WEBVTT - What Next for the People of Iran?

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<v Speaker 1>Media. It's been more than a month since the US

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<v Speaker 1>in Israel began raining down bombs in Iran. We've covered

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<v Speaker 1>the weekly developments every week on Executive Disorder, but I

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<v Speaker 1>decided that it was high time made a full episode

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<v Speaker 1>to get people up to speed with the USA's Latst

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<v Speaker 1>aggression and the IDF opening up another front and its

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<v Speaker 1>multi front war against the people of the Middle East. Normally,

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<v Speaker 1>one would expect a major war with a major power

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<v Speaker 1>like this, which has fundamentally destabilized the region, a ground

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<v Speaker 1>world trade to a halt, caused massive inflation, to have

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of very clearly defined set of goals. That

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<v Speaker 1>is not the case here. We have seen various justifications,

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<v Speaker 1>but the most common one seems to be that Iran

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<v Speaker 1>is just weeks from creating a nuclear bomb. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a claim that specifically Benjaminett and Yahoo has been making

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<v Speaker 1>for almost the entire time I have been alive. Here

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<v Speaker 1>he is saying something similar a decade ago.

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<v Speaker 2>The foremost sponsor of global terrorism could be weeks away

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<v Speaker 2>from having enough and rich uranium for an entire arsenal

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<v Speaker 2>of nuclear weapons.

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<v Speaker 1>His claim was fanciful then, and it remains even more

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<v Speaker 1>so now after twenty twenty five, Operation Midnight Hammer saw

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<v Speaker 1>the USA and Israel attempt to bomb nuclear facilities. Indeed,

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<v Speaker 1>the White House itself publishes statement on the twenty fifth

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<v Speaker 1>of June following Operation Midnight Hammer, in which they quoted

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<v Speaker 1>the Israel Atomic Energy Commission saying, quote, we assessed that

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<v Speaker 1>the American strikes and around nuclear facilities, combined with the

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<v Speaker 1>Israeli strikes on other elements of Iran's military nuclear program,

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<v Speaker 1>has set back Iran's ability to develop nuclear weapons by

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<v Speaker 1>many years. The achievement can continue indefinitely if Iran does

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<v Speaker 1>not get access to nuclear material. It also include a

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<v Speaker 1>quotation from Pete Hegseth, as Secretary of Defense, saying quote,

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<v Speaker 1>based on everything we have seen, and I've seen it all,

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<v Speaker 1>our bombing campaign abliterated Iran's ability to create nuclear weapons

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<v Speaker 1>that was less a year ago. It seems unlikely that

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<v Speaker 1>they destroyed much or any of the uranium that was stockpiled,

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<v Speaker 1>but they certainly would have delayed plans to enrich that

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<v Speaker 1>uranium or to build into a bomb. Nonetheless, on the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eighth of February this year, a massive campaign of

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<v Speaker 1>air strikes, high mars Ber arches and ballistic mistile attacks

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<v Speaker 1>on Iran began under the codename Operation Epic Fury. The

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<v Speaker 1>acronym OEF will be familiar to many as the same

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<v Speaker 1>one used by the USA for more than a decade

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<v Speaker 1>of war in Afghanistan and other parts of the world

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<v Speaker 1>during what it called the Global War on Terror. On

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<v Speaker 1>the day I'm writing this, it's exactly twenty three years

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<v Speaker 1>since United States marines tore down the statue of Saddam

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<v Speaker 1>Hussein that stood outside the seventeenth of Ramada Mosque in

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<v Speaker 1>Ferdo Square in Baghdad, removed his regime from power. Since then,

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<v Speaker 1>for my entire adult life and much of my childhood,

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<v Speaker 1>the USA has been dropping bombs on the Middle East.

