: And see now the difference with Austin Eckler. He had

1186
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 1: red zone touchdowns, he had a ton of catches out

1187
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 1: of the backfield. But I would say that he's not

1188
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 1: impactful enough as a runner that he changes the way

1189
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 1: that you play on defense. And a perfect world, what

1190
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 1: you would like to do, is you a general manager

1191
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:38,959
Speaker 1: about to sign the running back you'd like to tap

1192
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 1: into some opponents. What do you think about our guy? Oh, man,

1193
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: we had a game plan form. We had to do

1194
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: all these things for him, not only running game, but

1195
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: as a receiver out of the backfield. They move them around.

1196
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 1: If you don't have those kind of bad those kind

1197
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: of clubs in your bag, it's gonna be hard to

1198
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 1: get a second contract. That's noteworthy. It's just there are

1199
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 1: too many guys who you can kind of pee smell

1200
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 1: around and kind of make it happen.

1201
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 2: But again, and look, let's look back at Todd Gurley

1202
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 2: who had that and for two years he's the guy.

1203
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 2: I mean, he's the guy, but you're taking a lot

1204
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 2: of punishment. Man, he was and for him, he was

1205
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 2: a ticket, especially when blown out need before you got

1206
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 2: into the.

1207
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: He's a ticking time. But I will say and there

1208
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 1: was a lot of there were a lot of people

1209
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 1: that were upset with Todder Gurley getting the deal that

1210
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 1: he got and how he did it. But from a

1211
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 1: production standpoint, when it was time to pony up and

1212
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: he was about the hold out, he's coming off the

1213
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 1: offensive player of the year. You had to pay him

1214
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 1: market value for his services and look it into quickly.

1215
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,919
Speaker 1: But that's that's the nature of the position. I would

1216
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 1: tell you I would always offer the more talented running back.

1217
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: I would expand the first or a second round pick

1218
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 1: on a running back without hesitation if their their talent

1219
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 1: matches up on tape. Because when you find one man,

1220
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 1: you want him, and he's only going to play really

1221
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 1: on that first deal. If you do it right and

1222
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: then you let him graduate bring somebody else in, it

1223
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 1: just makes it easier, like a more seamless transition than

1224
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: the other way.

1225
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 2: The constant evolution that is all of sports, but definitely

1226
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 2: in the National Football League. Let's find out what is

1227
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 2: trending right now, man, that has evolved as well over

1228
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 2: the years. How long have I known you?

1229
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 1: Kfig?

1230
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 2: How long?

1231
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 1: Oh?

1232
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 5: Wow?

1233
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 3: When did I start in our local affiliate A five

1234
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 3: to seven ELI Sports two thousand and seven, two thousand and.

1235
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 2: Eight, Steve Yeah, a long time young whipper snapper coming in?

1236
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, just an intern at that point in time.

1237
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 2: And now you've has a voice changed at all? Well,

1238
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 2: his voice carries more clout now than he used it.

1239
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: That's what it is, buddy.

1240
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, voice isn't cracking like he's telling.

1241
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 2: How it is when you're the new kid on the block.

1242
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 2: I know he's seen and not heard so to speak,

1243
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 2: although Kfig always impressed from day one.

1244
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 3: But well, you know, throwing my feet thrown right into

1245
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 3: the fire, having an insern for petrols and money, that's

1246
01:02:57,760 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 3: not an easy gig.

1247
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 2: So you know that's I could have forewarned you on

1248
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 2: Now I think I did four one we did on man, Yeah,

1249
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 2: I tried your best.

1250
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:07,919
Speaker 3: We'll start with us A Major League Baseball a full

1251
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 3: slate today to ten games in progress at the moment,

1252
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 3: each of which are in the fifth inning. A trade

1253
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 3: turner RBI single just moments ago is tied at the

1254
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 3: Mets Phillies matchup at two apiece. You can watch that

1255
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 3: game on FS one. Seattle in Baltimore tied at two apiece.

1256
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 3: Toronto a five to two lead over Oakland. The Royals

1257
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 3: have turned a four to nothing deficit into a seven

1258
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 3: to four lead over Tampa Bay. Arizona a five to

1259
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 3: three lead over San Francisco. Home runs from Ozzi, Albi's

1260
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 3: and Matt Olsen have the Braves up six to four

1261
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 3: over Cincinnati, who are seeking their thirteenth consecutive victory.

1262
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 2: The Yankees lead the.

1263
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 3: Rangers won nothing on a Billy McKinney home run and

1264
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 3: golf third round of the Travelers Championship. Keeg and Bradley

1265
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 3: has a two stroke lead over Chez Rev. Ricky Fowler

1266
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,959
Speaker 3: finished his round at ten under sixty, although he's still

1267
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 3: six strokes back. Soccer Tonight on FS one will feature

1268
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 3: the start of group play at the Gold Cup. The

1269
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 3: United States will face Jamaica at nine to thirty Eastern

1270
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 3: at Soldier Field in Chicago.

1271
01:03:58,200 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: Back to Stephen.

1272
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 2: Bucky Big, thank you very much. Once again, We're coming

1273
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 2: you live from the tire rack dot com studios. I

1274
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 2: want to sneak in a baseball note here for a second.

1275
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 2: The CINCINNTI reads, who are awful to be honest with you,

1276
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 2: have suddenly caught fire. They have won twelve straight games.

1277
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 2: I have a buddy of mine that I've known for

1278
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 2: years that actually was signed by the Reds organization, and

1279
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 2: so he texted me last night and everyone is talking

1280
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 2: about if you haven't heard about this kid named Elie

1281
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 2: Dela Cruz, twenty one year old rookie was brought up

1282
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 2: June sixth. He made his major league debut with the Reds,

1283
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 2: so pretty much his arrival has coincided with this insane

1284
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 2: run by this Reds team He's a six foot five

1285
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 2: kid out of the Dominican and he is a specimen.

1286
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 2: And yesterday, in his fifteenth major league game, he hit

1287
01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 2: for the cycle. Now, what is the cycle? In terms

1288
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 2: of how rare is this? They're basically in the history

1289
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 2: of baseball the same number of no hitters there have

1290
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 2: been guys to hit for the cycle. The number is

1291
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 2: almost identical. Sam, do you have some of the highlights

1292
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 2: here Adela Cruz and his this was the triple. I

1293
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 2: think this is what actually wrapped it up for the cycle.

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01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 2: Let's hear it.

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01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 10: Here's the two two and there's a drive toward the

1296
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 10: right center field gap that's down this wull Send, India

1297
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 10: around third day, la Cruz going for third. Here's the relay,

1298
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 10: not in time, an RBI triple for Ellie Dyla Cruz

1299
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 10: and he has just hit for the cycle.

1300
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 2: That is insane. And it's fifteenth major league games. So

1301
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 2: through fifteen games, Bucky, he is now hitting three sixty one.

1302
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 2: He has an ops of one thousand and seventy four.

1303
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:55,919
Speaker 2: And everyone's going bonkers about this guy. And I'm saying, hey,

1304
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 2: he may turn out to be one of the all

1305
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 2: time greats. But it was ten years ago that we

1306
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 2: had almost a eerily similar situation same month rookie brought up.

1307
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 2: That was the Taka baseball, and that was Yasiel Puig

1308
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 2: of the Dodgers, who was brought in a June of

1309
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 2: ten years ago, in the year twenty thirteen. In his

1310
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 2: first month in Major League baseball in June, he hit

1311
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 2: four thirty six with an eleven eighty ops. He had

1312
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 2: forty four hits in its first month as a major

1313
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 2: league player. And we know how that story went. I mean,

1314
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 2: I mean, if we was we were, remember how we were.

1315
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 2: I mean, Puigue was off the charts.

1316
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 1: So that was the only place that I could sit

1317
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 1: when I would go watch, I would go sit rightfield

1318
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 1: because I want to say, right behind Puig and watching

1319
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 1: make plays. And I mean he was different, man, when

1320
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 1: you watched the way that he was built. He was

1321
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 1: built almost like a football player. Oh diick and rugged. Yeah,

1322
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 1: he was fine. Now. He was fun for me because

1323
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 1: I don't mind a little theatrics and some of those things.

1324
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 1: He didn't necessarily work out for baseball because they didn't

1325
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 1: like that. They didn't play about quote unquote unritten rules.

1326
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 1: But it was a lot of fun and man, It

1327
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 1: was just a lot of fun watching him play with

1328
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:16,439
Speaker 1: the energy and stuff. And look, he may blow through

1329
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 1: a sign or two, he may run when he's not

1330
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 1: supposed to run and do those things, but he was

1331
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 1: so talented. You just always wish that he could get it,

1332
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 1: just get it together.

1333
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 2: Well, that first month was unreal. I mean it was

1334
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 2: so unreal that I remember the All Star Game was

1335
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 2: coming up right and everyone was saying, you got to

1336
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 2: have to change the rules. Like, I get it. He

1337
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 2: wasn't on the ballot or anything like that, but people

1338
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 2: want to see this guy at the All Star Game.

1339
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 2: That's how dynamic he was. But I'm hoping Elie de

1340
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 2: la Cruz of the Reds because I love watching this

1341
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 2: guy's game again. Twenty one years old, six foot five,

1342
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 2: out of the Dominican. The guy just you can see

1343
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 2: he's got superstar potential. That's tough. You never know. This

1344
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 2: is all sports and we're seeing a lot of guys

1345
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 2: that come flash on the scene and you're like, oh,

1346
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 2: this guy the Hall of Fame, and then a couple

1347
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 2: of years later, whatever happened to hmm? So and so

1348
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 2: how is that? I mean, you've had teammates, you've had

1349
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 2: players you've coached. You know that you look at him

1350
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 2: and say to yourself, especially as someone that play the game,

1351
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 2: Oh if I had had that talent, Oh my gosh,

1352
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 2: if I had that talent with the work ethic I

1353
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 2: have and how hard I've worked just to get where

1354
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,639
Speaker 2: I am without all of that, but I was given

1355
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 2: those gifts.

1356
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 1: I can tell you the two guys that always stand

1357
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 1: out and come to mind. The first one would be

1358
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 1: Charles Woodson. Played with Charles Wilson at the very end

1359
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 1: of my career in Oakland. It was his rookie season,

1360
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 1: and I have never seen a more talented, like just

1361
01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 1: a pure talent where game was so easy. He wasn't

1362
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:03,600
Speaker 1: a practice guy, was he No? But the game was

1363
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,240
Speaker 1: so easy, and so I Hartman. I could tell you

1364
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 1: he would face Tim Brown Hall of Famer Tim Brown

1365
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 1: in one on ones and it maybe it was naivete.

1366
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:15,680
Speaker 1: He had no respect for Tim Brown in terms of

1367
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 1: just the way he covered him. There was no reverence

1368
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 1: for hey man, this is a great Tim Brown. He's

1369
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 1: jumping browse, he's throwing them around, he's doing all these things. Yeah,

1370
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 1: like he and this guy is all on it. And

1371
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 1: he would just see things and go being the journey

1372
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,879
Speaker 1: the journeyman, the backup that I was. Man, I'm waiting

1373
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:36,600
Speaker 1: and pausing it can I He had no fear in

1374
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 1: terms of that. The other player I would say was

1375
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 1: Dale Carter. Dale Carter was my teammate with the kan

1376
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 1: City Chiefs out of out of Tennessee. And I have

1377
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 1: never seen a guy who just a natural athleticism, uh,

1378
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 1: the feistiness that he played with and if and he's

1379
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:56,719
Speaker 1: doing great now, I mean, such such a good dude.

