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Speaker 1: Devin Dawson coming in just a few minutes, so we'll

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Speaker 1: we'll talk to him, like literally, he's coming in a

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Speaker 1: few minutes, so we'll talk to him, and then Eddie

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Speaker 1: and I will hop into songs that artists refused to

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Speaker 1: play live, so them still if you just play these songs,

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Speaker 1: there massive songs. Some of them they stopped playing them.

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Speaker 1: Now they play them again. Some of them didn't play it,

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Speaker 1: So we'll talk about that. As always, let's do my

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Speaker 1: new music. Top five Zane from One Direction has a

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Speaker 1: new album called Nobody Is Listening. Here's a new song

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Speaker 1: called Vibes. And number four Blake Shelton has a new

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Speaker 1: song Hello. Controversy with this one, but not really. It

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Speaker 1: was a dumb controversy. People are like, well, you gotta

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Speaker 1: make fun of minimum wage, but the song is not.

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Speaker 1: The song is called minimum Wage from Blake Shelton. You

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Speaker 1: a mag You can make it one bit park man

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Speaker 1: feel like a house. You can make my trunk out

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Speaker 1: a manful rich minimum wage. At number three is C

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Speaker 1: four Now they played the radio show and let me

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Speaker 1: tell you they're really freaking good. Who knew I met

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Speaker 1: him before, but I know they sounded that good line

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Speaker 1: was very impressed? What that crap out of nowhere? Here

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Speaker 1: they are number three. Their new song is called Breakups

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Speaker 1: said sim would and choke it all. All he said

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Speaker 1: I don't think I take that kill some drunk at

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Speaker 1: little talk it all right? Oh I want to do?

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Speaker 1: Is Number two. Devin Dawson, who will be in later,

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Speaker 1: has the Pink slip ep. Here's a new song called

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Speaker 1: not on My Watch Sweet thought I was down for

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Speaker 1: up boo sweet that I was got it. And number

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Speaker 1: one Marion Morris has a new song with JP Sacks.

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Speaker 1: It is called line by Line, a f song If

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Speaker 1: I tried to, so sometimes if it's don't sound right,

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Speaker 1: I am pioche and I just said it because it stafinite.

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Speaker 1: So I they actually wrote that together, which is pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: There there you go. That's my phone alarm going off.

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Speaker 1: Sand don't be late for the podcast. In case you

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Speaker 1: heard that, albums out Future Violence. Heaven is a place.

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Speaker 1: This is the place. Sammy Hagar in the Circle have Lockdown.

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Speaker 1: You can now get it stream a digital version. Matthew

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Speaker 1: Sweet has cats Paw, Kurt Vile Speed listen. I have

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Speaker 1: no idea what this is. This one sound lonely, cave

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Speaker 1: and ep. I don't know. There's just some words in

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Speaker 1: Music news, Morgan Wallin's new album Dangerous, which came out Friday,

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Speaker 1: is already a phenomenon in set a record Apple Music

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Speaker 1: one in the number one country album in sixty two

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Speaker 1: at chart Data, tweeted on January nine, Dangerous. The double

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Speaker 1: Chris Novis, Selic and Pat Smear. Speaking in a new interview,

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Speaker 1: come back with Devon in a second. Singer songwriter Ed

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Speaker 1: Bruce died at eight, one best known for writing Mamas,

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Speaker 1: Blake Shelton, on and on Rest in peace. Taylor Swift

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Speaker 1: you go, alright, So Devin Dawson is about to come in.

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Speaker 1: I always enjoyed talking with this guy and Eddie and

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Speaker 1: Devin Dawson right now, I'm good to see Bud. You

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Speaker 1: what I mean? Um Tin Penny has one, Hardy has one,

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Speaker 1: but mine's bigger than this. My truck is bigger than Hardy's. Well,

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Speaker 1: not that big, y'all. It's it looks good, trust me.

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Speaker 1: Devin Dawson at Z Devon. So, as we talked about this,

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Speaker 1: So I took it as with the dogs running, like

427
00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,480
Speaker 1: you're out running dogs after a deer or after a fox.

428
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,239
Speaker 1: And so I heard it same words, but I just

429
00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,440
Speaker 1: have a different said interpretation different. And that's the cool

430
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,640
Speaker 1: thing about songs. I think sometimes you can get really

431
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,240
Speaker 1: specific and you think that it's gonna alienate people, but

432
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,840
Speaker 1: sometimes those specifics allow them to put it in their

433
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 1: own story, you know what I mean. Um? Yeah. The

434
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:16,440
Speaker 1: other thing I remember is um, I think it was

435
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:17,879
Speaker 1: like an ally you thing. But I was like, we

436
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,040
Speaker 1: have to do something with the Devil one down to Georgia,

437
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 1: Like I don't know where it is, I don't know

438
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 1: what good and Hardy just goes Devil one down to Georgia,

439
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:25,919
Speaker 1: but he didn't stick around. This is God's country. And

440
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:27,480
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, this is it. We

441
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,400
Speaker 1: gotta we gotta not mess this one up. We gotta

442
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,680
Speaker 1: get out of its way, you know. And yeah, that's

443
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's been such a blessing. Um. I mean,

444
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,439
Speaker 1: you finish it and you say you didn't really know

445
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 1: the power of it, and and this is still way

446
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 1: early on you hear the demo back, who's saying the demo?

447
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 1: Hardy saying the demo? That was his idea and and

448
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 1: at that time, and I can get into this more

449
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 1: a little bit too, but it was kind of more

450
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,199
Speaker 1: teed up for his artistry than mine. One. It was

451
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,679
Speaker 1: his idea. And he started singing in the room. And

452
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 1: you don't go in saying like we're gonna write one

453
00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,680
Speaker 1: for Hardy or we're gonna write one for Devon. It's

454
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,399
Speaker 1: just we're does the where does the creative juice land?

455
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 1: Is it your idea? Is it mine? Even if it's

456
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:05,879
Speaker 1: my idea? Is it better if you? It kind of

457
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 1: just works out by the end, you know. Um, And

458
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 1: he's sang the demo and I think, you know, I'm

459
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,639
Speaker 1: such a lyric guy that I left knowing that the

460
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 1: lyrics were air tight, and I knew all the melodies

461
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: were good, but I just hadn't heard it like in

462
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 1: one to play altogether, and so I knew it was good.

463
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 1: But sometimes you have to wait for the harmonies to

464
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 1: come in and like all the tracks stuff to kind

465
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,639
Speaker 1: of exemplify it. I guess you needed the whole blanket

466
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 1: to lay on you. It's kind of the way I

467
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,639
Speaker 1: would describe it. So so the whole blanket lays on

468
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 1: you and you're like okay, but then it's not. You know,

469
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 1: you didn't cut it. Hardy didn't cut it. Did did

470
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 1: you get? Did Hardy want to cut it? From what

471
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,199
Speaker 1: I understand, um, it was one thing where Hardy was like,

472
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 1: holy crap, like I love this song. I want to

473
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 1: sing this. And I think his publisher was like, I

474
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 1: know Blake's cutting, Like if we can just you know,

475
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,359
Speaker 1: just send it to him and see what he thinks,

476
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 1: Like would you be down for that? And hard he

477
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 1: was like, he's the only person that would sing this

478
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:58,879
Speaker 1: and if he's not gonna do it, I'm gonna do it.

479
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,160
Speaker 1: He's like, that's the only person that I can really envision.

