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Speaker 2: I'm a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, well,

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Speaker 2: I want to be happy. You want to be happy

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Speaker 2: for a day? Edith state? Is that? Woo woom?

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Speaker 1: And then and tie? Yeah, rub stee. We're taking a

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Speaker 1: field trip this week? Is that true?

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Speaker 2: Are we going to the Natural History Museum? Can I

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Speaker 2: bring my game boy on the bus? Is that allowed?

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Speaker 2: What are we doing here?

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Speaker 1: We're going to ann Arbor, Michigan.

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Speaker 2: Man, that's true. We are. Oh, it's gonna.

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Speaker 1: Be great going to ann Arbor, Michigan. Now we should add,

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Speaker 1: at time of recording, the point spread books to be

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Speaker 1: about fourteen and a half points in favor of your

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Speaker 1: Oregon Ducks. When we initially drew up plans to go

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Speaker 1: a little bit more of a nationally relevant contest. Certainly

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Speaker 1: it is for Oregon at this stage of the game,

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Speaker 1: with where they're at in the big ten of the

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Speaker 1: national conversation. Sure i e. The number one team in

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Speaker 1: the country. The Michigan side of things has definitely left

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Speaker 1: a lot to be desired, But suffice to say, it

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Speaker 1: looks like it's gonna be a nice weekend out in

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Speaker 1: if anybody out there is going to be at the

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Speaker 1: game and tailgating anything like that, hit us up either

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Speaker 1: on social media or at Soliverbalo at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 1: Dan love to meet people.

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Speaker 2: Tell me where to eat. I've got a couple of ideas.

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Speaker 2: Tell thye where to eat. Let's where where should I

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Speaker 2: be drinking coffee? Where should I be tailgating? Who should

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Speaker 2: I be bringing donuts to at the tailgates? Maybe Tye

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Speaker 2: and I would We brought pizza to the Northwestern tailgate, right?

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Speaker 2: We were just passing out slices. I will not have

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Speaker 2: maybe we'll get a couple dozen donuts and roam around

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Speaker 2: passing out some donuts midday, something like that. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: On that note. Welcome back to the show, one and all.

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Speaker 1: I am ty he is Dan. This is a solid

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Speaker 1: verbal hit follow, hit, subscribe wherever it is you find

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Speaker 1: your podcast. Do you like to listen to Pristine audio

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Speaker 1: college football content? We will be here all season long,

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Speaker 1: all year long, there is much to discuss. On today's episode.

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Speaker 1: We are gonna have a brand new Verbowler Top twelve

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Speaker 1: poll hot off the presses. We've also got a little

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Speaker 1: bit of news that we need to share with theverballer Hood,

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Speaker 1: just things going on in around the world of college football.

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Speaker 1: Leftover thoughts, of course, leftover thoughts on the spillover episode

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Speaker 1: here from week nine. Got a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: game suggested by the verballer Hood. And then we'll close

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Speaker 1: things out with just a brief look ahead at the

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Speaker 1: games that are on the slate. Now as we push

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Speaker 1: into November, Dan, things are gonna get wild. Yes, maybe

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Speaker 1: not so much this weekend, but things are gonna get wild.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna come down to the wire and a bunch

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Speaker 1: of these conferences. I've outlined a few things today in

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Speaker 1: I've had since we did our recap episode, things that

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Speaker 2: I'm always ready, ty let me absorb the takes and

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Speaker 2: audition back pong style.

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Speaker 1: So our for Baller Top twelve is out. We had

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Speaker 1: just one week, one week only, A special yeah for baller.

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Speaker 1: Top twelve for week ten though all right, number twelve,

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Speaker 2: That's my skepticism with Penn State, given their ranking. Much

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Speaker 2: better to be undefeated than not. Penn State is undefeated.

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Speaker 1: Sure, they beat West Virginia very soundly, but that was

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Speaker 1: West Virginia beat them very very soundly. That's a game

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Like if we're talking strictly about how

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Speaker 2: it wasn't a big win. It was what four or

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Speaker 1: It's a good defense at eight a m. There's no

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Speaker 1: they're trying to get a little bit more consistency on

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Speaker 1: how impressive do you look? You'll hear people talk about

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Speaker 1: the eye test and things like that a lot more

436
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Speaker 1: than you might if you're just talking about a school

437
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:41,040
Speaker 1: like a Texas or a Notre Dame, because the numbers

438
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:42,960
Speaker 1: maybe don't mean as much for some of the G

439
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:47,440
Speaker 1: five teams compared to their Power Conference counterparts. I think

440
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 1: it's going to get really really interesting to try and

441
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Speaker 1: chart this thing, especially now that it's kind of narrowed

442
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Speaker 1: itself down. We kind of have a pretty good idea

443
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Speaker 1: where it's going to come from. I think it's coming

444
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Speaker 1: from the Mountain West. I think it's potentially coming from

445
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 1: the American Conference as well. This is the course to

446
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 1: say that Washington State is also having a good year

447
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,959
Speaker 1: and they're ranked. I don't see them necessarily playing a

448
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Speaker 1: factor in this at all because they're not gonna be

449
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Speaker 1: able to play for a conference championship. But I'm just

450
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Speaker 1: really excited is where I'm going with this. I'm really

451
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Speaker 1: excited to see how that shakes out.

452
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Interestingly, so there is another team that only has

453
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Speaker 2: one loss that has a pretty great path to ending

454
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Speaker 2: up twelve and one, but they lost to Tulane, and

455
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Speaker 2: that's Louisiana.

456
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Speaker 1: Louisiana, Louisiana Sunbelt, Yeah, Louisiana, And I mean they.

457
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Speaker 2: Did beat a Power Conference team in wake Forest barely. Yeah.

458
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Speaker 1: Liberty is probably gonna have a great record by the

459
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Speaker 1: time all is said and done. But that loss against

460
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Speaker 1: kill It yea. Yeah, and it was already a bad schedule,

461
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Speaker 1: so that's gonna come back to bite him.

462
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Louisiana is interesting. Their defense is pretty awful, but

463
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,159
Speaker 2: they're gonna end up with a really nice record. And

464
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Speaker 2: if Boise goes down to UNLV who all, Like, I

465
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 2: think you have to select one of those teams over

466
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Speaker 2: Louisiana probably, like Tulane is gonna have an interesting case

467
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Speaker 2: if Boise goes down.

468
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Speaker 1: Right, their only two losses would beat a Power Conference

469
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Speaker 1: opponents they have done well. Otherwise, it's it's a stronger

470
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Speaker 1: case as a two loss team than probably most of

471
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Speaker 1: the other teams in this conversation.

