Speaker 1: Welcome to the Rogue Recap. Hot takes, cold facts, and
Speaker 1: zero respect for the official narrative. Sit back, roll your eyes,
Speaker 1: and let's recap rogue style.
Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome to the Rogue Recap and number
Speaker 2: nine of soundbites. I'm here with my dear friend Eric Eggers.
Speaker 3: Eric, how are you, star Landa. It's good to see you.
Speaker 3: Happy Wednesday, Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: Yes, I love Wednesday because I get really excited. I
Speaker 2: feel like I'm halfway through, and then the next two
Speaker 2: days are super brutal because I got way too excited.
Speaker 3: You know What's It's funny you say that, like I'm
Speaker 3: okay with this. I did an interview maybe about a
Speaker 3: month ago, and somebody called Thursday like Friday Eve, like
Speaker 3: baby Friday. And I was like, you're an adult, right,
Speaker 3: Like what are we doing? Like there's only five of them?
Speaker 3: Why are we skipping past.
Speaker 4: Some of these days? Yeah?
Speaker 3: So I'm comfortable with Wednesday, but people celebrating the Thursday thing,
Speaker 3: I'm less into that.
Speaker 2: Well, if you're like me, your kids are getting out
Speaker 2: of school and this is their last week my kids
Speaker 2: and it is half.
Speaker 5: Days and all kinds of weird stuff. I will tell you.
Speaker 2: The thing that really irritated me today was my son
Speaker 2: takes bag lunch to school.
Speaker 5: He has the ability to buy lunch if he wants.
Speaker 2: But my youngest, he's ten, and I sent him in
Speaker 2: with some snacks and everything, right, because they're in really early,
Speaker 2: he's got to be in like seven forty five, so
Speaker 2: I send him with snacks. It's like breakfast snacks, lunch snacks, YadA, YadA, YadA,
Speaker 2: because they're not getting unch because it's a half day.
Speaker 2: So he comes home from school and he says, I
Speaker 2: didn't get any snacks. I'm so hungry. I'm like, why
Speaker 2: do you not have snacks? I gave you snacks. He goes,
Speaker 2: they wouldn't let us eat them.
Speaker 5: I'm like why. So I'm like, let me get this straight.
Speaker 2: Every day, these kids have snack at nine thirty or
Speaker 2: ten o'clock, which is late if you're up and you
Speaker 2: haven't eaten since seven thirty.
Speaker 5: And my kid's not a breakfast kid.
Speaker 2: Okay, fine, So now my son has not eaten.
Speaker 5: It is noon, So now I have to make a
Speaker 5: phone call. Right, It's an uncomfortable call. Hello, how are you?
Speaker 2: Why are you starving my son? This is ridiculous. It's
Speaker 2: inappropriate on every level.
Speaker 5: Feed the children. Wasn't there a mantra of that a
Speaker 5: while ago? I think that was a thing.
Speaker 3: It actually used to be a global policy, not so
Speaker 3: much in your school system.
Speaker 2: Well, today we have a lot to talk about, sadly,
Speaker 2: not good stuff. For those of you who are alive,
Speaker 2: you've heard about the Carmelo Anthony and Austin Metcalf trial.
Speaker 2: Austin Metcalf obviously is the victim and he was murdered.
Speaker 2: But if you're online and you're watching X, you would
Speaker 2: think that Austin Metcalf was the criminal and Carmelo Anthony
Speaker 2: was the victim. Given some of the response to the
Speaker 2: guilty verdict and the murder verdict that was handed down
Speaker 2: yesterday to Carmelo Anthony, who suddenly, after flipping the bird
Speaker 2: and holding guns and wearing dow rags and looking like
Speaker 2: he was, you know, the thug of the of the week,
Speaker 2: was crying in court. And now his mother is saying,
Speaker 2: please be kind to my son.
Speaker 4: I'm having the goodnesses. People have been kind.
Speaker 3: They've been kind, I think to the tune of over
Speaker 3: six hundred thousand dollars that he's apparently raised on this
Speaker 3: GoFundMe effort. You know, I remember when this story happened.
Speaker 3: I hadn't been paying attention to the trial, and then
Speaker 3: I came out yesterday and a lot of the guys
Speaker 3: in the office were watching, you know, the verdict and
Speaker 3: the reaction to it, and you know, I didn't think
Speaker 3: it would be a thing, but it's very much a thing.
Speaker 3: As these clips were about to play show, you know,
Speaker 3: it's kind of one of those two America's moments, and
Speaker 3: it's I think it's useful to play these clips just
Speaker 3: kind of to see for information and on some level
Speaker 3: entertainment purposes, what the reaction is to this verdict has.
Speaker 2: Been yes, And for just a sort of a note,
Speaker 2: you know, this murder happened last April, so April of
Speaker 2: twenty five.
Speaker 5: This young man was murdered.
Speaker 2: They've waited a full year in change to have their
Speaker 2: day in court, and the court. Outside of the court
Speaker 2: is being surrounded by a large throng of black protesters
Speaker 2: screaming that the only good cracker is a dead cracker
Speaker 2: and that's not the worst thing that we're going to
Speaker 2: hear today. So we have a I cut here from
Speaker 2: a woman I don't know who she is, nor do
Speaker 2: I care, But she claims that she's a former prosecutor,
Speaker 2: and she's calling the verdict quote love it a legal lynching.
Speaker 6: Yet on and one day legal flanching they've had me.
Speaker 6: You hear today, actor, I've said at a former proctic
Speaker 6: you have again the one day legal lanching. They happened
Speaker 6: in this slaughterhouse. We have had slaughterhouse. This is not
Speaker 6: a courthouse. Even this parthhouse has been nine when you
Speaker 6: will come here and you look like us clattering you
Speaker 6: that judge intentionally.
Speaker 2: See, So let's let's touch on that for a minute.