480
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 1: And from what I understand, um, Hardy's publisher sent it

481
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 1: to Scott Hendrix, who's Blake's producer, and Scott sent Blake

482
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 1: like a playlist of like five or six songs to

483
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 1: listen to to pitch to him. And he's out in

484
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 1: Oklahoma and it's farm riding in his tractor and the

485
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,120
Speaker 1: first one on the list is God's Country and apparently

486
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 1: he just stopped the tractor and I was like, I

487
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 1: don't need to hear any of these other songs, like

488
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 1: this is what I want to do, And they literally

489
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 1: went into the studio the next week, like from blank

490
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,919
Speaker 1: paper to number one, it was like six months and

491
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: that never ever. And this isn't me bragging, this is

492
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 1: me like in disbelief, you know what I mean. It's

493
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 1: like that never happens. It's almost like ruined the rest

494
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 1: of it for me because it probably won't happen that

495
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 1: quick or that great ever again. I don't know. But

496
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 1: so with that with the song, I guess with the track,

497
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 1: did you hear it? And how early did you get

498
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 1: to hear it before everybody else heard it? Well? I

499
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 1: had a d because I'm at Warner as well, and

500
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 1: so Blake is at Warner and um Scott was working

501
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 1: on it and he wanted me to do a harmony

502
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 1: he had used some of Hardy's vocals from the demo,

503
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 1: and he's like, why don't you sing a low harmony

504
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 1: on the on the chorus, And so I'm on the

505
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: chorus and then there's like this high like metal. Yeah,

506
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: like this high thing that I'm not going to do

507
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 1: in this room right now. But um, I did a

508
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: version of that, and I think he used one of

509
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: mine and one of hard Use, and so I kind

510
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: of like heard it as it went, like I still

511
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: have like an acoustic version of it that I did

512
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: that he sent to my brother because I did my

513
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: vocals with my brother Jacob, and um yeah, I just

514
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 1: I just knew it was gonna be crazy. But even then,

515
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: I'm never going to tell myself this is a single,

516
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: this is the first single until I get that call

517
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: from SPO or Chris Lacy here whoever. It is like

518
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 1: I'm still just acting like it's it's just a good song,

519
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But you hear it all

520
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: the way through on the radio or playing over and speaker,

521
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 1: and is it like level two of what you heard

522
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 1: the first time when you heard the demo? Yeah, his

523
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: voice like I mean Blake, the way he sings and

524
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 1: the way he pronounced his words, like he's so good

525
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 1: at pronouncing I don't know how else to say it.

526
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: Like his phonetics are just like really unique to the

527
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: way that he talks. And hearing him interpret some of

528
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: the words that Hardy would say but maybe slur a

529
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: little bit because it's Hardy's swag, you know, it was

530
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 1: really cool to just and yeah, I don't know if

531
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: I'm answering your question. I'm just trying to remember all

532
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 1: of it. It's just it was just a cool moment,

533
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: the one this single of the year at the c

534
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: M as. So it went from you know you to

535
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 1: him cutting it quickly to coming out winning single of

536
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: the Year. I think if I'm remembering right, because maybe

537
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: it was a c M it was an award show

538
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,439
Speaker 1: that was presenting on And then I remember seeing you

539
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: with Blake on a stage that wasn't in the same building.

540
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: What was that a Blake's bar we did seeing at

541
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: c M A fest at his at the old bar?

542
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: What is that what I remember? Yeah? So I went

543
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: out he did a performance for cmafest where a lot

544
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 1: of people were in the stadium. You know they would

545
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,199
Speaker 1: usually do that. I think he just wanted to do

546
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: it in his bar, and then they cut it on

547
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: the big screens in the stadium and I came in

548
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 1: saying a harmony and I thought that was super cool

549
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: them and just to be completely candid, which I feel like,

550
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: you know, I can always do with you, Like I

551
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: love that moment. But I also felt like I wanted

552
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: Hardy to be there, like because it was his idea

553
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: and he's sang the demo and I think, I, you know,

554
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 1: I obviously am going to jump at any chance to

555
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: sing a harmony, and I know he used both of

556
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: our things, but it was like I kind of felt

557
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,239
Speaker 1: bad to be on that stage without Hardy because like

558
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 1: he's done so much and it was like he's he's

559
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: just a beast, and I just always want to tip

560
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: my hat to him, you know what I mean. The

561
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: last question about this song is that I'm assuming, being

562
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: the assumer that I am, that you made more money

563
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: off this song than any other song by far. Yeah,

564
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: it's still probably coming in. Yeah, this one will be

565
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: like this is what we call like a copyright, like

566
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: it'll be it's it's it's his biggest song ever, which

567
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 1: is so crazy, you know, And um, It's definitely been

568
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 1: way easier and a lot less stressful during quarantine. Because

569
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: of that, I've also been able to pay my band

570
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: out of my publishing pocket because I haven't made able

571
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 1: to play any shows, and I've still been able to

572
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: support them and help them pay their bills. So it's

573
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: been a blessing in such a weird year. It's been

574
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: the most incredible bright spot to kind of like set

575
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: me up. It's like you look back on things and like, wow,

576
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: Like if that hadn't happened, how had this year been

577
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: way different from me? I would have probably been a

578
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: little bit more stressed. You know, you mentioned one beer.

579
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 1: Let's play a little bit of this so you get

580
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: a number one as a feature does hard to hit

581
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: you up and go, hey, we're gonna do a There's

582
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 1: a three of us, four others, two of us Like

583
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: what would he hit you up? This one's kind of

584
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: crazy because we were actually at Red Doors celebrating God's

585
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 1: Country going number one, and I'm drinking tequila and beer

586
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 1: and my my twin brother drums for Hardy and also

587
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: writes with him a lot um. If you haven't met

588
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: Jacob you Wilson, He's just he's crushing it right now.

589
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: He's talking to me. Yeah, he produced one of our

590
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: raging idiot songs we play on. Didn't know that, okay,

591
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: so you know him? Okay? Cool? Um he's like, oh

592
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: I know your brother. Um, you probably saw him more

593
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 1: recently than you saw me recently. Probably yes, um, but

594
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: he uh So we were all at the bar anyways,

595
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: and and my brother had told me what hard he's

596
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: working on this like feature album, Hicks tape up with

597
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: friends and stuff like that, and I kind of like

598
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: gotten hard his ear a little bit. I was like, hey, like,

599
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: I hear you're working on something like if you got

600
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: something a little like left handed, a little weird, a

601
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: little darker, like get your boy on it, you know.

602
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: And um, he sent me the song the next day

603
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: and he was like, we really wanted to do this song,

604
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: but it's such an outlier on this album, like we

605
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: didn't know how to get it right. And then you

606
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: came up and it just kind of all made sense.

607
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: And then Lauren was in and it's like when you

608
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 1: hear that whole album of just like back road redneck

609
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: smashes and then you hear this, It's not Baladi by

610
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: any means it's just has a little bit different edge

611
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: sonically than the other ones. Um and definitely the most

612
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: unlikely single in my mind, Like I'm not gonna lie,

613
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: like it's the last song on the album. It's kind

614
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: of the darker one compared to these like stadium smashes, um.

615
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: But I think that's why it poked through somehow, because

616
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: it was different, and you know, I guess that's what

617
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: because the fans reacted to it. You know, Big Lad

618
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: is really good about just listening to stats and looking

619
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: at plays, and apparently this was one of the most

620
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: like people went back to this song on their own,

621
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: their natural plays or whatever, um, and they chose it

622
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: as a single. And it was weird working a song

623
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: during a year where I wouldn't I mean, we would

624
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: have normally played this on like TV shows and radio

625
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: shows and all this stuff, and we've maybe saying it

626
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: four times total. It's crazy. It's like if a number

627
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: one goes in the woods, does it fall? Does anyone

628
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: know that's the number one in the woods? I don't know.

