1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: Up next, Out Loud with Gianno called Well. Part of 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: the beginning with research. I'm I bright to the Capitol, 3 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: big tech bands, Donald Trump and Republicans wonder where to 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: go from here? Today I dig into all the chaos 5 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: of last week. This is Out Allowed with Gianno Caldwell. 6 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: Welcome back to outlliwed with Gianno Caldwell. We've got so 7 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: much to get through this episode after a week that 8 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: we won't soon forget. My guest today is here to 9 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: break it all down. Her name is Liz Willer. She's 10 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 1: an author, TV hosts, and conservative political commentator. From twenty 11 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: she hosted the popular show Tipping Point with Liez Willer 12 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: on One American news network. In nineteen Liz published our 13 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: first book, Tipping Points, How to Topple the Left House 14 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 1: of Cards. We're going to discuss all the big news 15 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: that everyone's talking about in the path forward for the 16 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: Republican Party. Let's go Well, welcome to the show. One 17 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: of my very good friends, Liz Whiller, only for a 18 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: number of years. So excited to have you. You You wanted 19 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: the smartest people I know, and so excited to have 20 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: you on Outlow with Gianno called Wall. How are you 21 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: doing Giano. Thank you so much for having me. I'm 22 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: so excited to be here. And it is true. We've 23 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: known each other almost since the beginning of both of 24 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: our respective political careers. We were sort of up and 25 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: comers together, so it's been really fun to watch your 26 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: career blossom. And look where we are now. This past week, 27 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 1: we saw something that our country never expected. We saw 28 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 1: a riot at our our US capital. Um. There's been 29 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: a lot of conversation in terms of what that means 30 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: to our country. Uh, it's been condemned from leaders nationally 31 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: and globally in terms of President Trump encouraging his supporters 32 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: to go to the capital. Of course, we know that 33 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: he didn't tell them to go and riot or breaking 34 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: through the capital. We know that that's that's not the case. Um, 35 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: But he has very passionate supporters and certainly there was 36 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: the people's business going on at that time. And in 37 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: terms of CENTERFI in the election, I've myself said President 38 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: Trump should have not and or is just supporters to 39 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: go there because you just never know what they're gonna do, 40 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: especially at a time like that. We'll show reaction to 41 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: what happened at the Capitol. Well, I think condemnation is first, 42 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 1: you know, that needs to be said first, and this 43 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: should be a nonpartisan, non political thing. When people commit 44 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: violence in the name of political differences, that is unequivocally wrong. UM, 45 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: and I commend actually the entire conservative movement and the 46 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: entire Republican Party for recognizing that immediately. You can contrast 47 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: that with how the left responded this summer to the 48 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter riots, the Antifa violence, burning cities, you know, Kenosha, 49 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: for one, Milwaukee. Um, there wasn't condemnation. There was almost 50 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: a complicity, at least a rhetorical complicity on that side. 51 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: So I'm really proud of our side for recognizing that 52 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: even if there's legitimate grievances that these people felt being violent, 53 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: storming the capital, hurting capital of police officers, even murdering 54 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: one is not the answer. That is unequivocally not the answer. 55 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: I think though, that the mainstream media and the left 56 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: jumped on it immediately, as you and I Gianno, who 57 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: were who work in media would expect, and they twisted it. 58 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: They made it seem a like President Trump had called 59 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: for violence, when if you look at the transcripts of 60 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: what he said, he unequivocally did not call for violence. 61 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: He even used the word peacefully and powerfully protest at 62 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,399 Speaker 1: the Capitol, I believe was his phrase. He then condemned 63 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: those who did riot, those who did commit violence, and 64 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: told them to go home. If that had been the 65 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: behavior from any other president aside from Trump, he would 66 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: have been applauded by the mainstream media for handling it properly. 67 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: This is not something that is an objective analysis by 68 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: the mainstream media looking at Trump's behavior. They've had it 69 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: out for him for five years and they're using this 70 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: just as their last hammer shot home before he's out 71 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: of office. They wanted to vilify him, they wanted to 72 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: demonize him, and yes, he's not always the smoothest with 73 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: his rhetoric. To say I love you to the people 74 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: who rioted in that initial video, that's not a wise 75 00:03:58,040 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: thing to say, right because you know it's going to 76 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: be misconstant rude. But even so, even if it lacks wisdom, 77 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: it's not the same as calling for violence. Those are 78 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: the first two things. The third thing that I would 79 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: say is this is not representative of those who voted 80 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: for President Trump, seventy five million people. Giano you and 81 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 1: I among them, voted for this man Uh to be 82 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,359 Speaker 1: president of the United States, and the vast, vast, vast 83 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: majority of us are non violent. There are fringes on 84 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 1: the left and there are fringes on the right. The guy, 85 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: for example, who was on the House floor with those 86 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: horns on his head, I mean, this guy is like 87 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: a conspiracy theorist who's in his thirties, who lives in 88 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: his mother's basement. I mean, he's an absolute ne'er do 89 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: well loser, and he doesn't represent Trump voters. But the left, 90 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,679 Speaker 1: of course, wants to conflict that guy with all of us. Yeah, 91 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: And you know, I've actually because I know that President 92 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: Trump realized that he has a very passionate supporters. And certainly, 93 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 1: I don't believe by any measure that you can indict 94 