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Speaker 5: One and only Bomani Jones.

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Speaker 1: Both.

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Speaker 5: Thanks so much for hopping on with us. We appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really weird to be a doubt, just as

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Speaker 1: my name because I ain't got no job. I was

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Speaker 1: getting ready for the wind up, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: Like like you know you're gonna run through all these things.

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Speaker 6: Nope, nope, nope, nope, dope.

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Speaker 5: more money on Twitter.

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Speaker 6: I'd be out here dogs, That's where you can copy.

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Speaker 7: Outside. Are you fun employed? You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you got a lot going though, right? So

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Speaker 1: fun employed is interesting because I always say, like it's

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Speaker 1: fun employment when you still getting checks, Like when you

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Speaker 1: lose your job the first two weeks, it's still fun

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Speaker 1: employment because you getting checked two weeks after that. And

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Speaker 1: in this one, I had like some vacation or whatever

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Speaker 1: I got that it's cool. I'm just a little bored.

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Speaker 1: That's like I got ideas in the hopper, and I

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Speaker 1: got time to work all some stuff. Normally at a

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Speaker 1: time like this, I go on the world tour. I

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Speaker 1: I got things to work all. But it's like it's

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Speaker 1: so it's a bunch of stuff that I don't really

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Speaker 1: know how to start. So I got a bunch of

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Speaker 1: like stuff on the notepad on the phone that's like

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Speaker 1: full of stuff, but I don't quite know, like fully

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Speaker 1: how to turn it over. But i'd be having meetings,

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Speaker 1: you know, like you do some like like I got

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Speaker 1: reason to leave a house, you know. But we're coming back,

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Speaker 1: So the right time, Like I know where the right

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Speaker 1: time is going, I just ain't put in for surfer,

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Speaker 1: so I can't say nothing about it, so it just

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, so you know we have a timeline on

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Speaker 3: the right time times because I know you can hit

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Speaker 1: Man, I assume that probably, like sometime in October, we'll

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Speaker 1: you might as well wait till January. And I would

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Speaker 1: but it would be pretty cool if a check. Just

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Speaker 7: It's cool to run a score up a little bit.

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Speaker 7: That's what That's what my call. You know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Just run we got you know, the check helps to

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Speaker 1: Also, man, anybody that's ever done like a real time

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Speaker 2: You don't really notice how much you spend till you

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Speaker 2: Like I'm aware of it, but it feels a particular

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Speaker 4: You know, when we got laid off from the newspaper,

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Speaker 8: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: You're just like, this is this is all I got,

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Speaker 5: I'm walking it across the street.

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Speaker 1: Yo. They just don't even go into work like you.

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Speaker 1: You make a net profit in theory, right, But if

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Speaker 4: Will be a drain, right, Facts Facts fact, fiber optic

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Speaker 4: Internet me up.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: Well, bo, I think the reason John and Tyler especially

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Speaker 4: wanted to have you on is we've been talking, like

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Speaker 4: everyone else, sort of NonStop about Dion Sanders, and I

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Speaker 4: know they were curious for your opinion on some of that.

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Speaker 4: Before we start, I have to.

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Speaker 5: Put my sunglasses and hat on because this is how

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Speaker 7: I guess this man came to a pond with props.

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Speaker 4: Bro, what do you what do you think of Colorado

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Speaker 4: State's head coach saying his mom taught him to take

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Speaker 1: All right, I want to start by saying, because I

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Speaker 1: we got well over ten years and again, yeah, what

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Speaker 1: do you think about it? Right? Like, yeah, we're like

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Speaker 1: come on here and talk about Da Sad because y'all

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Speaker 1: may have noticed that. Honestly, since like January or February,

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Speaker 1: I've been kind of on the this ain't a safe space.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, he's who lends to reasonable conversations.

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Speaker 1: No, And like I thought I was saying reasonable stuff

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Speaker 1: like really measured in talking about him before, and it

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Speaker 1: over the place as talking about diond So there's gonna

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Speaker 1: be some places when we talk about Dion where I'm

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Speaker 1: for sure. But I am glad that coach from Colorado

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Speaker 1: State said that about Dya a couple of reasons. One,

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Speaker 1: that's a rivalry game in that state. Rivalry games are

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Speaker 1: supposed to be petty and silly. This is what it's

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Speaker 1: supposed to feel like, go out there and do it.

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Speaker 1: Say it cool. Number Two, this part's very important. I've

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Speaker 1: heard a lot of people say that what they love

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Speaker 1: about what's going on with dion is how he's making

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Speaker 1: so many people mad, right, has Loney? He making the

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Speaker 1: white folks mad. Finally one of these white people is

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Speaker 1: actually emerged, because I ain't seen one of these white

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Speaker 1: people that's been so mad about Dionne Sanders and you.

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Speaker 7: They love him in balder Yeah, I'm just saying, like.

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Speaker 1: I live at Halem, you know what I'm saying at

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Speaker 1: Hall of Them that's still pretty black. And I don't

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Speaker 1: really be interacted with strangers like that no more so.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I just ain't been around the right white people.

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Speaker 1: But the white people I know don't really seem to

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Speaker 1: have a problem with Dion. Like people have described this

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Speaker 1: idea because they want to feel better about it, and

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Speaker 1: don't nothing make the culture feel better than making white

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Speaker 1: folks mad like like that's that's it. Don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 1: me too, I'm just not convinced that that is absolutely

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Speaker 1: like he hated, right like that, That's all that sounds like,

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Speaker 1: is that he's hating. But what he did was tap

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Speaker 1: we've really stopped and done the math on this all

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Speaker 1: right twenty five I mean thirty five years ago, and

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Speaker 1: Dion Sanders sat in his dorm room and created the

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Speaker 1: the brand of Primetime. Primetime went so far as they

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Speaker 1: used to do the walk, like at Florida State, they

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Speaker 1: to get people charged up. Now, Dion dion for big games,

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Speaker 1: including I believe the Florida game that year where he

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Speaker 1: ran stretch limo and came out in all white touts.

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Speaker 1: He has been thinking about this since he was twenty

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Speaker 1: one years old. You fast forward to right now, it's

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Speaker 1: the same brand. How many brands can you think about

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Speaker 1: that have endured for thirty five years.

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Speaker 8: He's made He's made.

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Speaker 1: Some adjustments, he's added some stuff, he's taking some things out.

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Speaker 1: That dude is on the sideline and maybe people are

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Speaker 1: talking about this on Twitter, but I haven't seen anybody

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Speaker 1: bring this up. He wearing a gold chain with a

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Speaker 1: go whistle around it. I assure you he can't blow

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Speaker 1: in that right. This is five years of maintain a

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Speaker 1: brand that is adapted, that is adjusted, that he's gone

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Speaker 1: through highs, that he's gone through lows, and somehow is

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Speaker 1: a brand that works as a college football coach. Yes, genius.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know a lot of people are like, you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't understand why Dian is such a big deal,

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Speaker 3: And I think it's just that simple is that he's

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Speaker 3: fucking cool.

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Speaker 8: And he's been cool as long as we've known.

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Speaker 3: Him, right, like, like, and the ood thing is he's

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Speaker 3: not the first quote unquote cool football player. Like you know,

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Speaker 3: thing is like their cooness doesn't transcend errors the way

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Speaker 3: Deon's cooness has, Right, Dan, It's kind of like the

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Speaker 3: blueprint for the Braggado ships, you know, cocky, arrogant, flat fly,

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, I feel like there's

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Speaker 8: Like a ton of charismatic coaches, Yeah, very fun cool coaches.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well like Barry Switzer I think, for example, were

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Speaker 2: All of us we're hard bottoms and carrying briefcases.

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Speaker 7: Shit, we still carrying backpacks to work, nigga.

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Speaker 1: I don't wear anything with a hard bottom on my feet.

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Speaker 1: You know, like, like we different. But Dion's cool. The

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Speaker 1: be writing all these books about these dudes that people

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Speaker 1: wrote about Bo Schembuck Beckler and Woody Hayes and all

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Speaker 7: You know what their new balance all Tody Khakis.

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Speaker 5: You feel me right?

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Speaker 1: And So what Dion has done that I think is

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Speaker 1: They're they're just boring now, like like there's nothing. Kirby

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Speaker 2: What's what's interesting to us the sideline for me, like

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Speaker 2: the people I'll see on the sideline are people you

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Speaker 7: He appeals to the nigga in.

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Speaker 2: Me in a particular way, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 2: Like like my sister after his interview of his first

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Speaker 2: And like he Peel appeals to that sentiment I have

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Speaker 2: never personally, I mean a few people you see that

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Speaker 2: I didn't think you could be able to do that because,

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Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying, and see you.

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Speaker 2: And that's the second widest place I've ever been in

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Speaker 7: Border is a second white this I've ever been, you

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Speaker 1: He takes something interesting about the sideline now that you

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Speaker 7: There, even Nashville going to Austin.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like Willy Nelson in his circle of people moved

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Speaker 1: which is to say, that's kind of how far I

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Speaker 1: who's just a big fan of Texas. He can get

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Speaker 1: looking at the Red Rock schedule, seeing who played a

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Speaker 6: Like something I didn't.

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Speaker 1: Hammer at that point was about as close to Michael

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Speaker 1: Jackson as you could be without being Michael Jackson. He's

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Speaker 1: on the sidelines not because he's down with the Falcons

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Speaker 1: because of Dion Ham again, dionna record deal. Look, I

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Speaker 6: Albums out of there, Like he was fucking famous.

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Speaker 1: And if anything has happened in these last few month,

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Speaker 1: it's my reminder that damn, this dude really, really really

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was a singular guy. Like like I said,

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Speaker 3: when we were kids, he was a god. He was

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Speaker 3: like he was on that tier. You know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 3: And and and you know, like I said, I think

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Speaker 3: fact that, you know, his coolness has transcended decades.

