WEBVTT - CIA [8] 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:01.880 Previously on Atlanta Monster. 0:00:02.120 --> 0:00:04.240 The one thing I remember most about the missing and 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:09.240 murdered children is Maynard Jackson sitting there with piles of cash, 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:13.960 offering a reward for any information on who was committing 0:00:14.000 --> 0:00:14.840 these crimes. 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:18.239 We called Wayne Williams at two fifty five am on 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:19.960 the last day of the surveillance. 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:23.640 I've been incarcerated since nineteen eighty one. A few people 0:00:23.680 --> 0:00:26.480 realized I was never convicted in connection with any of 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:27.880 the child murders, but. 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:30.479 Once it was stand on Wayne Williams, they were thrilled. 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:32.600 That was their way out. 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:35.000 Some people in the black community thought it was the 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:38.320 Ku Klux Klan that was grabbing these black boys. 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:41.240 The Klan wanted to take credit for it. 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:43.640 They weren't bright enough to commit this crime. 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:47.239 They have a letter they called Sanders, the Klansmen, the 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:48.880 prime suspect, and the murders. 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:52.080 For months before Wayne Williams was arrested and charged with 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:53.280 two of the murderers. 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:57.000 Anybody out there he thinks that Wayne Williams didn't do 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:01.160 all this by himself, was correct. I only know that 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:02.840 from the mouth of the Double King song. 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:14.120 I did some television in my early career. I learned 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:18.520 on sixteen millimeter film and sixteen millimeter mag stripe film, 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:23.080 and was a TV reporter in the transition to videotape 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:27.800 three thousand hours of it in a helicopter Captain Dave 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:31.679 and the WSB skycopter. There was a nickname that was 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:35.360 laid on me, might even make that one up. Started 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:40.880 in broadcasting in nineteen sixty nine, so I'm an og. 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:49.240 A couple of years in they started finding the bodies 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:54.600 of young black males, and we had a big newsroom. 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:58.360 I had a lot of reporters. We would all ask 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:02.520 the police are these related? Are these things connected? Could 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:05.960 there be a connection between these? And the answer was no, 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:14.680 until the bodies started adding up. I don't know whether 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:17.360 the police admitted to themselves or they already knew but 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:21.440 didn't say, but then they had to say something. It 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:24.679 was too obvious that there was a pattern of this 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:29.480 in some way, and they started talking about it in 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:35.160 that manner. And I was at many of the scenes, 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:37.960 many of the scenes where the bodies had been found 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:43.160 up until that point at a homicide, police knew me, 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:46.000 knew of me, and there was a level of trust 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:49.520 that you could walk up almost to the body and 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:51.760 talk with them and they would know that you would 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:55.680 be judicious about what you reported. But when they started 0:02:55.720 --> 0:03:00.760 finding these bodies, there was none of that kept far 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:03.919 away for the most part, away from where you could 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:08.079 take any pictures or see anything about it, and that 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:15.480 has left many questions for me. I knew Wayne Williams. 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:21.079 I knew Wayne Williams from his days as a freelance 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:25.640 television news photographer. He had a nice camera. That's the 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:29.760 first thing I noticed. He had a Fresolini camera, and 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:32.560 not everybody has one of those on their shoulders. At 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:36.800 that time. Wayne would be out in the city scanner 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:40.760 chasing and he would find a shooting or a fire 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:44.680 or some such going on at night. And we would 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:46.960 come in in the morning and the radio and Wayne 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:48.800 would be there and he would ask us, do you 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:52.440 have a story about, for instance, a fire fourteenth Street. 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:56.120 If we said we did, he would ask the photocopy 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:59.000 the script. He would take that photocopy and tape it 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:01.840 to his film can and leave it for Channel two. 