Speaker 2: I hazard to guess this woman has never been in
Speaker 2: a slaughterhouse, but I don't have that on good authority,
Speaker 2: So we'll leave that for there for a minute. The
Speaker 2: worst part of this hearing, of this trial was this
Speaker 2: young man's own witnesses that they brought up, and many
Speaker 2: of them were black, some of these witnesses were white,
Speaker 2: and they all testified to the same thing, whether they
Speaker 2: were for the defense or the prosecution, they said the
Speaker 2: same thing that Carmelo Anthony was the aggressor, that Carmelo
Speaker 2: Anthony was asked to leave more than fifteen times, and
Speaker 2: that Carmelo Anthony had his hand in his bag on
Speaker 2: a weapon, which obviously the kids don't know he has
Speaker 2: a weapon because it is already a felony to bring
Speaker 2: a weapon on school grounds. So that's your first mistake, right,
Speaker 2: No matter what, the kid's going to jail. And now
Speaker 2: she's screaming it's illegal lynching. I'm like, where did you
Speaker 2: get your little degree?
Speaker 3: Yeah, she has a different definition or understanding the definition
Speaker 3: of lynching than I do. It was a legal proceeding
Speaker 3: well done, and it was a conviction.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, people don't like the verdict, and it's
Speaker 3: interesting to explore the reason why they don't like the verdict.
Speaker 3: They don't like the verdict for what it represents, I
Speaker 3: think in their minds, and that to be charitable, right,
Speaker 3: like to try to understand the perspective of the people
Speaker 3: who are in these clips that we're gonna play. I
Speaker 3: think they think it was in contrary to you, as
Speaker 3: you just noted that the multiple like fifteen plus witness testimony.
Speaker 4: They think that a white man was the aggressor.
Speaker 3: This kid, Carmelo Anthony like defended himself use this weapon
Speaker 3: in justifiable self defense, and that was found guilty of
Speaker 3: murder as a result. I know some people have said
Speaker 3: that they should have gotten manslaughter at most, but I
Speaker 3: believe Texas doesn't actually offer that as an option, right,
Speaker 3: So it's like either capital murder or murder one. So,
Speaker 3: I mean, so some of it's just like the law.
Speaker 3: But I think that's what it comes down to you.
Speaker 3: They're upset because they believe, again contrary to witness testimony
Speaker 3: for both of them, that this was an act done
Speaker 3: in self defense. And that's just not what anybody else said.
Speaker 2: No, And I think additionally, if we're going to pontificate
Speaker 2: over this, right, so if you're walking around and let
Speaker 2: me just hedge you know, I'm in New York City,
Speaker 2: I take the subway, walk down the street. I've been mugged,
Speaker 2: I've been jumped, I've been all the things. I get
Speaker 2: carrying a pocket knife or carrying a les lethal gun
Speaker 2: or something to that effect to protect yourself when you're
Speaker 2: in a certain arena. You were going to a school
Speaker 2: for a track meet, if you are bringing a weapon
Speaker 2: in your backpack that you know you're not allowed to bring,
Speaker 2: there's premeditation there. You're thinking about it. So if you
Speaker 2: show up under this you know, track tent or whatever
Speaker 2: it was, and you know this this sporting event and
Speaker 2: they're saying to you, you gotta go, and you have
Speaker 2: your hand on this weapon. You're preparing for something that
Speaker 2: is on altercation. Now, many of us have seen these
Speaker 2: things online where two kids are fighting. So you know,
Speaker 2: kids fight, kids get in fights, kids get in brawls,
Speaker 2: as we've seen.
Speaker 5: The quote unquote teen takeovers. And I use that term
Speaker 5: super loosely.
Speaker 2: But the idea that even let's just say for a
Speaker 2: second that I'm going to give credence to the idea
Speaker 2: that Austin Metcalf pushed him and he's bigger than you know,
Speaker 2: this kid, It doesn't give you the right to stab him.
Speaker 2: Like if I get shoved on the subway, might allowed
Speaker 2: to stab the person that chows me. No, that's not
Speaker 2: the direct response.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, I'm gonna push back a little
Speaker 3: bit because you keep using this term weapon And Jasmine Crockett,
Speaker 3: you know no lesson authority on like knives and weaponry
Speaker 3: than the former representative. I guess she's still a current
Speaker 3: representative Crockett. I think she got a different take on it, right,
Speaker 3: we got Crockett talking about this, and.
Speaker 5: I do have that ready. Was it a switch? I
Speaker 5: don't know what it was like.
Speaker 7: It seemed like it was a multi tool, almost like
Speaker 7: a Swiss arm. Yeah, like with the little scissors and
Speaker 7: everything and whatever. So it was small. Well, I would
Speaker 7: argue the size of it alone, you wouldn't even think
Speaker 7: it's a daily weapon. And if it was one of
Speaker 7: the little like I don't know, like I do. Well,
Speaker 7: that's why he went to his coach and was like,
Speaker 7: but I don't think I heard him that.
Speaker 2: So let's let's let's think for one more second. So
Speaker 2: we'll just go back to this. We had box cutters
Speaker 2: right that murdered the flight attendants on nine to eleven.
Speaker 2: That doesn't seem like such a big weapon with such
Speaker 2: a big blade, but they were able to be murdered.
Speaker 2: We have people being stabbed with screwdrivers, which are typically
Speaker 2: used for screws. So the idea that the size of
Speaker 2: the weapon or the blade does not I mean, he
Speaker 2: literally went for his heart.
Speaker 3: Right, like if you hit him with a brick and
Speaker 3: he died, Like yeah, like this Jasmin Crockett Tellet, it's
Speaker 3: something you would use in a kindergarten class for arts,
Speaker 3: and craft, But in fact it was what makes the
Speaker 3: deadly weapon, I believe is the fact that he died
Speaker 3: as a result of it. Yes, you know, I remember
Speaker 3: this case of uh this. I think this army ranger
Speaker 3: who would kill the guy in the bar fight with
Speaker 3: just with thrown a punch and he went to prison
Speaker 3: and luckily he was able to escape in the movie
Speaker 3: con Air. But the point is like in that thing,
Speaker 3: you know, like just punching the guys in that movie
Speaker 3: went to prison. Point ever, was like yeah, cool, you know,
Speaker 3: as long as he's the are back at the end.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean it's a deadly weapon because unfortunately
Speaker 3: someone whose murders results of it, I think the size
Speaker 3: of the weapon seems less significant.