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: all folks who supported President Trump, whether they voted for 95 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: him or not, whether he supported his policies or not, 96 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: and say that this has to do with all of them. 97 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: And I honestly, I know that these are very passionate 98 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: people who went out there, and I've actually condemned President 99 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: Trump for even encouraging them, because you just never know 100 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: what might happen in that in that stunt. So I 101 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: do agree that this should be condemned on all all ends. 102 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: But you should never be trying to indict all the 103 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: Trump supporters for the actions of a few, and they 104 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: would never do that if this was people in the 105 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: BLM movement or anywhere else. I absolutely agree. I agree 106 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: with you on that. And we saw over the summer, 107 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, riots across the country carey about Antifa 108 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 1: and some members of the BLM movement and the left 109 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 1: not only did not condemn him, we saw Joe Biden 110 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: who ignored it during the d n C convention and 111 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: it wasn't until his poll numbers begin to be impacted 112 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: because folks in the suburbs said, hey, why is this 113 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: allowed to go on that they made any statements with 114 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 1: regards to it. We should be against violence at all time, 115 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: not just when it's politically convenient for us. I mean, 116 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: what the thoughts about the continuation of this, because I'm 117 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: beginning to believe that some of these protests we've seen, 118 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: I know that there's a Joe Biden presidency that's going 119 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: to happen. It seems as though this may not be 120 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: the end of it. In terms of the protests. We 121 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: might might have seen during the country in terms of 122 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: racial justice. Well, protests I have no problem with. And 123 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 1: this is where I guess I would disagree just slightly 124 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: with you or push back just slightly. I have no 125 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: problem with President Trump encouraging protests from his supporters. You know, 126 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,119 Speaker 1: anybody with any grievance is allowed to protest for any reason, 127 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: and I have zero problem with that, even if I 128 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: disagree with, you know, the premise of Antifa, the premise 129 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: of Black Lives Matter. Even if somebody disagrees with the 130 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: premise of the Trump rally and the Capital, I don't 131 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: care if President Trump says, go to the capital and protests. 132 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 1: That's the people's way of communicating with their representatives, whether 133 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: or not we agree that their grievances are valid. And 134 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: I think it's a very slippery slope if we allow 135 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: the left to conflate actions. And what I mean by 136 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: that is words matter, right, You and I talked, have 137 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 1: talked a million times about this, actually for every kind 138 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: of issue. When the left tries to obliterate objective truth, 139 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: when they say there is no such thing as gender, 140 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: no man, no woman, no right, no wrong, that makes 141 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: a difference because what happens is they set up an 142 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: environment where they can take a comment and you can 143 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: you know, look at Twitter. For example, Twitter banned President 144 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: Trump for two reasons, because he tweeted that he would 145 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: not be attending Joe Biden's inauguration, and because he said 146 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: his seventy five million supporters, the people who voted for him, 147 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: American patriots, he called them, would not be ignored. So 148 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: those are two like rather innocuous things, right Like, you 149 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: can debate whether it's rude not to go to an 150 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: election of your of your successor you can debate, I 151 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: guess whether seventy five million Americans because they didn't win 152 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: the election, are going to be ignored. But there's nothing 153 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: in centiary about either of those two things. But when 154 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: we obliterate objective truth, when we let the left redefine words, 155 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: then they can literally say, and this is what Twitter did. 156 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: They can look at President Trump's tweets and say that 157 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: could be interpreted by someone as inciting violence, and objectively, Gianna, 158 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: you and I would look at that and say, well, no, 159 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: it couldn't. He's not encouraging violence. He's saying nothing about violence. 160 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: He's saying I'm not going to Joe Biden's inauguration. Well, 161 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: so what But if you allow the left to tell 162 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: you that one word actually means something else, then they're 163 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: gonna be able to define anybody's words to mean anything 164 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: they want to mean to serve their agenda. And you 165 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: mentioned this, and we're talking about big tech, and after 166 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: after MAFI storm in the capital, we know that their 167 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: silence are rather trying to silence President Trump on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, 168 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 1: and they've banned them. This censorship is very slippery. Slow. 169 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on the suppression we've seen in 170 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: the past few days. I know you lost a lot 171 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: of followers. I lost over fifteen thousand followers. I know 172 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of other people followers asked yep, yep, 173 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: I checked about an hour ago. Actually, um, because that's 174 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: not even account I generally keep track of. But fifty 175 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: seven thousand followers is how many followers I've lost. Um. 176 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: I mean, it's terrible, right I It's hard for me 177 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: to believe that even left wing voters. I'm not talking 178 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: about swamp creatures in Washington, d C. It's hard for 179 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: me to imagine that the average liberal in our country 180 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: thinks that this kind of censorship and silencing is okay 181 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: because it's it's not it's not what our country is about. 182 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 1: It's it's terrible to see what's happening they actually want. 183 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: I've warned about this for a long time. People have 184 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: actually accused me of being hyperbolic about it, and I 185 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: haven't been. But they want to take conservatives and they 186 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: want to socially ostracize us. They want us to be unemployable, 187 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: They want us to have our free speech restricted. They 188 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: want to label us as violent, radical extremists so that 189 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: they can force us to either remove ourselves from polite society, 190 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: as they say, or else conform to their radical leftist ideology. 