1 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: Ron An Aian. 2 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 2: You know, one of the advantages of having a scan 3 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 2: tool that will allow you to select PIDs in case 4 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: you're wondering, it's it's so that you can focus on 5 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 2: what you're looking for, but it's also so that it 6 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 2: doesn't slow down the tool. The Car Doctor. 7 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 3: There was two cold non related. 8 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 2: To two codes where because you're telling me you're getting 9 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 2: you're getting multiple system failure two codes wear which module 10 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 2: is that? 11 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 4: It was nothing to do with old white, something to 12 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 4: do with the break and I know I need new break. 13 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 2: Well, now let's back up a second. 14 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to the radio home of ron An Aian, The 15 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: Car Doctor. Since nineteen ninety one, this is where car 16 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: owners the world overturned to for their definitive opinion on 17 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: automotive repair. If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, 18 00:00:58,080 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: pick up the phone and call in. 19 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 2: The garage doors are open, but I am here to 20 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 2: take your call at eighty five five five six ninety 21 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 2: nine hundred and now pee. 22 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:10,199 Speaker 4: Running. 23 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 2: I want to start out this week with a story 24 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 2: from the shop. It was one of those weeks this 25 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 2: week at the shop. We were prepared for it because well, 26 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 2: you know, this was the week of the second full moon. 27 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 2: I think we had a blue moon this month and 28 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 2: a super moon or something, and the moon was it 29 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,919 Speaker 2: was crazy. You know, it's not that big of a story, 30 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 2: but it is to me because I think every vehicle 31 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 2: this week was you know, if the national average is 32 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,839 Speaker 2: two thousand dollars a vehicle, everybody was spending three thousand 33 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: dollars a vehicle. And you start to notice those things, 34 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 2: not because the the the cash register is ringing up, 35 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 2: but because you're seeing yourself. One how did it repairing 36 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 2: cars get to be so expensive? And two? When did 37 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 2: everybody become so agreeable to fix it? And why is 38 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 2: it that they're in such a rush and they seem 39 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 2: to be. I read an article a couple of weeks 40 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 2: back that said the price of the average used car, 41 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 2: and we've touched on it here and there in the show. 42 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 2: The price of a decent used car now is a 43 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 2: minimum of twenty grand. And that twenty thousand dollars car, 44 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 2: I think to myself, what does that look like. Well, 45 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 2: it's four to five years old, it's got somewhere between 46 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 2: fifty and eighty thousand miles on it, and it's you know, 47 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 2: twenty to twenty five thousand dollars, and I said, wow, 48 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 2: when did cars get to be so expensive? You know, 49 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 2: I remember when cars well, I don't remember when they 50 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 2: were first created. Tom does, he's older than me, But 51 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,119 Speaker 2: I remember when cars first came around as stories were 52 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 2: that you know, was designed to be transportation. They were 53 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 2: just designed to you know, catch you a to B 54 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden they became your living 55 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 2: room couch with wheels and creature comforts. Set in a 56 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 2: few cars this week that had heated and air conditioned seats. 57 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 2: One car had heated and air conditioned cup holder, like 58 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 2: really you need that. It's called ice cube, and a 59 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 2: water cooler, you know, a water jug like I don't 60 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 2: get it. But this one Subaru really struck me as 61 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 2: kind of neat this week. One customer he's been driving 62 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 2: it like this for a while and he finally got 63 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 2: he saved up some money and he said, you know, Ron, 64 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 2: I want you to go through the car. I want 65 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 2: you to make it right. And we did. It needed 66 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 2: two rear wheel bearings, both wheelbarriers. One was screaming louder 67 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 2: than the other. It was sort of like a mad 68 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 2: race to see which one was actually gonnail for us. 69 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 2: He'd been driving it that way for a while and 70 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 2: he knew the noise was getting progressively louder. It was 71 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 2: so bad when we got that left rear wheel bearing out, 72 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 2: you couldn't turn it by hand. And we didn't beat 73 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 2: it up taking it out. It actually came out fairly easy, 74 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 2: but it was just so bad in terms of abuse 75 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 2: and lack of grease. Probably wasn't any that you couldn't 76 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 2: turn it by hand. And it needed four wheel brakes, 77 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 2: and it had three calipers. Two were stuck, one was buying. 78 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 2: We did four calipers. It needed front swaybar links. The 79 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 2: rear sway bar bushings were so bad it was like 80 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 2: it's just going going down the road. Did one of those. 81 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 2: It was amazing what a difference, you know, a couple 82 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 2: of thousand dollars and some concerted effort would do to 83 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 2: a car. Because this car sounded night and day better. 