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:06.280 The one thing that I noticed about Wayne was car 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:13.400 he drove. It was a bloom Plymouth satellite and it 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:19.280 was just like a detective police car in Atlanta and Atlanta. 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:22.000 Another body was discovered today the twenty third. 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:25.320 At Police Task Force headquarters. There are twenty seven faces 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:28.240 on the wall. Twenty six murdered was missing. We do 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:30.719 not know the person or persons that are responsible. Therefore, 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:31.880 we do not have the money. 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:35.159 From Tenerfo TV and houstill forks in Atlanta. 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:39.240 Like eleven other recent victims in Atlanta, Rogers apparently was asphyxiated. 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:43.039 Atlanta is unlikely to catch the killer unless he keeps 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:43.760 on killing. 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:46.279 This is Atlanta Monster. 0:04:57.200 --> 0:05:01.279 Wayne Williams drove a blue Plymouth satellite. It looked just 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:05.200 like an unmarked Atlanta police car. I'm pretty good at 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:09.920 spotting undercover cars because the way I drive, and that 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:11.200 one stood out. 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:13.359 The main car in this case has always been that 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:16.200 white station Wagon, the one Wayne was driving that night 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:18.960 on the bridge. But during my research I was hearing 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:20.440 more accounts about blue cars. 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:23.000 The first blue car I heard about was a Nova. 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:26.000 I know there was talk about a blue Nova, which 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:27.920 Wayne didn't drive a blue Nova. 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:31.400 Vincent Hill also mentioned this victim. Jeffrey Mathis was seen 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:33.960 getting into a blue Nova, and according to Rodney's story, 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:36.240 he was picked up in a blue Nova too. But 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:38.960 Wayne didn't drive a blue Nova. Then I thought, what 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:41.520 do these cars look like? How similar is a blue 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:44.600 Plymouth to a blue Nova? Would a child know the difference? 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:47.000 So I looked them up, and to me, these cars 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:49.440 looked very similar in some ways, almost identical. 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:54.719 It was medium metallic blue. He had a built in scanner, 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:58.640 not a magnetic mount, but a real scanner, and it 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:01.839 looked for all the world like a cop car. Wayne 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:04.599 Williams a quiet didn't say much, and he got his 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:08.920 job done and left at the station. Here's a question 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:11.840 I have about Wayne Williams. He was kind of pudgy. 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:15.000 How does a guy like that? How do we reckon 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:20.720 that he abducted fairly old, street smart kids who probably 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:26.760 knew how to fight without getting hurt himself. How did 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:30.839 that happen? How did these kids allegedly go with him 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:34.920 with no fight, with no signs of a struggle on 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:38.680 Wayne's part. They would have mashed his face, surely bruised 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:40.680 him in some way or injured him in some way, 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:45.440 but that was never talked about. When I heard that 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:48.880 he was arrested, the one thing that came in my 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:52.240 mind first was why didn't they think of him first? 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:55.719 Because they told us that they were looking for someone 0:06:56.000 --> 0:07:00.520 who maybe had a visage of authority that presented themselves 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:03.279 like an authority figure like a police or maybe a 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:08.280 male man or whatever. They were looking for somebody like that. Well, 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:10.760 look at this guy's driving a what looks like a 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:12.320 police car. 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:14.520 David makes a pretty good point. 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:18.600 Wayne did fit the FBI profile, in particular the desire 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:21.680 to impersonate a police officer. But David still had his 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:25.160 doubts about Wayne's guilt. He remember as many suspects before 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:26.040 Wayne Williams too. 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:30.920 There were some bizarre things that happened while they were looking. 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:35.840 There was one suspect who came into mind and was 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:41.640 being actively watched, as we understood, and that person got 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:43.760 angry and came to the radio station wanted to do 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:48.720 an interview. The police chief came to the station with 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:53.040 the general manager, albo Ellis, and me and some other people, 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:56.160 and they were kind of explaining to us. The police 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:59.080 were kind of explaining to us that how dangerous it 0:07:59.280 --> 0:07:59.840 was to put. 