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Speaker 2: Like we wanted his shoes, like m Jackson, we wanted

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Speaker 2: we wanted them dion shoes.

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Speaker 3: I got both pairs of the diamond turf ones. I

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Speaker 3: And the thing is like, like I said, his coolness

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Speaker 3: has transcended in ways that a lot of athletes schooloness hasn't. Like, Like,

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Speaker 3: you know, Shador just tried doing you know, the high

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Speaker 2: Like that should look hard though too. When he did,

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Speaker 7: That's crazy.

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Speaker 8: You feel me?

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Speaker 7: With the dion zone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was the thing I looked at. I

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Speaker 1: about to come back, Like this would be very interesting

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Speaker 1: because I do not believe that Colorado is a Nike

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Speaker 1: school and Nike's about to be like diamond Turf back

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't.

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Speaker 4: Like.

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Speaker 1: I wound up trying to make this point on Twitter

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Speaker 1: with some people and I couldn't get him to understand it.

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Speaker 1: I ain't gonna ever be rooting against him, right, I

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Speaker 1: don't really rock with the entirety of his steeds, but

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Speaker 1: the way the way my black works ain't gonna really

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Speaker 1: be no rooting against diond and ain't gonna be no

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Speaker 1: like acknowledging what the truth is, and the truth is

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Speaker 1: He's that guy like he makes so where this gets frustrated.

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Speaker 1: A lot of dig riding going on right like like

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Speaker 1: it's a heavy proportion of dig rid that's going on and.

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Speaker 2: Too healthies, two handfuls of dick you know what have you?

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Speaker 1: We're seeing people engage in that that are like really

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Speaker 1: that effect on people. People want to be down with Dion.

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Speaker 2: He makes the famous people forget their famous. Yes, you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean when you're around Dion, like you're nervous,

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Speaker 2: Like the people are nervous around you when they're like

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Speaker 7: To a famous person, you know what I'm saying. So yeah, well, I.

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Speaker 4: Think you mentioned the staying power of his brand. We

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Speaker 4: have high school football players in Long Beach who when

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Speaker 4: This is my favorite athlete of all time. Do you

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Speaker 4: know as a as a person, his age to be

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Speaker 4: Long Beach. That's like, I don't even I don't even

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Speaker 1: I will say this so I would like to ask

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Speaker 1: S one?

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Speaker 4: No like that, don't listen to Drake, That's what. But

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Speaker 4: that's why I was looking at But these are the

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Speaker 4: Brown go debas, like you talk about two old people?

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Speaker 4: Why do I give a fuck about that?

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Speaker 5: You know what I mean? Like Paul George is the

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Speaker 1: To these kids, well, i'd be curious, like if those

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Speaker 1: and I like people get into the Dion is unquestioned

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Speaker 1: be the best corner of all time. You don't know that, Like,

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Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not saying that Dion is not. I'm

437
00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,040
Speaker 1: just saying that most of the people who say that

438
00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,879
Speaker 1: have never given this any actual thought and can't consider

439
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Speaker 1: who number two is. But Dion again, the first person

440
00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,040
Speaker 1: to ever make us think about who the best corner

441
00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,200
Speaker 1: is of all time? He said it, and we're.

442
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Speaker 6: Like, oh, we'll ride with it.

443
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:53,320
Speaker 1: But but he's definitely, without question, way up there right

444
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Speaker 1: like of those I've seen with my own eyes.

445
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Speaker 3: We're talking about him sim ross him, ro Winson and

446
00:20:58,359 --> 00:20:59,359
Speaker 3: Reeves probably like those of.

447
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,400
Speaker 1: Can't and Cha't Bailey right, Like that's you know, that's

448
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,560
Speaker 1: where we get in as Oh but think about this

449
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 1: for a second. You seeing that clip of Jason Kelsey

450
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,679
Speaker 1: talking about corners, like play a corner so hard they

451
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:10,840
Speaker 1: don't even like white guys try.

452
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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw that. Yeah, yeah, I do.

453
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,399
Speaker 1: Believe that corner has to be the hardest position to play.

454
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:17,879
Speaker 1: And the reason that I believe it has to be

455
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 1: the hardest position to play is this the only position

456
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Speaker 1: that you could be regular size and play Like every

457
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 1: other position in the in football, you have to size

458
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Speaker 1: yourself into to be able to play.

459
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Speaker 6: Yeah.

460
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Speaker 1: Yeah, like my man, like my man Dominie Foxworth. You

461
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,880
Speaker 1: don't know that it's a pro athlete unless you tell them,

462
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Speaker 1: Like when you walk around with a corner, they're just

463
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 1: like walking around with a person if they ain't that

464
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Speaker 1: like you know, like a like a shirt, like a

465
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Speaker 1: like a tech top all or something like that. So

466
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Speaker 1: there are more people eligible to be a corner than

467
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Speaker 1: there is to be anything else, and this dude athletically

468
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 1: was that much better than everybody else while in the

469
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Speaker 1: middle of the seasons holding down a side job playing baseball.

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Speaker 7: Crazy.

471
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Speaker 4: I have a question, like I think Bo you from

472
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Speaker 4: what I've seen you talk about, I think you and

473
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Speaker 4: Tyler have a very similar thought process around Dion, And

474
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Speaker 4: I'm just kind of curious about that. To the extent

475
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Speaker 4: Tyler's talked about in the show, to the extent you

476
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Speaker 4: guys are comfortable talking about it, It's like it does

477
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,200
Speaker 4: feel like you always get a little nervous when the

478
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Speaker 4: white guys long ago white up. Yeah, well, it's like

479
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,399
Speaker 4: it's been Tyler's point. It's like Tyler was like full

480
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Speaker 4: on double middle finger fucked Deon after the way he

481
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Speaker 4: left Jackson State.

482
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Speaker 8: Right, but also, hey, I haven't switched on that. I

483
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Speaker 8: hated the way he left jack the State.

484
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Speaker 2: But right, but but right, And you still say you're

485
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Speaker 2: not rooting for him though, and I'm not.

486
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Speaker 3: I'm not rooting against him either, you know, because because

487
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:46,479
Speaker 3: you know, like I mentioned before, the whole thing, if

488
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Speaker 3: you're rooting against Dion, you're rooting against his players, you

489
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 3: know what I mean? Like the college coaches and players

490
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 3: performance are so intrinsically tired that my favorite thing about

491
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Speaker 3: this whole move to Colorado is how Shitdor and Travis

492
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Speaker 3: Hunter have cashed the fuck out. Travis Hunt is gonna

493
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Speaker 3: be a top five pick when he comes out. Shad

494
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 3: Doors has a stabished himself as a first round QB

495
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 3: gum boys getting the back, and I love that for them.

496
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Speaker 3: But like I said, I'm I don't I'm never gonna

497
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Speaker 3: rock with the way he left Jackson State.

498
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Speaker 7: I mean, I think the only way we do, the

499
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Speaker 7: only thing we disagree.

500
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Speaker 2: On is that I'm rooting for him, you know what

501
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like, I don't fuck with how he left

502
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Speaker 2: Jackson State.

503
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Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying.

504
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 2: I don't fuck with like how he built the fan

505
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Speaker 2: base in Jackson State when he was coming around, Like

506
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 2: the verbiage.

507
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 7: He used and appealed to country nigga.

508
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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, thing like God put me

509
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 2: here and all that, you know what I'm saying.

510
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Speaker 7: But at the same time, like there's something about him.

511
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Speaker 2: That I root for, you know, even after seeing that

512
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Speaker 2: part of it that I didn't like of Dion, So

513
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Speaker 2: I think that's The only place.

514
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say this my whole thing is we didn't

515
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Speaker 3: need all the theatrics when he left Jackson State.

516
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Speaker 7: We didn't.

517
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Speaker 8: We all knew.

518
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Speaker 3: We all knew Jackson State was a pisstop. Shit, we

519
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 3: all know Colorado's a pit stop, all right. I was

520
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,919
Speaker 3: never upset that he left Jackson State. I just didn't

521
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 3: like the way he left Jackson State because for sure, Yeah,

522
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 3: the thing about that Jackson State higher is we all

523
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 3: were a bit skeptical when Dion took that job. Because

524
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Speaker 3: the thing about being an HBCU coach is, you know,

525
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 3: being an HBCU, being a coach at HBCU was different

526
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,479
Speaker 3: than being a PARA five coach because there's like a

527
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Speaker 3: certain level of selflessness that you have to have and

528
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 3: implement as an HBCU coach. Like HBCUs are not NFL

529
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 3: mills that are just cranking out pros like your parafives,

530
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 3: like your Clymses, like your Bama's. No, you're going to

531
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Speaker 3: have like two or three pros a decade as an

532
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Speaker 3: HBCU football coach, right, That's not the main focus at

533
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 3: an HBCU.

534
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Speaker 8: These are kids who.

535
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Speaker 3: Who this is like the last stop that you know,

536
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 3: for most of them where their athletic ability is going

537
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Speaker 3: to take them, and it took them all the way

538
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 3: to a full ride for a college education.

539
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Speaker 1: Right.

540
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 3: So the great HBCU coaches have an understand that football

541
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 3: is not the end all be all here. They understand

542
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 3: that the main objective as an HBCU coach is you

543
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,199
Speaker 3: are a black man who is going to guide and

544
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 3: mentor these black teenage kids and help them grow into

545
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 3: being responsible, disciplined, successful young adults.

546
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: Right.

547
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,360
Speaker 3: And Dion, he was saying all the shit that led

548
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Speaker 3: us to believe that he understood the magnitude of the

549
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,439
Speaker 3: unique uniqueness of the position he was in the Jackson State, right,

550
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 3: and his actions.

