WEBVTT - S2E1 - This Guilty Blood 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:37.280 Welcome back, folks, to return to the shadows. Dumb. We've 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:40.319 had a little break here we are here, we are, 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:43.400 We're back at it. How are you. I'm fantastic, Thank you? 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:45.760 How are you? I'm good. I'm good. Life has been 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:48.760 going and we're all over the world once again, but 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:52.599 back in the shadow world. That's that seems to be 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:55.720 somewhat synonymous with what we've chosen to do for a career. 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:59.080 And that's fine. We get to we get to be everywhere. 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:01.960 It's a real gift, really is well, speaking of what 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:04.600 we've chosen to do for a career, we're back to 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:07.000 the rewatches and we've made it all the way to 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:10.240 Season two episode one. Yes, we have here to dive in. 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:13.560 I'm ready to dive in. Born ready, all right, Well, 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:17.040 here we are, Season two episode one, this Guilty Blood. 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:21.080 The original air date was January two. The writer was 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:24.319 the lovely Michael Reese. Director Matthew Hastings. This is the 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:27.160 first time we had Matt Hastings on the show, as 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:30.600 well as Todd Slavkin and Darren Swimmer are show runners 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:34.759 for season two onward. This episode again stars myself as 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:38.760 Clarie Frey, Tom Sherwood Alberto Rosende, Matthew Daria, Amarad to 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:41.720 bia isa A Mustafa, Harry Sham Jr. With guest stars 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:45.840 Alan Van sprang At, Maxim Roy, John Core, Nick Sagar's 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:50.760 premiere on the show, Nicola Karad Mood and Stephanie Bennett. Wow. 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:54.320 What a kick ass group of guest stars for this 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:58.360 episode of our real heavy Hitters. We got some fun 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:03.160 stuff that really kicks often in this episode, literally and figuratively. 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:08.160 Speaking of literally and figuratively, whyn't you tell us where 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:11.160 we left? So for those who are just joining us 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:13.080 or who have also taken a bit of a break 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:16.000 and listening, here's a little great cap where we left off. 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:18.960 Jason's conflict between do dy to the Clave and duty 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:22.120 to his family leaves him on a ship with Valentine's 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:25.400 growing shadow Hunter army. Meanwhile, the rest of the gang 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:30.280 deals with the shock of Jace's departure and Jocelyn's reawakening. Well, 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:34.400 there we go, and in the midst of the chaos 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:36.360 that we were left with at the end of season one, 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:40.280 the hunt is now on for Ja's The Institute is 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:43.680 in upheaval after Jas's departure with Valentine, only hours have 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:46.000 passed since Jas left with Valentine, and all hell has 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:49.200 broken loose at the Institute. Alec Isabelle and Clary are 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:51.760 desperate to find Jace, but quickly stopped in their tracks 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:54.200 by the arrival of the one and only Victor older 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:56.880 Tree played by Nick Saga. We're very excited if you 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:59.560 ought to meet him, who means business about getting the 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:02.360 Institute back on track, but getting the New York shadow 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:05.919 Hunters in line with the Clave maybe counterintuitive to alec 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:09.560 Isabelle and Clary's plan to rescue Jace. Meanwhile, Jocelyn has 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:11.359 a lot to catch up on now she is awake 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:14.760 and that the truth, it certainly is, and a few 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:17.480 things I didn't know book to screen or didn't didn't 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:20.200 fully remember thanks to our lovely producers who put together 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:23.680 these briefs for us. Actually, the episode name This Guilty 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:25.920 Blood is also the name of the ninth chapter of 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:28.080 City of Glass, which is one of my favorite of 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:32.480 the books. That is the third book, also Valentine. We 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:35.600 made Valentine more brutal, which I didn't think was possible 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:39.080 because in the books Valentine feeds the demonic blood to 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:42.440 Jocelyn through his cooking um as we know his famous 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:45.400 spaghetti etcetera. But in our show, he just injects it 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:50.960 right into her roomb, right into the into the unborn baby. Yeah, 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:53.640 we'll get into those scenes later because we have some 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:56.200 fun stuff to talk about relation to that. So diving 0:03:56.240 --> 0:03:59.040 straight into the episode at first, what we saw in 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:01.840 season one was, well, we saw what one theme we 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:04.120 saw lat in season one was the concept of dreams, 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:07.640 and especially with Clarie and Jay's, how they influence and 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:10.200 how they kind of foretell different things that are going 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:13.440 to happen or have happened, or sort of different meanings 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:15.960 to what's going on. And this is exactly how we 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:19.680 start our season, which is a dream sequence of Jace's 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:23.600 in which he is seeing many things, but it's sort 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:26.760 of that altered reality where it's it's just it's dreams. 