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Speaker 2: When I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.

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Speaker 2: And when I find my ball.

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Speaker 3: In a brid egg Friday Egg, the dreaded Frida Egg, fridagg,

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Speaker 4: Lie, I'm about ready to run off of the course.

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Speaker 5: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to another edition of the

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Speaker 5: Frida Egg Podcast. Today we're doing our first ever live podcast,

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Speaker 5: and I'm lucky to be joined by a couple of

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Speaker 5: the brightest and youngest stars in the turf industry from Chicago.

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Speaker 5: We've got Brian Moore from the glen View Club, Brian

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Speaker 5: Palmer from Shore Acres, Scott Pavalco from the Babbelink Club,

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Speaker 5: and then I'm also joined by fellow golf nerd Jason Way. Guys,

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Speaker 5: welcome on, Thank.

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Speaker 6: You for having us, Thanks for having us.

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Speaker 5: So to kick things off, I'd love to hear from

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Speaker 7: More importantly, Yeah, I grew up around the game. My

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Speaker 7: father was superintendent, so I'm pretty sure all three of

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Speaker 7: us is the common theme right there. So just basically

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Speaker 7: every summer from probably the age of eleven or so

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Speaker 7: was spent on the golf course with my father. Helped

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Speaker 7: out where I could caddied, and just really developed my

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Speaker 7: love for the game through summers with him.

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Speaker 1: He was at an old.

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Speaker 7: Course in Elmsford, New York and Norwood Country Club, so

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Speaker 7: there's some pretty historical significance of that club and architecturally too,

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Speaker 7: I think Tailinghouse, rain Air, and then Banks took over

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Speaker 7: you can see essentially, you know, tidbits of all three

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Speaker 5: Nice and then you were at the Loop.

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Speaker 7: The Loop grew in the Loop in northern Michigan.

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Speaker 5: And then came too.

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Speaker 7: Yeah that's a little layover at Chicago Golf Club.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, not at it all not bad.

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Speaker 5: You got to see a lot of good architecture, how

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Speaker 5: about you, Brian.

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Speaker 8: I'm pretty pretty much like Brian over here. My dad

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Speaker 8: I guess I decided that I want to go do

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my story is somewhat similar, but a little bit different.

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Speaker 2: My father was also superintendent at a little public course

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Speaker 2: in just outside of Youngstown, Ohio. I grew up. I

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Speaker 2: And then I went to o Highest University got my

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Speaker 5: So what's the best part about waking up at four

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Speaker 5: So to kick things kind of off into the superintended talk,

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Speaker 5: I think there's a disconnect with your regular golfer and

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Speaker 2: I think, you know, what's interesting about our job is

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Speaker 8: It's so hard to have a consistent product every day

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Speaker 6: Eight o'clock or whatever it is.

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Speaker 8: I really wish that some more golfers, some more members

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Speaker 6: In the morning and see how much is actually happening.

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Speaker 5: It's like they should have a mandatory, uh, you know,

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Speaker 5: like you bring your kids to work day, it should

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I just think it's the amount of time it

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Speaker 5: So so the three of you guys recently took a

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Speaker 7: I think it's how little they do over there, you know,

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Speaker 7: Of what I'm trying to do this year, and just

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Speaker 5: So with you getting into architecture more recently, what have

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that for the other restoration at Short Acres,

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Speaker 8: and let me tinker and go and let me push

437
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 8: it and just going go and mess around, and it's

438
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 8: all for the enjoyment of the members and their guests,

439
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 8: but to really just to make it play like it

440
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 8: did one hundred years ago.

441
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Speaker 2: If our membership is a little bit different in the

442
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 2: in that and our project kind of came about for

443
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 2: a different reason. You know, our project was not a

444
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 2: architecturally driven project. First, it was we had significant agonomic issues,

445
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 2: we had significant drainage issues. Basically it was an infrastructure project.

446
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 2: And fortunately the board of directors at the time had

447
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 2: the foresight to realize that this was a great opportunity

448
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 2: to bring back some of the architectural features that have

449
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 2: been lost or covered up. And so, you know what

450
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 2: was the success You know, why was it successful, Bobblink.

451
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 2: It's because of the board of the directors. They had

452
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 2: a good pulse on the membership and you know, they

453
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 2: were willing to stand up and say because it was

454
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Speaker 2: so contrary to what had been done there for one

455
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 2: hundred years. You know, they had kind of been proud

456
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 2: of the fact that there were no major projects, there

457
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 2: were no you know, closures for renovations. But unfortunately the

458
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 2: infrastructure situation that degraded to the point where we needed

459
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 2: to intervene in a serious way. And the leaders at

460
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 2: the board you know, drove the project home. They helped

461
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 2: focus groups to find out what people wanted, and hired

462
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 2: a great architect and you know, I think we ended

463
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 2: up with a pretty good product.

464
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Speaker 5: Speaking of you know, working with architects, so Brian and Scott,

465
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Speaker 5: you work with Jim or being Brian Palmer, you work

466
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 5: with Tom Doak, how is what keys? And you know,

467
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 5: with the relationship you guys have built over the last

468
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Speaker 5: year a couple of years or some of them, what

469
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 5: have been kind of like the things that you've learned

470
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 5: the most from those relationships.

471
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Speaker 2: Well, for me, I mean, the project was it really

472
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 2: just opened my eyes to the world of golf architecture.

473
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Speaker 2: You know. Jim Jim Orbin is a really uh he's

474
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Speaker 2: a he's a great guy, and he was really easy

475
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 2: to get along with, and I could tell from the

476
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 2: beginning that there was a mutual respect. I think it's

477
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 2: I think it's really important. I've described this to our

478
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 2: members and to the guys on our staff, But in

479
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 2: order to have a successful project, to me, there's like

480
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 2: a triangle of interests, and on one end is like

481
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 2: the agronomy and the superintendent pulling in one direction, and

482
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 2: then on another corner is the membership and what they want,

483
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 2: which isn't always right, you know, and they're pulling one way,

484
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 2: and then you need a guy like Orbina or an

485
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 2: architect to come in and pull that third direction. So

486
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 2: the triangle sort of evens out and you have a

487
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 2: balance of what we need agronomically to grow grasp what

488
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 2: the members want for, you know, how they want to

489
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 2: use the club, and the respect of the history and

490
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 2: of the design that was there.

491
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the one thing that I have.

492
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Speaker 8: I guess that I've learned the most from from spending

493
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 8: time with Tom and his associates is they've just got such.

494
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 6: A keen eye they see everything.

495
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Speaker 8: And I think that's just a neat question to ask

496
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 8: when you spend time with any architect, when you walk

497
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 8: down a fairways, just stop and say, okay, so what

498
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 8: are you looking at right now? And they'll tell you.

499
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 8: And I guarantee you probably wouldn't ever go and guess

500
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 8: what they're thinking about. But you know, it's just what

501
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 8: direction the water is going to be draining off the

502
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 8: green and just all sorts of things like that. You know,

503
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 8: it could be a bunker off in the distance on

504
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 8: a different hole or whatever. And that's been really eye opening,

505
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 8: quick educational, and it's got me looking at a golf

506
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 8: course in a totally different manner.

507
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 7: Yeah, just what they see is completely different than anybody else.

508
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 7: It's yeah, it's crazy to that they're focusing on something that's,

509
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 7: you know, two hundred yards away, but it's going to

510
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 7: come into play on your approach out to this green.

511
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 7: And you know, working with those guys building the loop,

512
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 7: just seeing you know what they're focusing on and what

513
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 7: they're seeing and to hit off of Scott too.