629
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: It's it's crazy, man. I'm gonna ask you about what

630
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: you think of country now From from Morgan Wallen, which

631
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: wrote so play a little bit of this now he's

632
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: got a little round, got to do it a little

633
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: bit dog wrapped up. Now you know what it is about?

634
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: Get back in conw Could you write this one with?

635
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: I wrote this with Dallas Davidson, Justin Wilson, my best

636
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: friend Kyle Fishman, who I've known since I was twelve

637
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: years old, and Mr Mark Holeman and we literally started

638
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: the day at ten am at Luke Brian's Bar downtown

639
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: and d Davidson and Luke are really good friends. And

640
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: the bar doesn't open till eleven, and we went there

641
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: and like knocked on the door. They're like, hey, we

642
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: were not open yet. In Dallas is like, I'll just

643
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: call Luke real quick, and I'm just like in the

644
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: back laughing like this is ridiculous, and just that's just

645
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: how the day started. And then of course we get like,

646
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: you know, a party anthem out of it, and um,

647
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. I kind of just sat back and

648
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: worked on lyrics. This one like melodically and musically is

649
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: a little bit more country read than I go. But

650
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: I also just want to make sure it's a well

651
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: crafted lyric, you know. Um, so I let Dallas do

652
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: his thing melodically and kind of just figured out how

653
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: to get the lyrics together. But um, were you a

654
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: straight songwriter on this or did you? Were you writing

655
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: songs for you that day? Are we just writing songs

656
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: with just as a Well? He had written this is

657
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: the second song we wrote that day, So I think

658
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: we just wanted to get together and write a bunch

659
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: and we wrote one in the morning that was really cool.

660
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: And then Kyle just played this track and like someone

661
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: had the title and then monomfa like I think I

662
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: sang that melody and that kind of just like went out,

663
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: and Um, I think at that point we were just

664
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: having fun and writing a song not even knowing who

665
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,479
Speaker 1: it was for, you know what I mean? Um, And

666
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: I think that comes through when you hear it. You know,

667
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: it's just fun try too. On the pink slip, this

668
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: is I got a truck from Devon, I got something

669
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: to say, I got it out in my name, you

670
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: got a little bit of luck. I got this school

671
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: and get it feeling in my guess and now I

672
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: gotta check. Do you think about how massive your truck is?

673
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: Later on in the song that's the yeah, that's the

674
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: B side version. So what's up with this truck? What? What?

675
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: What was the inspiration? Oh my gosh, so many, so

676
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: many things to say, and I'm gonna try to keep

677
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: it short, but essentially it was inspired by a conversation

678
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: I had with Tim McGraw. Um. We were on the

679
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: road with him for a couple of summers with him

680
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: and Faith for the Soul of Soul Tours and if

681
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: I'm right, I'm which I wish, I know I am.

682
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: This was the first in Louisiana and that's his home state,

683
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: and um, usually I think his dressing room was on

684
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: the other side of the arena and then you know,

685
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: we get over here with the openers on our side

686
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: or whatever. But I think he had so much family

687
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: that night from being Louisiana that, for whatever reason, his

688
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: dressing room was right next to ours. First night play

689
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: Dark Horse, at the end of my set, walking off stage,

690
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: let my band play out the out show, they have

691
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: their moment, I shake hands, give hugs, things we used

692
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: to do, and walking the back, take my ears out

693
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: and I got my guitar and Tim is just in

694
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: the hallway with his guitar player Bobby, and he's just

695
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: warming up and singing a cover that he was working

696
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: on that night or something, and I was like, well,

697
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: this is a nice breaker, you know. I walked up,

698
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: started singing and playing, and it kind of just turned

699
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: into you know, thanks for having me, welcome to the show,

700
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: like if you need anything, let me know, and it

701
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: just turned into like a wisdom conversation and um, things

702
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: that he has found to hold on to, things that

703
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: he has found that are important to um, just instill

704
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: in in someone new like me. I guess I think

705
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: he saw a lot of himself and the place I

706
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: was in, and when he started telling me the story

707
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: of him. I'm really trying to make this short. I'm sorry,

708
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: but he when he first came to Nashville, he had

709
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: built this was a story he's telling me. He's he

710
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: had built a following, he had these songs, you know,

711
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: but he still needed that like first initial like champion

712
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: to believe in him, or sign him, or give him

713
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: a publishing deal or a record deal so that he

714
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: could have money to just solely do music. It's that

715
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: jump first jump where you're like, I don't want to

716
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: work at a bar anymore. I don't want to do

717
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: this odd job thing. I just want to play music

718
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: and be able to get to the next step, and

719
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: no one would take a shot on him. And that

720
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: happens to so many people in this town. It's crazy. Um.

721
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: But there was a guy named Brian Williams in town

722
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: and he was a banker, and um, he's since passed away.

723
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: I never got to meet him, unfortunately, but I know

724
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: a lot of people that, um that didn't know him.

725
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: And he was a great man, and he was known

726
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: for believing in people that he saw something in that

727
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: maybe no one else was ready to take a shot

728
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: on yet. And I guess Tim knew that and came

729
00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: to Brian at the bank and I was like, man,

730
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: I got these songs. I have this work ethic, I

731
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: have this touring following. I have this crappy old truck

732
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: I can trade you. It's not worth much, but if

733
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: you give me this thirty six thousand dollars I need

734
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: to get this next record out or whatever it is, like,

735
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: promise I'll pay you back. And I'm just sitting here

736
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: like I walk around with mysticism everywhere I go looking

737
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: for a song, you know, And I'm just like this

738
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: is like falling in my lap, and just like, have

739
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: you written that song, you know, it's like your story.

740
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: And he's like he kind of like shoved it off

741
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: a little bit, not like not like rude or anything.

742
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: He's like, no, I haven't written it, you know, And

743
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: I just couldn't stop thinking about it and how much

744
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: I saw my story in his story, because like I said,

745
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: I've driven a truck from my whole life and I

746
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: drove a truck from California to Nashville, and um, I

747
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: actually still have it. I didn't I didn't have to

748
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: trade it in like he did or anything, but I

749
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: just related to it and I started strumming it in

750
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: the dressing room during the changeover, and by the end

751
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: of the night in the back of the bus, I'd

752
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: finished it, you know. And um, I don't know. It's

753
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: not every day that you get a song. It is

754
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: a real story that you get to be the interpreter for.

755
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: Like we're always trying to have a title and come

756
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: up with a story or make up something that sounds cool.

757
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: And it's not every day that you get to write

758
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: something that's completely true and honest and organic of how

759
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: it got to you. And that was something, Um, I mean,

760
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: it doesn't really happen. It hasn't really happened since, you know,

761
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: And so I'm glad that I was there to hear

762
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: the story and be a vessel for that and then

763
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: interpret in my way. And I ended up doing like

764
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: a little bust demo with my band and given it

765
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: to him as like a end of tour gift, like

766
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: what do you buy Tim McGraw he has an island, Like,

767
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: I'm not going to buy him anything, like I'll but

768
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: I can write him a song that means something, you know,

769
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: and say thanks for inspiring me, and um, I think

770
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: hopefully I was trying to get him to record it.

771
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: Maybe it was my ultimate goal, but in in that

772
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 1: I tricked myself and defining a song that was really

773
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: about my story too. And we started putting it on

774
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 1: our set just to kind of play some new songs,

775
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: and it became like from my fans, the first new

776
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: song that they had heard since dark Horse, and they

777
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: posted it online and all that, and it just felt

778
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: like the first this is the first track we put

779
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: out on the Pink slippyp and it felt like just

780
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: the first thing to say, it had heart. It was

781
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: a country song if you just want to hear it

782
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 1: for for a truck song. It's there for you for that.