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Speaker 2: Right, Army just needs to take care of business and

473
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Speaker 2: beat Notre Dame and then we don't have this conversation

474
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Speaker 2: at all. TCB Army can take care of business and

475
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Speaker 2: look and you mentioned the losses that Tulane has. Tulane

476
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Speaker 2: lost to one of the what best four or five

477
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Speaker 2: teams in the state of Oklahoma easily. I don't know.

478
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Speaker 2: Call that a take if you want, but I'm saying

479
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Speaker 2: that right now. Continue speaking of playoff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so conference realignment has given us the gift of

481
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Speaker 1: an eighteen team Big Ten ofference. What a gift, What

482
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: a gift it is. As a result, we've got tiebreaker

483
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 1: scenarios that are rather elaborate. They have to be because

484
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 1: not everybody can play everybody. I have been kicking the

485
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Speaker 1: tires in Indiana a little bit because we're about to

486
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Speaker 1: cross into November and Indiana's eight. No, they've got a

487
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Speaker 1: real shot at being part of this conversation, if not

488
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Speaker 1: part of the whole system. Yeah. I went through a

489
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Speaker 1: multitude of different possibilities here for the Hoosiers, but there's

490
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Speaker 1: one in particular that is the most interesting I think

491
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Speaker 1: in the Big Ten, maybe in the sport as a whole.

492
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Speaker 1: And the instance I'm talking about is there are potentially

493
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Speaker 1: three undefeated teams in the Big Ten at season's end,

494
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Speaker 1: which would be wild and unprecedented, And honestly, that's the

495
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Speaker 1: best possible outcome for Indiana. Now it assumes some stuff

496
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Speaker 1: which I'll get into, But in this scenario, because of

497
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Speaker 1: the Tiber, we would be down to the fourth tiebreaker scenario.

498
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Speaker 1: And because of that, which in effect is strength of

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Speaker 1: schedule among conference opponents. In a scenario such as that,

500
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Speaker 1: you end up with Oregon playing Penn State in Indianapolis

501
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Speaker 1: for the Big Ten title, and you and I have

502
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Speaker 1: to do some logistical planning and figure out if we

503
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Speaker 1: want to go to that.

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Speaker 2: I agree, but.

505
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Speaker 1: Three undefeated teams, Penn State beats Ohio State this weekend,

506
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Speaker 1: everybody else wins out it be Oregon Penn State, I believe,

507
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Speaker 1: provided it didn't screw up this math.

508
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you'd have to, like look at weird

509
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 2: common conference percentages two hours this morning, and there's no possiblity.

510
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Speaker 2: I just I would be here for Oregon finishing thirteen

511
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Speaker 2: and OHL as the number one team in America and

512
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Speaker 2: somehow not making the Big Ten.

513
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Speaker 1: Well. I looked into that. I looked into that, and

514
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Speaker 1: I believe if I have done the math correctly, if

515
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Speaker 1: my slide rule was properly calibrated, what would they need

516
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Speaker 1: in that scenario? What would occur is Penn State would

517
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Speaker 1: be the team making it through via the strongest schedule

518
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Speaker 1: among conference opponents. Penn State would have a tougher one,

519
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Speaker 1: I think by virtue of their game with USC got it.

520
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Speaker 1: Oregon would be second on that totem pole and Indiana

521
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Speaker 1: would be by a hair third.

522
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Speaker 2: Okay, so there's no situation which Indiana and Penn State

523
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Speaker 2: can play for short of Oregon losing a game.

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Speaker 1: What you're starting to look at, then, if you're coming

525
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Speaker 1: up with scenarios like that, yeah, is opponents that each

526
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Speaker 1: team has unique from the others. Okay, so there are

527
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Speaker 1: a fair amount of teams that they've all played, like

528
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Speaker 1: they've all played you know, a handful of teams at

529
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Speaker 1: Displint Perdue as an example. You start to look at

530
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Speaker 1: teams that are unique to that particular school schedule, and

531
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Speaker 1: then you start to root for odd results for that team, losses,

532
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: things like that that could upend the balance of Again,

533
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Speaker 1: what amounts strength of schedule free conference opponents at present?

534
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Speaker 1: If we assume kind of status quo, it'd be Oregon

535
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Speaker 1: playing Penn State. But there are all sorts of possibilities

536
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Speaker 1: within that. You do push up against the point though

537
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Speaker 1: that I'm trying to make okay, please Indiana, going twelve

538
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 1: and oh and being left out of the Big Ten

539
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: title game is absolutely the best possible scenario for the Hoosiers.

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Speaker 2: It's a good place for Indiana.

541
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the best place. Frankly, it's the best place

542
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: for any of these teams, Okay. But for Indiana to

543
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Speaker 1: get to twelve and oh, it would require them to

544
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Speaker 1: beat Ohio State. It would also be helpful in this

545
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Speaker 1: instance for it to occur if Penn State beat Ohio State. Frankly,

546
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 1: it's the only way it could occur. But if this

547
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: comes to pass three undefeated teams, Indiana gets what amounts

548
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 1: to a bye week before the playoffs even start. They

549
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: could potentially get a home game first round of the playoffs,

550
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 1: being so on campus, and they would not have to

551
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Speaker 1: play against one these two teams for a Big Ten championship.

552
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,719
Speaker 1: Risk more injuries, risk a loss, how that might affect seating,

553
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: things of that nature. So if you're an Indiana fan,

554
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: what I'd say is you're rooting like hell for Penn

555
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,719
Speaker 1: State this weekend, and you're obviously rooting for Indiana to

556
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: not only beat Ohio State, but to win out, which

557
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 1: easier said than done to beat Ohio State. I get that,

558
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: but there's a real chance that it could happen. There's

559
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Speaker 1: many chance that it could happen.

560
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Speaker 2: Ohio State has never looked, not even because of their

561
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Speaker 2: performance against Nebraska, but if you're talking about going into

562
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,719
Speaker 2: the final stretch of November as it gets cold or whatever,

563
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 2: without an offensive line that seems to be of top

564
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Speaker 2: five caliber, top ten caliber at the moment, with how

565
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Speaker 2: much Nebraska was able to sort of stuff Ohio State

566
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Speaker 2: at times. Wow, that's in conversation. It feels it feels

567
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Speaker 2: possible to me. Yes, it really feels possible.

568
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Speaker 1: To me that Indiana could could win that game. I

569
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: looked at the wee weird. Yeah, they're about a thirteen

570
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: point projected loser in that game as of now. I

571
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: don't know what the point spread would be. It would

572
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: probably be higher than that. But it is a year

573
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: where it feels like there are a lot of teams

574
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Speaker 1: with flaws, and so to that point on Ohio State, Dan, Yeah,

575
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Speaker 1: what happens if Ohio State goes nine to three, just.

576
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Speaker 2: In terms of Ryan Day's job security, in terms of anything, well,

577
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Speaker 2: they're likely missing the playoff.