514
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you need to.

515
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 7: Have that relationship with the architect.

516
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: You're working with.

517
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 7: You know, there's got to be a certain amount of

518
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 7: trust there where you know, you need to trust them

519
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 7: that they're going to do what's best, and also you

520
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 7: know they need to trust you that you can you

521
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 7: can implement and maintain what they're trying to do. So

522
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 7: I was always I always just say to them, just

523
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 7: do what you know, do what you want to do.

524
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 7: I'll find a way to maintain it.

525
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: So I know.

526
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 7: Brian's kind of done that up at Short Acres with

527
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 7: some of these bent grass collars and you know, at

528
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 7: ninety degree angles, so I don't know how you get

529
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 7: a mower on it, but scissors right, lots of ropes.

530
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 3: Speaking of different perspectives, you mentioned the Scott. You mentioned

531
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 3: the player corner of the triangle there, which I'm sure

532
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 3: is interesting at times. All three of your clubs have

533
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 3: a pretty wide range of handicaps from what I understand,

534
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 3: how do you balance, you know, trying to provide a

535
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 3: fun and challenging experience for people who are at such

536
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 3: wildly different ends of the skill spectrum.

537
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm firm and fast.

538
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 7: Everyone's pretty much gonna love it for the most part.

539
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 7: You know, to have the old guys, senior members come

540
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 7: up to you and say they've never hit a drive

541
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 7: this far. You know, no one's going to complain about

542
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 7: hitting the ball further than they have before. I think

543
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 7: when you get to the greens is where it gets

544
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 7: more trickier, you know, knowing when you should and shouldn't

545
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 7: push green speed. You know, for certain events, yeah it's

546
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 7: great too to push, but you know, day in and

547
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 7: day out, you know, midweek when you got the ladies' days,

548
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 7: you know they don't want the greens. We're alling thirteen

549
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 7: plus and putting off the green. So he's got a

550
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 7: kind of balance and you know, for me, I just

551
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 7: try to target who's who's playing and when to push

552
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 7: and when not to push.

553
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 8: For me, it's really it's a lot about the course

554
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 8: set up, who's playing. I can see who's playing in

555
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 8: the morning, and I can see there's eight groups playing,

556
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 8: and there's four or five groups that I know that

557
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 8: want to challenge. Then I'll go and you know, give

558
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 8: them a challenge. But I think that the biggest thing

559
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 8: is trying to be consistent. I know we spoke on

560
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 8: it earlier about how hard it is to be consistent.

561
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 8: But I just just try to keep the greens at

562
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 8: the same speed all day every day, so that if

563
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 8: you come out on a Tuesday, they'll probably be just

564
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 8: as fast as they.

565
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 6: That would be on a Saturday morning.

566
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Speaker 8: And that makes it, I think easier for everyone just

567
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 8: to get a gauge so you don't walk out in

568
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 8: the green and say, oh, well it's lower than yesterday.

569
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 6: Or whatever it was.

570
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 8: But I think there's a lot to be to be

571
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 8: set about course set up, and I think it's a

572
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 8: lot of clubs.

573
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 6: It isn't taken to us seriously.

574
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 8: It's more of just a chore, and it's something that

575
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 8: that I think a lot of thoughts should be I

576
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 8: put into it when it's performed in the morning.

577
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 2: I don't know that I have a whole lot to

578
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 2: add to that, because these guys made some great points,

579
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 2: but i'll just echo that. Well. One of the things

580
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: that we did in our project is we added some

581
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 2: tees to help with some of the aging members, you know,

582
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 2: some forward tees and encouraging people to play the golf

583
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 2: course a little bit shorter. And then you mix that

584
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 2: with having typically firmer conditions when the weather allows, and

585
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 2: some expanded bent grass around greens that allow for a

586
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 2: variety of shots and so that you're not always you know,

587
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 2: having to fluff a sixty degree wedge out of the rough,

588
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 2: you know, to get it up on the green. And

589
00:30:55,560 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: so just having variety and allowing different players to play

590
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 2: different shots. You know. It's the funny thing about bank

591
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 2: grass around greens is it's easier for the high handicapper

592
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 2: and it's just as challenging for the low handicapper, you know,

593
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 2: because the high handicapper can pull a hybrid out and

594
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 2: bump it up the slope or you know, put the ball,

595
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 2: whereas it makes the good golfer think, you know, about

596
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 2: how they want to play shots.

597
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 5: So just variety is big for us with short grass

598
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 5: around the greens. I'm a big proponent of it. I

599
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 5: think exactly what Scott said. It makes it easier for

600
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 5: the high handicapper and actually probably a little bit more

601
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 5: challenging for the low handicapper. But one of the issues

602
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 5: is people when you change something like and you go

603
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 5: to short grass, people don't it's different and they don't

604
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 5: know how to play it. It's not as simple. Is

605
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 5: there anything that you guys have done to kind of

606
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 5: educate your membership on how to how it's changed and

607
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 5: how it's you know, you can play it differently now.

608
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't take any credit for it. Our

609
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 2: head pro Dan Waters did a great job with kind

610
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 2: of getting ahead of that stuff. One of the things

611
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 2: that we did with our renovations we don't have a

612
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 2: step cut, we don't have any callers, so it goes

613
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 2: green right to rough up against our greens, and so

614
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 2: initially that was something that was difficult for people to

615
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: understand why we did that. But he did a great

616
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 2: job of, you know, giving a group lesson or putting

617
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 2: a video together to explain how to hit a certain

618
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 2: shot or these are the options you can play. So

619
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 2: you know, that's collaboration with him is how we kind

620
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 2: of got the members on board with it.

621
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 8: I think with all the short grass, I don't know

622
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 8: if there's been a lot of education. I just think

623
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 8: that it's been something that a lot of golfers have

624
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 8: had to go and relearn. I think it's a shot

625
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 8: that they would hit maybe twenty five or forty or

626
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 8: fifty years ago, or on a.

627
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 6: Trip to Ireland or Scotland.

628
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 8: I've had members come up and say, yeah, you know,

629
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 8: it's supposed to be getting you know, pretty firm and

630
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 8: dry out there, and I'm going to Ireland next week,

631
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 8: so I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna go hit some

632
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 8: bump shots from you know, forty or fifty yards out.

633
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 8: I'm gonna get the putter out and it's just playing

634
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 8: all the shots that they used to play. That there's

635
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 8: I guess getting more comfortable with nowadays.

636
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, I just use the putter more, just putt it.

637
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 5: It's like they had that scratch video that you know,

638
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 5: they they put out the PGA Tourist thing that was

639
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 5: like they did like a remix version of you know,

640
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 5: all these highlights and it was just putt It's it's

641
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 5: so much easier for the regular player to, uh to

642
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 5: do so. How often in the summer do you guys

643
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 5: get around and see other, you know, people in this

644
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 5: room's work And is there an instance where you took

645
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 5: something that you saw across the street or down the

646
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 5: street and implement it immediately into your operation.

647
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 7: I think of the summer it's probably less. It's spring

648
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 7: fall is when we probably venture out more. I know

649
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 7: in the summer, I just don't want to leave. But yeah,

650
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 7: you always try to look at just even like now

651
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 7: for organizational like you know, walking around people's shops and

652
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 7: what are they doing here? What are they doing there?

653
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 7: Just trying to grab ideas. But yeah, I mean I

654
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 7: think it's always it's always nice to go see Brian

655
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 7: and see how firm as fairways are and you know,

656
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 7: maybe push you a little bit.