1380
01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 1: But look, it was a little sideways because he might

1381
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 1: have been distracted by the tree of life. And so

1382
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 1: there were times that I think the game in Kansas

1383
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 1: City started at twelve high noon kickoff. He might have

1384
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 1: strolled through their ten forty five eleven o'clock Well do hey, man,

1385
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:15,880
Speaker 1: you got this guy, you go play. But just his talent, yeah, no,

1386
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 1: I mean he as talented as he was.

1387
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 2: I guess that's and this is this is something that

1388
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:25,879
Speaker 2: happens very young. You know, when you're around youth sports,

1389
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:28,679
Speaker 2: and with my kids, I was around youth sports a lot,

1390
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 2: and you can you can pick them out immediately, like, Okay,

1391
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 2: that kid is different, he's got that he's got the

1392
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 2: it in terms of athletic ability. But when you dominate

1393
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 2: at every level. You mentioned Charles Woodson, who dominated in

1394
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 2: high school, dominating in college ultimately was a Pro Football

1395
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer, it's got to be difficult to work

1396
01:10:55,920 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 2: harder when everything you're doing is enough to still better

1397
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 2: than everyone else.

1398
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that, And that's the hard thing. And that's

1399
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 1: also why we've seen it and has been kind of

1400
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 1: I won't say proven over time. It's hard for great

1401
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 1: players to become great coaches because when you're so talented,

1402
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 1: you skip steps along the way, and so your talent

1403
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 1: provides you. Yeah, I don't go from A to B

1404
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:26,680
Speaker 1: to C to D. I went from A to D.

1405
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:31,679
Speaker 1: And so it's hard for you to break things down

1406
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 1: or focus on like the building blocks when you didn't

1407
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 1: necessarily have to use those things. And that's why I think,

1408
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 1: and it's unfortunate, but like Kobe Bryant's tragic death, but

1409
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 1: the way that he was teaching, because I've talked to

1410
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 1: people who watched his teams, his girls teams at the

1411
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 1: Mambacapney and what he did and watched him practice and

1412
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 1: how they did fundamentals over and over and over and

1413
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 1: over Again, that's uncommon because typically when you're great, there's

1414
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 1: other stuff that you've done, or you're just so natural

1415
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 1: and it just kind of happens that you can't even

1416
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 1: think about, how can articulate what I just did?

1417
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,880
Speaker 2: Ty Depmer trying to be the offenseive coordinator BYU TI

1418
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 2: Denmer obviously was a clipboard holder in the NFL for

1419
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 2: what fifteen years. There's a reason why his football IQ

1420
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:19,040
Speaker 2: was off the charts. Now, physically, he didn't have the

1421
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 2: physical tools to play in the NFL. Obviously played at

1422
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:25,679
Speaker 2: the highest level in college Heisman Trophy winner, but when

1423
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 2: he tried to be a coordinator, what he saw on

1424
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:34,040
Speaker 2: the field is different than what the normal person sees

1425
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 2: on the field. It's like you say, it's hard for

1426
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 2: me to say, all right, you're gonna do this and

1427
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:41,559
Speaker 2: you're gonna see this because that's what I saw. But

1428
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:44,759
Speaker 2: then you have to realize what you saw is not normal.

1429
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 2: You can't use yourself. And that's like you said, if

1430
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 2: guys that excel doesn't mean you can't be a good coach,

1431
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 2: but your view of the game is completely different than

1432
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 2: the normal person.

1433
01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, it can't be, and I would I would say

1434
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 1: this is. There's an art to being able to teach

1435
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 1: the game at whatever, whether you're like a teammate trying

1436
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 1: to teach another teammate how to do things, or whether

1437
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:10,599
Speaker 1: you're a player who has had tremendous success that wants

1438
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 1: to coach. There's an art to being able to take

1439
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 1: the complex and make it simple so that anyone can

1440
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:19,639
Speaker 1: do it. It's much like broadcasting, like when you're doing

1441
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 1: play by player, you're calling the game and those things

1442
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 1: is how can you take all of the craziness that

1443
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:26,880
Speaker 1: you're seeing but spit it out so that the layman

1444
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 1: can understand like, oh, okay, I understand exactly what it is.

1445
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 1: And so yeah, it's a gift and it's one of

1446
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 1: those things that you have to be taught. And for

1447
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:37,519
Speaker 1: great players or great people in certain walks of life,

1448
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:41,680
Speaker 1: it's hard to take things that happen naturally natural, Oh

1449
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 1: I spot that, and be like, oh, like, here's how

1450
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 1: you need to look at it. In that regard, it

1451
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 1: is really a challenge and it can be frustrating for

1452
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:54,840
Speaker 1: those guys when they're coaching guys who don't have this stuff.

1453
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 1: But those guys can't see the game or they can't

1454
01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 1: get the stuff like a talented player or a talented

1455
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 1: coach would get.

1456
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 2: What is important for a sport to thrive. I'll give

1457
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 2: you one thing, trash talk. We haven't in full effect.

1458
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Saturday, Steve Harvin, Bucky Brooks, Fox

1459
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 2: Sports Saturday. We're coming alive from the tai Iraq dot

1460
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 2: Com studios. So I was, h I don't know if

1461
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 2: I can tell that conversation came up about sportsmanship in sports.

1462
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:42,760
Speaker 2: And here's how I look at sportsmanship in sports. When

1463
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 2: we talk about youth sports, and we talk about high

1464
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 2: school sports, even to some degree, when we talk about

1465
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 2: college sports, although now college sports are a professional but

1466
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:58,479
Speaker 2: I think that there is a place for sportsmanship. I

1467
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 2: think it's honestly, I think it's something that starts with

1468
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 2: the family. You know, how to conduct yourself in life

1469
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 2: and treat other people. I mean, that's where it really begins.

1470
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 2: But if you're a coach, a mentor, yeah, I think

1471
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 2: when they're young, you encourage the idea of sportsmanship. However,

1472
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:24,000
Speaker 2: when it comes to the professional game, that's where I

1473
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:27,720
Speaker 2: throw it all out the window. First and foremost, professional

1474
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 2: sports is entertainment. It's the entertainment business and to me,

1475
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 2: there are a few things that are more entertaining in

1476
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 2: professional sports than bad sportsmanship. It's something we talk about.

1477
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 2: We rarely emphasize good sportsmanship and professional sports, but when

1478
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:51,639
Speaker 2: there's bad sportsmanship, oh yeah, it's definitely in the headlines. Now,

1479
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 2: this would also include trash talking. So a lot of

1480
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:02,559
Speaker 2: times when we talked about it wasn't trash talking, but

1481
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:03,680
Speaker 2: it was being boastful.

1482
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:05,280
Speaker 1: You know.

1483
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 2: So much is made of Joe Namath guaranteeing a victory

1484
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 2: in Super Bowl three. The reason that people still talk

1485
01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 2: about this all these years later is the fact that

1486
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 2: at the time, no one had ever done that. Nobody, nobody.

1487
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 2: It was like Muhammad Ali, no one had ever heard

1488
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:32,080
Speaker 2: that kind of you know, boast about it. I'm gonna

1489
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 2: put this guy down in a certain round. It was

1490
01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 2: never ever, ever done. No one ever boasted I guarantee

1491
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:39,720
Speaker 2: you we're going to.

1492
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 1: Beat this team. You never heard that ever.

1493
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:48,759
Speaker 2: But things have changed, and now we have the Chase

1494
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 2: situation with the Bengals, you know, trumpeting his own quarterback,

1495
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 2: saying that Joe Burrow is the best quarterback in the league. Yeah,

1496
01:16:57,080 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 2: and he was asked about what about Patrick mc mahomes.

1497
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:07,679
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes and his response was pat who. Now, Travis

1498
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 2: Kelcey obviously understandable coming to his defense, and I guess

1499
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 2: they showed the picture of you know, Mahomes with his

1500
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 2: two Super Bowl rings that this is the guy, this

1501
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 2: is the guy we're talking about. Where where are we

1502
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 2: in terms of the value. Because one thing we love

1503
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:30,520
Speaker 2: in sports, Bucky is rivalries, Yes, love it. We love rivalries.

1504
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 2: And it's evident that the Bengals Chiefs rivalry. Now that

1505
01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 2: Chiefs have finally beaten the Bengals. Remember burrow was three

1506
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 2: and oh before that AFC champions.

1507
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:41,560
Speaker 1: Command and borrowhead.

1508
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:44,960
Speaker 2: That's what burrowhead the whole smidz. I mean, this is

1509
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:47,439
Speaker 2: so good for the NFL. Great, It's so good.

1510
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 1: Great.

1511
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:52,639
Speaker 2: So this added layer. Now with Chase being quoted as saying,

1512
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 2: Pat who, how much does this play? I know it's

1513
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:00,599
Speaker 2: great for us to talk about it's great for the sport,

1514
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:02,559
Speaker 2: but how much does that play in the locker room?

1515
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:06,439
Speaker 2: How much impact, if any, does it actually have on

1516
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:08,920
Speaker 2: what we will see on the field, Because we will

1517
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 2: see the Chiefs some Bengals play plenty over the years

1518
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:11,559
Speaker 2: to come.

1519
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 1: It won't have any significant play, but you'll always remember,

1520
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 1: and so the only time it really matters is at

1521
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:22,599
Speaker 1: the end of the game. And so if you talk

1522
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:25,040
Speaker 1: trash before the game, you just better know you may

1523
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:27,200
Speaker 1: have to eat crow a little bit afterwards if you

1524
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 1: say something out landish. That's just a part of the deal. Now,

1525
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:32,920
Speaker 1: if you talk crazy and talk trash, and then you win,

1526
01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:35,800
Speaker 1: and then you can do whatever you want because you've

1527
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 1: won the game. So ultimately it is great fodder. Players

1528
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:44,800
Speaker 1: always love the disrespected card, so it can engage that

1529
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 1: locker room a little bit if you kind of poked

1530
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 1: the bear.

1531
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:49,679
Speaker 2: Do they still have the bulletin board stuff? Is that still?

1532
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:51,599
Speaker 1: I mean we heard that, Look I say I said

1533
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 1: for years at any time. The bulletin board, the overhead

1534
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 1: projector and clips, those things have a tendency to find

1535
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 1: their way in public view using whether it's plastered on

1536
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 1: the wall or on the video the video screen. Yeah,

1537
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:09,759
Speaker 1: that makes sure that you're well aware of somebody's comments.

1538
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 2: See the thing about uh Joe Namas coach was a

1539
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:15,360
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame coach named Webu Bank who ironically had

1540
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 2: been the Colts coach the team they were playing against

1541
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:20,280
Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl. When Johnny Knis went back to

1542
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:24,360
Speaker 2: back championships. He wanted to strangle name it because the

1543
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:27,040
Speaker 2: fact was, as they got ready for that game, we

1544
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:31,800
Speaker 2: knew we can beat this team, we knowing things we can,

1545
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:35,600
Speaker 2: but he knew taking it down like I know this

1546
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:38,559
Speaker 2: Colts team, I know we can beat this team. And

1547
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 2: then you had to open your big game. Give give

1548
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 2: him a little energy.

1549
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 1: Don't don't let them out like always, let them feel

1550
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 1: like they've been respected, don't say anything, try and stay

1551
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:47,280
Speaker 1: off the bulletin board.