578
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Speaker 1: Oh they would definitely be out of the playoff. Yeah,

579
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Speaker 1: one hundred percent be out of the playoff. I don't

580
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Speaker 1: think we can say if they lose this week in

581
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Speaker 1: at Penn State, there for short out because there's a

582
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Speaker 1: lot of football to be played and things are still

583
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Speaker 1: going to get weird.

584
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Speaker 2: So you're supposing a loss to Michigan and Penn State.

585
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: No, I'm supposing a loss in this scenario. Yeah, kind

586
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: of riding the coattails of this.

587
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Speaker 2: Oh so Indiana and Penn State, which is not crazy.

588
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 2: It's not crazy quality teams, it's not crazy.

589
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Speaker 1: So if that happens, Ohio State, I presume is going

590
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Speaker 1: to beat Michigan. Ohio State in that instance would finish

591
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: nine and three, They wouldn't make the playoff. They would

592
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: beat Michigan, So there would at least be that. But

593
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Speaker 1: given the off season, given the news of how much

594
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: they were aggressive out there, not just hiring Chip Kelly,

595
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: but in the portal with nil, things of that nature. Yeah,

596
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: a nine in three season would drive people batty.

597
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 2: Okay, so I think this is a borderline farcical scenario.

598
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Speaker 1: Agreed, Agreed, And look, I know I'm playing hypewers, my

599
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: hypothetical sound Yeah, this is just a thought experiment. Everyone,

600
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: all right, but that whenever.

601
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Speaker 2: It is twenty million dollar number, however valid it is.

602
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 2: And you're talking about ROI not even making a twelve

603
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 2: team field in this universe, which I think is somewhat

604
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 2: to very implausible. I don't know how you bring Ryan

605
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: Day back. You shoved all the chips to the center

606
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 2: for twenty twenty four, right, The expectation is that this

607
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 2: year was a championship caliber year. Let alone make the dance,

608
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: make the field.

609
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: When we did our preview, I.

610
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 2: Don't know who you get, though. You better be positive

611
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 2: you're getting somebody that is clearly better. Who are you getting?

612
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: I feel like we have these.

613
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 2: Types of discussions every off season, I agree, And most

614
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 2: off seasons there has been a big coaching change, not

615
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 2: as much the case last year, right.

616
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: Beyond Alabama and Nick Saban, Right, we have it every year.

617
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: That's the point.

618
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: But I don't know Matt Campbell. Mac Campbell's gonna go

619
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Speaker 2: eleven and one, twelve and zero this year and use

620
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 2: that to vault him to Columbus.

621
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Speaker 1: I don't know. Lancelipold does he want the job? I

622
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: mean no, Look, here's the point. Yes, there was so

623
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Speaker 1: much steam on this program. When we did our preview

624
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: back in the beginning part of August, we and I

625
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: think I even said it, I'm writing Ohio State into

626
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: my playoff in pen It just felt like everything was

627
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: set up for them. There's no way this couldn't happen.

628
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: I agree, this is a long shot. What I am

629
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: describing here, this was their worst week by far. This

630
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: is a this is a long shot. I am not

631
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Speaker 1: projecting that this is what's gonna happen. I still have

632
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: Ohio State in my playoff, if not winning the Big

633
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: Ten as a whole, but the fact that we are

634
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: at least having this discussion I think speaks to where

635
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: college football is at this year. Yeah, and why so

636
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: many people are really intrigued by some of the possibilities

637
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: we're seen, not just in the Big Ten, but in

638
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: the SEC and just abound in the sport. It's they

639
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: lose Penn State this weekend, it's gonna be a little weird,

640
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: be advised.

641
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Speaker 2: Can I can I ask you a follow up question? So?

642
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: I think it's tripold quest. Here we go, Yo, Here

643
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 2: we go Yo. So what's so? What? So? What's the scenario?

644
00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: Right?

645
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 2: That's really cool? I sounded really cool. That was great,

646
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 2: very authentic. Any other scenarios and any other conferences, I'm

647
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 2: putting you on the spot here. There's a scenario that's

648
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 2: super plausible in which Texas and Texas, A and M

649
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 2: play two weeks in a row. Yep, I think it

650
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 2: would take Georgia and Tennessee each losing a second time,

651
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 2: which is Tennessee plays Georgia, Tennessee plays Vandy, Georgia plays

652
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Speaker 2: Old Miss, Georgia plays Tennis.

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Speaker 1: Like the SEC. I've said this about other conferences, the

654
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Speaker 1: SE season and Complete Blender. Yes, the SE season and

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Speaker 1: Complete Blender. There there's a very good shot you're gonna

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Speaker 1: have multiple one LOSSA. I mean, you already have multiple

657
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Speaker 1: one loss teams, but there's a pretty good chance at

658
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Speaker 1: A and M dumps one. Whether it's this week against

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Speaker 1: South Carolina, whether it's last week of the year against Texas.

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Speaker 2: I agree.

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Speaker 1: It is tough sledding in the SEC, week in and

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Speaker 1: week out, and we've already seen that there's a pretty

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Speaker 1: good chance the entire top of that of that leader

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Speaker 1: board has at least one loss. And we start talking

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Speaker 1: about tie breakers and stuff like that again, so I'm

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Speaker 1: not really counting anybody out. I do think Alabama is

667
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Speaker 1: in a very very difficult spot to find its way

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Speaker 1: back into things. But they do have a game left

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Speaker 1: against LSU right that one could certainly play into things.

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Speaker 1: There is going to be other action around the league

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Speaker 1: that I think could scramble this a little bit further.

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Speaker 1: They need to play better. I think they know that,

673
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Speaker 1: but provided they continue to win as they did this

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Speaker 1: past weekend against Miszoo, there's a chance they could work

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Speaker 1: themselves back into it. However improbable. The SEC is very

676
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Speaker 1: interesting the ACC. We've talked about the ACC a lot

677
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Speaker 1: and how that race is interesting as well. The game

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Speaker 1: this week. That game is on the ACC network. It's

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Speaker 1: not even getting like national national press pit against SMU Oh. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that game is huge. Killer is a huge friggin game

681
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Speaker 1: this week that is going to tell us a lot

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Speaker 1: about where things go in the in the ACC. The

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Speaker 1: one that I would highlight though, if you want to

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Speaker 1: know other circumstances scenario, there is a slim but realistic

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Speaker 1: shot of Colorado making the playoff as a number four

686
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Speaker 1: seed with a first round by Yeah. So if you're

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Speaker 1: a Colorado fan right now, what you need is Iowa

688
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Speaker 1: State to lose one of their next four games and

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Speaker 1: then beat Kansas State and Farmageddon last week of the season.

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Speaker 2: Okay, who does Iowa State finish out? I don't think

691
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Speaker 2: it's any It's crazy strong, right.