783
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: But if you want to dig deeper and you want

784
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: to you want more from it, it's there for that too,

785
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: you know. You know I watched you talk. You talk

786
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: like me with your hands a lot, but I see

787
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: your wedding band and now I'm in the process. I'm

788
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: getta married this summer. Is that a rubber What is that?

789
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: It's a cheap tungsten ring? Okay, what is the reasoning

790
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: behind a cheap tungsten ring for you? Well, I just

791
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: didn't want anything crazy, like. I didn't want some black

792
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna wear a black band, you know me,

793
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so I didn't want

794
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: some black diamond like thing that I was gonna play

795
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 1: guitar on and scratch and go on the road and

796
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: all that. And so, um, tungsten is it's not it's

797
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: not died, so it's not gonna like fade and it's

798
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: not gonna rub off like this is what it. This

799
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: is the color of it, you know. So that was

800
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 1: important to me. Um, But just I didn't need anything

801
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: crazy like it's more about this is cheesy as heck,

802
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: but it's more about you know what it represents for

803
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: me and all that, and I'll spend my money on

804
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: her ring, you know what I mean? How is what

805
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: do you you're getting? In twenty nine October. That's been

806
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: about a year and a half now. So what have

807
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 1: you learned in a year and a half about marriage

808
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: that you didn't know a year and a half ago? Um? Man,

809
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: that's a that's a hard question. Um. I think I

810
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: learned how to I think I learned how to listen

811
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: a little bit better. Um. I'm definitely very like just

812
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: like anyone else. I don't I don't like to be wrong. Um.

813
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: And it's not that I'm just gonna say I'm wrong

814
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 1: if if I don't think I'm wrong, just to finish

815
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 1: the argument or whatever. But um, I think I learned

816
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: how to take turns talking, you know what I mean,

817
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: rather than just firing back what your initial thought is.

818
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: I hate it. But you're also good at listening, because

819
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: you just let me tell a five minute story about

820
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: listen when you're you're you're. But I think I'm not

821
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: a yeller like Leah. I love her to death, and

822
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 1: she'll tell you the same thing. She's got a little

823
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,439
Speaker 1: bit of a temper, you know, what I mean, she's

824
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: she's gotta she pops off real quick. And so I

825
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: think for me, I were the perfect match because I'm

826
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: just gonna calmly let you do your thing, and then

827
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you how I feel. Um, And I

828
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: think just taking turns and not just hearing this is

829
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 1: so cheesy and so like um counseling, you know, marriage counselor,

830
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: but like not just not just hearing, but listening to

831
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: what they're saying and then taking it in and then

832
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: replying and just trying to hear from somebody else's point

833
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: of view. You know, so much of our relationship was

834
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,959
Speaker 1: based on me being gone more than half the time,

835
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: and now we've been at home for about a year

836
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: over a year, and it was almost like not that

837
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: I ever had any doubts, but it was really affirming

838
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: to know, like, Okay, I made the right decision, Like

839
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: we are so good. It's been such a great first

840
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: year of marriage. And um. One thing that people don't

841
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, yeah, I want to love you

842
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: for the rest of my life. But when you get married,

843
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: you tell someone like we're gonna literally hang out forever,

844
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: like you're my best friend, sort of thing. But it's

845
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: not even just that. It's like even just standing in

846
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: a room and saying nothing, you know what I mean,

847
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: Like it's comfy. That's just you've got to find that

848
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: person that you can just say nothing with. And it

849
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 1: doesn't it doesn't matter if that makes sense. You know,

850
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: are you a happier person now than you were two

851
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: years ago? Oh? My god? Oh not even not even question. Huh, yeah, dude.

852
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: And I think it's been kind of hard because, like

853
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: I'm not used to that, and I think creatively trying

854
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: to make sense of that is kind of what this

855
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: EP is. Not to point it back to that, but

856
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: you know, it's a little bit it's a little bit

857
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: more hopeful. It's a little bit more brighter, um, which

858
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: is not something that I usually gravitate towards. Musically, Um,

859
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 1: of course there were sad songs. Of course there were ballads,

860
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: and we can get into why they aren't any on

861
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: that yet. But um, I think it is difficult for

862
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: me to try to figure out how to be inspired.

863
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,479
Speaker 1: I used to write love songs about where I wanted

864
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: to be, you know what I mean, And now I

865
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: write them about where I am and I need to

866
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: when I to write a heartbreak song, I have to

867
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 1: channel some different kind of heartbreak, whether it's not She's

868
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: not going to break my heart, but maybe maybe a

869
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: song didn't go the way I wanted it, or maybe

870
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: something happens with work, or maybe it's family, or maybe

871
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: it's the world or whatever, and then I kind of

872
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: channel that into a love song in a way. So

873
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: it's my my shifts have changed, um and without a doubt, like,

874
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: and it's not just Leah like that's a huge part

875
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: of it, you know. But I've seen the world, I've

876
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: had a little success, I have a house, i have

877
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: two dogs. You know, I've had time at home to

878
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 1: rest and reflect and not feel bad about it. And um,

879
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm in a good place, dude. It's interesting

880
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: that you mentioned you have to find new ways to

881
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: interpret and write. You know. When I was going to

882
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: my therapist, I was like, hey, m I'm not lonely

883
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: and sad anymore. So I'm not creating the same way

884
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: and I'm scared that's gonna hurt if I'm writing, um,

885
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: you know, a book or jokes, because you write you right,

886
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 1: cut a bit different than than you write healthy. Correct.

887
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: I felt that way about me, and I was like,

888
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna be the same, and she

889
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: was like, it's not gonna be the same, but you've

890
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: got to find a way to highlight that it's different,

891
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: but you're also good at it, So figure out how

892
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: to make that. Recognize that that's different, but use that

893
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: the same way you were using this, and that My

894
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: biggest problem has been now that I'm not so miserable,

895
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: and actually I'm the happiest I've ever been to But

896
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: now that I'm not so miserable, I also just don't

897
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: have the time to create as much because mostly I

898
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: would just be a lonely and miserable and I'd be like,

899
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: what else am I going to write something up? Now

900
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, We're just gonna watch TV

901
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: shows are great and so just be and exist. And

902
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: it's I'm much healthier and happier. I do create differently,

903
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: but I'm still trying to dial in how to do

904
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,720
Speaker 1: it right. Yeah, me too, I honestly am I haven't.

905
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: It's interesting for me because I will always be that

906
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: dark horse guy. I'll always be that outlier in this

907
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: genre because that's just what I do. Um, But I

908
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: will also be that guy that wants to be grounded

909
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: in vulnerability and introspectiveness, if that's a word, And like,

910
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: I will still sing heartbreak songs for the rest of

911
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: my life because that's what got me into music in

912
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: the first place. And that's just the character I like

913
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: to play when I'm singing, you know. Like my first

914
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: hit was was a love song, you know what I mean.

915
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: But like people will know me for that the chances

916
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: I take on the darker side of things, you know,

917
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: and that's not going to go anywhere. But I definitely

918
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 1: did need to put out some music that was like, yo,

919
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: like I'm pretty happy right now, and like it's almost

920
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: like survivors guilt in a way, you know what I mean.

921
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: It's like all these fans that I've made, you know,

922
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: from being the dark horse, It's like, hey, like I

923
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: want to inspire you because I have one foot in

924
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: the door now. I'm not saying I'm good, I'm just

925
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: saying I've come a long way and I'm holding the

926
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: door open for you. I want to turn around and

927
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 1: be like yo, like inspire and keep hopeful. And that's

928
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: kind of just what I'm trying to put for in

929
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: the feeling of this ep you know, and I love that.

