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Speaker 1: Previously on Atlanta Monster.

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Speaker 2: The one thing I remember most about the missing and

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Speaker 2: murdered children is Maynard Jackson sitting there with piles of cash,

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Speaker 2: offering a reward for any information on who was committing

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Speaker 2: these crimes.

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Speaker 3: We called Wayne Williams at two fifty five am on

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Speaker 3: the last day of the surveillance.

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Speaker 4: I've been incarcerated since nineteen eighty one. A few people

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Speaker 4: realized I was never convicted in connection with any of

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Speaker 4: the child murders, but.

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Speaker 5: Once it was stand on Wayne Williams, they were thrilled.

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Speaker 5: That was their way out.

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Speaker 2: Some people in the black community thought it was the

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Speaker 2: Ku Klux Klan that was grabbing these black boys.

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Speaker 3: The Klan wanted to take credit for it.

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Speaker 6: They weren't bright enough to commit this crime.

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Speaker 7: They have a letter they called Sanders, the Klansmen, the

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Speaker 7: prime suspect, and the murders.

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Speaker 8: For months before Wayne Williams was arrested and charged with

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Speaker 8: two of the murderers.

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Speaker 5: Anybody out there he thinks that Wayne Williams didn't do

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Speaker 5: all this by himself, was correct. I only know that

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Speaker 5: from the mouth of the Double King song.

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Speaker 9: I did some television in my early career. I learned

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Speaker 9: on sixteen millimeter film and sixteen millimeter mag stripe film,

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Speaker 9: and was a TV reporter in the transition to videotape

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Speaker 9: three thousand hours of it in a helicopter Captain Dave

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Speaker 9: and the WSB skycopter. There was a nickname that was

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Speaker 9: laid on me, might even make that one up. Started

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Speaker 9: in broadcasting in nineteen sixty nine, so I'm an og.

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Speaker 9: A couple of years in they started finding the bodies

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Speaker 9: of young black males, and we had a big newsroom.

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Speaker 9: I had a lot of reporters. We would all ask

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Speaker 9: the police are these related? Are these things connected? Could

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Speaker 9: there be a connection between these? And the answer was no,

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Speaker 9: until the bodies started adding up. I don't know whether

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Speaker 9: the police admitted to themselves or they already knew but

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Speaker 9: didn't say, but then they had to say something. It

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Speaker 9: was too obvious that there was a pattern of this

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Speaker 9: in some way, and they started talking about it in

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Speaker 9: that manner. And I was at many of the scenes,

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Speaker 9: many of the scenes where the bodies had been found

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Speaker 9: up until that point at a homicide, police knew me,

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Speaker 9: knew of me, and there was a level of trust

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Speaker 9: that you could walk up almost to the body and

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Speaker 9: talk with them and they would know that you would

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Speaker 9: be judicious about what you reported. But when they started

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Speaker 9: finding these bodies, there was none of that kept far

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Speaker 9: away for the most part, away from where you could

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Speaker 9: take any pictures or see anything about it, and that

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Speaker 9: has left many questions for me. I knew Wayne Williams.

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Speaker 9: I knew Wayne Williams from his days as a freelance

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Speaker 9: television news photographer. He had a nice camera. That's the

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Speaker 9: first thing I noticed. He had a Fresolini camera, and

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Speaker 9: not everybody has one of those on their shoulders. At

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Speaker 9: that time. Wayne would be out in the city scanner

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Speaker 9: chasing and he would find a shooting or a fire

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Speaker 9: or some such going on at night. And we would

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Speaker 9: come in in the morning and the radio and Wayne

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Speaker 9: would be there and he would ask us, do you

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Speaker 9: have a story about, for instance, a fire fourteenth Street.

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Speaker 9: If we said we did, he would ask the photocopy

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Speaker 9: the script. He would take that photocopy and tape it

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Speaker 9: to his film can and leave it for Channel two.

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Speaker 9: The one thing that I noticed about Wayne was car

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Speaker 9: he drove. It was a bloom Plymouth satellite and it

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Speaker 9: was just like a detective police car in Atlanta and Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: Another body was discovered today the twenty third.

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Speaker 8: At Police Task Force headquarters. There are twenty seven faces

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Speaker 8: on the wall. Twenty six murdered was missing. We do

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Speaker 8: not know the person or persons that are responsible. Therefore,

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Speaker 8: we do not have the money.

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Speaker 1: From Tenerfo TV and houstill forks in Atlanta.

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Speaker 10: Like eleven other recent victims in Atlanta, Rogers apparently was asphyxiated.

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Speaker 8: Atlanta is unlikely to catch the killer unless he keeps

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Speaker 8: on killing.

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Speaker 1: This is Atlanta Monster.