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:29.200 Is a dream sequence, isn't it? Though? When Clarie shows 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:33.600 up on the boat, No, this isn't a dream. This 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:36.160 isn't a dream. No, this is this is I was like, 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:38.480 what dream sequence we start with? No, this isn't a dream, 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:40.960 this is a this is a trick. This is a 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:46.320 Valentine laid trick. Oh that's right. So what we're looking 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:53.520 unfortunately almost worse. It's it is not a an ill 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:57.960 fated future seeing dream of a bunch of dead would 0:04:57.960 --> 0:04:59.920 be shadow Hunters who have dreamt who have drunk from 0:04:59.920 --> 0:05:02.960 the Mortal Cup. It's an actual bunch of dead human 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:05.960 beings who have drunk from the Mortal Cup strewn across 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:08.160 the top of the ship. Yeah. Yeah, we get to 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:10.080 see the Shape Shifter ruin for the first time or 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:11.680 for the second or third time, but it's one of 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:13.440 the first times you see the shape the Shape Shifter 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:16.479 run correct. I think the only time we saw it 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:20.440 before this was the when Lydia Brandwell shows up. Yeah, 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:25.119 that becomes very influential in our story moving forward. But yes, 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:28.680 this is this is fun. So this is like when 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:30.800 we started season two, we knew there's been some changes, 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:33.719 There's been some passing of the batter and I suppose 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:36.240 from one to another, and we knew that there was 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:38.200 a very different tone that we were going to try 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:40.360 and set, and we count and I especially got to 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:44.279 dive into this very quickly with our new stunt, It's True, 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:47.440 led by Darren McGuire, Dean cock CoV and a whole 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:50.200 host of other fantastic guys. I ended up with Aaron 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:52.560 as my double, who was amazing. I had Mary as 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:56.919 Becker's who is also incredible. M we had we had 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:59.039 an amazing group of people, which is very very cool. 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:01.800 And this we get see very early on, like in 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:04.840 the first ten seconds of season two. We get to 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:08.200 see the difference. We get to see what the intention 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:09.800 of the show is going to be for the for 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:12.120 the rest of the run, which is cool. Starting with 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:16.840 we have a new host of weapons steel or well, 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:18.640 they wouldn't have been steel, they would have been Adamus 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:21.600 in the story, but they were made out of stainless steel. 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:23.680 When we were seeing them in their pretty form, and 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:25.120 when we were fighting with them, they were made out 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:27.159 of Yeah, it's just a different look to the weapons, 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:29.960 the different interpretation of what the atomus is, and and 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:34.279 because Adams is described as a glowing supernatural metal in 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:37.040 the books, and so in season one we saw them 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:40.120 look kind of more on the tone of lightsaber esque, 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:43.400 where the actual blade itself glows all the time, And 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:46.600 in season two we got to to deepen that almost 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:49.240 and and now we have these blades that, as Dom said, 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:53.080 looked like stainless steel, but the rooms glow and the 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:56.680 light the angelic light almost dances across them when they 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:59.159 are imbued with you know, the power of a shadow 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:03.600 hunter ended. I think it's a great alternative interpretation to it, 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:07.120 but one that almost has more more to it, more 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:11.360 kind of depth than and play. I agree, And we 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:14.160 ended up so there's a great standoff here with between 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:16.760 Jason Valentine. So this is the first time we were 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:20.040 using these swords. And what's funny about these is so 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:22.720 when you see the camera's panel along the swords, this 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:25.800 wonderful shot there, these swords are actually quite heavy, these ones, 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:28.640 in particular, the longer versions of these swords are quite heavy, 