191 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: I have been saying this for years now, that this 192 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: is their goal. We've seen it in every arena. We 193 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: saw it in religious liberty with Jack Phillips at Masterpiece 194 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: Cake Shop. They wanted to close down his business because 195 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: of his Christian beliefs. We saw this with Little Sisters 196 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: of the Poor and Obamacare. They sued Catholic nuns because 197 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: they wouldn't fund a board defacient birth control. You know, 198 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 1: with some gun groups, they denied them bank accounts because 199 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: they didn't want them to exercise their Second Amendment rights. 200 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: They don't want conservatives to have the right to protest 201 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: the right to free speech because they want to label 202 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: that as violence as a pretext to ban it. You 203 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: know what's interesting about that is, yes, you've been warning it. 204 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 1: A lot of other conservatives have been warning about this, 205 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: and a lot of folks on the left and in 206 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 1: the mainstream have said, you know, this is just a 207 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 1: fringe opinion, and they in general and then they said, 208 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,599 Speaker 1: oh with social media because of conservatives. It was a 209 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: study to show that nine of conservatives believe that social 210 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 1: media was pretty much out to get them and censor them. 211 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: And people have said, oh, that's not true. You know 212 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: that this is just some lie that is being pushed 213 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 1: on the ride it and it's not true. And then 214 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: you see people are purging, purging account you you barely 215 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: can post anything without being considered banning. And you saw 216 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: just recently where there was a trending topic of hang 217 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: Mike Pence. How is the hang Mike Pence thing not 218 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: inciting violence? The double standard is terrible. And here here's 219 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: a confession, Giano. I have to say, over the past 220 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,719 Speaker 1: couple of years, there have been times that other conservatives 221 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: have made allegations that big tech is censoring them. They'll say, oh, 222 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: I'm I've been shadow banded on Twitter and my tweets 223 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: aren't getting the same, you know, reach that they used to. 224 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: And honestly, I'm always a little bit skeptical when someone 225 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,719 Speaker 1: says that. I'm usually like, well, are you're sure it's 226 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: really that good of a tweet. I'm just full disclosure, 227 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: That's what I tend to think. However, this takes it 228 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: to a whole new level. And this is the second 229 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: part of it. I started believing more of the big 230 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: tech censorship this summer when I myself and again this 231 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: is my fault for not believing, I guess, but I 232 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: myself was so objects to a quote unquote fact check 233 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: from Facebook, which are these left wing organizations that pretend 234 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: that they're just checking the facts when really they're marking 235 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: you as fake news based on their differing opinion with you. 236 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: And the result of that is you either get demonetized, 237 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: your reach is reduced, you have no ability to have 238 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: a platform on Facebook. And this has happened to me. 239 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 1: It happened to me coincidentally the day I went independent 240 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: and two months before the presidential election, when I was 241 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: having a huge impact on the national conversation on this 242 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 1: debate between Donald Trump and Joe Biden. Those are the 243 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: first things that happened. The second thing that happens is 244 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 1: this full out censorship. But I mean, there's simply no 245 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: argument that it is happening at this point. Now walk 246 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: us through this, because this there was a story dawn 247 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: on you in the USA USA Today, wasn't so I 248 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: do this video on a weekly basis called five Things 249 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: five stories the mainstream media refuses to report, and I 250 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: reported very early in the summer. I think it was 251 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: May at the Wisconsin elections that were happening. You know, 252 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: it was the first big group election you know, quote 253 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: unquote during COVID that they did not it did not 254 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: serve as a super spreader event, as the mainstream media 255 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: had warned and then insinuated after it happened. You know, 256 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 1: it was one of those things were like, oh, if 257 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: people go out and vote, they're definitely gonna get COVID. 258 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: We have to do mail in ballots. And I was like, well, 259 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 1: wait a second, let's look and see what happened. I'm 260 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: not the only one that said that people conducted actual 261 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: studies contact tracing and found that the elections were not 262 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: a significant vector of transmission. There was actually no real 263 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,959 Speaker 1: transmission that happened because they social distanced and did all, 264 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: you know, all their different mitigation protocols. And so I 265 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: did a little portion of that final point or that 266 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: video that I make that said what the mainstream media 267 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: won't tell you. They won't tell you that after their 268 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: warnings that the Wisconsin election would be a super streader event, 269 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: actually the statistics show it wasn't so USA today they 270 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: claimed that they couldn't find any mainstream media outlets who 271 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 1: had made the claim that Wisconsin was a super spreader event. 