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Speaker 1: Michael Eally gets naked. Calm down, he's fully clothed. He's

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Speaker 1: just on the podcast after this break, Every champion and

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Speaker 1: realized what it is, and it is the experience of

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Speaker 1: putting yourself into the shoes of someone else with extreme

426
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: circumstances that aren't necessarily particular to what your life is about.

427
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: So I will always say this. I think a lot

428
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Speaker 1: of people in my business have a lot of trauma

429
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 1: and childhood trauma, and a lot of people in my

430
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 1: business get into this business because it allows you to

431
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: escape that by stepping in other people's shoes and playing

432
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Speaker 1: other characters. I feel like, for me, because my childhood

433
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: was not riddled with trauma, and my child who was

434
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: very normal, unstable, I think there's a sickness in me.

435
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: That's the drum, right, there's a sickness in me, the druma.

436
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 1: So when I can play like for me, the challenge

437
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: is finding bo Willie from for Color Girls, finding what

438
00:27:55,160 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 1: makes somebody get to this point. That's the journey. That's

439
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 1: why I still love the craft of acting, because I

440
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: get to pursue an unlikable character, a likable character, a

441
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 1: funny character. I mean, I'm I'm doing um the After

442
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: Party right now with Tiffany Hettie, and I will tell

443
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: you straight up and down, this is the most fun

444
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: I've ever had on good I like it here. I

445
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: am at this point in my career feeling like I've

446
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: done it all and I'm just now getting a chance

447
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: to be this The inner silly side is just pouring

448
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 1: out of me in this one, and I'm I'm loving it.

449
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: So you get to reinvent yourself again, right and do

450
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: something that you haven't been able to do. And that's

451
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: how you stay in love with the business exactly or

452
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: just with my particular lane right like business will still

453
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: be the business. I don't have that much control over

454
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: the business, but I do have some control over my lane.

455
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: And what I love about I am right now is

456
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: I'm getting to play and I've told her. I've told

457
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: the produce, I said, nobody has ever allowed me to

458
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: be this way because you come across very sobering, right,

459
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: and you did fall in love with drama. But I

460
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: and Michael, I I made a few jokes you know,

461
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: at essence that when right over your head, or you

462
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: just didn't think I was funny, and that's impossible because

463
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: most people think I'm very funny, and so I defended.

464
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: I think there was just you know, there's just a

465
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Speaker 1: lot going on. You were like, security saved me, so

466
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: you guys. At essence, Michael was trying to escape me

467
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: and I was trying to talk to you about nothing

468
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: that mattered. And I saw him talking to his wrists

469
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: and say, we have a cleaner stage. Ten I took

470
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: it with the l and security came and removed me

471
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: from Michael's presence. It's fine, thank you for doing the show.

472
00:29:53,760 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: People absolutely good side, you know time and I thought

473
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: we had a really good conversation. That's why I was like, yeah,

474
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: you know what they said, you want to do that

475
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: absolutely because I just want to kind of continue where

476
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: we were. We had a great conversation. You would never

477
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: you did not call security, although that is a true story.

478
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: I think Oprah did that to me when I met

479
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: her first, because she is the reason why I do

480
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: what I do. I saw her do it so and

481
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: so when I met her, full tears and and I

482
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: did see her talking arrest and say come get this

483
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: check because get crazy crazy crazy. Hey, everybody, we need

484
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: to take a quick break. Y'all already know what to do.

485
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: Press that fast forward button because it's juicy. It's about

486
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: to get real juicy. See honest act. Every champion and

487
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Speaker 1: carey champion is to be a champion, a champion and

488
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Speaker 1: carry chappion and carry chapion. A champion and carry Chappion

489
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Speaker 1: and carry CHAPPI and sports and then the team making

490
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Speaker 1: make it work. Every champion and carry Chappion is to

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Speaker 1: be a champion, a champion, They carry Chappion and champion

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Speaker 1: they care chi Welcome back to Naked Today's guests. I mean,

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00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: this conversation is d glad he's here. Michael Eally back

494
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: to what I was talking about you being. You were

495
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: saying about you being on your silly side, first and foremost,

496
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: I love that. I'm excited about that because I do believe,

497
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,959
Speaker 1: like I said, you do appear very sobering. But I

498
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: bet you you are goofy as. I'll get out right.

499
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: You have it in you, I've had it in me.

500
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: Like this is the kind of thing where my family

501
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: will be like, that's Michael right there. Oh really, that's Michael.