84 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 2: And he called me up the next day and he said, 85 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 2: I got to tell you, the car just sounds a 86 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:20,359 Speaker 2: whole lot better. And he said, I think you just 87 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 2: confirmed our belief that we're going to keep this car 88 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 2: another five years. And he said, so what if we 89 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 2: put three four or five thousand dollars in it every 90 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 2: couple of years. He said, it doesn't matter. A new 91 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 2: car is fifty and a used car is and he said, 92 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 2: you know, doesn't it make more sense to just keep 93 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 2: driving that same old car? Kind of makes me wonder, 94 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 2: you know, it's it's funny watching the car culture change 95 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 2: and evolve and how it drives people's habits and what 96 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 2: you're doing with that, and how you're reacting to the 97 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 2: change in the market. I wonder if he will keep 98 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: that car another five years, that would make that twenty 99 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 2: twelve Subaru seventy well fifteen years old. Yeah, it'll be 100 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 2: fifteen years old in five years, sixteen years old in 101 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 2: five years. Cars aren't getting any cheaper, and they're not 102 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 2: getting any younger. You wonder if it's a it's a 103 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 2: future trend, a cycle, you know. I remember reading a 104 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 2: couple of years back that the age of the average 105 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 2: car in the US roads, the age of the fleet, 106 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 2: had reached eleven years. And the writer of this article 107 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 2: was shocked when he discovered that. He made a big 108 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 2: point about it. Well, I think you're about to see 109 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,799 Speaker 2: the age of the average American vehicle get even higher. 110 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 2: I think it's going to hit I think fourteen and 111 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,559 Speaker 2: fifteen years. People are hanging on to the cars longer. 112 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 2: People don't want to do some of the repairs on 113 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 2: the newer vehicles because of the cost. Somebody pointed out 114 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 2: to me this week that they would only buy a 115 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 2: new vehicle if they had an extended warranty plan because 116 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 2: they were so afraid of what would happen if a 117 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 2: computer module failed outside a warranty. It would exceed the 118 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 2: value of the car. Said, well, I don't know if 119 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 2: it'll be that bad, but yeah, it's you know, you've 120 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 2: got to get used to three to five thousand dollars 121 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 2: repair bills on a newer vehicle. It's just it's just 122 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 2: part of the process. And most of that is parts. 123 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 2: We were talking about trends and the costs. On Fridays, 124 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 2: myself and a couple of other guys from the gym, 125 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 2: we stop at a local bagel place. We figured, what 126 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 2: the heck, we worked all month for it, We're gonna 127 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 2: have one bagel and then we go we have bagel 128 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 2: and coffee at seven o'clock after the workout, and we 129 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 2: kind of talk, and you know, they're younger families they're 130 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 2: younger guys, and I'm listening to their stories, and you know, 131 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 2: it's got to be hard for young people today to 132 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 2: make ends meet, to put to put two dollars together, 133 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 2: to feed the family, to keep the car going, to 134 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 2: get back and forth, to work, to do all the 135 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 2: things that you have to do as a family. And 136 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 2: I look at how cars are intertwined into this, and 137 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 2: then I say, maybe it does make sense to put 138 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 2: four or five thousand dollars every once in a while 139 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 2: into an older car that you know the history on, 140 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 2: because you know the history and you know what you're getting. 141 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 2: But then I also have to add in the fact 142 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 2: that you got to have a good mechanic, because if 143 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 2: you have a lousy mechanic, it doesn't work because you're 144 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 2: just going back and repairing the same thing over and 145 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 2: over and over again. And maybe that's the barometer. You know, 146 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 2: it's okay to go back for different things, well, different 147 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 2: things that aren't related to the last thing that broke, 148 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 2: but you're not going back all the time for the 149 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 2: same thing. You know, I'm probably the worst judge or 150 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 2: the hardest judge on my industry because I want my 151 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 2: industry to do good. I want my guys to I 152 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 2: want people out there that represent what I've made a 153 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 2: living at to do well, to keep everybody safe, to 154 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 2: keep everybody on the road and reliable. But it's got 155 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 2: to be hard. It's hard on both sides of the counter. 156 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 2: I think about this all the time. I have a 157 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 2: letter from Steve and se Bec, Maine. Steve writ saying, Hey, Ron, 158 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 2: love the show. I listened every Sunday morning at ten 159 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 2: on WVOM one O three point nine here in se Bec, Maine. 160 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 2: I love listening to your stories about the vehicles you 161 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,559 Speaker 2: work on. I've been working on car since nineteen seventy 162 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 2: eight professionally. I have many cars stories of my own, 163 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 2: and one good one just recently on a suberru. I've 164 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 2: got a good few good manufacturing alternative names, and I 165 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 2: love yours. When I heard last week watching a twelve 166 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 2: thirty four yf webinar, which tell me Steve is all right, 167 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 2: Steve's still attending class. Look at that a guy who cares, 168 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 2: Isn't that wonderful? Four backwards mean driver returned on foot. 169 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 2: Yeah I've heard that, but yeah, I know. I was 170 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 2: working on a Fiat this morning in the shop. The 171 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 2: guy was a clam digger, so you can imagine what 172 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 2: the vehicle smelled like. You know, I got to tell 173 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 2: you cars and smells. I don't know what some of 174 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 2: you people are doing, but taking showers isn't one of them. 175 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 2: So the one. So I have an alternative name for 176 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 2: a fiat. It means found it amongst trash. Have a 177 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 2: great day and thanks for sharing us with us out here. 178 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 2: Kind regards Stevens Beckman. You know, Steve, Uncle Steve once 179 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 2: said to me. He said, Ron, You're gonna know when 180 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,719 Speaker 2: you've reached your pinnacle because when those among you, when 181 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 2: your peers accept