551
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 8: A lot of his actions lended to that too.

552
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 3: Like Dan was very much on his kid's asks about

553
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 3: you know, class attendants, about getting good grades, about giving

554
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 3: back to the community.

555
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 8: Right. It seemed nerved by.

556
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Speaker 1: The way of the man who got us the Dion

557
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 1: Sanders rule because he skipped a whole semester and had

558
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: to scramble at the end to get an online degree

559
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Speaker 1: so he could be a coup.

560
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 3: Sorry about this, No, no, no, no, very much needed context,

561
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 3: but it seemed like this was a dude who a

562
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 3: lot of us thought was too self centered to be

563
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,439
Speaker 3: this selfless mentor that HBCU coaches need to be, and

564
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 3: it felt like he was proving us wrong for a

565
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 3: little bit there. Then he left, and like I said,

566
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 3: I did not have an issue with him leaving, but

567
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 3: he just did that smear job on his way out,

568
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 3: you know, where he needed to make this all about

569
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 3: him in a way that it didn't even need to be.

570
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 3: But it's it's it's you know, he tried to pull

571
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 3: that tired ass self appointed.

572
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 7: About the money and all that shit.

573
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he went in and tried to pull that

574
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 3: tired ass self appointed HPECU savior who was let down

575
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 3: by the very people he saw. He tried to say bullshit,

576
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 3: and it's like, we didn't need that, bro, Take your

577
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 3: thirty million go to Colorado. He's telling us he wasn't

578
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 3: supported enough at that school that has led the FCS

579
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 3: in attendance for years. He thought there was Shannon Sharp,

580
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 3: you know, shout sat the homie, Shanne, Welcome to the volume,

581
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 3: my boy. And he went on his show trying to

582
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 3: finger wag at JSU boosters by pointing to the fact

583
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 3: that like only eight percent of HBCU alums donate to

584
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 3: their alma matters when that's the same rate that white

585
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 3: PWI alums donate to their alma matters as well, when

586
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 3: he's saying folks at JSU weren't digging in their pocketbooks

587
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 3: when JSU had a fundraiser while he was there with

588
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 3: the five hundred thousand dollars target and they smashed that

589
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 3: shit and raise six hundred thousand.

590
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Speaker 8: Right.

591
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Speaker 3: So, so I didn't like, like I said, I did,

592
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 3: just I just didn't like the way he left. I

593
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 3: didn't like how he resorted to perpetuating the whole HBCUs

594
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 3: or broken institutions ran by broken black people with broken

595
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 3: metes just to say fact, say face to the fact

596
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 3: that he was leaving after three years. He didn't need

597
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 3: to do that, right, we all knew Jackson State was

598
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 3: a pit stop. It's like he tried to sell us

599
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 3: on being all on all his you know, for us

600
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 3: by us shit, and then he was like, yeah, I

601
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 3: ain't gonna lie to y'all.

602
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 8: The white man's ice is actually.

603
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Speaker 1: Colder, and I think you were in the same place

604
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: that I was. And then I was doubly confounded because

605
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: I had people accusing me of attacking a black man

606
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 1: when I was defending black people, right Like, your priority

607
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 1: is this one black man because he's Deon Sanders ignoring

608
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: all the disrespect that had been done to black people.

609
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: But that's done now, right Like, there's nothing, like, there's

610
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,479
Speaker 1: nothing I can do or say about what happened at

611
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: Jackson State. It's a rap. Now he's now the coach

612
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: at Colorado. And as I said at the time, I'd

613
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 1: have took that job too. I wouldn't have done it

614
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: the way that he did, but I absolutely would have

615
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: taken that job. And look, part of why I'm like

616
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 1: being careful about how much I say about this and

617
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: when is just because what we're really gonna know about

618
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: this team is after Oregon and after USC, right Like

619
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: that's what we're really gonna know what the deal is.

620
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: Nebraska as a game wasn't really gonna tell us anything.

621
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: I don't know how much Colorado State is gonna tell us,

622
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: But the truth is, yeah, this is. But this is

623
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: gonna be ups and downs in this voyage, in this

624
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: journey what like, for this season, for the whole time

625
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. But I do kind of feel

626
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: like being present in the moment to a degree, and

627
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,479
Speaker 1: it allows an appreciation for the fact that they've already

628
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: exceeded the expectations that most people had. Shadore, I watched

629
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: him play a little bit at Jackson State, and I

630
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: thought he was a good FCS level quarterback, right, not

631
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: HBCU level FCS. Like, I think he was at the

632
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: top level of FCS, but it wasn't enough to make

633
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: me feel like he gonna kill it if he get

634
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: on this biggest stage. And he's been so much better

635
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: in these two games, Like I didn't watch the first game,

636
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: but in that second game, he was so much better

637
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: than I thought that he could be at that level.

638
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: Like that stuff is really cool that they've managed to

639
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: pull that off. In the level of excitement. This is

640
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: the biggest story outside of the NFL. If Aaron Rodgers

641
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: doesn't pop his achilles, this is the biggest story in sports.

642
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: People are coming all over to watch it, and it's

643
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: great and I'm watching, you know, it's the idea that

644
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: we got a black America has a program. Again. It's

645
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: kind of weird because the dynamics is so much different

646
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: this go round. But there's a whole generation of kids

647
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: that don't realize we used to have like a handful

648
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: of hour teams, right Colorado's Colorado.

649
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 6: Which didn't which didn't become that when.

650
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: They had a squad full of crips and was winning

651
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: the national championship.

652
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 8: They had a QB and we still weren't really rocking

653
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 8: with it.

654
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: In the nine they won a national championship with a

655
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: black quarterback and you don't even remember his name.

656
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 6: Who was it, Harriet Hagen?

657
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 2: Okay, I did have a quarter of stores in eighth grade, though,

658
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 2: that's by the time he was with the Steelers, I believe.

659
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 6: But any Cordell was a beast of Colorado, a beast.

660
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: But see that's another part too. Part of why this

661
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: is working at Colorado is that Dion is like, weirdly

662
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: the opposite side of the Bill McCartney coin. For those

663
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: of you who are familiar with the promise keepers, the

664
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: people that show up and get eighty thousand people at

665
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: your stadium, the same white people gospel songs and do

666
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: all that stuff. The man behind that is the former

667
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,719
Speaker 1: head coach at the University of Colorado or Colorado, Bill McCartney,

668
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: to do they won national championships with I thought that

669
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: Dion's Jesus game wouldn't work that well in such a

670
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: blue area, blue versus Red, but that I forgot. They're

671
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: og did this exactly like Dion did, like Oki found

672
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: the right place for him to be and at least

673
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: for two weeks. Man, that shit cracky.

674
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a phenomenon of me. Bro'.

675
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 2: I've like I'm seeing people from here talking about it.

676
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: I'm rooting for like you have USC here and they're

677
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 2: rooting for Colorado. You know what I'm saying, Like people

678
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 2: who are traditionally USC fans like I right man, you know,

679
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 2: like wish you the best. But the niggas over here,

680
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 2: I'm going with my people, you feel I'm saying to Buffalo,

681
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 2: I've never seen anything like this.

682
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: Gee, you talk to those people at halftime at a

683
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: USC gag. I'm only saying that because I don't know

684
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: how much you fellas have gotten to watch that quarterback.

685
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: The USC has.

686
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 4: Special but whoa whoa Well yeah, but John and I

687
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 4: talked about that like it's broken. This story's broken containment.

688
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 4: Like I have friends who do not give a fuck

689
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 4: about college football, who are who are asking, who are

690
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 4: like making plans to have people over for the USC

691
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 4: Colorado game, like it's like it's a title fight, you.

692
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 5: Know what I mean.

693
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 4: And yes, like the dbs on both teams and the

694
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 4: quarterbacks on both teams. It could be like one hundred

695
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 4: and twenty point game. I mean, it could be a

696
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 4: really fun game. But it does feel like it's exceeded

697
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 4: that level of like a certain number of people were

698
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 4: following the way he left Jackson State, a certain number

699
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 4: of people are following like, oh, someone got hired at Colorado.

700
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 4: I have friends who are barely sports fans that are like,

701
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 4: this is the story right now that I care about,

702
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 4: So that like that's where I'm interested to see where

703
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 4: it goes, because y'all are paying attention and you're thinking

704
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,959
Speaker 4: about the way that he was moving like he Ultimately

705
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 4: there's some level of con in the way that he's presented,

706
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 4: like the way that he's.

707
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 5: Passed up and he's been successful in doing it.

708
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 4: That's why, as you pointed out, he's been able to

709
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 4: run it for you know, a decade on decade on decade.

710
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,479
Speaker 4: But if it feels like and not to super redraw

711
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 4: the lines, like it does feel almost a little like

712
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 4: like like Trumpion in the way that it's like your

713
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 4: enemies are my enemies. I'm making these people. I'm making

714
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 4: the people you want it to be mad mad, So

715
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 4: like forgive the stuff I've done in the way that

716
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 4: it's always been sort of confusing to me to see

717
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 4: evangelicals taking up for Donald Trump, having grown up at

718
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 4: you know.

719
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 5: When we grew up.

720
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 4: It sort of it feels like he's trying to pull

721
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 4: the same thing, Like I know, you want someone to

722
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 4: make these fucking white media guys feel like shit, and

723
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be the one to do it, you know,

724
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 4: So fuck whatever I said before, Like this is the

725
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 4: new this is what we're selling right now, you know.

726
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 6: But they were riding with it what he said the

727
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 6: stuff before.

728
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: Like that's the thing.

729
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 6: It's not even like like I do.

730
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: See some people who I think, and I guess maybe

731
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: to a degree, people think I'm one of them who

732
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: have tempered their feelings about diadd and my feelings about diadd.

