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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we

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Speaker 1: are going to be talking about Food Network star and

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Speaker 1: Burrel's unexpected death. We also have a couple of true

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Speaker 1: crime stories involving men who kill their partners, a new

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Speaker 1: Netflix documentary that explores bizarre and revolting events in recent history,

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Speaker 1: and hundreds of dead infants that may be inside of

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Speaker 1: a septic tank. All that and more on today's episode.

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Speaker 1: Always unusual stuff we got going on here on our show,

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Speaker 1: Always all Right. So, yeah, this was a little bit

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Speaker 1: shocking to hear about Ann Burrell's death.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, she's only fifty five years old. I

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Speaker 2: definitely think it rocked the chef community. I mean I've

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Speaker 2: been seeing every celebrity chef, Bobby Flay, Rachel Ray, everyone's

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Speaker 2: posting about her passing. So basically, Tuesday morning, right before

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Speaker 2: eight o'clock, her husband found her unresponsive on the shower floor,

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Speaker 2: called nine one one, and she was pronounced dead. Right now,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't there's not a clear cut answer as to

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Speaker 2: what happened, but there's been speculation there was lots of

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Speaker 2: pills around her. That's unclear if that contributed to the

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Speaker 2: death or what happened. But your pet peeve is that

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Speaker 2: they've reported it as cardiac arists.

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Speaker 1: So well, I don't know. I don't think the news

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Speaker 1: really puts across what they hear from the fire department.

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Speaker 1: That that's my personal opinion because they it seems like

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Speaker 1: from what I've been reading that they responded. So the

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Speaker 1: FDMI responded to a cardiac arrest, which means that someone's

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Speaker 1: heart stopped. Okay, so that's fine, but that's not how

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Speaker 1: she died, because everyone dies when their heart stops, you know,

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Speaker 1: that's how That's how everyone dies. So it does. It

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Speaker 1: does kind of like I don't I don't even know

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Speaker 1: why they say it out loud. It's it's her. It's

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Speaker 1: so irritating. But yeah, so they'll do an autopsy on

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Speaker 1: her to figure out what happened because we don't know

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Speaker 1: because a lot of especially people that are famous or

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Speaker 1: high profile, they don't tell all about their medical history.

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Speaker 1: So she could have been having some medical issues, she

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Speaker 1: could have been having psychological issues. I honestly think that

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Speaker 1: she does because of did you see you remember Duff

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Speaker 1: from charm City Cakes? Did you read his I didn't

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Speaker 1: read his all right, because let let me read it

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Speaker 1: to you because I have it here. I read it

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Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, that's weird. It just was

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Speaker 1: flag to me. Maybe that's just my opinion, But he

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Speaker 1: said there was. It was really long. I'm not going

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Speaker 1: friends in two thousand and six, and it said quote,

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Speaker 1: she was going through some stuff. And I heard she

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Speaker 1: was taking a trip from New York to Baltimore, and

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Speaker 1: I made her a cake that said, don't let that

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Speaker 1: be blank win She never did, and I'm assuming the

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Speaker 1: blank is it's a curse of some sort. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what else would it be.

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Speaker 2: Well, but like say that was recently, because I don't

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Speaker 2: think he I think he's saying that was.

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Speaker 1: When they met. No, I know, but he said stuff like, oh,

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Speaker 1: she was going through some stuff. And then so then

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Speaker 1: later on he said that he lost touch with her

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Speaker 1: for whatever reason, and they saw each other again, and

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Speaker 1: like something like that. So it seems like she was

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Speaker 1: having at some point went through a really rough patch

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Speaker 1: of her life, and he was kind of saying that

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Speaker 1: some point she was dealing with something. And of course,

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Speaker 1: like obviously all of the pills at the scene that

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Speaker 1: that remember Gene Hackman's Yeah, Geene Hackman's wife died.