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<v Speaker 1>This month, the temper and ferocity of the aerial bombardment

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<v Speaker 1>took a step to a temper we haven't seen since

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps the peak of the Coalition war against the Islamic State,

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<v Speaker 1>or perhaps even the shock and or bombing campaign of

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<v Speaker 1>March two thousand and three. And I want to go

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<v Speaker 1>back to that campaign to explain exactly how we got

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<v Speaker 1>to this one. The chokan Or campaign was based on

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<v Speaker 1>a doctrine called rapid dominance that sought to establish a

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<v Speaker 1>post Cold War military ethos the United States. The theorist

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<v Speaker 1>behind it named Alman and Wade explicitly outlined that to

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<v Speaker 1>work the shock and or bombing campaign had to achieve

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<v Speaker 1>a level of national shock like that of the dropping

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<v Speaker 1>of the atomic bombs on Japan, and that power and

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<v Speaker 1>other civilian infrastructure might well be targeted. In an interview

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<v Speaker 1>in February two thousand and three, Olmand said, quote, what

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<v Speaker 1>we want to do is create in the mind of

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<v Speaker 1>the Iraqi leadership and their soldiers this shock and owe

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<v Speaker 1>so they're intimidated, made to feel so impotent, so helpless,

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<v Speaker 1>that they have no choice but to do what we

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<v Speaker 1>want them to do. So the smartest thing to say

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<v Speaker 1>is this is hopeless. We quit. The US attempted to

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<v Speaker 1>pummel their adversary so hard in two thousand and three

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<v Speaker 1>that it would demoralized troops and lead to a rapid

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<v Speaker 1>victory through the use and display of overwhelming force in

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<v Speaker 1>Iraq twenty three years ago. It sort of worked. The

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<v Speaker 1>regime crumbled in less than a month, the USA got

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<v Speaker 1>its quote unquote victory, and by the first of May

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<v Speaker 1>of that year, George W. Bush had landed on the USS.

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<v Speaker 1>Abraham Lincoln off San Diego and given a speech in

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<v Speaker 1>front of a large banner that read mission accomplished. Twenty

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<v Speaker 1>three years later, the Lincoln is in the Middle East

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<v Speaker 1>and bombs are once again raining down on Iran and Iraq,

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<v Speaker 1>while one way drones and missiles Iran slam into targets

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<v Speaker 1>all over the region. In Iraq, twenty three years later,

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<v Speaker 1>the United States embassy is once again being attacked, the

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<v Speaker 1>US journalist was kidnapped, and the State Department it's telling

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<v Speaker 1>citizens to avoid the region. The US bombing campaign in

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<v Speaker 1>Iran this year dwarfs to two thousand and three Shock

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<v Speaker 1>and All campaign, with the first day of Operation Epic

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<v Speaker 1>Fury being almost twice the scale of the two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and three bombardment. However, they do have several things in common.

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<v Speaker 1>Just like the bombardment of Iraq. Even twenty three years later,

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<v Speaker 1>the US and Israeli air war showed us that there

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<v Speaker 1>is no such thing as a precision bombing campaign on

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<v Speaker 1>this scale. On the very first day of the war,

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty eighth of February twenty twenty six, a missile

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<v Speaker 1>slammed into a girl's elementary school in Minab, then another,

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<v Speaker 1>and then another when the dust settled, more than one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and seventy five people have been killed, mostly schoolgirls

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<v Speaker 1>between the age of seven and twelve years old. The

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<v Speaker 1>school was located near an Iranian Revolutionary Guard base, but

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<v Speaker 1>the school building itself had not been part of a

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<v Speaker 1>military facility for a decade. And yet, despite targeting technology

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<v Speaker 1>that allowed three missiles to scream across a continent hit

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<v Speaker 1>a relatively small target in quick succession, apparently the US

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<v Speaker 1>military had not been able to ascertain, or did not

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<v Speaker 1>care to ascertain, that the result of their strike was

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<v Speaker 1>the death of as many as one hundred school children.

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<v Speaker 1>The fact that I am reporting this forty odd days

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<v Speaker 1>into the war suggests that despite an even larger scale

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<v Speaker 1>campaign than the USA deployed in two thousand and three,

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<v Speaker 1>despite the killing of little girls, the Iranian state has

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<v Speaker 1>not said this is hopeless, we quit as allman hoppy might.

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<v Speaker 1>Iran Supreme leader Ali Hamani was assassinated in initial attacks.

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<v Speaker 1>The power has since passed on to his son. Iran

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<v Speaker 1>remains very much in the fight despite the massive display

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<v Speaker 1>of force by the US and Israel. Instead of quitting

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<v Speaker 1>and giving up, they have been sending ballistic missiles and

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<v Speaker 1>one way drones into targets throughout the Gulf States, Israel,

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<v Speaker 1>and southern Kurdistan. This is in part because the United

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<v Speaker 1>States and Israel had no clear shared plan for this war.