Speaker 2: I agree with you, and I think if we listen
Speaker 2: to these two clips I'm going to play right now.
Speaker 2: So these are people that are outside the courthouse in McKinney, Texas,
Speaker 2: and they are standing there, they are protesting, and they
Speaker 2: are being filmed by various citizen journalists as well as
Speaker 2: you know, regular news outlets. And I just want to
Speaker 2: preface before we play it to give you a little disclaimer.
Speaker 2: A lot of custom in this there's a lot of
Speaker 2: nasty words. And these are not spoken by Eric or myself.
Speaker 2: These are people black people standing outside who have some
Speaker 2: choice words for white people.
Speaker 8: No matter, I don't want to these games.
Speaker 4: I want to plight these cracking game So hautlack. You know.
Speaker 2: That, and you say, let's play the next cut before
Speaker 2: we comment.
Speaker 5: Here's another one.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm even slain.
Speaker 4: Brock would have been with him. Fuck you see, they
Speaker 4: should have both a rest day Brock's room.
Speaker 5: That one should the day.
Speaker 4: I expend the money all right behind me.
Speaker 8: That called me, I didn't call me.
Speaker 5: I'll let you go.
Speaker 4: I like that.
Speaker 3: I like the first clip Ember when they had They
Speaker 3: called it like the enhanced Games in Vegas a couple
Speaker 3: weeks ago, where the athletes were like, we're participating in
Speaker 3: these different kind of sport events. Uh, but they're allowed
Speaker 3: to be on dope, Like they're allowed to take steroids
Speaker 3: to do whatever the idea was to see if they
Speaker 3: could break like a world record.
Speaker 5: So they're allowed to take.
Speaker 4: The enhanced games. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I like the idea of the crackhead games like that
Speaker 3: would actually I would pay to watch that, Like like,
Speaker 3: here's just a bunch of crackheads doing crackhead.
Speaker 4: Things, and I think it would do well. Actually it is.
Speaker 3: I will say this, I think anybody, like in that
Speaker 3: first clip, if you weren't watching and you're just listening,
Speaker 3: there's a guy who's quite agitating this in a white
Speaker 3: guy I think, tried to go up and like try
Speaker 3: to give him a Hug're like, look, I'm a white guy,
Speaker 3: Like we can just get along. That to me is
Speaker 3: what I think you could be considered a crackhead move.
Speaker 3: I don't think he was going to go well for
Speaker 3: that guy, and it wasn't going well. The second clip
Speaker 3: where they're saying that the twin brothers should also be dead,
Speaker 3: I mean, look again, they clearly have a perspective that
Speaker 3: the people, the white boys in the tent, were the
Speaker 3: aggressors and they committed a crime and trying to get
Speaker 3: this guy out, and just you know, who is to
Speaker 3: say what happened in the tent other than the people
Speaker 3: who testified about what happened in the tent and what
Speaker 3: they said is clearly like that seems to be the
Speaker 3: most important piece of evidence that this conviction hinges on.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And to that point, the people that testified to
Speaker 2: the activities, the events, the words, the actions that were
Speaker 2: taken spoken committed under that tent were both from the
Speaker 2: defense and the prosecution, and the defense rested that the.
Speaker 5: Testimony was so horrible from when they described the autopsy
Speaker 5: that the jury had to take a break because this
Speaker 5: little weapon that Jasmine Crockett is talking about hurt him
Speaker 5: so badly, killed him in such a gruesome way, as
Speaker 5: he led out, that the jury could not bear it. Meanwhile,
Speaker 5: remember you.
Speaker 2: Have Austin's twin brother and his mother and father in
Speaker 2: the courtroom who not only have to hear this testimony.
Speaker 5: From all these kids who will forever be scarred by
Speaker 5: this because you can't.
Speaker 2: Unsee it if you have a heart, I would hope,
Speaker 2: and they have to hear it, and then they have
Speaker 2: to go outside and see a bunch of people saying
Speaker 2: we want to kill your other son. You should have
Speaker 2: died with him as a parent, God forbid, I would
Speaker 2: have been out of my mind.
Speaker 5: The father who originally said, we don't want to make.
Speaker 2: The business about race. It's not about race, it's about humanity.
Speaker 2: And while I commend him for that, you may not
Speaker 2: think it's about race, but there is an entire environment.
Speaker 4: That does well. I think that's the point, right, like,
Speaker 4: that's what all these reactions are about.
Speaker 3: And you on the last episode that we did last week,
Speaker 3: made the point about like I think it was a
Speaker 3: killing in Atlanta, and you said it happened to be
Speaker 3: two African Americans involved in it. But like if the
Speaker 3: race were different, then the reactions clearly would have been
Speaker 3: different to coverage of the story. It would have been
Speaker 3: very different. That's really what it comes down to. These
Speaker 3: are people who are upset that a black man was
Speaker 3: convicted of killing a white person, and it is you know,
Speaker 3: I told you, I've seen people are posting about this,
Speaker 3: and one of the comments I saw was the days
Speaker 3: of the OJ verdicts are over. And I was like, man,
Speaker 3: what an interesting thought, like and I guess, yeah, Like
Speaker 3: the OJ thought is, like there was a time the
Speaker 3: OJ verdict represented a black man not being held accountable
Speaker 3: for killing white people. Ah for I guess reasons, mostly
Speaker 3: because it's like, hey, he's black, so kind of we
Speaker 3: get we get some every once in a while, and
Speaker 3: that's you know, that is a real perspective, and that
Speaker 3: is perspective that people wanted to talk about in public
Speaker 3: during these protests.
Speaker 5: I think I think there is a larger issue.
