Speaker 1: Welcome back, folks, to return to the shadows. Dumb. We've
Speaker 1: had a little break here we are here, we are,
Speaker 1: We're back at it. How are you. I'm fantastic, Thank you?
Speaker 1: How are you? I'm good. I'm good. Life has been
Speaker 1: going and we're all over the world once again, but
Speaker 1: back in the shadow world. That's that seems to be
Speaker 1: somewhat synonymous with what we've chosen to do for a career.
Speaker 1: And that's fine. We get to we get to be everywhere.
Speaker 1: It's a real gift, really is well, speaking of what
Speaker 1: we've chosen to do for a career, we're back to
Speaker 1: the rewatches and we've made it all the way to
Speaker 1: Season two episode one. Yes, we have here to dive in.
Speaker 1: I'm ready to dive in. Born ready, all right, Well,
Speaker 1: here we are, Season two episode one, this Guilty Blood.
Speaker 1: The original air date was January two. The writer was
Speaker 1: the lovely Michael Reese. Director Matthew Hastings. This is the
Speaker 1: first time we had Matt Hastings on the show, as
Speaker 1: well as Todd Slavkin and Darren Swimmer are show runners
Speaker 1: for season two onward. This episode again stars myself as
Speaker 1: Clarie Frey, Tom Sherwood Alberto Rosende, Matthew Daria, Amarad to
Speaker 1: bia isa A Mustafa, Harry Sham Jr. With guest stars
Speaker 1: Alan Van sprang At, Maxim Roy, John Core, Nick Sagar's
Speaker 1: premiere on the show, Nicola Karad Mood and Stephanie Bennett. Wow.
Speaker 1: What a kick ass group of guest stars for this
Speaker 1: episode of our real heavy Hitters. We got some fun
Speaker 1: stuff that really kicks often in this episode, literally and figuratively.
Speaker 1: Speaking of literally and figuratively, whyn't you tell us where
Speaker 1: we left? So for those who are just joining us
Speaker 1: or who have also taken a bit of a break
Speaker 1: and listening, here's a little great cap where we left off.
Speaker 1: Jason's conflict between do dy to the Clave and duty
Speaker 1: to his family leaves him on a ship with Valentine's
Speaker 1: growing shadow Hunter army. Meanwhile, the rest of the gang
Speaker 1: deals with the shock of Jace's departure and Jocelyn's reawakening. Well,
Speaker 1: there we go, and in the midst of the chaos
Speaker 1: that we were left with at the end of season one,
Speaker 1: the hunt is now on for Ja's The Institute is
Speaker 1: in upheaval after Jas's departure with Valentine, only hours have
Speaker 1: passed since Jas left with Valentine, and all hell has
Speaker 1: broken loose at the Institute. Alec Isabelle and Clary are
Speaker 1: desperate to find Jace, but quickly stopped in their tracks
Speaker 1: by the arrival of the one and only Victor older
Speaker 1: Tree played by Nick Saga. We're very excited if you
Speaker 1: ought to meet him, who means business about getting the
Speaker 1: Institute back on track, but getting the New York shadow
Speaker 1: Hunters in line with the Clave maybe counterintuitive to alec
Speaker 1: Isabelle and Clary's plan to rescue Jace. Meanwhile, Jocelyn has
Speaker 1: a lot to catch up on now she is awake
Speaker 1: and that the truth, it certainly is, and a few
Speaker 1: things I didn't know book to screen or didn't didn't
Speaker 1: fully remember thanks to our lovely producers who put together
Speaker 1: these briefs for us. Actually, the episode name This Guilty
Speaker 1: Blood is also the name of the ninth chapter of
Speaker 1: City of Glass, which is one of my favorite of
Speaker 1: the books. That is the third book, also Valentine. We
Speaker 1: made Valentine more brutal, which I didn't think was possible
Speaker 1: because in the books Valentine feeds the demonic blood to
Speaker 1: Jocelyn through his cooking um as we know his famous
Speaker 1: spaghetti etcetera. But in our show, he just injects it
Speaker 1: right into her roomb, right into the into the unborn baby. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll get into those scenes later because we have some
Speaker 1: fun stuff to talk about relation to that. So diving
Speaker 1: straight into the episode at first, what we saw in
Speaker 1: season one was, well, we saw what one theme we
Speaker 1: saw lat in season one was the concept of dreams,
Speaker 1: and especially with Clarie and Jay's, how they influence and
Speaker 1: how they kind of foretell different things that are going
Speaker 1: to happen or have happened, or sort of different meanings
Speaker 1: to what's going on. And this is exactly how we
Speaker 1: start our season, which is a dream sequence of Jace's
Speaker 1: in which he is seeing many things, but it's sort
Speaker 1: of that altered reality where it's it's just it's dreams.
Speaker 1: Is a dream sequence, isn't it? Though? When Clarie shows
Speaker 1: up on the boat, No, this isn't a dream. This
Speaker 1: isn't a dream. No, this is this is I was like,
Speaker 1: what dream sequence we start with? No, this isn't a dream,
Speaker 1: this is a this is a trick. This is a
Speaker 1: Valentine laid trick. Oh that's right. So what we're looking
Speaker 1: unfortunately almost worse. It's it is not a an ill
Speaker 1: fated future seeing dream of a bunch of dead would
Speaker 1: be shadow Hunters who have dreamt who have drunk from
Speaker 1: the Mortal Cup. It's an actual bunch of dead human
Speaker 1: beings who have drunk from the Mortal Cup strewn across
Speaker 1: the top of the ship. Yeah. Yeah, we get to
Speaker 1: see the Shape Shifter ruin for the first time or
Speaker 1: for the second or third time, but it's one of
Speaker 1: the first times you see the shape the Shape Shifter
Speaker 1: run correct. I think the only time we saw it
Speaker 1: before this was the when Lydia Brandwell shows up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that becomes very influential in our story moving forward. But yes,
Speaker 1: this is this is fun. So this is like when
Speaker 1: we started season two, we knew there's been some changes,
Speaker 1: There's been some passing of the batter and I suppose
Speaker 1: from one to another, and we knew that there was
Speaker 1: a very different tone that we were going to try
Speaker 1: and set, and we count and I especially got to
Speaker 1: dive into this very quickly with our new stunt, It's True,
Speaker 1: led by Darren McGuire, Dean cock CoV and a whole
Speaker 1: host of other fantastic guys. I ended up with Aaron
Speaker 1: as my double, who was amazing. I had Mary as
Speaker 1: Becker's who is also incredible. M we had we had
Speaker 1: an amazing group of people, which is very very cool.
Speaker 1: And this we get see very early on, like in
Speaker 1: the first ten seconds of season two. We get to
Speaker 1: see the difference. We get to see what the intention
Speaker 1: of the show is going to be for the for
Speaker 1: the rest of the run, which is cool. Starting with
Speaker 1: we have a new host of weapons steel or well,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't have been steel, they would have been Adamus
Speaker 1: in the story, but they were made out of stainless steel.
Speaker 1: When we were seeing them in their pretty form, and
Speaker 1: when we were fighting with them, they were made out
Speaker 1: of Yeah, it's just a different look to the weapons,
Speaker 1: the different interpretation of what the atomus is, and and
Speaker 1: because Adams is described as a glowing supernatural metal in
Speaker 1: the books, and so in season one we saw them
Speaker 1: look kind of more on the tone of lightsaber esque,
Speaker 1: where the actual blade itself glows all the time, And
Speaker 1: in season two we got to to deepen that almost
Speaker 1: and and now we have these blades that, as Dom said,
Speaker 1: looked like stainless steel, but the rooms glow and the
Speaker 1: light the angelic light almost dances across them when they
Speaker 1: are imbued with you know, the power of a shadow
Speaker 1: hunter ended. I think it's a great alternative interpretation to it,
Speaker 1: but one that almost has more more to it, more
Speaker 1: kind of depth than and play. I agree, And we
Speaker 1: ended up so there's a great standoff here with between
Speaker 1: Jason Valentine. So this is the first time we were
Speaker 1: using these swords. And what's funny about these is so
Speaker 1: when you see the camera's panel along the swords, this
Speaker 1: wonderful shot there, these swords are actually quite heavy, these ones,
Speaker 1: in particular, the longer versions of these swords are quite heavy,
Speaker 1: and you're holding it steady. For as long as you're
Speaker 1: holding it steady, it starts to wobble, and it's a
Speaker 1: very close shot. And what we ended up having to
Speaker 1: do is silk Jack of all trades, who ends up
Speaker 1: being one of our wonderful directors, but was our first
Speaker 1: dad on this. He held the tip of the sword
Speaker 1: as soon as the camera had cleared and it's steadied
Speaker 1: the blade, which made the shot look incredible. And then
Speaker 1: obviously we switched to the rubber blades and and we
Speaker 1: moved on. But this is cool, This was a cool
Speaker 1: like setting of the tone. I think for me, this
Speaker 1: whole section of this episode, we were really started to
Speaker 1: see like, oh, this is this is where we want
Speaker 1: to be, this is where we want to be aiming.
Speaker 1: And for me, that was very exciting. Absolutely, And I
Speaker 1: think we would be remiss if we were talking about
Speaker 1: this opening scene if we didn't touch on the boat
Speaker 1: and the storm and the heat. So we were shooting
Speaker 1: this episode in August, which, if you have never been
Speaker 1: to Toronto, Toronto and August is right next to one
Speaker 1: of the Great lakes, and it's very hot and very humid,
Speaker 1: and there's lots of thunderstorms, which are beautiful. But we
Speaker 1: were shooting on a metal cargo ship in in the harbor,
Speaker 1: in the lake. And one thing that you don't realize
Speaker 1: is when there's a thunderstorm on a lake, you can
Speaker 1: see it from miles away. And we saw what we
Speaker 1: saw was this massive thunderstorm rolling was this episode? That was? That?
Speaker 1: Was this episode? No, this was the heat episode. You
Speaker 1: were you were so close half right. Forget what I
Speaker 1: said about the storm. We're just gonna say it was
Speaker 1: really hot and the arms day, Um, it was hot
Speaker 1: though it was hot, but Not only was I dodging
Speaker 1: blades in the whole of that ship, I was dodging
Speaker 1: giant swaths of sweat that were flying off of the
Speaker 1: two of you as you really really worked hard. We
Speaker 1: didn't know it got so hot in the belly of
Speaker 1: that ship that we didn't know we were sweating because
Speaker 1: the sweat was coming out as at the same temperature
Speaker 1: as outside of our bodies, which is actually fairly dangerous.