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Speaker 2: They grasp onto any little thing they can to try

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Speaker 2: to be like, oh, look at what happened here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So I mean, what we do know is that,

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Speaker 1: at least from what's being reported anyway, that the husband

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Speaker 1: apparently last saw her alive at like one o'clock in

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Speaker 2: So, but I wonder if this is going to end

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Speaker 2: up becoming like a Bob Sagoth thing where she fell

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be like she could have fell and

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Speaker 1: tilot all and she had a brain bleed and collapsed right,

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Speaker 1: and then all the pills spilled. It could be anything

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Speaker 1: see if it was a prescription she was on. And

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Speaker 1: they look at the date on the prescription bottle and

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Speaker 1: do toxicology on her. They would do it anyway, just

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Speaker 1: So she's going to get toxicology done. But when they

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Speaker 1: So they would see that at autopsy right away, and

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Speaker 1: looks like she had a ruptured aortic aneurysm, but we're

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Speaker 1: still waiting for toxicology to complete it. So they haven't

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Speaker 2: I think people are just really shocked because she had

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Speaker 2: You can go from being happy to not very quickly,

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Speaker 2: so you don't know what happened.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and when it's I mean, you really want to

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Speaker 1: way different relationship with your friends and what your friends

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Speaker 1: And and like you said, this happens. I'm sure anyone

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Speaker 1: Other times you're like, Okay, I'm not surprised, but people

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Speaker 1: not too young. Like that's that happens to people all

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Speaker 2: I just feel like if you heard, like, oh, a

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Speaker 2: so I understand that. But a fifty five year old

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Speaker 1: It's it's terrible, it's terrible to think about. But she

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent could have had a medical event like that,

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Speaker 1: and see. There's not much more we could say about

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Speaker 2: So this guy and his wife were reported missing last

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Speaker 2: week in North Carolina, but days later he was found

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Speaker 1: The weirdest part of this story is that they said

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the size of these plastic containers are.

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Speaker 1: Are they like the tupperware bins you put your Christmas

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Speaker 1: your food in? Like I don't know. That's when I was.

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Speaker 2: Picturing, like, you know, like those little containers with the

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Speaker 1: Thank you, fear. Well, I'd rather you be worrying about

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Speaker 1: Let's say it's either gonna be Momm's gonna poop her pants,

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Speaker 1: We're probably gonna have to have Laura takeover because because

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Speaker 2: Everybody that could take it up, well, Lara would actually

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Speaker 2: So, either the boat's gonna disappear in the Bermuda Triangle

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Speaker 2: A hundred persons it twenty thirteen. I believe I'd one

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Speaker 1: So I saw that there was there was a lawsuit

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Speaker 1: But she was like, I wasn't physically injured. I was

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Speaker 1: where you're supposed to be and you could get trapped

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00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 1: somewhere or whatever. I don't know what about.

436
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,879
Speaker 2: The morg refrigerator, because I would it said there's no refrigeration,

437
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 2: so so what if somebody had died?

438
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 1: So they had backup generators apparently, and that was This

439
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 1: is another thing I wanted to bring up. This was

440
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 1: a Carnival cruise by the way, which were not going

441
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 1: on luckily, but not that not that that matters because

442
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 1: they're probably all the same. But anyway, the carnival crews

443
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,880
Speaker 1: when they did the investigation, they found out that they

444
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 1: had six generators on the on the boat, but like

445
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 1: they knew that only four of them were working. It's

446
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,680
Speaker 1: like a hindsight of Titanic. Oh, we knew there wasn't

447
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 1: enough lifeboats for people. It was like, so why go?

448
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 1: So they went. There was a bunch of different safety

449
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 1: rules that were broken. Apparently there was a fire before

450
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 1: in the same place and like you know, just like

451
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 1: all the stuff, so they knew that it was gonna

452
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 1: happen the worst. We we have to like look into

453
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 1: this more because we just did a quick like little

454
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 1: research on it. But I bet I'm wondering, like what

455
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 1: they offered people, because wasn't it recently that maybe it

456
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 1: was like the Air Alaska one where the door flew

457
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 1: off or something that they they offered you, like a

458
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,439
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred dollars credit or something like it was something

459
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 1: so insulting, absolutely or the one that turned upside down

460
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 1: on the runway. It was like one of those.