1552
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 2: See, that's why that guarantee stands out, Yes, because if

1553
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 2: you if you had just pulled the upset, okay, well

1554
01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 2: they didn't really know, but then for you to make

1555
01:19:56,479 --> 01:19:59,679
Speaker 2: that boast to suddenly get their attention and still pull

1556
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 2: it off one of the all time great moments. All Right,

1557
01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 2: we're gonna continue on. We got a lot of ground

1558
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 2: to cover. Don't go anywhere, folks, plenty more to come.

1559
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:12,280
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Speaker 2: some NBA today, Let's get back to the NBA. A

1567
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:38,400
Speaker 2: little bit. Earlier on the show, we were breaking down

1568
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 2: the draft some of the teams that made some pretty

1569
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:46,320
Speaker 2: bold deals. I think we're both in accord that as

1570
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:50,040
Speaker 2: of now, no team has elevated their roster to the

1571
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 2: level of you need to beat the Denver Nuggets. Not yet,

1572
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:57,400
Speaker 2: and there are still several deals to be made out there.

1573
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:02,639
Speaker 2: The biggest name out there right now, and we're getting

1574
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 2: conflicting reports about whether or not he's going to stay

1575
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:10,520
Speaker 2: or go, and that's Damian Lillard of the Portland Trailblazers.

1576
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 2: So the Blazers are still publicly stating they have absolutely

1577
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:19,759
Speaker 2: no interest in making any trade involving Damian Lillard, who,

1578
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:22,760
Speaker 2: by the way, in his eleventh season in Portland, is

1579
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 2: coming off his all time high averaging more than thirty

1580
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 2: two points per game. He's a seven time All Star.

1581
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:32,719
Speaker 2: He's been first, second or third team All NBA seven times.

1582
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:35,800
Speaker 2: He was named to the seventy fifth Anniversary Team. His

1583
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 2: spot in the Hall of Fame is secure.

1584
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 1: Now.

1585
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 2: I look at Damian Lillard in Portland, and I'm a

1586
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:50,880
Speaker 2: little bit reminded of Mike Trout with the Angels. Mike

1587
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:56,479
Speaker 2: Trout had many opportunities to say goodbye to Anaheim and

1588
01:21:56,960 --> 01:22:02,559
Speaker 2: go elsewhere. He's comfortable in Anaheim. Mike Trout is going

1589
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 2: to stay an Angel. That's his choice. And I look

1590
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:12,280
Speaker 2: at Lillard's situation and Portland is very similar. Everyone's like, well,

1591
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 2: aren't you frustrated about you know, not, you know, winning

1592
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:19,560
Speaker 2: a championship or being a real contender for a championship.

1593
01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 2: I don't think there's anything wrong with someone saying I'm

1594
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 2: comfortable where I am. Yes, I want to win a championship,

1595
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 2: and obviously scooted, you know, comes in now this third

1596
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:37,400
Speaker 2: overall pick. Maybe he adds something to that team. I

1597
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 2: don't think there any there's anything necessarily wrong with that.

1598
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:44,880
Speaker 2: You know, we sometimes are hyper critical of guys that

1599
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:48,439
Speaker 2: are chasing a ring, you know, forcing their way out

1600
01:22:48,479 --> 01:22:52,400
Speaker 2: of spots where they're figuring, well, I'll go to a

1601
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:56,000
Speaker 2: better situation. I really started with lebron right and and

1602
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:58,680
Speaker 2: him forcing his way out of Cleveland and going to

1603
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:01,519
Speaker 2: Miami and putting together the team with d Wade and

1604
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:03,800
Speaker 2: with Chris Bosh, which resulted by the way in force

1605
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:06,599
Speaker 2: rate trips to the NBA Finals and two championships. But

1606
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:09,559
Speaker 2: we seem to have been critical of those guys. Well,

1607
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:13,000
Speaker 2: if you're critical of those guys, then shouldn't you support

1608
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:18,280
Speaker 2: the idea of Damian Lillard. Hey, if it happens, it happens, great.

1609
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:25,480
Speaker 2: But I'm comfortable as a Portland trail Blazer. Yeah, I mean, ultimately,

1610
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 2: I think we're so conflicted. Right, So it became a

1611
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 2: thing where it was about ring chasing and counting rings

1612
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 2: because you have to have a ring DISADVENTI your legacy.

1613
01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 2: That kind of became the media narrative some years ago,

1614
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:39,960
Speaker 2: and so that's what we always do. We judge everything about, well,

1615
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:42,959
Speaker 2: how many readings do you have? You can't necessarily aspire

1616
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:45,479
Speaker 2: to be the career long player to play in one

1617
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:48,880
Speaker 2: jersey and destination, even though you and I would say

1618
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:51,680
Speaker 2: back in our time coming up like it was an

1619
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:53,840
Speaker 2: honor to play for one franchise and kind of beat

1620
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:56,599
Speaker 2: that guy. So Dame lilld right now, I would say,

1621
01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:59,160
Speaker 2: is he said, has to be conflicted in some way?

1622
01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:01,920
Speaker 1: Do our ride this all the way out with the

1623
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:06,960
Speaker 1: Blazers and become mister Blazer basically, or do I go

1624
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:09,400
Speaker 1: and chase the ring that everyone says I need to

1625
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 1: have to complete my resume. I think it's a very

1626
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:15,680
Speaker 1: difficult thing for a player because once you throw the

1627
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 1: money out and that stuff, like, everyone is prideful and

1628
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:22,599
Speaker 1: really you play the game for two things, respect and rings.

1629
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 1: And so do you want to be respected as a

1630
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:27,800
Speaker 1: one Jersey guy who gave his all to the franchise

1631
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 1: or do you want to be judged by the fact

1632
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:32,000
Speaker 1: that you were able to get a ring or you

1633
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:33,840
Speaker 1: chased a ring at the end of your career.

1634
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:38,240
Speaker 2: Well, let's go back to Dirt Novisky, all right. I mean,

1635
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:41,920
Speaker 2: Dirk hung around in Dallas all those years, again, very

1636
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 2: comfortable where he was, and then they won a championship.

1637
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 2: You know, he had been an MVP, you know, and honestly,

1638
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:52,560
Speaker 2: we seen it now for the couple of guys we

1639
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:54,959
Speaker 2: saw it with the honest went back to back MVPs,

1640
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:57,280
Speaker 2: and then the year after that when it championship. We

1641
01:24:57,360 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 2: just saw it with Jokic. I don't know how good

1642
01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:03,680
Speaker 2: Scoot Henderson is going to be, but he seems to

1643
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:06,719
Speaker 2: be one of those guys that everyone is talking about

1644
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:11,519
Speaker 2: and he's nineteen years old. It's hard to project, but

1645
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:15,760
Speaker 2: maybe he has some magical instant elevating in the entire

1646
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:19,760
Speaker 2: game for the Portland Trailblazers. I mean, by the way,

1647
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:22,320
Speaker 2: everyone was a little caught off yesterday. I guess there

1648
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:26,439
Speaker 2: was some reference he made to Again I'm not always

1649
01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 2: on top of this a song that had Miami in it,

1650
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:32,760
Speaker 2: because everyone thinks he would go to the Heat, which would,

1651
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:35,360
Speaker 2: by the way, be great for the Miami Heat to

1652
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:38,720
Speaker 2: get Damian Lillard. Yes, I mean good for any team

1653
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 2: to get a guy with limitless shooting range like Dame.

1654
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:48,439
Speaker 2: But I just I think I think he stays in Portland, dude.

1655
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 1: I mean I sense he talked about staying in Portland

1656
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:57,080
Speaker 1: in the importance of establishing those things and just kind

1657
01:25:57,080 --> 01:25:59,240
Speaker 1: of being all around guy. But he kind of put

1658
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:01,360
Speaker 1: it back on the team. Well, I mean, if they

1659
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:03,200
Speaker 1: want those things.

1660
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:05,120
Speaker 2: Well, they had the third overall pick. They took a

1661
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:07,400
Speaker 2: guy that a lot of people there were three guys

1662
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:10,120
Speaker 2: that where everyone was buzzing in this draft, right, and

1663
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:14,000
Speaker 2: they got one of them. M true, right, I mean there.

1664
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:15,640
Speaker 1: Was not many guys because like, once you got to

1665
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 1: the middle of the first round, like a lot of

1666
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:19,919
Speaker 1: names were. Yeah, I mean recognizable if you are casual.

1667
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:22,599
Speaker 2: Well, that again, as I said earlier, that's every single

1668
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:27,640
Speaker 2: NBA draft. You get passed in the first round of

1669
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:33,759
Speaker 2: every draft. You might honestly have two or three impact players. Yes,

1670
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:36,960
Speaker 2: impact players. I'm not saying that you can't be a

1671
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:40,799
Speaker 2: nice role player or a solid start. I'm talking about

1672
01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:45,840
Speaker 2: impact players. There just aren't that many. Damian Lillard is

1673
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 2: one of them, but he needs the right supporting cast,

1674
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:56,200
Speaker 2: and so I again, I think I think Lillard stays. Seriously,

1675
01:26:57,120 --> 01:27:01,200
Speaker 2: if you're the Portland Trailblazers, he's coming on this remarkable year.

1676
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 2: He averaged, you know, again, thirty two points a game.

1677
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:07,200
Speaker 2: The reason that they're publicly stadium we're not interested in

1678
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:13,120
Speaker 2: trading him is they haven't heard anything remotely close, you know,

1679
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:16,400
Speaker 2: in terms of what you're offering us in order to

1680
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 2: make this trade. Not even close. Yeah, I mean, you're

1681
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to give up five number ones. Think

1682
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:25,719
Speaker 2: think of what the Clippers here, It would be my response,

1683
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,639
Speaker 2: Think about what the Clippers gave up for Paul George.

1684
01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:32,439
Speaker 1: But then I would say, just because somebody made a

1685
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:33,800
Speaker 1: bad deal, it doesn't mean that we have to be

1686
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:35,120
Speaker 1: holding holding to that.

1687
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:37,639
Speaker 2: Then there's no deal. Then you don't get them. How

1688
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:40,640
Speaker 2: bad do you want him if you put him on

1689
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:43,280
Speaker 2: the Miami Heat. We just talked about all these other deals,

1690
01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:46,439
Speaker 2: right Persinga's to the Celtics. We talk about Chris Paul

1691
01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 2: with the Warriors. You talk Bradley Beal with the Sons.

1692
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 2: If you add Damian Lillard to that Heat roster, your

1693
01:27:57,560 --> 01:28:01,720
Speaker 2: Miami Heat, Bucky Brooks, how does that team look to you?

1694
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 1: Oh?

1695
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:07,000
Speaker 2: Great, great, because, by the way, this was the lowest

1696
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:09,439
Speaker 2: scoring team in the league this year.

1697
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:12,400
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, they don't have any wiggle rooms. So their

1698
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 1: defense was on and I would say defensively they played

1699
01:28:15,320 --> 01:28:17,559
Speaker 1: well enough to win in the finals. They couldn't put

1700
01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:19,640
Speaker 1: the ball in the bucket. Yeah, I mean that was

1701
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:22,439
Speaker 1: the biggest thing. And so now you bring over Dame

1702
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 1: Dalla the Dame do his thing. I mean, I know

1703
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:28,559
Speaker 1: it's fun to watch Jimmy Butler close it out, but man,

1704
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:30,760
Speaker 1: Dame hitting threes and and all that.

1705
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Butler can do all the other stuff.