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Speaker 9: Wayne Williams drove a blue Plymouth satellite. It looked just

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Speaker 9: like an unmarked Atlanta police car. I'm pretty good at

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Speaker 9: spotting undercover cars because the way I drive, and that

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Speaker 9: one stood out.

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Speaker 11: The main car in this case has always been that

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Speaker 11: white station Wagon, the one Wayne was driving that night

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Speaker 11: on the bridge. But during my research I was hearing

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Speaker 11: more accounts about blue cars.

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Speaker 1: The first blue car I heard about was a Nova.

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Speaker 10: I know there was talk about a blue Nova, which

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Speaker 10: Wayne didn't drive a blue Nova.

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Speaker 11: Vincent Hill also mentioned this victim. Jeffrey Mathis was seen

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Speaker 11: getting into a blue Nova, and according to Rodney's story,

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Speaker 11: he was picked up in a blue Nova too. But

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Speaker 11: Wayne didn't drive a blue Nova. Then I thought, what

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Speaker 11: do these cars look like? How similar is a blue

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Speaker 11: So I looked them up, and to me, these cars

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Speaker 11: looked very similar in some ways, almost identical.

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Speaker 9: It was medium metallic blue. He had a built in scanner,

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Speaker 9: not a magnetic mount, but a real scanner, and it

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Speaker 9: looked for all the world like a cop car. Wayne

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Speaker 9: Williams a quiet didn't say much, and he got his

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Speaker 9: job done and left at the station. Here's a question

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Speaker 9: I have about Wayne Williams. He was kind of pudgy.

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Speaker 9: How does a guy like that? How do we reckon

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Speaker 9: that he abducted fairly old, street smart kids who probably

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Speaker 9: knew how to fight without getting hurt himself. How did

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Speaker 9: that happen? How did these kids allegedly go with him

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Speaker 9: with no fight, with no signs of a struggle on

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Speaker 9: Wayne's part. They would have mashed his face, surely bruised

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Speaker 9: him in some way or injured him in some way,

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Speaker 9: but that was never talked about. When I heard that

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Speaker 9: he was arrested, the one thing that came in my

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Speaker 9: mind first was why didn't they think of him first?

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Speaker 9: Because they told us that they were looking for someone

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Speaker 9: who maybe had a visage of authority that presented themselves

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Speaker 9: like an authority figure like a police or maybe a

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Speaker 9: male man or whatever. They were looking for somebody like that. Well,

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Speaker 9: look at this guy's driving a what looks like a

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Speaker 9: police car.

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Speaker 1: David makes a pretty good point.

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Speaker 11: Wayne did fit the FBI profile, in particular the desire

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Speaker 11: to impersonate a police officer. But David still had his

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Speaker 11: doubts about Wayne's guilt. He remember as many suspects before

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Speaker 11: Wayne Williams too.

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Speaker 9: There were some bizarre things that happened while they were looking.

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Speaker 9: There was one suspect who came into mind and was

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Speaker 9: being actively watched, as we understood, and that person got

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Speaker 9: angry and came to the radio station wanted to do

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Speaker 9: an interview. The police chief came to the station with

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Speaker 9: the general manager, albo Ellis, and me and some other people,

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Speaker 9: and they were kind of explaining to us. The police

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Speaker 9: were kind of explaining to us that how dangerous it

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Speaker 9: was to put.

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Speaker 1: On the air.

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Speaker 9: Well, we knew that, we knew that the general manager's

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Speaker 9: station was the recipient of a Peabody award. I mean,

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Speaker 9: we weren't slapshot at it, and this man came to

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Speaker 9: us and we did the interview, and the man said,

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Speaker 9: you know, you could get killed investigating a story like this.

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Speaker 9: We call police. And for a time she slept with

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Speaker 9: a radio station walkie talkie beside the bed, and I

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Speaker 9: had one beside mine in case she had trouble, and

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Speaker 9: the police had ordered protection for her. When you're investigating

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Speaker 9: a murder and serial murder and somebody says that that

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Speaker 9: will send a chill in your spine, they really will.

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Speaker 9: I can't remember the name of the person, but I

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Speaker 9: remember it was medium bill, black male, and that's that's

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Speaker 9: all I can remember. But the police knew who he

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Speaker 9: was and they were watching.

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Speaker 11: Even David himself was investigated at one point.

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Speaker 9: They tell me that they looked at me because there

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Speaker 9: were reports witness accounts that a white man with a

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Speaker 9: mustache wearing a flat sport cap was trying to pick

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Speaker 9: up kids along Stuart Avenue. Well, I lived on the

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Speaker 9: South Side, I had a mustache, no wore flat caps,

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Speaker 9: So there you go, and they checked me out. Years later,

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Speaker 9: I was coaching my son's soccer team and one of

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Speaker 9: the other coaches came up and put his arm on

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Speaker 9: my shoulder and said, buddy, we know more at you

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Speaker 9: than you think we do. And I said, how's that?