Speaker 2: And I said this last week in my own shows
Speaker 2: and with you, which is that while these things may
Speaker 2: be uncomfortable, they are nonetheless true. Right, it may be
Speaker 2: difficult to have a real conversation about the amount of
Speaker 2: black on white crime, the amount of Third world migrant
Speaker 2: crime against you know, native born Europeans and people of England,
Speaker 2: you know, people of Ireland. It may be very difficult
Speaker 2: to have these conversations, but the crime is happening nonetheless,
Speaker 2: and the idea that words are more offensive or attention
Speaker 2: to said matters are more offensive than the offense is
Speaker 2: shocking to me. And I can't understand it. Like you
Speaker 2: talk to people and I'm like, you know, we've already
Speaker 2: forgotten about, you know, the eighty year old guy who
Speaker 2: is having dinner alone and then a career criminal who
Speaker 2: was black pushed the eighty year old white man down
Speaker 2: the subway steps and he died.
Speaker 5: You know, no one cares. It's done, It's over, onto
Speaker 5: the next crime.
Speaker 2: Okay, So then we'll talk about Irina Karutzka, a young
Speaker 2: white Ukrainian refugee on a light rail train, murdered in
Speaker 2: cold blood in front of tons of witnesses on the train,
Speaker 2: none of whom did one damn thing. That to me
Speaker 2: is another mystery by a career criminal who happened to
Speaker 2: be black. I don't see anybody protesting the fact that
Speaker 2: he's not going to be required to stand trial. The
Speaker 2: judge ruled him incompetent to stand trial, so he will
Speaker 2: not be put on the witness stand.
Speaker 5: He will not.
Speaker 2: So then does the judge who released him go? Does
Speaker 2: he get put on trial? Does she get put on trial.
Speaker 5: Because she put him back on the street and said
Speaker 5: he was competent to go?
Speaker 4: List right?
Speaker 5: And then you look at the grandmother who was murdered
Speaker 5: in Atlanta. She was black by a black career criminal.
Speaker 5: Nobody's talking about it. Why doesn't that matter? The idea
Speaker 5: that this is not stoked, that this is not taught,
Speaker 5: that this is not paid for, is utter nonsense.
Speaker 3: It is there's definitely a double standard in something. You know,
Speaker 3: it's an uncomfortable thing to talk about. We talk about
Speaker 3: this in my office sometimes because I'll see posts on
Speaker 3: social media on certain accounts and it'll be, you know,
Speaker 3: it's got a racial undertone.
Speaker 4: I would say, quite on, it's a little bit.
Speaker 3: I've seen the they're racist, right, like there's people who
Speaker 3: are racist online against black people, and I was talking
Speaker 3: about that account, and I was talking about, like, well,
Speaker 3: what does it say about people that follow these racist accounts?
Speaker 3: And somebody was like, well, yeah, but this is the
Speaker 3: standard applies to the left, because like there's lots of
Speaker 3: people who follow people like Hassan Piker who says lots
Speaker 3: of crazy racist things just the other way, but no
Speaker 3: one kind of holds that against them for following somebody
Speaker 3: like that. And I was just, yeah, it's interesting, and
Speaker 3: I think it's existed for so long that you kind
Speaker 3: of have to like And I think it's one of
Speaker 3: the interesting things about the conversations I have with you
Speaker 3: is it's interesting to kind of hold them up and
Speaker 3: explore them and kind of do a little biopsy and
Speaker 3: like why is it uncomfortable?
Speaker 4: Yeah? And should it be?
Speaker 3: And you know, I think that's kind of a lot
Speaker 3: of conversations like that because of clips like that. And
Speaker 3: I think you have another clip of a gentleman who
Speaker 3: talks about like, really, what it comes down to is
Speaker 3: people are treating the victim like the criminal, yep. And
Speaker 3: they're treating the criminal based on the conviction like the
Speaker 3: victim Yep, here we go.
Speaker 9: Only black people are at the point where they will
Speaker 9: feel sorry for the criminal and the murderer more than
Speaker 9: the actual person who's not with us anymore, the actual
Speaker 9: victim they don't care about. Everyone feels sorry for this
Speaker 9: little monster. I never felt comfortable around you, niggas. That's
Speaker 9: why I got the hell away from y'all. Y'all think
Speaker 9: this is a game, like, Oh, you're just saying this
Speaker 9: for likes and clicks. No, I'm not even near you niggas.
Speaker 9: My kids to school, go to school with you, niggas.
Speaker 9: This ain't for likes. This is for real, like growing
Speaker 9: up with my friends will come over, hey, my dad
Speaker 9: would check them at the door. Listen, man, you gotta
Speaker 9: take that do rag off. This do rag ain't allowed here.
Speaker 9: My dad didn't like do rags because he watches the news.
Speaker 9: You see who's doing the killing. Take that do rag
Speaker 9: off before you come over. And that's all. And you know,
Speaker 9: when I was a kid, I didn't understand, like, why
Speaker 9: is dad like this? What's going on with dad, mam?
Speaker 9: Why is he tripping? Why is he embarrassing me? My
Speaker 9: mom sat me down, told me to listen, your dad's
Speaker 9: seen a lot of things. What do you mean, Mary,
Speaker 9: what happened?
Speaker 10: You know.
Speaker 9: I never told you this, and don't tell your father
Speaker 9: I told you. But when we were young, you know,
Speaker 9: we used to party at your dad's house, you know,
Speaker 9: when we were sixteen.
Speaker 5: And uh so we'll leave it there as he gets
Speaker 5: into the deeper story.
Speaker 2: But I think what we're hearing from him, and what
Speaker 2: I love about this clip is that he is telling
Speaker 2: something that is personal and he's explaining that this idea
Speaker 2: that everybody agrees, like all white people agree, all black
Speaker 2: people agree.
Speaker 4: We don't.
Speaker 5: We don't all agree. We disagree a lot.
Speaker 2: Actually, It's like, I personally think the greatest danger to
Speaker 2: society right now is liberal white women. They are out
Speaker 2: of their effing minds. And it is every day, all day.
Speaker 2: I see them, I see them protesting and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go, I'm gonna be a part of the
Speaker 2: Palestinian movement. I'm like, yes, please go, please go to
Speaker 2: the Gaza strip. I look forward to you and your
Speaker 2: escapades and then hearing back from you, they will never go.