Speaker 1: I think that's hypothermia with aner hyper thermia is that's
Speaker 1: like the stage you get to hyperthermias when you get
Speaker 1: too cold. Hyperthermia is when you can't cool your body
Speaker 1: with your own sweat. I'm pretty sure, although I'm not
Speaker 1: a doctor, so I don't know what understand, but I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure that's the difference between the two. And that's
Speaker 1: where we were getting to that stage where because we
Speaker 1: were in this This coat I actually still own. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm not to say that, but I do.
Speaker 1: I still own this coat, and I absolutely adore it's
Speaker 1: now my motorcycle jacket. I absolutely love it. But it
Speaker 1: is hot. It's hot on my motorcycle. It was hot
Speaker 1: on that boat. It's hot when you're trying to do
Speaker 1: a sword fight. It looks amazing. Is this gorgeous John
Speaker 1: Varvedos coat that we were lucky and to get on
Speaker 1: the show. Absolutely stunning. But man, was that hot that day.
Speaker 1: This whole day of filming was a nightmare. And credit
Speaker 1: to you, Cat, because at least when we're we're doing it,
Speaker 1: we have the adrenaline like funneling us through and you
Speaker 1: just sort of stood there watching for a lot of it.
Speaker 1: So credit to you for for keeping going. Oh I
Speaker 1: was fine. I mean, the secret to this particular leather jacket,
Speaker 1: which I also own, they had taken all of the
Speaker 1: lining out of it, so it was basically just a
Speaker 1: leather shell and very very thin kind of soft leather.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't as warm as y'all. But on top
Speaker 1: of that, I was just grateful to not be I
Speaker 1: never thought I would say this in my life, but
Speaker 1: I was grateful to just be able to be standing
Speaker 1: there and dodging things. And because I could take off
Speaker 1: my jacket, I could do all these things. I was
Speaker 1: not wired into anything the way that you all were. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was hot. After we've killed Valentine or you have
Speaker 1: killed Valentine a few times, we find ourselves in the
Speaker 1: whole of the ship, which is sort of Valentine's menagerie
Speaker 1: of oddities and mutations, as I like to call it.
Speaker 1: And interestingly enough, these ship walls that eastern our studio.
Speaker 1: Later we're pushed together to become Hunter's Moon. That's true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they do become the Hunter's Moon in in like two
Speaker 1: episodes time. They become Hunter's Moon, which is very cool.
Speaker 1: And if you keep an eye out for actually you
Speaker 1: can kind of see this like belly of a ship's
Speaker 1: style walling. And I think in the Hunter's Moon, isn't
Speaker 1: it even still at an angle? It was? It was
Speaker 1: still at an angle? Do you want to know the
Speaker 1: funniest thing though? I was in London a few weeks ago.
Speaker 1: I was walking down the street. There's a bar called
Speaker 1: Hunter's Moon in London. No, yeah, really, I fully stopped
Speaker 1: and when do I do? I go in? Am I
Speaker 1: going to find the Shadow Hunters inside? Yeah? You wouldn't
Speaker 1: see them? But where where is where it was near?
Speaker 1: It was like near Paddington, near notting Hill and I
Speaker 1: was just wandering through it. It It was this random bar
Speaker 1: at a side street. They'd never even know. Wow, they
Speaker 1: go next time we're in London, We'll have to check
Speaker 1: it out and see if we can hunt down some
Speaker 1: supernatural creatures. I was like, I'm not a ag with this.
Speaker 1: I'm trying trying to catch up with where we work.
Speaker 1: There were so many changes that happened at the beginning
Speaker 1: of season two, so the ruins are different. This is
Speaker 1: a big The ruins are different, which I personally am
Speaker 1: a big fan of. I'm a big fan of the
Speaker 1: the black, the very dark coloring on the skin. It
Speaker 1: looks I think it's very aesthetic. And then it also
Speaker 1: it plays when with the activation of like the orange
Speaker 1: and later on the gold, and the disparity between those
Speaker 1: two colors looks really fantastic. But also the circle room
Speaker 1: is now a scar, like a very deep sort of
Speaker 1: burnt scar rather than the bright red, the bright red
Speaker 1: circular image, which is called what else? What else? I
Speaker 1: mean my hair color, first of all, isn't totally your
Speaker 1: hair color is a big one. Actually my hair went
Speaker 1: through some changes also, But I think the biggest difference
Speaker 1: is the color of the show and the tone itself.
Speaker 1: You know, in season one, the color was very vibrant,
Speaker 1: it was bright. It was always me on in certain elements,
Speaker 1: which which played into the supernatural of the show and
Speaker 1: sort of the the mythological and the fantastical. But I
Speaker 1: think something that, you know, because it was now free
Speaker 1: Form and because we had these new show runners, we
Speaker 1: were given the opportunity to ground the show a little bit.
Speaker 1: And something that I think Todd and Darren saw an
Speaker 1: opportunity to do was give the show a maturity that
Speaker 1: it didn't have the opportunity to do previously. And because
Speaker 1: the show had been a success in season one and
Speaker 1: free Form had a little bit more trust and faith
Speaker 1: in what we were doing moving forward, they kind of
Speaker 1: gave us the go ahead to push the envelope for
Speaker 1: what the network was and to push the envelope for
Speaker 1: what the show had been conceptualized as to add the
Speaker 1: sort of gravitas of grit and darkness and more of
Speaker 1: the jewel tone colors as opposed to the bright, vibrant ones.
Speaker 1: And I think it lends itself. Yeah, it's yeah. It
Speaker 1: fully made the show adult. It made this show much
Speaker 1: more adult than season one. And I think what was
Speaker 1: clever about is we really did move kind of with
Speaker 1: our audience. Like our audience aged we aged everyone, It
Speaker 1: aged up it brought everything sort of to a place
Speaker 1: where I think everyone was more on board with this
Speaker 1: is this is what we're trying to achieve, and I
Speaker 1: think that's really cool. Wow, our show has thirteen wins
Speaker 1: and twenty three nominations. Do you know that I do?
Speaker 1: Isn't that fantastic? Wow? I was just looking that up
Speaker 1: on IMDb because I'm trying to find something. But you know,
Speaker 1: but between people's stories and Teen Choice and Glad Awards
Speaker 1: and all that other stuff. Yeah, wow, that's incredible. Thank
Speaker 1: you Shadow fa. Yeah, we didn't get any of this
Speaker 1: just by doing our thing. It was all you guys. Really,
Speaker 1: so Cat, you keep talking for a bit, because I
Speaker 1: am now you're on the hunt. This is the hunt.
Speaker 1: I'm on the hunt for something. Yeah, I'm on to
Speaker 1: your point. I think it lends itself to the story
Speaker 1: as well, because in the first season, Claire is just
Speaker 1: coming into this world and it's it's all new and
Speaker 1: everything sort of magic and glitter and fantasy and creatures.
Speaker 1: But in season two there's there's real steaks, and there's
Speaker 1: real investment, and her heart is fully in this world
Speaker 1: and all of these connections have been made between Jason
Speaker 1: Clary and Jocelyn Luke and Simon is now part of
Speaker 1: this world and the bit of the for lack of
Speaker 1: a better word, the glamour of what this world is
Speaker 1: has been stripped away, and so it almost it's almost
Speaker 1: indicative of her perspective of this world as well as
Speaker 1: we dive in further to see the consequences and and
Speaker 1: sort of what is at steak moving forward, and I think,
Speaker 1: you know, in season three, we get even darker, we
Speaker 1: get to see a little bit more of that. It's
Speaker 1: it was a very fratuitous personification of her Psyche. I guess, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it does follow the narrative really love love
Speaker 1: Lily and if that's the word, drink wine in Italy.
Speaker 1: But to move forward and to keep going as we
Speaker 1: are wont to ramble on, we get into the belly
Speaker 1: of the ship and Valentine has also been glamored as
Speaker 1: Clary and so all of this, oh help me, help me,
Speaker 1: is you know, it's all a lie. It's all a
Speaker 1: big lie. Poor Jason. Jason really goes through it this
Speaker 1: season and then it's like it comes season Like halfway
Speaker 1: through season two, I was like, oh, things will get
Speaker 1: better after, you know, than it didn't. And then come
Speaker 1: season three, I was like, yeah, maybe it'll get better
Speaker 1: this and it just doesn't. It just never gets better
Speaker 1: for Ja's all the way until like the last scene
Speaker 1: and then the last scene of the whole show, and
Speaker 1: then you're like, oh maybe and yeah maybe real Oh no,
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, oh my goodness. I know, but it's again,
Speaker 1: instead of things getting better for Ja's, I think they
Speaker 1: just get worse for other people as well. And so
Speaker 1: it doesn't, you know, like it gets a lot worse
Speaker 1: for Clarity, and it gets a lot worse for Alec,
Speaker 1: and it gets a lot worse for Magnus in certain
Speaker 1: other characters, and then you know, essentially, and Simon has
Speaker 1: it at a time, Isabelle has a time where we'll
Speaker 1: go through it, I know, but we'll get to that.
Speaker 1: It's so hard for us not to talk about this
Speaker 1: Simon scene. But there are so many that one in particular,
Speaker 1: which we have spoken about briefly where I think when
Speaker 1: we had Alberta one I hope we did. It would
Speaker 1: have been would have been remiss if we didn't. But
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna get to that more later, I hope.
Speaker 1: So because there are there are also so many Simon
Speaker 1: scenes that are just brutal. Like season one, he had
Speaker 1: that one hellish scene that both was hard for Simon
Speaker 1: and for Alberto, and then they those just kind of
Speaker 1: kept coming throughout, which is poor guy, poor guy. Well
Speaker 1: back to poor guy and poor shadow Hunters. We are
Speaker 1: back after that harrowing opening sequence. We are back at
Speaker 1: the Institute with Alec, Izzy, Magnus, and Lydia prepping for
Speaker 1: their mission to find Chase. But Alec is having a
Speaker 1: bit of a time because he doesn't feel Jason the
Speaker 1: paratype bond, which I mean, that's what I have on
Speaker 1: my brief as. No, I'm saying I agree with you, No,
Speaker 1: he doesn't. He doesn't feel Jason. I'm not disagreeing with you. Sorry, No,
Speaker 1: I'm saying no. I agree by saying no, which is
Speaker 1: a strange way of agreeing. But I know he doesn't
Speaker 1: feel jas through the bond. Which did that end up
Speaker 1: being because I was over water? Is that what that was?