461
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 2: It was, I believe it was the one where the

462
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 2: door flew off, but absolutely not enough, because I'm sorry,

463
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 2: the door flies off when you're in the middle of

464
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 2: the sky like that, and.

465
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 1: Then then you like you're in a situation where really

466
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 1: terrible things could start happening when there's human shit that's

467
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 1: not going into suit into a sewage system.

468
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,439
Speaker 2: That's what I was just gonna ask you. I know

469
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 2: that woman says she wasn't physically injured, but is this

470
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 2: not hazardous to be breathing this stuff in?

471
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 1: It's not hazardous to breathe it in, but to but

472
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 1: having fecal material anywhere near people that are can either

473
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 1: touch it. This one lady said that she was like

474
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 1: walking through human shit and like sliding through it. But

475
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 1: then it's like on your foot, and then you go

476
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 1: and scratch your foot and then all of a sudden,

477
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: it's under your finger now, and then you go to

478
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 1: eat a sandwich and then all of a sudden, it's

479
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: your mouth. Like this is why, like some parts of

480
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 1: India that don't have plumbing, it's the infections run rampant

481
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 1: across people because because they don't have proper sewage. It's

482
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: it's really really bad. I mean it was only four days,

483
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 1: so like the real problems didn't start yet, but it

484
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just disturbing and you don't ever want

485
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 1: to smell someone else's shit. It's just terrible.

486
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 2: Are you also now contemplating backing rain boots just in case, yes,

487
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 2: a emodium mayde Oh my god, Like people were looking

488
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 2: like that, just the way they describe it.

489
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 1: I want to watch this, actually, maybe we should watch it.

490
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,199
Speaker 1: On the trip, people were described, we're already talk about it,

491
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 1: we already know it, Like why not? People were describing

492
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 1: that like they were looking for toilets that weren't filmed

493
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: to the brim to take a shit in, Like think

494
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 1: about that.

495
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 2: You're also joking about saving this documentary for when we're

496
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 2: on the boat. But I'm sitting here like this lady's movie.

497
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 2: Itinerary for family movie, and it's gonna be besided Titanic,

498
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 2: it's merciful, the poop cruise documentary. Why not just torture

499
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 2: yourself psychologically while you're on the boat. You're not in

500
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 2: charge of family activities. I'm sorry, we have to draw

501
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 2: the line here, all right. This story is absolutely crazy.

502
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 2: So in Ireland there's this historian named Catherine corlis So.

503
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 2: Years ago she had been going through records for a

504
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 2: home for unwed mothers and in her research she found

505
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 2: that nearly eight hundred infants had been recorded as dying

506
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 2: between nineteen twenty five and nineteen sixty one at this place,

507
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 2: but only two had official burial records. So of course

508
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 2: the question is is where are the other bodies?

509
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: So I guess the concern was they're not so much

510
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 1: thinking that it was shady. For the most part, they

511
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: said the most frequent cause of death was respiratory infections, gestroonorritis, prematurity,

512
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 1: whooping cough, tuberculosis and things like that, so they weren't

513
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 1: really saying it was shady like how they all died,

514
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: because again Maria said it was between nineteen twenty five

515
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: and nineteen sixty one. I mean to an extent, because

516
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 1: I think the women there were not treated super great.

517
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 1: So there's a possibility that not that they were murdered,

518
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 1: but maybe that some of the babies died from like

519
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: malnutrition and stuff like that.

520
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 2: Well, you have to think it was run by a church,

521
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 2: and it was for women that were pregnant and not

522
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 2: married during a time where that was highly unacceptable in society.

523
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 2: So these women went there and were treated like ash.