657
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,720
Speaker 1: You know, well, I'm not going to water tonight.

658
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 7: I got to try to catch up to him. So yeah,

659
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 7: I think we're competitive in nature, so it's always nice

660
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 7: to get out and go see people and either you know,

661
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 7: gauge what you're doing against that or using this motivation.

662
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 5: Do you ever get to say like, hey, you know

663
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 5: so and so is doing this over there, so that's

664
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 5: why I did this here?

665
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 7: Do you ever use No, But we'll call each other

666
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 7: and say, oh, you know, call up Scott Bordner and

667
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 7: be like, hey, heard your pretty soft down there, heard

668
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 7: your pretty green. You know, just try to rile each

669
00:34:59,480 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 7: other up.

670
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 5: You guys shouldn't make sure it's to say are you soft?

671
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 5: You know you soft? Bro?

672
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, something that between myself and Brian Moore and Scott

673
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 8: Board and we've got a pretty good little relationship going

674
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 8: and we definitely like to to go and push the

675
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 8: buttons if we can so. And I mean, it always

676
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 8: helps out when you have interns and you can go

677
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 8: and make those those field trips, or if you if

678
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 8: you have a rain day and it's just nasty, you

679
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 8: just go send the crew home and you know, just

680
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 8: go take your assistance and interns to go for a

681
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 8: walk somewhere. And I think you're always gonna go and

682
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 8: learn something if it's the way that they're doing divots,

683
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 8: if it's the way that I mean, there's just a

684
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 8: million different ways to improve. But if you just go

685
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 8: and find that one thing on a golf trip, you know,

686
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 8: to go and make your operation that much better than

687
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 8: it was a it was a worthy trip.

688
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 2: I think it's really hard to get out in the summer.

689
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 2: It can be, and it kind of at least the

690
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 2: people that I work for and the way I kind

691
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: of grew up in the business, like there's a vortex

692
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 2: of like one hundred days in the summer where historically

693
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 2: you're like married to your golf course and you don't leave.

694
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: With that being said, I've really tried to make an

695
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 2: effort to break out of that, and not only for

696
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 2: myself but the people that work at Babbling, to try

697
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 2: to like explain like it's okay, Like it's okay if

698
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 2: we go somewhere else, or if you take a day off,

699
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 2: or if we leave early because it rained, or you know,

700
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 2: we I've just tried to do a better job of

701
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 2: not feeling like you have to be at the golf

702
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,479
Speaker 2: course all the time. And I think it just going

703
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 2: to see somebody else's golf course just kind of puts

704
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 2: into perspective what you're doing and whether the golf course

705
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 2: is better or worse, or you know, it's not necessarily that,

706
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 2: it's just to see something else. You know, you look

707
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 2: at the same thing over and over again for one

708
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 2: hundred days, and it's like it gets worse in your mind,

709
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: or you don't really you lose perspective, and then you

710
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 2: go and see something else and it kind of brings

711
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: everything back together and you realize, you know, we're all

712
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 2: doing the same basic thing. We're all doing a good job.

713
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: You know, it's just good to see other places. So

714
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 2: I don't get out as much in the summer as

715
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 2: I do in the spring, and fall, winter. But I've

716
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 2: kind of made like a note in my mind, like

717
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 2: do it get out, see a couple golf courses in

718
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 2: the summer, just to put things back into perspective of

719
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 2: where you actually are.

720
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 7: And it's just so easy around here because there's so

721
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 7: much good golf and great superintendents where you can I mean,

722
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 7: for me, I can drive I don't know ten minutes

723
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 7: and see three guys. So it's sometimes you just gotta

724
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 7: get away too.

725
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll never forget being on a trip to Long

726
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 3: Island with Brian Bossert from Brynmar and we we were

727
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 3: at Piping Rock and we were walking off one of

728
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 3: the tea's and there was a candy wrapper in the

729
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 3: fescue and he picked it up and you could just

730
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 3: tell like his relaxation level increased, so because he's like,

731
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,479
Speaker 3: so it wants everything to be perfect at his own club,

732
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 3: and he's like, oh my god, if if if on

733
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 3: Long Island they have candy wrappers on the ground, I

734
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 3: guess I can relax a little bit. So speaking of

735
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 3: getting out and about you know, playing versus just taking

736
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 3: a walk. Is one better or the other than the other,

737
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 3: or do you just get different things when you do

738
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 3: a play versus a walk.

739
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it's important to play your course. You know,

740
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 7: it's hard to say you're gonna play every week but

741
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 7: at least a couple of times a month because you

742
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 7: just see something from the golfer shoes. But you know,

743
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 7: when I'm going to see people, I don't. Yeah, you're

744
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 7: just getting away sometimes the last thing you want to

745
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 7: do is play. But just go walk and talk and

746
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 7: what are you doing here?

747
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: You know, this is my issue.

748
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 7: I heard you're doing something similar, you know, like I

749
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 7: don't have callers like Scott either, and so what are

750
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 7: you doing? But it's always great to go play.

751
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 8: Yeah, I really think it's important just to go and

752
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 8: just to go out and walk. You know, if you're

753
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 8: playing and your balls on the right hand side of

754
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 8: the fairway and you want to go and see, you know,

755
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 8: something that's open they had left hand side, it makes

756
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 8: an awfully difficult to do. So just important just just

757
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 8: to go and walk somebody else's courses, and just like

758
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 8: Brian said, just to just to go and ask questions

759
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 8: and bounce ideas. You know, there's some people in this

760
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 8: room that I really trust. And if I'm going to

761
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 8: make a change in something. Are gonna use something different

762
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 8: or do something different than I mean, I'm always gonna

763
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 8: go and ask a question first.

764
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 6: I think that's important.

765
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 2: I think for me it's both. But I think there

766
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 2: are different versions of playing golf. For me, playing golf

767
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be start on hold one, play eighteen holes,

768
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 2: grind it out, keep score, you know, keep track of

769
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 2: all your shots. Like for me, playing golf can be

770
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 2: just walking the golf course at the end of the day,

771
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 2: excuse me, with a wedge and a putter and hitting

772
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 2: a few shots, putting around, chipping. You know, I do

773
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 2: that frequently all day and that to me, that's as

774
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 2: important as anything else. It doesn't have to be eighteen holes,

775
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 2: you know, regimented. You know, it's okay to just go

776
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 2: play a hole or two or you know, and to

777
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 2: echo Brian what Brian said, you know, just walking getting

778
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 2: off the golf cart. Whether you're a golfer or a superintendent,

779
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 2: it's it's the best thing. You just you appreciate things

780
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 2: in a different way.

781
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 7: You know.

782
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 2: I walk the golf course every day that I can

783
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 2: in the winter and a lot of days in the summer.

784
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 2: You know, it's just a it's a good way to

785
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 2: see the golf course for me.

786
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it's important in the morning in the

787
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 8: summer just to walk. So for at least at least

788
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 8: one morning in the summer every week, just to walk

789
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 8: and don't walk in order. There's a lot of things

790
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 8: that I can see if you walk right down the

791
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 8: middle of the fairway every time. So I'm all over

792
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 8: the place. I mean, I'll lose my cart some days,

793
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 8: and I'm just kind of out about wandering around. But

794
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 8: I mean that's the only way that you're going to

795
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 8: go and see things, and you know, if you're on foot.