733
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: I'm not being tempered. They just not what we're talking

734
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: about right now. Like what we're talking about right now

735
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: is an actual legitimate college football story. And what I hope,

736
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: and this is what I wonder if people going to

737
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: look around and See, there ain't no money in being boring,

738
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: and everybody seems to believe somehow that there is. There's

739
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: a risk minimization, you're not gonna mess up no money

740
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: necessarily being more being born, But there ain't really no

741
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: money and being boring and returning an actual real life

742
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: personality to college football, which is and should be the

743
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: most personality driven of all of these sports. That's the

744
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: part that I want to see if people realize that,

745
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: hey man, you might want to get somebody that can

746
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: like really really run a room and it'll do it

747
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: in front of people and they'll say some things that

748
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: might be wrong now and then okay, cool, like yo,

749
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: let's let's do this that way. That is that right?

750
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: There is where I think maybe they could be like

751
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: some real influence that comes out of this because I'm

752
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: just really I'm really sad here thought about It's like

753
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: when's there the last When was the last time prior

754
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: to this that you had a coach that made you

755
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: field anything?

756
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 4: You're you're so right, I mean like like Linker Riley

757
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 4: comes to us, see he gets everyone fired up about USC.

758
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 4: I've never I'm not I'm not turning the TV on

759
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 4: for a press conference. I don't give a fuck what

760
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,240
Speaker 4: Linker Riley has to say.

761
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 5: It's just cool he brought Caleb to to USC, you know.

762
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 8: But like, but you're right, sorry.

763
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, but like they're all all these people are

764
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 4: hr people. You're right, Like it's like they all get up.

765
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 4: It's like I could say the words lived experience like

766
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 4: a talk like you know what I mean, But they're not,

767
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 4: Like they don't bring any personality. You're so right about

768
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 4: Kirby Smart. I don't give a fuck about Kirby Smart

769
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 4: at Georgia, Like I could not possibly give less of

770
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 4: a fuck deon you. I'm watching everything he's got to say.

771
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 3: I will I will say I think Dabboswiney evokes a

772
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 3: lot of emotions, but it's intrigued. Yeah yeah, I wouldn't

773
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 3: say he evokes the same type of intrigue that Dion does.

774
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 3: I think Dabbo has really just done a pivot to

775
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 3: being like such a one adien to being like a

776
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,720
Speaker 3: feeling that we all fuck love to hate now because

777
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 3: the whole thing about about Dabbles, like when he came out,

778
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 3: you know, we are like, oh, look at this good

779
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 3: old country, down home boy, you know, making jokes about

780
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 3: how well, if you want to wrestle a pig, you

781
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 3: might as well take the shirt off or whatever the

782
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 3: fuck right then one and then one day Dabbo was like, well,

783
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 3: gollagey whillakers, I just think all labor should be exploded.

784
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 8: We were like, whoa, who is this guy?

785
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.

786
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 3: So, yeah, I do think that Dabbo is like the

787
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 3: only other coaches who evokes yeah, you know, emotionally, Like

788
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 3: I said, I don't know if he evokes the intrigue

789
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 3: that Dion has.

790
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: Yeah. They think I get Dabbo credit for is that

791
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: he's true to himself. Like I don't buy a lot

792
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: of what Dabbo is selling. And I think that he's

793
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: using a state institution to run a church, which is

794
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: its own problem, like that Clemson program, Like it's a

795
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: little too close to God, Like you're just not in this.

796
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: You can't do that if you're the state. And I

797
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: think that's gonna ultimately be a Dion question that comes

798
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: up at some point. Also, I mean, he's wearing JC

799
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: on the sleeve, you know, going out there shame for

800
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 1: his beliefs. But that can easily trample over and that

801
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: we don't recruit you unless you're died and you know,

802
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: and that becomes problematic. But something I was thinking about

803
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: with like the black program thing and where this is

804
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: different than the other black programs, And this is where

805
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: I think it's something that's fair to look at, Dion,

806
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 1: is this has got to be bigger than you at

807
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: some point though, because the reason that Miami was a

808
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: black program wasn't because of Jimmy Johnson. It was because

809
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: of the players. Right are we going to get to

810
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: know players beyond your son and your number one protege,

811
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, I like, you should

812
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: be the front that sells this. But then once you

813
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: get in there, it's supposed to bring a light to

814
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: everything else that goes on there. And what Dion has

815
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: always been good at is putting the light on Dion.

816
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: The point ain't never been to put the light on

817
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: other people. Like this should now get us Like it's

818
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,439
Speaker 1: worked out well with Shador because I think we're seeing

819
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: him in the light that we probably wouldn't have if

820
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: he wasn't Dion Sun, he wouldn't associated with him in

821
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 1: this way. But the light guy to get shared.

822
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'm I'm curious about who the people who

823
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 3: think that Dion is just railing against you know, the

824
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 3: white system, because I don't think it's that. I think

825
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 3: Diana is just doing the same shit white coaches have done,

826
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 3: just as a black guy.

827
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 5: Tyler, do you think that? Do you think that's how

828
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 5: he's selling it?

829
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: Like?

830
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 5: Do you agree that's how he's selling it?

831
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: Though?

832
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,720
Speaker 3: I mean Dion himself, Like, there's a sixty minute interview

833
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 3: he said, the goal of his time and Jackson State

834
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 3: was to be disruptive. Was to you, was to be

835
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 3: a college coach that they had never seen before. And

836
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 3: then it's like you leave Jackson State and you go

837
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 3: on rich Eisen with them white folks and you yacking,

838
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 3: yucking it up and having them crack up at that

839
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 3: trash ass joke he made about one linebackers from single

840
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 3: parent homes and quarterbacks from two parents. I'm like, bro, Yeah,

841
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 3: I'm like, bro, that is that even white people know

842
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 3: not to say that in public anymore. Dog, you know

843
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like that is the nineteen eighty six

844
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 3: white people shit you're saying right now?

845
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: You know different?

846
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's only because I don't think that he's doing

847
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,479
Speaker 3: anything that is unique. I don't think he's railing against

848
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 3: any system. I will say this, Deon's timing is impeccable

849
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 3: because we're in the NIL era and Dion has always

850
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 3: been about cashing out. He wants his kids to get paid,

851
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 3: right like he wants everybody to cash out. And that

852
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 3: is something that where you know, of course you look

853
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 3: at the at the talent pool of college football, it

854
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 3: is mostly black people. So if he wants, you know,

855
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 3: college kids to get played paid, he's like, yo, I

856
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 3: want most of these black kids to get paid, and

857
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 3: that you know, you know, intrinsically becomes a pro black

858
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 3: stance in some in some degree, right. So I think

859
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 3: that the time he worked out great for Dann in

860
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 3: that aspect. But I don't think Deon's doing anything different

861
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 3: than any of these white coaches do.

862
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,479
Speaker 1: But see the NIL thing though was ready to shot

863
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: on the player's part becomes very important, right because they

864
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 1: got to get the shot so that they can get

865
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: the money, because otherwise they get the.

866
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 6: Money to Dion, who's gonna take it all all?

867
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: I tell you, they tell you what I can't wait for,

868
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: and I don't know what day is coming, but you know,

869
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: God did well that day is coming. When are we

870
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: gonna find out about the extension? Because he's getting paid

871
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: five million dollars a year this year and he is

872
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: clearly worth no less than fifteen to them, to them,

873
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: like while I've always thought the Colorado would probably be

874
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: a pit stop, he's worth so much money to them

875
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: in a way that I don't know if it's worth

876
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: it to anybody else. And also I don't know how long,

877
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: like we're in the novelty stage m hm, So I

878
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: don't know how long this keeps being cool or what

879
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: happens when they lose some games or anything else. But

880
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: I bet you we know Dion Dion don walk to

881
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: the President's office already asking questions about where the dollars at.

882
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 7: They, I mean, they had to make some shit shake

883
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 7: to give him that five.

884
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 5: Didn't they.

885
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 7: They don't know they can afford him to what he

886
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 7: give money's worth.

887
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 6: They hired him and didn't know where the money was coming.

888
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: From, right right right to figure it out, find the

889
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: money to give.

890
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 2: Him that, especially in that rich ass that area too,

891
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 2: they gonna find a bread But yeah, I mean if

892
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 2: they get smacked up by you know, USC and Oregon,

893
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 2: you know what I mean that he might that five

894
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 2: be but the college.

895
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 5: Football media did him a big favor in that people.

896
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 4: I mean, there were writers saying, this is like one

897
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 4: of the worst you know, FCS rosters they'd ever seen.

898
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 4: Like people set the expectations such if they lose two

899
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 4: games to Oregon and USC, I think, you know.

900
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 5: We'll see, we'll see about bigger stuff.

901
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm talking about I'm talking about the excitement

902
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 2: that draws people to the sidelines and watching team that'll

903
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 2: get you the dollars that you know from from like

904
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 2: having televised games, you know what I mean, Like for

905
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 2: like a lot of people that's like, like you said,

906
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 2: we'll see what how they feel the halftime of that

907
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 2: USC game, the focus is from USC. From from Southern

908
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 2: Canta's room for Colorado right now, if Old Boy is

909
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 2: cooking a ass, they might be like, uh, let's pump

910
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 2: the brakes a little bit with this fandom, you know

911
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 2: what I mean. So I'm talking about the novelty, and well,

912
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 2: the novelty obviously wears all all the time, but the

913
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 2: excitement of the program if they're not beating teams like that,

914
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 2: because you know, a lot of people probably watch because

915
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 2: they think, you know, hey, this this team, they could

916
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 2: they could smack up a USC. If they win against USC,

917
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 2: it would be a close game, but USC could cook

918
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: the ass, you know what I'm saying.