524
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 1: No, they never treat people like shit. Come on, you

525
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: are full of shit saying that, okay, But regardless like

526
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: they they don't. They're not really investigating that. They're just

527
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 1: kind of like, where are all these babies? So I

528
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 1: just don't really understand how they decided that they were

529
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: possibly in this old septic tank.

530
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think they necessarily knew they were in

531
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 2: a septic tank. I believe the historian had a theory

532
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 2: that they were buried in unmarked graves on the property.

533
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 2: And then so she published this finding in twenty fourteen,

534
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 2: and she said for years everybody treated her like she

535
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 2: was crazy, tried to ostracize her from society. Of course,

536
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 2: because the church can do no wrong, are we right?

537
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 2: So then in twenty seventeen, after much public scrutiny, they

538
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 2: finally did a test excavation and found that in fact,

539
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 2: her theories were true. So as of this week now

540
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 2: they're beginning the excavation. I don't know why it took

541
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 2: almost ten years to start it, but they believe it's

542
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 2: going to take about two years. But so I think

543
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 2: in general they think about seven hundred and ninety six

544
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 2: infant rooms are in this septic tank.

545
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: On the property. Yeah, and that I mean that just

546
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: that that was a really long time ago, So it's

547
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: not it's not going to be what you think it's

548
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 1: going to be. Now. The conditions underground would be like

549
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: could be potentially preserving the bodies a little bit more.

550
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: It just depends if they were embombed, like how they

551
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: were placed in there or whatever. So it's gonna be

552
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: interesting what they come across. Honestly, is that not.

553
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 2: Like a crazy amount of deaths. So I want to

554
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 2: do the math right now.

555
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: But if they're saying it's diphtheria and and and they

556
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: were all living in close quarters in tuberculosis, especially I

557
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: during that time, I don't I don't think.

558
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 2: It's twenty two deaths a year of just the children,

559
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: but they were living there.

560
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: But if they were living in close quarters and TB

561
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: like it's just going to go around so and and

562
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: and dip theory all of these pertessis all of this stuff,

563
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: like there's there's a lot of stuff here that were

564
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: like thinking that were very contagious diseases that people got

565
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: back in the day like that.

566
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 2: So yeah, they said it was ranging from infants to

567
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: three year old.

568
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: So to a point, I mean, how many people lived there,

569
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: I don't know that that's the thing if you're saying

570
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: it's twenty two a year, but but it I mean

571
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: if there was only if there was only thirty women there,

572
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: that's like it's a lot.

573
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 2: But if it was one hundred, I don't know, you

574
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 2: know what I mean, I don't know. I just think

575
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 2: it's kind of a lot. I understand that they could

576
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: prove for maybe they theorize that most of it was

577
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 2: due to natural diseases. I just think it's a crazy

578
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 2: high number, and especially that there wasn't some system in

579
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 2: place that they had to have official burial records. But

580
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,719
Speaker 2: to a point you brought up earlier so when they

581
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 2: excavate all these remains, how are they going to identify

582
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 2: what's what from the same body?

583
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: It's not so many. Well, I guess they're going to

584
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: do I guess they have people's names and they're going

585
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: to do DNA tests on them. And that's nuts. It

586
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: is nuts. All right, Let's do a lot of questions

587
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: in the day.

588
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 2: Every Friday, the at mother knows that Instagram account, you

589
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 2: guys could head over to our story and ask whatever

590
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: you want. First, when a full term baby dies before birth,

591
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: does the baby go into full rigor mortis? Does it

592
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 2: make delivery harder?

593
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: All right? I have to tell you guys that this

594
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: I have just spent two hours today trying to figure

595
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: this out for you because it's a really good question

596
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: and I want to know the answer as well. So

597
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: I not only with my own personal experience, but I

598
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: also contacted my friend Jamie, who is a labor and

599
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: delivery nurse. And I also contacted my friend Christy, who

600
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: does autopsy specifically on fetus as an infant. She works

601
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: at pediatric hospital. So with all of this knowledge together,

602
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you what we've come up with.