272 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: And I'm just like mind blown, Like did you hear 273 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: the coverage and the chatter and the narratives that were 274 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 1: going down the liberal pipeline leading up to this election 275 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: and then the silence after it when they were wrong 276 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 1: and they didn't want to report that they were wrong, 277 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: So they claimed that I had been misleading or told 278 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: a lie or exaggerated all because they didn't want that 279 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: facts to come to light, because had it come to 280 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: light in the way that it should have, we would 281 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: never have had the mail in voting, which ultimately in 282 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: my opinion led to Joe Biden winning the election. You know, 283 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: I think that's really interesting and I want to pick 284 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: up from there in the moment. But first let's take 285 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: a quick break sticking with social media. What do you 286 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: think should be done in terms of these social media giants. 287 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: Should they be treated just like regular publications instead of 288 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: platform Should we be looking at war anti trust losses 289 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: because they're too much like monopolies. What do you think both? 290 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I think we all know some about Section 291 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: two thirty and it served its purpose, right. It's kind 292 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: of like unions in the past. They serve their purpose 293 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: and now it's time to abolish public sector unions. That's 294 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: the same sort of thing with Section two thirty. There 295 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: are arguments to be made about the benefits that it brings, 296 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: and there's no doubt that in everything in life, right, 297 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: there's benefits and then there's downsides. But the downsides of 298 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: Section to thirty now very clearly outweigh the benefits because 299 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: these big tech companies are treated as platforms, which means 300 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: they are not liable for what you or I or 301 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: crazy you know, X y Z next door says. Yet 302 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: part of that stipulation of Section to thirty is that 303 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: they cannot editorialize at all. They have to just provide 304 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: people a platforming, neutral platform, and they're not part of 305 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: what's said at all. Well, they're clearly not doing that right. 306 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: They're a big part, a big part of editorializing. In fact, 307 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: I don't know an editor that's picky as Twitter and 308 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: Facebook are being about what other people post. So they 309 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: can't have it both ways. If they want to editorialize totally, fine, 310 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: that's their right their private companies, but they can't be 311 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: protected from the liability of what they do if they 312 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: want to editorialize. That's simply how the law is written 313 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: and ought to be interpreted. That's the first thing. The 314 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: second thing is we should enforce the laws on our books. 315 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: This is the problem with a lot of different issues 316 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: in our country. We actually have laws against it, they're 317 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: just not enforced properly. Immigration is an example of that, 318 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: but that's a different topic for a different day. But 319 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: monopoly laws, of course, they should be enforced. We already 320 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: have them. We don't need to target big tech with 321 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: some new type of legislation. We should just subject them 322 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: to antitrust investigations and if they qualify as the monopoly. 323 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: They shouldn't be allowed to operate like that because that's 324 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: the law of our land. You know. What's what's interesting, 325 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: And I tweeted this recently because I'm gonna be honest. 326 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: Is a Republican for well well over a decade. I mean, 327 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: I'm not that old. I don't know how much every 328 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: meeting to a lot of people, but I feel as 329 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: though the GOP has failed us in terms of really 330 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 1: ensuring that big tech doesn't have as much influence that 331 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: it has. In twenty I believe it was eighteen, there 332 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: was almost two million people in the United States that 333 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: were involved in social media. Almost twenty percent of those 334 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: individuals get their political opinions from social media, and now 335 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: big tech is editorizing content and for a lot of conservatives. 336 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: I mean, if you you talk to just about anybody, 337 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: they feel as though they're under attack personally. That's whether 338 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: you have one follower, follower or three million. People really 339 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: feel as though they're being targeted. And the Republican Party 340 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: did not protect us from it when they hit every 341 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 1: opportunity to do so, what do you think of that? 342 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: I mean, in the very recent history, meaning in the 343 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: last month, I'm very disappointed in the Republican Party. I 344 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: thought President from vetoing the Defense Bill to get Section 345 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: to thirty reform in there was a good move. I mean, 346 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: he sees he saw what was happening. This wasn't hypothetical 347 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 1: at that point. Republican senators should have known better. They 348 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: can see what's happening too, and they did nothing. Republicans 349 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: had an opportunity to make this happen, and they did nothing. 350 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 1: That's why Republicans get so frustrated with career politicians, because 351 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 1: when we have these opportunities, these career politicians lack a 352 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: killer instinct. They don't say, we're gonna play hardball on 353 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: this deal, We're gonna get a provision that we want. 354 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: No just Nancy Pelosi gets everything she wants and Republicans, 355 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: who had the majority in the Senate and the presidency 356 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: get left in the dust. It's it's unfathomable to me. 357 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: It's so annoying. My question to you is going forward, 358 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: will the Republican Party still be the party of Donald 359 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: Trump Ship? Or should be? Like? What? What? What should 360 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 1: we expect? It feels like we need something new, fresh, 361 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: and different than what we've been seeing as of recent 362 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: well let's talk about the stimulus checks for a second, 363 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: because there's this narrative that's circulating amongst many people in 364 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: the rights blaming Mitch McConnell for not voting on the 365 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: two thousand dollar stimulus check and saying, well, that's why 366 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: you know, Republicans lost the Senate in Georgia because Joe 367 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 1: Biden went down there and said on day one, I'll 368 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: give you a two thousand dollar check. There was a 369 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: poll down, the survey down that showed that the two 370 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: thousand dollar stimulus checks whereas popular as like football in Georgia. Right, So, 371 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 1: in a