796
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 5: That's the way the architects do it too. I always

797
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 5: find it funny, having walk some courses. How you go

798
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 5: into a shop and if you're with an architect, the

799
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 5: staff is always like, oh, we got to you can

800
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 5: take a card and always walk. I see, the only

801
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 5: way you can see everything because you you can take

802
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 5: your time, and you know you're not driving to a

803
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 5: certain destination, so you can take sidetracks and everything. We're

804
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 5: gonna do like a scenario here, you know, So if

805
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 5: all you guys were moved a new job tomorrow and

806
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 5: you took over a course, that would had all the

807
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 5: typical American golf problems. It's too overwatered, overtreed, shrunk greens.

808
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 5: What would be kind of your first objectives?

809
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 7: Put a plan in place, just map it out, you know,

810
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 7: give give you know, if it's private, give the membership.

811
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 7: You know, your roadmap for the for the first year, goals,

812
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 7: how you're going to obtain the goals and go from there.

813
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, And I also think it depends on the architect.

814
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 8: What kind of course. Is it a Golden Age course?

815
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 8: Is it a new course. There's a lot that you

816
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 8: have to think about, and there's gonna be a lot

817
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,720
Speaker 8: of education, and there's a good chance that it's probably

818
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 8: if it is overtreated or overwatered or whatever, it's by

819
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 8: being away for a long time. So to go and

820
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 8: take your time, go and develop a plan. If you

821
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 8: have an architect, try and develop a master plan and

822
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 8: go that route. But a lot of education.

823
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think typically, you know, we're maybe a unique

824
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 2: group because we've been at courses that have worked with

825
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 2: great architects and have an architectural pedigree. But if I

826
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 2: take a new job, first thing I'm looking at as

827
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: grass and it's pretty likely that the reason they hired

828
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 2: me is because they're not happy with the turf, and

829
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 2: so you know, having a background in architecture would allow

830
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 2: me to think of things a little bit differently. But ultimately,

831
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 2: you know, you originally hired typically to grow grass, and

832
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 2: you know, you make a plan and hopefully you can

833
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 2: make architectural improvements in house or however, you know, to

834
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 2: to allow people to have more fun and enjoy the

835
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 2: golf course.

836
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 5: So what's the most unique and resourceful solution that you've

837
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 5: come up with for a problem at your course.

838
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:38,720
Speaker 1: It's a good one. Yeah, you're not. I mean.

839
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 7: I think we always try to look on you know,

840
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 7: what can we reuse?

841
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 1: Right, I know, just trying to like reuse.

842
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 7: I did a couple of fairway expansions last spring and

843
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 7: just you know, where can I reuse that that rough sod?

844
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 7: So we covered up some some stump holes.

845
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 6: Uh.

846
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 8: And I think in my operation, it's really I think,

847
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 8: like everybody else in this room, we're having a tough

848
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 8: time with labor, and it's how can how can we

849
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 8: go and change things and go and go and develop

850
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 8: or keep the same conditions but with a lot less inputs,

851
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 8: whether it's Triplex's which for.

852
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 6: The longest time was.

853
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 8: You know, it was against the rules to have a

854
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 8: triplex and a green you know, they work just fine,

855
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 8: and they cut just as good as a walk mower.

856
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 8: And if we can go and go and get away

857
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 8: with it, that's the third of the guys that we

858
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 8: would have the walk mall just you know, different things

859
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 8: like that, if we can go and get rid of

860
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 8: the step cut and we can do that, and that's

861
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 8: one last guy in the morning. I think the bunker

862
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 8: maintenance and now has changed quite a bit. I don't

863
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 8: know about about all you guys, but uh, you know

864
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 8: now we're allowed to go and get away with only

865
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 8: giving a full rake in the bunkers maybe twice a

866
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 8: week and just go and touch them up rather than

867
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 8: send him a full.

868
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 6: Crew of six guys out every day.

869
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 8: There's just a lot I think in the maintenance that

870
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 8: that we do every day and don't even think about.

871
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 6: It's kind of a hard question to ask.

872
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 2: Yeah'm probably not going to directly answer your question because

873
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 2: I can't think of anything. But I think there's very

874
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 2: few like truly new ideas, and it's just sort of

875
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 2: adapting things that you wouldn't necessarily have done in different ways,

876
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: and that's not a very good answer. But one of

877
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 2: the things that we always focus is focus on is

878
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 2: trying to see what we're doing that it causes damage.

879
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 2: I'm sure these guys would agree that. You know, a

880
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: lot of times things don't look good on a golf course,

881
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 2: or you have areas that wear out turf, and you're like,

882
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 2: you know what is going on, and then you actually

883
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: observe what's happening with your staff or the routines that

884
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 2: you get into, and you're destroying your own turf because

885
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 2: guys are making turns in the same spots or you know,

886
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 2: you're doing things the same way. So it's just this

887
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 2: is not answering your question, but it's something else that

888
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 2: you know, we just trying to realize that we can

889
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 2: sometimes be our own worse enemy. Less is more at times.

890
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's no doubt.

891
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 8: I mean I think that we've probably all want killed

892
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 8: more grass than a disease, golf or anything.

893
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, sometimes it makes perfect sense in your mind and

894
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 7: then you do it and you're like, I don't know, hey, Funnerberg.

895
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: What do you think of this? Ure?

896
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 2: By nature? We always want to try to do something

897
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 2: to fix things. Yes, less more yes, sometimes the best

898
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 2: thing to do is nothing.

899
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,240
Speaker 7: Do you really need a roll today?

900
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 2: Probably not?

901
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, So November first, you guys have touched on it

902
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,760
Speaker 5: a little bit. But you know, one of our members

903
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 5: of our audience urged me that we had to talk

904
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 5: about water usage. Is that something that you found less

905
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 5: is more is good with water?

906
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 2: It depends on the circumstance, you know, it's just everything circumstantial. So,

907
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 2: you know, bobblink, you know, we strive for firm, fast conditions. However,

908
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 2: seven twy percent of our golf rounds are with golf carts.

909
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: It's just what it's the way the members operate. So,

910
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 2: you know, whereas we would like to never water our

911
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: fairways because we could get away with it, we have

912
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: a lot of golf carts running overhere those areas. So

913
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 2: we have to find a balance between what's appropriate for

914
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 2: play and what is going to keep grass alive. And

915
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 2: so typically it's it's always better to be too dry

916
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 2: than too wet.

917
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: But I always add more.

918
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 2: You can always add more.

919
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: Hard to take it away.

920
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 2: It's very hard to take it away if we're you know,

921
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 2: we're in a place that floods. You know more, too

922
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 2: much water is always worse than not enough, so probably

923
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 2: less is more most most cases.

924
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, and just knowing when right. You gotta know when

925
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 7: to push doesn't matter. You know what Brian Palmer's doing.

926
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 7: You want to push, but you like, no, that's a

927
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,959
Speaker 7: bad idea. You know, I'm gonna be a little soft

928
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 7: today and you know, spend the heads to night. But yeah,

929
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,439
Speaker 7: it's just knowing when when and when not to, probably.

930
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: More importantly when not to.

931
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, sometimes you gotta put your ego aside and do

932
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 7: what's best for the plant.

933
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 5: What's your biggest pet?

934
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 7: Peeves, Oh, it's a lot, there's a lot. I hate

935
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 7: when people slam the golf stick on the green. It's like,

936
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 7: come on right, spend over. I just hate it. It's

937
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 7: just like, let me put it here and then drop it.

938
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 7: Oh my gosh, it just drives me crazy.

939
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 2: I do that sometimes. Yeah, I'm an offender.

940
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, just bend over.