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:02.080 On the air. 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:06.320 Well, we knew that, we knew that the general manager's 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:09.440 station was the recipient of a Peabody award. I mean, 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:13.720 we weren't slapshot at it, and this man came to 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:21.400 us and we did the interview, and the man said, 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:25.200 you know, you could get killed investigating a story like this. 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:34.240 We call police. And for a time she slept with 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:37.880 a radio station walkie talkie beside the bed, and I 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:40.400 had one beside mine in case she had trouble, and 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:45.959 the police had ordered protection for her. When you're investigating 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:49.520 a murder and serial murder and somebody says that that 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:52.880 will send a chill in your spine, they really will. 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:58.520 I can't remember the name of the person, but I 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:04.440 remember it was medium bill, black male, and that's that's 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:08.560 all I can remember. But the police knew who he 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:11.680 was and they were watching. 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:16.079 Even David himself was investigated at one point. 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:21.240 They tell me that they looked at me because there 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:26.480 were reports witness accounts that a white man with a 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:29.720 mustache wearing a flat sport cap was trying to pick 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:33.720 up kids along Stuart Avenue. Well, I lived on the 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:36.240 South Side, I had a mustache, no wore flat caps, 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:44.400 So there you go, and they checked me out. Years later, 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:50.840 I was coaching my son's soccer team and one of 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:53.240 the other coaches came up and put his arm on 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:55.599 my shoulder and said, buddy, we know more at you 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:58.320 than you think we do. And I said, how's that? 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:04.440 He said, GBI agent, we had younger surveillance. Head of 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:10.000 the GBI, Phil Peterson told me because I had developed 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:12.480 a relationship with him and talked to him, and he 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:15.360 knew me and I knew him, and he knew if 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:17.960 he told me something not to get out that I 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:27.120 could hold it in confidence. He said, Dave, someday, I'll 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:29.400 sit down with you when this is over, and I'll 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:33.800 tell you everything I know. And philed out of kidney 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:38.600 cancer before I could talk to him. This whole thing 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:42.080 sounds like it's unreal, like it's out of a TV show. 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:45.600 And it always had that kind of vibe to it, 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:49.000 what's next, what are they going to find next? And 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:51.320 it was a vice president, it was a mayor with 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:54.120 a pile of cash, and it was the mayor pointing 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:57.560 his finger at the camera. I'm coming. You've seen the film. 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:04.120 Here's one hundred thousand dollars and it's all yours. This 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:05.800 got me thinking about that reward money. 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:08.439 Ticket sales alone for the show brought in one hundred 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:10.600 and forty five thousand dollars. Then there were a few 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:13.440 big donations from Warner Brothers, Coca Cola and the like, 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:16.640 and some sizable ones from individuals too. The after party 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:19.360 auction brought in another eighteen grand all in all a 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:22.280 big haul, easily over two hundred thousand dollars. 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:25.040 At this point, I'd heard so much about it, But 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:25.880 where'd it go? 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:29.960 I've wondered about a lot of money things, So what 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:33.400 happened to that money? I don't know. After all, the 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:35.480 large of the reward, the more likely it will be 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:38.720 that police will eventually get the information they need to 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:40.840 solve these horrifying murders. 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:44.200 When Muhammad Ali announced he would add to the reward fund, 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:48.560 making it five hundred thousand dollars, even city officials were surprised. 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:51.520 In thanking Ali. Mayor Jackson said this was the largest 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:53.600 single donation in the history of the cases. 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:59.440 All those private donations and the benefit concerts, tons of 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:00.760 money raised it catch the killer. 