you, it means that you're doing well 182 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 2: and you've kind of hit your stride. So, Steve, this 183 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 2: letter means a lot to me. All your letters mean 184 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 2: a lot to me. I should I should interject that, 185 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 2: But every once in a while I hear from the 186 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 2: guy in the bay, and you know what, it tells me, 187 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 2: I'm doing good because, believe me, I want to do good. 188 00:08:58,480 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 2: I want to do well. I want you guys to 189 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 2: enjoy the show, and I want you to be proud 190 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 2: of me because I'm just trying to help represent all 191 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 2: of us, and I appreciate you sharing your thoughts A 192 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 2: five five five six zero nine nine zero zero. I 193 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 2: am Ronn and Andy and the car Doctor, and I'll 194 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 2: be back right after this. You need advice on how 195 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 2: to maintain that classic gt O. Ron is the guy 196 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 2: eight five five five six zero nine nine zero zero. 197 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 2: Here's Ron. Hey, let's get over to Arizona and talk 198 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 2: to Samo. Three buckles, Sabers Sam. Welcome to the Car Doctor, sir, 199 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 2: how can I help? 200 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 3: Hi? Thanks for taking my call on You're welcome? 201 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 2: What's going on? 202 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 3: Black coolant? So it's not sick? You should be more 203 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 3: green yellowish? Right? And it maybe started a couple of 204 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 3: years ago, but now it's really black. And two years 205 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 3: ago I replaced the lower intake four gaskets with stepdated 206 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 3: metal type ones and I also replaced the upper plane 207 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 3: with updated design. Okay, so it's running. 208 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 2: Great, right, it runs good. It's been going on for 209 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 2: a couple of years. Right, it seems to. 210 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 3: Get darker and darker. And I'm not sure if someone, well, 211 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 3: I get it all changes someone accidentally or on purpose? 212 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 3: Dump comes in there. But it's it's not thick though, 213 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:27,839 Speaker 3: so it's boggling me. 214 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 4: So I have a w. 215 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:35,439 Speaker 2: Intake before we go there. You know when you do 216 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 2: when you replace the coolant, are you just draining the radiator? 217 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 2: Are you actually doing a flush, clearing out the block, 218 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 2: the heater, core, et cetera. 219 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 3: Oh, I flushed everything when I this is like two 220 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 3: years ago when I did the lower intake menifold gasket 221 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 3: and the plantum. 222 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 2: Okay, so so you actually get everything out. You got 223 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 2: clear water coming out, and then you fill with fresh cooling. 224 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 3: Yep. 225 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,319 Speaker 2: So just out of curiosity, once you flush the block, 226 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 2: there's water resordue left in there. How do you account 227 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 2: for it? I mean, how do you add your coolant 228 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 2: back in? 229 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 3: Oh? I had a little more concentrated cool. 230 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 2: Okay, that's right answer. I just want to see what 231 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 2: you're thinking. So and then it turns black again, and 232 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 2: how short a period or how long a period of time? 233 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 3: Like over yere, I just started to notice the cool 234 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 3: overflow tank was a little black, and then it just 235 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 3: seems I mean, now it's really black, but it's not tick. 236 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 2: Is the coolant overflow tank new or is it the original? 237 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 3: It's original. I cleaned all that out there. I mean 238 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 3: it was clean coolant, and I look at the oil cap. 239 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 3: It doesn't look milky. The oil doesn't look milky. 240 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 2: What color is the trans fluid? I don't think it's this, 241 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 2: but I just want to be sure red, okay. And 242 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 2: there's no signs of cross contamination, like the trans cooler 243 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,719 Speaker 2: is seeping inside the radiator. And then we could have 244 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 2: the conversation about which way would it go? Higher pressure, 245 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 2: lower pressure? But trans fluid is red. It doesn't look 246 00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 2: like it's mixing with anything from the radiator. 247 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think so, it doesn't look. 248 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 2: Low and same the same thing. Well, and you know 249 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 2: the fact that it's going on a couple of years. 250 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 2: It would have lasted this long. The trans would have 251 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 2: failed after three months. And engine oil looks normally. You 252 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 2: see no signs of anything strange there. It looks just 253 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 2: like normal engine oil. 254 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 3: Yep. 255 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 2: How old are the hoses. 256 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 3: When I redid the lower so two years old, okay. 257 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 2: Because I have seen older GM hoses contribute to black coolant. 258 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 2: So you know that's and that's why i'm you know, 259 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 2: how how clean is clean? This is a case where 260 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 2: the argument can be made for using a coolant exchange 261 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 2: machine and getting all of it out. So my next 262 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:43,599 Speaker 2: comment would be I would take a sample of that 263 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 2: coolant and send it out for analysis and what are 264 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 2: the results? What do the show is in there? 265 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 3: So can they tell you if it's oil or if 266 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 3: it's what. 267 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 2: They should be able to Yeah, Blackstone Labs, you know 268 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 2: where everybody sends their their engine oil for their for 269 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 2: their testing. I would call them and see if they 270 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 2: can do a coolant and analysis test, which I'm fairly 271 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,719 Speaker 2: sure they can, because that way, at least you'll know 272 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 2: what's in there. And you're using this car every day. 273 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 2: It shows no signs, no abnormalities, it runs well, no 274 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 2: check engine light, good fuel economy, good performance, everything. 