919
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 7: But a lot of people that are watching don't.

920
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 2: Really necessarily see it that way because they are believing

921
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 2: they attached to the hype at this point, you feel me.

922
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 2: So that's why I'm saying that value might not be

923
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 2: that value if they got beat by somebody like that

924
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 2: because of the people that the people that watched the Warriors,

925
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 2: they are the best team in the world at the time,

926
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 2: they aren't watching basketball anymore, might not be watching Colorado

927
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 2: because they were just watching because of the excitement that

928
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 2: was surrounding him. If that that can kind of taint

929
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 2: that a little bit, That's That's where I'm coming from

930
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 2: with that.

931
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, alright, man, what a tide like interested in nineteen

932
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 1: ninety five, You can talking about Dion Sanders head coach

933
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: because this other thing I give him too, he wanted them.

934
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: If you can see it, you can be at motherfucker's right, Like,

935
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: I don't really I got it. I don't want to

936
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: be buying too much into that. I thigure what I'm

937
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 1: good at it, then I go do it that. Come

938
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: out here and think he good at everything, right, Like,

939
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: the belief that he has himself is amazing. People like

940
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 1: you should be inspired by that. I hope you're as talented.

941
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, because Dion, Dion's path is not easily you know, replicated.

942
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 3: You know, we mentioned how his allure is that he's cool,

943
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 3: and the whole thing is the grind to become a

944
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 3: head coach eliminates a lot of cool guys, right, Like,

945
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 3: you know, the usual path that you're gonna have to

946
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 3: take to be a head coach. Like if Dion was

947
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 3: not the charismatic icon that he is, he'd had to

948
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 3: be a dB coach somewhere.

949
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 8: He would have had to go so you know he.

950
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 3: Would yeah, yeah, he would have to be a defensive

951
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 3: coordinator somewhere. Then he then he would work his way

952
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 3: up to a head coach and that would be about

953
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 3: a ten year process, would about four or five different

954
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 3: stops and deon, you know, to his credit, you know,

955
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 3: shots to that man for knowing his worth. He was like, Nope,

956
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 3: I am charismatic. I'm a big enough name to jump

957
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 3: to the front of the line. And he had Jsu

958
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 3: who accommodated him in that. And like I said, that's

959
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 3: another thing I don't like about how you know his

960
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 3: exit there because there is no other you know, school,

961
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 3: there's only an HBCU would have given, you know, Dion

962
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 3: that shot to jump to the front of the line

963
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 3: like that. So that's another reason I didn't like you know,

964
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 3: the the the smear jop he did, you know on

965
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 3: his way out, but you know, neither here nor there.

966
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 8: But yeah, like I said, the process that.

967
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 3: Leads to people becoming a head coach eliminates a lot

968
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 3: of coo guys since they cool guys don't grind bro,

969
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.

970
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 5: And it ain't gonn.

971
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 2: It ain't gonna settle for making eight dollars over that

972
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 2: ten years either because you ain't the bread ain't there

973
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 2: until you can become a head coach.

974
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: Otherwise, at some point, Diad just would have been admitting

975
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: the facility one day and so kid k bit and

976
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: he'd have been like, I started off on floors just

977
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: like you next week. The do that look?

978
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 6: I don't blable, man, I'm got I would not want

979
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 6: to do.

980
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: Those things either, right like at that age or whatever,

981
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: I would not want to have to like the journalist's equivalent.

982
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: Do I feel like covered high schools? No, not necessarily.

983
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: I was at that point at twenty seven years old.

984
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I'm not willing to do that.

985
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: I'm have to figure out a hustle to get around

986
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: that stuff.

987
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 6: And Dion figured it out right like this ain't.

988
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: Let's appreciator for what it is right now. But I

989
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: want everybody to know this is going to have some

990
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: twists and some turns and not be a straight line,

991
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: and he will not handle everything well. And when he

992
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: doesn't handle some things well, everybody gonna have to decide

993
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: how much truth.

994
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 8: They want to tell there it is.

995
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 3: You know, I feel like I think we've addressed you

996
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 3: on enough, but I also feel like we will be

997
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 3: remiss if we had cultural critic Boumoni Jones on here

998
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 3: doing the fiftieth anniversary of Rap and then it get

999
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 3: his opinions on you know how you feel about the

1000
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 3: celebration that's been going on in regards to that.

1001
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 8: Where you feel rap is that? Now? Like, where are

1002
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 8: you at with things on that?

1003
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: I will tell you the thing that I noticed in

1004
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: all of this, and maybe somebody else has written on this.

1005
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: I don't keep up with it nearly as much. I've

1006
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: thought about writing about it, but I've just been a

1007
00:44:55,360 --> 00:45:02,720
Speaker 1: little bit too lazy. We're really he's selling mc hammer

1008
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: short in this celebration. I know that is not what

1009
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: you thought that you were going to hear, because.

1010
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 8: I but I'm intrigue, all right, I'm not.

1011
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not a Hammer fan.

1012
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 3: I do feel like I do feel like he got

1013
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 3: wrongly crucified for being perhaps rap's first huge pop star

1014
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 3: because you know, I was a kid and I didn't

1015
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 3: understand the you know, fuck Hammer sentiment that I was

1016
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 3: seeing in all the rap videos like Third you know Gas.

1017
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 3: They were punching over the Hammer, fucking doll and shit Butch.

1018
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 1: By the way, they regretted doing now, didn't they wasn't

1019
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: The thing was Hammer just wasn't that good at rapping, right,

1020
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: And I think that's the biggest cause of resentment. It

1021
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: was like, oh, this is the one, but Hammer. I

1022
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: was looking this up on the wiki. Did you realize

1023
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: that Hammer got a two and a half million dollar

1024
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: advanced from the label in nineteen eighty six or something

1025
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: like that.

1026
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 3: Damn, I remember when fifty got a million in two

1027
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 3: thousand and three, and we thought that was ridiculous money.

1028
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 3: He got two point five million, eighty six eighty six money.

1029
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 1: I think it was a rack. That's why he had

1030
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: all that money. Like Hammer is the blueprint for all

1031
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: these guys trying to get their independent label game all.

1032
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: And you know he must have been dancing his black

1033
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: ass off because Hammer was not a great MC. But

1034
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: do you realize how good you gotta be at dancing

1035
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: to make people buy a tape.

1036
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 7: Right to hear you and not see you?

1037
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: Right? Problem right right, parking lots dancing making people buy tapes.

1038
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 6: That just doesn't make any sense. But he did that.

1039
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 1: He got all the money and everything else. But the

1040
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: truth is, if you look at what the construction of

1041
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: the modern rapper is as popstar, they're all trying to

1042
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 1: do the things that Hammer pulled off thirty years ago.

1043
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: Now I bring that all up to say, lit them up,

1044
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 1: good friends. Jason England wrote a piece for The Defector

1045
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 1: about hip Hop fifty that was a pretty hard look

1046
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: at what hip hop has become where we are as

1047
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: real questions and a lot of people took comfage with

1048
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: it or had a problem with it. And I think

1049
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: maybe the clearest distillation of a lot of the points

1050
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 1: that he was ultimately tried to make and points worth

1051
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: hearing is in the end, all these cats tried to

1052
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: be hammer Right. A lot of them are like Drake

1053
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: is obviously a better rapper than hammer Right, and he

1054
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: can't dance like Hammering everything else, but he figured out

1055
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 1: how to be the pop star that all these guys

1056
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: ultimately wanted to be and wanted to become. He low

1057
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: key is the blueprint minus the bunny pants. And what

1058
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: does that say about all of this in the macro,

1059
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: because I mean, all of us here are of an

1060
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: age where and you talk about like the bow back

1061
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: against hammer there was an answer on the quality control.

1062
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: There was an idea of like rapist culture and a

1063
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 1: culture that needs to be maintained and we need to

1064
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: hold it off because the invaders are coming and everything else.

1065
00:47:58,200 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: And then the money showed up and catch us, like

1066
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you know, life's about trades, right, And

1067
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: then it went. And so it is interesting for me

1068
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: to just kind of go back and not so much

1069
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: look at how the music has changed, but looking at

1070
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: how the culture has changed, but how our attitude about

1071
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 1: what it is has changed and how as time has

1072
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: gone on, the importance of like subscribing to hip hop

1073
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: as like an ethos of life has changed, And not

1074
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: that it was necessarily the best ethos for life in

1075
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 1: the first place, but there was something kind of noble

1076
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: to the idea that we felt like we had something

1077
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: precious and something that should be protected and we ain't

1078
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: got that no more.

1079
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, you know, something that has been a point,

1080
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 3: and it was a point that was mentioned in the

1081
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 3: piece that you know you mentioned, was there was a

1082
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 3: time when, you know, raper's revolutionary. There was a time

1083
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 3: when public enemies fight the power was the summary fucking jam,

1084
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And I and it feels

1085
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 3: like like, you know, rappers kind of lost its win

1086
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 3: in that regard and it might not ever be that

1087
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 3: revolutionary again.

1088
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 8: But my my thing.

1089
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,280
Speaker 3: Is that I feel like rappers always aspirational in regards

1090
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 3: to you know, I'm in this to make some motherfucking money.

1091
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 3: And I feel like it was revolutionary because it was

1092
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 3: a bunch of poor black kids who were making ridiculous money,

1093
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 3: you know, And that's still the case for it. But

1094
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 3: you know, I'm just curious on where you stand in

1095
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 3: regards to you know, do you feel that rap loss

1096
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 3: is way because I feel like it's more just of

1097
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 3: a self actualization more than anything regards to that, because,

1098
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,760
Speaker 3: like I said, I feel like rap always had capitalistic aspirations.