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:02.559 Whatever happened to it? 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:06.800 It's a question I asked everybody, Captain. 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:10.280 Dave, Now, I don't know where the money man, Monica Pierson, you. 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:12.720 Know that's one of the things you need to ask. 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:17.040 What happened to all of that reward money. Unfortunately, the 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:19.920 one person who could probably answer that for sure it 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:23.800 has passed on the former mayor, Maynard Jackson, because Maynard 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:26.080 was very hands on. I was the city hall reporter 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:30.719 in those days, so he was responsible to the community 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:33.840 and he would know where that went. 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:38.120 Doctor Blackwelter, that's a good question, may be something good 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:39.959 for you looking to the APD. 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:41.280 I don't have any idea. 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:44.480 Are you saying that that two million dollars is missing? 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:49.360 No one got the reward? I know, I didn't. I 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:51.960 don't know. I never even heard that there was, but 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:53.520 I don't doubt that it's missing. 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:57.120 It had to be kept somewhere, and whether it was 0:12:57.200 --> 0:12:59.440 real cash or not, or just just set up for 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:04.040 that particular shot. You know, it may have been promised money. 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:08.640 It could have been Coca Cola or Georgia Power or 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:11.720 somebody would have said, Okay, y'all catch him and then 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:14.400 we're going to put in a million dollars. I seem 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:16.280 like I heard that it was going to be divided 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:18.840 between the victims' families, but I don't think we ever 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:22.520 really figured out. But all the true victims, you know 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:24.560 that FBI. 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:28.360 Well, I'm not sure that it went to anybody. You know, 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:32.000 the usually the conditions of reward money as as based 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:34.720 on as you provide information that leads to the arrest 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:38.880 and conviction thereof. Well, the information that led to the 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:43.320 conviction thereof was FBI and police information. It wasn't any 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:47.360 one particular person. Now, had you know, had somebody called 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:50.520 me and said, this is Payne Wayne Williams did this 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:53.240 and here's why, and then we went we found out 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:55.320 then you would be subject to qualify to get the 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:56.040 reward money. 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:59.040 Word got out. If you got on the list, you 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:01.320 got money. They raised a quarter of a million dollars, 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:03.280 which is a lot of money at that time, and 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:05.200 that went into the fund for the parents of the 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:07.880 murdered and missing kids. So if you made the list, 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:08.640 you got money. 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:09.880 I wasn't involved in it. 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:13.000 There was decisions to give so much money to the victims' 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:15.960 families to help them out because they were a lot 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:19.040 of them were on the lower end of the socioeconomical scale. 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:26.040 If the families are saying they didn't receive it, and 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:31.240 the FBI really doesn't know where it went, then is 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:33.920 it sitting in a bank account somewhere drawing interest? 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:38.240 What happened to that money. I don't know. I really 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:42.760 wish it had shaken loose more people to talk. Somebody 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:47.920 knows something. They might be dead now, they might be dead. 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:49.280 Somebody knows something. 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:52.880 You know what I talked to, had any idea where 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:53.160 it went? 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:58.200 What were what money? I don't remember. I know of 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:03.240 anyone mentioning to us money's being raised for the family. 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:07.560 I don't know if it was being and whatever happened 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:11.760 to it. If it did, of course my dad it 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:16.240 was never mentioned to me by him or either one 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:19.720 of my brothers or sisters that any money was involved 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:22.640 in it. My brother being killed like that, I don't 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:24.480 think none of was thinking about any money in the 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:28.760 first place. If someone said money being raised, and it's 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:31.440 been that money is given to somebody said, well, come 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:34.960 tell me exactly who killed your brother, I'm going to 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:37.280 give him that reward. That's the way I would have 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:44.000 looked at the money. I think that is maybe something 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:45.000 needs to be looked into. 