Speaker 1: I think, and I think properly over water. It was
Speaker 1: the tracking over water, and I think we we also
Speaker 1: surmised that Valentine's wards had something to do with it,
Speaker 1: that he was putting Oh yeah, the face melting shield,
Speaker 1: that whole thing, oh yeah, thing around the boat, right,
Speaker 1: poor guy, But that's what that's what we ended up
Speaker 1: calling it, Yeah, because they were we were like, it's
Speaker 1: one of those things. We'll get to that in a minute,
Speaker 1: but like it's one of those interesting things where it's
Speaker 1: like when you have the c g I team, which
Speaker 1: was we have folks. Yeah. So another thing we must
Speaker 1: talk about is not only did we have an amazing
Speaker 1: new stunt team come in with Darren McGuire and the
Speaker 1: McGuire brothers, but we also had folks. The effects with
Speaker 1: Philip t. Volts historically was pronouncing his French last name,
Speaker 1: but we'll French crenatid in last name, but we'll have
Speaker 1: to have him on the show so he can definitely
Speaker 1: se just that. But they came in for season two
Speaker 1: and took everything that we've done with season one with
Speaker 1: visual effects and built upon it and deep in it.
Speaker 1: And my favorite thing about Philip is that he was
Speaker 1: constantly fixing things that didn't need to be fixed. Everything
Speaker 1: that they did was amazing, But I remember even with
Speaker 1: every demon and every portal and the face melting shield
Speaker 1: and all of these things, he would come to me
Speaker 1: and go, I made this better, Like Philip, it looks fantastic.
Speaker 1: What could you possibly make it? He goes, no, no, no no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's better. Now it's cool enough. Have a look at
Speaker 1: this like wow, Andy, like we're going to do this
Speaker 1: and this and this, but like this is how it
Speaker 1: looks now, because it's that's that's the interesting thing. When
Speaker 1: you're doing a show with so much C G. I,
Speaker 1: you don't know what it's going to look like. A
Speaker 1: lot of times you don't know what it's going to
Speaker 1: look like. And the difference we found when we had
Speaker 1: Philip is he would describe to us like he knew
Speaker 1: what this was before we got to set on the day,
Speaker 1: so he would describe it to us in full detail.
Speaker 1: And that I remember him describing it to me. I
Speaker 1: was like, we're gonna push this guy's face into something
Speaker 1: like what's gonna happen? What's that going to look like?
Speaker 1: And he was like, imagine, it's like magic sand paper.
Speaker 1: It's just going to melt his face. And I was, oh,
Speaker 1: all right, well now I get it. Cool, okay, great,
Speaker 1: And then we did the thing and then they put
Speaker 1: his makeup on and I was like, oh, sure enough, yeah,
Speaker 1: we mounted his space. That's not sand paper, grand got it.
Speaker 1: So now Magnus is assuring Alec that they're going to
Speaker 1: find Jay's and I have to just say, this could
Speaker 1: us to the characters in this case, because we have
Speaker 1: just come out of the almost wedding and you still
Speaker 1: have Lydia, Alecan Magnus. We're working together to try and
Speaker 1: accomplish gold. This is a testament to the shadow Hunters
Speaker 1: and to these creatures in the shadow world that were
Speaker 1: able to go, Okay, I almost married you, but instead
Speaker 1: you came in and ruined the wedding, and I'm stuck
Speaker 1: in the middle, and I don't know what's going to
Speaker 1: happen to any of this, honestly, side for a minute,
Speaker 1: Idia sorts her ship out so fucking quickly, like if
Speaker 1: we remember what just happened, she got left at the
Speaker 1: altar by arguably the most handsome man in the world
Speaker 1: to maybe go end up with the other most handsome
Speaker 1: man in the world, and she's just sort of left
Speaker 1: there on our own. She goes back and she's like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to address. Everything's cool. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: go back to address. I'm gonna brush this off, everything's fine.
Speaker 1: She gets knocked out by the world's worst fucking traitor,
Speaker 1: gets like the key to the death Star taken from her,
Speaker 1: and get sent to the bad guy. That's where we
Speaker 1: left Lydia unconscious on the floor, and the next time
Speaker 1: we see her, she's like, Hey, it's good, I'm taking
Speaker 1: care of it. Let's go Lydia. But talk about our
Speaker 1: strong women sorting their ship out, like, let's go, let's
Speaker 1: go Lydia. Yeah. Well, speaking of other strong women sorting
Speaker 1: their ship out, we have Clarie and Jocelyn reunited. Jocelyn
Speaker 1: who's been in a comma magically induced comma for an
Speaker 1: entire season. Basically, it's now awake and we are dealing
Speaker 1: with all of the family drama that that ensues of
Speaker 1: Clary going hi, mom Um, I love you, thank you
Speaker 1: for being alive, but why did you lie to me
Speaker 1: for eighteen years? And what's with the brother and the
Speaker 1: box and all of it? Now? Yeah, I kill things
Speaker 1: and I kind of kissed my brother for a minute.
Speaker 1: But we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna sort that. Until
Speaker 1: you see my best friend's teeth. We already him up.
Speaker 1: That's honestly, I thought That scene was so funny because
Speaker 1: we it's so funny when you do a show like
Speaker 1: this when you get brought away from everyone. So like,
Speaker 1: I spend the first three episodes of this series not
Speaker 1: with you guys at all, for like six weeks. I
Speaker 1: only interacted with you socially. I didn't see what was
Speaker 1: happening work wise. So I got to see the first
Speaker 1: his cheeky little smile and his vampire fang pop out.
Speaker 1: I want to see that for the first time. When
Speaker 1: they released the trailer, that's when I got to see it,
Speaker 1: and it's it's actually a really cool sensation. I had
Speaker 1: to any thing on Penny where you would read, you know,
Speaker 1: you'd read the story, but I didn't know. I didn't
Speaker 1: know what was going on with anything because Nathan storyline
Speaker 1: and Danny's storyline and a lot of nats storylines, they
Speaker 1: were all completely separate. I was just with Thomas Henchman
Speaker 1: and with Michael Gladys, so I knew what happened with us.
Speaker 1: But then when I saw all the other stuff, You're like, wow,
Speaker 1: this is how it ended up looking. That's so cool. Anyway,
Speaker 1: back to the Shadow Hunters show, the current show that
Speaker 1: we're talking about on this podcast. Sorry, I digress. It's
Speaker 1: it's the b That's okay. There's a lovely reunion here
Speaker 1: between the family that we saw at the beginning. It's
Speaker 1: sort of a flashback or a call back, as it were,
Speaker 1: to the opening scene in the apartment with the spray
Speaker 1: paint and oh yeah, it's Clari, it's your birthday. You're
Speaker 1: going to have a great adventure. A lot's going to
Speaker 1: happen to you in your life. We have another scene going, hey, mom,
Speaker 1: so um like Carol everything, And here's a box of
Speaker 1: my brother's stuff. His name is Jay's. By the way,
Speaker 1: you're going to meet hibout kis him, but I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna tell it right now. And Simon's got some new stuff,
Speaker 1: and Luke is cool but maybe not in the best
Speaker 1: rooms at the police anymore. But you know, we're going
Speaker 1: to fade that up. Then get a phone call, as
Speaker 1: it were, and we have to get to the opp
Speaker 1: center now, and then we have powerhouse Nicola standing at
Speaker 1: the top of our stairs talking to the entire Shadow
Speaker 1: Hunters New York Institute. We are at war. I remember
Speaker 1: the so so from the trailer so many times on
Speaker 1: my Instagram. I think that trailer is the most watched
Speaker 1: thing I have up. I think it has like a
Speaker 1: million plus views just just this trailer for season two.
Speaker 1: We are at war, Valentine now has the Mortal Cup
Speaker 1: and one of our own has joined him. Was the
Speaker 1: opening of that, and it was such a good trailer,
Speaker 1: was so well done. I do every time I watch
Speaker 1: it. It It was such an exciting thing for us because
Speaker 1: it's also nerve wracking, like we rebranded our show almost entirely,
Speaker 1: so the fact that it was successful enough to get
Speaker 1: a the season two and then we're going to change
Speaker 1: it is a scary thing because we don't know. Now
Speaker 1: maybe what was made season one successful is what made
Speaker 1: season one successful, and we're going to turn our backs
Speaker 1: on that. We just don't know. Unfortunately, everyone loved it,
Speaker 1: but it was it was. It always fills me with
Speaker 1: a little adrenaline because I remember that moment when I
Speaker 1: watched it for the first time ago, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I love it. I hope everyone else loved it. But
Speaker 1: one of absolutely one of the reasons I feel that
Speaker 1: everyone loved it so much is because we brought in
Speaker 1: some new characters and the new elements to the show,
Speaker 1: one of which which I think really sort of solidified
Speaker 1: this gravitas that the show had in in season two onward.
Speaker 1: Is Victor alder Tree, played by the lovely Nick Segar,
Speaker 1: who has introduced in this scene. He is not a
Speaker 1: character in the books, and he is one that they
Speaker 1: have created for show. He might be mentioned once or
Speaker 1: twice in a in a place, but they really fleshed
Speaker 1: out his character and brought him in in a huge way.
Speaker 1: And he is the new head of the New York
Speaker 1: Institute because the light Woods have been ousted in a
Speaker 1: way because of you know, various societal and all kinds
Speaker 1: of ship, all kinds of stuff, mostly my fault, but
Speaker 1: you know, I digress. It doesn't really help that Alex
Speaker 1: parabatize on Valentine's side either. It's you know, we got
Speaker 1: We've got a few few things that make the light
Speaker 1: that's not the ideal people to run the Institute at
Speaker 1: the moment. That he's such an interesting character to me
Speaker 1: because he comes in being you know, touted as one
Speaker 1: of the best of the best, but really, as we know,
Speaker 1: becomes one of the worst of the worst, you know,
Speaker 1: the devil within as it were. Excuse me, I really
Speaker 1: don't think he treats me particularly poorly. Isabel is bad,
Speaker 1: but don't towards the end, doesn't he end up being
Speaker 1: I actually don't remember how this story round itself out.