930
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: And now I'm just want more analogy that I'll make

931
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: because it's it's not often for me that I talk

932
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: to somebody who has sperience to growth and continues to

933
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: produce and create while acknowledging the growth. Right for me,

934
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: I was always the guy who represented a lot of

935
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: folks who grew up with nothing. I lived below poverty

936
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: in my whole life struggle, had no help ever everything.

937
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: I don't live like that anymore. I am now quite successful.

938
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: I'll never not be that guy, right, and I will

939
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: always Now. I see my job as to go, hey,

940
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 1: if you want to get out of that hole, let

941
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: me tell you what I did that helped me. And

942
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: so that has been Wow, That's that's exactly what I

943
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 1: was trying to say. The growth in me has been.

944
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 1: I'm not the same guy. I'm the same guy, but

945
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: I have grown since then. And let me show you

946
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: why you don't have to do it, but let me

947
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: show you that it's possible. And I'm still that and

948
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: I'm still representing you, and I know what it's like.

949
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,479
Speaker 1: But you know, for you to say that, I go, oh, crap,

950
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: I kind of felt that, you know, you have someone

951
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: writes a song and you go, oh crap. I kind

952
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: of felt that, didn't really, but that's when you when

953
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: you said that slightly different, but you know that's who

954
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: I was still am. But I also grown through that

955
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,439
Speaker 1: a bit, and I'm like, you can do it too well.

956
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: People to follow us, People follow us or listen to us,

957
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: or buy our music or whatever, because they want to

958
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: know about our life, like you know, whether you like

959
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 1: it or not. As an artist, you know your job

960
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: is to put your life on display. You know, you

961
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: have control over what you want to put out, but

962
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: at the same time, you also have a kind of

963
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: an obligation to yourself to just tell the truth, you know. Um.

964
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: And so I did struggle a little bit with like

965
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 1: I didn't want it to seem like, all right, I'm good,

966
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 1: you'll have fun, like you know what I mean, because

967
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:36,720
Speaker 1: I'm not fully there. I don't know if I'll ever arrived,

968
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 1: But I just wanted to make sure that people knew

969
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,919
Speaker 1: I was still like, I'll always be a dark horse.

970
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: You'll always be that kid that didn't have anything growing up,

971
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: and that's just in your in your foundation. And I

972
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: think that's why you relate to those same people and

973
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: the way I still relate to people that might be

974
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: going through something, you know. Um, and I'm sure there's

975
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: another day that I'll be pretty sad again, you know.

976
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 1: And I know, I don't know. I was like laughing

977
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: about like on Lenin and Yoko and like all the

978
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 1: good songs before Yoko came along, and I'm like, no,

979
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna find a way or it's just like

980
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: those people that like have addictions to alcohol or drugs

981
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 1: and their creators and then they get clean and they

982
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: feel like they can't write the same song again. It's

983
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: like we you can. It's not like it it wasn't

984
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: in you. It's just that you lost that like it

985
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: killed the editor in your brain that was like you

986
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: shouldn't say this, or you should whatever it's like, And

987
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: that's what you need to do. For me, is just

988
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: like getting into that flow state being one myself and

989
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 1: then just existing and that's where genius comes from, without

990
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: that person in your head being like I don't say that,

991
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: or that's too dumb or that's never gonna work. Just

992
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: just do it and and figure it out afterwards. If

993
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: it's not good to go to the next one, you

994
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:47,760
Speaker 1: know here is not on my watch when you count

995
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: be hard, back them back, cash it, I'm a come

996
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: up a night. You lit up a little bit when

997
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: came on. Not they don't light up for all of them,

998
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: but this one was like, what's over this song? This

999
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: is like the distract to the devil on my shoulder.

1000
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: That's the best way I can describe it. It's like

1001
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 1: it's exactly what I was just talking about, which is

1002
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 1: why it was such a good segue. Um. But it's

1003
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,399
Speaker 1: like that person in your mind that tells you you're

1004
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: not good enough, or maybe it's an actual person, you

1005
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Maybe it's not just that person

1006
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: in your head. It says, you know, hold off, hold on,

1007
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 1: and like back off, like do you know at the

1008
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: end of the chorus, there's like this section that I

1009
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: don't really sing, and it's it's these these things that

1010
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: people try to tell you to hold you back. And

1011
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: it's like, to me, it was twelve things, and I

1012
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: saw it like on an image of a clock. I

1013
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: saw like instead of a one and a two, it

1014
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: was hold on, hold off, back up, fall down that,

1015
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: and it was twelve of these things. And to me,

1016
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: I was like the double entendre of like, yo, I

1017
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: don't know about you, but that's not on my watch.

1018
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: I don't have give up on my watch, you know

1019
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 1: what I mean. But also I'm not gonna let myself

1020
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: give up like not on my watch, you know what

1021
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: I mean. And so it's really this kind of introspective

1022
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: personal song about just just going and doing it and

1023
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: knowing that their struggles. And there's a line in the

1024
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: second verse about like I'm walking on a type you know,

1025
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: I might be walking on a tight rope, but that's

1026
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 1: just the way I thrive though. It's like those moments

1027
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: where your backs against the wall and maybe you are

1028
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: heartbroken and that like we overcome that and we turn

1029
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: it into fuel. Um, and it's just I don't know.

1030
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: The song makes me smile because I wanted to like

1031
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: freak people out in a way. It's different. I mean,

1032
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,240
Speaker 1: I needed a song on this batch that was like wow,

1033
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, because I feel like

1034
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: I have that license in this in this town and

1035
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,240
Speaker 1: in this genre to do something that no one's ever heard,

1036
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: and to do that every day is really hard, you

1037
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But when you finally find it

1038
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: and it's honest to what you're going through. Um, I

1039
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,879
Speaker 1: don't care what anyone says. This was like I'm doing

1040
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: this song like I don't care if it's a single.

1041
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: I know it's not gonna work on country radio probably

1042
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But like this is also

1043
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: indicative of just the footprint I want to put on

1044
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: the moon of Nashville, and like, this is my This

1045
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 1: is just my way to be daring and and create.

1046
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: Keep keep using that license that I've that I've had

1047
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: since dark Horse came out, if that makes sense whatever

1048
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: forever is down. But that is fault in. Um Me,

1049
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: it's a love song. Yeah, it's like tricking. It's like

1050
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 1: tricking people into a marriage song without it being like

1051
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: a six eight like Waltz. You know what I mean.

1052
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,760
Speaker 1: When you you write this, you go hey, how early

1053
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: do you go to you know, your your wife and go, hey,

1054
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: I wrote this this is about you inspired by you.

1055
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 1: You know, we don't like we don't share like a

1056
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 1: whole lot, Like we're not closed off when it comes

1057
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: to music. And I actually that was one of my

1058
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: things I really wanted to be better at this year.

1059
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: Like every time I turn a song into my publisher.

1060
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: I want to put her on CC and like so

1061
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:57,919
Speaker 1: I want her to hear the song, like I'll share

1062
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: songs with her. Um. But for those who you that

1063
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: are listening, my wife Lee is also an incredible pop artist, writer,

1064
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: R and b raps. She's just such a badass. And

1065
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: we kind of live in different worlds a little bit,

1066
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 1: but they overlap obviously, like I kind of have an

1067
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 1: eclectic thing. But um, I don't know, like we don't

1068
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: like we share songs, but it's not like every day

1069
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: before we go to bed at night, it's like, hey, baby,

1070
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: can I play this demo? But what if it's specifically

1071
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: inspired or written about her? Does that make it different?

1072
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: It should? Yeah, it should. I'm learning things here about it. Okay,

1073
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: I told you I'm not there yet, but I'm getting there.