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Speaker 9: He said, GBI agent, we had younger surveillance. Head of

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Speaker 9: the GBI, Phil Peterson told me because I had developed

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Speaker 9: a relationship with him and talked to him, and he

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Speaker 9: knew me and I knew him, and he knew if

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Speaker 9: he told me something not to get out that I

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Speaker 9: could hold it in confidence. He said, Dave, someday, I'll

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Speaker 9: sit down with you when this is over, and I'll

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Speaker 9: tell you everything I know. And philed out of kidney

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Speaker 9: cancer before I could talk to him. This whole thing

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Speaker 9: sounds like it's unreal, like it's out of a TV show.

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Speaker 9: And it always had that kind of vibe to it,

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Speaker 9: what's next, what are they going to find next? And

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Speaker 9: it was a vice president, it was a mayor with

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Speaker 9: a pile of cash, and it was the mayor pointing

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Speaker 9: his finger at the camera. I'm coming. You've seen the film.

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Speaker 1: Here's one hundred thousand dollars and it's all yours. This

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Speaker 1: got me thinking about that reward money.

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Speaker 12: Ticket sales alone for the show brought in one hundred

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Speaker 12: and forty five thousand dollars. Then there were a few

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Speaker 12: big donations from Warner Brothers, Coca Cola and the like,

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Speaker 12: and some sizable ones from individuals too. The after party

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Speaker 12: auction brought in another eighteen grand all in all a

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Speaker 12: big haul, easily over two hundred thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: At this point, I'd heard so much about it, But

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Speaker 1: where'd it go?

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Speaker 9: I've wondered about a lot of money things, So what

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Speaker 9: happened to that money? I don't know. After all, the

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Speaker 9: large of the reward, the more likely it will be

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Speaker 9: that police will eventually get the information they need to

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Speaker 9: solve these horrifying murders.

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Speaker 7: When Muhammad Ali announced he would add to the reward fund,

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Speaker 7: making it five hundred thousand dollars, even city officials were surprised.

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Speaker 7: In thanking Ali. Mayor Jackson said this was the largest

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Speaker 7: single donation in the history of the cases.

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Speaker 11: All those private donations and the benefit concerts, tons of

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Speaker 11: money raised it catch the killer.

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Speaker 1: Whatever happened to it?

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Speaker 11: It's a question I asked everybody, Captain.

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Speaker 1: Dave, Now, I don't know where the money man, Monica Pierson, you.

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Speaker 2: Know that's one of the things you need to ask.

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Speaker 2: What happened to all of that reward money. Unfortunately, the

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Speaker 2: one person who could probably answer that for sure it

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Speaker 2: has passed on the former mayor, Maynard Jackson, because Maynard

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Speaker 2: was very hands on. I was the city hall reporter

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Speaker 2: in those days, so he was responsible to the community

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Speaker 2: and he would know where that went.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Blackwelter, that's a good question, may be something good

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Speaker 1: for you looking to the APD.

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Speaker 5: I don't have any idea.

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Speaker 1: Are you saying that that two million dollars is missing?

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Speaker 5: No one got the reward? I know, I didn't. I

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Speaker 5: don't know. I never even heard that there was, but

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Speaker 5: I don't doubt that it's missing.

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Speaker 13: It had to be kept somewhere, and whether it was

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Speaker 13: real cash or not, or just just set up for

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Speaker 13: that particular shot. You know, it may have been promised money.

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Speaker 13: It could have been Coca Cola or Georgia Power or

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Speaker 13: somebody would have said, Okay, y'all catch him and then

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Speaker 13: we're going to put in a million dollars. I seem

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Speaker 13: like I heard that it was going to be divided

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Speaker 13: between the victims' families, but I don't think we ever

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Speaker 13: really figured out. But all the true victims, you know

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm not sure that it went to anybody. You know,

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Speaker 6: Word got out. If you got on the list, you

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Speaker 5: I wasn't involved in it.

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Speaker 9: What happened to that money. I don't know. I really

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Speaker 9: wish it had shaken loose more people to talk. Somebody

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Speaker 9: Somebody knows something.