sense, people are blaming Mitch McConnell for that. 372 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: But I want to take it a step deeper, a 373 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: step in a more complex manner. I want to look 374 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: at this in a more nuanced sense and ask this 375 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: question why we're Republicans in the lose lose situation to 376 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: begin with, meaning, it's actually not smart to give people 377 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: two thousand dollars. It's not going to help people who 378 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: are actually losing their business. Two thousand dollars might help 379 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: for a month, but it's a token effort that politicians 380 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: use to comfort their own consciences for how much they've 381 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,479 Speaker 1: hurt the American people. It is not a game changer 382 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 1: for people in need. So we need to understand that 383 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 1: first of all. So why were we in this lose 384 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: lose situation where we had this choice between spending a 385 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,199 Speaker 1: lot of money but I mean a lot of money 386 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: going into debt that's gonna be on the shoulders of 387 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: our children and our grandchildren and our great grandchildren, or 388 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 1: if we didn't do something so fiscally risky and irresponsible, 389 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: we would lose the election. How did we get into 390 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: that position? Because that's a choice, a lose lose that 391 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: you should be able to have the forethought to see 392 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: coming and make decisions accordingly to avoid that. And here's 393 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: what I mean. We have to go back even further 394 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: and look at how even Republicans handled the COVID nineteen crisis. 395 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: Even President Trump is not he is culpable in some 396 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: ways for how he handled the COVID nineteen crisis. You know, 397 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: how he elevated Dr Fauci, how he was very much 398 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: against Georgia reopening when they initially after the quote unquote 399 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: first Wave, wanted to reopen their economy. We have to 400 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: look at actions that lead us into situations where we're 401 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 1: gonna lose lose to try to avoid that. It's like 402 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: chess thinking versus checkers thinking. And I think if the 403 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: Republican Party doesn't reform the way that we think to 404 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: start avoiding some of these lose lose situations, then what's 405 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: gonna happen? We're going to continue losing. So even in 406 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: the unprecedented pandemic where we've seen business after business shutdown, 407 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: whatever what, no matter what state you're in. I mean, 408 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: with the exception of Florida, which has been great. In Texas, 409 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: I think they've also been great, and they've handled it 410 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: pretty well in terms of understanding. For example, I'm in 411 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: Florida right now. Ronda Santis understands that it's not just 412 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen that kills poverty, kills too. But we're in 413 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: a situation that we've never really experienced as a country. 414 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 1: The American people have been sending over three hillion dollars 415 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: of their money to the federal government in the form 416 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: of corporate income. Isn't it right to say in a 417 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 1: situation like this that they should get some aid. I mean, 418 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 1: businesses absolutely deserve aid. That's what we saw, like some 419 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: of the similars PPP money. I think that's appropriate. What 420 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: why is it wrong for them to get two thousand 421 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: dollars of them money. I know the debt is a 422 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: big issue. We've been seeing the debt. I don't think 423 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: it's a right and wrong issue. I think it's a 424 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 1: smart and dumb issue. Like if we want business owners 425 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 1: to survive, we need to let them open their businesses 426 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: and run their businesses. I mean, my my family is 427 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 1: full of small business owners, some people, some of members 428 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 1: of my family. My sister, for example, has been absolutely 429 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 1: you know, hammered by these shutdowns. Her business is basically destroyed. 430 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: Two thousand dollars barely pays for a month of rent 431 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: and compensation for what she's lost. You know, like I said, 432 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: it's it's basically token. It's not a matter of don't 433 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 1: they deserve something. Yeah, they deserve a government that doesn't 434 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: tell them that they can run their business, the government 435 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: that doesn't tell them that they have to shut down. 436 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: A government that doesn't say sorry, too bad. You know, 437 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 1: we're gonna live. We're gonna continue to collect our paychecks 438 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 1: and live our cochy lifestyle, and we're gonna throw you 439 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: some uh some money that Nancy Pelosi, by the way, 440 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: wants described an equivalent amount as being quote crumbs. It's 441 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: a matter of is it actually going to help people? 442 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: Are what is going to protect people's livelihoods well also 443 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: sure protecting against COVID. And you know, it's been nine months, 444 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: more than that, almost ten months. We know that the 445 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: lockdowns themselves shutting down businesses, that doesn't work. It destroys 446 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:19,360 Speaker 1: people's lives. It destroys their livelihoods. The lockdowns lead to deaths, 447 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: to just as COVID nineteen does. I don't blame politicians 448 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 1: necessarily for how they handled it. The first month, the 449 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: first six weeks, we didn't know what it was. We 450 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: were told that it was going to be this horribly 451 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: deadly pandemic that was gonna cause millions of millions of 452 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: deaths in our own country. And then we started getting 453 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,679 Speaker 1: the actual facts about it. We realized that it is 454 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: very risky for elderly people, it's not very risky for young, 455 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: healthy people. It's basically not a risk at all for children. 456 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 1: The vectors of transmission are not schools, they're not retail businesses, 457 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: they're not even restaurants and bars. I think New York 458 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: city's own data showed that transmission in bars was like 459 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: one percent of cases were transmitted in bars and restaurants. 