1074
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: He loved her, and give his word, he lives sonically

1075
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: the juxtaposition between those two songs, and I'm assuming very

1076
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: purposefully very different. YEA one is very like not electronic,

1077
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: but it's very tight and everything is like kind of swimmy,

1078
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: and this one's just a live take, you know, kind

1079
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: of like All on Me was just a live take.

1080
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: Turn us up a little bit more like up on

1081
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 1: a Friday nights, know me, well, raise a glass and

1082
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: tip it back and see you live. It's not back

1083
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 1: and track six who's gonna hold you? But everything else.

1084
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: So my question would be, is there you know another

1085
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: six coming out that are all extremely slow and vulnerable.

1086
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: It's like the opposite. Man, I really hope so um again,

1087
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: just to be completely candid with you on like I

1088
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: always try to be. Um. You know, we went in

1089
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: at the beginning of this year to record, and we

1090
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: did these songs and we were gonna do more, and

1091
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: then COVID hit and I worked with a guy named

1092
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 1: j Joyce and I talked about him earlier, but he's

1093
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 1: fifty years old, he's been smoking for thirty years, and

1094
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: he has diabetes and there's no way I'm gonna get

1095
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: into the studio, you know what I mean, until when

1096
00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, And so um, it was

1097
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: partly that. It was also partly that I just working

1098
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: through his creative process is just really hard. Um. He's

1099
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: very He's a buy himself guy. Like we'll cut it

1100
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 1: the day of live and then he'll take it away

1101
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 1: for a month and I won't hear it. And then

1102
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 1: when it gets back to me. Sometimes it's what I've expected,

1103
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: and sometimes it's completely different, and it's really hard for

1104
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: me to like let go of that control. I think

1105
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: it can be healthy sometimes. Um, but I also am

1106
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: an artist that knows exactly what I want and I

1107
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 1: know how to how to say that, you know, And

1108
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: so it was kind of hard this time working with him,

1109
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: harder than before, and so I had to overcome that challenge.

1110
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: And I do, I doly like fully believe that we

1111
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: did get there on these songs, you know what I mean.

1112
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: But the other ones that we had started that we

1113
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: didn't even get a chance to finish. Um, it was

1114
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: probably for a good reason. And and the other side

1115
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: of that is that I didn't want to wait any

1116
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: longer to put out new music. I don't care if

1117
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: the ballad that I wanted to be a single didn't

1118
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: get recorded yet, or this one was this one could

1119
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 1: be a single or whatever. Like I wanted to showcase

1120
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: that slower, darker side that I was talking about. We

1121
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 1: just hadn't done it yet. And so more important than

1122
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: that to me, even though it might send a little counterintuitive,

1123
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: was just getting new music out to my fans. It's

1124
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: been so long since dark Horse, dude, you know, and

1125
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: so I didn't want to wait till the end of

1126
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: a pandemic whenever that's going to be, to finish an

1127
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: album or whatever. And so we had these six songs

1128
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: done and then they felt they started feeling like a

1129
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 1: thing together after we mixed him, and then the you know,

1130
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: the pink slip the title came and it kind of

1131
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 1: all just felt like a bundle that I just wanted

1132
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: to let fly, you know, if that makes sense. I

1133
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: saw Ben Rector and your range Over video, how do

1134
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 1: you know been? Um I chased Ben down, dude. I

1135
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: was a fan for a long time, and um, I

1136
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: like finally had a couple of like successes under my

1137
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: songwriting belt, and I was like, yo, I want to

1138
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: write with Ben Rector and I just had a feeling.

1139
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: But we wrote range Over together. Oh see, I didn't

1140
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,399
Speaker 1: know that. So we wrote that song together. Makes sense

1141
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: why he would agree to be other video? Yeah, Well,

1142
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: I wanted him to have a little cameo. And um,

1143
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 1: I believe that he's going to do his own version

1144
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: on his next WOEM. I know he's recorded it. We'll

1145
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: see if it comes out. Like I said, I don't

1146
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: get excited until it's on the until it's on the list.

1147
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: But um, him and I both have a need to,

1148
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: like I said, reinvent the wheels, say something big, indifferent,

1149
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: but do it in a relatable, um digestible way, you know.

1150
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:22,720
Speaker 1: And range Rover is a very left handed idea about

1151
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: a guy who realizes that the girl he's with is

1152
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 1: not who he wants to be with forever. And he's

1153
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: looking for the girl that wants to ride in the

1154
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 1: truck and she was looking for the range Rover, you know.

1155
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: And I don't think I would have been able to

1156
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: go there and just get crazy and just throw it

1157
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: out on the table with anyone. But ben Um. Also,

1158
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: I'm not like the best at like cheeky stuff and

1159
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: comedy videos and stuff, you know what I mean, Like

1160
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: I kind of take myself a Lucius Like I'm a

1161
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: funny guy. I can tell jokes. But without him in

1162
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 1: that video it would not have been the same without

1163
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: his like little comedic timing and the things that he

1164
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 1: does and that he's so good at that dry humor. Um,

1165
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,439
Speaker 1: and so he just he made it. If you guys

1166
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: haven't seen it yet, he's got a big old must

1167
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: dash and he's the realtor that of the house. He's

1168
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: just I love Ben. He's We've become really close and

1169
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 1: he's an incredible artist. The pink slips out today when

1170
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: this air is not actually today when recording this, but

1171
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: today as it airs. If you when you're hearing our voices,

1172
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: it is out Devin Dawson at Z Devon, I'll mention

1173
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: this quickly. You did break your Instagram role of only

1174
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: black and white? Is that new new Devon? Uh, it's

1175
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 1: it's partly part of me. Um. I really felt like

1176
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: and again being completely honest, I started to feel like

1177
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 1: I was like trapped in this like black and white

1178
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: thing where I was like, I have to do this,

1179
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: you know. Um. But I also didn't want it to

1180
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: be this huge moment of like an Awards show when

1181
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 1: I don't wear black or the day I just had

1182
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:43,879
Speaker 1: all this build up, you know, And I was being

1183
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: honest with myself and then you know, but I think

1184
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,399
Speaker 1: as much of my brand is the black and white,

1185
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: and I will always you know, black will always be

1186
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: the star in my wardrobe. Um, it was part of

1187
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: my brand. Also is is my songwriting and in my

1188
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: my ability to serve those songs and when I came

1189
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: to Angel where we did the video and color as well,

1190
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: which is where that kind of came from. But I

1191
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: didn't There's no way I can see a range Rover

1192
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 1: video in black and white. It's not moody, it's not dark,

1193
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: it's not like vulnerable. It's upbeat and it's heavy and

1194
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: it's cheeky, and it needed to be in color. And

1195
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: so it was more about serving that song than like

1196
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: staying stuck into this thing that I promised myself I

1197
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: would do, you know what I mean, Like, I'm still

1198
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: gonna do it a lot because I love the way

1199
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: it looks. But it's pretty freeing now that I just

1200
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: do whatever I want. You know, Well, it's great. People

1201
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: can't see us right now, but uh, Devon's in a

1202
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: pink money outfit. He really went hard and even I

1203
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 1: was surprised. Man too. Yeah, pink slip. You know you

1204
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: gotta gotta keep the branding. Gotta keep the branding out.