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Speaker 1: It's it's not that they've got five games left Iowa

693
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Speaker 1: State obviously the hardest of all of those is that

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Speaker 1: Kansas State game, which, yeah, you know, they close the

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Speaker 1: year out with Kansas State. That game, by the way,

696
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Speaker 1: just in case you're wondering, is going to be played

697
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Speaker 1: at home in Aims. But this week against Texas Tech,

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Speaker 1: they go on the road at Kansas home against Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: on the road at Utah, then they close out against

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Speaker 1: k State.

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Speaker 2: It seems other than Utah, those teams are at least

702
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Speaker 2: wild CARDI any given week they randomly explode and scored,

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Speaker 2: you know, very well points.

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Speaker 1: Here's what you need, though, Okay, you need you need

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Speaker 1: i Will State to lose a game one of their

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Speaker 1: next four and then beat k State. Okay, seems plausible.

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Speaker 1: You also need to win all your games at this point.

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Speaker 1: There's no wiggle room. Right now, there's about eleven percent

709
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Speaker 1: chance that Colorado does finish ten and two. In this scenario,

710
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Speaker 1: they get into the Big Twelve title game, probably against BYU,

711
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Speaker 1: and if they win that game, they qualify for the

712
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Speaker 1: playoff as probably the four with a first round by

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Speaker 1: Now which scenario do you think the networks would prefer.

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Speaker 1: I think they would prefer Colorado to the other options

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Speaker 1: that they've got right now. I agree in the Big Twelve.

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Speaker 1: That's not taking anything away from those teams. BYU also

717
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Speaker 1: has a huge following. But you know, Colorado has been

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Speaker 1: I think much more of a national story over the

719
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Speaker 1: last two seasons. So that is still on the table

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Speaker 1: as a possibility. And if you go to bed on it,

721
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Speaker 1: just to further the point may seem a little far fetched.

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Speaker 1: Don't know where you stand on this. The odds right

723
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Speaker 1: now are six to one. You can get Colorado as

724
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Speaker 1: a playoff qualifier at six to.

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Speaker 2: One, Okay, which is better than I think you might expect.

726
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Speaker 2: That's not bad. Can I give you an se I

727
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Speaker 2: just while you were talking this, I realized there is

728
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Speaker 2: a potential wrench slash lil stinker in the SEC that

729
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Speaker 2: both has the wrong side of a tiebreaker and has

730
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Speaker 2: the potential to have the right side of some tie

731
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Speaker 2: breakers at or near the top of the SEC. That's

732
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Speaker 2: the Hogs of Arkansas. Arkansas still has Texas and Ole

733
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Speaker 2: Miss left? Is that right? Yep, you're in fact checking that. Yeah, Arkansas,

734
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Speaker 2: they've got an offense. They also have a miszoom Zoo

735
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Speaker 2: is not going to be in the SEC race. But

736
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Speaker 2: having that plus Tennessee, I'm not saying there beat, I'm

737
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Speaker 2: saying there there's a situation in which Tye has to

738
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Speaker 2: buy a ten by ten foot whiteboard to figure out

739
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Speaker 2: the SEC and Arkansas is making him lose even more

740
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Speaker 2: sleep than his puppies are at this moment. Yeah, now

741
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Speaker 2: figuring out like well, now Arkansas's win percentage against teams

742
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Speaker 2: with a winning regular Arkansas has that potential and what

743
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Speaker 2: better program for there to be that ultimate wrench than

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Speaker 2: the Arkansas Razorbacks.

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Speaker 1: Well, and Arkansas is also in a very very interesting spot.

746
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Speaker 1: They're five and three right now. They need one more

747
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Speaker 1: win to qualify for a Bowl, which I think against

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Speaker 1: the schedule will be a very big deal. They should, yes,

749
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Speaker 1: and they've got Louisiana Tech Week thirteen that should be

750
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Speaker 1: number six. But can they beat Ole Miss, Texas or

751
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Speaker 1: Miszoo to get the seven?

752
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Speaker 2: My answer is they can't. They I don't know they

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Speaker 2: have the ability.

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Speaker 1: Of course, they absolutely have the ability to beat one

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Speaker 1: of those teams. Ole Miss and Texas are both in Fayetteville,

756
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Speaker 1: for what it's worth. See what I mean, it's gonna get.

757
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Speaker 1: It's gonna get where they got all missed this week

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Speaker 1: we'll talk.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I have an appointment with the YouTube TV to

760
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Speaker 2: start filing away Arkansas games from my unlimited cloud DVR.

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Speaker 1: Continue you not a sponsor, could be? I did want

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Speaker 1: to point out two sec facts. It's not really related

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Speaker 1: to any of these bizarro scenarios. But okay, we didn't

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Speaker 1: talk a whole lot about the Oklahoma Old Miss game. No,

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Speaker 1: that's a game that Ole Miss won twenty six or fourteen.

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Speaker 1: They trailed at half fourteen to ten. Honestly, I thought

767
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Speaker 1: the Oklahoma offense, at least for a half, looked better

768
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Speaker 1: on the ground. Now, bear in mind, they fired their

769
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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator of the week prior Sethila Trail gone. They

770
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Speaker 1: brought in, you know, they promoted from within Joe John

771
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Speaker 1: Finley to kind of call the plays, and Kevin Johns

772
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Speaker 1: had a little bit to say there.

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Speaker 2: M hm.

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Speaker 1: We are starting to see, though, perhaps more clearly, the

775
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Speaker 1: problem with the offense. It's not a surprise if you've

776
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Speaker 1: been following this team. Right hit a wall in the

777
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Speaker 1: second half. Was it nearly as effective in the second half?

778
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Speaker 1: Nine sacks allowed by this offensive line, most of which

779
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Speaker 1: were coverage sacks. Wasn't like Old Mitch was blissing the

780
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Speaker 1: seen the farm. They were just getting pressure with their

781
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Speaker 1: defensive line, which is very good. But as we start

782
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Speaker 1: to eliminate possibilities, perhaps Seth Latrell nobody was crazy about

783
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Speaker 1: the way he was calling plays. Granted, right, this might

784
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Speaker 1: be beyond Seth Latrell. This might come back to that

785
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Speaker 1: offensive line, which was a question coming into the season

786
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Speaker 1: and has persisted as a big question all year long.

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Speaker 2: There's something about Oklahoma I've been thinking about for a

788
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Speaker 2: while now, and we mentioned it a little bit in

789
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Speaker 2: talking about Brent Venables and what does his network look

790
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Speaker 2: like in terms of hiring assistance. Obviously, he also brought

791
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Speaker 2: in Ted Roof to bring it full circle to the

792
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Speaker 2: show when he started, I wonder if there's a little

793
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Speaker 2: bit too much of this guy's an Oklahoma guy. Got

794
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Speaker 2: to have him right, you keep on the offensive line coach.