275 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I love it. Solid engine yep, yep. 276 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 2: So you know, I think I think that will at 277 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 2: least tell you what we're chasing, because obviously it's being 278 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 2: contaminated from somewhere. 279 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 3: You know. 280 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,719 Speaker 2: The only other thing I could suggest is the next 281 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 2: time you want to do a cooling exchange, it's gonna 282 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 2: make I'm gonna make it spend money. Is find a 283 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 2: shop that's got a machine and run it through until 284 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 2: there's actually clean fluid, and then run water through it 285 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 2: until there's clean water, and then just keep going until 286 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 2: you're absolutely certain it's it's spotlessly whistle clean inside out. 287 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 2: But before I go there doing the machine, I'd like 288 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 2: to know what I'm chasing, so I would do I 289 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,839 Speaker 2: would do a fluid analysis to see what they tell 290 00:13:57,880 --> 00:13:58,319 Speaker 2: you it is. 291 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 3: Okay, all right about that? Awesome? 292 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's You're on the right track, you know. 293 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 2: I remember, I remember we had conversation when you changed 294 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 2: the intake on this right. 295 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 5: Yeah you called it. 296 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I talked to I was having a high idol. 297 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 3: It turned out to be the I control nolve. 298 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 2: Right, yep, thank you, sir. You're very welcome you. Let's 299 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 2: know what happened, Sam, you'd be well, let's get over 300 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 2: to Roy in Pennsylvania. Some questions about maintenance Roy. Welcome 301 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 2: to the car doctor, sir. How can I help? 302 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 3: Hey? 303 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 6: Thanks for taking that call round you will. 304 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 2: You're very welcome, sir. What's up? 305 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 5: Hey? 306 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 6: I got two one, I got a question, and I 307 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 6: got a story for you. Can I give you the 308 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 6: story first? 309 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 3: Yeah? 310 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 5: Go ahead, way back. 311 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 6: I'm an old guy, so way back when nineteen sixty six, 312 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 6: my dad bought a brand new Galaxy five hundred convertible. Okay, 313 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 6: three fifty two, three fifty two four battle right, nice 314 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 6: took a car anyway. Sunday mornings, we had to go 315 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 6: to church nine o'clock Mass, we go to wed come 316 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 6: out of Mass because sometimes for a special treatment would 317 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 6: go to Howard Johnson's in Camp, Prussia. This is going 318 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 6: way back now, So we're we're driving to Howard Johnson's 319 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 6: and my dad used to want to blow the carbon 320 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 6: out because he didn't get a chance to drive the 321 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 6: car that much. Well, we're going up this hill and 322 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 6: he's into the gas pedal. You know what the flour 323 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 6: barrels sound like moving that air, and well for the 324 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 6: big baboom. All of a sudden there's all kinds of 325 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 6: noise in the car with the muffort blew out. My 326 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 6: mother turned around and looked at him like what did 327 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 6: you do? 328 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 5: What did you just what did you just do? 329 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 6: And she was yelling and screaming at him, going up 330 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 6: on one side of him down the other. I told 331 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 6: you not to do this. Well, it turns out the 332 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 6: next day she had to go to the convent to 333 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 6: pick nuns up and take them shopping that she couldn't 334 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 6: take them because of the car that way. So we 335 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 6: get home from from and breakfast and my Dad's out there. 336 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 6: We got changed and he's out there, come out and 337 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 6: help me, like he was trying to see if we 338 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 6: can get this this thing put back together. But it 339 00:15:57,800 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 6: didn't didn't work, and my dad got a cold show 340 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 6: for about two weeks because of that. 341 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 2: So well, I'm sorry, but you know what it put. 342 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 2: It put the taste in the bite of performance and 343 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 2: hot rods into your head, didn't it. It gave you 344 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 2: a taste. 345 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, yeah? Four bow oh yeah. 346 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 2: Back in the day, what do you do for a living, Roy, 347 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 2: you're still working. You're retired? 348 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 5: Oh, I retired. 349 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 6: I was a general contractor. 350 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 4: Yeah. 351 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 2: So you know what, So a lot of that working 352 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 2: with your hands came from the sensation of working on cars, 353 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 2: I guarantee you. 354 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah. 355 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 6: We used to tear bolk flags apart, and lawnmowers knew 356 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 6: we were That's what we did, exactly. Yeah. 357 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, So you know what, I'm sure. I'm sure your 358 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 2: mom if she were here, I'm sure she'd tell you. Hey, 359 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 2: you know what, it wasn't so bad. You turned out, okay, kid, Yeah, exactly, 360 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 2: always a good thing. What's your question, kiddo? 361 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 6: So the wife and I were buying our car police. 362 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 6: It's a twenty twenty MTZ with the two liter turbo engine. Right, 363 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 6: So now I keep up with maintenance. I changed the 364 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 6: oil every six months because they only got sixteen thousand miles. 365 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 6: It's three years on it. I put fuel, I do 366 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 6: the beryman's and the gas tank like like you say 367 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 6: to do, right, change the fields and all that kind 368 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 6: of good stuff. But I'm gonna We're gonna buy the car. 369 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 6: And these are two leaders, if I'm not mistaken, are 370 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 6: notorious for some issues with heads or intrusions with exhaust 371 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 6: gas or something. 