460 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: I mean, there are some governors, Rhonda Santas included, who 461 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: recognize the scientific facts about this virus and are taking 462 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: mitigation measures based on the facts, but most other politicians 463 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 1: in our nation are not. They're basing it off of 464 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: maybe their political agenda, maybe their own mass hysteria, their 465 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,479 Speaker 1: own fear, their own desire for power, whatever it is, 466 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: their lack of understanding and compassion for non government officials, 467 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 1: for everyday working people. And so I have no patience 468 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: for those politicians as I see my own family members 469 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 1: businesses being shut down. Two thousand dollars is nothing compared 470 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: to a year's salary, a year investment in everything that 471 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: they've lost. And I don't disagree with that. I just 472 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: think people should get something. I also think in terms 473 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: of how they build out the policies, in terms of 474 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: the stimulus, where they're like, oh, well, last year you 475 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 1: made a hundred thousand dollars or three hundred thousand or 476 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: four hundred thousand dollars um you can't get any of 477 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: this particular stimulus. An when you may have zero today 478 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: is just like insulting and stupid that that's my point 479 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,239 Speaker 1: of view. I just think that there has to be 480 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: something done opening the business. Absolutely, but if your business 481 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: has been shut down for nine months, you may not 482 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 1: have money to open your business. So I don't disagree 483 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 1: with that. Don't don't misunderstanding. I don't disagree with that. 484 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: I just think that we have to engage in a 485 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: more complex form of thinking as politicians. Basically, we have 486 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: to engage in a more complex form of thinking so 487 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: that we don't get ourselves into that situation where we're saying, Okay, 488 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: your business has been shut down for nine months, which 489 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 1: means morally the government of course has an obligation to 490 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: give you something if they've taken everything away from you. 491 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: Yet it's not really gonna help, and it's going to 492 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 1: cause a fiscal a massive fiscal deficit, which we know 493 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 1: is also a national security risk. Because I'm not disagreeing 494 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 1: with you when you say, you know they deserve something 495 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: if the government's shut them down. Of course, I just 496 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: think that smart politicians, politicians of integrity, if such a 497 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: thing exists, could think ahead and avoid these lose lose situations. 498 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,479 Speaker 1: That's what I'm frustrated the most in politics. Yeah, now, 499 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: and and that I absolutely agree with you on. On 500 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 1: another note, Senator John Throwing, the Republican from South Dakota 501 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: who's also the Senate majority WHI said, I think our 502 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 1: identity quote, I think our identity from the past several 503 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: years now has been been around built around an individual, 504 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: and we've got to get back to where it is 505 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: built on a set of ideas and principles and policies. 506 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,360 Speaker 1: And I'm sure those conversations will be held, but it 507 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 1: needs to happen pretty soon. Would you agree with that? 508 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: And what's what's what's the path forward? I just I 509 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 1: don't understand. I think I feel like we're a party 510 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: where we're really trying to figure things out because largely 511 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: we've not necessarily had a road map that's clear, and 512 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: a lot of people are really concerned. I think we're 513 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: gonna We've lost a lot of voters. People are upset, 514 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: whether they came in because they just believed in Donald 515 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: Trump and they wanted to support his presidency. They feel 516 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: as though the party has failed. And then people who 517 00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: have been Conservatives and Republicans for decades, they're saying, you know, 518 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: what I'm giving up on the Republican Party. They're not 519 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: gonna go vote for Democrats, but they're just not going 520 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: to vote at all. So I mean, where did you 521 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: really leave us? There's a lot of confusion going on today. 522 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,679 Speaker 1: What do you think? Well, I'll tell you something that 523 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: I speak at the Young America's Foundation often, and one 524 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: of the things that I always tell the high school 525 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 1: or the college students is um you should base your 526 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: political loyalty on principle, not on politician. You must resist 527 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: putting a politician on a pedestal for several reasons. First 528 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: of all, they will always disappoint you, because there's never 529 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: going to be someone who agrees with you unless it's yourself. 530 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: And second of all, when you elevate a politician to 531 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 1: a pedestal position, you are giving them, at least in 532 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: your own mind, power that we should not be giving them. 533 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: You are giving them an unprecedented amount of um power, 534 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: and that's dangerous. So it's actually basically a very non 535 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: sexy solution. We need to care less about politicians and 536 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: more about policy issues. And we live in a cult 537 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 1: of personality. I mean, look at how we always are 538 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: elevating different kinds of politicians and public figures in Hollywood celebrities. 539 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: Our culture has a problem with the cult of personality. 540 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: We are applying that to people and to politicians instead 541 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: of to God as we should. So I know this 542 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: is not an easy answer, but we need to think 543 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 1: in a cultural sense. Why are we disordered in this 544 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: way where we deify politicians? I mean, Democrats did it 545 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: to Obama, Republicans did it to Trump. Why are we 546 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: in a position where our loyalty comes first to the 547 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: person versus the principle. If we can reorder our minds 548 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: to only support people who are likewise defending the principle, 549 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: our parties, both of them, actually would be much better off. Absolutely, 550 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: I agree with you. I want to continue from there 551 00:28:54,960 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: right after we take a quick break. Now, do you 552 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: see any future leaders on the right beyond Trump? The 553 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: catcher eye that would be the real future leaders of 554 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: the party. Oh, that's an interesting question. Isn't