603
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: So and the reason that I that I ask is

604
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: because I would only get an infant that died in

605
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: utero or a fetus. The only time that I've ever

606
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: seen them a still birth would be if they were

607
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: usually macerated, which means that when a fetus dies in

608
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,239
Speaker 1: the wound, they're inside of amnionic fluid. So they have

609
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: a very specific appearance when they start to decompose because

610
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: they when they die, they're in water and their skin

611
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: isn't developed all the way as it would be like

612
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: an adult or even a child. So there's all these

613
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: different factors to take into consideration. But usually when there's

614
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: a still birth, the mother will notice that there's a

615
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: decrease of fetal activity, and then that's why they tell you,

616
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: especially the further along you get, you should be feeling

617
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: the baby move every so often, and if you don't,

618
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: you should go get that checked out. And by that time,

619
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: if it is, in fact the baby has died in utero,

620
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: when you get to the doctor, it's already been hours

621
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: since the baby it has been dead inside of this fluid.

622
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: And then by the time they get you in and

623
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: schedule the procedure and have you either give birth or

624
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: to take it out. However, they decide to do that,

625
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: it's some when we get the fetus at that point,

626
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: it's macerated, so it means that it's it's been dead

627
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: and decomposing in this amniotic fluid for quite some time,

628
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: which means they've already been dead, way longer than there

629
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: would ever be signs of rigor present anyway. So when

630
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: I talked to my friend Jamie, she and the reason

631
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to her is because she she's

632
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: experiencing it like straight out of the vagina, right, She's

633
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: like with the patients that are dealing with this, And

634
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: she said that in her whole career, and she's very

635
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: well experienced nurse, that she hasn't seen that or known

636
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: of that to be a problem. And the same thing

637
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: with Crisper. She said that she has never seen it

638
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: in a fetus and has never seen rigor mortis in

639
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: a fetus. I have never seen it in a fetus

640
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: in surgical pathology as well, but she said she has

641
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: seen it in an infant before that lived and was

642
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: out of the womb for a while, so that's something

643
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: to take into consideration. So then I found this this

644
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: textbook from nineteen oh four, which is old as hell,

645
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: But it's really interesting because it's describing The paper is

646
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: titled rigor mortis and Stillborn Children, so this is exactly

647
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: what we're talking about here. And this physician that has

648
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: experienced delivering a midwife that has delivered a lot of

649
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: babies said that they have experienced it in a fetus rarely,

650
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: but have to the point where it could cause some

651
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Speaker 1: problems with delivery. But this doctor has also said that

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Speaker 1: they never have seen it in a fetus younger and

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Speaker 1: seven to eight months old, and which is something to

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Speaker 1: consider because when you consider stillborn, it's usually over twenty

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Speaker 1: weeks of pregnancy, so seven to eight months would be

656
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Speaker 1: like twenty eight weeks plus to you know, seven twenty

657
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Speaker 1: eight to like thirty two weeks, right, So there's that

658
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Speaker 1: time period where you probably shouldn't see it at all.

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Speaker 1: So with all that information, I would say that it

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Speaker 1: is possible that it happens, but usually by the time

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Speaker 1: a mother realizes that she's having a stillborn, it's already

662
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Speaker 1: past the point of that and they're not going to

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Speaker 1: have it like in adulthood, so it's usually not experienced,

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Speaker 1: but it could be. One of the things cited in

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Speaker 1: that book was that it was a mom that just

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Speaker 1: last had fetal movements five hours prior. So sometimes it

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Speaker 1: just depends when it's caught. But in that particular situation,

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Speaker 1: the doctor did see that there was some difficulty delivering

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Speaker 1: because it was not dead that long. Does that make sense? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: All right? Too, when an autopsy is requested by authorities,

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Speaker 2: if foul play is suspected but the family is against it,

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Speaker 2: what happens This is a good question too. Actually, So.