1205
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,399
Speaker 1: You guys, check it out. It's out today. If you're

1206
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: already fan, congratulations, you got more of you heard this,

1207
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 1: Maybe go be a new fan z. Devon congratulations, Thank you, Bobby,

1208
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: you two dude. Good to see him too. There is

1209
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: as usual when we talked about a music topic, Eddie

1210
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: comes in because he's a massive music fan also coached

1211
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 1: to this or Losers podcast. Eddie, how are you? I'm

1212
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 1: good man. Thanks for Yeah. We're talking about and we've

1213
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: mentioned this in smaller capacities here on this podcast, but

1214
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: hit songs that musicians, once they've become massive, don't want

1215
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: play them anymore. And and again we've we've referenced Radiohead, right,

1216
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 1: they don't play Creep. They don't play Creep. It became

1217
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 1: such a big hit they got tired of it. They

1218
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: were like, this doesn't really stand for what we do now.

1219
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: And it also bothered them that fans would wait for

1220
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: them to play it then leave. Oh yeah, but but

1221
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: but I think most artists know that. So that's why

1222
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: they don't play it until the very end, you know.

1223
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: And I think the artists also know that this that

1224
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: I understand why it's hard for them to do this.

1225
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 1: I get it. It's tiresome. They're over the song. But

1226
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 1: us as the consumer, that's what we need and that's

1227
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: why we like you, especially new fans like the song

1228
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 1: was a radio hit. You don't they don't have a

1229
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: lot of mainstream radio. And they have massive songs in

1230
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: the alternative world, and they have a huge, huge fan base,

1231
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: and they don't care if any of those were on

1232
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: the radio. But this one, that's how we all kind

1233
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: of heard of you the first time. Look, yeah, I

1234
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 1: love this. I haven't been upset. They started to play

1235
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 1: it again later a little bit. They don't play it much.

1236
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: I saw them I don't know, maybe ten years ago

1237
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: or something, and I think they didn't play it like

1238
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: I don't really remember, but I don't remember hearing this,

1239
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: remember being a big news story when they played it

1240
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: again maybe once, or they put it in Let's do Nirvana.

1241
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: This song was so successful it went against their counterculture reputation.

1242
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: It was the one that launched them, which is smells

1243
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: like team spirit. And so they for a while stopped

1244
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: playing it, and they came back around to it because

1245
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: I think eventually, you go, I don't want people to

1246
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: have to come pay money and then not get what

1247
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 1: they came for. But and I remember hearing Kurt Cobain

1248
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: talk about never Mind after it was made, because the

1249
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: guy who produced never Mind is one of the ones

1250
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: from Garbage. You may looked this up. Yeah, who's in Garbage, right, yeah, yeah,

1251
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,439
Speaker 1: so he produced their debut album but with all well

1252
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 1: not debut, no, because they had Bleach, they had oh

1253
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: before never Mind. Yeah, I didn't know that, but major

1254
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: label probably debut and I remember it was just too

1255
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: many instruments. It's too slick afterwards, even after all the

1256
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: success that they had. Interested had nice job with the

1257
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: butch big reference there, and thanks for the pre the

1258
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: pre albums. I didn't know Bleach. I didn't. I thought

1259
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: Bleach came later. No, you may, you may look that up.

1260
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to be wrong about something that I

1261
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: feel like I know a lot about you. Never Mind

1262
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: was ninety one. I bet Bleach had to be nice.

1263
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're a fan, So that's why I

1264
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: don't want to be wrong about it. Have the Food

1265
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 1: Fighters ever covered this? I don't know, if never. I've

1266
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: pay and consume like maybe like on you, I don't know.

1267
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: Just like it shows, I've always wondered if Food Fighters

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Speaker 1: cover Nirvana. You gotta think Devil gets tired of answering

1269
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 1: Nirvana questions because the Food Fighters have had so much

1270
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: more sustained success than Nirvana ever did on a massive level.

1271
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: But Nirvana changed music. Yes, And we can't help the

1272
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: fact that Nirvana that Food Fighters was really a big

1273
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 1: part of Nirvana because you have Dave Girl and then

1274
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: you have Pat Smear who was the fourth member of Nirvana,

1275
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: the unknown fourth member of Nirvana, you know, like, and

1276
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: he's part of Food Fighters. I feel like there's that's

1277
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: so important too for everyone to know that they spawned

1278
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: from the big famous Nirvana and they were making He

1279
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: was making Food Fighters by himself, doing all the instruments

1280
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 1: while Nirvana was still happening. He was also maybe the

1281
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: sixth drummer or seventh drummer in Nirvana. It wasn't Oh,

1282
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: I didn't know that really. Yeah, do you ever do

1283
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: you see a cover of never Mind from Food Yeah?

1284
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 1: I wouldn't think that they would feel like the crowd

1285
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: would loose. They would. They absolutely would, Yeah, they would. Um.

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00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: How about the Beastie Boys. Now, I remember watching this

1287
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: in documentary Love the Beastie Boys. They did five fear

1288
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: Right to Party as a way to sat arise frat

1289
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 1: boy like jot culture. But people made it a party

1290
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: anthem like took it the same way that people took

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01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: Bruce Springsteen born in the USA. They took it over

1292
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: like this song about America, but Bruce Prinstein wrote it

1293
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: to be like protest, Hey, this is not this is

1294
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: some not good things about being born in the USA.

1295
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 1: So the Beastie Boys, they would see all other people

1296
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: like celebrating because of the song, and it's like, that's

1297
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: not what we wrote it. We wrote to kind of

1298
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 1: make fun of him. Wow. Uh. One of my friends,

1299
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 1: whose name is Ben, does the character Wheeler Walker, and

1300
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 1: I think he'd be okay to me saying this. He

1301
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:36,439
Speaker 1: started to see people at shows thinking we was real

1302
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: and correct and they were there to celebrate him. He

1303
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: was like, no, no no, no, this as a joke, and

1304
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: so we stopped doing it. I mean, I gotta tell

1305
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: you a lot of us consumers, man, we really don't

1306
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: even know the difference. Sometimes we don't even want to

1307
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: know the difference. We do that with actors all the time.

1308
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: George Costanza, you think he gets tired of being George Constanza.

1309
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. We had him on. He's pretty The

1310
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 1: food fighters were talking about him earlier. Big Me. The

1311
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: video was a Mentos commercial parody. It was hilarious. I

1312
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: think this is probably their first hit because I remember

1313
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: it and I was like, oh, Dave girl had kind

1314
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 1: of the long the weird face and long hair, and

1315
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 1: they were funny. And but what happened was that shows

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01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 1: it wasn't. They didn't like playing the song. People would

1317
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 1: throw mentos at him. They were gonna pelt it with mentos.

1318
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: So they stopped playing the dank song and didn't want

1319
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: get hit by stuff. Stairway to Heaven, which is the

1320
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 1: led Zeppelin's song, their biggest song, of the biggest songs,

1321
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 1: and you know rock and roll history, also a very

1322
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 1: long song. Yeah, I had to do a lot I

1323
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 1: had to do with it. This and Freebird too long.

1324
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 1: But you could also take a break, right like Robert

1325
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:43,959
Speaker 1: Plant could walk down and have a drink, kept smoke.

1326
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: They just play a guitar part. Yeah, but then the

1327
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: drummers like, you do, what the hell like? Come back?

1328
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 1: I'm tired. He was always kind of stubborn about prioritizing

1329
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 1: his solo material after led Zeppelin broke up, so they

1330
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 1: never wanted to play it as a man. They played it,

1331
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: but he just was not you know, he started playing

1332
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: it a little bit Shad O'Connor. Nothing Compares to You,

1333
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: which is really her only big smatch, that's awesome. She

1334
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 1: dropped it from her sep because she felt she could

1335
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 1: no longer personally identify with it, so she said if

1336
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 1: she did perform it, she'd be lying that's the artist

1337
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 1: in her Yeah. Fun fact that song was written by

1338
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: and performed by Befotunate O'Connor. Nothing compares to Ude Bowie. Oh,

1339
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 1: I feel like you're gonna say it and be likely.