that always 555 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: fun to play? Who's going to be on the primary 556 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: debate stage? I mean, there's there's tons of them. Think 557 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: about different governors. There's Rhonda Santis, There's you know, Governor 558 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: Abbott of Texas. There's um there's NICKI Haley, there's there's 559 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: governors all there's actually a lot of Republican governors who 560 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: are very qualified. We've gotten and this is interesting, we've 561 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: gotten in the past since Obama. We've gotten away from 562 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: governors being political candidates and towards senators being political candidates 563 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: when it for president. I mean, when it used to 564 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: be the other way around, right, It used to be 565 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: the governors that would take the next step to the 566 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: White House and the senators, you know, kept their place 567 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: in the Senate. Now senators go to the Senate because 568 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: they want to be the president. So in addition to 569 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: those governors, you know, we have the whole slew of 570 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: Republican senators who want to be the nominee in who 571 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,959 Speaker 1: I'm sure are going to run again. So there's not 572 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: going to be a shortage of choices. I think it's 573 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: going to be a very crowded primary stage. And you, 574 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: you're a very young conservative. I don't want to thank you. 575 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: I didn't want to say that, But what do you 576 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: think conservatives need to do to reach out to younger vote? Um. 577 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: I think they need to listen to the concerns of 578 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: younger voters and they need to not try to convince 579 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: younger voters to be worried about things that they aren't 580 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: worried about, or not to worry about things that they 581 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: are worried about. They need to meet the concerns of 582 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: young people where they are and then explain how conservative 583 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: policies best address the pre existing issues that young people 584 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: are worried about, because right now, Republicans have a tendency 585 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: to not really actively listen to young people, but just 586 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: to say, actually, this is what you should be concerned about. 587 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: And young people who have been told, you know, for 588 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: years that the world is about to end for climate change, 589 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: You're like, what do I care about my grandchildren's fiscal deficit? 590 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: And there is a reason they should care. But politicians 591 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: need Republican politicians need to listen to young people and 592 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: explain how conservative policies answered the pre existing concerns that 593 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: young people have instead of trying to tell them to 594 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: be concerned about something else. Now on Juniory twenty, and 595 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: Joe Biden will become the President of the United States. 596 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: Will this be a third term of Obama? Or what 597 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: should we expect from Oh, I think he's gonna be 598 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: much more radical than Obama. Look at who he's surrounding 599 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: himself with. I mean, Barack Obama was the most radical 600 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: leftist president that we had had up until that point. 601 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: But I think the people who Joe Biden has surrounded 602 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: himself with, perhaps the people who are making Joe Biden's 603 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: decisions and controlling much of Joe Biden's policy direction, they 604 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: are more, much more blatantly leftist than Obama was, because 605 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: he at least tried to be nuanced about it and tried. 606 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: He didn't. I'm not saying he succeeded policy wise, but 607 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: he didn't admit, Oh, I'm a socialist. Oh I'm a Marxist. 608 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: Oh I think we should ban guns. I think that 609 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: we should, you know, stifle religious liberty. All the people 610 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: Joe Biden is surrounding himself with, including probably most importantly 611 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris, his vice presidential running mate, are extremely extreme 612 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: radical leftist. If they have control of the Senate, the House, 613 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: and the presidency, Gianna, the next two years before the 614 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: midterms are going to be a blood bath. And I 615 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: don't mean that literally, I mean a blood lath of 616 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: policy um that's going that's obliterating essentially our constitutional principles. Yeah, 617 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: and Kamala Harris has been rated the most liberal senator 618 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: even beyond Bernie Sanders. Beyond that, do you predict there's 619 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: gonna be some infighting between Biden and the more progressive 620 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: Bernie and AOC wing of the Democratic Party. Yeah, for sure. 621 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: And by the way, let me go back for a second, 622 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: because media matters always tracks every single thing that I say, 623 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: so I want to give additional context so they don't 624 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 1: lie about the word that I used, especially in the 625 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: wake of the capital rights. When I say blood bath, 626 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: I do not mean a physical blood bath. I meant, uh, 627 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: the on the chopping block would be our constitutional rights, 628 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: life liberating in the pursuit of happiness. Are individual liberties? 629 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: Are freedom as a nation? That's what I meant when 630 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: I said that. Just for any liberal who's looking to 631 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: take me out of context, make sure you listen to 632 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: my full comment before you misquote me or misconstrue what 633 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: I say. Isn't it fun being conservative? Jano? I just 634 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 1: wanted to put that up there. No, I mean, and 635 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: you're so right to do so, because legitimately, now it 636 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: seems like it's such an interesting, insensitive time where liberals 637 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: in places like media matters. They're really trying to take 638 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: us out of context. So it's good that you provided that, 639 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: but it was clear enough for everyone who was listening. 640 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: They knew exactly what you what you were saying, and 641 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: you clarified it as soon as you said it, so 642 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: people can understand. But thank you for providing an additional clarification. 643 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: Of course, of course. Um, But as that's your question, 644 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: which is is there going to be conflict between the 645 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: radical leftist portion of the Democratic Party and Joe Biden, 646 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 1: I don't actually think Joe Biden's gonna put up much 647 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: of a fight. I mean, he's gotten what he wanted, right, 648 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: He's going to be inaugurated the president of the United States. 