Speaker 1: We're going to find out. I remember we are, and
Speaker 1: it's exciting for me because I don't remember. But I
Speaker 1: feel like towards the end, maybe it's just because I
Speaker 1: like Nick a lot and the Nick is one of
Speaker 1: my bodies, and I'm like, because Nick is the sweetest guy.
Speaker 1: He's like such a nice Segar is one of the
Speaker 1: most wonderful, warm, lovely people we've ever had on the show.
Speaker 1: I remember his first day on set. We had a
Speaker 1: big chunk of a break because we have we have
Speaker 1: a scene later in this episode that's just the two
Speaker 1: of us, and we had probably one of those days
Speaker 1: on set where we had like two three hours just
Speaker 1: to sit and talk because they were doing other things
Speaker 1: and we had nothing else to do. And it was
Speaker 1: one of my favorite conversations on that set, just because
Speaker 1: he was so new, but so I just felt comfortable
Speaker 1: instantly from the time he walked on this that we
Speaker 1: just you know, we know the Shadow film and certain
Speaker 1: people come on set and just instantly fall into the family.
Speaker 1: And it was immediately. Yeah, he just had the right
Speaker 1: energy and just came in so willing to play and
Speaker 1: so willing to to be excited about the world and
Speaker 1: be excited about his character and how he fit into
Speaker 1: the world. And it's it's really nice when you have
Speaker 1: people come in and are ready to play. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're very lucky in that respect. Absolutely, where does this
Speaker 1: take us? Where do we move on too? Torture? Down
Speaker 1: world torture? This was interesting. This is like the first
Speaker 1: time I met Matt Hastings, or like one of the
Speaker 1: first times we've been on set together. And I was
Speaker 1: supposed to be naked for this scene. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you remember in the script originally I was naked
Speaker 1: Little Jay's but was supposed to be in Jase But
Speaker 1: you're supposed to see Jayson's but and it in it
Speaker 1: when you new. Scenes are weird because you go into
Speaker 1: your trailer and there is just an array of like
Speaker 1: what looked like kind of coin purses just just for
Speaker 1: your stuff. You put them in a coin person you
Speaker 1: pull a little draw string and then that's going to
Speaker 1: keep all your stuff safe. And then like a series
Speaker 1: of thongs, like skin colored thongs for men and that
Speaker 1: is the other option. And I remember being like episode one,
Speaker 1: this is what this is what we're going to end
Speaker 1: up doing, and Matt ended up coming to me and going,
Speaker 1: this is kind of weird her and I was like, look,
Speaker 1: it's in the script, like I we've discussed it. I'm
Speaker 1: happy to do it. And he was like, I think
Speaker 1: it's weird. Let's put you in pants. I was like,
Speaker 1: thank fucking God, that would have been very odd. One
Speaker 1: of those things I will tell you about this scene.
Speaker 1: It took a long time, and it was really hard
Speaker 1: work because throwing your head around it sort of leaves
Speaker 1: you with like a whiplash feeling like it's it's actually
Speaker 1: quite pretty tough. And Rob Archer is, you know, this
Speaker 1: giant human being. He's like six nine or six ten.
Speaker 1: He's massive, and he's in the most incredible shape, and
Speaker 1: he's just this gentle giant. And my hands are my
Speaker 1: hands are physically linked up like this right, so I
Speaker 1: can't take them down. They're actually there are physically locked
Speaker 1: into cuffs. They're not fake cuffs. So if I there's
Speaker 1: nothing I can really do to defend myself. So it's
Speaker 1: this thing we keep coming back to about trust. You
Speaker 1: have to trust this person isn't gonna hit me in
Speaker 1: the face, because if Rob Archer hit me in the face,
Speaker 1: he's gonna take my head off, like he's a big dude.
Speaker 1: And he he made contact with my face one time.
Speaker 1: One time. We filmed this for about six hours. One
Speaker 1: time he made contact with my face and all it
Speaker 1: was he went and just touched the end of my nose.
Speaker 1: That was it. In six hours, he must have thrown
Speaker 1: five punches at me. And that was the closest to guard.
Speaker 1: It was when we were getting a little more confident
Speaker 1: and when I trusted him and he trusted me to
Speaker 1: do everything. And he even said he was like, I
Speaker 1: got you there a little hot, and I was like, dude,
Speaker 1: you are skin barely touched. But that's how good he was,
Speaker 1: That's how amazing he was at this. And we get
Speaker 1: to see Rob Archer again a little later on in
Speaker 1: season two, but we get to see him again. You
Speaker 1: were the demise of Rob Archer. Yes, yes, yes, it was.
Speaker 1: I remember that story. I was texting me currently and
Speaker 1: I wonder what he's saying. Let's see what is he doing?
Speaker 1: Just no, nothing, It's just an idiot. I love him.
Speaker 1: That man. Good lord. Yes, torture scene. We get tortured,
Speaker 1: and dear old Dad comes in and says, let's be friends.
Speaker 1: And I'm like you, buddy, yeah, you're like the friends.
Speaker 1: This is not how what I don't understand? This isn't
Speaker 1: I feel like Valentine doesn't know how to make friends
Speaker 1: very well, and he really his idea of friendship is, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna trick you into turning you into
Speaker 1: a werewolf, or I'm going to torture you under under
Speaker 1: all these circumstances, or I'm going to inject demon blood
Speaker 1: into your womb and it's gonna be great. We're such
Speaker 1: good friends. Yeah. Yeah, by the way, your boyfriend's or
Speaker 1: brother hunh yeah. Friends. And then just kind of dispays away.
Speaker 1: That's not trust and being a confidant. That's just messing
Speaker 1: up everyone's lives. Great out, I know. But speaking of
Speaker 1: trust and confiding in people, alder Tree really gives it
Speaker 1: a go here with Clary and gets Clary in his
Speaker 1: office and says, all right, let's talk. I'm here for you.
Speaker 1: I'm the new authority figure. I know that it's been
Speaker 1: a lot, but let's let's have a conversation because I'm
Speaker 1: here to help you, gives her a cup of tea,
Speaker 1: and instantly Clary's little spidy shadow huntry senses or tangling going.
Speaker 1: I have been taught enough by Jason the rest of
Speaker 1: the shadow Hunters to know that the Clave is not
Speaker 1: necessarily where you put your trust right away, but she
Speaker 1: does use it as an opportunity. Unfortunately, Victor alder Tree
Speaker 1: also uses it as an opportunity. But Claire uses it
Speaker 1: as an opportunity to try and clear Jayson's name and go, no,
Speaker 1: you don't understand. Jason didn't choose this. I didn't choose this. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: we got the wool pulled over our eyes by Valentine.
Speaker 1: He was three steps ahead of us, and no matter
Speaker 1: what we do, we were in an impossible situation and
Speaker 1: we got screwed. So let's really happy you don't know
Speaker 1: that you are running on faith there, Clary, because I
Speaker 1: remember having the conversation at the end of season one.
Speaker 1: I knew what I was doing, and Addictive knew what
Speaker 1: I was doing, and Michael Reese knew what I was doing.
Speaker 1: The three of us had that conversation and nobody else did.
Speaker 1: Nobody else knew if I was going to get the cup,
Speaker 1: or if I was going because maybe he's right, maybe
Speaker 1: this is where I belong to present. But I think
Speaker 1: the headspace that Clarie was at the time is knowing
Speaker 1: Jays's heart and knowing that even if he is under
Speaker 1: the impression of this is the right thing to do,
Speaker 1: that's not really who Jason is, and that's and he
Speaker 1: can be. We have to We have to bring him
Speaker 1: back before he goes too far, before he does something
Speaker 1: he can't undo, before we lose him entirely. Be it
Speaker 1: as Alex Parabatane my brother or yeah, either way, we
Speaker 1: have to get him back because he is not Valentine's
Speaker 1: He is not of that. He's not evil, you know
Speaker 1: he is. He is good, and he inherently is one
Speaker 1: of one of us, as it were of us, one
Speaker 1: of us. Also, Nick looks amazing in that soup little sidebar,
Speaker 1: that's all I'm looks fantastic. Now this next scene, I
Speaker 1: have a bone to pick with Valentine, and this is
Speaker 1: something that I will always be bitter about. I have
Speaker 1: a few bones to pick. But you go nuts this,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is one that you know,
Speaker 1: you and and Luke and Will all have experienced, and
Speaker 1: I never got to. Valentine makes all of his sons pasta,
Speaker 1: and you get the special Pecorino pasta. He never makes
Speaker 1: it for Clary, not once. He does in the books,
Speaker 1: but not in our show. It was only father something.
Speaker 1: You had a mom, Yeah, but I didn't get the
Speaker 1: Valentine pasta you had. You had a mom, You had Nicola.
Speaker 1: I had Nicola from when I was ten until I
Speaker 1: was ten. It was just torture and training and dead
Speaker 1: falcons and a little would have pastor every now and then. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would have taken no pasta and no training and
Speaker 1: no dead falcons if I'm honest. And a mom. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just would have liked a mom. Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: have liked to have a mom. Yeah, for sure. This
Speaker 1: was a fun scene though. This was the first time
Speaker 1: where Alan and I really got to play with each other,
Speaker 1: like we really got to understand how each other work.
Speaker 1: And we got to do a lot of this throughout
Speaker 1: season two, especially obviously at the beginning of these first
Speaker 1: three episodes where it's just us together and he the
Speaker 1: thing about Alan and I think the trick to acting
Speaker 1: in general, and it sounds really obvious. It's gonna sound
Speaker 1: really stupid and really basic, but it's just to make
Speaker 1: you believe. It's just to make you believe what you're doing.
Speaker 1: And I watched my performances sometimes and go, I know
Speaker 1: what I was thinking. I can see what I was thinking,
Speaker 1: and that's why it doesn't mean it means I wasn't
Speaker 1: feeling it, Whereas with Alan, I never think that. I
Speaker 1: always think and I know that that one of my
Speaker 1: flaws is that I'm very highly critical of what I do.
Speaker 1: And I think that's an act of thing as well.
Speaker 1: You just are highly critical. But Alan, Alan is just
Speaker 1: in line with what he does, like he makes you
Speaker 1: believe that he believes it. And again a strange thing
Speaker 1: because he's just a big old softie Allen. He's just
Speaker 1: a nice guy. He's a really really nice, caring dude.