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:30.640 and you're holding it steady. For as long as you're 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:33.240 holding it steady, it starts to wobble, and it's a 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:34.920 very close shot. And what we ended up having to 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:38.280 do is silk Jack of all trades, who ends up 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:40.360 being one of our wonderful directors, but was our first 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:44.400 dad on this. He held the tip of the sword 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:47.080 as soon as the camera had cleared and it's steadied 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:49.920 the blade, which made the shot look incredible. And then 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:51.760 obviously we switched to the rubber blades and and we 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:54.400 moved on. But this is cool, This was a cool 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:56.800 like setting of the tone. I think for me, this 0:07:56.840 --> 0:08:00.400 whole section of this episode, we were really started to 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:02.600 see like, oh, this is this is where we want 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:04.160 to be, this is where we want to be aiming. 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:07.640 And for me, that was very exciting. Absolutely, And I 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:10.080 think we would be remiss if we were talking about 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:12.960 this opening scene if we didn't touch on the boat 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:18.000 and the storm and the heat. So we were shooting 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:21.160 this episode in August, which, if you have never been 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:23.440 to Toronto, Toronto and August is right next to one 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:25.960 of the Great lakes, and it's very hot and very humid, 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:29.560 and there's lots of thunderstorms, which are beautiful. But we 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:33.080 were shooting on a metal cargo ship in in the harbor, 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:37.400 in the lake. And one thing that you don't realize 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:39.439 is when there's a thunderstorm on a lake, you can 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:42.840 see it from miles away. And we saw what we 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:46.800 saw was this massive thunderstorm rolling was this episode? That was? That? 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:49.000 Was this episode? No, this was the heat episode. You 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:52.200 were you were so close half right. Forget what I 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:54.080 said about the storm. We're just gonna say it was 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:58.920 really hot and the arms day, Um, it was hot 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:01.040 though it was hot, but Not only was I dodging 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:03.400 blades in the whole of that ship, I was dodging 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:06.560 giant swaths of sweat that were flying off of the 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:09.440 two of you as you really really worked hard. We 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:11.520 didn't know it got so hot in the belly of 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:13.520 that ship that we didn't know we were sweating because 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:15.960 the sweat was coming out as at the same temperature 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:19.840 as outside of our bodies, which is actually fairly dangerous. 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:25.480 I think that's hypothermia with aner hyper thermia is that's 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:27.959 like the stage you get to hyperthermias when you get 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:31.200 too cold. Hyperthermia is when you can't cool your body 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:34.440 with your own sweat. I'm pretty sure, although I'm not 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:36.360 a doctor, so I don't know what understand, but I'm 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:38.040 pretty sure that's the difference between the two. And that's 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:40.559 where we were getting to that stage where because we 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:43.760 were in this This coat I actually still own. I 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:45.080 don't know if I'm not to say that, but I do. 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:47.160 I still own this coat, and I absolutely adore it's 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:51.040 now my motorcycle jacket. I absolutely love it. But it 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:53.800 is hot. It's hot on my motorcycle. It was hot 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:55.400 on that boat. It's hot when you're trying to do 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:58.280 a sword fight. It looks amazing. Is this gorgeous John 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:00.400 Varvedos coat that we were lucky and to get on 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:03.800 the show. Absolutely stunning. But man, was that hot that day. 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:06.280 This whole day of filming was a nightmare. And credit 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:09.120 to you, Cat, because at least when we're we're doing it, 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:11.480 we have the adrenaline like funneling us through and you 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:13.800 just sort of stood there watching for a lot of it. 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:17.040 So credit to you for for keeping going. Oh I 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:19.480 was fine. I mean, the secret to this particular leather jacket, 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:21.600 which I also own, they had taken all of the 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:23.480 lining out of it, so it was basically just a 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:26.320 leather shell and very very thin kind of soft leather. 