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:07.680 When I listened to the tape of his interview on 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:11.600 your podcast, No Wonder, his attorney didn't want him to talk. 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:17.320 He was wacky. He was wacky. He talked in a 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:21.240 scattershot manner about stuff that had nothing to do with 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:25.520 anything like trying to enterprise a rap singer out of prison. 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:30.080 And he's connection with the CIA. I just didn't I 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:30.720 don't see that. 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:34.240 When I started my research on Wayne Williams and the 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:38.240 Atlanta child murders, a certain storyline kept popping up. Wayne 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:43.440 Williams alleged CIA background. It sounds crazy, I know. In 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:45.840 my first call with Wayne, he briefly mentioned it. 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:50.800 The only conspiracy that came in was once my name 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:55.280 hit the Steprioc computers and it got to Washington. That's 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:58.400 when they pattied because they had a ran country going 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:02.920 and because to the government who on my background working 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:06.200 for the agency and they were a friend, would expose it. 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:10.320 If I remember correctly. In talking to Wayne, he said 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:13.200 when he was seventeen when he got approached. 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:16.359 Vincent spoke to Wayne on several occasions and he told 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:18.360 him about it too. 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:22.920 This agency that UH fronted as the Junior ORLTC program. 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:26.240 But what they would do is they would recruit young 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:31.159 individuals to train for the CIA, and in that training 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:36.240 he learned to kill people with choke hold. I don't 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:39.200 know why he told that story again. It goes back 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:43.679 to Wayne, loving to embellish stuff that ended up getting 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:47.679 him in trouble. Here some of the victims were supposedly strangled, 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:50.399 and here's this guy saying, yeah, I'm trained to put 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:52.640 people in choke holds. Wayne, what are you doing? 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:54.760 Do I believe it happened? 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:59.720 No, not at all. A there would be some kind 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:03.960 of declassified the record by now, thirty plus years ago 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:08.640 that said, yes, we recruited Wayne B. Williams for this program, right, 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:12.440 I mean, now you can get the declassified Kennedy files. 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:16.400 Thirty plus years later, no one's ever came forward and said, Yep, 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:20.400 Wayne's telling the truth about that. If it happened by now, 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:21.440 we would know about it. 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:27.199 Dwayne Hendrix also mentioned it to me. 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:32.239 Wayne told me the first in depth conversation that we 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:34.920 had that when he was a part of the CIA 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:38.080 Junior Officers program, he went on two missions to Africa 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:42.600 and he saw two villages of men, women, and children 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:45.480 that were completely and totally wiped out. 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:47.240 Dead bodies stacked. 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:48.960 Who showed him this? 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:53.120 Dude, he was a part of the CIA Junior's Officers program. 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:56.480 Do you think this somehow plays into him being convicted 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:57.560 as the killer. 0:18:58.880 --> 0:18:59.800 Because of what he saw. 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:05.639 In doing some more digging, I found an old documentary 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:08.400 called Reclamation. Wayne talks about it there too. 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:11.400 When I was going through school, when I started in college, 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:14.640 I was reports to work for something called a JLT program, 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:17.440 a Junior Office and Training program, which is a minority 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:21.280 recruiting program for the Central Intelligence Agency. I asked him, 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:23.480 went so far as to take two trips to camp Peria, 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:28.800 Virginia nineteen seventy seven in nineteen seventy eight, and these 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:30.840 people wanted me to work with them because I already 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:33.680 had an electronics background of new photography, and they were 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:36.320 having some problems at the time in Africa. Apparently the 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:39.880 United States, what we were told, was involved in some 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:44.119 action in Africa, going against the government in Angola and all, 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:46.639 and they needed some blacks to work for them at 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:51.560 the time. So in the process of considering me for that, 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:54.480 my name was already on the government's computer role. And 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:57.480 I think after the bridge stopped, when you put one 0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:00.800 plus one equals two together, people jumped, and I think 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:04.960 that's exactly what happened to Panic during the radio station era. 