Speaker 1: He's a great father and real life, evidently not so
Speaker 1: much in the show, but in real life he's a
Speaker 1: wonderful father to Logan, who's turning into the most amazing
Speaker 1: young man. You know, he just turned eighteen or nineteen, Logan.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that crazy met him when he was
Speaker 1: like eleven or twelve when we first met him. Crazy,
Speaker 1: But yeah, That's one of my favorite things about Alan
Speaker 1: as he does you just believe it when you're working,
Speaker 1: you just fully believe it. Anyway, we almost stab him
Speaker 1: and then we don't have pastor that's how that scene ends,
Speaker 1: and then we end up with Magnus and which we
Speaker 1: haven't talked much about this episode, but it's interesting because
Speaker 1: the last time we saw them, they were really happy
Speaker 1: because they had finally admitted their feelings to each other,
Speaker 1: and they were, Oh, yeah, love is great. It's going
Speaker 1: to be tricky, but love is great. And now it's
Speaker 1: the kind of part of the relationship the real world.
Speaker 1: It's so yes, this is and this is part of
Speaker 1: what we did in season two is that real grounding
Speaker 1: of what relationships are in reality. But we did leave
Speaker 1: them in the end of season one, didn't they say
Speaker 1: something like, funk, we should go on a date. We
Speaker 1: haven't been on a date. Yeah, I just threw my
Speaker 1: life away for you, and you've just announced your love
Speaker 1: for me, and like we should see if like we
Speaker 1: actually like each other. And that, I think is where
Speaker 1: this tumultuousness comes from. Like it in my head, it
Speaker 1: tracks like completely that they're like, it completely tracks you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, yeah, but it's it's the fact
Speaker 1: that they haven't had an opportunity to figure out what
Speaker 1: this relationship is and all and and and exactly, and
Speaker 1: now they're having to, you know, save the world and
Speaker 1: save his paramatite. And we're finding that, you know, because
Speaker 1: they haven't had a chance to really bond other than
Speaker 1: this kind of chemistry that they've had initially. There they
Speaker 1: have disagreements on the ways in which they handle crises.
Speaker 1: You know. Alec wants to find Jay's, wants to tract
Speaker 1: James wants to do if Jay's dies, I die. We
Speaker 1: have to figure this out, but Magnus won't do it
Speaker 1: because the last time they tried it, Alec almost died.
Speaker 1: And Magnus is going, I just got you. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to lose you. We can we can deal with,
Speaker 1: you know, losing We can deal with all of this.
Speaker 1: There there are other ways. And Alex is so because
Speaker 1: it's it's Jays and it's his paramotite, and he hasn't
Speaker 1: arguably because Jason was off for Clary and Alec was
Speaker 1: dealing with his own things Lydia. They haven't been there
Speaker 1: for each other. And I think Alec is having a
Speaker 1: lot of guilt about that and really regretting the separation
Speaker 1: because you two had a bit of a fissure at
Speaker 1: the end of last season, which you brought back together,
Speaker 1: but there was a good chunk of time where you're
Speaker 1: sort of on opposite sides of the same playing field. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which again is something I'm glad that we didn't really
Speaker 1: get in season two, that that we only experienced that
Speaker 1: real tension really the one time. Yeah. Am I right
Speaker 1: in saying that? Yeah, I'm right in saying that because
Speaker 1: we in season two we got to play with it
Speaker 1: a lot more. When you get to season two of
Speaker 1: a show, you as the actor have a little more
Speaker 1: I guess responsibility over your character and stuff. So we
Speaker 1: got to we got too then at that point be
Speaker 1: a little more like, let's sort of make some of
Speaker 1: these decisions rather than waiting for someone to Hellos to
Speaker 1: make these decisions, Like we're allowed to do things like
Speaker 1: there was there's a scene that comes up later on
Speaker 1: and Alec walks in and I don't even see him,
Speaker 1: and before he's before he's arrived, I'm like, what's wrong?
Speaker 1: And we because we had that discussion of like I
Speaker 1: could sense that there was something wrong with him, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And that was that was something
Speaker 1: that Matt and I got to toy with and play with,
Speaker 1: and that is something that kind of comes in in
Speaker 1: season one. You well, at least in my experience, you're
Speaker 1: sort of having your handheld through everything, like this is
Speaker 1: how we're doing it, this is the tone of the shows,
Speaker 1: is what we're doing, and that's fine. And in season
Speaker 1: two you get a little more like, Okay, I fully
Speaker 1: get this guy now, like you laid the groundwork for me,
Speaker 1: and now I know who this person is because I
Speaker 1: lived them for a year and we get to sort
Speaker 1: of toy with it a little bit after this scene,
Speaker 1: we get our first look at thank you again, Philip,
Speaker 1: the hollow table, the holographic tables that we end up
Speaker 1: using a whole bunch the war tables, yeah, which that's
Speaker 1: ended up being our cool sheet that it was just
Speaker 1: like where are we doing this scene? It just said
Speaker 1: the war table, interior war table, and we're like, great,
Speaker 1: we know exactly where that is. And we got to
Speaker 1: have these like holograms come in that we could actually
Speaker 1: interact with. Obviously, the holograms weren't actually there because that
Speaker 1: technology doesn't exist yet, but more is the pity. M hm.
Speaker 1: You can make one. You can make one with like
Speaker 1: a prism. We've seen this happen on YouTube. You can
Speaker 1: make one, but it's not obviously, it's just like you
Speaker 1: can't actually interact with it. But we got to the
Speaker 1: shadow Hunters are more advanced than us, evidently, we got
Speaker 1: to interact with these, and I think they are the
Speaker 1: coolest addition to the institute other than getting rid of
Speaker 1: all the glass. So it wasn't a fucking nightmare to ship. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: and and now the institute is all on one floor.
Speaker 1: So did you remember they used to have to put
Speaker 1: the ramp up and push so the dollies that cameras
Speaker 1: are on, it's sort of these big like they almost
Speaker 1: look like a scissor lift there, and it's kind of
Speaker 1: what it is. It's like a big sciss lift, but
Speaker 1: it's so heavy. It weighs like a ton, really heavy.
Speaker 1: It's like the side of the weight of a small car.
Speaker 1: And they had to push it up, you know, four
Speaker 1: stairs up this ramp and it took like six people
Speaker 1: to get it up there. Every time it's an absolute nightmare.
Speaker 1: And now it's all on one level, so that that
Speaker 1: issue is just completely mixed, which is great. Now it's
Speaker 1: talking about issues. There's another huge issue that I had
Speaker 1: forgotten until you watched this episode. Not only does alder
Speaker 1: Tree come in and go, you know, Jay's has wanted
Speaker 1: dead or alive. This is you know, the words a
Speaker 1: war on Valentine and a war on Jay's. He also goes, hey,
Speaker 1: your downworlder buddies, get out of the institute. You're not
Speaker 1: welcome here. And this is something that you know, we
Speaker 1: had worked really hard in season one to to bring
Speaker 1: people together and to bring the down world into the
Speaker 1: Institute and make everyone comfortable, and alder Tree goes, not
Speaker 1: get out you know of there, get out of there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it's He really does try and drive a wrench
Speaker 1: between these allies that have been founded over the course
Speaker 1: of season one, and it's, uh, it's It's one of
Speaker 1: those elements that I absolutely love because you have Nick,
Speaker 1: who's just the most charming individual, come in and say
Speaker 1: in the most charming and yet most passive aggressive way,
Speaker 1: get out about get out and he that's what's so
Speaker 1: good about Nick, And I think what's good about any
Speaker 1: villain is they have to be charismatic like you have to.
Speaker 1: There has to be a part of you that's like
Speaker 1: I kind of believe him. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's the accent or the handsomeness the suit. Maybe I
Speaker 1: don't know what it is, but like I kind of
Speaker 1: get it. I kind of believe what you're saying, even
Speaker 1: though it's terrible. And I think Nick did a very
Speaker 1: very good job of of being charismatic. He's just a
Speaker 1: charismatic guy. And next we have this scene between Luke
Speaker 1: and Simon where I love I love the buddy carp
Speaker 1: element and the father's son elements Luke and Simon I
Speaker 1: got to say a little bit in season one, but
Speaker 1: it only deepens in season two as Luke is helping
Speaker 1: Simon even more become accustomed to his new powers and
Speaker 1: his new skills. And it's it's nice that we can
Speaker 1: keep at least the down world together in a certain way,
Speaker 1: although although we do see in this scene the the
Speaker 1: werewolves aren't really used to having a vampire around all
Speaker 1: the time, and sort of that thing of like all right, buddy,
Speaker 1: you've been hanging out here a lot, like enough, this
Speaker 1: is a lot. We don't know how we feel about this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're not quite there yet. We're gonna work on it,
Speaker 1: but we're not quite there having you like in our house.
Speaker 1: We're not just you know, it's it doesn't work quite
Speaker 1: that way, but it's it's nice. It's I I like,
Speaker 1: the two of them together did such a good job
Speaker 1: and they had such a beautiful chemistry with each other
Speaker 1: that I think it really it really parallels this, like
Speaker 1: the unwelcomeness of the werewolves. Also him trying to Encanter
Speaker 1: in this scene. It's the best. It's it's such a
Speaker 1: gift that we Alberto not only has such emotional depth,
Speaker 1: but his comedic timing and his comedic skills are so brilliant.
Speaker 1: This this sort of Jedi mind trick, because if you
Speaker 1: think about it, if you were supposed to be a
Speaker 1: vampire for the first time and you're trying to figure
Speaker 1: it out, that would be the only frame of reference
Speaker 1: that you would have for something like Incanda. And so
Speaker 1: he's doing this whole Jedi mind trick hand motion and
Speaker 1: doing the the you know, it's not the dry you're
Speaker 1: looking for, like this one, this weird little thing that
Speaker 1: he does because it's like it's like when Spider Man
Speaker 1: tried first tries to and he's when Toby Maguire does it,
Speaker 1: and he tries like a bunch of different like hand
Speaker 1: things to do, and I just can't figure it out.