502
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: I've been silly my whole life. I've been silly in

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Speaker 1: my whole life. And it's interesting because I remember when

504
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: I heard a story about Eric Bannon. I don't know

505
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: if you know that after Eric, and he's an Australian

506
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: actor and apparently he was like a stand up Hulk

507
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: Hogan or something or the Hulk the Hulk, yes, I'm sorry,

508
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: known for like these these dramas Munich and all these

509
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: other dramas and stuff like that. But apparently in Australia

510
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: he was like a slapstick comedy guy before he broke

511
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: it into you know, broke into the mainstream and so

512
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: um like in my head, I am Will Ferrell. Her head,

513
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: I'm I'm Will Ferrell. At home, sometimes my kids will

514
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: see me, do you know, you know, like impressions and

515
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: I'll be very silly. And my wife has seen all

516
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: kinds of characters and she's like, I just hope at

517
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: some point you get to do as you know. That

518
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: I think is the only way where people will kind

519
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: of see just how silly you are a lot of us.

520
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. That's now the first time

521
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: that people say, oh my god, I didn't know, so

522
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: it was so funny. Yes, correct, you're correct, You're correct,

523
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: You're right, and I'm like, oh my, they have a personality.

524
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: There's more I that happens a lot of times in

525
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: our world. They just put you in one way and

526
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: they think you can only do one thing, and that's

527
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: where you become. But I love to see this first

528
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: activity is amazing, so I she to me has really

529
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: been able to stay in her own lane and own

530
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: who she is. Right, this is just me. You take it,

531
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: leave it. You ain't gotta like it, and and there

532
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: you go. That's it. You know, I respect because people

533
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: can't move that way. She's unapologetically herself. And if you

534
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: don't respect that or you can't handle it, that's really

535
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: your problem, really your problem, you know, not hers. And

536
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: I think she's aware of that, you know. And I

537
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: love that about her. And you know, I haven't done

538
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: I've never worked with her before. We've met a few

539
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: times and she literally just caught me up and was like, hey,

540
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: I want you to come through this. And I read

541
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: it and I was like, thank you. Nobody nobody thinks

542
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: of me. It was like, I think you're funny. Let's

543
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 1: do it. Okay, I'm excited. I want to talk about

544
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: Reasonable Doubt. Um, the show that is premiering September twenty

545
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 1: on Hulu ONYX Collective, right or is it on x Hulu?

546
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: How do you say it? No, it's the unex Collective

547
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: and Hulu and Hulu Times got the Times. Everything is

548
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: the Times, Okay, ex Collective, Times, Hulu, UM, which I

549
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: think is gonna be amazing. I'm gonna get to that

550
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: in a moment, but I want to go back to

551
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: I want to correct me if I'm wrong. Because when

552
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: you start describing why you act and what and what

553
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: drew you to it, and using the description of mo

554
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: Betta Blues and how it made you feel, it made

555
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: me feel listening to you feel right, That's why you

556
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: do what you do because it's um. You can feel,

557
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: it's tangible, your passion, your love for what you do.

558
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: You can feel it. You were nominated. I don't know

559
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: if you win an if you want but nominated for Globe. Yes,

560
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: did you did you win? Bastards? That's make bastards, um

561
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: sleeper sell, Yes, bastards who'd you go up against? I

562
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: don't even remember that they were all bastards too. Um.

563
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: And that's me quoting, not not Michael. He's a sweet guy.

564
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: He'd never say that. Yeah, do awards matter to you

565
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: and this business? Do? Like for someone such as my

566
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 1: I would just say for me, I worked really hard

567
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: and when I when people don't acknowledge it in certain instances,

568
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: not most like percent, at the time, I'll give a

569
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: damn because as long as I feel good about it.

570
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: But there could be an instance where I'm like, how

571
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 1: I feel a way? Did you feel away? I think

572
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: there was a time, maybe in the beginning, and I

573
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: don't know why. Um. I think it's it's how we're conditioned,

574
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: more than anything else, is to regard these awards with

575
00:35:52,880 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: such reverence that, um, we you know, we strive, we push,

576
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: we do all of these things. And when you start

577
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: to take a a more scientific look at the business, UM,

578
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 1: what I have learned is that in a lot of ways,

579
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: sometimes so Tom Cruise might be, you know, at one

580
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: point he was the biggest movie star in the world.