1706
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:34,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, change changes the dynamic a little bit.

1707
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:37,520
Speaker 2: You're getting look at you, you get a little excited.

1708
01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:37,479
Speaker 1: Just think.

1709
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:39,880
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I mean I would like it, all right,

1710
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:43,000
Speaker 2: give me a deal then, Okay, I'm calling you pat Riley.

1711
01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:45,759
Speaker 1: I mean you over there talking about like five ones.

1712
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 1: I would say they denyed negotiables. The guys that you're going.

1713
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:51,000
Speaker 2: To know you still have to have a courtier team.

1714
01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:53,160
Speaker 2: Look what Phoenix gave up to get Kevin. You don't

1715
01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:53,400
Speaker 2: want to.

1716
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:55,439
Speaker 1: Look at You can look at the roster and Dean

1717
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:57,880
Speaker 1: some fists. But the guys who are heat for life,

1718
01:28:58,240 --> 01:29:01,320
Speaker 1: no Jimmy Butler, no Bam. Those guys have to say.

1719
01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 2: Okay, so those two guys, but you got all those.

1720
01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:06,519
Speaker 2: I mean Kayla Martin, I went, we want Kayla Martin.

1721
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:08,639
Speaker 1: That'd be hard, that'd be hard.

1722
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:10,559
Speaker 2: But Tyler Herroll. We want Tyler har Man.

1723
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:13,639
Speaker 1: It's my guy, but Cornerstone, but we were part ways

1724
01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 1: with him.

1725
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:14,519
Speaker 2: He's okay.

1726
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:17,479
Speaker 1: I need players, I mean, I I mean, you have

1727
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 1: to Draft picks are always great, but I need a

1728
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:21,479
Speaker 1: couple of players that I know could actually play for

1729
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:23,680
Speaker 1: us immediately. Okay, So I can't get it.

1730
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:25,519
Speaker 2: So I just got two of them. You get Martin,

1731
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:28,639
Speaker 2: who wasn't even drafted. I got, I got Tyler who else?

1732
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:31,080
Speaker 1: So you took you took Tyler. I can't convince you

1733
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:34,840
Speaker 1: to take uh Dakan, Robinson and Juice. Okay, those are

1734
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:37,360
Speaker 1: two other guys that were not drafted. I'm not gonna

1735
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:39,960
Speaker 1: take three undrafted guys. I'll take one of those two.

1736
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:44,760
Speaker 2: You gotta give me Hero, you gotta give me Hero.

1737
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:48,200
Speaker 2: I want Robinson, I want Hero, I want Martin and

1738
01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:49,559
Speaker 2: I want three number ones.

1739
01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:52,160
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I got I have enough to play.

1740
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:54,200
Speaker 1: You sure you have enough to play? Let me let

1741
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 1: me have enough guys to play Lillard.

1742
01:29:57,040 --> 01:29:59,160
Speaker 2: What does that team need more than anything else?

1743
01:29:59,280 --> 01:29:59,800
Speaker 1: Scoring?

1744
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,040
Speaker 2: I mean giving him one of the ultimate shooters in

1745
01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:02,960
Speaker 2: the history of the game.

1746
01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:05,320
Speaker 1: I have Dame, I have Jimmy Butler, and then I

1747
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:08,360
Speaker 1: have Bam. I need some more. I need some more.

1748
01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:11,080
Speaker 2: You already well, first of all, you have Haimi hawk

1749
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:14,439
Speaker 2: as Junior, who, by the way, is not some eighteen

1750
01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:16,559
Speaker 2: year old nineteen year old. He's a He's a twenty

1751
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:19,679
Speaker 2: two year old man. He's ready to roll right now. Yeah,

1752
01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:21,639
Speaker 2: I mean, and you still have I'll give you stress.

1753
01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:22,040
Speaker 2: There you go.

1754
01:30:22,120 --> 01:30:25,320
Speaker 1: He keeps no, No, he has to go. He has

1755
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:27,639
Speaker 1: to go. He has to one. He has to take.

1756
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:32,400
Speaker 2: I want Robinson, okay, and I won hero and I

1757
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:37,479
Speaker 2: want Martin Man and three number ones to smoke Number ones?

1758
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:41,880
Speaker 2: What you're for now? How mean how many years did

1759
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:43,040
Speaker 2: Jimmy Butler have left?

1760
01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:46,280
Speaker 1: Probably three? Thanks?

1761
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:48,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, come on, you looked a little gas at

1762
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:50,639
Speaker 2: the end of I mean, he was doing everything everything

1763
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:51,599
Speaker 2: throughout the playoffs.

1764
01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:53,920
Speaker 1: He did everything he does right and he's dame to take.

1765
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:55,799
Speaker 2: So how would you would like to have seen Damian

1766
01:30:55,840 --> 01:30:58,360
Speaker 2: Lillard take those shots at the end instead of Jimmy Butler.

1767
01:30:58,520 --> 01:31:00,719
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I don't mind there have been different result.

1768
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:02,639
Speaker 1: I don't mind him he taking some of those shots,

1769
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:04,599
Speaker 1: but it would have been great to have another player

1770
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:05,120
Speaker 1: untill have.

1771
01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:08,000
Speaker 2: Those lower games where he just goes off like he's

1772
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:09,080
Speaker 2: like but see no.

1773
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:13,200
Speaker 1: But here's the thing, and this is why, like this

1774
01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:15,639
Speaker 1: is why we get irritated, Like in watching the game

1775
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:19,519
Speaker 1: or hearing some of the analysis after the game, he's

1776
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:23,320
Speaker 1: running around with Jamal Murray and then people expect him

1777
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:26,160
Speaker 1: to have one of those hemmy games. Again. It is

1778
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:29,320
Speaker 1: hard to gear up and play somebody ninety four feet

1779
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:31,519
Speaker 1: over and over and over again. They're running around like

1780
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:33,080
Speaker 1: a little chicken with the haircut off, and he has

1781
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:36,280
Speaker 1: to chase behind him. Then on offense, everyone wants to

1782
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:38,160
Speaker 1: give him the ball, Say he go to work, go

1783
01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:42,120
Speaker 1: one on five. No, I think I think now they've

1784
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:46,400
Speaker 1: been learn some lessons. It'd be a better, more controlled,

1785
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:49,720
Speaker 1: composed team that goes back to the final in the

1786
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:50,120
Speaker 1: year or two.

1787
01:31:50,240 --> 01:31:52,680
Speaker 2: All right, One other NBA team that is always in

1788
01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:55,639
Speaker 2: the news is the Lakers, because well they're the Lakers

1789
01:31:56,280 --> 01:31:59,120
Speaker 2: and they got a guy named Lebron James. What is

1790
01:31:59,160 --> 01:32:03,000
Speaker 2: the best potent hensch'll move for them to get back

1791
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:06,200
Speaker 2: to where they want to be. We're gonna tell you

1792
01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:11,080
Speaker 2: this is Fox Sports Saturday, Steve Harman, Bucky Brooks, Fox

1793
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:16,200
Speaker 2: Sports Saturday. We're coming alive from the tirerack dot Com Studios,

1794
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:20,960
Speaker 2: tucking some MBA and the aftermath of the draft. The

1795
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:26,759
Speaker 2: Los Angeles Lakers took Jalen Hood, Chaffino and Maxwell Lewis

1796
01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:29,240
Speaker 2: in the h two pigs in the draft. By the way,

1797
01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:33,320
Speaker 2: they moved up seven slots in that second round from

1798
01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:36,680
Speaker 2: forty seven to forty specifically to get Lewis out of Pepperdine.

1799
01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:39,479
Speaker 2: So they had their eye on this guy and they

1800
01:32:39,479 --> 01:32:43,000
Speaker 2: did not want to risk losing him, so that's why

1801
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:44,680
Speaker 2: they moved up to get him. So they had a

1802
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:50,320
Speaker 2: couple of young guys. That's great, but you've got Lebron

1803
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:55,519
Speaker 2: James going into his twenty first NBA season, and you know,

1804
01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:57,360
Speaker 2: you got to build a little bit for the future.

1805
01:32:57,400 --> 01:33:00,360
Speaker 2: I don't know how much, if any, impact, these rookies

1806
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:02,880
Speaker 2: will have immediately on this team. Hopefully they'll pan out

1807
01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:06,240
Speaker 2: to be long term players. For the Lakers, they need

1808
01:33:06,280 --> 01:33:09,439
Speaker 2: immediate help and one guy they will not get is

1809
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:12,559
Speaker 2: Chris Paul. So there was all this buzz that Chris

1810
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:15,400
Speaker 2: Paul when he went to the Wizards ultimately could end

1811
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:18,360
Speaker 2: up either as a Laker or a Clipper. That did

1812
01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:22,759
Speaker 2: not happen because miraculously, I mean think about, the Wizards

1813
01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:25,920
Speaker 2: actually got a trade for Chris Paul. And that's how

1814
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:29,320
Speaker 2: desperate the Golden State Warriors were to get rid of

1815
01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:32,599
Speaker 2: Jordan Poole's contract. So it will not be Chris Paul.

1816
01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:38,160
Speaker 2: But I got a new name that I think would

1817
01:33:38,200 --> 01:33:43,599
Speaker 2: be a nice addition for this team. Now, you resign Reeves.

1818
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:46,840
Speaker 2: You resigned Hotchamura. By the way, the numbers on those

1819
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:50,760
Speaker 2: guys Reeves is probably seventeen to eighteen million. Hotchamurrow like

1820
01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:54,240
Speaker 2: fifteen million. It's doable. So you keep them in the fold.

1821
01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:57,559
Speaker 2: But there's a guy that you can get for league

1822
01:33:57,560 --> 01:34:01,080
Speaker 2: minimum right now, like four million dollars. He's got a

1823
01:34:01,080 --> 01:34:04,800
Speaker 2: pretty good resume, and I think he would thrive in

1824
01:34:04,840 --> 01:34:10,559
Speaker 2: a Lakers uniform, and that is Dereck Rose. So, Dereck Rose,

1825
01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:13,960
Speaker 2: as we know, was the youngest MVP in the history

1826
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:20,360
Speaker 2: of the NBA, and then a devastating injury has rendered

1827
01:34:20,439 --> 01:34:25,800
Speaker 2: him a shadow of his former self. In some respects,

1828
01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:30,080
Speaker 2: he reminds me of Bill Walton. Bill Walton, of course,

1829
01:34:30,280 --> 01:34:32,360
Speaker 2: was the dominant big man when he led the Portland

1830
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:35,759
Speaker 2: Trail Blazers to the championship, and then a year later,

1831
01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:38,839
Speaker 2: in the midst of even a better season for the Blazers,

1832
01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:41,479
Speaker 2: a year in which he was named MVP, Walton got

1833
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:45,280
Speaker 2: hurt and the foot injury sidelined him for years. Went

1834
01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:48,960
Speaker 2: to the Clippers, only appeared in fourteen games over four years.

1835
01:34:49,640 --> 01:34:54,040
Speaker 2: But then he went to the Celtics and he was

1836
01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:56,200
Speaker 2: named six Man of the Year. Now, he wasn't a

1837
01:34:56,240 --> 01:34:59,000
Speaker 2: guy that was going to put up huge numbers, but

1838
01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:01,840
Speaker 2: he was a really good basketball player and he got

1839
01:35:02,479 --> 01:35:07,439
Speaker 2: motivated in the presence of great players around him. I've

1840
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:09,840
Speaker 2: seen enough of Derek Rose over the last couple of years.