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Speaker 14: What were what money? I don't remember. I know of

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Speaker 14: been that money is given to somebody said, well, come

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Speaker 14: tell me exactly who killed your brother, I'm going to

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Speaker 9: When I listened to the tape of his interview on

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Speaker 9: And he's connection with the CIA. I just didn't I

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Speaker 11: When I started my research on Wayne Williams and the

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Speaker 11: Williams alleged CIA background. It sounds crazy, I know. In

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Speaker 15: The only conspiracy that came in was once my name

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Speaker 15: when they pattied because they had a ran country going

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Speaker 10: If I remember correctly. In talking to Wayne, he said

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Speaker 11: Vincent spoke to Wayne on several occasions and he told

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Speaker 10: This agency that UH fronted as the Junior ORLTC program.

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Speaker 10: But what they would do is they would recruit young

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Speaker 10: he learned to kill people with choke hold. I don't

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Speaker 10: know why he told that story again. It goes back

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Speaker 10: to Wayne, loving to embellish stuff that ended up getting

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Speaker 10: him in trouble. Here some of the victims were supposedly strangled,

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Speaker 10: and here's this guy saying, yeah, I'm trained to put

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Speaker 1: Do I believe it happened?

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Speaker 10: No, not at all. A there would be some kind

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Speaker 10: that said, yes, we recruited Wayne B. Williams for this program, right,

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Speaker 10: I mean, now you can get the declassified Kennedy files.

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Speaker 10: Thirty plus years later, no one's ever came forward and said, Yep,

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Speaker 10: Wayne's telling the truth about that. If it happened by now,

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Speaker 1: Dwayne Hendrix also mentioned it to me.

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Speaker 16: Wayne told me the first in depth conversation that we

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Speaker 16: had that when he was a part of the CIA

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Speaker 16: Junior Officers program, he went on two missions to Africa

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Speaker 16: and he saw two villages of men, women, and children

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Speaker 16: that were completely and totally wiped out.

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Speaker 1: Dead bodies stacked.

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Speaker 5: Who showed him this?

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Speaker 16: Dude, he was a part of the CIA Junior's Officers program.

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Speaker 11: Do you think this somehow plays into him being convicted

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Speaker 11: as the killer.

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Speaker 5: Because of what he saw.

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Speaker 11: In doing some more digging, I found an old documentary

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Speaker 4: When I was going through school, when I started in college,

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Speaker 4: I was reports to work for something called a JLT program,

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Speaker 4: went so far as to take two trips to camp Peria,

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Speaker 4: Virginia nineteen seventy seven in nineteen seventy eight, and these

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Speaker 4: the time. So in the process of considering me for that,

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Speaker 4: I think after the bridge stopped, when you put one

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Speaker 4: that's exactly what happened to Panic during the radio station era.

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Speaker 4: We came to find out that while we were operating

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Speaker 4: which was also called mineration in Shamrock, Minerate and Shamrock.

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Speaker 4: If you get those files that came out of the

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Speaker 9: If you listen to that interview and he talks about

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Speaker 9: super secret agency stuff. I don't know. I've often wondered

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Speaker 9: that if there were others the way that they just

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Speaker 9: I still am not sure that Wayne Williams was the

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Speaker 9: only guy responsible. I think he deserves to be in prison.

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Speaker 11: David Volk told me that he didn't believe Wayne was

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Speaker 11: the Atlanta Chel murder, but he also admitted that Wayne

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Speaker 11: was an unusual guy with some pretty out there stories

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Speaker 9: They got him dead to rights at the Jackson Bridge.

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Speaker 9: I mean, he had no explanation for that, but it

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Speaker 11: Doctor Blackwelder, who is close to Wayne's family and also

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Speaker 17: Somebody that would take him out to some place in

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Speaker 17: all kinds of machine guns and all. And he said

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Speaker 17: that he was an undercover agent for the somebody. Hey, Shirley,

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Speaker 17: let me get my wife. Shirley, okay, can you stick

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Speaker 17: your head tell her to come in here.

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Speaker 11: Blackwater asked me to get his wife from the kitchen

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Speaker 11: because she remembered the story better.

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Speaker 1: I got to meet his dog too, tell him what.

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Speaker 17: The deal was on Homer and then and Wayne was

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Speaker 17: guy pulled up in this black car and came in into

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Speaker 18: That.

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Speaker 19: That was when Wayne was fourteen.

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Speaker 9: It was CIA.

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Speaker 1: This is a real thing.

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Speaker 11: Why would the CIA have any business recruiting Wayne Williams.

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Speaker 5: As a kid as his father did.

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Speaker 11: He said the took interest in Wayne because of Homer,

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Speaker 17: He worked on the Manhattan Project. When these CIA agents

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Speaker 17: fly on an airplane and shooting machine guns and everything.

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Speaker 17: And they took him somewhere that looked like a horse ranch.