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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand and three, the US aimed to remove

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<v Speaker 1>Saddam Pasin, and it did that. It made a massive

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<v Speaker 1>cock up of everything it did after that. But this

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<v Speaker 1>time we have two belligerent nations with very distinct goals

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<v Speaker 1>who share a common interest in bombing the people of Iran. Israel,

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<v Speaker 1>which by some accounts hit more targets in the USA

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<v Speaker 1>early on in the war, is fighting to totally cripple

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<v Speaker 1>the Iranian state in a no holds barred, no laws

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<v Speaker 1>of war respected, campaign that has seen it bomb factories,

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<v Speaker 1>oil infrastructure, most horrifically of all desalination plants. The goal

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<v Speaker 1>for Israel is to make it impossible for Iran to recover.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems, to leave the region mired in poverty and

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<v Speaker 1>resource constraint, and make sure that no Iranian state, be

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<v Speaker 1>it this one or a different one, can ever be

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<v Speaker 1>a threat to Israel. Again. It has assassinated many of

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<v Speaker 1>the figures who have the ability to negotiate for peace,

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<v Speaker 1>and the recenc use fire seems to be something that

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<v Speaker 1>Israel does not feel itself to be beholden to. For

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<v Speaker 1>the US, the goal seems to be to use something

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<v Speaker 1>similar to shock and or to force Iran into conceding

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<v Speaker 1>its position and allowing the USA some access to its

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<v Speaker 1>significant petrochemical resources. Perhaps emboldened by its success in Venezuela,

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<v Speaker 1>the US might be expecting a similar client state relationship here. However,

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<v Speaker 1>this has not been the outcome. Over the weekend of

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<v Speaker 1>the eleventh and twelfth of April, jd Vance, Jared Kushner,

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<v Speaker 1>and Steve Witcoff flew to Pakistan as part of a

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<v Speaker 1>Pakistani broke and ceasefire to engage in peace talks with Iran.

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<v Speaker 1>Before these peace talks, we saw both the US in

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<v Speaker 1>Iran circlating very different bases for negotiation, with Iran demanding

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<v Speaker 1>tolls for ships passing near its coastline, an end to sanctions,

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<v Speaker 1>and the removal of US forces from the region. The

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<v Speaker 1>US demanded an end to the nuclear program in Iran,

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<v Speaker 1>and at one point the President proposed a joint US

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<v Speaker 1>Iranian toll on ships passing through the Straight of Horn Moose.

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<v Speaker 1>Straight of Horn Moose is one of the areas where

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<v Speaker 1>there has been significant disagreement, and so I want to

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<v Speaker 1>explain a little bit about what the Strait of horn

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<v Speaker 1>Moose is for listeners who are not familiar. Geographically, the

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<v Speaker 1>strait connects the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Verman,

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<v Speaker 1>thus the open Ocean. It's just about thirty nine plumes

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<v Speaker 1>is wide across its narrows point, with about a quarter

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<v Speaker 1>of the worlds liquefied natural gas and seaborne oil passing

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<v Speaker 1>through the strait. Because of its geographical location, Asia and

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<v Speaker 1>Europe are especially reliant on these energy products. Many of

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<v Speaker 1>the Golf states will have no maritime export routes without

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<v Speaker 1>transitting the Strate. In response to the United States and

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<v Speaker 1>Israel's bombing campaign, Iran effectively closed the straight so a

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<v Speaker 1>combination of missile threats, claimed mining, very high frequency radio

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<v Speaker 1>broadcasts warning ships of the two previously mentioned threats, and

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<v Speaker 1>uncrude surface vessel attacks that blew up and damaged vessels,

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<v Speaker 1>including oil tankers in the Persian Gulf. At the time

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<v Speaker 1>of writing, Iran is threatening ships transiting the Strait, and

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<v Speaker 1>the US is attempting to blockade all ships that aim

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<v Speaker 1>to go to Iran. Iran has previously allowed some ships

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<v Speaker 1>a right to pass safely if they pay a toll

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<v Speaker 1>payable encrypto currency or Chinese Ian. Some ships appear to