649 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: He knew what he was doing when he picked Kamala Harris. 650 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,800 Speaker 1: I mean that that's the thing about Democrats for the 651 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 1: most part, at least democratic politicians, is they're not that 652 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: principle of people. They might be ideological, they might have 653 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: a political agenda, but it's not like Joe Biden is 654 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: going to stand up there and say, wait a second, 655 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: I am principally against packing the Supreme Court. He might 656 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: recognize the political impracticality of it in certain senses, he 657 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 1: might recognize from his past that it's hypocritical based on 658 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 1: what he said, but like he's going, he can be 659 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: convinced to move further left. I mean we've seen that 660 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: under our very noses. Compared to what he said uh 661 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,319 Speaker 1: in the primaries versus what he's saying now, I don't 662 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: think he's gonna put up much of a fight. I 663 00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: think it's gonna be very far leftist because they're not 664 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,720 Speaker 1: gonna They're not going to listen to Republican minority voices 665 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,359 Speaker 1: in a House and the Senate. They're going to do 666 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 1: whatever they want. Absolutely, they're going to dominate it. And 667 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: to conclude our conversation, I just have two more questions. First, sure, 668 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 1: you became a prominent media figure at a young age. 669 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: What advice would you get the kids in college or 670 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: recent graduates who would want to make it in a 671 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: political world or as a journalist. I would say, read 672 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: a lot of books. Read as many books as you 673 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: can any any books that you would recommend, Yes, So 674 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: I actually made a list in my book. There's a 675 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: whole chapter dedicated to fifty books that you should read 676 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,359 Speaker 1: if you want to be an educated conservative. So, at 677 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: the risk of sounding like I'm promoting my own book, 678 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:43,280 Speaker 1: which we're going to do that anyway, but Tipping points 679 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 1: how to tolp the less House of Cards, and there's 680 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 1: a whole chapter I think it's chapter seven that has 681 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 1: a whole list of books that young people should read. 682 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: So um, that is my first piece of advice. The 683 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: second piece of advice builds on that know what you're 684 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: talking about, really understand why you stand for what you 685 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 1: stand for, or and understand why the left stands for 686 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 1: what they stand for. Because when you start undergoing scrutiny, 687 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 1: when the firestorm of the left starts criticizing you and 688 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: hacking you, you better be strong and what you believe 689 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 1: and understand why you believe it, or else it's an 690 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,839 Speaker 1: untenable situation to be attacked like that. The third piece 691 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: of advice builds on that if you're going to be attacked, 692 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: you need to be surrounded by a support system family 693 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,799 Speaker 1: and friends, church, community hopefully who support you that you 694 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: can come home from the political fray from and live 695 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 1: a regular life. Those three things are the most important 696 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 1: things that you can do if you want to be 697 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 1: successful in conservative politics today. All right, And finally, America 698 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 1: is currently divided, and a lot of people are pestimistic 699 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: about the future of our country. Can you give Americans 700 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 1: a reason to be optimistic? Of course, I wouldn't be 701 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 1: fighting the fight that I'm fighting every day if I 702 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: didn't think there was hope for our country. If I 703 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: truly thought we were about to be flushed down the toilet, 704 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be involved in this fray. I am involved 705 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 1: in this fray. Of course, we have hope. We have 706 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 1: undergone as a nation, tremendous conflict, tremendous wrongdoing with Gianna. 707 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,240 Speaker 1: We underwent a civil war. You know, we have correct 708 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 1: course corrected from a litany of evils inflicted on people, 709 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,840 Speaker 1: whether it was people of color, whether it was women, 710 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 1: And every time we have managed to course correct. Do 711 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 1: not give up on the principles enshrined in our founding 712 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 1: documents that allow us to both be sinners as men 713 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 1: and course correct as a nation. We can do it 714 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 1: if we don't abandon those principles. There it is, Liz, 715 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 1: will it On't you tell us how we can follow you. 716 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: We're gonna mention your book again, but go ahead mention 717 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 1: your book for us, and and certainly you put you 718 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: put out these dynamic videos every week that a lot 719 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: of times go viral on your Instagram. So give us 720 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 1: your social media handles and how we can keep in touch. Definitely. 721 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 1: So you can find my book Tipping Points on Amazon 722 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 1: or Barnes and Noble anywhere that you find books. You 723 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 1: can subscribe to my YouTube channel, which is where I 724 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,399 Speaker 1: release those videos. You can just go to join Liz 725 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 1: Wheeler dot com. It's all three of those are. One 726 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: word to join Liz Wheeler is the U R L 727 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 1: Join Liz Wheeler dot com. You can follow me on 728 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 1: Twitter at Liz Underscore Wheeler. You can follow me on 729 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 1: Facebook at Official Liz Wheeler pretty much any any platform. 730 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 1: You can follow me on parlor for you know, as 731 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,839 Speaker 1: long as parlor is set to last right now. Uh. 732 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 1: You'll find a blue checkmark by my name on any 733 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: profile that is really me and I hope you connect 734 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,799 Speaker 1: with me. Absolutely. Thank you Lois Will for joining out 735 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 1: loud with Gianno called about truly appreciate your time and inside. 736 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,839 Speaker 1: Thanks Gianna, it was great stock for you. Absolutely, Thank 737 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:49,799 Speaker 1: you so much. Thanks to Liz Will look for a 738 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 1: great interview. 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