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Speaker 17: But when you went down the niots they had these

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Speaker 11: They told me about a collection of files. Hommer had

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Speaker 20: Homer had four file cabinets full of files pictures be

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Speaker 20: on up the Manhattan Project, and he told Eddie and

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Speaker 20: And he passed away, and we went up there and

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Speaker 17: Had all the Wayne High School textbooks and everything in it.

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Speaker 17: And we went in there and it was full of stuff,

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Speaker 17: After Homer died, Wayne said, any of that kind of

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Speaker 17: and somebody cleaned the place out. Somebody broke in, but

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Speaker 17: we went out there and came back. He said, Miss Granted,

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Speaker 17: She said, had anybody been in it? Or somebody did?

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Speaker 20: So we scared. She know that anybody been out there,

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Speaker 20: and it was wrapped there at her back.

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Speaker 1: This wasn't the only unsettling experience for the Blackwaters.

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Speaker 17: I was doing a church service up in rolling Out

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Speaker 17: going back to the church. And he said, we'll have

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Speaker 17: somebody sitting outside the.

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Speaker 1: Church watching the door.

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Speaker 17: Do you know who comes to church at that it's

446
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Speaker 17: a small country church. It's always the same fable say yes.

447
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 17: He said, if anybody comes in that you don't know,

448
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 17: just fall down behind the puttle bit and we'll be

449
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Speaker 17: in their own.

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Speaker 11: Is Wayne making all this up? Is black bull making

451
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Speaker 11: this up? And for what reason? Wayne had mentioned Iron

452
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Speaker 11: Contra to me.

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Speaker 15: That's when they've panised because they had a Red Contra going.

454
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Speaker 11: I wanted some more background, sorry, reached out to Ben

455
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Speaker 11: Bowling again from stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 18: The Iran Contra affair as it's known today, occurs in

457
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Speaker 18: the nineteen eighties, with the final federal government conclusion coming

458
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Speaker 18: in nineteen ninety three. Here's what happened. The Reagan administration

459
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Speaker 18: was very anti communist, unsurprisingly, and they wanted to fund

460
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 18: the operations of Contras anti Sandinista anti communist fighters in Nicaragua,

461
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Speaker 18: but they needed to get the money from some other source.

462
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Speaker 18: So at the time, Iran and Iraq are in a war,

463
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Speaker 18: and the Reagan administration decides to violate an arms embargo

464
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Speaker 18: and sell weapons illegally to Iran in this war against Iraq,

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Speaker 18: and then take some of the money from that sale

466
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Speaker 18: and funnel it again illegally, super illegally to the Contras

467
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 18: in their fight against the Communists. This was in violation

468
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Speaker 18: of something called the Boland Agreement that came from the

469
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Speaker 18: US Congress, So it was a situation where one hand

470
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Speaker 18: of the government is saying something to the public and

471
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 18: the left hand is doing exactly the opposite. It was

472
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Speaker 18: a real life conspiracy.

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Speaker 11: What do we think Wayne is suggesting here the connection?

474
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 11: What does this have to do with the possibility of.

475
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Speaker 1: Him being innocent? Right?

476
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Speaker 21: Yes?

477
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Speaker 18: So what does this person, whether or not they're committing

478
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 18: a string of murders in Atlanta at the time, What

479
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 18: did they have to do with events in the Iran

480
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 18: Iraq War? What do they have to do with communist

481
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 18: conflicts in Nicaragua. And that's a question that's very difficult

482
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Speaker 18: to answer because Wayne has mentioned the Iran contra affair,

483
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Speaker 18: but has not, to our knowledge at least specified how

484
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 18: he would be functioning in relation to that. That makes

485
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Speaker 18: it very difficult to entirely accept.

486
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Speaker 11: Nearly every time I talked to Wayne, I asked for

487
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Speaker 11: important people I should interview, and the name that came up.

488
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Speaker 1: The most was Sidney Dorsey.

489
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Speaker 11: According to Wayne, Dorsey, a detective on Wayne's case, later

490
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Speaker 11: admitted to the corruption he was involved in that got

491
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Speaker 11: Wayne convicted.

492
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Speaker 1: In the first place, You're.

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Speaker 15: Gonna get to hear from Sidney Dorsey, who was an

494
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Speaker 15: ex He was the person while the person responsible putting

495
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Speaker 15: me in prison. Now he wants to tell the story

496
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Speaker 15: about the witnesses he paid and why he.

497
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Speaker 19: Did what he did.

498
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Speaker 1: But again I didn't have the details.

499
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Speaker 15: You're going to find out what Lewis Graham took to

500
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Speaker 15: the grand jury and all tried to get Insie.

501
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 22: And why.

502
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Speaker 15: Sidney Dorsey is probably going to agree to talk to you.