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<v Speaker 1>have certainly transited the Strait, but many more have not,

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<v Speaker 1>and this presents a serious issue for global trade. Luckily,

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<v Speaker 1>the problems with global trade have not affected our advertisers,

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<v Speaker 1>so here are some goods and services that will probably

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<v Speaker 1>cost more than they did a few weeks ago. The

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<v Speaker 1>United States has a lack of capacity when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to mind sweeping. Many of the ships it does have

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<v Speaker 1>which can do that, but not currently very close to

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<v Speaker 1>the straitform moves. On the twelfth of April, it did

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<v Speaker 1>send two destroyers into the strait normally to begin mind

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<v Speaker 1>clearing operations, but these aren't really a sort of ships

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<v Speaker 1>that would do that so much as they would work

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<v Speaker 1>alongside the ships that do that to provide them with security.

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<v Speaker 1>There is currently a safe lane through the strait that

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<v Speaker 1>Iran seems to be sending ships through, but it's a

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<v Speaker 1>little unclear to what extent, if at all, the strait

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<v Speaker 1>is mind and what kind of minds were used. Naval

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<v Speaker 1>minds can vary. They can be pretty simple, contact fuse minds,

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<v Speaker 1>like the ones you might have seen in the Mind

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<v Speaker 1>Sweeper computer game or bottom Mine, triggered by a number

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<v Speaker 1>of mechanisms. Clearing a body of water this large would

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<v Speaker 1>take a significant amount of time. Stopping transits through the

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<v Speaker 1>Strait was not iran only response to the attacks. They

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<v Speaker 1>have launched a massive fuselade of one way drones and

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<v Speaker 1>missiles at targets across the region. Their Shahed drones one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most significant military innovations of the last decade.

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<v Speaker 1>They're cheap one way drones that can do tremendous damage

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<v Speaker 1>at a very low cost. If you've ever heard of

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<v Speaker 1>Shahed drone, you won't forget what they sound like. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like a lawnmow flying over you. These drones have been

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<v Speaker 1>so successful that the US has cloned captured drones to

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<v Speaker 1>make its own one way drones, which it calls Lucas drones,

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<v Speaker 1>and Iran has licensed production to Russia, which uses them

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<v Speaker 1>in massive numbers against Ukraine. These drones have provided a

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<v Speaker 1>cheap and relatively easy to launch platform for Iran strikes,

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<v Speaker 1>which is focused on US allies, Israel, and Bushure Kurdis

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<v Speaker 1>dan Bashur meaning Southern or Iraqi Kurdistan has taken a

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<v Speaker 1>particularly heavy toll. Much as this has been due to

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<v Speaker 1>reporting in the early days of the conflict, which began

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<v Speaker 1>with notorious fact check evader Barak Raved much as it's

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<v Speaker 1>reporting heavily and play or outright said that Kurdish ground

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<v Speaker 1>forces were repairing an assault into Iran. Raved's piece, which

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<v Speaker 1>reported that Trump had spoken to two major Curtis leaders,

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<v Speaker 1>was particularly shocking because it erroneously conflated Iraqi Kurds with

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<v Speaker 1>Iranian Kurds, those from Eastern Kurdistan and Rojalad. It's true

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<v Speaker 1>that the majority of anti regime Kurdish armed groups from

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<v Speaker 1>Iran retain bases in Iraq, but it's extremely unlikely that

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<v Speaker 1>the KDP in the p UK, the major actors in

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<v Speaker 1>Iraqi Kurdistan, will be storming the border into Roja Lat

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<v Speaker 1>anytime in the near future. However, I have spoken to

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<v Speaker 1>several of the Rojlati armed groups who are part of

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<v Speaker 1>the alliance of political forces of Iranian Kurdistan. The groups

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<v Speaker 1>involved in a Democratic Party of Iranian Kurdistan or the PDKI,

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<v Speaker 1>the Free Life Party of Kurdistan PJAK, the Kurdistan Freedom

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<v Speaker 1>Party PAK, two of the Komala parties and hubbut or

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<v Speaker 1>the organization of the Iranian Kurdistan struggle. The alliance predates

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<v Speaker 1>the United States and Israeli campaign came around and earlier