Speaker 1: And that's what Simon's doing, is like, I know there's
Speaker 1: a way to do this, I just don't know which
Speaker 1: one of these if I put it together, works And
Speaker 1: he did an amazing job. And then he finds himself
Speaker 1: in the boat basin and he spends a lot of
Speaker 1: time in this boat basins, thet basin. No body and
Speaker 1: now we're back in the boat. But this is do
Speaker 1: you want to do? You want to tell us a
Speaker 1: little bit dumb because I again I wasn't here on
Speaker 1: set this day, But do you want to tell us
Speaker 1: a little bit about sunglasses guy and about the rest
Speaker 1: of the guy blessed his heart, So like we had,
Speaker 1: we had two D background background, all training together and
Speaker 1: all doing a very good job. It was very, very
Speaker 1: hot this day. I have been changed, actually I think
Speaker 1: it happened in the last scene, but I was changed
Speaker 1: into this fucking sweater that I absolutely hated, and Shelly
Speaker 1: and I used to laugh about. Shelley was our costume designer. Anyway,
Speaker 1: it was a hot day and everyone's doing there, you know,
Speaker 1: they're one two punches this and this poor guy showed
Speaker 1: up in sunglasses because it's obviously very bright and he
Speaker 1: had just had lasik it turns out, and had to
Speaker 1: protect his eyes, which is fine, but it was very
Speaker 1: obvious that one of our background was wearing ray bands
Speaker 1: and it sort of stood out on the whole thing,
Speaker 1: and it was that obviously couldn't be the case, so
Speaker 1: they had to take care of it. But overall, I
Speaker 1: think this scene turned out. This was a very very
Speaker 1: cool scene because again we're out on the boat and
Speaker 1: to have this many people all kind of in unison
Speaker 1: doing something like for the idea to transcend the popularity
Speaker 1: of two D people is cool and everyone kind of
Speaker 1: got it and it was it's a cool thing to do.
Speaker 1: This scene was actually another originally, and what we filmed
Speaker 1: was another. He grabs my hand and he shows me
Speaker 1: another little little vision and I can't remember what the
Speaker 1: vision was, something about my childhood, but that ended up
Speaker 1: getting cut. How interesting. So it's just sort of him
Speaker 1: and I talking and then we get to melt some faces,
Speaker 1: not in the musical sense, in the actual melting. Well.
Speaker 1: This is again you know, it's a huge testament only
Speaker 1: to our stunt team, but to the rest of the
Speaker 1: VFX team and everything else as we move forward into
Speaker 1: this and as we dive into the depth of the
Speaker 1: brutality of what this is going to be, because really
Speaker 1: this is the season where Valentine has power now, and
Speaker 1: so because Valentine has power totality and the steaks are raised,
Speaker 1: you know, the bad guy has the cup and and
Speaker 1: the one of the chosen ones, and we are all
Speaker 1: scrambling to play catchup. But then what that goes into
Speaker 1: is again, if we're talking about stunts, my huge first
Speaker 1: experience with the McGuire brothers stunt team, which was this
Speaker 1: training scene between Clarie and Isabelle and I had thought
Speaker 1: with Swords season one and I've done one fight scene
Speaker 1: with the bow Staff, but when we got the McGuire
Speaker 1: brothers in, they really sat down with their team and
Speaker 1: taught us everything we hadn't had time to learn in
Speaker 1: season one. And I remember from pre production to this fight,
Speaker 1: I was training with the bow Staff getting ready for
Speaker 1: this fight with isabel and we had the best time
Speaker 1: doing it. And actually Emerald and I were able to
Speaker 1: do the majority of this fight scene ourselves, and obviously
Speaker 1: you know that for some of the tricks and some
Speaker 1: of the aerial stuff and the hard falls, they brought
Speaker 1: in our amazing stunt doubles who stayed with us for
Speaker 1: the rest of the course of the series. Emerad looks
Speaker 1: so good. She's she's so natural with this bow staff.
Speaker 1: It really like the whip is hard work because it's
Speaker 1: even if you're the best in the world at a whip,
Speaker 1: every now and then it just does what it fucking
Speaker 1: wants and normally she just had to handle and that
Speaker 1: doesn't do anything. And you know, she this, she looked
Speaker 1: really at home with this bow staff, and I'm really
Speaker 1: glad this is this became one of her like core
Speaker 1: elements kind of. But one thing I didn't realize until
Speaker 1: I rewatched this episode is that there's such a cool
Speaker 1: element to the shadow Hunters world of how we find
Speaker 1: ways to have quote unquote private conversations because the Clave
Speaker 1: is always watching and the Institute is one of those places.
Speaker 1: It's like a high school. Everybody hears everything, everyone knows everything,
Speaker 1: there's always someone around a corner. And yet Isabella is
Speaker 1: so clever and that she finds a way to get
Speaker 1: her idea and her message through to Clary. She does
Speaker 1: in training her in going, look, we're the only time
Speaker 1: that we are going to be left alone is if
Speaker 1: we're fighting, So get in here. I'm going to quote
Speaker 1: unquote train you, which you also need because your baby
Speaker 1: shadow Hunter, but also I'm going to give you an idea.
Speaker 1: I'm going to see if I can trust you and
Speaker 1: see if I can plant this seed. And it's the
Speaker 1: beginning of this Clary and Isabel partnership as well, as
Speaker 1: we continue to see it grow and sort of foreshadowing
Speaker 1: things to come that we see later on in future season. Right.
Speaker 1: But there there's a nice cat and mouse to the
Speaker 1: scene as well, and you get to see the skill
Speaker 1: of of both of these women. And that's what I
Speaker 1: love about these training scenes as well, is that no
Speaker 1: one has ever made the fool of and no one
Speaker 1: ever looks weaker than the other person. In these scenes,
Speaker 1: you see these two people fighting and they each get
Speaker 1: one up on each other occasionally, and clearly Isabel has
Speaker 1: the training and the skill in the years of experience,
Speaker 1: but Clary keeps up to an extent, and it's it's
Speaker 1: nice to kind of see that balance when you come
Speaker 1: into these scenes and again that's a testament to the
Speaker 1: McGuire brothers and the way that they so beautifully weave
Speaker 1: story into every fight scene. It's you know, it's always
Speaker 1: a story without a story without a story with them,
Speaker 1: and it's so characterful and it's so based in everything
Speaker 1: that we're trying to get across to the audience, and
Speaker 1: it adds so much more to a story than people
Speaker 1: just hitting each other with things. Yeah. Yeah, We've got
Speaker 1: these amazing videos from the McGuire brothers that Darren, mostly
Speaker 1: Darren would would film them, and God, I missed that
Speaker 1: man so desperately. I reached out to him fairly often
Speaker 1: and we just chat that he just the excitement that
Speaker 1: he felt for for being a part of something like
Speaker 1: this is so inspiring. It watching him like if there
Speaker 1: was ever a day that we were I can only
Speaker 1: speak for myself, but if there was ever a day
Speaker 1: that I was tired and I was kind of over it,
Speaker 1: and it happened really rarely, very very rarely, but I
Speaker 1: would look at Darren and I would see his excitement
Speaker 1: and his joy and it's almost like juvenile. It's almost
Speaker 1: like childlike. It's like joy that he feels for what
Speaker 1: he does, and it reminds me like, that's right, this
Speaker 1: is really fucking special. Even if I just had that
Speaker 1: brief moment of laps looking at Darren would remind me
Speaker 1: how special would I do is? And that's why he
Speaker 1: will forever be in my heart because I will away
Speaker 1: remember that part of him. Any who, we're back at
Speaker 1: the docks. Are we back at the docks? Oh wait,
Speaker 1: hold on, there's this scene. There's a scene between Maris
Speaker 1: and Alec that we need to Oh, shoot, you're right
Speaker 1: to talk about you're right, you're right, you're right where
Speaker 1: Maris is ready to abandon Jace and is ready to
Speaker 1: jump on on alder Trees boat as it were, to
Speaker 1: save the family. And it's I think it's again, poor Alec.
Speaker 1: He goes through so much family conflict and he's pulled
Speaker 1: in so many different directions by the people that he
Speaker 1: loves and just doesn't where to turn. It's it's the
Speaker 1: duty and heart, but they're so conflated in his life
Speaker 1: that it's where where does he turn? What does he do?
Speaker 1: We know, but it doesn't happen until after the scene.
Speaker 1: We do know. Now we're back at the docks, where
Speaker 1: you have alder Tree of all people waltzing up to
Speaker 1: the Jade Wolf. He's working kind of funny though, yeah,
Speaker 1: like he's not himself, almost like he's in someone else's shoes.
Speaker 1: It's very range. And my favorite thing is that Luke goes,
Speaker 1: get off my dock, get out of here. We don't
Speaker 1: want your kind. You don't want our kind here. We
Speaker 1: don't want your kind here. And then suddenly he just
Speaker 1: breaks and goes, oh, I'm so sorry. Oh shoot, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I forgot I was dressed as somebody else. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then it's Clary, which I think they so with with
Speaker 1: the shot that they did this sort of swooping han
Speaker 1: up from the wrist to the face. They were able
Speaker 1: to just gloss over the fact that Nick is so
Speaker 1: much taller than me. We had I remember that being
Speaker 1: a thing with with the Lydia Alan switch as well
Speaker 1: the Lydian Lydia Valentine switch, like how are we going
Speaker 1: to deal with the fact that they're just not the
Speaker 1: same hight Like, how is that gonna go down? But
Speaker 1: it just worked for some reason. Well, and it's because
Speaker 1: we weren't allowed to leave the institute. The only way
Speaker 1: to leave the institute is to be the Boss, so
Speaker 1: a little little shape drifter root and off of magic
Speaker 1: magic magic, and also I need to catch up with
Speaker 1: Sibon of course and listen to some funny time. Yeah going, hey, um,
Speaker 1: police can move it? Some help on that sor yeah no,
Speaker 1: And then Mama comes in to ruin the day I
Speaker 1: am trying to track I do love these little It's
Speaker 1: the same thing with you know baby Vampire Simon. You
Speaker 1: have baby shadow Hunter Clary. He's trying to track Jason's gloves,
Speaker 1: trying to do all this stuff. It doesn't doesn't know
Speaker 1: what she's doing, just trying though. Yeah, there's no way,
Speaker 1: Like how do you figure that out? Like how did
Speaker 1: Superman figure out that he could fly when he was
Speaker 1: on Earth? You know what I mean? I actually think
Speaker 1: the Man of Steel did it very well where he
Speaker 1: just jumped high one time and I was like, I
Speaker 1: think I have more in me and just kind of
Speaker 1: kept going and that was really cool. Like that's how
Speaker 1: sort of how you figure it out. Like you try
Speaker 1: and track a glove for the first time, You're like,
Speaker 1: I don't want doing there's no instructions, Like I don't
Speaker 1: know what I'm doing. It's something in me that I
Speaker 1: just need to do. It's like, how do I, how
Speaker 1: do I? How do I change my heartbeat to make
Speaker 1: this work? How's that possible without any training? It's not possible.