503
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Speaker 15: He's willing to complete. I am back down on communication

504
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Speaker 15: Graham as we speak. These are things that you're going

505
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Speaker 15: to learn as we talk. That's what I'm trying to

506
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Speaker 15: get to this.

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Speaker 1: If you remember from episode four, Dorsey became sheriff of

508
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Speaker 1: the Cab County but later went to jail for conspiracy

509
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Speaker 1: to commit murder.

510
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Speaker 16: Sydney ended up being the sheriff for the Cab County.

511
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Speaker 16: I think what he was really trying to do is

512
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Speaker 16: he was trying to solve the murders initially found out

513
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Speaker 16: for one, and there were multiple people that were doing

514
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Speaker 16: the murders.

515
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Speaker 1: They were prepared to make.

516
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Speaker 11: A risks to find any evidence that would Oh absolutely absolutely.

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Speaker 16: I mean Sidney Dorsey is.

518
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Speaker 14: The keita all this.

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Speaker 11: If he was the key to all this, then I

520
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Speaker 11: had to talk to him. So I wrote him a

521
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Speaker 11: letter in prison, and in the meantime, my team looked

522
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Speaker 11: around for any way to coroborate his story. That's when

523
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Speaker 11: we came across an old dateline interview with Sidney Dorsey

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Speaker 11: regarding the Atlanta child murders.

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Speaker 23: I frankly don't think that Wayne Williams has killed anyone.

526
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Speaker 24: That's former Atlanta homicide detective sid Dorsey, who was with

527
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Speaker 24: the task for us that put Williams behind bars. He's

528
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Speaker 24: one of an unlikely group of people in the criminal

529
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Speaker 24: justice system now coming forward to say Wayne Williams did

530
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Speaker 24: not commit the Atlanta child murders.

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Speaker 23: Never thought that Wayne Williams was guilty of any murder

532
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Speaker 23: that has.

533
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Speaker 24: Not one of those dozens of killings, not one.

534
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Speaker 11: It's pretty hard to misinterpret his answers without a doubt.

535
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 11: His statement was in favor of Wayne's innocence.

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Speaker 23: People ask me often, did Wayne Williams do it? And

537
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Speaker 23: I says no.

538
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 11: Dorsey brings up Clifford Jones's case. Jones's body was found

539
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Speaker 11: by a dumpster outside a laundrymat.

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Speaker 24: Jones disappeared in August nineteen eighty close to this inner

541
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Speaker 24: city strip mall. Hours later, he was found near a dumpster.

542
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Speaker 24: Behind the mall, strangled wrapped.

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Speaker 23: In plaster, there was a young man who claims to

544
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Speaker 23: have witnessed the murder of Clifford Jones.

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Speaker 24: Dorsey says an alleged eye witness described the strangling of

546
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Speaker 24: Jones and identified the strangler not Wayne Williams, but a

547
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Speaker 24: man named Jamie Brooks.

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Speaker 23: I've always lived with the notion that Jamie Brooks murdered

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Speaker 23: the child.

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Speaker 24: Brooks later died after serving time in prison for rape, sodomy,

551
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Speaker 24: and kidnapping. And despite all that evidence, the task force

552
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 24: blamed Clifford jones murder not on Jamie Brooks, but on

553
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Speaker 24: Wayne Williams.

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Speaker 1: The owner of the laundromat.

555
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 11: Jamie Brooks wasn't deemed guilty, even though eye witnesses testified

556
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Speaker 11: as seeing him place Jones's body there. Years later, Jamie

557
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Speaker 11: Brooks went to prison for raping and killing a young boy.

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Speaker 11: By now, I had talked to Wayne Williams off and

559
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Speaker 11: on for months, countless late night phone calls and digging

560
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 11: through old stories that he says proves his innocence, and

561
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 11: to be honest, it seemed like some of it checked out,

562
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 11: but not everything. I felt it was time to meet

563
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Speaker 11: Wayne in person, and he thought so too.

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Speaker 15: It's a lot easy to get on the regular visitation

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Speaker 15: least instead of a special visit. Me anytime, it's get a

566
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 15: special visit. I can have two people of one time

567
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 15: to get I really want to get you and Dwayne

568
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 15: together down here at the same time, so I'll get

569
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Speaker 15: deforms to you. You have to fill it out and

570
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 15: return it ahead of time, and then all you've got

571
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 15: to do is sit whatever date you want to come

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Speaker 15: on the weekends of the holiday.

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Speaker 1: Sounded simple, so I pulled out performs and sent them

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Speaker 1: in for this weekend.

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Speaker 25: That's when you were trying to do it.

576
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 26: Okay, if we get it tomorrow, I.

577
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Speaker 25: Can go ahead and run the background checking everything on

578
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Speaker 25: you check May women tomorrow afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Then a few days later, my warden has.