372 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, they've they've they've got their issues. I mean, bottom line, 373 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 2: stay up on the oil changes. You know, I'm a 374 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 2: believer in the twenty percent rule. If the manufacturer says 375 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 2: cool ands in five years, do it and four. If 376 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 2: they say transfluid at sixty, do it at fifty. You 377 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 2: know that kind of a thing. If enough is good, 378 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 2: more is better, and too much is just enough. Because 379 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 2: I'm sure this is at least while this was probably 380 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 2: a sixty thousand dollars vehicle or is today you know 381 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 2: the period, Yeah, you know the price of the car is, 382 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 2: you know, shows you what the value of the maintenances 383 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 2: so you know, you want to stay on top of 384 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 2: the fluids, and you know, because you're gonna buy it, 385 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 2: maybe you want to consider buying an extended warranty just 386 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 2: to cover the electronics because some of the manufacturers, and 387 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 2: I believe Lincoln and Ford does do that now. We 388 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 2: they'll offer electronics coverage. So if a module fails in 389 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 2: the first eighty thousand miles in eight years, you're gonna 390 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 2: get some kind of protection and coverage because the electronics 391 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 2: is what's gonna cost a lot more nowadays than anything else. 392 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 2: I appreciate the call and the story. 393 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 3: Roy. 394 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 2: If you need more, you know where to find me. 395 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 2: I'm running Andy in the car Doctor. I'll be back 396 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 2: right after this. 397 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 7: Ron's in his own the Auto Zone studio, and he'll 398 00:18:44,520 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 7: be back right after this. Welcome back to the AutoZone studio. 399 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 2: Here's Ron. Hey, let's cruise on over. Let's go see 400 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 2: what Butch is doing in Minnesota. Butch, Welcome to the 401 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 2: Car Doctor. How can I help. 402 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,959 Speaker 8: Ron. It's a pleasure to talk to you. It's a blessing. 403 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 8: Let me just tell you this Ron fit. When I 404 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 8: bought this car, it had forty four thousand's a Chevy 405 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 8: Classic two thousand and five. 406 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 6: Ok. 407 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 8: Just a wonder wonderful car. Seventeen years later, I'll be 408 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 8: seventy five this month and I still have it, and 409 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 8: I put on one hundred and ninety one thousand miles. 410 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 8: Ron didn't have any issues with it. My wife and 411 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 8: I were driving home and we lost our steerring on it. 412 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 8: And I've got a couple of reports from people from mechanics. 413 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 8: He said, it's the rack and pinion gear, which I 414 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 8: know nothing about. I'm just wondering if I should put 415 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 8: money into it, or you're the expert. So whatever you 416 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 8: tell me, Ron, I'm going to go with either way, 417 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 8: I appreciate it. 418 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 2: So thank you. Who's do you have regular mechanic that 419 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 2: sees his car on a regular basis? Butcher? 420 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 8: You know, Ron, I got a wonderful fella. I really 421 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 8: really trust him. He's done work on my vehicle before. 422 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 8: And he quoted me a price with the labor and 423 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 8: all the above, it would cost about eight hundred and 424 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 8: fifty dollars. 425 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 2: Okay, that's cheap, you know. And I say that because 426 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 2: let's let's think of it like this. Let's we'll make 427 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 2: some assumptions which are dangerous. But you sound like somebody 428 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,439 Speaker 2: that will know when I ask you. You've done all 429 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 2: your maintenance. You've been staying on top of oil changes 430 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 2: in fluids and spark plugs and things like that, so 431 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 2: you know what you're dealing with, right. 432 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 8: Yes, sir? 433 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 2: Okay, So let's say you put a fifty Let's say 434 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 2: it's a thousand bucks. Let's say you put a thousand 435 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 2: bucks into this car. Yes, and three months from now 436 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 2: the trans fails. 437 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:53,959 Speaker 3: Yes, sir? 438 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 2: Would you put a trans in it? 439 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 3: No? 440 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 2: Okay, then you're done. 441 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 8: The reason I the way it's running right now, ron 442 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 8: is the I checked the oil all the time on it. 443 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 8: I had I probably have had about a half a 444 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 8: pint between my three tolls and oil changes. I haven't 445 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 8: had any problems with the transmission. You know it's a 446 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 8: sealed transmission. 447 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 2: Sure, but you can't you know, you can't look at Listen, 448 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 2: one day I'm gonna I'm gonna keep going until one 449 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 2: day when I don't. You know what I'm saying. You can't. 450 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 2: You can't look at it. As you know, Eadie, you're 451 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 2: in this for the long haul. 452 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 6: You're not. 453 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 4: Now. 454 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 2: My argument against replacing this car is, you know if 455 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 2: eight hundred and fifty dollars seems like a lot of money. 456 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 2: Why do you get to the price of a new car. Boy, 457 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 2: that's gonna, you know, knock you back a few. But 458 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 2: my argument for you know, keeping this is it's only 459 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 2: eight hundred and fifty bucks, and you know the history 460 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 2: of the car, and I do you know you know 461 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 2: that that has a lot to say. But you know 462 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 2: this is all about this is all about power window regulators. 463 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 2: But all right, I've had people come to me over 464 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 2: the years and oh, Ron, I love this car. Ron, 465 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 2: I want to keep this car run. I want to 466 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 2: keep this car going forever and ever and ever. And 467 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 2: it needs it needs one thousand dollars worth of widgets. 