581
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: Then it became Will Smith. Uh, then it became Dwayne

582
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: the Rock Johnson, whatever you want to do, blah blah

583
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Right. So, there's two ways to look

584
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: at your career. You can have a award worthy career

585
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: where you maybe won an award, or you want an Oscar.

586
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: In my business, you want an Oscar or you want

587
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: an Emmy fantastic, where are you in twenty years? My

588
00:36:54,480 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: point is, I know actors who won awards, the big

589
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: guest night of the year, the Oscars, everything, and now

590
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: they're either struggling financially, the business is no longer doing dramas,

591
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: so they're no longer as relevant, right um, and or

592
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: they're going to jail right So, and then I'm gonna

593
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: turn this into a sports analogy, because you know the

594
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: sports we are now at a time when an award

595
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: is great, it will help me make more money, fantastic,

596
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: I'll take it. Great. But my worth in this business

597
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: is not defined by a statue. My worth in this

598
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: business is determined by my ability to stay in it,

599
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: to have long jevity, to continue to feed my family.

600
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: That is where my worth comes from. My worth is

601
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: when I go to Essence and I meet my audience

602
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: face to face and they still got love from me,

603
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: and they still want to see me on the screen.

604
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: That to me is where my work comes from. And

605
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: not I mean in terms of the business and and

606
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: and I cannot worry or be concerned about whether or

607
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: not the powers that be in Hollywood lift me up

608
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: on a pedestal for one night and say you to me.

609
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Because that won't last. We've

610
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: seen it a thousand times, especially for black people that

611
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: have won the Oscars. Look at it so deep. I

612
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 1: say it all time. I'm like, all right, you get it.

613
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 1: Then you start working. I'm like, how did that work?

614
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: There's a there's a you get it, and there's typically

615
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: a decline. But it's crazy. Do you do you not

616
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: understand it? Or is there a reason to it? I'm

617
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: curious as to why that is. Do you think? I'm

618
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: pretty sure you put some thought into that. I'm mean,

619
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: you know, I think in in certain situations, and this

620
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: is not the case all the time obviously, and not

621
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: everyone's career has has declined afterwards, But um, I think

622
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: in certain situations. Um, you peeked mm hmm, I do

623
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: you like it? That performance? Was it? That was your

624
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: that was the one you were born to play. And

625
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: it's like you peeked and you can. You'll get a

626
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: couple more jobs, but nine times out of tendance, your

627
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: agents and your managers who are telling you to take

628
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: these money jobs because now you got the you know,

629
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: you got the momentum, so they'll tell you take these

630
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: money jobs. And next thing you know, you're like, you

631
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: got flops. Now you know what I mean? You went

632
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: from an oscar winner to a series of flops and

633
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: within three years. Because this business always focuses on the

634
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,919
Speaker 1: next person, they're given those up to the next pert

635
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: like they're just who's next, Who's next, next, Who's next?

636
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: Because this person doesn't have staying power their minds, when

637
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: in reality, you know, it just kind of chose the

638
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 1: wrong movies. But too in their defense, they were going

639
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: for the fund. Yeah, I want to get paid. Who

640
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: don't want to get paid? Who don't want to get paid?

641
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the sports situation. We just went through

642
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: NBA free agency, right, so I remember all the commentators

643
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: talking about these cats don't want to ring when rings,

644
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: they're staying in their markets. They let me tell you something,

645
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: two hundred plus million dollars to stay in a town.

646
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: And you say, well, guess what, you might not be relevant,

647
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: or you might not uh, you might not be chasing

648
00:40:50,880 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 1: the ring. You're right, correct, absolutely right, two d exactly.

649
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: I was like some two of those, some cats get

650
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: two of those contracts, like you, You do not turn

651
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: down two hundred and fifty million dollars to go join

652
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: a team and hope that you win a ring with them,

653
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: because that's just not smart. Well, Michael, I disagree. I

654
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: got a little pushback. That's what I disagree. I agree

655
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: that that is not smart. But I take someone and

656
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: I've worked with him, and I think he's a nice guy.

657
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: I consider my friend the Rock. I considered DJ my friend.