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<v Speaker 1>this year Arash Saleh I spoke him for the PDKI

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<v Speaker 1>told me quote at this point, the whole coalition is

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<v Speaker 1>built upon some type of self rule, instide Iranian Kurdistan

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<v Speaker 1>as the main demand for all of them, and that

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<v Speaker 1>as a main demand for all the Kurdish people in

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<v Speaker 1>Iranian Kurdistan. This unity of groups is a positive step

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<v Speaker 1>and it represents a real opportunity for the liberation of

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<v Speaker 1>the people of Roja. But none of these parties are

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<v Speaker 1>willing to be the spearhead of an American and Israeli

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<v Speaker 1>offensive without guarantees that they will receive support for their

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<v Speaker 1>own goals, which are very different to those of the

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<v Speaker 1>USA and Israel. In more recent weeks, President Trump has

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<v Speaker 1>insinuated and Fox News has claimed that he said this,

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<v Speaker 1>but haven't seen any recording of it, that the United

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<v Speaker 1>States sent weapons to Iranian protesters through Kurdish groups, but

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<v Speaker 1>that the Kurdish groups kept them instead of giving them

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<v Speaker 1>to the protesters. Here's the clip of Trump implying this

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<v Speaker 1>and you'll have to forgive me for the jrringly awkward

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<v Speaker 1>light jazz background music here.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't have guns.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. We said some guns.

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<v Speaker 3>But the group that were supposed to give which I said,

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<v Speaker 3>what happened to my people? I said it. I called

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<v Speaker 3>it exactly. We said guns, a lot of guns. They

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<v Speaker 3>were supposed to go to. The people said they could

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<v Speaker 3>fight back against these ducks. You know what happened. The

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<v Speaker 3>people that they sent them to kept them because they said,

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<v Speaker 3>what a beautiful gun. I think I'll keep it. So

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<v Speaker 3>I'm very upset with a certain group of people, and

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<v Speaker 3>they're going to pay a big price for that. But

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<v Speaker 3>the Iranian people who will fight back as soon as

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<v Speaker 3>they know they're not going to be shot and as

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<v Speaker 3>soon as they can get weapons.

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<v Speaker 1>The Kurdish groups I've spoken to have denied this and

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<v Speaker 1>it's not really logistically feasible. Humno Kno's Bandy, a member

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<v Speaker 1>of the General Command of the Kurdistan National Army, which

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<v Speaker 1>is the peshmerger associated with the Kurdistan Freedom Party or PAK,

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<v Speaker 1>said that quote Donald Trump's message is unclear to us.

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<v Speaker 1>What is there is that we as our army have

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<v Speaker 1>in no way received weapons from the US or any

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<v Speaker 1>other country, not even a single bullet. And the PAK

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<v Speaker 1>confirmed that statement to me this morning. At the time

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<v Speaker 1>you're hearing this, that will be yesterday morning. I checked

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<v Speaker 1>in with them. Then transiting the mountains to that part

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<v Speaker 1>of Kurdistan and then smuggling weapons all the way to Tehran.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not what they do and it will be very

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<v Speaker 1>hard for them to do it. Also, at the time

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<v Speaker 1>of the large anti regime protestin around in January, we

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<v Speaker 1>saw groups, notably the PAK the Kurdistan Freedom Party using

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<v Speaker 1>weapons that really don't appear to be US supplied, like

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<v Speaker 1>pumpact and shotguns. Nonetheless, this rumor, combined with the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that Trump really did call Iraqi Kurdish leaders at the

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<v Speaker 1>start of the conflict, presumably to ask for support, has

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<v Speaker 1>led to a rax Kurdistan region been targeted a great deal.

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<v Speaker 1>These drone and rockets rights have not just hit military targets,

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<v Speaker 1>but also the refugee camps where the families displaced from

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<v Speaker 1>Roger Laut live and many other civilian targets in major

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<v Speaker 1>Kurdish cities. To quote a PDKI a statement quote, since

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of the war with the United States in Israel.