Speaker 1: It's not. But some thing else I love about the
Speaker 1: Shadow World is that, yes, we have all these magical elements,
Speaker 1: but but we also use the most human of things.
Speaker 1: Where Justin's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, this is such
Speaker 1: a good idea. I'm so glad you have the glove
Speaker 1: by and just runs and locks them in the boat base.
Speaker 1: So childish, Come on, man, so childish. So I have
Speaker 1: now caught up to a scene where I think, for
Speaker 1: the first time, we see what incredible shape Harry is in.
Speaker 1: And it's just always in this shape, is always in
Speaker 1: this shape. It's like mind blowing that he is just
Speaker 1: always in this shape. I don't know how he finds
Speaker 1: the time where he does it, because he puts so
Speaker 1: much work into his work and his family as well.
Speaker 1: He's just always in this shape. It is absolutely astounding.
Speaker 1: But also almost as impressive as the shape that Harry
Speaker 1: is in is that we change the magic. We changed
Speaker 1: what his magic looks like, and it looks like energy,
Speaker 1: it looks like something that he's formulating and he has
Speaker 1: this sort of tai chi thing that he's doing out
Speaker 1: on the bowl me he's meditating almost with his magic.
Speaker 1: And I remember seeing this scene for the first time
Speaker 1: and thinking it as the coolest fucking thing. It looks
Speaker 1: so good from Harry's movements to the matching of that
Speaker 1: with the CG and turning it into something that's really
Speaker 1: beautiful and aesthetic to watch. It's a really really cool scene.
Speaker 1: And then they get to this is this is a
Speaker 1: very human, normal non TV relationship conversation when things get difficult,
Speaker 1: don't push me away, very very normal. It's a very
Speaker 1: normal conversation. As is they want to push someone away,
Speaker 1: they want to keep someone at a distance when you
Speaker 1: have an issue. It's unfortunately very it's very masculine, which
Speaker 1: is a shame. It's it's something that it has sort
Speaker 1: of been bred into us, that is, like, we can
Speaker 1: deal with this problem. We don't need anyone else to
Speaker 1: come in and help. And I think this generation is
Speaker 1: sort of the first generation to really be looking into
Speaker 1: things like men's mental health and the fact that we
Speaker 1: do need help, and we do need someone to hold
Speaker 1: our hands every now and then, or just someone to
Speaker 1: talk to or turn to. And I think this this
Speaker 1: scene is a really important version of that. Whether it's
Speaker 1: a love boyfriend, a girlfriend, a parent, a friend, whoever
Speaker 1: it is, we as men have to understand that it
Speaker 1: is absolutely okay to ask for that help. And this
Speaker 1: seems embodies that really beautifully. And I think that's a
Speaker 1: really lovely thing. Yeah. And that's the thing about Magnus
Speaker 1: and Alec is they were able to establish that so early.
Speaker 1: This is the point in which they established that so
Speaker 1: early in their relationship. And they don't make the perfect
Speaker 1: choice every time moving forward, but the fact that they
Speaker 1: have this conversation early on and go I'm here and
Speaker 1: I'm not going anywhere, so it don't push me away
Speaker 1: is it's beautiful and it's they have such a lovely,
Speaker 1: healthy relationship. It's so nice because nobody else on the
Speaker 1: show does. No, this is the normal relationship of the show. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And now we're back to the boat basin with Simon
Speaker 1: throwing himself into the boat basin door. What is it
Speaker 1: made of that he can't get through it with ump speak?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: Maybe Luke has like a special lock on it. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe it's it's denting. It looks like it's made out
Speaker 1: of wolverines boats, Like, how is it not just breaking
Speaker 1: under the pressure anyway? This is you guys seen you
Speaker 1: guys talk well everything, it's it's it's a scene that
Speaker 1: we haven't had a chance to have in a long time,
Speaker 1: because at the beginning of season one we had all
Speaker 1: these lovely moments of Clarie and Simon going hey, remember
Speaker 1: that time, and you really get to see the human
Speaker 1: part of both of these characters and this friendship that's
Speaker 1: been there forever. That's it's your sort of parabiti adjacent
Speaker 1: but the closest thing we can get in the mundane world.
Speaker 1: And both of these characters have been through so much,
Speaker 1: but just the fact that they have this moment to
Speaker 1: read this is the time out to re establish their
Speaker 1: friendship and to to reconnect and go that's right. I
Speaker 1: know I've hurt you and you've hurt me, and we've
Speaker 1: been through a lot together, but we're going to get
Speaker 1: through this because we're Clary and Simon, and that's what
Speaker 1: we do. He also we should also mention that Simon,
Speaker 1: it's Simon Alberto came back from season two in the
Speaker 1: most phenomenal shape, like through that he was insane. He
Speaker 1: was in such insane shape. Um, and we're all very
Speaker 1: jealous of that. Just broke down. Oh well, this is
Speaker 1: and the door breaks down. This is the thing that
Speaker 1: happens to Simon in the first couple episodes of this
Speaker 1: season is you have all these moments where Simon is
Speaker 1: is working up the courage to tell Clary that he's
Speaker 1: in love with her because Jason is now out of
Speaker 1: the picture. So he thinks and he's like, you know what,
Speaker 1: we're both in the same world now, I'm a vampire.
Speaker 1: He's got this new vampire mojo that you know, we
Speaker 1: get to see that's himself a little yeah yeah, and
Speaker 1: he's going, you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna tell her.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell her that I love her. And so
Speaker 1: he goes, I'm completely and totally in the door goes yeah,
Speaker 1: oh well nu, And then I was like, oh great, yeah,
Speaker 1: hold that thought. But we gotta we gotta track Jocelyn
Speaker 1: before he she kills my brother. With all kinds of
Speaker 1: people tracking Jace right now, so Justin is tracking Magnus
Speaker 1: and Alec and now tracking we also at the beginning
Speaker 1: of this scene. So we turn up at Paul. We
Speaker 1: do get shert lista Daria again love that. We get
Speaker 1: to see the first new portal. These new portals look amazing.
Speaker 1: They are such a step up from season one. It
Speaker 1: actually looks like matter is being transported from one place
Speaker 1: to another, and I love that, like a swirling vortex.
Speaker 1: So Philip and folks VFX, thank you very much for
Speaker 1: for upping our game there. Anyway, we come to a
Speaker 1: vampire Den, sneaky little vampire Den, and Valentine is finally
Speaker 1: trying to manipulate Jason to this little tool that he
Speaker 1: wants him to be. After we find out later the
Speaker 1: failure of Jonathan being said. He's trying to manipulate this thing,
Speaker 1: this thing to be his new weapon. We go into Reggie's.
Speaker 1: Reggie's is full of vampires, full of weirdly sexy vampires,
Speaker 1: all covered in blood and ready to just kill everyone.
Speaker 1: We get maybe our first slow motion fight I think
Speaker 1: it is, And this is something that wasn't it Darren's.
Speaker 1: Was it Darren or Matt I don't remember. Maybe it
Speaker 1: was a combination of both of their brains, but this
Speaker 1: was I believe the first fight scene that we shot
Speaker 1: for season two, so it was the first time we
Speaker 1: really got to see the combination of Matt Hastings and
Speaker 1: the Maguire brothers at work and the way in which
Speaker 1: Darren at one maybe my favorite thing about Darren creatively
Speaker 1: on this show is that he really put so much
Speaker 1: thought into the movement and the actual fighting of each
Speaker 1: supernatural creed sure and and blended different martial arts and
Speaker 1: different concepts and different weapons into each creature, so we
Speaker 1: all moved a little bit differently, and then even further
Speaker 1: with the shadow Hunters into each character. You know, each
Speaker 1: of us fought in a different way, and each creature
Speaker 1: fought in a different way, and it was all a
Speaker 1: combination of real world elements and real world technique, but
Speaker 1: in a way that was so characterful and so well
Speaker 1: thought out. But with the vampires, that's exactly what you're
Speaker 1: you're saying, is that we had this sort of slow
Speaker 1: motion to play with slow motion to to really be
Speaker 1: indicative of the vampires speed. Do you want to tell
Speaker 1: us a little bit about how that played out? So
Speaker 1: this was actually very tricky. So because the vampires vaporize,
Speaker 1: you have to film this scene every take is three takes,
Speaker 1: So it's the first take with all of the actors,
Speaker 1: so with me and the vampires. Then there's the second
Speaker 1: take that's just me and I have to try and
Speaker 1: track everything through and hit everything, hit every state, push
Speaker 1: and pool like it's entering a body, and then that
Speaker 1: body is disappearing to the arms them free. And then
Speaker 1: there's a third one that's just with the vampires who
Speaker 1: have to do the same thing but without me there.
Speaker 1: And then they pair everything together with the c g
Speaker 1: I and you get the shots where the vampires aren't
Speaker 1: there because they're vaprized, and where they are there because
Speaker 1: they obviously still there, and blah blah blah. We also
Speaker 1: get to see the one and only rest as Soul,
Speaker 1: Dean Copov, who was our stunt rigger. We've spoken about
Speaker 1: him very affectionately over the course of this podcast, and
Speaker 1: he plays one of the vampires, I think, one of
Speaker 1: the first vampires. In fact, I know I know which
Speaker 1: one he is because I get him under armed with
Speaker 1: a steak and you see his face go over and
Speaker 1: then he vaporizes. And he was the man who kept
Speaker 1: us safe for two years. He made sure that we
Speaker 1: never fell, we never were in danger. He made sure
Speaker 1: that the Ropes always had us and we miss you, buddy,
Speaker 1: we do. I mean, he was the one who I
Speaker 1: get so much and let me time attack that Dean,
Speaker 1: But he was really the one who, at least for me,
Speaker 1: was there all the time. I used to go box
Speaker 1: with Dean three to five times a week, and he's
Speaker 1: the one person I think. I think each one of
Speaker 1: his experienced this who you know, and all of Darren's
Speaker 1: team was so good at this, but I think we
Speaker 1: all spent the most time with Dean, and he would
Speaker 1: check in on us as people as well and just
Speaker 1: go you know, how you doing, and just be there
Speaker 1: to talk to us about anything, and really take the
Speaker 1: time to make each one of us feel like family
Speaker 1: and to feel safe, you know, not only physically but emotionally.