1841
01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:12,040
Speaker 2: The Knicks finally said they're not going to pick up

1842
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:16,280
Speaker 2: the option on his deal. If I'm the Lakers, because

1843
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:19,280
Speaker 2: I can get him for pretty much nothing, I'm going

1844
01:35:19,320 --> 01:35:22,960
Speaker 2: to roll with him. I still, he hasn't forgotten how

1845
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:26,280
Speaker 2: to play the game. He has physical limitations. He's not

1846
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:27,720
Speaker 2: a guy that's going to be, you know, like the

1847
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:31,200
Speaker 2: number three guy or anything like. But he's I think

1848
01:35:31,240 --> 01:35:34,160
Speaker 2: of remember when they picked up Rondo in twenty twenty

1849
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:38,879
Speaker 2: and Rondo was at the end he played a valuable

1850
01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:42,320
Speaker 2: role for that team and winning a championship. I think

1851
01:35:42,400 --> 01:35:45,519
Speaker 2: Derek Rose could do that. Still, Am I higher than

1852
01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:46,719
Speaker 2: a kite or what do you think?

1853
01:35:47,320 --> 01:35:49,439
Speaker 1: I think you could work? But I think Dick Rose

1854
01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:51,920
Speaker 1: that indicated that he wanted to be downe with it

1855
01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:54,120
Speaker 1: so he can spend time with his kids. So I

1856
01:35:54,160 --> 01:35:56,760
Speaker 1: don't know if you're getting them motivated Derek Rose that

1857
01:35:57,040 --> 01:36:00,400
Speaker 1: that wants to play. Does he have value as the

1858
01:36:00,520 --> 01:36:02,519
Speaker 1: vet off the bench? What are we gonna do with

1859
01:36:03,200 --> 01:36:06,680
Speaker 1: Shrewder and so many other guys that that play. We

1860
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:11,680
Speaker 1: can't Are we bringing hell Billy Kobe back? I mean,

1861
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:14,559
Speaker 1: like those things have to be answered. What about my shooter?

1862
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:18,840
Speaker 1: Guy that came off? Uh? Is it Walker for Miami?

1863
01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:19,200
Speaker 3: Like?

1864
01:36:19,240 --> 01:36:22,240
Speaker 1: What like, what are we doing? My guys? The energy

1865
01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:23,080
Speaker 1: got root?

1866
01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:28,160
Speaker 2: Ho you moorem again? You're gonna get rooms for nothing?

1867
01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:30,400
Speaker 2: Four million dollars nothing?

1868
01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:34,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's to play. He comes back like he

1869
01:36:34,640 --> 01:36:37,960
Speaker 1: comes in. Someone has to go out and turn I do.

1870
01:36:38,479 --> 01:36:40,160
Speaker 2: I don't know. I've always been a Derrek Rosse fan.

1871
01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:41,960
Speaker 1: I mean I like Derrick Rose. I mean he's to

1872
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:45,960
Speaker 1: be my son's favorite dude, like he was lucky, great player.

1873
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:49,280
Speaker 1: But what who are we kicking out of the rotation?

1874
01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:51,400
Speaker 1: A lot of it depends on if we sign.

1875
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:54,680
Speaker 2: They're not necessarily kicking anybody out of the rotation. Yeah,

1876
01:36:54,720 --> 01:36:57,839
Speaker 2: he'll Billy Reeves is going nowhere. Horomur is going nowhere.

1877
01:36:58,000 --> 01:36:59,000
Speaker 1: There's a lot of talk to read.

1878
01:36:59,160 --> 01:37:02,080
Speaker 2: An Russell his price eg is gonna be too high

1879
01:37:03,160 --> 01:37:06,559
Speaker 2: too every away for the Lakers. He made thirty one

1880
01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:09,880
Speaker 2: million dollars last year. He's gonna pay D'Angelo Russell thirty

1881
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:10,759
Speaker 2: one million dollars?

1882
01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:13,160
Speaker 1: Who else is gonna pay I have no idea pay him.

1883
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:18,400
Speaker 2: Somebody's gonna pay him something like, Well, I'm trying to

1884
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:22,439
Speaker 2: figure who did all right? The team needs a big also, desperate,

1885
01:37:22,600 --> 01:37:25,320
Speaker 2: you think, yeah, I mean the.

1886
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:26,760
Speaker 1: Big that they have is not a big.

1887
01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:28,200
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, how about Lopez?

1888
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:29,639
Speaker 1: Brook Lopez?

1889
01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:32,120
Speaker 2: Brook Lopez, you know who is runner up for Defensive

1890
01:37:32,120 --> 01:37:33,920
Speaker 2: Player of the Year this year. Who would have ever

1891
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:36,040
Speaker 2: thought brook Lopez would be a runner up for Defensive

1892
01:37:36,040 --> 01:37:36,559
Speaker 2: Player of the Year.

1893
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:39,960
Speaker 1: He's gonna let Milwaukee to come out to come on

1894
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:42,720
Speaker 1: to La La Land. That's what we're doing.

1895
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:45,439
Speaker 2: I don't know the Bucks in your mess that they

1896
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:47,960
Speaker 2: just wire their coach. I mean, he who went further

1897
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:51,040
Speaker 2: than the playoffs this year. The Lakers are the Bucks Lakers.

1898
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:55,559
Speaker 1: I mean, I just he's gonna come out here. He's

1899
01:37:55,560 --> 01:37:57,599
Speaker 1: gonna shoot all those threes again. You can give him

1900
01:37:57,640 --> 01:37:59,400
Speaker 1: some toughness again.

1901
01:37:59,479 --> 01:38:01,599
Speaker 2: Runner up for Defensive Player of the Year. Yeah, I'd

1902
01:38:01,640 --> 01:38:05,720
Speaker 2: love to have brook Lopez come on make a deal here,

1903
01:38:05,960 --> 01:38:06,439
Speaker 2: Let's hear it.

1904
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:12,040
Speaker 1: I try, I try, I try.

1905
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:14,880
Speaker 2: Here's what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to create

1906
01:38:15,080 --> 01:38:17,960
Speaker 2: some kind of buzz going into the next NBA season

1907
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:21,360
Speaker 2: because as we sit here right now, as easy as

1908
01:38:21,400 --> 01:38:23,599
Speaker 2: it was for the Nuggets to win a championship this year,

1909
01:38:23,680 --> 01:38:26,080
Speaker 2: it could be even easier next year because now they've

1910
01:38:26,439 --> 01:38:29,120
Speaker 2: won a championship. Everyone said, well, it's tougher to repeat.

1911
01:38:29,320 --> 01:38:32,800
Speaker 2: Not the NBA, it's we have repeats champions all the time.

1912
01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:35,720
Speaker 1: In the end, they got their confidence. They know what

1913
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:37,680
Speaker 1: it's like to win it. The hardest one is to

1914
01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:39,719
Speaker 1: win the first one that they went through a little

1915
01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:42,559
Speaker 1: bit of a meet grounded loss to Miami, and Game

1916
01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:44,120
Speaker 1: two had to up the ani when it came to

1917
01:38:44,200 --> 01:38:46,920
Speaker 1: their effort and toughness level and dank. So now they

1918
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:49,800
Speaker 1: take all those lessons and they go in to next

1919
01:38:49,880 --> 01:38:55,360
Speaker 1: year with a better version of Joker, and yes, good luck.

1920
01:38:55,800 --> 01:38:57,880
Speaker 2: You know, it's amazing. When the Lakers won back to

1921
01:38:58,000 --> 01:38:59,800
Speaker 2: back in eighty seven and eighty eight, it hadn't been

1922
01:38:59,840 --> 01:39:02,559
Speaker 2: done since the Celtics in sixty eight sixty nine. Think

1923
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:05,679
Speaker 2: about what happened right after that though. Immediately the Pistons

1924
01:39:05,720 --> 01:39:07,519
Speaker 2: won two in a row, Then the Bulls won three

1925
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:09,439
Speaker 2: in a row. Then the Rockets went too in a row,

1926
01:39:09,640 --> 01:39:13,040
Speaker 2: then the Bulls went three in a row. The only

1927
01:39:13,200 --> 01:39:16,479
Speaker 2: team during since that time that was unable to do

1928
01:39:16,640 --> 01:39:21,160
Speaker 2: the repeat was San Antonio five championships, so that they

1929
01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:22,400
Speaker 2: never won back to back.

1930
01:39:22,520 --> 01:39:23,720
Speaker 1: Why can they went back to back?

1931
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:25,639
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's bad coaching.

1932
01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:29,439
Speaker 1: Do you think he's a good coach? What do you think?

1933
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:31,640
Speaker 2: I think I think he's really coach. And I'll tell

1934
01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:36,400
Speaker 2: you we're I mean, look a guy like Duncan, who again,

1935
01:39:37,160 --> 01:39:41,880
Speaker 2: four years of college, four years. Tim Duncan didn't have

1936
01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:44,280
Speaker 2: to stay awake for four years he did. Did it

1937
01:39:44,439 --> 01:39:48,200
Speaker 2: hurt his development in the league? No? Nor did it

1938
01:39:48,280 --> 01:39:51,160
Speaker 2: hurt his longevity in the league. But when you look

1939
01:39:51,200 --> 01:39:53,200
Speaker 2: at a guy like Jenobley, when you look at Tony

1940
01:39:53,320 --> 01:39:56,720
Speaker 2: Parker and how they developed Tony Parker's game for he

1941
01:39:57,120 --> 01:39:59,920
Speaker 2: becomes a Hall of Famer and even more impressive to me,

1942
01:40:00,320 --> 01:40:02,879
Speaker 2: it is the way that Pop was able to approach

1943
01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:07,040
Speaker 2: Kawhi Leonard. He came in as a guy that you

1944
01:40:07,120 --> 01:40:08,760
Speaker 2: know in the beginning, he was like, all right, he'll

1945
01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:12,200
Speaker 2: help at the defensive end, but they were able to

1946
01:40:12,280 --> 01:40:14,120
Speaker 2: nurture his game. I don't know, what do you think

1947
01:40:14,120 --> 01:40:17,400
Speaker 2: he's gonna do with Wemby here? How do you take

1948
01:40:17,560 --> 01:40:21,439
Speaker 2: this kid, who, by the way, is a marketing genius.

1949
01:40:21,560 --> 01:40:25,720
Speaker 2: I mean, he's everywhere right, He's got the personality. You

1950
01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:28,599
Speaker 2: saw him crying there after being the number one overall pick,

1951
01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:31,040
Speaker 2: even though everyone knew he was gonna people are falling

1952
01:40:31,080 --> 01:40:34,720
Speaker 2: in love with this guy quickly. But when you look

1953
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:36,680
Speaker 2: at his stature and by the way they say he

1954
01:40:36,760 --> 01:40:40,760
Speaker 2: may still have more growth as tall as he is,

1955
01:40:41,320 --> 01:40:44,559
Speaker 2: I'm looking at those legs though. Man, wow, those are

1956
01:40:44,680 --> 01:40:46,080
Speaker 2: some skinny sticks.

1957
01:40:46,240 --> 01:40:50,559
Speaker 1: He's he's skinny. He's small, man, I mean like he's slender. Yeah, super,

1958
01:40:50,920 --> 01:40:53,519
Speaker 1: he can't cover it. You can't put him on Joe if.