658
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: I guess, like, hey, I could see him walking out

659
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 1: here like hey DJ, not like hey come over and

660
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: eat with the family. But I bet if I had

661
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: to guess, after he's made all of this money, all

662
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: he would like is a role that proves he is

663
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: made it or valued for that one night. I think

664
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: he probably would say no. But I think I think

665
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: when people get it the other way, well, they are

666
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: huge box office superstars, but Hollywood's elite snubs them, or

667
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: maybe they don't feel that they have the respect of

668
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: their peers. Then they're like, all right, this one more

669
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,879
Speaker 1: thing will add to my legacy. Same as in sports. Yes,

670
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: that's why some of the older cats, after they've made

671
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 1: their money. I know a couple of guys who would

672
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 1: have came to the Lakers and we're playing with Lebron

673
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: hoping they would would have got a chip, right, um,

674
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: because they've made that they did that one or maybe

675
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: they had one and a half two hundred million dollar contracts,

676
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 1: if you know what I mean. Right, they've got the

677
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 1: they got the bread. Now I just need a ring.

678
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: Is that is that? Isn't that the fair way to

679
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: look at it? Sometimes too, I would if I had

680
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: a two million dollar contract and I was done and

681
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: I could go and I didn't get a ring during

682
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: that time, because some people do get their ring during

683
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: that You know, y'a lucky, He's great. Any time you win,

684
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: you're lucky. I don't care what anybody said, or anytime

685
00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: you're lucky. Because injuries create havoc on the best of teams.

686
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: We've seen it first game. So if you make it

687
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: all the way it's a league of attrition. If you

688
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: need it all the way, great, So you're lucky you

689
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: won the you won the chip. Congratulations. Someone like Joannice

690
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: he got it after he took his big contract, right, yeah,

691
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: yeah he did. Yeah. So if you take the big contract,

692
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,919
Speaker 1: you can still possibly get a ring. Just because you're

693
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: taking the big contract doesn't mean that your team won't

694
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 1: get there. It doesn't. It's possible Denver might make it

695
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: next year. Perhaps they might make it. Denver got a squad.

696
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 1: Perhaps you're talking to a die hard like your fan.

697
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know nothing. I'm completely understanding the West.

698
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: The West is stacked and anything can happen autely any

699
00:43:53,800 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 1: thinking you correct, I'm delusion. The idea though that, um

700
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: you know, you get it out. But if I get it,

701
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 1: if I took it hard a big contract, yes, after

702
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 1: that contract, I'm gonna I can ring hunt all I want. Great,

703
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 1: But if I haven't had a ring and I get

704
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: this opportunity to get a contract, or I've got an

705
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: opportunity to work for let's say forty million dollars, which

706
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: is still a lot of money, but in NBA salaries,

707
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: it's just not compared to the two you. We all

708
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: know now with the way that the world works, you

709
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: just don't turn down and pay day like that unless

710
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,959
Speaker 1: it's your second. And even as your second, it's still

711
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: hard to think about not taking that money because you're

712
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: setting yourself up. Your career as a as a as

713
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: an athlete is over at like you know, if you're

714
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 1: lucky enough, that is lucky if you can yes, exactly right, Yeah,

715
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 1: if you're loving to play that long your career is over.

716
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: What do you do for the rest of your life?

717
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: What does your family do for the rest of your life? Well,

718
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: if I got two, I'm saying I'm going I'm not

719
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 1: worried about it. But wait, let me ask you this acting.

720
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: Someone comes to you today, Michael, this role was guaranteed,

721
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: Oscar guaranteed. The role that you've been waiting to play.

722
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: This is your role. But so you can't take this

723
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: movie that films exactly at the same time, they're offering

724
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: you thirty million dollars. Okay, that's more than Tom Cruise

725
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: makes movies. That's what I'm saying, million dollars. I'm going

726
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: to take that money because I'll never make that if

727
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: I get the statue you're in the statue. The statue.

728
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: Here's the other thing, the statue. When they tell you

729
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: it's guaranteeing Oscar caliber work, Well, here's the difference. Right.

730
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: What I do requires me to not only perform wealth,

731
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: the director, the editor, the deep, the lighting, the everything's

732
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,720
Speaker 1: got to come so all these people gotta come together.

733
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to tell you this is there

734
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: is no such thing as an individual who earned it,

735
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. There's so many things that

736
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: play into that working. The director can really screw up

737
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: the movie and post see it being an amazing performance.