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Speaker 1: If somebody dies and this happen. This happens often because

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Speaker 1: people have religious request and people just don't want their

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Speaker 1: family member to get an autopsy, like I personally wouldn't

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Speaker 1: unless it had to actually be done. So they will

677
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Speaker 1: try to respect as much as possible, but especially if

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Speaker 1: it's a homicide, forget it. Like if you have if

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Speaker 1: you get called and some one of your family members

680
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Speaker 1: was in a car accident and it was pretty clear

681
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Speaker 1: what happened, and you beg them and say please, please please,

682
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Speaker 1: and they say, okay, well maybe we could just check

683
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Speaker 1: their head because it looks like they had a head injury.

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Speaker 1: They might do like a limitation on the autopsy. They

685
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: do as much as possible, and they try as much

686
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Speaker 1: as possible to respect the family, but at the same

687
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Speaker 1: time they have to do it because it's a medical

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Speaker 1: legal investigation. So those the medical examiner is kind of

689
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Speaker 1: is the law is the police, like they they have

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Speaker 1: jurisdiction over the body, so they could figure out what happened, because,

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Speaker 1: especially in homicide cases, and we see this with the

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Speaker 1: Karen Reid right, like, the autopsy super important and the

693
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Speaker 1: information that comes from the autopsy is sometimes what is

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Speaker 1: the information that's needed to convict the person. So if

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Speaker 1: they don't have that information, then a person that killed

696
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Speaker 1: the person could could go free because of that. So

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Speaker 1: they will try their hardest. But in some cases it

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter how much you beg and cry like you

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Speaker 1: you don't have a choice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So basically the medical examiner could overrule anything. Yeah determined,

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Speaker 2: they are gonna do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but if like in a hospital autopsy for example,

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Speaker 1: we have to get permission from the nextican to do it,

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Speaker 1: and if you don't, if you don't want us to

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Speaker 1: do it, like we're not legally like not allowed to

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Speaker 1: touch the body. So it's just like a totally different thing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, last, have you ever done an appearance in a

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Speaker 2: documentary or have you ever been on TV? You were

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Speaker 2: on that episode of Oddity.

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Speaker 1: I was on two episodes of Oddities. I don't even

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Speaker 1: know what the episodes are.

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Speaker 2: And it was like in twenty thirteen, Like I don't

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Speaker 2: even know if you could find them. Still, it was

714
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Speaker 2: such a long time ago.

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Speaker 1: Now, wait twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was before you had lilian No.

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Speaker 1: It was it had to be before. It had to

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Speaker 1: be before that. I seefore I am I'm pregnant with

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Speaker 1: Lilian No. I know.

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Speaker 2: I think you filmed it in twenty twelve, but it

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Speaker 2: aired in twenty thirteen or.

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Speaker 1: Twenty eleven even maybe, Like it was a long time ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a while.

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Speaker 1: Like I feel like my hair was still dyed black.

725
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: Such a long time ago. But were you ever on

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Speaker 1: anything else? I don't think so. I was trying to think,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't think so. Like I've done

728
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: a bunch of articles and stuff, but I don't think

729
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: I've ever done I mean, like the Vice documentary.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a Vice thing and that was a

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Speaker 2: long time ago too. That was like what twenty fourteen. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you were on Oddities before you even had Instagram. Yeah,

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00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 2: that was nuts. So yeah, I mean, we're I wouldn't

734
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Speaker 2: mind doing like a like if we got interviewed for

735
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Speaker 2: like a documentary type, you know, it's like a talking

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Speaker 2: head for a couple of minutes or something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny because I was thinking, like all the

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Speaker 1: times that we've had cameras in the house, and it's

739
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: like the you know, the four hundred times people tell

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Speaker 1: us that they want us to have a TV show

741
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Speaker 1: and we like actually entertained that for a minute, and

742
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: then it was an idea. It never they never have

743
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Speaker 1: an idea. It never happened. So but we've done so

744
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: many like sizzles and this and that and whatever.

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Speaker 2: But and even though I feel like i'd pass out,

746
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Speaker 2: I really want to be on watch what Happens Live

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Speaker 2: as a bartender.