1959
01:40:53,439 --> 01:40:55,200
Speaker 2: Your pop, what do you do with this kid? I mean,

1960
01:40:55,360 --> 01:40:57,479
Speaker 2: everyone's gonna expect an immediate impact.

1961
01:40:57,720 --> 01:40:59,920
Speaker 1: Oh, he make an impact right away, though, I mean

1962
01:41:00,240 --> 01:41:02,040
Speaker 1: I think you have to make sure you have another

1963
01:41:02,120 --> 01:41:04,960
Speaker 1: big for when you play those guys and put him

1964
01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:08,439
Speaker 1: on the rest of that team is not good. I

1965
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:10,879
Speaker 1: mean young, it's so young. They're like babies.

1966
01:41:11,160 --> 01:41:13,240
Speaker 2: Well that's my point, but they're not good.

1967
01:41:13,479 --> 01:41:16,080
Speaker 1: They're young. You can't even tell they need an anchor.

1968
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:21,040
Speaker 1: Now they got the anchor. Weimby And I'm not even

1969
01:41:21,080 --> 01:41:25,320
Speaker 1: a sentencen of his first fan, but they they talk

1970
01:41:25,360 --> 01:41:29,040
Speaker 1: about him being a generational talent, one that we haven't

1971
01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:30,960
Speaker 1: seen since Lebron Whohoa.

1972
01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:36,400
Speaker 2: WHOA wasn't Zion a generational talent? Didn't we hear that

1973
01:41:36,479 --> 01:41:38,479
Speaker 2: about Zion when he was a duke.

1974
01:41:38,640 --> 01:41:41,200
Speaker 1: And he is a generational talent if he's not distracted.

1975
01:41:41,240 --> 01:41:43,160
Speaker 2: He has played less than half the games he could

1976
01:41:43,160 --> 01:41:44,519
Speaker 2: have played so far in his card.

1977
01:41:45,439 --> 01:41:47,679
Speaker 1: I'm thinking that Hartman hasn't been paying attention to Twitter

1978
01:41:47,720 --> 01:41:51,120
Speaker 1: and really figuring out why he's not playing like he's

1979
01:41:51,160 --> 01:41:54,719
Speaker 1: not playing because he's partially injured and partially active.

1980
01:41:55,320 --> 01:41:57,240
Speaker 2: We knew that he was not going to hold up.

1981
01:41:57,360 --> 01:41:58,360
Speaker 1: Well, the body's not.

1982
01:41:58,400 --> 01:41:59,960
Speaker 2: The question is Isy's body.

1983
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:02,120
Speaker 1: He's not gonna hold up because he has an active

1984
01:42:02,200 --> 01:42:07,040
Speaker 1: recovery that he's playing that he's subscribing to, and so

1985
01:42:07,240 --> 01:42:10,240
Speaker 1: once he gets focused and he's been in the facility, Look,

1986
01:42:10,360 --> 01:42:12,640
Speaker 1: Zion is the one. Zion is the one that I

1987
01:42:12,680 --> 01:42:16,080
Speaker 1: need to come to Miami. I need Zion to come

1988
01:42:16,120 --> 01:42:17,320
Speaker 1: to Miami because Zion.

1989
01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:20,160
Speaker 2: All right, hold that, hold that thought for a second. Here,

1990
01:42:20,439 --> 01:42:22,519
Speaker 2: let's find out what's trending right now. I need to

1991
01:42:22,600 --> 01:42:24,160
Speaker 2: talk to someone that's going to make some sense.

1992
01:42:24,280 --> 01:42:27,120
Speaker 1: He knows about, he knows about Kevin knows about he

1993
01:42:27,240 --> 01:42:29,639
Speaker 1: knows about Zion. He knows about Zion.

1994
01:42:30,200 --> 01:42:32,800
Speaker 2: He knows now he look at I've been trying to

1995
01:42:32,840 --> 01:42:34,360
Speaker 2: make a deal for him to get the guy he

1996
01:42:34,479 --> 01:42:37,639
Speaker 2: needs desperately for his Miami he and that's Damian Lillard

1997
01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:40,240
Speaker 2: because yeah, the what was scoring team in the league.

1998
01:42:40,280 --> 01:42:42,800
Speaker 2: He needs Zion one of the greatest shooters ever coming

1999
01:42:42,840 --> 01:42:45,280
Speaker 2: out of Yearie and he wants Zion Williamson, who doesn't

2000
01:42:45,320 --> 01:42:45,880
Speaker 2: even play.

2001
01:42:46,040 --> 01:42:48,600
Speaker 1: Oh, but he'll play in Miami. He's just a distracted

2002
01:42:48,760 --> 01:42:49,960
Speaker 1: Oh he just is distracted.

2003
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:50,080
Speaker 2: Oh.

2004
01:42:50,120 --> 01:42:52,640
Speaker 1: He gave even more distractions in Miami. No, no, you

2005
01:42:53,160 --> 01:42:55,599
Speaker 1: didn't talk to him. He needs somebody to talk to him.

2006
01:42:55,600 --> 01:42:57,240
Speaker 1: He didn't have a bet in New Orleans. He needs

2007
01:42:57,520 --> 01:42:59,799
Speaker 1: you did talk to him. Get him straight. He'll focus.

2008
01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:04,599
Speaker 1: He's all doing stuff. A porns come on, but no, lastly,

2009
01:43:04,920 --> 01:43:05,320
Speaker 1: minutes to go.

2010
01:43:05,400 --> 01:43:09,479
Speaker 2: Who's gonna start down in those Cuban sandwiches tomorrow? Those

2011
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:11,920
Speaker 2: things are addicted. It's a question about that.

2012
01:43:12,320 --> 01:43:14,960
Speaker 3: Well, we'll start off with some Major League Baseball games

2013
01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:17,000
Speaker 3: of note. On FS one, the Mets holding a four

2014
01:43:17,080 --> 01:43:19,040
Speaker 3: to two lead over the Phillies in the eighth inning.

2015
01:43:19,400 --> 01:43:21,800
Speaker 3: Giants now a seven to five lead over Arizona in

2016
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:24,599
Speaker 3: the eighth. The Red Swell game win streak is in jeopardy.

2017
01:43:24,680 --> 01:43:26,920
Speaker 3: The Braves just extended their lead to seven to four

2018
01:43:27,320 --> 01:43:30,479
Speaker 3: on a Marcelo Zuna home run. Luis Savarino pitch six

2019
01:43:30,680 --> 01:43:32,880
Speaker 3: shoutout innings for the Yankees. They're up, won nothing over

2020
01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:35,840
Speaker 3: the Rangers. In the ninth Astros and Dodgers will get

2021
01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:37,920
Speaker 3: underway in about a half hour from now. You can

2022
01:43:37,960 --> 01:43:40,639
Speaker 3: watch that game on Fox. Earlier in London, the Cubs

2023
01:43:40,680 --> 01:43:42,800
Speaker 3: hamm at the Cardinals nine to one. Royals came back

2024
01:43:42,840 --> 01:43:44,800
Speaker 3: from a four to nothing deficit to beat Tampa Bay

2025
01:43:45,320 --> 01:43:47,880
Speaker 3: nine to four. When the PGA Tour third round play

2026
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:50,760
Speaker 3: is complete at the Travelers Championship, Keek and Bradley a

2027
01:43:50,840 --> 01:43:54,040
Speaker 3: one stroke lead over Chez rev Ricky Fowlers six strokes back,

2028
01:43:54,040 --> 01:43:56,920
Speaker 3: while Scotti Scheffler is seven strokes off the lead. As

2029
01:43:56,920 --> 01:43:59,120
Speaker 3: Steve mentioned earlier in the NBA the next declining the

2030
01:43:59,160 --> 01:44:02,200
Speaker 3: fifteen million dollar team option for point guard Derek Rose

2031
01:44:02,240 --> 01:44:05,679
Speaker 3: and making the former MVP a free agents. In soccer,

2032
01:44:05,720 --> 01:44:08,240
Speaker 3: the US men's national team will face Jamaica in group

2033
01:44:08,280 --> 01:44:10,720
Speaker 3: play at the Goal Club Tonight. Coverage begins at nine

2034
01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:14,479
Speaker 3: pm Eastern on FS one. Back to Stephen Bucky.

2035
01:44:14,760 --> 01:44:17,439
Speaker 2: All Right, k Fig, thank you very much, a voice

2036
01:44:17,479 --> 01:44:18,200
Speaker 2: of reason.

2037
01:44:19,640 --> 01:44:24,799
Speaker 1: Knows hesions. Think it's a little bit about the injuries.

2038
01:44:24,840 --> 01:44:26,040
Speaker 1: It's more about the other stuff.

2039
01:44:26,120 --> 01:44:27,920
Speaker 2: All right, once again, we're coming to you live from

2040
01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:30,599
Speaker 2: the tire rag dot com studios. All right, let's let's

2041
01:44:30,720 --> 01:44:34,280
Speaker 2: let's pause here for a second. So the Miami Heat

2042
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:37,519
Speaker 2: got to the NBA Finals, and they did it in

2043
01:44:37,680 --> 01:44:44,960
Speaker 2: impressive fashion, no question, because they had to do it defensively.

2044
01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:48,559
Speaker 2: They need offense. They need they're trying to I mean,

2045
01:44:48,880 --> 01:44:52,800
Speaker 2: suddenly Caleb Martin is becoming your go to guy offensively.

2046
01:44:54,560 --> 01:44:58,599
Speaker 2: So let's let's review again the all two brief career

2047
01:45:00,240 --> 01:45:04,280
Speaker 2: of Zion Williamson, because I first of all, when everyone's

2048
01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:07,519
Speaker 2: saying that Wemby is the first guy that really has

2049
01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:12,639
Speaker 2: been considered the franchise guy since then, So Lebron, wow,

2050
01:45:12,760 --> 01:45:15,680
Speaker 2: you have a short memory because that was Zion Williamson.

2051
01:45:16,880 --> 01:45:18,680
Speaker 2: That was Zion. Like you know, when we're at the

2052
01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:21,320
Speaker 2: draft lottery and everything else, who's going to get Zion

2053
01:45:21,840 --> 01:45:22,360
Speaker 2: number one?

2054
01:45:23,280 --> 01:45:26,759
Speaker 1: They actually made it a generational challenges.

2055
01:45:27,040 --> 01:45:29,400
Speaker 2: First of all. First of all, remember now John Morant

2056
01:45:29,439 --> 01:45:32,160
Speaker 2: was in the same draft, right, but they were actually

2057
01:45:32,360 --> 01:45:37,600
Speaker 2: saying that on the broadcast, which, by the way, with

2058
01:45:37,720 --> 01:45:40,160
Speaker 2: all due respect, it was dreadful.

2059
01:45:40,920 --> 01:45:43,160
Speaker 1: I mean it was it's hard.

2060
01:45:43,240 --> 01:45:47,520
Speaker 2: I'm dreadful, and that's not a personal shot at any individual.