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<v Speaker 1>The Islamic Republican of Run has so far targeted the

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<v Speaker 1>family camps, medical centers, and educational facilities of the Democratic

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<v Speaker 1>Party of Iranian Kurdistan with more than one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>ten missiles inferance. These tags have continued even during the

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<v Speaker 1>ceasefire between Iran and the United States. But it's not

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<v Speaker 1>just Iraqi Kurdistan being bombed. In fact, i Rak has

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<v Speaker 1>a distinction of being the only country bomb by both

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<v Speaker 1>sides in the conflict. This is in part this is

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<v Speaker 1>Popular Mobilization Forces, sometimes referred to by the Arabic name

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<v Speaker 1>hashtal Shabi in Iraq, have strong ties to Iran. The

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<v Speaker 1>Popular Mobilization Forces or PMF if you're not familiar, were

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<v Speaker 1>formed in twenty fourteen and fought against Islamic State in Iraq,

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<v Speaker 1>but some factions within the PMF r als are now

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<v Speaker 1>listed to terrorist groups themselves by the United States. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to resist doing the rather purel Sunni Shia kurd

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<v Speaker 1>analysis here because I don't think it explains the whole situation,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's far too often seized upon by commentators seeking

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<v Speaker 1>to oversimplify things. Many Kurds are Sunni, for example, but

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<v Speaker 1>some are Shia. Some Curds are Christian or Jewish who

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<v Speaker 1>have no religious beliefs. There are other groups in the

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<v Speaker 1>region who are not Muslim or Christian. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>unnecessarily reductionist, but nonetheless it is worth noting that the

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<v Speaker 1>PMF are mostly Shia, as is the ratiome in Iran.

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<v Speaker 1>The PMF have been using drones, rockets and mortars to

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<v Speaker 1>attack both the US bases and those of the Kurdish

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<v Speaker 1>Pesh Merger, who they see as tied to the US.

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<v Speaker 1>On the telegram channels, PMF groups have shown successful at

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<v Speaker 1>tanks of what used to be Camp Victory near the

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<v Speaker 1>Baghdad airport and against the US embassy facilities. While we

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<v Speaker 1>can talk to Rogularti groups and see PMF statements on telegram,

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<v Speaker 1>getting information on the conflict from inside Iran that's not

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<v Speaker 1>regime propaganda is very hard. An Internet blackout by the

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<v Speaker 1>Iranian government has lasted more than a month. The information

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<v Speaker 1>that we see coming out of Iran is either state

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<v Speaker 1>sanctioned or from people going to the border with Iraq

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<v Speaker 1>to get cell phone to signal, or from people using

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<v Speaker 1>satellite internet devices like Starling's. Iran has been actively hunting

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<v Speaker 1>people using starlings and further militarizing the Kurdistan region near

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<v Speaker 1>the Iraqi border where people might get cell phone signal.

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<v Speaker 1>Zenni Arbazizi and siavan Amini, a Kurdish couple, were arrested

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<v Speaker 1>on the seventh of March this year and they have

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<v Speaker 1>been detained ever since for the crime of using a starling.

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<v Speaker 1>This repressive capability is not unusual or unique ter Iranian Kurdistan.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we need to understand the structure of the

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<v Speaker 1>Iranian state to understand why it will be very hard

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<v Speaker 1>for the United States to achieve regime change simply with

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<v Speaker 1>an air campaign. Iran has a conventional army known as

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<v Speaker 1>the Arteesh. It also has the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps,

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<v Speaker 1>better known by the initials IRGC, which has a specific

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<v Speaker 1>remit of protecting the Islamic Republic. Within the IRGC, people

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<v Speaker 1>may have heard of the Kutz Force. The Kutzforce sort

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<v Speaker 1>of acts like around CIA and green Berets combined by

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<v Speaker 1>assisting other actors, mainly nonstate actors in the region like

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<v Speaker 1>Husbola for example. Then there's also the Busiege, which is

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<v Speaker 1>an element of the IGC but is a paramilitary auxiliary

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<v Speaker 1>force with as many as half a million members available

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<v Speaker 1>for immediate call up and many more in reserve. The

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<v Speaker 1>busiege are in theory directly loyal to the Supreme Leader,

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<v Speaker 1>and they have participated in the significant oppression of the population. Combined,

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<v Speaker 1>these forces represent a massive apparatus for state violence that

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<v Speaker 1>is dispersed among the civilian population. Recent reports say they

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<v Speaker 1>are even garrising schools and other civilian buildings. While the