1099
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 3: Every rapper had just has that, And I feel like

1100
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 3: the money is just crazy enough now to where you know,

1101
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 3: you don't even need to be you know, politically charged anymore.

1102
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 3: You know, that's just not a thriving subgenre of rap anymore.

1103
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 3: Like guys are like, you know, you get a fucking

1104
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 3: hot single on TikTok, you know, you got a little

1105
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 3: you know, your little Apple music page, just Spotify pages jumping,

1106
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 3: and you're gonna fuck around and get like a fucking

1107
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 3: half a million to old million dollar deal off top,

1108
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like like the hunger isn't

1109
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 3: really there anymore because there's so much money in this shit.

1110
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, but see this where my criticism on this stuff

1111
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: really doesn't come with the rappers themselves as much as

1112
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: looking at at the audience. So how wild is it

1113
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: that in the last we'll call it twelve eleven years now,

1114
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: like really eleven and a half the Trayvon Martin cases

1115
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 1: where I'm putting the start all this stuff with the police.

1116
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: Motherfucker's out here in the streets burning stuff down, all

1117
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: the anger, everything, the Trump years, all of this stuff

1118
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: that's happened, right, Hardly any of it has been reflected

1119
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: by the rappers of the day, not like or at

1120
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: least those with any sort of repute or anything, right, Like,

1121
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: that's not what they're making. And it's just kind of

1122
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 1: hard for me to believe that it's charged up as

1123
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: everybody was, including these young people right the dis charge,

1124
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 1: up as they were about taking down the system and

1125
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: changing everything else, that nobody could figure out how to

1126
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: make any money making music about those very themes, right,

1127
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: And that's why I say, I look at the audience

1128
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: in a way and I'm just kind of like, what

1129
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 1: are we doing, right? Like what are we asking for?

1130
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,959
Speaker 1: What are we requesting? Because I think it's really easy

1131
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: to just be like, yo, these kids, they'll be talking

1132
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 1: about nothing no more. Now there's people out here talk

1133
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: about stuff. There's people out here doing all kinds of

1134
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 1: different types of rap, But why aren't those the ones

1135
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 1: that are like bubbling up to the surface. And I

1136
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: think that we also reached a point where we have

1137
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: like minimized the level of what like a revolutionary disruptive

1138
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 1: thing is right, So case in point. One of the

1139
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: criticisms I saw people made at Jason's piece was the

1140
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 1: idea that he didn't talk enough about women, which I

1141
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: think in general was a fair point to make, but

1142
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: it was presented as though he didn't talk enough about

1143
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 1: women because he believes that we're in a golden age

1144
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: of female rap. And personally, my question is what exactly

1145
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,439
Speaker 1: is making this golden right? Is it just the fact

1146
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: that there's a large quantity of women who are rapping

1147
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: and they are famous. It can't just be that, right, Like,

1148
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 1: I don't know, are we really dealing with like a

1149
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: golden age of quality out there? And every argument that

1150
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: people make that is the well, the good stuff is

1151
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: out there, you gotta go find it. I didn't have

1152
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: to do that before. What the hell arensnology?

1153
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 7: But that's what I think.

1154
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 2: It's the thing like we talk about like rappers being capitalists,

1155
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 2: but it didn't feel like capitalism was deciding what was

1156
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 2: hot and what.

1157
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 7: Isn't you know what I mean?

1158
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 2: But now it feels like that, yeah, we decided that

1159
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 2: we don't decide it anymore. You know what I'm saying,

1160
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 2: the people that are pulling the strings and the industry

1161
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 2: decides that. But how they you know, like a TikTok

1162
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 2: song getting the guy doesn't even have an album, he

1163
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 2: has a thirty second snippet of that shit that's gonna

1164
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 2: popular and getting half a million you know, a hundredllion

1165
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 2: signing bonus or whatever, I mean a million dollar signing bonus.

1166
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:36,919
Speaker 2: Like bro, Like that's not we're not deciding that shit's hot.

1167
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: You know.

1168
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 2: The people that are getting signed and getting you know,

1169
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 2: backing in money, it's it's the capitalists are running it now,

1170
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 2: you feel me.

1171
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 7: So that's what's what's weird.

1172
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 2: And like you said, dude, there are some dope rappers

1173
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 2: talking about that shit, like Mick Jingers is one of them.

1174
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 7: I love mixed album, you know what I mean? Who's

1175
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 7: splising to Mick Jenkins? I bring him up. People don't

1176
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 7: really necessarily you know know who he is like that.

1177
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 2: He has a small fan base, but based upon the

1178
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 2: things that are going on to speaking to it.

1179
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 7: And if it was the nineties, Mike would be going crazy.

1180
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 2: Because of what we expected, you know what I'm saying,

1181
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 2: and who and and we were deciding what was hot,

1182
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:10,760
Speaker 2: not not not the other way around.

1183
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: So think about it like this, right, we used to

1184
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 1: get a new scene. A new scene would pop up

1185
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: like every year and a half, two years, two and

1186
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: a half years, right, like that, Saint Louis Rudd was interesting,

1187
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: right like Nelain. It was an exposure of America to

1188
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: a new scene. But there was a scene that was

1189
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: starting Houston, which had its own scene for god knows

1190
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: how long. But like some old four was the year

1191
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: that everybody found out what because honestly, we ain't give

1192
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: a damn what was going on. Texas, don't really care

1193
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 1: about what nobody else is doing. Houston don't really Houston,

1194
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: don't care what Dallas doing, you know what I mean?

1195
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: But like right right bubbled up. But what you had

1196
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: to do first was you had to win your neighborhood,

1197
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: and then you had to win your city, and then

1198
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: maybe you had to win your region, and then maybe

1199
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,280
Speaker 1: if you pulled that off, you were ready for America

1200
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: to find you.

1201
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 2: And no, how to get platinum at home, You had

1202
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 2: to go platinum at the crib first, you know what

1203
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 2: I mean.

1204
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,879
Speaker 1: Now everybody's just kind of throwing into the into the pot,

1205
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: just like, all right, cool, go see what happens and

1206
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 1: what's happened that I think is interesting, and you guys

1207
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: tell me if I'm wrong. I would argue that the

1208
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:11,439
Speaker 1: three biggest rappers in the world for right now are Drake,

1209
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: Kendrick Lamar, and j Cole Like is that that probably

1210
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: fair statement? Yeah?

1211
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

1212
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 6: All these dudes dropped damn near fifteen years ago. How

1213
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 6: were they still the top.

1214
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:21,359
Speaker 1: Three dudes out here?

1215
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 8: Crazy?

1216
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:22,439
Speaker 1: Crazy?

1217
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's something wild because I remember, like on

1218
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 3: on the Black album when when Jay kind of that

1219
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 3: was supposed to be his victory lap, we all knew

1220
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 3: he was retiring and he opened it. It's never been

1221
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 3: a nigga thats good for this long? And he emerged

1222
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 3: in ninety six in O three and he had a

1223
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 3: seven year orongd We're like, yeah, he's absolutely right. We've

1224
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 3: never seen a rapper with a seven year run like

1225
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 3: this guy. And like you said, but we've got motherfuckers

1226
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 3: like like Drake, who's been that guy since you know,

1227
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 3: so far gone in February two thousand and nine. It's

1228
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 3: like a different era now. But to go back to

1229
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 3: your point about how you were, like, you know, where

1230
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 3: was the revolutionary music during like, you know, the Trump shit,

1231
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,959
Speaker 3: during the George Floyd shit, And I remember little Baby

1232
00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 3: dropped like the Bigger Picture, and I love little babies,

1233
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 3: but you know, I listened to that song and he

1234
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 3: was like, you know, it's bigger than Black and White

1235
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 3: all cops s and bat. I was like, bro, the

1236
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 3: same way we need. I was like, where where Where?

1237
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 3: Where was the where's the motherfucking man, John Wayne? You

1238
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying Like that, that's the type of

1239
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 3: you know, revolutionary rap. I felt like we needed in

1240
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 3: that moment, and I just don't know if we're ever

1241
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,280
Speaker 3: just gonna get that again, like like on a fucking

1242
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 3: nationwide you know, huge scale.

1243
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: Or even just act like this stuff is happening right,

1244
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: Like do you remember it was after George Floyd. After

1245
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: George Floyd they had the what do you call it?

1246
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,760
Speaker 1: BT Awards was right after, and everybody had to figure

1247
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: out how to throw Black Lives Matter into their presentation.

1248
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: So it's bigger to stallion.

1249
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 6: Out here on some mad Max shit.

1250
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: It is a Black Lives Matter side. I was like,

1251
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: oh my god, you guys are horribly ill equipped to

1252
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:52,359
Speaker 1: do anything about this because I do think that. I was, uh,

1253
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 1: did you watch the Will Chamberlain doc on Showtime? The

1254
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: Golias Joint.

1255
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 8: I didn't keep it NA.

1256
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: That was interesting, and they had like poor of it

1257
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: where they would go through like his old letters and

1258
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 1: papers and stuff and read it out loud, you know,

1259
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 1: just kind of like diary type stuff, journal entries or whatever.

1260
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: And I was thinking about that, and I was thinking

1261
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,439
Speaker 1: about this book. I read about Frank Sinatra a couple

1262
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 1: of weeks ago where Sinatra's a high school dropout. He's

1263
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: talking to Jimmy Cannon, who was a newspaper right, who's

1264
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 1: also going high school dropout, and they're having a back

1265
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 1: and forth about which author they preferred. I think Sinatra

1266
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: had f Scott Fitzgerald and Jimmy Cannon had Ernest Hemingway

1267
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: and having his back and forth about it, and it

1268
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: just got me to thinking, like, man, they were a

1269
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 1: lot more thoughtful back then, right, Like you think there's

1270
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,479
Speaker 1: a scenario under which you could imagine like a couple

1271
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: of these cats going back and forth about who their

1272
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:44,919
Speaker 1: favorite writers are or their favorite for like bits could

1273
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:46,439
Speaker 1: do that, right, But like, beyond.