Speaker 2: They have no rights there and they know that. And
Speaker 2: then you see these videos online and you're looking at
Speaker 2: these people that are literally in these Middle East countries,
Speaker 2: These poor women, they are beaten in the street, they
Speaker 2: are covered head to toe, they have veiled, slit eyes,
Speaker 2: they have no freedoms, they are raped, they are murdered,
Speaker 2: they are oppressed, they cannot get an education. And then
Speaker 2: you have these people acting like they know more. Oh no, no, no,
Speaker 2: Islam is the religion of peace. I'm like, guys, it
Speaker 2: is too much to put these blanket, these generalizations over everything.
Speaker 2: Whether it's all black people agree, all white people agree Islam.
Speaker 5: Is the religion of peace, it's all bullshit. We have
Speaker 5: to take each situation for what it is. And when
Speaker 5: I see somebody like that come out as a black
Speaker 5: man talk about his experience.
Speaker 2: And say, yes, not a thing. And that's why he's
Speaker 2: sitting here saying this guy killed this guy, and that's
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter that one's black and one's white.
Speaker 5: And let me tell you something else. If Austin Metcalf had.
Speaker 2: Murdered Carmelo Anthony, there would be riots across America and
Speaker 2: no one would give a shit. If Austin Metcalf was
Speaker 2: convicted of murder, which if he was the you know,
Speaker 2: the roles were flipped that would be the justified verdict.
Speaker 4: Well, that's kind of what happened in twenty twenty, right.
Speaker 3: We had a number of instances where we had black
Speaker 3: victims and white perpetrators, and like those people all were
Speaker 3: convicted and they all went to prison, and it seemed
Speaker 3: like a big moment and it seemed to matter, and
Speaker 3: I think people rightly celebrated what was then. It seemed
Speaker 3: to be like the correct uh execution of justice. So
Speaker 3: it is interesting to see how like the race like
Speaker 3: it when the roles reversed, the support seems to reverse. Also,
Speaker 3: it seems to be more about the race and less
Speaker 3: about the the actual kind of legal standing. I will say,
Speaker 3: this guy's got me rethinking my parents' strategy. He said
Speaker 3: his dad would make everybody take off the do rag.
Speaker 4: I go the other way.
Speaker 3: Whenever I go to a black person's house, I put
Speaker 3: a DW rag on. I think it makes them more comfortable,
Speaker 3: you know, and it just makes them makes me seem
Speaker 3: more relatable.
Speaker 5: So nobody ever get started of appropriation.
Speaker 4: That's right, prison mic bro. Every day.
Speaker 2: You sent me a clip earlier and I had seen
Speaker 2: it yesterday of one woman outside of this of this
Speaker 2: courthouse screaming that she had five sons and what is
Speaker 2: she going to do?
Speaker 5: Let's play that real quick. What do you want us
Speaker 5: to do?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 8: What do you want us to do?
Speaker 4: At this point? What I'm lost for it? I don't
Speaker 4: know what to do.
Speaker 5: I got five boys, I don't know what.
Speaker 8: I ain't got nothing to tell him?
Speaker 9: No more. You can't walk away, no movon Martin.
Speaker 4: Let me ask you this right now.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Like I shouldn't laugh, but like it's like
Speaker 3: the rest peace Trayvon Martin at the end, I mean,
Speaker 3: I agree, I agree with that rest and peace Travon Martin,
Speaker 3: that he should not have been murdered.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 4: But what do you tell your sons? What you tell
Speaker 4: him is don't murder, don't stand. Yeah, it's pretty simple, actually,
Speaker 4: this one.
Speaker 2: I think it's the same thing we tell all of
Speaker 2: our kids, right, I always tell my kids, and it
Speaker 2: is the rule that was taught to me, and I
Speaker 2: think is a great rule.
Speaker 5: We never hit first, we hit last. We do not
Speaker 5: hit first. We don't start, We don't instigate.
Speaker 2: You can talk all the trash you want, sticks and stones,
Speaker 2: have a nice day, but if you lay your hands
Speaker 2: on me, please be prepared for what comes. That was
Speaker 2: your choice, not mine. Now I have the right to
Speaker 2: kick the shit out of you. That's what I tell
Speaker 2: my kids. Anybody tells you you can't fight back, that's
Speaker 2: worship you fight back. Nobody gets to put their hands
Speaker 2: on you. I don't know where this rule came up
Speaker 2: or who's talking about what that's fake news, the idea
Speaker 2: that this woman's like, what do I tell my kids?
Speaker 2: Don't carry weapons and don't murder people with them? Thank you,
Speaker 2: thanks for playing. I don't understand, and rest in peace.
Speaker 5: Three want Martin.
Speaker 2: I will tell you that case was a heartbreaker and
Speaker 2: I covered that too. I'm sure you did too, and
Speaker 2: that really was a very very sad case.
Speaker 5: This is not that case.
Speaker 2: This is not that they're not comparable. It's not the
Speaker 2: same thing at all. And I think think for everybody
Speaker 2: to start to do that, right we start to say
Speaker 2: this or that, that's not the case.
Speaker 5: There are a lot of places we can do that
Speaker 5: with right now, and we.
Speaker 4: Think that's the like so that, I mean, that's really
Speaker 4: what it comes down to. I think that that is
Speaker 4: informing a lot of the reaction to this.
Speaker 3: It's like, okay, well, that case a white guy, even
Speaker 3: though you know George Zimmermann, uh, the white guy got
Speaker 3: away with killing the black guy and he claimed self defense, right,
Speaker 3: So why cannot the opposite happen? And the reality is
Speaker 3: is that, well, the details are different, the testimony is different,
Speaker 3: the evidence is different. So therefore the vertice is different.
Speaker 3: And that is you know, clearly hard for the mother
Speaker 3: of five two except yes, and so.
Speaker 2: This was a horrible thing that happened yesterday. I have
Speaker 2: no doubt that you know, the Act Blues, the George Soros's,
Speaker 2: the Neville Singham's already have protests planned and they're gonna.
Speaker 5: I can't even imagine what.
Speaker 4: I want to say. Is anybody raising money off of this?