738
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: They can screw I've seen a movie and post. The

739
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: studio can screw up the movie and post and you're like, Yo,

740
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: this was my Oscar shot and it's like, yeah, you

741
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:55,760
Speaker 1: should have taken the thirty five million. Hold on, guys,

742
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 1: he's gonna go with the thirty five US is closing

743
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: the deal. Let's get the paperwork done by the damn

744
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: deal million dollars. And I know I get it that

745
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: I will, but I will be set. I'm you like, look, look,

746
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: I'm not ashamed. I'm getting my bread um and I'm

747
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: right there with you, so I understand. Yeah, I believe

748
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not hold you to any standard. I

749
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: would not hold myself too. I agree wholeheartedly. Tell me,

750
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: tell me your teams. Who are your team's football if

751
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: you have them football basketball. I don't have teams anymore.

752
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: Who's your favorite player on basketball history currently presently passed football?

753
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: Um is a receiver from the old Washington team. His

754
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: name was Art monk Art monk Uh. He was my

755
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: idle growing up in a lot of ways. He was

756
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: he was he was quiet, and he played hard every week.

757
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: But you never heard any stories about him. You never

758
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: heard him, you know, in the club's popping bottles. You know,

759
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: none of that stuff that a lot explains who you are, right,

760
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 1: That's why you liked him? No, I mean I guess

761
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: I could. I didn't know that at the time. He

762
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: was just and he just had great hands. Like I

763
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,919
Speaker 1: watched him every Sunday religiously. He just had great hands.

764
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 1: He made the kind of catches I imagine making as

765
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: a you know, third grader, and you know, like it

766
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 1: was just like I wanted to be him. And then

767
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: as I got older, as when I realized I never

768
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: saw any drama with him ever, and I had so

769
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: much more respect for him because he played his career

770
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: and played it all in one team, and then he

771
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 1: went away quietly. You know, some people don't go away

772
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: quiet Some people got to stick around. You stick around,

773
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: and then that leads to other problems. You know, some

774
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: people can do it with grace. Not everybody, but he

775
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 1: is incredible. And when I got an opportunity to talk

776
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,439
Speaker 1: to him on the phone one time, Um, I gotta

777
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 1: opportunity to talk to him on the phone one time,

778
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: and you know, it was it was just such an

779
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: honor to to speak to him. And he was just

780
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: what I thought he would be, like, very humble, very

781
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: you know, cool, And he was a fan of my work.

782
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: And the same thing happened with Doug Williams, the same

783
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: thing happened with Doug Willie. I could not believe that

784
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: these guys were fans of my work, These guys who

785
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,240
Speaker 1: I grew up idolizing, they were fans of my work.

786
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: So for football, you know, I'd say definitely Doug Williams

787
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: and Art Month growing up. And then favorite all time

788
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: basketball player probably probably I have to say Bill Russell. Really, yeah,

789
00:49:56,080 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: that's very surprising. I grew up with Jordan trust me.

790
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: But with Jordan's I give it athletic ability, all of

791
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: that stuff. And and if you'd ask me this question

792
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 1: years ago would have been Jordan's hands down. I think

793
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: Bill Russell because through his through time, I've learned what

794
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: he did historically, you know, I learned about you know,

795
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 1: his commitment, Alie, Jim Brown, these guys had a certain

796
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: level of you know, uh kareem abdulgar like their commitment

797
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: to their community. I think is um. I have to

798
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: give that the weight that it deserves. And again I

799
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: don't necessarily I have no problem with people who did right.

800
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: I have no problem with the people who I don't

801
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: think you're so you have to speak up all the time.

802
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: I don't. It's you know, I'm just saying for me.

803
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: Bill Russell lived in an era where he was called

804
00:50:55,160 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: the N word, like at work, like is at work

805
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: making a basket, you know, like it was a different time.

806
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 1: And the fact that he coached and played and got

807
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: a leven and got a levin Levina, no one would

808
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: no one would debate you on that. Who is is

809
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: who understands the history of basketball? In fact, he is

810
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: probably forgotten. So I love that you say that and

811
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: even and Doug Williams. I mean, what a great soul

812
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: to this day, you know what I mean, like a

813
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: wonderful human. So I think that's interesting that you pick

814
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: those people. As for Bill as concerned, and I'm one

815
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,879
Speaker 1: of those folks that I'm in sports. I know he's great,

816
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,240
Speaker 1: I know he has eleven. I know he's anything. Because

817
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: I didn't see it. I'm a visual person, like I

818
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: didn't experience it, so I can't speak to it. I'm

819
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: very much like I need to have the experience with everything,

820
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: So I understand. So I appreciate you saying that. Yeah,

821
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 1: and in that way, Jordan is to go. I mean

822
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: Jordan is to go because I saw him dominate and

823
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: you can't you can't deny that. But I still think

824
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: that his journey, if you can put it bluntly, was easier.