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:29.280 So it wasn't as warm as y'all. But on top 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:33.600 of that, I was just grateful to not be I 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:35.280 never thought I would say this in my life, but 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:37.200 I was grateful to just be able to be standing 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:39.719 there and dodging things. And because I could take off 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:41.199 my jacket, I could do all these things. I was 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:43.959 not wired into anything the way that you all were. Yeah, 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:46.480 it was hot. After we've killed Valentine or you have 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:50.680 killed Valentine a few times, we find ourselves in the 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:53.960 whole of the ship, which is sort of Valentine's menagerie 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:57.000 of oddities and mutations, as I like to call it. 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:00.880 And interestingly enough, these ship walls that eastern our studio. 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:05.600 Later we're pushed together to become Hunter's Moon. That's true. Yeah, 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:08.120 they do become the Hunter's Moon in in like two 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:10.640 episodes time. They become Hunter's Moon, which is very cool. 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:12.120 And if you keep an eye out for actually you 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:15.360 can kind of see this like belly of a ship's 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:18.240 style walling. And I think in the Hunter's Moon, isn't 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:21.439 it even still at an angle? It was? It was 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:22.880 still at an angle? Do you want to know the 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:25.560 funniest thing though? I was in London a few weeks ago. 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:27.920 I was walking down the street. There's a bar called 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:33.200 Hunter's Moon in London. No, yeah, really, I fully stopped 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:35.800 and when do I do? I go in? Am I 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:39.240 going to find the Shadow Hunters inside? Yeah? You wouldn't 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:43.200 see them? But where where is where it was near? 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:46.040 It was like near Paddington, near notting Hill and I 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:48.319 was just wandering through it. It It was this random bar 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:51.520 at a side street. They'd never even know. Wow, they 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:53.240 go next time we're in London, We'll have to check 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:55.079 it out and see if we can hunt down some 0:11:55.200 --> 0:12:00.480 supernatural creatures. I was like, I'm not a ag with this. 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:03.800 I'm trying trying to catch up with where we work. 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:06.440 There were so many changes that happened at the beginning 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:09.400 of season two, so the ruins are different. This is 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:14.079 a big The ruins are different, which I personally am 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:17.160 a big fan of. I'm a big fan of the 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:20.400 the black, the very dark coloring on the skin. It 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:23.640 looks I think it's very aesthetic. And then it also 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:26.559 it plays when with the activation of like the orange 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:29.520 and later on the gold, and the disparity between those 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:33.559 two colors looks really fantastic. But also the circle room 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:37.400 is now a scar, like a very deep sort of 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:41.280 burnt scar rather than the bright red, the bright red 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:45.880 circular image, which is called what else? What else? I 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:48.000 mean my hair color, first of all, isn't totally your 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:49.760 hair color is a big one. Actually my hair went 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:53.480 through some changes also, But I think the biggest difference 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:56.120 is the color of the show and the tone itself. 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:58.120 You know, in season one, the color was very vibrant, 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:00.720 it was bright. It was always me on in certain elements, 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:03.559 which which played into the supernatural of the show and 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:06.679 sort of the the mythological and the fantastical. But I 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:09.400 think something that, you know, because it was now free 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:11.520 Form and because we had these new show runners, we 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:14.160 were given the opportunity to ground the show a little bit. 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:17.200 And something that I think Todd and Darren saw an 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:20.080 opportunity to do was give the show a maturity that 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:23.120 it didn't have the opportunity to do previously. And because 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:25.719 the show had been a success in season one and 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:28.560 free Form had a little bit more trust and faith 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:31.480 in what we were doing moving forward, they kind of 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:33.560 gave us the go ahead to push the envelope for 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:35.880 what the network was and to push the envelope for 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:39.880 what the show had been conceptualized as to add the 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:44.520 sort of gravitas of grit and darkness and more of 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:47.839 the jewel tone colors as opposed to the bright, vibrant ones. 