Speaker 1: And that's so much of this world and so much
Speaker 1: of this industry and so much of you know, what
Speaker 1: we do every day requires that. But it's often the
Speaker 1: first thing that gets forgotten. And Dean was just the
Speaker 1: most special of of people and left such a legacy
Speaker 1: for so many people and touch so many lives, you will,
Speaker 1: We were trying to carry on that legacy, I think
Speaker 1: as much as possible right now. Yeah, but just the
Speaker 1: biggest thank you. Just I don't even know what to
Speaker 1: say other than thank you and we love you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: mhm um, trying to move on. Um yeah um. We
Speaker 1: leave the fight, we come back out on the street
Speaker 1: and were met by everyone, the whole host of funk
Speaker 1: wits or trying to kill Jason. I'm tired of it,
Speaker 1: tired of trying to people trying to kill me the
Speaker 1: whole time. It is unacceptable. Um, who is there? So Clary?
Speaker 1: Oh no, there's a there's actually a really fun scene
Speaker 1: with Simon. There's a funny Simon thing. And I do
Speaker 1: have to take a moment to talk about how we
Speaker 1: shot this scene because it's one of one of my
Speaker 1: favorite memories from especially this episode, because we were still
Speaker 1: learning Matt Hayes dings and we were still learning you know,
Speaker 1: this whole crew and everything else. But what made me
Speaker 1: laugh so much is that they actually shot the scene
Speaker 1: because it's vamp speed and we're running through a park.
Speaker 1: We were in an actual park when we shop this,
Speaker 1: but they put the camera and Matt and a bunch
Speaker 1: of people on a golf cart and they floored the
Speaker 1: golf cart and drove it as fast as they could,
Speaker 1: and Alberto and I had to keep up with the
Speaker 1: golf cart but also each other, and then also balanced
Speaker 1: the dialogue with the vamp speed and with everything else. Granted,
Speaker 1: Alberto is a lot faster than I am, so I
Speaker 1: think I think they legs got a longer legs. But
Speaker 1: also the dialogue is very true to life here of
Speaker 1: come on, we gotta go fast because we gotta find
Speaker 1: Jay's I'm a vampire. I'm going slow for you, right,
Speaker 1: that's right, Yeah, Yeah, that's right. It could have been
Speaker 1: there in a second. Yeah, it's a very very humbling moment.
Speaker 1: I also don't know though, why Clary just doesn't jump
Speaker 1: on his back and then the vamp speed pay you back.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't hows that happened before, not vamp speed. But we
Speaker 1: used to do it, you know, he used to. But yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I think if he took off mhm, like if you
Speaker 1: would if you if the fucking airplane was going at
Speaker 1: a hundred miles an hour and you just grabbed onto
Speaker 1: the side of it, it's just gonna rip your arm off. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a safe way of what is
Speaker 1: it in Maybe it's x men, and I thought it
Speaker 1: was a very clever thing when that when Quicksilver runs
Speaker 1: with people, he braces behind their head, he like puts
Speaker 1: their hand behind their head, because the first thing would
Speaker 1: happen is your head would whip back, right, and he
Speaker 1: does that. So I think there's an element there of
Speaker 1: like you need to be conscious of this, this body
Speaker 1: that is not used to traveling at however many hundreds
Speaker 1: of miles an hour, right, that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: Or so it's it's a storytelling thing there. There's just
Speaker 1: times whereas like this would be so much easier if
Speaker 1: we I just jumped on your back, Like let's just
Speaker 1: for TV's sake, let's say that can't happen indeed, but
Speaker 1: now for TV's sake, we have one of these moments
Speaker 1: where we get to see all of the storylines converge.
Speaker 1: Everyone's been tracking Jays. Everyone's trying to kill Jays except
Speaker 1: Clary and Simon. They're trying. I mean, maybe Simon's trying
Speaker 1: to kill Jase, but I really don't think so. Maybe subconsciously,
Speaker 1: I don't think. I think he's probably imagined it. But
Speaker 1: it's I think it's going to come to start board
Speaker 1: with Jase's face on it totally somewhere, Um, we get
Speaker 1: to this moment where we get to see jameson make
Speaker 1: a choice, and we get to see Jason fully in
Speaker 1: the view of everyone with a stake two of the
Speaker 1: Empire's chest and conflict. So the whole thing with this
Speaker 1: scene was and I remember shooting this and it was
Speaker 1: so interesting. It was supposed to be entirely ambiguous, right,
Speaker 1: And what we ended up doing was the stake was
Speaker 1: dropped when she made her move. So what happened was
Speaker 1: she ran into it rather than it being necessarily Jason's choice.
Speaker 1: Although the question was always there, would Jase have done this?
Speaker 1: Would he if he was pushed far enough? Would he
Speaker 1: have done it? Anyway? Would you have broken the rules
Speaker 1: because he knows that this vampire is bad? Which is
Speaker 1: it's like that that thing it's it's called acceptable loss?
Speaker 1: Like are you and I think again, I think we've
Speaker 1: spoken about this, like would you kill one innocent us
Speaker 1: and to save one innocent person? Probably not? Would you
Speaker 1: kill one instant person to save a hundred inscent people?
Speaker 1: Then you're starting to get on this like I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know what the answer is. And this is
Speaker 1: This is exactly the dichotomy that we were trying to
Speaker 1: play with here, like should Jace kill this thing? Should
Speaker 1: jas kill this vampire? No? The answer is no. The
Speaker 1: rules are in place. You should see trial. That's what
Speaker 1: should happen. However, would he be doing the greater good
Speaker 1: if he did? Possibly, but that's not his job, that's
Speaker 1: not what he does for a living well, and we
Speaker 1: will never know because because that choice was taken away
Speaker 1: from him, and then we are we see that maybe
Speaker 1: the one we see Valentine do, the one heroic thing
Speaker 1: he may have ever done. Is it heroic though? Is it?
Speaker 1: He does save my life? But is it heroic? Or
Speaker 1: is it manipulative? Is it another? Does he have that
Speaker 1: moment to go? This is how I get him on side,
Speaker 1: is by doing this, because in reality, if he lost me,
Speaker 1: he's creating this army. He could sort of hand pick
Speaker 1: any one of those people. But he does. He saves Jason.
Speaker 1: But at least now at this point in the story,
Speaker 1: Valentine has a soft spot for Jase. Yeah, and Jason's
Speaker 1: is developing a soft spot for Valentine. I think I
Speaker 1: think that's the truth behind this, and it's it's so
Speaker 1: interesting to see Jocelyn make this turn, and I always
Speaker 1: wondered about this because she immediately reloads as well, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, she's going to do it again. She's she's
Speaker 1: going in for the kill. Which it's It's a tricky
Speaker 1: thing here, isn't it, because we all end up in
Speaker 1: Jocelyn's position later on in the seasons, you more than
Speaker 1: anyone else because you actually do it, but we all
Speaker 1: end up in the position that she thinks she's in.
Speaker 1: She just has a little case of mistaken identity, that's all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: every one of us, me, Isabel, Alec, you, Magnus. We
Speaker 1: all end up in a position multiple times where we
Speaker 1: try and take the shot that Jocelyn is trying to
Speaker 1: take and on that giant cliffhanger. I think that draws
Speaker 1: us to the end of our show. It does. It
Speaker 1: brings us to the end of the episode of we
Speaker 1: finally have found Jason, and then because of Jocelyn, you
Speaker 1: all have to jump through a portal again and we're
Speaker 1: here and it's you know, it's this this dichotomy that
Speaker 1: back and forth. All we wanted was Jocelyn back season one,
Speaker 1: but the kind of stuck for me at least she
Speaker 1: turns out to be the worst. Okay, Mom, I love you.
Speaker 1: Oh you're gonna shoot me all right, sick. I guess
Speaker 1: I'll jump in a portal with evil Dad. Now back
Speaker 1: to the fucking boat. If she only knew where where
Speaker 1: I was going back to that boat, God damn it. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Thank you to you cat for getting up nice and
Speaker 1: early in l A. I'm in Italy, so it's you're
Speaker 1: in New Mexico. That's right. Congratulations, you're in the middle
Speaker 1: of everything. How's it going. It's going well. We start
Speaker 1: shooting Tuesday and pre production fittings, etcetera, etcetera. It's it's all.
Speaker 1: The horses have been really fun, though. I have I
Speaker 1: have a horse that I've been training with specifically this season,
Speaker 1: and his name is Joe, and he's very sweet but
Speaker 1: very sassy. Um. I don't know specifically, but he's a
Speaker 1: beautiful sort of tan blonde horse with the most gorgeous
Speaker 1: bright main and he's a he's a sweetheart. He's a
Speaker 1: good boy. Amazing, amazing. Well, love to you and Joe
Speaker 1: and to our production team. Thank you guys so much
Speaker 1: for getting our preps done and for getting up nice
Speaker 1: and early, and because you guys. I don't know if
Speaker 1: the listeners know, but they are here with us through
Speaker 1: these They don't just let us do our own thing
Speaker 1: because we're not to be trusted, so they are here
Speaker 1: with us throughout this. So they are there with us
Speaker 1: at seven am on on a Saturday morning. So thank
Speaker 1: you very much being with us, and of course thank
Speaker 1: you to everyone who listens. Welcome back, Welcome to season two.
Speaker 1: You're enjoying it. We've got plenty more to talk about,
Speaker 1: so make sure you tune in. Absolutely. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for coming back into the Fray and we'll see
Speaker 1: you next time. Returned to the Shadows is hosted an
Speaker 1: executive produced by Me, Katherine McNamara and Dominic Sherwood. Our
Speaker 1: executive producer is Lingley. Our senior producers are Liz Hayes
Speaker 1: and Diego Tapia. Our producers are Hannah Harris and Kristin Vermilia,
Speaker 1: and our intern is Sam Katz. Original music by Alex
Speaker 1: Kinsey and performed by Alex Kinsey and Katherine McNamara