795
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Speaker 2: I think Joe John Finley is an Oklahoma guy who

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Speaker 2: they retained. I want to say he came in a

797
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Speaker 2: year before seth latrell. Oklahoma guy. There is a little

798
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Speaker 2: bit of we'll hire you, Brent Venables, but we'd like

799
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Speaker 2: to have a hand in who you hire, perhaps as

800
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Speaker 2: you know, your first time head coach. And I don't know,

801
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 2: there's a lot of guys who just understand Norman and

802
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 2: we think that that would be a really positive thing

803
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Speaker 2: to have around you. And I hate saying this because

804
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Speaker 2: I know the baggage it brings along. It feels a

805
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 2: little bit usc ish. We're like, oh, this guy's a

806
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 2: usc guy. How long has that been attached to bad

807
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 2: hires and athletic directors? Like there's that attachment it seems

808
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,959
Speaker 2: I'm guessing I have no idea. I am always off

809
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 2: on everything I think about. But as the like Oklahoma guy,

810
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Speaker 2: Oklahoma guy, Oklahoma guy, retain this guy, retain that guy,

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Speaker 2: retain this guy, You're just like, I don't know Bread

812
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Speaker 2: Venables even had a shot to like mold this program

813
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Speaker 2: how he would have liked to, or maybe this is

814
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Speaker 2: his doing too. I don't know, but it seems like

815
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 2: sooner DNA is a little bit too intense around that program,

816
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Speaker 2: and I wonder how much that set back Brent Venable's vision,

817
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 2: if at all. I just I don't know. The injuries

818
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 2: were are worse for sure, offensive line injuries, receiver injuries.

819
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Speaker 2: But I don't love that. Like Jesus he understands Norman,

820
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Speaker 2: I don't love that.

821
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Speaker 1: Any other lingering thoughts for you before we get into

822
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Speaker 1: our game of the week in life or just about

823
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Speaker 1: week nine, whatever you want. If you want to talk

824
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: cheese in this moment, we can talk cheese. We can

825
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Speaker 1: save that for the latter stages of the show. I

826
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Speaker 1: have real cheese packing questions that I think you need

827
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Speaker 1: to answer for me before we engage in this.

828
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Speaker 2: Well that changed the rating on this episode from standard

829
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Speaker 2: to explicit. You're cheese packing questions? Is that a from me?

830
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Speaker 1: I certainly hope not. No. No.

831
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Speaker 2: I just wanted to tip the cap one more time

832
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Speaker 2: to Jaques Hunter, an absolute monster against Kentucky.

833
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Speaker 1: So we do this every week. Are premium for ballers

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Speaker 1: out ofverbawlers dot com. Along with their vote in the

835
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: weekly poll, we ask them ask them for their feedback

836
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: on what we should talk more about. Brian wrote in

837
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Speaker 1: he wants us to talk about the things that have

838
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: happened so far that are challenging some of our commonly

839
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Speaker 1: held beliefs oh Man. At the start of the season,

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Speaker 1: you and I thought about this one a little bit,

841
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Speaker 1: and we decided we're gonna call this segment the October

842
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Speaker 1: Surprise surprise for you.

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Speaker 2: Surprise October surprise. Dam what is this segment exactly? I mean?

844
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Speaker 2: The surprise is that you included Jason Siegel's Wiener in

845
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Speaker 2: an Audi would drop. I guess that's first and foremost.

846
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Speaker 2: And I wasn't the one to do it, to put it,

847
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Speaker 2: to put it too much?

848
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Speaker 1: Was it inappropriate? Should I not have done that?

849
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Speaker 2: Now it's fine, Ty, it's too late. Now what are

850
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 2: the surprises nine weeks into the season. We can go

851
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 2: conference by conference, we can go team by team. We

852
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 2: can go magnitude of surprise, but magnitude of surprise? How

853
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Speaker 2: should we order it?

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Speaker 1: I just think top of top of mind here, what

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Speaker 1: are the things that jump out to you that have

856
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Speaker 1: caught you by surprise now that we're basically three two

857
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Speaker 1: months of the season.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: It can be players, it can be coaches, it can

860
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Speaker 1: be teams. It could be the ways that the new

861
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Speaker 1: world order of college football is being received. Score bugs,

862
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 1: if you want to go down that rabbit hole. Whatever

863
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Speaker 1: you're into, just surprises for you so far as we

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Speaker 1: record this on October the twenty eighth.

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Speaker 2: Okay, one A and one B for me in whoever's

866
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Speaker 2: your A, whoever's your B, it doesn't matter. Florida State

867
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 2: in Indiana didn't have either of these things in those directions.

868
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 2: I liked Kurt Signetti. I liked Florida State heading into

869
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,399
Speaker 2: the season as maybe even a fringe playoff type team

870
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 2: depending on how DJU worked out. And I was not

871
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 2: high on DJU. That was my big question, like, I

872
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 2: don't know if this guy is going to run a

873
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 2: top tier playoff caliber offense. I did not see one

874
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 2: in seven. That's a pretty big surprise to me. And

875
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 2: conversely liked Indiana's higher like the vibes about Indiana. Did

876
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 2: not see undefeated at Halloween. Absolutely did not and probably

877
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 2: would have like seen four and four, five and three

878
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 2: something like that at at their peak. In my mind,

879
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 2: if we were having this conversation in August, expected bigger

880
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 2: things from UCLA. They're a disaster.

881
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: Can I take a knee and talk about Kentucky for

882
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: a second, please? Do I really whiffed on Kentucky. Yeah,

883
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: with badly on Kentucky, I wasn't the only one. Here's

884
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: a real chance Kentucky's going four to eight this season.

885
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: It's only about a nine percent chance of them getting

886
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: back to five hundred. Right now at time of recording

887
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 1: three and five, They've got games left at Tennessee, at Texas,

888
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: and home against Louisville. The only surefire win left on

889
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: this schedule was Murray State in two weeks. And it

890
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: is surprising to me a that the offense has not

891
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: taken flight at all. I just thought it would. I

892
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: thought it had to be better than this. Defense has

893
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: been mostly okay, but the offense has just not generated

894
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: any big plays. Brock Vandergriff has not popped the way

895
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: that I thought he was going to, and so they

896
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: have struggled mightily just to put points up on the board.

897
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: I think taken in tandem with what we have heard

898
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 1: from Mark Stoops in some of his postgame slash pregame stuff,

899
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering if if they missed the ball, and

900
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,919
Speaker 1: again there's a ninety one percent chance they're missing a ball,

901
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: if this is it for Mark Stoops, I'm wondering if

902
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: he looks elsewhere. I'm wondering if they decided part ways.

903
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 1: He's been there forever.

904
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 2: I don't know what's his buyout.