468 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 2: And I asked, I asked him that same question, and 469 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 2: they say, well, yeah, I guess I'd put a transmission 470 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 2: in it, but I wouldn't do anything else. And I 471 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 2: asked him, well, what if one of the power window 472 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 2: regulators broke, Well, I guess I guess I'd do the one, 473 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 2: and then what if the second one broke, Well, I 474 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 2: guess I'd do the second. And by the time we 475 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 2: get up to the fourth power window regulator, I know 476 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 2: where we are because I know if they're really yeah, 477 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 2: like I'm into it for the long haul, or yeah, 478 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 2: you're right, it's time. You know, there's no right or 479 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 2: wrong answer. All right, it's all a role. 480 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 8: You'll just interject one thing, please. The fellow has it 481 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 8: up and up here in northern Minnesota with all the 482 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 8: rust and everything. He's had to do a like a 483 00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 8: little repair on one of the break lines, and you 484 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 8: wasn't sure about the gas lines and the brake lines. 485 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 8: So I'm kind of leaning That's why I called you on. 486 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 8: Whatever you decide or I know I have to make 487 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 8: the decision, but anything you can say to help me, 488 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 8: it'll just kind. 489 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 2: Of make me well. So is rust a factor in 490 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 2: this vehicle? 491 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 8: Now? Now that i'm there's something about the sub something 492 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 8: I don't know, something about the structure. 493 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 2: That the subframe, the subframes, the sub the subframe has 494 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 2: been weakened. 495 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 8: He didn't necessarily come out and say that. He just 496 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 8: mentioned the word subframe, and so I didn't even know. 497 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 8: I didn't even ask him beyond that, I think, I 498 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 8: think you've. 499 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 2: Got to get more information, butch, but if if the 500 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 2: subframe is compromised, it's sort of like the outer hull 501 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 2: of the spaceship. You know, it's it's we've weakened the 502 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 2: structure so we can hang things on it, but then 503 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 2: at what point does the rest of it fail? 504 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 3: Right? 505 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 4: Right? 506 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 8: Well, i'll tell you, Ron, I really appreciate you taking 507 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 8: a call. We're just sitting here drinking coffee, looking at it, 508 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 8: a few tears in the eyes. But it's been such 509 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 8: a wonderful, wonderful vehicle for us, and maybe it's time 510 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 8: to part way, sir. 511 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 2: Well, maybe it's also you get you have to have 512 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 2: the adventure of creating memories with a new one. 513 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 8: You know, I think so life's thanks a million runs. 514 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 2: Life's about the memories. But go make some new ones 515 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 2: and enjoy yourself and enjoy your coffee. You're very welcome, sir. Yeah, 516 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 2: you're very welcome. You're very welcome. You know, it's it's hard. 517 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 2: Where do you Where do you get rid of a car? 518 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 2: And when don't you get rid of a car? And 519 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 2: you know that that becomes the issue. But you see, 520 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 2: the key piece of information there was the rust is 521 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 2: you can't fix rust. I've got three rules on where 522 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 2: I get rid of a car. Overwhelming electrical issues, moisture 523 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 2: damage and rust Because any one of those three will 524 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 2: make a car unreliable. And beyond that, it's just a 525 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 2: steel frame with an engine and a body and it's 526 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 2: all the same. You know, you can you can make 527 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 2: any thing out of anything at that point. The other 528 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 2: factor that comes into effect these days, though, is also 529 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 2: that of what parts are available or not available. Parts 530 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 2: are a huge issue. And you know, would Butch get 531 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 2: another one hundred and ninety one thousand miles out of 532 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 2: that steering rack, Probably not, because that's likely a reman rack, 533 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 2: something somebody's had to rebuilt. I doubt that that's new. 534 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 2: Very few companies are making new anymore. And steering racks, 535 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,959 Speaker 2: steering racks and brake calipers and power steering pumps are 536 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 2: three areas where the industry is falling short, and they 537 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 2: have for the last two years. They're having a real 538 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 2: struggle keeping up with making and rebuilding those particular components. So, 539 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 2: you know, Butch, I think if you're still listening, I 540 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 2: think if you're out there and it's it's got some 541 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 2: rust issues, I think that's the overwhelming factor. And yes, sir, 542 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 2: then it's then it's time. Because the other thing we 543 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 2: could have a conversation about is it's seventy five. Do 544 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 2: you want to be out on a road in an 545 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 2: older vehicle? And then how reliable is it? And you 546 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 2: know how much aggravation do we need? We want to 547 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 2: get you and you and missus butch to point A 548 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 2: and point B safely and reliably. So I think that's 549 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 2: the right call, especially if rust is there. Eight five 550 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 2: five five six zero nine nine zero zero. I'm ronnin 551 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 2: eating the car doctor, and I'll be back right after this. 552 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:29,880 Speaker 2: Don't go away like stop, welcome back. I'm run nading 553 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,640 Speaker 2: the car doctor here at eight five five five six 554 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 2: zero nine nine zero zero. Give us a call, leave 555 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 2: a message if we're not on the air, and we'll 556 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 2: get you in the next live queue or call. Now 557 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 2: we're live, let's go over and talk to Let's go 558 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 2: to Allen and Iowa six ' four Taurus. Allen. Welcome 559 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 2: to the car Doctor, sir. How can I help? 560 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:50,719 Speaker 5: Hello, sir? Yes, right, yes, I just had some new 561 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 5: prres installed on my car and had this car for 562 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 5: a little while. I tried to keep high and tight 563 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 5: and about forty thousand miles ago, new quick struts put 564 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 5: on it and so on, had alignment check. After I 565 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 5: put on the new tires and the passenger side front 566 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 5: to strut on that is basically a fixed situation where 567 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 5: they have in order the alignment. 