2061
01:45:48,680 --> 01:45:52,240
Speaker 2: Just the whole thing didn't work. You know, sometimes the

2062
01:45:52,360 --> 01:45:54,240
Speaker 2: sum of all the pieces is what you have to

2063
01:45:54,320 --> 01:45:57,880
Speaker 2: look at. It's not the individual pieces, because individually there

2064
01:45:57,920 --> 01:46:01,280
Speaker 2: were a lot of people that had some interes. You

2065
01:46:01,360 --> 01:46:04,040
Speaker 2: gotta have some kind of chemistry. And there was zero

2066
01:46:04,439 --> 01:46:08,920
Speaker 2: on that NBA Draft broadcast anyway, But they were saying

2067
01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:14,080
Speaker 2: that this is the first time in I don't know

2068
01:46:14,520 --> 01:46:18,400
Speaker 2: since Lebron that we had gone into the draft with

2069
01:46:18,680 --> 01:46:24,719
Speaker 2: a unanimous number one overall pick. And I'm thinking, I'm sorry,

2070
01:46:24,840 --> 01:46:28,640
Speaker 2: wasn't Anthony Davis the number one unanimous pick out of

2071
01:46:28,720 --> 01:46:31,120
Speaker 2: his one and down at Kentucky when he the national championship?

2072
01:46:31,360 --> 01:46:35,760
Speaker 2: Wasn't Zion? No, it was if Jean Moran was number two,

2073
01:46:36,640 --> 01:46:41,760
Speaker 2: Zion was everybody's number one. Who was Was anybody picking

2074
01:46:41,840 --> 01:46:45,240
Speaker 2: Jamran over Zion? No? Okay, So I don't know what

2075
01:46:45,320 --> 01:46:48,960
Speaker 2: they were talking about. So Zion's rookie season, he played

2076
01:46:49,040 --> 01:46:52,760
Speaker 2: twenty four games. The next year, he played sixty one,

2077
01:46:53,960 --> 01:46:57,719
Speaker 2: the next year zero, and this last year he played

2078
01:46:57,800 --> 01:47:03,240
Speaker 2: twenty nine games. His career numbers scoring twenty five point

2079
01:47:03,439 --> 01:47:08,639
Speaker 2: eight points per game, rebound, seven assists, three point six

2080
01:47:09,040 --> 01:47:14,120
Speaker 2: career field goal percentage sixty point five percent, and amazingly enough,

2081
01:47:14,200 --> 01:47:17,840
Speaker 2: his career three point percentage are very respectable thirty four

2082
01:47:17,960 --> 01:47:20,840
Speaker 2: point three percent. But let's get back to the fact

2083
01:47:20,880 --> 01:47:23,720
Speaker 2: that in four years he has played a total of

2084
01:47:23,800 --> 01:47:25,120
Speaker 2: one hundred and fourteen games.

2085
01:47:25,280 --> 01:47:27,240
Speaker 1: Played one hundred and fourteen games. But those numbers that

2086
01:47:27,320 --> 01:47:30,080
Speaker 1: you read off, that's less than thirty per rct. I mean, yes,

2087
01:47:30,240 --> 01:47:33,280
Speaker 1: but the numbers that you read off were very impressive, right, yeah, man,

2088
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:35,360
Speaker 1: when he played early in the year. When he played

2089
01:47:35,400 --> 01:47:37,720
Speaker 1: early in the year, I think New Orleans was it

2090
01:47:37,800 --> 01:47:40,280
Speaker 1: might have been the number one team when he was playing,

2091
01:47:40,320 --> 01:47:43,280
Speaker 1: and then he had an unfortunate hamstring injury that lingered.

2092
01:47:44,160 --> 01:47:46,599
Speaker 2: Okay, so then in the games that he has played,

2093
01:47:46,680 --> 01:47:49,360
Speaker 2: he has averaged twenty five point eight seven point zero,

2094
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:51,640
Speaker 2: three point six. You know what his numbers are in

2095
01:47:51,720 --> 01:47:56,519
Speaker 2: the games he hasn't played, has zero point zero, zero

2096
01:47:56,640 --> 01:48:02,000
Speaker 2: point zero and zero point zero of the numbers that

2097
01:48:02,120 --> 01:48:06,080
Speaker 2: he has posted in the games he hasn't played. Okay,

2098
01:48:06,360 --> 01:48:09,040
Speaker 2: So all right now, and so I get it, you know,

2099
01:48:09,200 --> 01:48:14,280
Speaker 2: because Velicans gave him a huge deal, huge contract. Let

2100
01:48:14,320 --> 01:48:16,439
Speaker 2: me let me get some of the specifics on that deal,

2101
01:48:16,640 --> 01:48:18,640
Speaker 2: because you want to make a deal so early. I

2102
01:48:18,760 --> 01:48:20,639
Speaker 2: was trying to make a deal with you to get

2103
01:48:20,720 --> 01:48:24,439
Speaker 2: Damian Lillard in a Heat uniform, and you passed when

2104
01:48:24,479 --> 01:48:28,360
Speaker 2: I dare bring up the name of Tyler Hero. All right,

2105
01:48:28,439 --> 01:48:30,599
Speaker 2: So here's what we're looking at right now in terms

2106
01:48:30,640 --> 01:48:37,320
Speaker 2: of Zion's contract. So Zion Williamson is making thirty three

2107
01:48:37,800 --> 01:48:40,519
Speaker 2: numbers are reasonable, okay, thirty three and a half in

2108
01:48:40,640 --> 01:48:44,439
Speaker 2: twenty four, thirty six, thirty nine. He has signed through

2109
01:48:44,479 --> 01:48:48,040
Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven seven for the next four years. Of course,

2110
01:48:48,120 --> 01:48:49,760
Speaker 2: he's been making this money for the last couple of

2111
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:52,720
Speaker 2: years and he hasn't played at all. So if you

2112
01:48:52,800 --> 01:48:56,080
Speaker 2: weren't willing to part with a Tyler Hero and three

2113
01:48:56,160 --> 01:48:57,880
Speaker 2: number ones and a couple of other.

2114
01:48:58,000 --> 01:48:59,479
Speaker 1: Guys, I would. I would do it. I would do

2115
01:48:59,520 --> 01:49:00,600
Speaker 1: it for you, would do it.

2116
01:49:00,680 --> 01:49:03,320
Speaker 2: For Zion because but you wouldn't do it for Damian Lillert.

2117
01:49:03,400 --> 01:49:05,120
Speaker 1: I would do it for Zion becu Zion is younger.

2118
01:49:05,479 --> 01:49:07,360
Speaker 1: As long as I don't have to part with bam Maudebayer,

2119
01:49:07,400 --> 01:49:07,800
Speaker 1: I would do it.

2120
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:10,000
Speaker 2: Because why are you ignoring his injuries?

2121
01:49:10,320 --> 01:49:13,200
Speaker 1: I'm not ignoring his injury. I'm not ignoring the fact

2122
01:49:13,240 --> 01:49:15,600
Speaker 1: that he's been injured but see what I'm saying, what

2123
01:49:15,680 --> 01:49:18,320
Speaker 1: I'm saying, what I'm saying, it's a different situation. There's

2124
01:49:18,320 --> 01:49:19,680
Speaker 1: so there's a couple of reasons why it would be

2125
01:49:19,720 --> 01:49:22,960
Speaker 1: different in Miami than in New Orleans. In New Orleans

2126
01:49:24,280 --> 01:49:26,240
Speaker 1: you don't have the czar up top that you have

2127
01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:29,559
Speaker 1: in pat Raley. You also don't have what is known

2128
01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:31,800
Speaker 1: as so we talk about heat culture in tag but

2129
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:36,720
Speaker 1: like a system of structure, order, discipline, and development. What

2130
01:49:37,240 --> 01:49:40,679
Speaker 1: Zion needs, obviously is a lot of discipline in detail.

2131
01:49:40,760 --> 01:49:43,240
Speaker 1: Never remember when Zion played his best who was a

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Speaker 1: coach stan Van Gundhi who demanded more from him. He

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Speaker 1: needs a more demanding programs in the program that he's

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Speaker 1: getting in New Orleans. That is what he needs.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, but we questioned this even when he came

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Speaker 2: into the NBA. When you're nineteen years old, nobody everybody's nineteen, right,

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Speaker 2: he was already at how tall is he really?

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Speaker 1: Sixty six six six seven and he was.

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Speaker 2: Already two hundred and seventy five pounds.

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Speaker 1: He's from where I'm from. He's from that's from the natural. See,

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Speaker 1: you have you ever spend any time in the South,

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Speaker 1: He's not gonna be But you ever spending time in

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Speaker 1: the South. You know, the fried chicken is like down

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Speaker 1: in the not everybody's you know what, the potato salad

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01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:26,960
Speaker 1: and macaroni and cheese that he's grubbing off. And then

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Speaker 1: you put him in New Orleans. They should have known

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Speaker 1: he was gonna blow up his body tight crawfish catuffe

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Speaker 1: and all that. But here's a recipe for disaster. Put

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Speaker 1: him in New Orleans. Down there a guy that likes

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Speaker 1: to eat down there in the cuisine capital of the world.

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Speaker 2: When he busted out of that shoe a duke, that's

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Speaker 2: when I knew that this guy, as insanely talented as

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Speaker 2: he is. I'm not questioning his talent in any way.

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Speaker 2: He's a freak of nature in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 2: But when I saw him bus out of that shoe,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, uh oh, because it's not sustainable. And I said,

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Speaker 2: if he's already naturally that size at age nineteen, imagine

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Speaker 2: like all of us, remember when you were nineteen, Bucky,

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Speaker 2: how about you weigh when you were nineteen years old.

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Speaker 1: Let's see him nineteen. So that's like my freshman sophone year.

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Speaker 1: I probably one hundred and eighty five pounds.

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Speaker 2: And you had a work to get to that one

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Speaker 2: eighty five.

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Speaker 1: I'll bet yeah, because I was one seventy three my

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Speaker 1: senior high school.

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Speaker 2: Yes right, I mean you had a warp to keep

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Speaker 2: that weight on. Yeah, remember those calorie days you had me?

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Speaker 1: Oh man, you can eat double burgers before you go

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Speaker 1: to practice.

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Speaker 2: And I have a twenty five year old son like

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Speaker 2: that who's always incredibly fit and everything else. The amount

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01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:42,280
Speaker 2: of food this guy puts down is just insane, like it,

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01:51:42,320 --> 01:51:44,760
Speaker 2: we'd kill every his brother's like I can't eat like that.

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Speaker 2: But he was naturally this big.

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Speaker 1: Like this is his size.

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Speaker 2: He's big bone, big bone, would call it. Whatever his structure.

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Speaker 2: All right, fine, so okay, so you're gonna give up

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Speaker 2: hero Caleb Martin Robin center Strus, one of those guys

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Speaker 2: and three numbers and three number ones for Zion Williamson.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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01:52:09,479 --> 01:52:13,240
Speaker 2: And you think that Spolstra and Riley can get this

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Speaker 2: guy in the straight and arrow and he can give

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Speaker 2: you sixty five plus games a year, yeah, every.

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Speaker 1: Year, because he needs he needs structure in this way.

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Speaker 1: He needs a little order in his life. Now he's

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Speaker 1: a new dad, perfect time to get him right now. Wow, you're.

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Speaker 2: I'm just when I hear New Orleans is shopping, I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm like, good luck, Who's who's making a deal.

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Speaker 1: You guys are so negative, so negative on the talent

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Speaker 1: one d and fourteen games. Fourteen games?

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Speaker 2: Can wait? Let me do the math again, the games

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Speaker 2: that he has missed. I remember my numbers are remember

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Speaker 2: zero points, zero points, zero point zero rebound, zero points

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Speaker 2: zero sist.

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Speaker 1: Hey, keav don't let don't let him. Don't let them

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Speaker 1: fit the way in between us, because you know who

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Speaker 1: else had this. You remember Bill Walton when he went

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Speaker 1: to Portland. That's before your time. But when he went

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Speaker 1: to Portland, Bill Walton was off into right. Yes, he

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01:53:00,840 --> 01:53:03,360
Speaker 1: was early on, early on offens you foot always his

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Speaker 1: first two years and he didn't do a whole lot.