Speaker 4: Like which candidates are serving out money?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 4: That will be the thing, right percent.
Speaker 2: And here's the other thing. So we have Jasmine Crockett,
Speaker 2: she said this crap about the weapon. We'll there that
Speaker 2: there for a moment. And then we have yesterday the
Speaker 2: Southern Poverty Law Center that appeared before House Judiciary. And
Speaker 2: you know, Jim Jordan's leading the leading the herd here
Speaker 2: asking these questions. And so the sitting chairman of the SPLC,
Speaker 2: his last name is fair Fai r and the irony
Speaker 2: not lost on anybody.
Speaker 4: There were so many Bryan with a why. By the way,
Speaker 4: come on, I'm with a why.
Speaker 2: But his last name is Fair, and so I really
Speaker 2: like it's one of those things where I laugh because
Speaker 2: I'm like, is God just laughing at us? He has
Speaker 2: to be, so I got to be having a ball
Speaker 2: up there. But this I have two cuts from that hearing.
Speaker 2: The first one is Brian Fair speaking with Congressman Ship
Speaker 2: Roy of Texas, who you know, he's not leaving anything
Speaker 2: on the carpet. He's putting it all out there about
Speaker 2: they have this hate map and there's fifteen hundred groups
Speaker 2: on the hate map, and so he has some some
Speaker 2: very simple questions and this poor bastard, he does not
Speaker 2: have an answered anything you want to add.
Speaker 3: Before I was just gonna know, I did an interview
Speaker 3: on this earlier today actually, and I was really about this. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And I was like, you know what, Like when I
Speaker 3: was watching this guy's testimony yesterday, I was like, Bro,
Speaker 3: he did.
Speaker 5: Not I don't care.
Speaker 3: I don't care how bad of a day you think
Speaker 3: you're having. No one had a worse day than him yesterday.
Speaker 3: Like you imagine getting up in the morning and knowing
Speaker 3: you have to go eat this crap sandwich like in public,
Speaker 3: and you're gonna get grilled. There are no good answers
Speaker 3: for what the Southern Poverty Law Center has been up to.
Speaker 3: So I respect his efforts, like, you know, credit to
Speaker 3: him for like not calling him sick. But that was
Speaker 3: a tough one yesterday.
Speaker 4: It was he wore it all day long.
Speaker 5: He really did.
Speaker 2: And there was one moment it was Brandon Gill actually
Speaker 2: a text, who I love.
Speaker 5: We don't have that cut, but I'll just briefly.
Speaker 2: He showed him a picture of Graham Plattner's chest who
Speaker 2: won last night, mister Nazi of the Nazi tattoo on
Speaker 2: his chest. And he says to Brian, like, you know,
Speaker 2: how do you feel about this? You know, would you
Speaker 2: support him as a candidate? And he says no, And
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, did you forget where
Speaker 2: he was?
Speaker 5: He told the truth? He got Wait, that was weird,
Speaker 5: Like you agree with us? Oh my god? But this
Speaker 5: is him speaking to Chip Roy.
Speaker 11: How many extremists Islamic groups do you have of the
Speaker 11: fifteen hundred or so organizations you have in your hate map?
Speaker 12: Again, anyone can go to our website.
Speaker 11: I officely have been looking over and can't really find one.
Speaker 12: Again. It is the SPLCS.
Speaker 11: The SBLC can provide us a list of the is
Speaker 11: the Islamic oriented groups.
Speaker 12: Do you have in your hate map, mister Roy, We
Speaker 12: don't target any group because of its religion. Really, I
Speaker 12: want to be clear about that. Really, Yes, that's exactly right.
Speaker 12: We target no group because of its religion. We target
Speaker 12: groups because they express statements and engage in activities that
Speaker 12: demean and villain.
Speaker 11: You brought up LGBTQ groups a second ago, right, So
Speaker 11: you brought up lgbt groups a minute ago. So you
Speaker 11: think there's a bunch of Islamic groups that are pro LGBTQ.
Speaker 11: Is that the position of the SPLC. I just want
Speaker 11: to make sure the record is reflecting that.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's when you have There were a few
Speaker 2: moments in his hearing yesterday where there was just open
Speaker 2: laughing or audible gasping, or people were like, wait, what
Speaker 2: what are you saying?
Speaker 4: Bro?
Speaker 3: I'm so sad ship Aroway is not gonna be in
Speaker 3: the house anymore. Like I don't I don't know what
Speaker 3: kind of what was going on there, but he no
Speaker 3: he was great, and you know, the whole thing is
Speaker 3: like ridiculous. Like so the argument is the Southern Property
Speaker 3: Law Center, they weren't funding Nazi groups, Linda, they were
Speaker 3: they were undercover agents. These are informants that they were paying.
Speaker 3: This is like that they would then pass that intelligence
Speaker 3: on to Uh. It's like at their own detective show,
Speaker 3: and it's like it's really.
Speaker 5: Is calling mister Fair, you guys are doing great.
Speaker 3: No, I know, it's like it's like, really, it's more
Speaker 3: like it's like Scooby Doo. You know, it's like they
Speaker 3: got like we would have got away with it. It
Speaker 3: wasn't those pesky.
Speaker 2: It really, I have to say, it really was astonishing
Speaker 2: how little he knew. Obviously, I think he's the acting
Speaker 2: director right now, so I'm sure he's playing catch up.
Speaker 2: But the idea that you're even put in a position
Speaker 2: to be the acting director of the SPLC tells me
Speaker 2: a lot about who you are in.
Speaker 5: The life that you've led.
Speaker 2: And today, you know, we're recording this on Wednesday, June tenth,
Speaker 2: we actually have the act Blue CEO in front of
Speaker 2: congressional testimony. I think she's pleaded at the fifth I
Speaker 2: don't know three or four times already, it's obscene.
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, well, when the New York Times has
Speaker 3: a story about your lawyer telling you you need a
Speaker 3: different and better lawyer because of what you have done
Speaker 3: in terms of already lying to Congress in the terms
Speaker 3: of that letter, yeah, that woman is also going to
Speaker 3: have a very tough day.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And but here's the best part. She's the exact opposite
Speaker 2: of Brian Faerr. She is sitting there, She's smiling, Yeah,
Speaker 2: excited to say, I plead the fifth And was that
Speaker 2: was that Abby Lowell sitting behind him?