1274
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 6: That, it's not just about rap.

1275
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 1: Just to be clear. That's just kind of a broader

1276
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: sort of thing that now that we have access to

1277
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: more candy, right, more content, as we like to call it,

1278
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 1: we're just not as thoughtful. And so this is a

1279
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 1: time that thoughtful people should be able to come up

1280
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 1: and show up and make some great statements. I mean,

1281
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: the world is literally on fire. Okay, like say what

1282
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: you want about most deaf all crazy ass He had

1283
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 1: a song about water shortages in nineteen ninety nine. Ain't

1284
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: nobody coming out here doing that on no like big

1285
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: large scale or anything.

1286
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 8: You know, the world water track on black on both

1287
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 8: sides right right.

1288
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: It wasn't good.

1289
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 8: It wasn't you know, you know, yeah, yeah, you trying.

1290
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 6: To get a hood of gallon tank. I feel your

1291
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 6: big dog, you know.

1292
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: I wish i'd listen to you a little bit sooner,

1293
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: getting a little bit tasty, right.

1294
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 6: But I just it doesn't.

1295
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: Be that the stuff doesn't feel thoughtful, like even the

1296
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: gangsters felt thoughtful. That's my issue.

1297
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 5: I'm curious, like I think the one missing piece of

1298
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 5: the conversation we talked with Keana when we had her on.

1299
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 4: To talk about her book about the fifteenth Anniversary is

1300
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 4: the distribution model obviously is very different because of social media,

1301
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 4: and what young people can do with their free time

1302
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 4: is completely different because of smartphones. Right, Like if someone

1303
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 4: wanted to express them when they were twenty, when we

1304
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 4: were twenty, you could write, or you could make music,

1305
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 4: you know, or if you painted or whatever.

1306
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 5: But like that was kind of it.

1307
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 4: Now, you know, the people, the young people here, the

1308
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 4: young people in Long Beach who are leading the Black

1309
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 4: Lives Matter movie, like they were making social media content

1310
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 4: about what they want to do. Like that's how they

1311
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 4: were expressing themselves. And similarly, that's how people were taking

1312
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 4: it in. You know, like there's so many different ways

1313
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 4: that your creative energy could be dispersed. But also, you know,

1314
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 4: we talked with Keana about like music means something different

1315
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 4: to a sixteen year old kid than it did probably

1316
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 4: from like the early nineteen hundreds until the smartphone came out,

1317
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 4: Like they can watch movies and TV shows at the

1318
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 4: same swite that they can listen to music, and they do,

1319
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 4: you know, like a lot of them. Like you go

1320
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 4: to a football weight room in a high school in

1321
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 4: Long Beach right now, they're as likely to be playing

1322
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 4: Fucking three hundred or a movie that they find motivating

1323
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 4: as they are to listen to music Like that's really yes,

1324
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 4: and that's very odd to me. But to them, the

1325
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 4: content box of their phone produces do I want to

1326
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 4: stream you know? Do we want to play video games?

1327
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 4: We want to watch a movie? Do we want to

1328
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 4: watch TV show? Do we want to listen to music?

1329
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 1: Like?

1330
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 5: That is all sort of the same like stuff to them.

1331
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 4: And so I don't know, like when you said we

1332
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 4: haven't had someone of that level come out in the

1333
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 4: last fifteen years, I don't know that there will ever

1334
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 4: be a monopoly on attention that can produce someone of

1335
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 4: that level. Again, you know, I really don't.

1336
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: But even if we're not talking about the level of

1337
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: magnitude of fame, let's just talk about like being good

1338
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 1: at it, right, yes, yeah, you know, Like and I

1339
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: think what I was hearing when you were talking about

1340
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:44,919
Speaker 1: that in all these avenues and things is that where

1341
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: it kind of struck me was it's so easy to

1342
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 1: do so many of those things, and sometimes it's better

1343
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 1: with something just a little bit hard, right, because it

1344
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: makes you get into it, It makes you like dive into

1345
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: the challenge of it, and it makes you truly decide

1346
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: if you love it or not right, because there's a

1347
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: lot easier to make all this stuff than it has

1348
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: ever been before, and even your little mistakes, somebody can

1349
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: fix it or whatever. But we all know that feeling

1350
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: when you get on something that's hard and you can't

1351
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 1: get it right away, and that makes you want to

1352
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 1: go into it even more and explore and find in

1353
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: all this and on one level, all these tools we

1354
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: have to make the exploration easier. But it also, like

1355
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: I guess in what you're saying, like it makes it. Yeah,

1356
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 1: it makes the exploration disjoin it, and it makes that

1357
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 1: you can just jump on something else and get it

1358
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: or even think about like the idea of consuming music

1359
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: like I'm a Vinyl dude, Well Vinyl make you do

1360
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: unless I mean, you know, maybe maybe they don't have

1361
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: the same recreational activities I do. But sometimes man out,

1362
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: like I ain't trying to listen to one song and

1363
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: then get up and have to flip this thing over again, Right,

1364
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 1: I have to ride out till I get the song

1365
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 1: for and you know what happens the fifth time I

1366
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: do that, I realize I like song three a little

1367
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 1: more than I want idea.

1368
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 2: Also, maybe like the like three hundred is a good movie. Yeah,

1369
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 2: you're talking about quality bow Like maybe they're not listening

1370
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 2: to music as much because music doesn't.

1371
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 7: Compel you as much as it once did.

1372
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that could be a result of there'd be a

1373
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 2: lack of quality music. Like we're talking about j Coole Kendrick,

1374
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, like Drake being the top three,

1375
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 2: Like yeah, but like how many times are gonna listen

1376
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 2: to them?

1377
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1378
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 8: You feel me?

1379
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 2: And then you gotta go find other rappers that maybe

1380
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 2: speak to the things that you that you're fucking with,

1381
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And how often did they drop?

1382
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 2: Like I love Vince Vince drops, you know, like how

1383
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 2: often does Vince drop? You know what I'm saying, Like

1384
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 2: we don't have like like a TENTIONI Spanish. There's there's

1385
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 2: there's an aspect of that for sure, because we would

1386
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 2: sit with that album for three months, you know what

1387
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 2: I mean.

1388
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 7: We don't do that no more, but you know for

1389
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 7: thirty years, you know what I mean.

1390
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 2: You feel I'm saying nobody that people don't do that no more.

1391
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 2: But I mean it could be a result of there

1392
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 2: being a lack of quality as well, which is talking

1393
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 2: about how it's just too easy to get into this

1394
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 2: motherfucking game, dug, you know what I mean.

1395
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 1: Also, music ain't a solo thing, and so now that

1396
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: you can make it all yourself, that's not good, right,

1397
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: Like like getting a bunch of people together, Like anybody

1398
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 1: that's ever been in a studio with a bunch of

1399
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: people working together, it's a different kind of energy. Man. Like,

1400
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 1: the thing I loved about working on game theory was

1401
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 1: just having all those people in there. Somebody throws this,

1402
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 1: somebody throws that. Then all of a sudden, we kind

1403
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 1: of get this, you know, you get a thing. Go on, somebody,

1404
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: here's the right thing? Like I was watching the Uh,

1405
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 1: the Beatles, the Peter Jackson dot from the UH, from

1406
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 1: the Letted B Sessions. It's nine hours. It's not really

1407
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: exciting to watch unless you're a person who makes content.

1408
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 1: But watching like those your Eureka moments happen. You gotta

1409
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 1: you do that. By people being in a room that

1410
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 1: ain't that, Ain't that ain't the world?

1411
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 2: Now you know what I'm saying, it's them a computer,

1412
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And it's not going through

1413
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 2: those filters of all those people. You know what I'm saying,

1414
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 2: getting the best ideas out, you feel me, it's him

1415
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 2: the step person decidy based upon their taste alone.

1416
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 1: Right, It's having a bass player that thinks like a

1417
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 1: bass player, right, A guitar player, it's like a guitar player,

1418
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: whatever it is, and it just it just gets you

1419
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 1: to different spaces. And so it's good that we can

1420
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 1: do so many of these things easily, but we got

1421
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 1: to encourage people to do some stuff that really, you know,

1422
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 1: takes effort of sacrifice.

1423
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, I was gonna say, I do

1424
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 3: think that everyone having access to put their music out there,

1425
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 3: I think that is a good thing.

1426
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 8: Like, I still do not want to go back to gatekeeping,

1427
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 8: and you know for sure you do. You want to

1428
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 8: go back to A and r's deciding who we should hear.

1429
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 1: No, I don't necessarily want to go back to A

1430
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 1: and r's deciding who we hear per se, But I

1431
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 1: do want to go back to, say, a functioning music

1432
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: press that does a proper job.

1433
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 3: Ohm all for gatekeeping, you need to have live experience

1434
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 3: with the ship you write about.

1435
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 8: When it comes.

1436
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 1: Around the theory the A and R should be able

1437
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 1: to do this job also, Right, So like being able

1438
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 1: to put it out. Yeah, there's a value. I do

1439
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 1: think there's a value to being able to skip over

1440
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 1: like the production element of it. Right, I'm with you there. Okay,

1441
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 1: we talk about two different levels.

1442
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah, Because like I said, I I am

1443
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 3: for sure on the side of we should gatekeeper who

1444
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 3: gets to, you know, comment on this culture. I absolutely

1445
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 3: do leave that, absolutely believe that. But I do think

1446
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:04,959
Speaker 3: that I do not want fucking A and rs from

1447
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 3: fucking Vermont telling us, you know what, what young black

1448
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 3: artists we should hear.