568 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 3: It was. 569 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,719 Speaker 5: Pretty green on the print out, but it was slightly 570 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,479 Speaker 5: out and the guy said, it's really not bad. But anyway, 571 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 5: that strut needs the upper flange needs to be broken 572 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 5: loose in order to and then I think rotated in 573 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 5: order to provide some room for them to actually get 574 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 5: it back into tolerance. And the gentleman had said, and 575 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 5: I bring my car to this shop. I go to 576 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 5: two different shops, one here where I live and then 577 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 5: one in Omaha where I'm at half the time also 578 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 5: But anyway, but he had said that what he wanted 579 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 5: to do was take a chill and a hammer to 580 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 5: that up the lange and break it off. And basically 581 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 5: I just said, now, let's not do that today. You know, 582 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 5: I'll be back soon enough and maybe I can do 583 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 5: the alignment or whatever. Then so I did some research 584 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,679 Speaker 5: on my own, and long story shortage, all I can 585 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 5: find online is that they would drill it, you know, 586 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 5: drill that out. And my question is, is that is 587 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 5: the way of doing that? Is that a good way 588 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 5: to do it? Or should I go, you know, check 589 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 5: a little check a little bit on and having them 590 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 5: drill that out versus beat on it with a chisel. 591 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 2: Well, I think I think he's talking about breaking the 592 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 2: spot well that holds the top strutmount in position because 593 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 2: something's something's shifted, either either something is bent over the 594 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 2: years or something has sagged over the years and it's 595 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 2: causing it to be out of alignment. The question is 596 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 2: what's out of alignment and how much out of alignment 597 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 2: is it? And is it possible to correct? You know, 598 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 2: some front end companies, from some front end manufacturers like 599 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 2: Moog and there's others, typically will come out with time 600 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 2: saving kits that will allow you to put camber or 601 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 2: cast or adjustment into a vehicle that's not done so 602 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 2: by the factory, you know. So to answer your question directly, 603 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 2: I've seen this before, all right. I'm not a fan 604 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 2: of it. I've seen it. We've done it, all right. 605 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 2: There's been cases where we have no choice. It's not 606 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 2: so much it's it's not as crude as he sounds, 607 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 2: at least not the way we do it. Will you know, 608 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 2: we might break the spot weld and shift the strut 609 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 2: a little bit left right, depending upon what readings we're 610 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 2: trying to get, and then we'll lock it back up 611 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 2: in place. We'll either bolt it back in place or 612 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 2: we'll we'll lock it in place. Sometimes we've welded it 613 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 2: back in place, you know, just replicating what the factory has. 614 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 2: So you know, my first question would be, well, that's 615 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 2: my explanation, but my first question would be how bad 616 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 2: is this out? Is this right on the fuzzy edge 617 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 2: of being green that it's you know, a quarter degree 618 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 2: over the line, a quarter degree. I'm not going to 619 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 2: worry about to the age of the vehicle and the 620 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 2: cost to do this, because sometimes it's just cheaper to 621 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 2: repair the car. I'm sorry to replace the tire in 622 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 2: three years instead of four, if that makes sense. Did 623 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 2: he talk about any of that with it? 624 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 5: Did he? 625 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 2: Did he talk about any of that with you? 626 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, yes he did, And he said, basically, it isn't 627 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 5: that bad. I think it was like a degree out 628 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:18,719 Speaker 5: the right. 629 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 2: Was it camber? Was it castor it was camber? 630 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 5: I believe? 631 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 2: Okay? And is it negative? Is it positive? Did he 632 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 2: say tire in tire out? 633 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 5: I think it was negative. I didn't get a print out. 634 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 5: We just looked at it on the screen. I didn't 635 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 5: get an actual print out, but I think it was 636 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 5: a negative. 637 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 2: You know, I think ultimately the question is, first of all, 638 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 2: you're in a good place, right because you got a 639 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 2: shop you trust, You've got a shop you've been doing 640 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 2: business with, and that here's here's where that long term 641 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 2: relationship really comes in, right. You know, I think this 642 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 2: is a question of, Hey, if this was your car, 643 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 2: what would you do? And you know, you gotta trust 644 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 2: you gotta trust his input. He's the attending physician. I've 645 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 2: seen it done both ways. I've I've I've had the 646 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 2: experience of having to do it one way or not 647 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 2: the other way in terms of doing it or not 648 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 2: doing it. You know, it's really up to that individual. 