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Speaker 25: Left at your significant other form. There's no problems as

581
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Speaker 25: far as that. But we're not going to approve the

582
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Speaker 25: visit for tomorrow because we have knowledge that you are

583
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Speaker 25: doing a documentary on mister Williams, and we have to

584
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Speaker 25: put do that through our public affairs department before you

585
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 25: can enter the facility. You know, we probably would have

586
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Speaker 25: gone ahead and approved it, but he said, well, let

587
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 25: we just need to run it by just in case,

588
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 25: you know, he said, he thought we would need to

589
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 25: talk with public affairs that just make them aware of it,

590
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 25: and then we would get back with you. But I

591
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 25: will get in touch with them the first of the week,

592
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 25: make sure that there's no issues as far as they're concerned,

593
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 25: which I don't anticipate. But it's just procedure, you know,

594
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 25: it's just procedure. And I'll call you back just as

595
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Speaker 25: soon as I mess up.

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Speaker 1: A small roadblock, but still promising, He a why n

597
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Speaker 1: e first moon?

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Speaker 9: Okay, well, they just got in yesterday.

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Speaker 26: They want to be processed yet, and I don't see

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Speaker 26: your name.

601
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Speaker 25: I gave her your number, your call back.

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00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 27: I think she said she just waiting, you know, the lady.

603
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Speaker 25: You need to talk to her.

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Speaker 27: I think she's still a look.

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Speaker 26: Your last thing is limbsy.

606
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 27: Thinking a longer.

607
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Speaker 26: I think I'm good. I got them, I got them

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Speaker 26: on my desk.

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Speaker 9: I to process it.

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Speaker 25: Right now, so we don't have you an answer sometime

611
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Speaker 25: this afternoons hopefully.

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Speaker 1: And finally, yes, sir, it was a proof of this happening.

613
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 11: It was happening, and in just a few days. But

614
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Speaker 11: I've never been to a prison before.

615
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Speaker 8: I mean, it's it's you know, it's I've seen I've

616
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Speaker 8: seen every type.

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Speaker 11: This is Mark Smirling, creator of the podcast Crime Town

618
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Speaker 11: and the docuseries The Jinx.

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Speaker 1: This was nothing new to him. Most of the time

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Speaker 1: you're in a public area.

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Speaker 28: I'd been in one prison visit where I was alone with.

622
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Speaker 1: A with an officer with a guard.

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Speaker 28: Usually there's some guard sitting right in the very cos,

624
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Speaker 28: you know, listening.

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Speaker 21: To everything which is going.

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Speaker 8: But I found that those people are usually pretty good about,

627
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Speaker 8: you know, money, talk about whatever you want as long.

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Speaker 29: As you're not talking about escaping. Have you ever done

629
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Speaker 29: a prison visit before?

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Speaker 1: Nope, I never have.

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Speaker 29: Excusing love, you cannot bring anything but quarterse don't bring

632
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Speaker 29: anything that much drivers life and this supporter I'm gonna

633
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Speaker 29: get you, so we'll we'll be able to change everything.

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00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 29: So we'll we'll like to spit as early as you can.

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Speaker 29: The reason why is because they have account that happens

636
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Speaker 29: like a level o'clock after you level's gonna be one

637
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 29: o'clock before you get in. You got to get there

638
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 29: like that a nine thirty, you know, So we.

639
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Speaker 27: Can make this and we're meant to happen, it be

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Speaker 27: worth to talk.

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Speaker 22: You gotta go through metal detective and all that stuff.

642
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 19: They're gonna make you take your shoes.

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Speaker 22: You know, you just want to have maybe like a

644
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Speaker 22: roll of corners.

645
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Speaker 15: You can get a cup home for.

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Speaker 19: Something like that out of the machine.

647
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Speaker 14: And you want to be dressed in minimum It's possible.

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Speaker 13: Just like one I did say, I.

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Speaker 27: Need y'all to give you this close to nine. It

650
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Speaker 27: is topble. You gotta have many times to talk.

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Speaker 19: Just send you to talk.

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Speaker 27: Yeah, I'm doing this project. But for all those people

653
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Speaker 27: in Atlanta, you never got dressed. That's talking about the

654
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Speaker 27: Mealman of Jongs, of parents, lost family members, and you know,

655
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Speaker 27: the police all the language didn't give the ball because

656
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Speaker 27: they were like, I got a problem. The same thing

657
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Speaker 27: that was happening in Atlanta nineteen eighty one, that happened

658
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Speaker 27: in the day. The only difference is you got the

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Speaker 27: face of it is trade all mark and all these things.