Speaker 5: Brian Ferry?
Speaker 4: It might have been.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was like, I was like, wow, SBOLC is
Speaker 2: a worried they've got Abby loll there. I'm what is
Speaker 2: he like the top five lawyers of the country. So
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, tell me you have something to hide
Speaker 2: without telling me you of something to hide. But okay,
Speaker 2: So total flip side. We have doctor Elvida King who
Speaker 2: gives a statement at the SPLC and explains that she is,
Speaker 2: you know, a niece of doctor Martin Luther King and
Speaker 2: what his vision was. We won't play the whole thing,
Speaker 2: and then I'll play you Jasmine Crockett's response to doctor King,
Speaker 2: which is just disgusting.
Speaker 8: Human dignity is a creed of our family, the King
Speaker 8: family legacy. My uncle revend Doctor Martin Luther King Junior,
Speaker 8: did not dedicate his life to dividing people into categories
Speaker 8: of oppressed or and oppressed. He dedicated his life to
Speaker 8: bringing people together under the truth that every person bears
Speaker 8: the image of God. I come before you today not
Speaker 8: in anger, but in deep concern. I am not mau
Speaker 8: sure anyone can fully grasp the emotions of a young
Speaker 8: girl who grew up in a family that sacrificed so
Speaker 8: much for justice and reconciliation, only to spend much of
Speaker 8: her adult life being watched, shadowed, criticized, and even threatened.
Speaker 8: Because she believes in God, in Jesus Christ and the
Speaker 8: sanctity of life, and in the American dream. My family
Speaker 8: legacy reflects the very truth that America is strongest when
Speaker 8: we recognize our common humanity. My grandmother's family came from
Speaker 8: the West Coast of Africa. My grandfather's family came from Ireland.
Speaker 8: My mother's family included Cherokee roots. I have spent my
Speaker 8: entire life living the reality that America is not a
Speaker 8: collection of competing tribes. America is one people under.
Speaker 2: God, beautiful, right, and say enough nice things about what
Speaker 2: she had to say, unless you, Jasmine Crockett.
Speaker 7: You want to tell people of color who is fighting
Speaker 7: for who people of color do not feel comfortable are
Speaker 7: welcomes within your party. That's why you have to parade
Speaker 7: someone who has the name doctor King attached to them
Speaker 7: so that people can be confused, because I have been
Speaker 7: reading the comments online.
Speaker 5: And people are like, who is this doctor King? Because
Speaker 5: you want them.
Speaker 7: To believe that somehow she espouses who doctor King was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Jasmincrockett is telling Doctor King that she doesn't
Speaker 3: espouse what her family is. Jasmin Crockett's in charge of
Speaker 3: the king legacy as opposed to an actual member of
Speaker 3: the King family. I will say this, you know, I mean, look,
Speaker 3: that's Jasmuc croct is. Not the only person has that perspective.
Speaker 3: But you watch and you wait and you see. You know,
Speaker 3: Ram Emmanuel right, he's run for president, but he's out
Speaker 3: there talking about Mississippi and he's talking about the Mississippi
Speaker 3: miracle and the gains Mississippi has made in their reading scores.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, Well, guess what.
Speaker 3: Mississippi's got one of the biggest populations of African American
Speaker 3: kids in the country. Who do you think is in
Speaker 3: charge of the Mississippi education system? And I'm just saying,
Speaker 3: like these blue states have actually their education policies, their
Speaker 3: COVID policies have left more black and brown kids behind
Speaker 3: over the last six years, rasing decades of learning games.
Speaker 3: And I think people that argument, Jasmin Crocter said, will
Speaker 3: not last for too much longer when people start to
Speaker 3: actually see the benefits of certain policies and the impacts
Speaker 3: of other policies, which ones actually benefits with people, I think.
Speaker 2: That Jasmine Crockett is such a disgusting piece of you
Speaker 2: know what. I think that she is so irresponsible in
Speaker 2: the words that she says and the divide that she stokes.
Speaker 2: It is an embarrassment that the giant beaded black cross.
Speaker 2: How dare you wear a sign of Jesus Christ who says,
Speaker 2: judge everyone equally, love them as your neighbor, as your brother,
Speaker 2: and then you're going to sit there and yell at
Speaker 2: a woman about her own family.
Speaker 5: It is repulsive.
Speaker 3: Also, didn't Jasmincrockett go to like a really expensive public
Speaker 3: or a private school.
Speaker 4: Yes, in the Houston area. So who do you think?
Speaker 9: You know?
Speaker 3: I don't know that much about Jasmin Crockett, But if
Speaker 3: I was gonna wager on who's actually dealt with more
Speaker 3: racial discrimination, more strife, more hardship because of their color,
Speaker 3: I would bet on Alvid the King over Jaspina.
Speaker 5: Yeah, not to mention the fact that she's a lot
Speaker 5: older than just me.
Speaker 2: Grew up in the times of the civil rights error
Speaker 2: and you know, the racial divide, and overcame all of it,
Speaker 2: and through God is telling everybody to see past it
Speaker 2: and to love one another. Which I gotta say she's
Speaker 2: a better woman than me, because I don't feel like
Speaker 2: that at all.
Speaker 3: I'm likely that was actually my takeaway from that clip,
Speaker 3: because you know what, I Alvid is better than Linda.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's literally.
Speaker 5: So last clip of the day.
Speaker 2: There is obviously a hung going on in Belfast. For
Speaker 2: those of you not aware, there was a Sudanese migrant
Speaker 2: who attacked a special needs man in Belfast, Ireland and
Speaker 2: tried to decapitate him. The man had only lived in
Speaker 2: the area that he was in. It's like a house,
Speaker 2: but on either side of the house he has people
Speaker 2: that takes care of him.
Speaker 5: He's hard of hearing, and I don't know the details
Speaker 5: of his special needs, just that he's he needs assistance
Speaker 5: in his day to day life.