941
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 7: And you know there's always that one guy you see

942
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,439
Speaker 7: walks over the edge and puts it down.

943
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: You're like, that guy gets it, you know.

944
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 8: I think now again, like most people in this whole

945
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 8: room would would agree with with all these new spikes.

946
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,479
Speaker 8: It's just if we could all have some nice old

947
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 8: old school metal spikes again, and just go and keep

948
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 8: your feet quiet, don't be moving, no twisting, don't drag

949
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 8: your feet. I mean, just gon't think about the people

950
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 8: that are playing behind you, because you know you have

951
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 8: two people that are dragging their heels all over the places.

952
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 8: It's just kind of destroyed for the rest of the day.

953
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 6: And I don't like when.

954
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 8: I mean, it isn't always a caddy, but it'll be

955
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 8: a member as well when the flag stick is in

956
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 8: the cup and they'll go and and take like the

957
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 8: flag and go and bend at a forty five degree angle,

958
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 8: and then for the whole rest of the day the

959
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 8: flags kind of rock and just kind of sway in

960
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 8: the breeze at an angle because the whole whole cup's ruined.

961
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 5: I agree.

962
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 2: You know we're going to get into overrated, underrated.

963
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 5: But golf shoes way overrated.

964
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 6: Gosh, yeah, I agree.

965
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 2: I could go down the rabbit hole of like grumpy

966
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 2: super gripes. But all I will say is that when

967
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 2: I grew up growing up learning how to play golf,

968
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 2: my grandfather and my father would always tell me it

969
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 2: was like the first rule, you always leave the golf

970
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 2: course in better condition than when you step foot on it.

971
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 2: And now my dad was superintendent. I don't know if

972
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 2: other people learned golf that way, but I was always taught.

973
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 2: You know, you fix your ball mark and one other

974
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 2: at least you always repair a divot if it's unrepaired.

975
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 2: And so for me, you know, the biggest complaint is that,

976
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 2: and we should just do this in life generally, is

977
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 2: try to leave things better than the way we found them.

978
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 2: I just wish more people sort of had that attitude

979
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 2: with golf courses. I see it every golf course you

980
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 2: go to, you know, unfixed ball marks, un rake bunkers, divots,

981
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 2: it's the same stuff, you know, taking a post down

982
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 2: to hit a shot and don't put it back up,

983
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. It's just common courtesy.

984
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 3: I'm a do sweeping offender, and we talked about morning

985
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:59,760
Speaker 3: routine earlier, unapologetic do sweeping offender. So on a scale

986
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 3: of one to ten, with ten being like super nova

987
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 3: level of annoyed, how annoyed is Dan Lucas at Kingsley

988
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 3: Club with me for going out and starting about five

989
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 3: minutes before the official start time every time I play,

990
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 3: and running up on his guys who are trying to

991
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:16,720
Speaker 3: mow greens and fairways.

992
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure.

993
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 7: The operators are probably more frustrated than anything. It's not

994
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 7: you that's necessarily the problem, but I think it's you know,

995
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 7: our staff.

996
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: We teach to be courteous and to get out.

997
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 7: Of the way, and you know, the first people offerre

998
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 7: they're always like, well, I don't care if they're in

999
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 7: my way, but yeah, they're gonna pull off to the side,

1000
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 7: And it's just that compounding, you know, effect on everything

1001
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 7: else that you know, five minutes here, a minute there where.

1002
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 7: Next thing you know, you're making the turn and you're,

1003
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 7: you know, a half hour behind. And now the people

1004
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 7: that do care are the ones that are you know,

1005
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 7: you're waiting on.

1006
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 1: And once you wait.

1007
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 6: You're done.

1008
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 7: You might as well just start rolling the green and

1009
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,879
Speaker 7: get the do off and head home because it's hard

1010
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:01,720
Speaker 7: to catch up. Yeah.

1011
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 8: I mean, if it's a person that's gonna go out

1012
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 8: and do it every day, then the crew is gonna

1013
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 8: know who it is and know that you don't care

1014
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 8: if you keep mowing, so just keep going. You know,

1015
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:12,359
Speaker 8: you're not a person if there's a lot of doing

1016
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 8: the green, you're not gonna go and line it up.

1017
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 8: You probably gonna have your bag in your back and

1018
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:16,879
Speaker 8: go put it and then if it's close, you're gonna

1019
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 8: pick it up.

1020
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 5: Right.

1021
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 6: So this isn't too big of a deal.

1022
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 8: But you know, if it's a forceom that wants everything

1023
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 8: to be taken care of prior to them, it can

1024
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 8: make it pretty tricky. But we always need to find

1025
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 8: a way. Scott talked about the problem solving and it's

1026
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 8: a pretty cool aspect of our job, and yeah, we'll

1027
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 8: figure it out.

1028
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 2: It's it's the it's the expectations of the deuce sweeper.

1029
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 2: You know, if it's somebody that's gonna take their time

1030
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 2: and realize that you know, like like Brian said that

1031
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 2: if we don't get the golf course prepared, you might

1032
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 2: not care, but the guys behind you probably do care

1033
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 2: if the golf course isn't perfect when they get there.

1034
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 2: And so so, you know, if we lose that one

1035
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:07,879
Speaker 2: opportunity of the day to work unimpeded, then it does

1036
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 2: sort of set everything else back. So a lot of times,

1037
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 2: if we have an early group that you know, wants

1038
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 2: to tee off early or you know, play really quick,

1039
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 2: we send them out in front of our maintenance and

1040
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 2: then have them loop back around. And it's sort of

1041
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 2: that way. It doesn't impede our routine because we you know,

1042
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 2: our schedules. I mean, it seems very simple and it

1043
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 2: really it's not rocket science, but we put a lot

1044
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 2: of effort into figuring out who's going to do what

1045
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 2: and how certain pieces are going to fit together to

1046
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 2: be able to get things mode raked, watered, rolled, of course,

1047
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 2: set up done, you know, all in an order that

1048
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 2: makes sense so that when guys finish those jobs, they

1049
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 2: can move on to their next task. And you know,

1050
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 2: if you haven't. We always deal with unexpected things equipment

1051
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 2: breaks down or whatnot. But you know, having a forty

1052
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 2: five minute delay or fifteen minute delay on one thing

1053
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 2: can set something else back, you know, twofold. So it's

1054
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 2: it's really just all the planning, but it's what makes

1055
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 2: it fun. It's like a chess match. You know, you're

1056
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 2: at the pawn and we're the king.

1057
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 6: Question.

1058
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 4: It kind of goes with the annoyances As a superintendent.

1059
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 4: One of my biggest pet peeves is watching other superintendents peves.

1060
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 2: On social media because at the.

1061
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 4: End of the day, that's what they're painous to do,

1062
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 4: and we've seen it over the years, and I know

1063
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 4: that's pretty well. I'm sure social media is gonna come up.

1064
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 4: But what you guys think about.

1065
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 7: Your communication and social media?

1066
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 4: I'm sure you've seen that in your community out there,

1067
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 4: there's definitely.

1068
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:53,320
Speaker 2: There.

1069
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 4: But do you guys feel about what should be out there?

1070
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 7: What's too much shou Yeah, I just don't put anything

1071
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 7: out there.

1072
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 1: I think.

1073
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 7: You know Twitter, right, I think it can be extremely useful,

1074
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 7: but also I think it could be pretty negative at times.

1075
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 7: And yeah, you just got to be really careful with that.