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<v Speaker 1>United States may, for example, have destroyed Iran's conventional navy

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<v Speaker 1>its big gray boats with the Iranian flag on them,

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<v Speaker 1>it has not and cannot destroy all the small civilian

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<v Speaker 1>craft that these groups could easily use to harass shipping

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<v Speaker 1>or even plant sea mines, nor can destroy the men

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<v Speaker 1>any one way surface drone to Iran has along its coastline.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're not familiar with these, think of a remote

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<v Speaker 1>control boat that explodes when it hits its target. Israel

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<v Speaker 1>has killed many ILGC figures, but many more LGC units

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<v Speaker 1>and besiegis remain untouched. Are willing to turn their weapons

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<v Speaker 1>on any potential uprising in the country. With this in mind,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk a little bit more about those peace negotiations

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<v Speaker 1>that happened last weekend in Pakistan, and particularly let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the composition of Iran's delegation. Amongst Iran's negotiators was

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<v Speaker 1>Mohammed Jaffiri Sahra Rud, who participate in the murder of

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Abdul Rahman Ghassemlu during negotiations between the PDKI and

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<v Speaker 1>Iran in nineteen eighty nine. Doctor Gasemlu had been a

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<v Speaker 1>notable Kurdish leader for some time, was sentenced to death

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<v Speaker 1>by the Iranian regime and then kill when he came

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<v Speaker 1>to the negotiating table. In a statement sent to me,

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<v Speaker 1>the pak said the composition of the Iranian delegation, largely

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<v Speaker 1>made up of military and security figures, clearly indicates that

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<v Speaker 1>the primary objective was not to advance a genuine diplomatic process,

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<v Speaker 1>but rather to manage the situation in line with strategic goals.

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<v Speaker 1>It Ran seemed to achievely see negotiations as a way

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<v Speaker 1>to buy time. It's been able to dig out many

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<v Speaker 1>of its missiles which were buried but not destroyed by

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<v Speaker 1>its strikes, and in this pause it can shore up

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<v Speaker 1>its pasture against domestic dissenters as well. It does not seem,

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<v Speaker 1>in short to be acting in the way the sharkan

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<v Speaker 1>or doctrine might suggest and hope that it would. Indeed,

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<v Speaker 1>in recent weeks, it's been able to mobilize civilians to

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<v Speaker 1>go two power plants in the hope that their presence

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<v Speaker 1>will prevent bombing of those facilities. Despite this, and despite

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<v Speaker 1>it being a violation of various international treaties, some of

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<v Speaker 1>which Israel is not signed up to, Israel has continued

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<v Speaker 1>to hit power plants, oil infrastructure, and bridges despite the

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<v Speaker 1>civilian costs. It certainly seems that after a weekend of

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<v Speaker 1>negotiating face to face in Pakistan, the United States was

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<v Speaker 1>not able to get what it wanted out of the negotiations.

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<v Speaker 1>They have chosen not to accept our terms. Vice President J. D.

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<v Speaker 1>Vahn said, here's him talking about the negotiations at a

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<v Speaker 1>press conference on Sunday morning local time.

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<v Speaker 4>But the simple fact is that we need to see

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<v Speaker 4>an affirmative commitment that they will not seek a nuclear

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<v Speaker 4>weapon and they will not seek the tools that would

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<v Speaker 4>enable them to quickly achieve a nuclear weapon. That is

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<v Speaker 4>the core goal of the President of the United States,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's what we've tried to achieve through these negotiations. Again,

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<v Speaker 4>their nuclear programs such as it is the enrichment facilities

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<v Speaker 4>that they had before they've been destroyed. But the simple

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<v Speaker 4>question is, do we see a fundamental commitment of will

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<v Speaker 4>for the Iranians not to develop a nuclear weapon, not

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<v Speaker 4>just now, not just two years from now, but for

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<v Speaker 4>the long term. We haven't seen that yet. We hope

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<v Speaker 4>that we will.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump, however, has been talking about a more diverse range

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<v Speaker 1>of goals than advance. Let's hear talking about ending quote

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<v Speaker 1>forty seven years of extortion, corruption, and death. In one truth,

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<v Speaker 1>this suggests regime change, which Trump then went on to