905
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: Buy out something like four or five million dollars. So

906
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: it's it's definitely doable. But it just feels to me

907
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 1: like things have gone sideways there in very real way

908
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: that I did not expect. That to me is a

909
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 1: huge surprise. First and fore, the first thing I jotted

910
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: down when we started talking about October surprises. Yeah, Kentucky,

911
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: maybe going four to eight is like.

912
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 2: I did not have the Big twelve beyond being high

913
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 2: on Kansas State and Iowa State, and you were higher

914
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 2: on Iowa State going into the season. I did not

915
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: have the Big twelve pegged at all in this way.

916
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 2: I had look at it, look at the bottom of

917
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 2: this conference in Arizona, Utah, UCF, and Kansas. Who I

918
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 2: thought all the world of all of these teams are

919
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 2: combined four and sixteen in conference in this moment. Now

920
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 2: Utah injuries, Arizona coaching change, UCF, ted rufe, you know, handcuffing,

921
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 2: sure Kansas loses an offensive coordinator. Did not have Kansas

922
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 2: falling off like this, So big twelve wise Colorado being

923
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 2: this good, definitely didn't have it, thought they'd be improved

924
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 2: from last year, didn't have them in conference contention around Halloween.

925
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 2: BYU nowhere on my rear.

926
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: Who whoa, whoa whah, whoa wa.

927
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 2: We need to pause, please, we need to take a

928
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 2: knee and give BYU it's due here. Of course, I'm

929
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 2: saying BYU was nowhere near the conference championship level. To

930
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 2: me in August, we need to keep picking against BYU

931
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 2: because if we continue doing that and they finished twelve

932
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 2: and oh go to the playoff, then we could take

933
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 2: credit for reverse jings. It's win win. You're either right

934
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 2: or you're wrong and helpful. I'm going to keep.

935
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: Picking against BYU. I did hear from some BYU fans

936
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: who kind of like they didn't want to say it

937
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: aloud because we don't want to reverse any of the

938
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: occult forces here that might be working in their favor.

939
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,399
Speaker 1: So it was more of a link in a nod

940
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,919
Speaker 1: An assumption and understanding. I'm going to keep picking again.

941
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 2: Every week, I'm going to pick against them, not this week,

942
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 2: but they're on by Holy War week eleven.

943
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: We're going to find a way to pick Utah. That

944
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 1: being said, both offensively and defensively, this team has taken

945
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: a huge stride forward. I'm looking at sp plus numbers

946
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: as compared to twenty twenty three. Their offense this year

947
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 1: twenty second overall. Last year they finished seventy fifth overall,

948
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 1: their defense this year thirty.

949
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 2: I've got a keyten SLA most of the year.

950
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: Last year, yes, yes, just making sure defense was ninety

951
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 1: fourth a year ago is thirty sixth this year. They've

952
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,879
Speaker 1: taken a huge stride as far as that goes as well.

953
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 1: This is a team that I feel continues to improve,

954
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: continues to get better. Jake Rehetzloff has been money. He

955
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: doesn't have stats to jump off the page at you,

956
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 1: and I remember having a conversation with you with folks

957
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 1: on Utah Radio about how the quarterback situation was sort

958
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: of up in the air, and when we did last

959
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: year's shows and they brought Reetzloff in for the first time,

960
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: it was like they liked this kid, but he only

961
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 1: completed fifty percent of his passes. It wasn't a great situation.

962
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: There was a fair amount of concern as to whether

963
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: or not he would stick as BYU starter, I think

964
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: in the start of the year, we also thought it

965
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: was going to be Gary Bohnden or somebody else starting

966
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 1: for this BYU team. Right as it were, Reetzloff gets

967
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: the job. He has embraced the role. He has been

968
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: effective as not only a passer where he has taken strides,

969
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: he has literally taken strides in the rushing game as

970
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: well and run for some hard earned yards. This is

971
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: a kid who is powering this offense to a top

972
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 1: twenty five caliber unit. Right now. They do not win

973
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: the same way others win. If you watch the games,

974
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of everything. But they are finding

975
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 1: ways to get this done. And again I re emphasize

976
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: they are getting better. It feels to me like each

977
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 1: time I watch BYU they're getting just a little bit better,

978
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: especially on the offensive side of the ball. You have

979
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: to go back to like week two or three, that

980
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 1: game against SMU when they scored eighteen points. That was

981
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: the last time truly when they undershot projections on the

982
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,240
Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball. So they have gotten better.

983
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: I look at their projections the rest of the way.

984
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: I mean, there are potentially some nail biers in here,

985
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: but they right now on paper, look like they're better

986
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: than every team that remains their schedule. So twelve and oh, BYU,

987
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: maybe time to talk to our kids about it.

988
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 2: Maybe it's time to talk to your kids about bringing

989
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 2: in Keten Slovas, because every team that Keaton Slovas leaves

990
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 2: immediately has a revelation on offense. Keaton Slovas leaves USC,

991
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 2: incomes Caleb Williams Heisman, Keaten Slovas leaves Pitt. Yes, maybe

992
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 2: a year later, it took some time. There was the

993
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 2: Filderkovic experience. A year later, incomes Eli Holstein and Kate Bell.

994
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 2: Keaten Slovas leaves BYU, incomes Jake Rhetz laugh and an

995
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 2: incredible Byus.

996
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: He's an agent of change. Dan, He's an agent of change.

997
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 2: He's a cooler and a heater all at the same time.

998
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 2: That was so mean to Swards, Keith and Slovas, who's

999
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 2: probably a good dude. And I apologize it's all a coincidence,

1000
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 2: but wowza BYU, man, Yeah, BYU has been a huge

1001
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 2: surprise to me. Who else is been surprise to you?

1002
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,959
Speaker 2: I mean everybody? I'm you know, I overstudy and under

1003
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 2: liver with regularity. In August, So I didn't have Arkansas

1004
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 2: having this kind of energy. Even though it's been sort

1005
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 2: of a weird year for the Hogs, offensively, they've been

1006
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 2: quite fun. I didn't see Taylor Green that the ceiling

1007
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 2: of tailing Green I knew was there, but I think

1008
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 2: he's been more consistent, hopefully then I thought. I thought

1009
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 2: Nico was going to be better, and obviously he's had

1010
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 2: higher ceiling moments, but I didn't. I didn't fully have

1011
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 2: this Tennessee offense struggling for the stretches that they've had

1012
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 2: this season. I think you nailed the Kentucky thing. I

1013
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 2: don't think I thought Oklahoma would be better.

1014
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: I didn't have this Listen. I don't want to. I

1015
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: don't want to dunk on Oklahoma too much more.

1016
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 2: I think we've done enough of it.

1017
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, sorry about Oklahoma State.

1018
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 2: Yeah you. I was not high on Oklahoma State like

1019
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 2: you were high on Oklahoma State.

1020
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:50,879
Speaker 1: How low were you on Oklahoma State?