1449
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 8: No, I do I never want that.

1450
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: Know the meaning of dope? What is looking for soap?

1451
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 8: Who's who? Electric guitar?

1452
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 6: Actually, that's exactly that, That's exactly Yeah.

1453
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 8: We don't need those guys anymore.

1454
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1455
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 3: But yeah, but yeah, you know, I don't think it's

1456
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 3: a problem of the game being diluted, quote unquote.

1457
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,920
Speaker 8: It just feels like everyone kind of has the same energy.

1458
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 3: Like we need some new energy, We need some disruptive ship,

1459
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 3: you know, to go back to what Deon liied doing something.

1460
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 5: We need to drop an album right now.

1461
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we need something because you know, it's it's

1462
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 3: it's like I talked about with Kean. I hated the

1463
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 3: snap era, and then we had the Block era that

1464
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 3: came and saved this from that, where we had all

1465
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 3: this new energy, all these new artists being able to

1466
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 3: put their ship out without any fucking gate keeping there.

1467
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 3: Like I feel like that made me fall back in

1468
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 3: love again, you know with wrap after I really wasn't

1469
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 3: digging it for about three years or so. So I

1470
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 3: don't think it's a problem with with with you deluded.

1471
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 3: I just think we need some new fucking you know energy, yo.

1472
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: That era was a perfect middle ground when you think

1473
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 1: about it, because it's the accessibility to put the music out,

1474
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 1: but with the sensibilities in terms of making the music

1475
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 1: of the previous time right like every now that you

1476
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 1: have those collisions where the technology comes out and it's

1477
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 1: just fresh enough, but you still got like whatever the

1478
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: old school sentiment is like basically the entirety of the

1479
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies when it comes to music, Like now you

1480
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 1: can do all these things, but it's all the people

1481
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 1: that had to learn how to do it when you

1482
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 1: couldn't do all those things. And so they brought that

1483
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 1: grind and then it just boomed and explodes. Any got

1484
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 1: these people like Wow, so easy to do all these things.

1485
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 1: Look at this, I just pressed them. Boom, there's a

1486
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 1: whole beat. Yeah, why w I work? You gonna try

1487
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 1: to figure out how to make a different kind of

1488
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 1: beat when boom right expressed the button.

1489
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 7: Right right right?

1490
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 4: Well that was That was a fastass hour and something. Man,

1491
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 4: thank you so much for having out with us.

1492
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 5: Bo appreciate you.

1493
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 8: Long overdue. Man, this mom.

1494
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 6: Something the hobbies got to realize.

1495
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 1: I got y'all these other people, I mean sitting in

1496
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:08,919
Speaker 1: through lands, but you know the hobbies. I'm always down

1497
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 1: to make a little something happen. Man, I said, I

1498
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 1: ain't know if I wasn't allowed to come on you know.

1499
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 8: Oh hell no, bro, we thought you were so big.

1500
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 5: Holding up. Yeah, nothing exactly. I didn't.

1501
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 1: I didn't.

1502
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 7: I didn't want to fuck up the Disney money. Oh

1503
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 7: you know what I'm.

1504
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 1: Saying something Disney. Disney ain't caring what the hell I did.

1505
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 1: It's so long, like this is something that's interested to watch. Man.

1506
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 1: You know, I don't work there anymore, but you you

1507
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 1: pay attention to it. Man. We everywhere now or like

1508
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 1: the people that's like people who are still there are everywhere,

1509
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 1: Like somebody has decided today. Man, we ain't got time

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01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:47,439
Speaker 1: to worry about that stuff no more.

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01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 2: Okay, that's that's the only reason I was like, yeah,

1512
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 2: I don't want to fuck up the Disney money. You

1513
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 2: know you feel me so, but yeah, we always appreciate

1514
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 2: you coming on. Is that the periodic table in the background,

1515
01:06:57,640 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 2: the artistic version of it?

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01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 1: Kind of dude, it's the period out the table of

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01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 1: David Bowie. It is a uh an illustration of the

1518
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 1: various influences on Bowie and Bowie's influences on the rest

1519
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 1: of the world, done via a periodic table.

1520
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 8: Interest the Bowie man. It's just the dude.

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01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 3: I feel like we've me and uh we've had conversations

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01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 3: about Bowie. We try to put John on in the

1523
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 3: group chat bro oh do do.

1524
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 1: Do do do? Do?

1525
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 4: Do do do?

1526
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 2: I'm tapped in a little bit, but I just you know,

1527
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 2: I just ain't all the way stuff.

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01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:23,959
Speaker 7: But yeah, this.

1529
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:25,439
Speaker 1: Is what I'll tell you, because the triggy thing about

1530
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 1: Bowie is which Bowie you get?

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01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 8: Could mean every album is like a different era for Bowie.

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01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, okay, which Bowie should I as a forty

1533
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 2: year old man, you know what I'm saying to tap

1534
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 2: into to get me all the way connected what you

1535
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 2: need to do.

1536
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 1: Though, there is a doc on Max called moon Age

1537
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 1: day Dream. It's Brett Morgan's Bowie documentary and it's in

1538
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 1: typical Brett Morgan fashion, one of those with it's all

1539
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 1: archival and so it is a run from like the

1540
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 1: late sixties to the early nineties of Bowie and it

1541
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 1: starts off with this quote, I think it's Bowie, but

1542
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 1: I think it's Bowie's. The stuffing is that basically what

1543
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 1: happens with people with man is that man tries to

1544
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 1: figure out what it is in life that matters, and

1545
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 1: then you look around and realize that actually none of

1546
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 1: it matters, and you then decide why to keep going.

1547
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,439
Speaker 1: And that's the initial premise, and then it goes through

1548
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 1: the Zig Star Dust era and all this stuff and

1549
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 1: everything else. All of that is to say, I bet

1550
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 1: me knowing you and the way you think about the world.

1551
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 1: Once you watch that, then you come higher at me.

1552
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 1: I see if I can help you out with a

1553
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 1: play listen to and we get you.

1554
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 2: So but that'll get me the fuck with the man,

1555
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 2: right right right?

1556
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 3: I told I told John it's tapping with young Americans.

1557
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 3: I was like, you know, that is like the Blue Eyes.

1558
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 8: I liked it.

1559
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 7: I liked it.

1560
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 8: That album like I.

1561
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 1: Tap into like for people who are coming from that

1562
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 1: position young Americans. Let's Dance, which I just think that

1563
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 1: people try to act like how cool they are to

1564
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 1: act like Let's Dance isn't fucking incredible it is. That's

1565
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 1: the Nile Rogers joint and it is fucking bananas. And

1566
01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 1: the Rise and Fall of Ziggie Star doesn't Spiders from Mars.

1567
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 1: You create Alien Jesus and tell an opera that makes

1568
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 1: basically the rise of fall of Alien Genius, Alien Jesus.

1569
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 1: Excuse me, Alien Genius also Alien Jesus. But you know,

1570
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 1: want to get.

1571
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:14,680
Speaker 2: I think the thing is I need to buy the

1572
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:17,640
Speaker 2: record that because I think if I'm sitting like you

1573
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:19,680
Speaker 2: like you talked about sitting down with me.

1574
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 7: But I also think it feels different listening to.

1575
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:27,680
Speaker 2: Albums on a record, Yes, like it feels closer to

1576
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 2: probably how they meant it to be heard, you know

1577
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, at least in that time period certain albums,

1578
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 2: and so I think I need to do that. But

1579
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:36,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna watch the documentary. I'm gonna let you know,

1580
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 2: make send me a playlist. I'm gonna ima let you

1581
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 2: to tell me which album I should buy, and I'm

1582
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 2: gonna sit down and listen to the record because I

1583
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 2: think I will connect with that shit more. You can

1584
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 2: feel the spirit of the music better than vinyl to me,

1585
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:49,720
Speaker 2: than just digital, you know what I'm saying.

1586
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 1: Hour on the vinyl situe.

1587
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:52,679
Speaker 8: You feel like you're in there.

1588
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I I only buy vinyls. Obviously

1589
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 2: don't buy c these and ship. But if I'm buying

1590
01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 2: something it's obviously a vinyl.

1591
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 1: It feels like you're in the room. Like that's the difference.

1592
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 1: It feels like you're in the room.

1593
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 8: It feels warm.

1594
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:05,679
Speaker 7: You know what it does.

1595
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 8: It embraces embraces you on vinyl, and I think.

1596
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 2: In those certain in particular periods, you know what I mean,

1597
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:14,679
Speaker 2: that's how they wanted it to be heard. They took

1598
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 2: those cracks and that that sound into consideration when they

1599
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:18,799
Speaker 2: made that music.

1600
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:21,200
Speaker 7: And so it's better to listen to vinyl that perpore.

1601
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 1: It's it's mastered for that technology, you know what I mean,

1602
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 1: Like that's the sound. Everything else is trying to adapt

1603
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 1: the sound files that you have for the technology on

1604
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 1: board that is maximized and optimized for that stuff.

1605
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:37,559
Speaker 2: And I think, like like Dobe, digital doesn't sound as

1606
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,640
Speaker 2: good with certain ship. It just doesn't. I want to

1607
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 2: feel music. You don't feel digital music, you know what

1608
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 2: I mean.

1609
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 5: So well, thanks again for having we got in some

1610
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 5: weird ship.

1611
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 1: Bro.

1612
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 5: We can go.

1613
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:58,799
Speaker 8: Appreciate it once.

1614
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:00,680
Speaker 1: I get back off the ground. Guys, see, we can.

1615
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 1: You know, we do a little reciprocation on this, make

1616
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 1: it happen.

1617
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 7: Oh you already know, bro, So you already know my boy.

1618
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 1: All right, man, I'll take it easy, all right,