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Speaker 27: This is why I'm doing is to open up with

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Speaker 27: high socials so it's any good because of Doug and

662
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Speaker 27: make the way to change it. That's what I'm about.

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Speaker 27: Let's take it happen.

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Speaker 1: Time Wayne was anxious to me and so was I.

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Speaker 11: Just as things seem to be going smoothly, I got

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Speaker 11: a phone call from the prison Missillians.

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Speaker 26: See this is Michelle coming home tail from Sake Prisons.

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Speaker 26: I'm speaking with him about your visit. Was Innate Williams

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Speaker 26: that visit for Saturday, Hans the council. Sir, when you

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Speaker 26: get this smssage, please give my call at two to

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Speaker 26: nine eight.

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Speaker 1: Just like that. It wasn't happening.

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Speaker 27: While he's in the lockdown.

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Speaker 26: You under investigation.

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Speaker 12: You will not be allowed to do.

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Speaker 11: I'm not really that familiar with what that means exactly.

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Speaker 11: So does something happen all of a sudden like this

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Speaker 11: morning or something?

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Speaker 26: Just something happened here, So he's on investigation now, so

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Speaker 26: therefore you won't.

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Speaker 1: Be allowed to well, no, one won't be.

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Speaker 15: Allowed to in to him.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that it might be weeks before he

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Speaker 1: can talk or what?

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Speaker 19: I'm not sure, sir. I'm not sure how long it

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Speaker 19: would be before you can talk about the way, sir,

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Speaker 19: there's nothing you could.

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Speaker 11: According to Dwayne Hendricks, Wayne was in the hole. Now

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Speaker 11: I think that meant isolation. He was under some sort

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Speaker 11: of investigation.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, so they came and got him.

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Speaker 21: Uh, last night.

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Speaker 1: But Dwayne said, this was nothing new.

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Speaker 19: Last time, and shit happened.

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Speaker 21: He was in.

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Speaker 22: He was in the hole from maybe like a a

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Speaker 22: month of.

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Speaker 19: Maybe even more than that.

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Speaker 22: When I first got involved with this initially, I went

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Speaker 22: and visited Wayne. I went and I met some of

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Speaker 22: the people that he told me I needed to meet,

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Speaker 22: and I said, well, fuck it, I'm just gonna go

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Speaker 22: and do what I needed to do to get started

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Speaker 22: and start working with Sidney Dorsey. I wrote Sidney Dorsey,

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Speaker 22: I told him who I was. I was exchanging letters

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Speaker 22: with Sidney Dorsey. The next step was to go through

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Speaker 22: the public relations officer for Georgia Department of Correction and

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Speaker 22: I got the form that I needed. I submitted the form.

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Speaker 19: When I made the phone call to see if they

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Speaker 19: received the form, it was a complete total lockdown for

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Speaker 19: all inmate in the Georgia Department of Corrections that no one.

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Speaker 21: Would be able to interview anyone. That's the extent these

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Speaker 21: people are willing to try to go to make sure

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Speaker 21: this ship don't get out. There's multiple people that will

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Speaker 21: end up going to prison, maybe for the rest of

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Speaker 21: their lives because.

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Speaker 19: Of this taint.

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Speaker 1: Next time on Atlanta Monster.

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Speaker 28: Sim Jersey letters. Well, let's you know it wasn't Tamper

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Speaker 28: West because the Georgia State President. Interesting. This is handwritten,

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Speaker 28: which is why it's hard to read. I received your

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Speaker 28: letter dated December fourth, twenty seventeen, and I truly apologize

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Speaker 28: for my delay in responding to you. Please forgive and

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Speaker 28: charge it to my head and not my heart. Best regards, Sydney.

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Speaker 11: and Vanity Set. Audio archives courtesy of WSB News Film

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Speaker 11: and Videotape Collection, Brown Media Archives, University of Georgia Libraries.

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Speaker 11: Atlantamonster dot com or follow us on social media. One

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Speaker 11: last thing, We've set up an Atlanta Monster tip line.

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Speaker 11: Anyone with information, leads, or personal accounts pertaining to the

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Speaker 11: Atlanta child murders can call us and leave a message.

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Speaker 11: The number is one eight three three two eight five

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Speaker 11: six sixty sixty seven. Again, that's one eight three three

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Speaker 11: two eight five six six sixty seven.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 9: I don't think the whole truth will come down, not

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Speaker 9: unless somebody who knows something here's this and opens up.

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Speaker 9: I could be absolutely wrong this whole podcast. The information

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Speaker 9: could be upside down. But if it is, there has

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Speaker 9: to be somebody who knows it is and it will

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Speaker 9: come forward. And it's like a promo, stay tuned, will

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Speaker 9: stay tuned for what.

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Speaker 3: That's also the promo for the next episode me