1021
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 2: Though?

1022
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,280
Speaker 1: Did you have them zero to five in conference?

1023
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 2: I know early on I theorized as soon as you

1024
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 2: think they're bad, they're good, and as soon as you

1025
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 2: think they're good, they're bad, And so I think I

1026
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 2: was not in the zero to five in conference camp,

1027
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,439
Speaker 2: but I couldn't fully bring myself there like you could.

1028
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: I was all it on this team. I love their

1029
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: returning production. I like what they were bringing back. I

1030
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: had them in my Big twelve championship game against Utah.

1031
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,879
Speaker 1: Looks like I whipped on both fronts there. That's okay.

1032
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: A lot of people have right, this has just not

1033
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: been a good campaign. This has just been really bad.

1034
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: Their inability, I think to recapture the Ali Gordon magic

1035
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: has definitely come back to bite them right. This rushing attack.

1036
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,240
Speaker 1: We've talked about it for a good chunk of the season. Already,

1037
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: they are allowing a lot of big plays defensively. I

1038
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: really think while there's a lot of focus on the

1039
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 1: offense at Alan Bowman and you know, some of their

1040
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: own quarterbacking, what they've done on defense has left a

1041
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: lot to be desired. I mean, it's just a lot

1042
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: of red frankly on the spreadsheet. It's not been good

1043
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: and that has definitely made it harder. I think Alan Bowman,

1044
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 1: for his part, you know, has been okay, still throwing

1045
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: way too many interceptions, but better than the alternative. Yeah,

1046
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: and I don't think it's all on him. This has

1047
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: just been a big time let down for the Post

1048
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 1: this season, and it was gettable. It felt very, very gettable.

1049
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 1: The schedules seemed workable, especially now with what we know

1050
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: in hindsight of you know, Utah not being the Utah

1051
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: that we expected, Like there was a lot that was

1052
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 1: there for this team. And as such, now they've lost

1053
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: five in a row, they're going into a week where

1054
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: they've got Arizona State coming to town. I believe ASU

1055
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 1: is a one point favorite in Stillwater. There's a chance

1056
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: they could lose at TCU. There's a chance they could

1057
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,439
Speaker 1: lose at home against Texas Tech. There's a very real

1058
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: chance they could lose on the road at Colorado. I

1059
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: don't know where this team is at right now. I

1060
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: genuinely don't know where they're at. But they're three and

1061
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: five and there are some games coming up here that

1062
00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: all look to me like they're losable.

1063
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't have anything to add to that. You're right,

1064
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right. Can I give you a surprise team

1065
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 2: in another conference? There's more Big twelve thoughts? Please? Please?

1066
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 2: Didn't have NC State giving up three hundred and fifty

1067
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 2: two combined points to Tennessee and Clemson definitely didn't have

1068
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 2: that on NC State season, losing to Wake, barely beating Cal.

1069
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 2: I mean, look, the Grace McCall thing is certainly an

1070
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 2: element that he didn't work out. Obviously, the injury stuff

1071
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 2: was awful. And saw that he is retiring from football

1072
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 2: and wish him the best as he looks like he's

1073
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 2: transitioning to a coaching career, which is great. Hope it

1074
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 2: is killer for him. Definitely didn't have this NC State

1075
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 2: and there's the bright spot with CJ. Bailey moving forward

1076
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 2: and beating Cal is nice. But it seemed like all

1077
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Speaker 2: things were pointing towards this being an NC State ten

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Speaker 2: and TWOI ish type year, given how they'd built and

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Speaker 2: given how they finished last year. Did not happen. Here's

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Speaker 2: an interesting surprise to me other than Indiana. If you

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Speaker 2: had been presented this big ten standing sheet on August

1082
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 2: twenty eighth, from October twenty eighth, you'd probably say, as

1083
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 2: you can pull it up, listener or tie. You'd be like,

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00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 2: he was kind of all right, Like I understand that

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00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 2: maybe I was high on Rutgers and it hasn't worked out.

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Speaker 2: But that's not a crazy surprise that it didn't work out.

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Speaker 2: For Rutgers or Purdue. You look at it, you're like, well, yeah,

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00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 2: I mean it's kind of Indiana's this shocker. But everything

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00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 2: else you're like, yeah, it felt fell within like a

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Speaker 2: couple standard deviations of expectations.

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Speaker 1: USC at two and FOURIGN conference, I think is the

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Speaker 1: one that jumps out that one to me.

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Speaker 2: I mean, were you crazy high on USC in August? Oh,

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00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 2: I don't even remember. I was higher than two and four. Okay,

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00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 2: I thought they I thought they'd be better than this.

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00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised that there would be a little bit

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Speaker 1: of bottoming out after you lose Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 2: But certainly after the LSU win. This is a surprising record.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, yah, yeah, oh my god.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. But otherwise I think that's fair. I think that's fair.

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Speaker 1: The Michigan in one, you know, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: I expected Michigan to be this inept on offense.

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00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 2: So they looked better last week, right, sorry? Yeah, relatively speaking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But to see Michigan sitting there at five and three,

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Speaker 1: three and two in conference seventh, tied for seventh in

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Speaker 1: conf or tied for fifth, whatever this is in conference,

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00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: that that feels lower. It's just maybe I'm uncomfortable seeing

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00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:27,919
Speaker 1: them that low because they've been so good for so long, right,

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00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: I think that's a bit of a surprise as well.

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00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: Another one that I don't know is a huge surprise.

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00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: But I'd say, for sure looking at Washington, Washington is

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Speaker 1: record wise about what I expected.

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Speaker 2: I think they're other than the Rutgers loss. I think Washington,

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00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 2: and look, the Wazoo loss is not pretty if you're

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00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 2: a Washington fan. But I don't know. I think it's

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00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 2: about right considering all the changes.

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00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: I think I think they will be a grower here

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Speaker 1: the remainder of the season. They'll end up higher okay,

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Speaker 1: in the standings in the Big ten. So they still

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Speaker 1: think Washington's okay, But just given all of their turnover,

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Speaker 1: it was hard to see it clicking right away.

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Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough. Any other surprise, I mean app State

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Speaker 2: bottoming out. I didn't have that, dude, That's where I

1124
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Speaker 2: was going next. I whiffed on that one, bad, Yep.

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Speaker 2: I was all in on app State. I had them

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Speaker 2: in my playoff mm hmm, same.

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00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 1: Absolutely had them in my playoff. App State I think

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Speaker 1: is one.

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Speaker 2: I was pretty high on Texas State, and Texas State

1130
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 2: is granted only one game out of the West right

1131
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 2: in the sun Belt, but your chips were pushed in. Yeah, yeah,

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00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 2: I expected to see a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: I was not ever high on the Jared Parker hire

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00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 1: at Troy, as we've already described here. I did not

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Speaker 1: expect that that would be one and seven.