825
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: Oh really yeah, okay, because because of off the court

826
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: you referring to write, yeah, he didn't, I mean, can

827
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: you imagine. Okay, let me let me put it. Put

828
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: it in perspective. Okay, if I were to work tomorrow

829
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 1: and a grip or an electric or somebody in the

830
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: crew was like, hey, they can move out the way. Yeah, Well,

831
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 1: people are getting beat up, dead, fought different fires, and

832
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: I was the star of that movie, like this is

833
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: what Sydney Portier and then would deal right, Like you

834
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: came on set as the headliner and somebody in the

835
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: crew was just like just giving you racial like stress

836
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: and you still have to go out there and perform. Mhm.

837
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 1: You got to weigh that into the equation. It's it's

838
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: not even, it's not even. It's invaluable, right, you usually

839
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: talking about what it's invaluable. No, you're right, you're right,

840
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: And to go out there and dominate, Get eleven and

841
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: still I mean he was in Boston, like Boston still

842
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: still funk to this day this day. Yeah. So I

843
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: have a question then, because you you you know the

844
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: sports like I know the sports. No, you know that

845
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: much better than But I'm just now I'm getting I'm

846
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 1: now I'm getting messy. This Kyrie, this Kyrie Irving need

847
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 1: to be a Laker? No? And why and why sir?

848
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: Do you think? No? Okay? And by the way, by

849
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: the time this actually right, by the time it's actually

850
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: airs will probably know perhaps maybe we won't, right, but

851
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: let's get messy. I call I. My take is that

852
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 1: We're always going to get a part time Kyrie. If

853
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: summer sol Stist doesn't go right, he's not coming to work.

854
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 1: If the stage is put in the right place in

855
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,399
Speaker 1: the house and the moon says no and the sea

856
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: says yes, we might have him on the bench. I

857
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: don't know. He is his he's on his own thing,

858
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:25,760
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I think that the experience

859
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: with the current roster has proven itself a bit of

860
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: a disaster um. And I say that, you know, with

861
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: the full understanding that people get hurt. Okay, I understand

862
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:44,280
Speaker 1: that people get hurt, But as a GM in this business,

863
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: you have to craft your squad with that in mind.

864
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: Like if people go down, who's the next man up?

865
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: And I feel like the Warriors seem to kind of

866
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: get back. B Myers really gets that because when you

867
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: look at the second tier guys, if you will, they

868
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: are ready to ball, and everybody's excited about commit and

869
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: Wiseman and you know what I mean, because it was

870
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: Draymond was the second tier guy on the team. Harrison

871
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,720
Speaker 1: Barnes was the second tier guy on the team. They

872
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 1: they really found some really great diamonds in the rough.

873
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: They really did and and I think a lot of

874
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: that is it can be attributed to UM, the great

875
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: Popovitch way of doing things, which was, yes, you have

876
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: your stars, but you always run deep. You know what

877
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,399
Speaker 1: I mean, you always run deep. You got your six

878
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 1: seven eighth man off the bench, they can start somewhere else, right.

879
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 1: I think the Warriors mentality kind of kind of brings

880
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: that home. UM Phoenix had that UM as well, but

881
00:55:54,239 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 1: I feel like m Kyrie, I think they were and

882
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: if Kyrie came, Russell Westbrook would have to go and okay, yeah,

883
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: I just I mean, if you do your hands up

884
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 1: by you in the front office and you're so frustrated

885
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: right now. I really don't know the inner workings, but

886
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: I was led to believe that Kyrie left Lebron in

887
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: Cleveland so that he could and the idea that he

888
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: now wants to pair back up with him. I don't

889
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: know if that's real. I don't know if that's speculation.

890
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 1: I genuinely don't have the bandwidth to care. But I

891
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: feel like, for the sake of answering this question, I

892
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 1: think the Lakers have had enough drama. I feel like

893
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 1: you're correct that was the perfect response. But for whatever reasons.

894
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: We're in a season of drama. We love it and

895
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,800
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is as the world turns.

896
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: It is Jennie's sending out subtweets. I'm like, when did

897
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 1: we get to the sub tweeting? When did the co

898
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,479
Speaker 1: owner get to the sub tweeting? When did we get here?

899
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: Magic quick? Because he got mad? I just I don't know.