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:52.120 And I think it lends itself. Yeah, it's yeah. It 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:56.640 fully made the show adult. It made this show much 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:59.360 more adult than season one. And I think what was 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:02.040 clever about is we really did move kind of with 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:07.960 our audience. Like our audience aged we aged everyone, It 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:10.320 aged up it brought everything sort of to a place 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:13.720 where I think everyone was more on board with this 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:15.520 is this is what we're trying to achieve, and I 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:19.520 think that's really cool. Wow, our show has thirteen wins 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:21.440 and twenty three nominations. Do you know that I do? 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:24.040 Isn't that fantastic? Wow? I was just looking that up 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:27.400 on IMDb because I'm trying to find something. But you know, 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:30.040 but between people's stories and Teen Choice and Glad Awards 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:33.080 and all that other stuff. Yeah, wow, that's incredible. Thank 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:36.600 you Shadow fa. Yeah, we didn't get any of this 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:39.320 just by doing our thing. It was all you guys. Really, 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:42.440 so Cat, you keep talking for a bit, because I 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:44.440 am now you're on the hunt. This is the hunt. 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:47.160 I'm on the hunt for something. Yeah, I'm on to 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:49.240 your point. I think it lends itself to the story 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:51.600 as well, because in the first season, Claire is just 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:54.480 coming into this world and it's it's all new and 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:58.120 everything sort of magic and glitter and fantasy and creatures. 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:01.280 But in season two there's there's real steaks, and there's 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:03.960 real investment, and her heart is fully in this world 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:06.560 and all of these connections have been made between Jason 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:09.320 Clary and Jocelyn Luke and Simon is now part of 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:11.280 this world and the bit of the for lack of 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:14.160 a better word, the glamour of what this world is 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:17.320 has been stripped away, and so it almost it's almost 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:21.000 indicative of her perspective of this world as well as 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:24.720 we dive in further to see the consequences and and 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:28.440 sort of what is at steak moving forward, and I think, 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:30.720 you know, in season three, we get even darker, we 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:32.600 get to see a little bit more of that. It's 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:39.760 it was a very fratuitous personification of her Psyche. I guess, yeah, yeah, 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:43.680 I think it does follow the narrative really love love 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:48.080 Lily and if that's the word, drink wine in Italy. 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:51.120 But to move forward and to keep going as we 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:54.120 are wont to ramble on, we get into the belly 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:57.200 of the ship and Valentine has also been glamored as 0:15:57.280 --> 0:15:59.720 Clary and so all of this, oh help me, help me, 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:04.120 is you know, it's all a lie. It's all a 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:07.240 big lie. Poor Jason. Jason really goes through it this 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:10.480 season and then it's like it comes season Like halfway 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:12.440 through season two, I was like, oh, things will get 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:15.520 better after, you know, than it didn't. And then come 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:17.360 season three, I was like, yeah, maybe it'll get better 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:19.520 this and it just doesn't. It just never gets better 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:22.120 for Ja's all the way until like the last scene 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:23.920 and then the last scene of the whole show, and 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:27.640 then you're like, oh maybe and yeah maybe real Oh no, 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:30.840 oh my goodness, oh my goodness. I know, but it's again, 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:32.920 instead of things getting better for Ja's, I think they 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:36.360 just get worse for other people as well. And so 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:38.360 it doesn't, you know, like it gets a lot worse 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:40.080 for Clarity, and it gets a lot worse for Alec, 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:42.760 and it gets a lot worse for Magnus in certain 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:46.280 other characters, and then you know, essentially, and Simon has 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:48.480 it at a time, Isabelle has a time where we'll 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:50.880 go through it, I know, but we'll get to that. 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:53.040 It's so hard for us not to talk about this 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:57.080 Simon scene. But there are so many that one in particular, 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:59.280 which we have spoken about briefly where I think when 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:01.400 we had Alberta one I hope we did. It would 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:03.040 have been would have been remiss if we didn't. But 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:05.880 I think we're gonna get to that more later, I hope. 