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:08.120 We came to find out that while we were operating 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:11.399 the radio station, I was also under surveillance by the 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:15.560 FBI's Corn and Tail program. The NSA had a program 0:20:15.600 --> 0:20:19.080 which was also called mineration in Shamrock, Minerate and Shamrock. 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:21.439 If you get those files that came out of the 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:24.480 Frank Church here Ins of nineteen seventy five and seventy six, 0:20:25.040 --> 0:20:27.920 I am the young black reporter that's mentioned in those 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:30.960 files where we were under observation because of our association 0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:33.879 with SCLC. They knew me for a long time. 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:39.920 If you listen to that interview and he talks about 0:20:40.000 --> 0:20:42.920 being with the CIA and all this stuff, he could 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:46.240 have been duped into thinking it was CIA work or 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:52.160 super secret agency stuff. I don't know. I've often wondered 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:56.960 that if there were others the way that they just 0:20:57.040 --> 0:20:59.760 took all of the cases after those convictions and shoved 0:20:59.840 --> 0:21:01.800 me into a band and close the door and lock it. 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:09.080 I still am not sure that Wayne Williams was the 0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:12.560 only guy responsible. I think he deserves to be in prison. 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:15.920 David Volk told me that he didn't believe Wayne was 0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:18.639 the Atlanta Chel murder, but he also admitted that Wayne 0:21:18.640 --> 0:21:21.480 was an unusual guy with some pretty out there stories 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:23.040 larger than life. 0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:26.879 They got him dead to rights at the Jackson Bridge. 0:21:27.040 --> 0:21:30.439 I mean, he had no explanation for that, but it 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:35.360 is possible. I think it's extremely possible that there were 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:38.600 other people involved. I think he was a conspirator. 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:47.600 Doctor Blackwelder, who is close to Wayne's family and also 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:50.400 currently owns his old white station wagon, has his own 0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:52.000 story of Wayne's CIA involvement. 0:21:52.600 --> 0:21:55.199 Somebody that would take him out to some place in 0:21:55.280 --> 0:21:57.920 Georgia that had a firing range and let him shoot 0:21:57.960 --> 0:22:01.600 all kinds of machine guns and all. And he said 0:22:01.600 --> 0:22:07.840 that he was an undercover agent for the somebody. Hey, Shirley, 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:14.040 let me get my wife. Shirley, okay, can you stick 0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:15.560 your head tell her to come in here. 0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:18.439 Blackwater asked me to get his wife from the kitchen 0:22:18.760 --> 0:22:20.200 because she remembered the story better. 0:22:22.960 --> 0:22:27.120 I got to meet his dog too, tell him what. 0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:29.879 The deal was on Homer and then and Wayne was 0:22:29.920 --> 0:22:33.520 supposed to be an undercover agent for somebody or this 0:22:33.560 --> 0:22:37.240 guy pulled up in this black car and came in into 0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:39.240 the radio station somewhere in the line and took him 0:22:39.240 --> 0:22:42.240 out way off somewhere and let him shooting machine guns 0:22:42.240 --> 0:22:42.520 and all. 0:22:42.600 --> 0:22:42.679 That. 0:22:43.640 --> 0:22:46.640 That was when Wayne was fourteen. 0:22:47.119 --> 0:22:48.159 It was CIA. 0:22:49.680 --> 0:22:51.639 This is a real thing. 0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:55.600 Why would the CIA have any business recruiting Wayne Williams. 0:22:55.320 --> 0:22:58.360 As a kid as his father did. 0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:02.280 He said the took interest in Wayne because of Homer, 0:23:02.720 --> 0:23:05.720 his father, and apparently Homer had contact with them too. 0:23:06.160 --> 0:23:10.960 He worked on the Manhattan Project. When these CIA agents 0:23:11.080 --> 0:23:13.760 or whatever they were, old Wayne, if you'll work for us, 0:23:13.760 --> 0:23:16.399 should help us, we'll kick you out at least you 0:23:16.480 --> 0:23:19.240 fly on an airplane and shooting machine guns and everything. 0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:22.600 And they took him somewhere that looked like a horse ranch. 0:23:23.280 --> 0:23:25.200 But when you went down the niots they had these 0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:27.439 targets shut up in all these kind of actions. 0:23:28.280 --> 0:23:30.360 They told me about a collection of files. Hommer had 0:23:30.760 --> 0:23:32.240 one they had seen with their own eyes. 0:23:32.600 --> 0:23:39.680 Homer had four file cabinets full of files pictures be 0:23:39.840 --> 0:23:43.399 on up the Manhattan Project, and he told Eddie and 0:23:43.440 --> 0:23:46.600 myself that we could have it when he passed away. 0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:49.359 And he passed away, and we went up there and 0:23:50.000 --> 0:23:53.199 they were in a storage building lot. We were the 0:23:53.240 --> 0:23:54.960 only ones that had to keep and. 0:23:55.040 --> 0:23:58.320