900
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: I you know, I look and all I know is

901
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna be die hard. I'm still so if

902
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: you ever hear me tweet or say Lakers in five

903
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: or six, I'm being delusional because I know that we're

904
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: crazy trash right now, and I don't like to talk

905
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: about it, and I too agree. I know, I just

906
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: feel like it's too much. It's well, here's the thing.

907
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,439
Speaker 1: Playing in l A. This is what I will say.

908
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: We never take about that. Playing in l A is

909
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: like it's not like anything else you've experienced. Even if

910
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: you're a Clipper, If you are a Laker and you

911
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: are even the tenth Laker and nobody even knows your

912
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: name and you making League minimum, your world has turned

913
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: upside down by this world. Right It's like I just

914
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: got off the boat. I came to Hollywood, everybody that

915
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: I loving the door and knows my name talking to

916
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: me while I'm on the court. It's absolutely impossible to

917
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: be focused. I can tell you. These players would be

918
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: like I saw you at the last game sitting with

919
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: and I'm like, that's why we lost. I was like,

920
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: how the hell do y'all know every They know everybody?

921
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: Because it's so like who's who? So we're so it's

922
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: distracting and we are a drama. But we don't need Kyrie.

923
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: I agree it is. I mean, you know, I think

924
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: he should he should figure out and do it his way.

925
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: I think he's determined to do it his way, so

926
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: go do it your way. I have no problem whatever.

927
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: Whatever he wants to do, he's gonna just do it.

928
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: Um what's gonna be interesting is to see if my

929
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: my my homeboy, because you know, I'm from the area,

930
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: but I want to know where Kb's gonna go if

931
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: he's doing it, because I don't I don't see I

932
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: don't see how he's gonna get out of it. I

933
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 1: just you know, I'm gonna go back to your your

934
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: favorite basketball Bill would never do this. Jordan's wouldn't put

935
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: us through this. My favorite player, Kobe wouldn't put us

936
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: through this. These new fangled new media players are really

937
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 1: breaking my heart. Well here's the other thing, Karen, um

938
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: different business. Oh, it is a different business. Their corporations

939
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: playing now, they're not. They're they're full on corporations out

940
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: there playing the Yes, you are correct, so smart, so smart,

941
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: so smart smart. They're not, they're not. It's not so

942
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: much about ring chasing as it is about finding a

943
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: suitable fit for me in my brain and my you

944
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and my this and my that,

945
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: and when you go into a locker room. Every time

946
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: you see a team win a championship, every time, especially

947
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: in the NBA, what is the common theme every time?

948
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: Team take had it? Golden State had it? Um, the

949
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: Lakers had a bit of it in the bubble. Yeah sure,

950
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 1: team basketball, sure, sure, surely good running the bubble because

951
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: they had the defensive players in Caruso and and and

952
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 1: what's his name Carl will Pope, And we decided, okay,

953
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: I can't okay, okay what I'm saying, yes, yes, yes,

954
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: as well as a team and then you you know,

955
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: you're making me want to fight, okay, reasonable doal hard

956
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: turn Yeah, I've seen clips obviously trailers sitting with you

957
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 1: and Romola, who is the creator, and also I guess

958
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 1: she's the show runner as well. Um and McKinley. Uh,

959
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: he's also another actor. I didn't get to meet the lead,

960
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 1: but a good friend of mine knows her and says

961
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: she's just absolutely amazing. Um, and you spent the whole

962
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: time being effusive towards everyone about how great they were.

963
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 1: But I want to know what your role is, specifically, um,

964
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 1: in this upcoming series Reasonable Doubt, that I think is

965
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 1: going to be a huge hit, Like it feels like

966
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: a hit to me. Well, I uh, from your lips,

967
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: God's ears. I hope you're right, uh uh, because I

968
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 1: need thirty five games. You like? You like Harry the

969
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: super the Movie Star Tom Cruise does not make million

970
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: and ultimately ultimately, but you like the original o G.