1076
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 7: I don't I just stay away from it. It's uh,

1077
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 7: if you're not doing it, you can't you know, offend

1078
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 7: anybody or but yeah, it's it's tricky. I don't think

1079
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 7: either of us really do too much on it. But

1080
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 7: I think it could be useful, you know, course conditions

1081
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:34,919
Speaker 7: this and that.

1082
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, it's.

1083
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 5: Like I think I've said enough. It's like when I

1084
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 5: always get frustrated when journalists or like you know, influencers

1085
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 5: on social media take to like their travel problems. It's like,

1086
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 5: I don't follow you for your travel problems.

1087
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 2: I hate that. Yeah, I think knowes what happened.

1088
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 5: More positive you know point out the.

1089
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:07,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you know, I'm moderately engaged on social media.

1090
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 2: I think it's an interesting platform. There's a lot of

1091
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 2: people that give in put interesting information on social media,

1092
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 2: but I'm not I do not engage in conversation or

1093
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 2: state opinions or it's just it's it's unfortunate because you know,

1094
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 2: when you meet someone face to face and you have

1095
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 2: a conversation, uh, there's very rarely. You know, there are

1096
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 2: certain people and there are certain you know, incidents, but

1097
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 2: people are generally nice to each other. And when you're

1098
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 2: behind a device, you know that filter. And it's not

1099
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 2: saying that everybody needs to be filtered all the time,

1100
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 2: but people just feel like they can say whatever they

1101
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 2: want and you don't realize that anyone can see it.

1102
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 2: And it's just a it's a slippery slope. It's a

1103
00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:00,080
Speaker 2: slippery slope. I think it's it's a big mistake to

1104
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 2: state opinions because you never know it could come back

1105
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 2: and the next job you apply for, the guy looks

1106
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 2: at your Twitter and it feels completely opposite of you

1107
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 2: politically or you know, especially politics. You know, that's like

1108
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 2: the last thing you want to put on social media.

1109
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,919
Speaker 2: Because you might need to be hired again someday and

1110
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 2: they could come back to bite you. It's silly, but

1111
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 2: that's the world we live in. I think.

1112
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 5: If Phil perfect, the question, the question is what is

1113
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:40,439
Speaker 5: your perfect day on a golf course look like? From

1114
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 5: a superintendent?

1115
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: Superintendent?

1116
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 7: So, first off the bat right, everyone shows up, no breakdowns.

1117
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 7: It's probably maybe starts off morning fifty to fifty five,

1118
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 7: slight breeze from the north, maybe a little bit of clouds,

1119
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 7: and then it opens up, gets.

1120
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: To about seventy two.

1121
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 7: You know, take take the sweater off.

1122
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: And that's about it.

1123
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 7: Hang the hose up for the day. Maybe drive around,

1124
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 7: say hi, make sure everything's good. It's probably my dream day.

1125
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I'm pretty close to Brian there.

1126
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 8: As long as everyone's on time, nothing breaks down, you know,

1127
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 8: obviously the conditions are what you want. It to be

1128
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 8: pretty dry, hopefully have a clear day. You don't go

1129
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 8: and find anything unexpected out there. You know, there isn't

1130
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 8: a dead deer in a fairway, or does skunk here.

1131
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 6: Something like that.

1132
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 8: That's always kind of fun to deal with. But yeah,

1133
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 8: just a nice day with no obstructions and no unexpected

1134
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 8: events would be nice.

1135
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: Maybe good lunch too.

1136
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 7: It's a nice lunch, would really tie it all together.

1137
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 6: That's some pretzels.

1138
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 1: Pretzel.

1139
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 2: It starts with a good cup of coffee, fifty five degrees,

1140
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 2: gets up to about seventy, no clouds, and then being

1141
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 2: a mile and a half from Lake Michigan, the air

1142
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 2: conditioner turns on, gets to about seventy five and then

1143
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 2: next thing you know, it's sixty seven clear day.

1144
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: Throw the sweater back on.

1145
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, put the sweater back on. Now, you know there

1146
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 2: is Every day is a good day if you're on

1147
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 2: a golf course. In my opinion. I agree, even the

1148
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 2: worst day on a golf course is better than the

1149
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 2: best day stuck in an office in my opinion. So

1150
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 2: you know, I like my job, the good and the bad,

1151
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 2: the weather. You know, it's also fun sometimes when it's

1152
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 2: pouring down rain and you're out there walking around with

1153
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 2: a rain suit on, and you come in and people

1154
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 2: look at you like you're absolutely insane, and you're like,

1155
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 2: this is awesome. You know, I'm out in the rain,

1156
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 2: and you know you're stuck in traffic somewhere. So I

1157
00:59:56,560 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 2: like it all. I like the turf part and the

1158
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 2: architecture part and the my staff part, the political stuff

1159
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 2: with the membership is probably the least fun part of it.

1160
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 2: At times, I've got a great membership, but you know,

1161
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 2: those are the things that make the job difficult. It

1162
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 2: was just grass and our staff, it'd be a piece

1163
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 2: of cake.

1164
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, So do you have to fight to get does

1165
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 3: the office have a gravitational pull for you in your

1166
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 3: day or do you have to fight to get out

1167
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 3: there on the course and stay out on the course.

1168
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 7: Or no, No, it's the opposite. It's like you got

1169
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 7: to find it makes the time to be.

1170
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: In the office.

1171
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 7: That's my least favorite part, dealing with paperwork and yeah,

1172
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 7: outside all.

1173
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: The time.

1174
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 6: With Brian. I don't know.

1175
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 8: If I do spend time in the office, it's after

1176
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 8: course set up, so maybe like an hour or two

1177
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 8: prior to lunch, and then all afternoon out on the

1178
01:00:58,040 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 8: course and all evening.

1179
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. Probably, much to the dismay of our accountant. The

1180
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 2: bills tend to stack up on the desk because that's

1181
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 2: the last thing you want to do with it inside

1182
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 2: On a nice day or even or if it's a

1183
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 2: bad day, you don't want to sit in the office either.

1184
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 2: You want to either be gone or be out doing

1185
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 2: something so playing in the flood. Not yeah exactly, but

1186
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 2: the galoshes on.

1187
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 5: What's the like nerdiest golf rabbit hole you find yourself

1188
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 5: going down a.

1189
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 2: Lot, uh historicerials dot com or Google maps or I

1190
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 2: just love like, like especially if you can find like

1191
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 2: different eras of photos, just like watching how golf courses evolve.

1192
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 2: And uh, it's I mean, that's when I get sucked

1193
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 2: in the office if I start looking at aerial photos,

1194
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 2: because hours will pass and I'll be like a little geez,

1195
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 2: I gotta get home.

1196
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm with Scott.

1197
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 8: There's there's so much online you're talking about, all the information.

1198
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 8: You can watch courses of all of them. You can

1199
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 8: go in see your property and hopefully you know, you

1200
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 8: end up like coming across an old image of your

1201
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 8: place or something like that they haven't seen before. But

1202
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 8: all the information, all the old black and whites. It's fantastic.

1203
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, same you just yeah, we're shoot at six o'clock.

1204
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 6: I gotta go.

1205
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 5: Where's the weirdest place that you found something really cool

1206
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 5: at your club?

1207
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 7: Ah? Well, I don't know if I want to talk

1208
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 7: about it, but I've found some weird stuff borderline gruesome,

1209
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 7: but yeah, I don't think I want to share it.

1210
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 7: I kind of was one of those things you wish

1211
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 7: you get on, say.

1212
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 2: It's getting dark, it is getting dark.

1213
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1214
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 7: It's always good to get up in the attic and basement.