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Speaker 1: He didn't do a whole lot. But then you know

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Speaker 1: what he did, Jack Ramsey, he went he went to Boston. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was a one year deal.

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Speaker 2: He went by the way, you man.

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Speaker 1: He averaged six Man of the Year seven points and

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Speaker 1: seven minor detail year. He had six Man of the

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Speaker 1: Year all right on the other six Man of the year.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, it's like fantasy Land.

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01:53:24,680 --> 01:53:26,080
Speaker 1: It really is talking about.

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Speaker 2: Back to reality. This is Fox Or Saturday. Ready for

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Speaker 2: me who has been contributing with about more Morny hammers.

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01:53:35,479 --> 01:53:38,880
Speaker 2: One down the up field line and that ball is gone.

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Speaker 2: It's a three run homer Freddy for Mean his fourth

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Speaker 2: home run and the Royals take the lead. Wow, Royals

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Speaker 2: Radio Network. Did the Royals actually win on the road

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01:53:50,760 --> 01:53:54,320
Speaker 2: against Tampa? They did. Royals just twenty two and fifty

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Speaker 2: five on the season, So there you go. And by

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Speaker 2: the way, Lyle's got the win. He was zero and eleven,

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Speaker 2: so now he's one and eleven. By the way, that's

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Speaker 2: dot Com Fox Sports Saturday. Once again, we're coming you

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Speaker 2: live from the ti Raq dot Com studios. I want

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Speaker 2: to thank our crew today. We've had an interesting day. Iowa.

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01:54:24,840 --> 01:54:27,360
Speaker 2: Sam was here. By the way, Bucky was just too

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01:54:27,479 --> 01:54:30,479
Speaker 2: busy to talk to me today, which is the norm

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01:54:30,560 --> 01:54:31,880
Speaker 2: with him. Now he just doesn't want.

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01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:32,200
Speaker 9: To talk to me.

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01:54:32,440 --> 01:54:33,000
Speaker 2: Chris comes in.

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Speaker 1: He speaks to me.

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Speaker 2: Chris, by the way, you were out at the us opening,

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01:54:36,560 --> 01:54:40,720
Speaker 2: you had glowing reports about the LACC. Well, it was

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01:54:40,800 --> 01:54:41,520
Speaker 2: a nice course.

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Speaker 8: I've liked the golf a lot, and I think part

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01:54:44,240 --> 01:54:46,640
Speaker 8: of that was enhanced by having an open bar available

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Speaker 8: to me because my dad was out there as a

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Speaker 8: USGA official.

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Speaker 2: But open bar makes everyone's golf experience better. Oh you're playing,

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01:54:55,280 --> 01:54:59,480
Speaker 2: whether you're watching, golf and alcohol go.

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01:54:59,560 --> 01:55:00,920
Speaker 1: Together big time.

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01:55:01,440 --> 01:55:03,240
Speaker 2: But yeah, it got it got fussed.

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01:55:03,000 --> 01:55:03,960
Speaker 1: On me, so very good.

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01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:05,560
Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad you. I never got out there. I've

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01:55:05,640 --> 01:55:08,440
Speaker 2: never been on Think about this, I have essentially lived

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01:55:08,480 --> 01:55:11,040
Speaker 2: here my whole life outside of time I spent in

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01:55:11,160 --> 01:55:14,680
Speaker 2: San Diego, and I have never been there. Obviously, you

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Speaker 2: have to be invited, you have to have some kind

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01:55:16,920 --> 01:55:20,680
Speaker 2: of super inclusive favor to step foot on that la CC.

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Speaker 8: Your income has to at least be from what I understand,

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01:55:23,600 --> 01:55:25,480
Speaker 8: like well over six figures too.

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Speaker 2: Actually, rich Ornberger's wife's family are in the golf business,

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Speaker 2: so he was there. He went by himself, s hanging out.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I ran into friendly from here, but I didn't

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Speaker 8: I know there was other people up there. I missed

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01:55:38,160 --> 01:55:39,760
Speaker 8: them a lot, But yeah.

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01:55:39,720 --> 01:55:42,600
Speaker 2: I never got out there. Next time, kfig came by

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01:55:42,680 --> 01:55:44,680
Speaker 2: today and was just like, wow, Kevin Figures is in

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01:55:44,800 --> 01:55:50,720
Speaker 2: the house. Normally he's on the overnights and then Bo Bo,

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01:55:53,000 --> 01:55:57,600
Speaker 2: where's our producer? He's on the IR report. It was

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01:55:57,640 --> 01:55:59,480
Speaker 2: a bad sign when Bo came in with the mask.

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01:55:59,520 --> 01:56:03,000
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, aren't the past days over? He was a

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01:56:03,040 --> 01:56:05,240
Speaker 2: little under the weather, so we excused him for the

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Speaker 2: rest of the day. So thanks all their help today.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I've been checking out my Twitter account.

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01:56:11,640 --> 01:56:14,240
Speaker 2: As you know, I never tweet, but people use my

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01:56:14,320 --> 01:56:18,680
Speaker 2: Twitter account to tell me what they're thinking. Some people

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01:56:18,800 --> 01:56:21,920
Speaker 2: now think that I'm definitely on the bandwagon as far

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01:56:22,000 --> 01:56:24,400
Speaker 2: as the Heat because they now have Hami Hawk as

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01:56:24,480 --> 01:56:27,640
Speaker 2: junior a little bit because I'm a huge HAWKASZ fan,

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01:56:27,760 --> 01:56:29,880
Speaker 2: one of the great Bruins of all time. I'm so

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01:56:30,360 --> 01:56:33,880
Speaker 2: excited that a guy that actually played four years of

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01:56:34,000 --> 01:56:36,520
Speaker 2: college could still be a top twenty pick in the

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01:56:36,640 --> 01:56:40,800
Speaker 2: NBA draft. That's rare, very rare. It's almost like, what's

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01:56:40,840 --> 01:56:42,720
Speaker 2: wrong with you if you play four years of college?

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01:56:43,040 --> 01:56:44,800
Speaker 2: So he's a Heat. They got themselves a hell of

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01:56:44,840 --> 01:56:48,680
Speaker 2: a player. One guy was saying, Hey, Harvin, why so

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01:56:48,760 --> 01:56:52,840
Speaker 2: much hate for the Suns. I think Beal's an excellent edition. However,

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Speaker 2: the Sun's lack of depth or lack of depth concerns me. Well,

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01:56:56,960 --> 01:57:00,440
Speaker 2: that's that's why we have a problem. Yeah, you've got great,

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01:57:00,520 --> 01:57:04,839
Speaker 2: three phenomenal scorers in Durant, Booker, and Bial.

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Speaker 1: But what about the rest of the team. Are you

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01:57:06,680 --> 01:57:10,160
Speaker 1: an Aighton fan at all? I mean, he's fine, he doesn't,

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01:57:10,160 --> 01:57:12,360
Speaker 1: he doesn't. He isn't mood a needle for me. He's fine,

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01:57:12,440 --> 01:57:15,400
Speaker 1: like it if they lost him, it wouldn't affect me.

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01:57:15,440 --> 01:57:17,680
Speaker 1: He's big, he's athletic, but I mean he comes and

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01:57:17,760 --> 01:57:19,480
Speaker 1: goes in terms of like being locked down.

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Speaker 2: But this is a team that two years ago, what

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01:57:21,280 --> 01:57:24,960
Speaker 2: sixty four games. Yeah, they had a nice balance of

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01:57:25,160 --> 01:57:28,640
Speaker 2: talent did and but I just don't I don't.

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Speaker 1: Understand this trio. I mean they all do the exact

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01:57:31,640 --> 01:57:33,840
Speaker 1: same thing. Yeah, I mean, I don't think they are

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Speaker 1: a better team or a better version of the one

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01:57:36,720 --> 01:57:39,280
Speaker 1: that we saw a couple of years ago or even

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01:57:39,440 --> 01:57:43,040
Speaker 1: earlier this year. They don't they don't defend, and so

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01:57:43,280 --> 01:57:46,040
Speaker 1: this group will score, but they can't defend, and they

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01:57:46,080 --> 01:57:48,320
Speaker 1: don't have as much depth as they had previously.

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Speaker 2: And then one of our listeners said this, Lillard ends

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Speaker 2: up in the three to zero five soon and Miami

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Speaker 2: will be champs next season. So not buying into yours

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Speaker 2: z Ion over Damion choice.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying I would take Zion if Zion is

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01:58:04,520 --> 01:58:07,120
Speaker 1: on the market and you can get them, we're rolling,

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01:58:07,400 --> 01:58:08,400
Speaker 1: we're rolling.

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Speaker 2: So you you're if the trades were of equal value

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Speaker 2: in terms of what you have to return to get

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Speaker 2: the talent, you would take Zion. Yeah, I'm going big

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01:58:19,360 --> 01:58:20,960
Speaker 2: over Damian Lillard, going big.

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Speaker 1: Over the little because that was the biggest issue, the

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Speaker 1: big issue. They didn't have enough size and now that

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Speaker 1: Zion is a like a big in terms of a

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01:58:27,920 --> 01:58:30,400
Speaker 1: seven footer, but they needed more girth, more weight so

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01:58:30,480 --> 01:58:32,040
Speaker 1: they can put their bodies on them. Because when they

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01:58:32,080 --> 01:58:34,480
Speaker 1: got into the postseason, the Boston Celtics were a bigger

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Speaker 1: team than them, and then the Denver Nuggets were a

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01:58:37,160 --> 01:58:39,160
Speaker 1: bigger team and it caused them problems. Well, now if

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Speaker 1: you put Zion on the floor with Bam, it now

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01:58:42,960 --> 01:58:45,560
Speaker 1: reverses the matchup and it makes the opponent have to

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Speaker 1: deal with either Zion's size and girth and his talent,

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Speaker 1: or you have to deal with Bam. And Jimmy Butler

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Speaker 1: and dose things. So it's to me it's a harder

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Speaker 1: guard than if you put Dame Lilid up there.

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Speaker 2: All right. So, now that we've had the NBA Draft

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Speaker 2: and really a flurry of trade activity, with obviously Damian

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Speaker 2: Lillard still out there, Zion still out there, is there

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Speaker 2: any team that you think can make an addition that

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Speaker 2: makes the roster wise better than the Denver Nuggets.

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Speaker 1: Better than the Nuggets. No, there's no way that can

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Speaker 1: make a roster edition that will make them better. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you can maybe close the gap to Celtics, I mean,

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01:59:29,600 --> 01:59:31,440
Speaker 1: talent wise, maybe they closed it a little bit, but

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01:59:31,480 --> 01:59:34,040
Speaker 1: they don't have enough toughness to deal with the Nuggets

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01:59:34,400 --> 01:59:37,040
Speaker 1: the Miami Heat, Like even if they get Dame, they

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01:59:37,080 --> 01:59:39,160
Speaker 1: don't have enough size to deal with what the Nuggets

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Speaker 1: can put on the So it's tough, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, Bucky. So there we do as we do every Saturday,

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01:59:43,640 --> 01:59:46,880
Speaker 2: giving you a little thought from us. Don't worry though,

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Speaker 2: even though we're leaving more to come here on Fox

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Speaker 2: Sports Radio