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<v Speaker 1>falsely claim he has already achieved, saying in a truth quote, However,

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<v Speaker 1>now that we have complete and total regime change, where different, smarter,

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<v Speaker 1>and less radicalized minds prevail, maybe something revolutionarily wonderful can happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Who knows. This was instantly in the very same truth

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<v Speaker 1>in which Trump said, quote, A whole civilization will die tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>never to be brought back again. I don't want that

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<v Speaker 1>to happen, but it probably will. This was part of

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<v Speaker 1>a threat which he hoped to result in Iran reopening

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<v Speaker 1>the Strait of Horn moves. Trump also posted on Easter

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday quote open the fucking strait, you crazy bastards, or

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<v Speaker 1>you'll be living in hell. Obviously, this statement seems odds

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<v Speaker 1>with any idea of liberating the Iranian people, and when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes from the guy with the nuclear arsenal, it

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like a threat of genocide. While Trump has not

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<v Speaker 1>launched any nuclear weapons in Iran, this does not mean

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<v Speaker 1>that the death toll has not been heavy. To a

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<v Speaker 1>report by human rights organization HENGOR, at least seven six

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty people have been killed during the US

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<v Speaker 1>and Israeli bombing, including one thousand and thirty civilians. Iran

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<v Speaker 1>has also continued attacking its own population. Despite the massive

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<v Speaker 1>scale of the killing, Iran has not ceased, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>executing political prisoners. HENGOR estimates that at least one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>sixty political prisoners have been killed in the first quarter

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<v Speaker 1>of this year. United States troops have been killed as well,

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen of them according to the Military Times. Hundreds more

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<v Speaker 1>have been wounded. Survivors of one deadly drone attack on

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<v Speaker 1>a US facility in Q eight have disputed official accounts

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<v Speaker 1>of the attack, saying their facility did have vertical blast

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<v Speaker 1>barriers but no overhead protection against the kind of drones

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<v Speaker 1>that killed six of their colleagues, and the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>drones they could reasonably expect to be attacked by, given

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<v Speaker 1>that Iran has been using these very same drones for

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<v Speaker 1>a long time in Syria and other parts of the

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<v Speaker 1>Middle East. To quote CBS who interviewed one of them

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<v Speaker 1>on condition of anonymity, quote, painting a picture that one

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<v Speaker 1>squeaks through is a falsehood. I want people to know

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<v Speaker 1>the unit. And then there's ellipses here where they've removed

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<v Speaker 1>part of the quotation was unrepaired to provide any defense

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<v Speaker 1>for itself. It was not a fortified position. So where

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<v Speaker 1>are we now? While the US government continues to edit

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<v Speaker 1>supercuts of bombs hitting buildings and vehicles to music ladies

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<v Speaker 1>does not have permission to use, families in the United

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<v Speaker 1>States in Iran are both burying their loved ones. Despite

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<v Speaker 1>the ceasefire the US in Iran are theoretically held to.

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<v Speaker 1>There has been no cease fire for the Kurds who

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<v Speaker 1>are still being bombed, no ceasefire for Lebanon, whereas where

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<v Speaker 1>it's still carrying out a massive bombing campaign. And on

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<v Speaker 1>day two of the USA's blockade of Iranian ports, traffic

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<v Speaker 1>through the Strait of Hormos remains in the single digit

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<v Speaker 1>numbers of ships. We have not achieved, and it seems

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<v Speaker 1>that we likely will not achieve liberation for the people

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<v Speaker 1>of Iran. In fact, it may be the case that

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<v Speaker 1>the regime moves closer to the eye GC becomes more hardline,

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<v Speaker 1>more repressive, more violent. Just like in Caracas, the only

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<v Speaker 1>thing the US seems interested in liberating is oil. Around

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear threat remains like Schrodinga's cat I, once terrible and

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<v Speaker 1>non existent, destroyed last year in the justification for thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of deaths this year, as always, our solidarity should be

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<v Speaker 1>with people and not with states. We can perfectly coherently

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<v Speaker 1>hold that the people of Rowan do not deserve to

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<v Speaker 1>be killed by the US or their own government, and

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<v Speaker 1>that what we want for them should be what we

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<v Speaker 1>want for ourselves, peace, freedom, and a beautiful life. It

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