1215
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 7: And one of the first things I did was just

1216
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 7: clean the shop. And the amount of old periodicals you

1217
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 7: find and the stuff that you're kind of grateful that

1218
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 7: somebody decided to keep old magazines from like the twenties

1219
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 7: and thirties.

1220
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1221
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's always pretty interesting just to go cleaning and

1222
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 8: just to look. I mean, obviously you're gonna expect to

1223
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 8: go and go and find some old old maps and

1224
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 8: a map drawer, but you know it's the one on

1225
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 8: the bottom or the one that's rolled up in the

1226
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 8: back forty somewhere that you go.

1227
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 6: You know, it's almost like you strake gold. That's fun.

1228
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, pretty much the same. We did find some

1229
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:31,479
Speaker 2: cool stuff when we rebuilt the golf course. We found

1230
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 2: some arrowheads and some horse old horseshoes and like a

1231
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 2: railroad spike, and you know, you just kind of wonder, like,

1232
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 2: how did that stuff get there? Why is it here?

1233
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 2: You know, Bob iLINK was a horse farm at one time.

1234
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 2: It just kind of makes you think, like, man, some

1235
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 2: of these trees have been here that long. You know

1236
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 2: that if there's only the trees had eyes, you know,

1237
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,479
Speaker 2: tell me what had happened here two hundred years ago.

1238
01:03:55,880 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 3: What role does photography, either historic or current play, and

1239
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 3: how you're able to do your job.

1240
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 7: I think from a documentation standpoint, it's great, you know,

1241
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 7: with Scott just doing that big project, if you can

1242
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 7: get an actual picture of you know, what you put

1243
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 7: in drainage wise, or you know, the use of drones

1244
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 7: now where you can you know, use it to log information,

1245
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 7: you know, power lines and stuff like that, so you

1246
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 7: can go and find it at.

1247
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 1: A later date.

1248
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 7: And then obviously for you know, all future work you're

1249
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 7: looking to do to have that historical documentation. And it's

1250
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 7: a big difference between you know, having the you know,

1251
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 7: two thousand foot overview versus you know shots of you know,

1252
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 7: your approachot into the green where you could.

1253
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 1: Get that third dimension look to it. I think it's

1254
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 1: it's all important.

1255
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 7: It's really just you know, what are you trying to do?

1256
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 7: Are you going to make changes for the future, and

1257
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 7: you want to do it too, How it was you know,

1258
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 7: original architect intent. Then yeah, I mean how else you

1259
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 7: can to do it? There's nobody around you know who

1260
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 7: built short acres and can tell you, well, I remember

1261
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 7: putting that tree there.

1262
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's all about documentation. I mean, if it's a

1263
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 8: couple of trees, you're gonna take out. If it's a project,

1264
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 8: like you said, so that the future superintendent or whoever

1265
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 8: that person is now going to know that there's a

1266
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 8: pipe here, there's power here, because that's probably the worst

1267
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 8: part of the job, is to go and dig a

1268
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 8: hole and go and go and find something, or go

1269
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 8: and hit something that you shouldn't hit.

1270
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 6: I think everyone in this room could have tested that.

1271
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I think it's super important. I think one

1272
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 2: of the things I talked to the guys that work

1273
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 2: for me about is taking meaningful pictures. I mean, the

1274
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 2: smartphone is probably the best and worst invention you know,

1275
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 2: in history, But for like, I basically use photos as

1276
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 2: a journal. Like I just take as many photos as

1277
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 2: I possibly can can, all the time. And then you know,

1278
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 2: with technology, Google Photos uploads everything and I can look

1279
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 2: at it on my computer. I can go to the

1280
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 2: date it's GEO tagged, so I can search Highland Park

1281
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 2: and it'll show me all the photo you know. It's

1282
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 2: just it's so great, and it's such an easy way

1283
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 2: to to catalog things and to you know, just keep

1284
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 2: track of what you're doing. And you know, it's it's

1285
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 2: really hard to remember what the golf course looked like

1286
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 2: two weeks after we airified in twenty sixteen or whatever,

1287
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 2: but I've taken photos of it so I can go

1288
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 2: back and say, you know, well, actually the greens look

1289
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 2: the same two weeks this year as they did two

1290
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 2: years ago, you know, because perception is, you know, you

1291
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 2: just our memories aren't that good. We're not built that way.

1292
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 2: So photos are great. I mean, the more photos are better.

1293
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably too many for me at least.

1294
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, same here, but yeah, you know I need you

1295
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 2: don't have to buy film anymore, so it's great.

1296
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 7: The more hours, you know.

1297
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've got like two hard drives filled up with photos.

1298
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 5: I look through them whenever I get depressed about where

1299
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 5: the PGA tour is playing. So we're gonna do some

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Speaker 5: rapid fire question, well maybe just one rapid fire question

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Speaker 5: and then get to overrated underrated, so you know, you

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Speaker 5: can say one word about whether they're overrated, underrated, or

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Speaker 5: you can expand on your answer. So up first, what's

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Speaker 5: better for taking pictures? Sunrise or sunset?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think sunset. I mean, nothing beats a good sunrise.

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Speaker 1: You get the color. But I always feel like.

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Speaker 7: Shadows in the evening are a little bit more uh

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Speaker 7: sexy to my eye.

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Speaker 8: I'm a sunset person, just like you said, the shadows.

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Speaker 8: There's some really neat things that you don't see any

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Speaker 8: other time.

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Speaker 6: Of the day.

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Speaker 2: Depends on the angle. It's all about angles. Sometimes some

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Speaker 2: goods are some holes are good at sunrise, some are

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Speaker 2: good at sunset. See, I'm a sun ride.

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Speaker 5: There's something about the morning light when it gets to

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Speaker 5: a certain part how the golf course, like sun lights

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Speaker 5: up that I'm into.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I feel like you got a little more time

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Speaker 7: in the evening as well.

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Speaker 1: I think if you if you miss it, yeah, you've

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Speaker 1: got it in the morning. Year that's it.

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Speaker 5: There's like twenty minutes in the morning, yeah, where.

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Speaker 7: You got maybe thirty five or forty in the air evening.

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Speaker 5: All right. Overrated, underrated ball washers, overrated.

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Speaker 9: Overrated, overrated, underrated coffee, highly underrated.

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Speaker 6: But underrated underrated.

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Speaker 5: Is there a do you guys each have like a

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Speaker 5: a designated coffee maker in the shop.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, we've got two, one for myself and then

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Speaker 7: the rest of the staff. They don't like it as

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Speaker 7: strong as I do, so we had to buy another

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Speaker 7: one at least upot a day.

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Speaker 2: That explains a lot.

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01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:17,839
Speaker 5: Do you ever get too caffeinated.

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01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 1: Shaken?

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01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 6: Yeah? I do, and then as soon as I do,

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01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:22,599
Speaker 6: my assistance can tell.

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01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 7: He said way too much today, just pacing.

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01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 5: Uh overrated, underrated green speeds.

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Speaker 8: Hmmm, I think they're overrated, but uh, you know, for

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01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 8: guys like us at private clubs, we have to keep

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01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 8: up with with the expectations, if you know, if that's

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01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 8: what you know, the members are all our bosses, so

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01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:48,640
Speaker 8: if that's what they want, then that's what we have

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Speaker 8: to give them.

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Speaker 7: I can go underrated because I think there's an importance

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Speaker 7: with green speed.

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Speaker 1: And and how how.

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Speaker 7: It plays, you know. I think more often than not,

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01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 7: if you're you make up too fast, you're gonna you're

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01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 7: gonna take away the fun for a lot of people.