971
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: Superstar Movie Star does not carry Okay, got it? But

972
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like, um, you know, look

973
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: Reasonable Doubt. I think it's important to know that my

974
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 1: character Damon is someone from Jack's past and he comes

975
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 1: into her life and you have these moments where, um,

976
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: you see them start to push the boundaries of what

977
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 1: could have been, and I think a lot of us

978
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: in this world have someone in our lives who we

979
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 1: go back to, you know, despite where we are now,

980
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 1: we always go act and think, I still wonders how

981
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: my life would have turned out if I had ended

982
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 1: up with that person. And I think that is if

983
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 1: you're talking about my specific care not the show per se,

984
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: but my specific character. I represent that person in her

985
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 1: life and that complicates things. That complicates things in a

986
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 1: very strong way, very strong intimate way. So reasonable doubt

987
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 1: is based off loosely based off the entertainment attorney Sean Holly, right,

988
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 1: who is you know, people may remember her. She would

989
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 1: be with like, um, what was the redhead girl that

990
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 1: just lindsay lindsay yes and thank you because I don't

991
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 1: know all the names, but she represented people like that.

992
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 1: She was very But I'm assuming that a lot of

993
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 1: it is drawn from the creator's life as well. Romola,

994
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: which is this beautiful black woman who I think is amazing,

995
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: Um and you are It sounds like trying to holler

996
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 1: at Jackson. She's already married, she's got a whole new life,

997
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 1: she got a whole new husband, and you you coming

998
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: in there trying to break up a happy home is

999
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 1: what I'm able to deduce. Am I wrong? Well here

1000
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 1: there's a thing, okay, two things. One you can never

1001
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 1: break up a happy home. Let's put it out there

1002
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,919
Speaker 1: because I know where people are. I rememb where people

1003
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 1: are gonna go with this, because you know, the same

1004
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: thing happened on bel Air. Everybody tried to say I

1005
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 1: was trying to get with and Viv and everything else

1006
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 1: happy home. I was not trying. You know. It's like

1007
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 1: and Mr Steel, your girl, I saw all of me,

1008
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: saw at all, and I'm and then people realize, oh,

1009
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 1: he wasn't okay, yeah, because you jumped to the conclusion,

1010
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But but you also did

1011
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 1: that because you saw that the home wasn't very happy.

1012
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 1: He thought maybe he could squeeze in there. That's really

1013
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: what it is. So what happened, what happens in in

1014
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 1: reasonable doubt is you know, uh so Emmayati Cornaldi who

1015
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 1: plays Jack's the league she and her husband played by

1016
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 1: McKinley Freeman. Um, they are, um, not in the best

1017
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 1: of places. They're figuring it out, they're they're they're not

1018
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 1: in the best of places, and so um, you know

1019
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 1: again that creates a bit of an opening for you know,

1020
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 1: her to wonder, um about this this damon? You know

1021
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: what I mean? It creates it, you know, well what

1022
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 1: happens will how would mind what we're you know? Did I?

1023
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 1: You know? And and that is that is um, that

1024
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 1: is all her doing. I just want to put it

1025
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 1: out Mr. Still young man is not in this carry

1026
01:04:51,960 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 1: do not attack him? Makes a choice. I don't for sure,

1027
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: you know, ladies. In short, don't watch this thinking about

1028
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 1: what happened to old poop pook and make meeking them

1029
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 1: if you were listening, I don't just start watching Reasonable

1030
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 1: Doubt and start I know you have him saved under.

1031
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 1: Do not answer, Do not call this, do not call.

1032
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 1: Do not answer, ladies, this is not what we're doing,

1033
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: because it's not Michael Eally on the other end that's

1034
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 1: gonna pick up. Okay, my character he's a problem. I

1035
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 1: can tell you that he's definitely a problem. Does he

1036
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 1: become a problem, well you got to open the door. Yeah,

1037
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 1: you're right. Okay. So I'm looking forward to seeing it

1038
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 1: Reasonable Doubt. It's going to be on Collective Times Hulu,

1039
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 1: so make sure you check it out. I have taken

1040
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 1: too much of your time. I've enjoyed myself immensely. Thank

1041
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 1: you so much, Michael Ely for joining us. We appreciate it.

1042
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 1: Harry was a pleasure, as always a reasonable doubt. Check

1043
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 1: it out. I think the date he told me Septem

1044
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 1: do not forget it. I don't know how I remember that.

1045
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 1: I know how I remember that because he find But

1046
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 1: check it out. The cast, from what I've been able

1047
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 1: to tell, seems like some really amazing people, very kind,

1048
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 1: loving people, easy people, but they seem to really have

1049
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 1: something special. I think we got a hit. I think

1050
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 1: we got a true hit. I said it during the podcast,

1051
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 1: and I'm saying it for y'all glob support. We need

1052
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 1: everyone to watch all the things that we do in

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