Speaker 2: So he's outside, he's walking down the street, it's broad daylight,
Speaker 2: and the Studentese migrant decides, you know what, decapitate that
Speaker 2: white guy.
Speaker 5: Take him down. So he's on top of him, stabbing him.
Speaker 5: It's been all over the media. We are not going
Speaker 5: to play that clip. But what is shocking is that
Speaker 5: because Elon.
Speaker 2: Musk has a platform that allows the truth to be heard,
Speaker 2: to be seen, to be known, the people that want
Speaker 2: to quiet the Third World migration crimes in their areas,
Speaker 2: specifically right now in the EU and in UK, they're
Speaker 2: man at Elon.
Speaker 5: I don't understand. I really don't. Do You want to
Speaker 5: play this and then you can give your your.
Speaker 3: Thoughts absolutely, because I think the clip kind of speaks
Speaker 3: for itself. But I do think it's it's interesting the
Speaker 3: way this basically makes it full circle. Yeah, Like what
Speaker 3: you're about to hear is someone not blaming the perpetrator
Speaker 3: of the crime, but someone else, like the perpetrator that
Speaker 3: crime almost becomes the victim and I think it's just
Speaker 3: that the common theme of unfortunately the stories and clips
Speaker 3: we've covered today.
Speaker 10: A violent knife attack by a Sudanese asylum seeker in
Speaker 10: Belfast on Monday led to a night of riots and
Speaker 10: vehicles set alight in the city. Video of the horrific
Speaker 10: knife attack, which we've chosen not to show, was posted online.
Speaker 10: Far right agitators then shared the material, using it to
Speaker 10: stoke racial tensions and push for violent retribution. The UK
Speaker 10: Regulator has powers directing tech companies to remove violent posts
Speaker 10: and control racially charged responses, but Elon Musk chose instead
Speaker 10: to double down on inciting rhetoric on his platform.
Speaker 3: Right, So, first off, the words far right are doing
Speaker 3: a lot of work there, Like, how do you know
Speaker 3: what was far right for sharing the clip as opposed
Speaker 3: to I don't know covering the news right? I mean,
Speaker 3: it is a thing, seems like a significant thing, and
Speaker 3: it does occur in the context of other tensions that
Speaker 3: they're clearly having throughout Europe.
Speaker 4: You know, it's funny.
Speaker 3: I ran into an English woman over the weekend and
Speaker 3: she was talking about the protests that they were having
Speaker 3: because she was actually from the Manchester area where the
Speaker 3: boy who died after the stab and.
Speaker 4: He was in the hands Hannah.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so she was talking about like how they had
Speaker 3: protests and counter protests and the differences in the populations.
Speaker 3: But like, so it's literally a global story, right, this
Speaker 3: tension between these migrants and then the violence that occurs there.
Speaker 3: So it's not just like stoking racial tensions. It's like
Speaker 3: literally covering one of the most important geopolitical stories in
Speaker 3: the world.
Speaker 2: Not to mention the fact that we are seeing and
Speaker 2: uprising in quote unquote far right candidates becoming the nominee
Speaker 2: winning their elections. The people of these countries, you know,
Speaker 2: this idea that we can't be.
Speaker 5: Proud of who we are.
Speaker 2: The nationalism you oh you're a nationalist, Yes, I am.
Speaker 2: Good talk all right. Next, I don't know why that's
Speaker 2: like a negative thing. Like being a nationalist is being
Speaker 2: someone that's proud of your nation. It's not I hate migrants,
Speaker 2: it's please come into our country after you've been thoroughly
Speaker 2: vetted and scanned and you're not here to murder everybody.
Speaker 5: That'd be cool.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: What I heard is that the rise of these right
Speaker 3: wing candidates internationally is potentially related to two things. Number one,
Speaker 3: it's just the natural, organic reaction to the unchecked immigration
Speaker 3: and people want to kind of push back on that.
Speaker 3: But you know what a theory is on the second
Speaker 3: cause of it, the loss of USAID funding. So if
Speaker 3: you cut this UCA fund with some of these countries
Speaker 3: that like it's been propping up these like left wing
Speaker 3: governments that you know, we're clearly in line with the
Speaker 3: Obama ideology. So uh yeah, they'll a little more research
Speaker 3: on that. But that's just another factor to consider.
Speaker 2: That's really interesting, and that's actually it makes a lot
Speaker 2: of sense because without the funding, they can't run their campaigns,
Speaker 2: and the Right is being funded organically by the the
Speaker 2: actual constituents who actually care.
Speaker 5: So yeah, lots to say there. We want to thank
Speaker 5: you guys.
Speaker 2: This has been sound Bites number nine, very sad soundbites
Speaker 2: number nine. I want to end by praying for the
Speaker 2: metcalf family who have lost their son, their other son,
Speaker 2: who has to live on with the face of his
Speaker 2: brother every single day and be reminded that he's not
Speaker 2: there with him anymore.
Speaker 5: I can't even imagine that pain. So we are praying
Speaker 5: for them. We ask our audience to do the same.
Speaker 5: Eric Eggers.
Speaker 2: I hope you have a great rest of your week.
Speaker 2: Thank you for joining sound Bites Rogue Recap. You're always awesome.
Speaker 2: Appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Linda, you are the best. Thanks to everybody that watches
Speaker 3: and subscribes. Please leave us a comment and if I
Speaker 3: would say, if you guys have a clip you want
Speaker 3: us to cover on the next episode, yes, feel free
Speaker 3: to tweet it at us right tweeted at Eric Underscore
Speaker 3: Eggers at Linda Mick. We would love to kind of
Speaker 3: hear from you, and we love doing this is really
Speaker 3: today's show was difficult, but I do think that the
Speaker 3: work that we try to cover is important because I
Speaker 3: can literally say, Linda, you know the clips that you
Speaker 3: come up with and you play on these things I
Speaker 3: don't see anywhere else.
Speaker 4: So yeah, you know it shows you. It matters.
Speaker 5: Hence the name It's rogue. Bye, everybody, have a great night.