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01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:11,840
Speaker 1: So I think it's important. I'm gonna go underrated. I

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Speaker 1: think it's key to.

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01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 7: Determine, you know, what's what's the limit at.

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Speaker 1: Your course and then kind of stick within that range.

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01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 2: I think I think it's probably underrated, and not meaning

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01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 2: that faster is better, but to what Brian just touched

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Speaker 2: on that the right speed, but I think I'm gonna cheat.

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Speaker 2: But I think what's underrated is the speed of your

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Speaker 2: approaches and fair ways.

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01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, and right ball roll If you're rolling fourteen but

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01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:44,839
Speaker 7: you're bouncing everywhere, yeah, I'd rather be rolling.

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01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:45,839
Speaker 1: Eight and smooth.

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Speaker 5: What's the thing that you work, like, the aspect of

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01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 5: your maintenance that you work the hardest on that gets

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Speaker 5: the least appreciation.

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Speaker 7: Probably not by choice, but bunkers, My gosh, it's a

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Speaker 7: ridiculous amount of labor we spend on bunkers. It's probably it,

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Speaker 7: I don't know, it's probably all the little stuff we

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01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:18,759
Speaker 7: do too, the grooming, you know, the it's the stuff

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Speaker 7: that we're doing in spring to gear us up for

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01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 7: you know, the midsummer to have it playing great that

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01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 7: probably you know, goes unnoticed.

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01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:30,599
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong.

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Speaker 2: It's it's the stuff that every golfer hates. It's the aerification,

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01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:40,240
Speaker 2: the verder cutting, the top dressing, the it's it's that

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01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 2: stuff that uh you know, we only do because we

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01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 2: want the golf course to be better for the members.

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01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 2: But unfortunately we need that time to intervene and the

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01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 2: golf course doesn't play as well. So for sure, that's

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01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:57,600
Speaker 2: that's the worst thing, because none of us want to

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01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 2: have a crappy golf course, you know, so we just

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01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:04,679
Speaker 2: try to make the best decisions, and unfortunately that stuff

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01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:10,759
Speaker 2: is largely unappreciated and hated by the golfers.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree one hundred percent.

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01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 8: I mean, when a golfer isn't happy because the golf

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01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 8: course has just been verified, don't think for one split

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01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 8: second that myself and my staff is is really excited

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01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 8: about a lot of holes in the greens. But it's

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Speaker 8: something that we have to do to go and provide

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01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 8: the you know, the conditions that are desired. So so

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01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:34,719
Speaker 8: we do it and we try to heal as quickly

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Speaker 8: as possible.

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Speaker 3: On the subject of bunkers, if you could waive a

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Speaker 3: magic wand and change expectations for bunker maintenance away from

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01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 3: kind of the PGA tour standard that I think we're

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Speaker 3: prey to in this country to something that's reasonable, how

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Speaker 3: would you describe that, How would you really like to

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Speaker 3: maintain your bunkers.

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Speaker 6: If it was just up to you, if you were king.

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01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 1: I just wouldn't like to make data. Just let them be.

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01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 1: I think if I don't know, it's I think what Brian.

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01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 7: Does up at chore Acres is pretty good. Unfortunately, with

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01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 7: my circumstance, I can't put a trap rake machine in

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Speaker 7: our bunkers, but we.

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Speaker 1: Try to.

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Speaker 7: Do less of a full rake and more spot rake

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01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 7: in It's just it's just time consuming. But I think

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01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 7: it's you know, the golfer, you know, you need to

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01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:32,720
Speaker 7: be aware of who's playing behind you, and you know,

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01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 7: pick the rake up, and you know, don't just you know,

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Speaker 7: rake it right. You know, you should walk out of

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Speaker 7: a bunker and feel comfortable knowing that if you hit

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01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:45,600
Speaker 7: your ball in there, you'd be Olka playing it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that.

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Speaker 8: Just to give them a great rake every Tuesday morning, uh,

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01:13:57,439 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 8: and then just go and go and do it again

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01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 8: on the the following Tuesday morning, just so everything's at

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01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:02,719
Speaker 8: the same spot.

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01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:04,839
Speaker 6: But if everyone is doing the job, whether.

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01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:07,640
Speaker 8: It's the golfer, a caddie, whoever's playing, to go and

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01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:10,559
Speaker 8: clean up after themselves. Like Scott said, make sure that

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01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 8: the course is in a lot better shape than when

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01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 8: you went and set foot in the first tee.

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01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 6: But I don't have to do as much.

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01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:19,720
Speaker 8: But yeah, those are the expectations we have here in

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01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 8: the States, I think, get back to the UK. I

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01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 8: mean the only place that we saw bunkers fully raked

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01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 8: was Monday morning at Saint Andrew's at the Old Course.

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01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 8: I mean everything else was you know, go use your

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01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 8: foot whatever, just just going clean up after yourself.

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01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 2: I think it's it's a tough question to answer for me,

1435
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 2: because you know, I've worked at the PGA tour sites

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01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 2: and I've done that, and reflecting back to the Links

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01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:57,640
Speaker 2: golf courses, you know, it makes sense there that the

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01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 2: bunkers aren't raked every day because it's just what fits,

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01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 2: you know. But at Bobblink, we've created, we have a

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01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 2: totally one hundred percent created environment, and we have sand

1441
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 2: on top of soil that literally does not drain at all.

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01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 2: And so for me to say that I would like

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01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:20,320
Speaker 2: to just not maintain them, it doesn't really make sense

1444
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 2: because it wouldn't be I don't I think we would

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01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 2: lose some of the architectural integrity because we've it's they're

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01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:34,719
Speaker 2: totally created you know what I mean, and so I'm

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01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 2: you know, we're fortunate. We rebuild all our bunkers. They're

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01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:40,639
Speaker 2: really easy to maintain, we have good drainage, we trap

1449
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 2: rake them. It's it takes. We have one hundred and

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01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 2: fifty thousand square feet of bunker, so they're huge. It's

1451
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:47,439
Speaker 2: actually easier to just do a full rake than it

1452
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 2: would be to walk in and try to touch up footprints.

1453
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:51,600
Speaker 2: So two guys full rake them in three hours in

1454
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 2: the morning and we're good to go. So I'm pretty

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01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 2: lucky in that regard.

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01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 5: All right, last question, if Tommy Rayner took over as

1457
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:03,559
Speaker 5: consulting architect of your club and said you need to

1458
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:09,600
Speaker 5: either install double wide cart paths throughout the property or

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01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 5: ten water fountains, which would you choose.

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01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:20,280
Speaker 7: Probably go with the fountains, like a nice fountain.

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01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:25,439
Speaker 2: I'm all about maintenance access, so I'll go with the

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01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:31,680
Speaker 2: car pass we can actually use those, and.

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01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:34,120
Speaker 8: I guess I'll go fountains as long as you're in

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01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:37,560
Speaker 8: Lake Michigan. Yeah, go put them in the lake and

1465
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:38,519
Speaker 8: that's fine.

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01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 5: All right, Thanks so much for you guys time. Thanks

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01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 5: Phil and Oak Park Country Club for hosting this and

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01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:51,559
Speaker 5: uh Jason and Keith from Heralds from setting this up

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01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 5: and hope everybody enjoyed it.

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01:16:55,479 --> 01:17:05,559
Speaker 9: Thank you you've.

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Speaker 7: Been listening to the Fried Egg podcast.

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Speaker 2: We do the digging for you.