1340
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: He put it on a record, boy, George Prince, Prince,

1341
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 1: this is his person. She's been gone, I can do

1342
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 1: and it's great. It's a princess version obviously great Sticks.

1343
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 1: Mr Roboto, the song on the album created a huge

1344
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 1: rip in the band. Really yeah, it was his concept.

1345
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 1: The remaining members ditched it and they fought and it

1346
01:02:56,320 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 1: was basically around this song. And this a couple of

1347
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 1: fun stories. I saw the singer of Sticks at home

1348
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 1: depot two years ago. That's pretty totally active, like he

1349
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 1: didn't want to be there. He was with his wife,

1350
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 1: I think. And how did you recognize the singer of Sticks,

1351
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: Dennis DeYoung? I know what he looks like and I

1352
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 1: saw him and I was like, holy crap, that's him.

1353
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 1: And then you know when you see someone famous. What

1354
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:17,439
Speaker 1: do you do? You google him just to make sure

1355
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 1: and you're like, yeah, that's him. And then the second

1356
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 1: fun fact is when I was a kid, I used

1357
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 1: to turn the fan on, you know, like the little

1358
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 1: fan that sits on the table, and sing right in

1359
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 1: front of him and go, ain't got all the time?

1360
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 1: That funny Bobby McFerrin and don't worry, be happy. We

1361
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 1: talked about this one a lot and I don't I

1362
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: don't get it is your only one. Ironically, it no

1363
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 1: longer made him happy. Oh yeah, I imagine that it

1364
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 1: was a novelty song. Again, man, not for you, that's

1365
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: for us. It makes us very happy. I got tired

1366
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 1: of singing it. R e M. What do you think

1367
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: their song is? How would they have a ton of

1368
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 1: massive hits? Right? I would guess end of the world. O.

1369
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: Good song, Not it though, but good song. That's a

1370
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 1: good guest too, because it's kind of kind of catch

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01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 1: you a little bit. Yeah, uh no. Losing my religion

1372
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 1: next would be terrible. I went to an Orim show once.

1373
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: Didn't play a single hit. They just played the whole

1374
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 1: new record, so all of these and they don't play anymore.

1375
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:26,439
Speaker 1: But he said before, oh, never mind there it is. Wait,

1376
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 1: that's no, this is not the right song. Mike's playing.

1377
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 1: This is Phil rights that. Um, I'll tell you this.

1378
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 1: He said the song had limited appeal Michael Stipe did.

1379
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 1: There was a co singer on it from another famous band.

1380
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: It's not your favorite song, is it? No? Everybody hurts,

1381
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 1: Everybody hurts, not this one. This is so good. There

1382
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 1: was a there was a girl who was singing with

1383
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 1: the girl. I don't know who is it? What is it?

1384
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 1: This song was originally going to be the Friends theme song.

1385
01:04:53,880 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 1: Ohhh um, I can't think of it. Shiny happy and

1386
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 1: who's the girl from nice? I love the song, I

1387
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 1: love the video. Adele has a song and I'm not

1388
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 1: sure I know this song. But Adele has a song

1389
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 1: called My Same. The song is about one of Adele's

1390
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 1: friends that are falling out. So she dropped it from

1391
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 1: the set list. But that had been one of those songs.

1392
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, get a coat. We probably wouldn't

1393
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 1: even notice if it's gone. That's what I'm saying, Like,

1394
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 1: I want to get I don't know this one song,

1395
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 1: the rest Room, how she put it back in after

1396
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 1: the reconcile. I don't know that that's the only one

1397
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 1: of this wholess I didn't know. And then Prince, what

1398
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 1: song of Princess? Do you do? You think he got

1399
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 1: tired of playing purple rain? No? Oh, can you imagine

1400
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 1: when the Prince the little Red Corvette. I'll tell you this.

1401
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 1: At one point he goes that, Okay, this song I

1402
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 1: can't play anymore? Out of date? Oh hey, is it?

1403
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 1: Keep control? He decided listen to the clue again. He

1404
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 1: decided it was out of date. That's your clue. It

1405
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 1: was out of date. He did bring it back for

1406
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl halftime show in two thousand seven. But

1407
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 1: what show did Prince say? This is out of date?

1408
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 1: What song? I don't know? Okay, the last day he

1409
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 1: performed it was New Year's Day two thousand. It's the

1410
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 1: New Year's Day. What the song of Princess would be

1411
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 1: out of date? Oh my god, this is a trick point.

1412
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 1: What is it? Is it out of date? No? What song?

1413
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna feel so dumb we're performing it on New

1414
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 1: Year's Day two thousand. Listen New Year's Day two thousand. Yes, Oh,

1415
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 1: such an idiot. I was really trying to lay it out.

1416
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 1: That's pretty funny. Though he's just like, sorry, this ship

1417
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: has sailed no longer singing this long man. When did

1418
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 1: he die? What year was? I don't time to blur.

1419
01:06:53,960 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say two thousand. I'm guessing it was a

1420
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 1: good sixteen years at him saying I'm not doing this

1421
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 1: that when I missed this phenomenon, I feel like I

1422
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 1: remember my babysit a lot of my babysitters having Prince

1423
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 1: posters in their wall, but I never got into Prince

1424
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 1: because it was just a little for me too. I mean,

1425
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 1: it was always Michael Jackson versus Prince by the group

1426
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 1: slightly older than me, but I was very much of

1427
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson over Prince Guy. Now it's now that you

1428
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 1: see what Prince has done for other artists, absolutely or inspired,

1429
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:32,440
Speaker 1: or how they just say he was the best, like

1430
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 1: people that are really great, go oh, I'm not a

1431
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 1: guitar guitar player, Princess like he was a pretty guitar

1432
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 1: And so when you see the great saying that about

1433
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 1: somebody else, like man, I just wasn't educated enough to know.

1434
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 1: And I remember those friends with these guys in Austin

1435
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 1: called Group of Fantasma. Do you remember them? And I

1436
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 1: remember Prince was coming to play a show in Austin

1437
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 1: and he had reached out, I'm coming by myself. I

1438
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 1: just need a band, and I like you guys, so

1439
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 1: you guys step in and be my band for the night.

1440
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 1: And it was such an honor for these guys, like

1441
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, a local Austin band getting to be

1442
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 1: the backup band for Prince. But they after that night,

1443
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 1: they remained friends, and some of the members would go

1444
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 1: play other shows with him and they would be his

1445
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 1: backup band other places. But just by it, like like that,

1446
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 1: and a legend like Prince to say that, to give

1447
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 1: give a little band like that a chance and then say,

1448
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 1: I like you, Let's keep doing this. Pretty cool. Check

1449
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: out Eddie on a Sore Losers podcast. What you Got Yeah,

1450
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 1: Sore Losers podcast. Me Ray lunch Box, and we're talk

1451
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:26,679
Speaker 1: sports mainly. But I'm not like the smartest in sports,

1452
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 1: so it's not all sports. We talk about life. None

1453
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 1: of you are. I think lunch Box is pretty knowledgeable

1454
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,680
Speaker 1: at sports. The fact is, though he he lives in

1455
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 1: Breede sports that so much he thinks he knows everything

1456
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:39,840
Speaker 1: about it. So my job on the podcast is to

1457
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 1: just argue everything that he has to say, and I'm

1458
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 1: I'm willing to say he's probably right, but there is

1459
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 1: twenty percent where he's full of crap and I'll call

1460
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 1: him out on it. Interesting. Yeah, and then Ray just

1461
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 1: he's he's just Ray check out Sol losers. That's it,

1462
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:55,519
Speaker 1: Thank you very much