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Speaker 1: Why would you put out it out? I think I'd

749
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Speaker 1: just get so flustered. I get flustered because I don't

750
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: even know. I wouldn't even know how to make any drink.

751
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 2: I'd be like, well, you don't have to really make

752
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 2: a drink. You just kind of stand in the court.

753
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 2: They have two guests on that are usually like the

754
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 2: Bravo celeberty or like a comedian that's super into Bravo

755
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 2: shows to talk about whatever aired that night, and then

756
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 2: the people at the bar are usually like podcasters, people

757
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 2: that wrote a book or like John Mayer's just doing

758
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 2: it all the time now, but him and Andy Coh

759
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 2: and her best friends. But I went to a taping

760
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, and it's so fast, like

761
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 2: they just go right through it. And the one I

762
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 2: went to was not live, even though it's called watch there.

763
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 2: Some of them are live, but it's it's very quick

764
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 2: pace and where I feel like I'd get flustered because

765
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Speaker 2: the second he's like turns to you and it's your

766
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 2: time to answer, Like there's one shot and that's it.

767
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: Doing shit live is like really a whole other art. Yeah.

768
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Speaker 1: When when I think about like when I was a kid,

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Speaker 1: like Cheers or something, it'll say, like filmed in front

770
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: of a live studio audience, Like could you imagine like

771
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: doing that in front of an audience like live like that,

772
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: it's just all the lines and being scared you're gonna

773
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 1: screw up, and they're they're really they're so good. It's

774
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: like it's so talented, you know. Yeah, it's just different

775
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: when you when you have eyes looking on you like that.

776
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, I exactly because like right now, like we're

777
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 2: both in the privacy of our own home and it's

778
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 2: still I get flustered and I trip up on myself

779
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 2: a lot, and that's the power of editing.

780
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 1: But I know, but this right now is so much different,

781
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 1: even though with the podcast, Like right now I'm tactically

782
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: standing up in front of way more people that would

783
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: ever sit in an auditorium, Like it's way more nerve

784
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 1: wracking to it in front of you know, one twenty

785
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: fifth of that amount of people. Well, it's just like scary,

786
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: you know, it's so different. And like you know, when

787
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: we when we've.

788
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 2: Been guests on other podcasts, I feel totally comfortable and

789
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 2: fine because it's basically the same setup we're doing right now.

790
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 2: But when we were on Doctor Drew Live and when

791
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 2: we were on even Lauren Show Live, I get that

792
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 2: like rush of adrenaline, like I hope I don't mess

793
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,240
Speaker 2: up or I don't sound like a total babbling idiot,

794
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 2: because this is it.

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Speaker 1: It's like sound we sound like babbling idiots with a

796
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:36,240
Speaker 1: lot of practice.

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00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 2: Totally, Yeah, I guess, I guess we're open to doing

798
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 2: stuff like that. But it's just it's crazy. It was

799
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 2: that long ago that you were on nine NMES. I

800
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 2: was trying to think of it all right.

801
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Speaker 1: So guys, just make sure you stay tuned for another

802
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: episode this week of us going over the Karen Ree case,

803
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: because even if you think you know everything about it,

804
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: I want you to hear what I have to say

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00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: about the autopsy findings. And so we'll go through that

806
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: well with a fine tooth comb, and then we'll talk

807
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: a little bit about our thoughts on it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and don't forget to buy tickets to the Atlanta

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Speaker 2: Meet and greet or the.

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Speaker 1: Crime being nervous in front of live people.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I didn't even think about that. Yeah, seriously.

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Speaker 2: So we have the Atlanta Meet and Greet and the

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Speaker 2: Crime and Wine at the Georgia's Writer Museum. The meet

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Speaker 1: Say you next time. Thank you for listening to Mother

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Speaker 1: Nos Death. As a reminder, my training is as a

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Speaker 1: pathologist assistant. I have a master's level education and specialize

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