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Speaker 2: One and seven.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, this has just been sort of a disaster.

1138
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: First campaign for Jared park credit program that has seen

1139
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Speaker 1: a lot of success.

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Speaker 2: One of the most consistent programs in America, regardless of conference,

1141
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 2: is awful this year in Air Force. I was definitely

1142
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 2: in on Air Force being at least a borderline threat

1143
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 2: to most teams that they were playing. No, sir, right

1144
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 2: in solid verbal at gmail dot com, let us know

1145
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 2: what surprised you so far the season.

1146
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: Would like to hear more. You can, of course always

1147
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: reach out to us on social media as well. We'd

1148
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 1: love to get your input.

1149
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 2: If you're a new listener, please chime in, let us

1150
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 2: know your thoughts in this, let us know how you

1151
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 2: found us.

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00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: We care about those sorts of things. I've been reaching

1153
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: out to people here and there just to get more

1154
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 1: details on how they found us this season. If you're

1155
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: new here, would welcome you to give us that feedback

1156
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, right, here's what it looks like the

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Speaker 1: rest of the way, Dan. Obviously, we've got our Big

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Speaker 1: ten Breakfast, which is going to drop Onriday morning. We've

1159
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 1: got our Week ten preview episode, which will drop on

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01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 1: Thursday morning. We are going to the Oregon Michigan game,

1161
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: so the Saturday night episode is going to be a

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01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 1: little bit different. We're going to do our best to

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01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: put something together and get it out there since some

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01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: people rely on that content late at night to make

1165
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: sure that they're up to date with what transpired, but

1166
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 1: stay two to our social feeds. We will do our

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01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: best to put together some express version of a show

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Speaker 1: that you could react to.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: As for the Week ten games, the big one is

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Speaker 1: Ohio State Penn State. It's a big noon game minus

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01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 1: four at Penn State. Got a bunch of other interesting ones.

1173
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 1: We've got Texas A and M at South Carolina a

1174
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:50,439
Speaker 1: short point spread. I got Indiana against Michigan State. Don't

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01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: know what's going to happen in that one. If Curtis

1176
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 1: work is going to be back. Where is that game

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Speaker 1: at Michigan State?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: Obviously Oregon at Michigan will be at that one. We

1180
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 1: could provide boots on the ground coverage. We've got Florida

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01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: versus Georgia, We've got pit at SMU, handful of other

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Speaker 1: games here that we're going to get into over the

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01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: next couple days or so. And we do our week

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01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: ten preview episode. But would encourage everybody yes, to make

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01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: sure he hit follow or subscribe, and if you've already

1186
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: done so, leave rating a review, tell your friends again.

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Speaker 1: We talked through some crazy scenarios on today's show, and

1188
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: there is a pretty good chance that it's gonna get wild.

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01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 1: Even if it doesn't get that wild, it's gonna get weird.

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Speaker 1: We'd love to have here with us.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of which, by the way, if you see us

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Speaker 2: wandering around in ann Arbor, yes, whether it's beforehand, whether

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01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 2: it's at the tailgate. I just want to be absolutely

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01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 2: clear about something. I know it might be tempting. I

1195
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 2: know in your head you might want to say something,

1196
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 2: but Ty is happily married and he is not interested. Okay, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I just want to I want to put that out

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Speaker 2: in the universe now, because once you see him, you're

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01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 2: gonna say to yourself, oh my god, is that tie

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01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 2: hild in Brand? Oh, this is my shots. Yeah, I'm

1201
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 2: like Tom Cruise out there, Dan. He appreciates it, he

1202
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 2: is flattered, he is happily married.

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Speaker 1: How am I gonna do this cheese thing? How much?

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01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 1: How much cheese do you want? What is standard for

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01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: you to take in a suitcase with you when you've

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01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 1: done other kind of surreptitious cheesey?

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Speaker 2: Do you think I'm out here doing cheese exchanges with

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Speaker 2: any old Tom Dick or Harry Tye.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you're into out there. Okay, we

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01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 1: connect virtually, but you never really know a guy.

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Speaker 2: Anytime I travel with cheese, it's only for myself. So

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01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 2: I've never done this before. Okay, so let me say,

1213
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 2: as my phone is ringing, let me say, I don't

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01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 2: know how many slices of Is it come by the

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01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 2: slice or do you buy it by the block and

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01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 2: slice it yourself, shrit it yourself? What do you do?

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Speaker 2: You should just get it from Wegmans. You just want

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01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 2: to I know, but is it pre sliced or is

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01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 2: it in a block?

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Speaker 1: I don't know if they'll sell me the block when

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01:02:57,760 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: I've gotten it, it's been pre sliced.

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Speaker 2: Great's I'll take pret sliced cheese. I don't know, a

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01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 2: dozen slices, would that be crazy?

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Speaker 1: We we work by the pound over here in eastern Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 2: Well whenever that I don't know. Toy, give me a

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01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 2: pound pound and a half, I get.

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Speaker 1: You a pound pound of cheese.

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01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 2: I'm bringing you a five pound bag. Now it on

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01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 2: my game a little bit. Well, this is just how

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Speaker 2: it comes and the way I buy it. All right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna. I'm gonna. Do you want me to keep

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01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 2: it frozen or do you want it to thaw? I

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01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 2: don't I don't know what I'm doing here. This is

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01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 2: my first foray into.

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Speaker 1: Exchanges.

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Speaker 2: This is like the size of I don't know, it's

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01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 2: probably about it's probably eighteen inches by twelve inches or

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01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 2: something like that, maybe four or five inches deep. You

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01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 2: just gotta have room for it. Again, do you want

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01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 2: it frozen or thought?

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01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: I don't know.

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01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 2: Either way, it'll be chilled. I have no idea how

1243
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 2: to answer that. Whatever you think as best, we'll roll

1244
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 2: with that. We're gonna do a cheese exchange and take

1245
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 2: a picture as if we are shaking hands at a

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01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 2: treaty in a demilitarized zone. Okay, yeah, that's yeah, pound

1247
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 2: and a half. That's great for me. How many slices

1248
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 2: would be in a pound typically.

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01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 1: Or pretty many? No, there's more than that.

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01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 2: Oh okay, that's mine. Pound of cheese is great.

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Speaker 1: Okay. On that note, thank you for downloading, for listening,

1252
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 1: for supporting. We will talk to you all on Thursday

1253
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 1: when we do our week ten preview episode. Don't forget

1254
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 1: to check out for Ballers dot com and.

1255
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 2: Further support our cheese habits here on the show. For

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Speaker 2: that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubisti form myself,

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01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 2: Tie Hill, and Brandt, we will talk to.

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Speaker 1: You all soon. In the meantime, enjoy your week as always,

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01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 1: stay solid, peace,