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:08.879 So because there are there are also so many Simon 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:13.360 scenes that are just brutal. Like season one, he had 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:16.439 that one hellish scene that both was hard for Simon 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:20.000 and for Alberto, and then they those just kind of 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:25.080 kept coming throughout, which is poor guy, poor guy. Well 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:28.880 back to poor guy and poor shadow Hunters. We are 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:33.840 back after that harrowing opening sequence. We are back at 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:37.240 the Institute with Alec, Izzy, Magnus, and Lydia prepping for 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:40.080 their mission to find Chase. But Alec is having a 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:42.080 bit of a time because he doesn't feel Jason the 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:46.359 paratype bond, which I mean, that's what I have on 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:49.040 my brief as. No, I'm saying I agree with you, No, 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:52.399 he doesn't. He doesn't feel Jason. I'm not disagreeing with you. Sorry, No, 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:55.520 I'm saying no. I agree by saying no, which is 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:57.960 a strange way of agreeing. But I know he doesn't 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:00.560 feel jas through the bond. Which did that end up 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:03.240 being because I was over water? Is that what that was? 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:06.159 I think, and I think properly over water. It was 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:08.520 the tracking over water, and I think we we also 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:11.399 surmised that Valentine's wards had something to do with it, 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:13.760 that he was putting Oh yeah, the face melting shield, 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:18.280 that whole thing, oh yeah, thing around the boat, right, 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:21.119 poor guy, But that's what that's what we ended up 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:23.400 calling it, Yeah, because they were we were like, it's 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:24.880 one of those things. We'll get to that in a minute, 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:26.639 but like it's one of those interesting things where it's 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:29.880 like when you have the c g I team, which 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:36.560 was we have folks. Yeah. So another thing we must 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:38.600 talk about is not only did we have an amazing 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:41.280 new stunt team come in with Darren McGuire and the 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:44.719 McGuire brothers, but we also had folks. The effects with 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:49.479 Philip t. Volts historically was pronouncing his French last name, 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:51.280 but we'll French crenatid in last name, but we'll have 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:53.080 to have him on the show so he can definitely 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:55.600 se just that. But they came in for season two 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:57.520 and took everything that we've done with season one with 0:18:57.600 --> 0:19:00.119 visual effects and built upon it and deep in it. 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:03.240 And my favorite thing about Philip is that he was 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:07.760 constantly fixing things that didn't need to be fixed. Everything 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:10.280 that they did was amazing, But I remember even with 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:13.040 every demon and every portal and the face melting shield 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:14.840 and all of these things, he would come to me 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:18.720 and go, I made this better, Like Philip, it looks fantastic. 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:20.840 What could you possibly make it? He goes, no, no, no no, no, no, 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:24.840 it's better. Now it's cool enough. Have a look at 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:27.240 this like wow, Andy, like we're going to do this 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:28.720 and this and this, but like this is how it 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:30.879 looks now, because it's that's that's the interesting thing. When 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:33.160 you're doing a show with so much C G. I, 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:35.480 you don't know what it's going to look like. A 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:36.840 lot of times you don't know what it's going to 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:38.880 look like. And the difference we found when we had 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:42.400 Philip is he would describe to us like he knew 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:44.920 what this was before we got to set on the day, 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:47.359 so he would describe it to us in full detail. 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:49.280 And that I remember him describing it to me. I 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:52.080 was like, we're gonna push this guy's face into something 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:55.399 like what's gonna happen? What's that going to look like? 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:58.280 And he was like, imagine, it's like magic sand paper. 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:00.640 It's just going to melt his face. And I was, oh, 0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:02.920 all right, well now I get it. Cool, okay, great, 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:04.840 And then we did the thing and then they put 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:06.680 his makeup on and I was like, oh, sure enough, yeah, 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:09.840 we mounted his space. That's not sand paper, grand got it. 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:33.199 So now Magnus is assuring Alec that they're going to 0:20:33.240 --> 0:20:35.800 find Jay's and I have to just say, this could 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:37.760 us to the characters in this case, because we have 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:41.840 just come out of the almost wedding and you still 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:44.879 have Lydia, Alecan Magnus. We're working together to try and 0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:47.240 accomplish gold. This is a testament to the shadow Hunters 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:49.040