649 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 2: We see, you know, a degree, it's enough, but you know, 650 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 2: where is it on the print out and the scale 651 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 2: of what's the overall speck? You know, we get up 652 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 2: to three degrees. Yeah, we're doing it. You know, you're 653 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 2: in that You're kind of in that fuzzy gray area 654 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 2: where is it is it justifiable versus the expense of 655 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 2: doing it versus a tire? 656 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 5: Gotcha? Yeah? And that's kind of where he was where 657 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 5: it's like, okay, it's kind of on the edge. But 658 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 5: you know he goes, since along story short, since you 659 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 5: keep a car, you know, pretty good condition this and 660 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 5: that he goes. You know, I he pip up a coin. 661 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 5: Whether he'd do it or not, he was just kind 662 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 5: of on the stance on whether he'd do it. So 663 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 5: so I didn't car. 664 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 2: Car rides straight, car goes down the road straight, steering 665 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 2: wheels level, Oh yes, yeah, yeah, if it handles good 666 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 2: and it's straight and level and so forth, you're gambling 667 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 2: the price of a tire, in my opinion. So that's 668 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 2: that's the biggest thing at stake right here. And you 669 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 2: know what did he say it was going to cost 670 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 2: to move the strut. 671 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 5: Half an hour to an hour? 672 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 2: Right, So there's a hundred yeah bucks, there's one hundred 673 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 2: and fifty bucks. Let's call it price of a tire. 674 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 2: You're gonna have the car longer than four years? 675 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 5: Well, actually, the car, I mean about it with sixty 676 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 5: thousand miles and a couple of years ago I put 677 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 5: on a lot of miles and now it's got two 678 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 5: hundred and thirty five thousand. Every objective is is to 679 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 5: run it till three hundred thousand. 680 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 2: Right, So there's your there's your new tire that you 681 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 2: just put on. Right. You know, it sounds like you'll 682 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 2: get another sixty thousand miles out of that tire and 683 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 2: the car and then you're done. So it's it's it's 684 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 2: a question of safety, Allen. That's that's what it really 685 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 2: comes down to. It's a question of safety. And if 686 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 2: he thinks it's safe to drive and the number is 687 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 2: just over the line, then I think you got to 688 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 2: follow his advice. He's your mechanic. But I would concur 689 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 2: and say, yeah, I think you're okay to let it 690 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 2: go for the moment. Just keep an eye on tire 691 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 2: where all right, sir? 692 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 5: Gotcha? 693 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 8: All right? 694 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 5: Excellent, Thank you. 695 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 2: You're very welcome. You'd be well, I'm running any of 696 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 2: the car doctor. We'll be back right after this. 697 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 4: I came the first resisting. 698 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 2: Let's go to Mike in Pennsylvania. 699 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 4: Mike you there, Yes, I am, thanks for taking my 700 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 4: thanks for taking my Come. Okay, I've got a transmission issue. 701 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 4: I had a rebuilt transmission, UH put in my van, 702 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 4: and when I go down the road, as occasions, it 703 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 4: feels like I'm running over rumble strips, you know, the 704 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 4: umble steps on the road. And so I took it 705 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 4: back to the mechanic and he said, uh. He put 706 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 4: his machine on its OBD and he said that I 707 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 4: have a misfire on it. That it's not the transmission. 708 00:33:55,800 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 4: I have a I have a cheap ob D two 709 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 4: and I put it on and it's showing the transmission slip. 710 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 4: That does show a missfire too. 711 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 2: Well, you've got to fix the misfire first, all right, 712 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 2: So you know this is this is which came first, 713 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 2: the chicken or the egg? What cylinder's misfiring? 714 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 4: But I don't I don't know. 715 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 2: Okay, so listen. First things first, do you have access 716 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,839 Speaker 2: to or can you get another shop just to put 717 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 2: a third scan tool on it. Let's verify that you 718 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 2: know your tool is as accurate as we hope it is. 719 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 2: That it shows a translip issue and a misfire issue 720 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 2: one and the same. Yeah, okay, because you know I 721 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 2: would attack the misfire, and the way I would attack 722 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 2: it is looking at it with a scan tool in 723 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,800 Speaker 2: live data stream? Do I actually see misfires on the 724 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 2: scan tool while the problem is happening? All right? It's 725 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 2: not inconceivable that a chattering or shuddering torque converter can 726 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 2: cause a misfire code to be set when there isn't 727 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 2: one there all right, or or one of significance. The 728 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 2: other thing I would look at is if you can 729 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 2: replicate the shutter. And I'm going to venture to guess 730 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 2: this is likely in third or fourth gear highway speed 731 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 2: fifty to fifty five miles an hour. Does it sound familiar? Yeah, exactly, Yeah, 732 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 2: when the shutter is there. If you can find that 733 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 2: sweet spot, when the shutter is happening and happening and 734 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 2: happening with your other foot, tap the brake pedal, hold 735 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 2: it there in that shutter, tap the brake pedal, does 736 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 2: the shutter go away? If the shutter goes away, that 737 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 2: tells me that the converter is turning off, lock up 738 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 2: or overdrive because it now sees breke switch input and 739 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 2: it's canceling it. And then I would lean more likely 740 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 2: on the converter as a problem, not the misfire. Let 741 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 2: me know what happens. I'm running into the card doctor. 742 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 2: The mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless.