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Speaker 1: Campus in Barrie, Ohio. This is Cleveland Brown's Daily on

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Speaker 1: esp in Cleveland. Here are your hosts, Bo Bishop and

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Speaker 1: Nathan Ziggurats for the program. Welcome in Clean Brown Daily.

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Speaker 1: Merely bow with a great z dude. How about that

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Speaker 1: we get Enick, Yeah, Enick in studio to open the studio,

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Speaker 1: and then right before we start you hit me with

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Speaker 1: a haymaker. I did. We'll discuss later. Listen, what's the

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Speaker 1: wild world we live in? And I'll tell you something.

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Speaker 1: We went into this thing yesterday. I know you and

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Speaker 1: I we have talked about a lot of people really

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Speaker 1: around the around the league, around the sporting world. Are

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Speaker 1: you doing a real football show right now? And I

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Speaker 1: have these issues. I'm trying, I'm pulling, I'm ignoring, redirecting. Fine,

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Speaker 1: do a real football show. See if I care. How

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Speaker 1: entertaining was that last night? That was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: Every alright? This is what I did with the boys. Um,

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Speaker 1: so I owe them money because what happens is well,

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Speaker 1: not really but sort of. They have their money that

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Speaker 1: I give them. It's more like a redistributed redistribution. You

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Speaker 1: could I could like to think of myself as Robin Hood.

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Speaker 1: Um but where I just But anyway, so over the

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Speaker 1: course of youth sports, I've had to pay to get

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Speaker 1: into various venues, you know, like eight ten bucks to

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Speaker 1: Who does? And they always only take This guy's always

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Speaker 1: got some cash. He's an old school guy. Nut like

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Speaker 1: seen people have that to throw it on the table.

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Speaker 1: Did you have a lot? See look at it? Look

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Speaker 1: at it, man, that's heavy. Look at that. You have

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Speaker 1: a receipt in here. He's even got a receipt from

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Speaker 1: the last golf the last golf out. He's got a

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Speaker 1: golfer season there. They're living his best life. Um So, anyway,

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Speaker 1: I go steal their money. It's what he's saying right now.

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Speaker 1: Um So, anyway, it came time last night with the

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Speaker 1: So I would say, I bet you five bucks, Trayvon

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Speaker 1: be okay. Five bucks boom boom. Was this also just

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Speaker 1: based off of your genius or the fact that picks

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Speaker 1: He's he's now forty bucks in the level now because

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Speaker 1: power through, fueled by pilot fuel right through. I really was,

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Speaker 1: And so just kept nailing him. It got the point

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Speaker 1: I didn't think I would be into it The reality

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Speaker 1: the way through the first stretch, where like five out

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Speaker 1: got Hollywood. The Cardinals got Pick one hundred and Hollywood

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Speaker 1: kid coming out. There were eight five star high school

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Speaker 1: tells you how good we are at identifying talent. That's

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Speaker 1: incredibly good. And it's also Georgia must be good at

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Speaker 1: identifying talent. Five defensive players from Georgia were drafted in

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Speaker 1: the first round. That's how you win a national championship

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Speaker 1: with the walk on quarterback. And that's more than I

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Speaker 1: think the Big Twelve. Then the Big Twelve had players drafted.

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Speaker 1: three five star players on their team. It's amazing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: ever be picked at number twenty. Ever, that's wild, never

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Speaker 1: been a quarterback pick. How about all three receivers developed

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Speaker 1: That's pretty pretty good from our perspective. I think things

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Speaker 1: actually fell pretty well. If you're the Cleveland Browns. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I thought the Bravens had a good draft. I I

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Speaker 1: really like it. You probably know more about than I do.

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Speaker 1: But just from talking to a lot of people who

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Speaker 1: watch every single Michigan game, they really think that da

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Speaker 1: Dax Hill says the safety the kid the Bengals is

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Speaker 1: think he's kind of insurance for Jesse Bates. Like now

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Speaker 1: now they've got a guy ready for that. And he's

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Speaker 1: a nice player. But Honey Badger was like a Heisman

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Speaker 1: I think they crushed it. They wanted supposedly the kid

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Speaker 1: big detent thirteen Jordan Davis. Jordan Davis. But I think

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Speaker 1: but they still pivot, they get Kyle Hal Hamilton's, Who's

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Speaker 1: four like if you watched him play, he's fine. And

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Speaker 1: Some crazy things like the idea that the Packers didn't

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Speaker 1: else thought that it was as crazy as I did.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was completely nuts, and that Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: I know he wasn't. I Simon McAfee and he wasn't.

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Speaker 1: But it was like, of course he is. He can't

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Speaker 1: be happy about I mean, I thought that was pretty stunning.

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Speaker 1: He was negligent, like you just don't draft receiver ever. Also,

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Speaker 1: I think we got one of the greatest moments ever

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Speaker 1: last night, which was the live reaction of less sneed

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Speaker 1: and a clearly having a good time. Sean McVeigh to

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Speaker 1: mc a end five? And he's tequilas? Has it stopped

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Speaker 1: any They have now produced the two greatest videos of

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Speaker 1: this NFL start to this season, the one about how

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Speaker 1: they were going to steal the draft, which was basically

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Speaker 1: a movie starring people of some great actors, and then

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Speaker 1: they have this where it's like we thought we were

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Speaker 1: chattanoogath of them are having a good time. Oh my god, Well,

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Speaker 1: when you're the champ, it's good. I guess it's good

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Speaker 1: catch all the action of day two of draft tonight,

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Speaker 1: starting at seven the Browns Draft Show presented by Bud Light,

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Speaker 1: With that, we head on the hotline for a man

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Speaker 1: Do we have his music? I mean, I'm sure we do.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I say. Here's what I would say, though, Nick,

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Speaker 1: He's coming out a spotlight on him. Ms. Here's the question, though,

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Speaker 1: show up. There's one table left in downtown Cleveland, cleveland

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Speaker 1: I mean, the voice is gold This guy has a

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Speaker 1: no problem with that. I'll tag right on a log

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Speaker 1: just hanging out with you. Yes, I apologize for that.

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Speaker 1: The guy not only is he, as you pointed out

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Speaker 1: go on and on. Not fantasy football champion. That's the

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Speaker 1: I mean, now, you did say a couple of other

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Speaker 1: They want to build this fan base up. I mean,

424
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 1: they are defending raining champions, but I still think they

425
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 1: need to get that band Baise going. You know what

426
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: I mean, Like when you come to l A, everyone's

427
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 1: every different team because everyone's from everywhere. Yeah, we don't

428
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 1: have any danger of losing you do we it feels

429
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 1: like you kind of at all you can kind I

430
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Speaker 1: love the ram they used to be the Cleveland Rams McVeigh.

431
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 1: I love the Rams, and I love John McVeigh. But

432
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but Cleveland's always number one and always will

433
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 1: be number one. That's right. I gotta tell you. That

434
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 1: video thing they put together, you know what, it reminded

435
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: me of the Marine Franchise. I felt like that was

436
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 1: you were looking at like three minutes right out of

437
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,439
Speaker 1: the Marine Franchise, starring maybe the greatest action hero of

438
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 1: all time. Should have got an asker for those movies.

439
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: But you know, they really seems that ghost boast frantically

440
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: going to the Google machine. There's Marine two, three, four, five,

441
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: didn't did I miss any of them? They're all over

442
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:17,439
Speaker 1: the place. Six yeah, six. He's a star. He's an

443
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 1: absolute star on the silver screen. This is just a

444
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: good business. This is great business. It's a franchise. He's

445
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: the face of a franchise. Multiple Actually, now he's the

446
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 1: face of missing misses. He's the face of w W E.

447
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:35,640
Speaker 1: Quite frankly, he's the face of networks. You're not gonna

448
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: want to miss thats why did you not show up

449
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: and tell the third because the first two we need

450
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 1: to we need to get things going here. And then

451
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: they brought in they said we need to. I can

452
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 1: see now are of real consequence? Marine three, four, five

453
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 1: and six is where it really took off. Yeah, you're

454
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: talking about the marine when I was talking about miss

455
00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: and misses and sorry USA, now work like I get

456
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 1: to where like you want to talk about the marine.

457
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: But look, miss and mrs come back? What was the

458
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: season three incredible ten brand new episodes. It's gonna be awesome.

459
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: Is your dad in it? Of course of course he is.

460
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 1: You know who else is there in? According to him,

461
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: he's the star. He is the miss and missing missus.

462
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: I's gonna ask you how's his How's how's the ego

463
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 1: on that guy? I've been him the event that Nathan

464
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 1: went to that he saw him. Man, I guarantee my

465
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 1: dad was taking pictures and just hey, oh you want

466
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Speaker 1: a picture. Oh you want a picture. Of course you

467
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Speaker 1: want to here, you go take a picture. He had

468
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: a crew, he had to add an entourage, he had Yeah,

469
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: he had four prime seats. Of course he did. He's there.

470
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: But let's go back to miss and mrs right now.

471
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: Quite an accomplishment, honestly, and I'm not saying this is

472
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: because I love you, but it is true. To have

473
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 1: this many seasons of a reality show is a very

474
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Speaker 1: impressive thing because it's not a show with an for

475
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: changing cast. It is you, guys. It's a look at

476
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: your life, and it's one of those things that when

477
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: people watch it and they may say, oh on TV,

478
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: I thought, w W, this guy is a real crud.

479
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: He really can be a jerk sometimes, and then you

480
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: see the reality of it is that you're just a

481
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 1: wonderful human being. And so I think that's one of

482
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 1: the things that's fun about it. Your family, your beautiful family,

483
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: the two girls grown up. It's incredible. And you know,

484
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: this is a spoiler. I don't know if I'm allowed

485
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Speaker 1: to say. He might yell at me, he might text

486
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Speaker 1: me after this. How can you say that? But there's

487
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 1: a new addition to the family who might even get

488
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Speaker 1: some run. I've seen him on social the Wolf of

489
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Speaker 1: Zan And have you seen this dog, bo Bishop. This

490
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Speaker 1: dog is an absolute beast, YEA. Honestly, we call him

491
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Speaker 1: wolf because I mean he looks like a wolf. He's

492
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Speaker 1: a German shepherd and he has trained like a highly

493
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Speaker 1: trained like canine, and uh, we got him from this

494
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Speaker 1: place called Gold Close Canine, and I just wanted something

495
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Speaker 1: for a protection. I've got two beautiful daughters that not

496
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Speaker 1: only is he wonderful with the girls, but he's a

497
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Speaker 1: safety precaution, like you know, like whenever I leave or gone,

498
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: I know my my family is going to be safe

499
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: because that dog does not allow anyone on its surf. Dude,

500
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: there's a video he's you're holding like a bite I

501
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: don't even know, like a big red almost not it's

502
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: not a pillows, it's much sturdier than that. But he's

503
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: holding for the dog to sprint at and then that's

504
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: what it goes on too. And you could just tell

505
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: Mike is a very strong individual. I was so at

506
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: Gold Coast Canine. They teach him, like, you know, how

507
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 1: to attack people, right, and so they have these like

508
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: kind of really strong toys that you can tell the

509
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: dog to stay down, like you know, stay stay, and

510
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: then when you tell him to go, it just goes

511
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: on towards you. And watching that dog run towards me

512
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,479
Speaker 1: and literally grip onto this this toy, I literally was like,

513
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: I I don't even know if I could like and

514
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: he pulled the thing away from me, like I'm a

515
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: strong guy, but this dog ug is intimidating. It's probably

516
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: what Kenny Pickett's gonna feel like when he sees Myles

517
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: Garrett coming around the corner. I don't even know if

518
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 1: he's gonna be able to hold the ball with those

519
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: hands on that note perfectly playing good luck tonight, buddy. Yes,

520
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna crush it, dude. Oh, they're to play out

521
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: music and listen, they played the music after you win.

522
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 1: There you go, there, you go, alright there, love your brother,

523
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 1: crush it. Thanks, guys man, that is the great miss

524
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: What a human I was, Floorida. I could have done

525
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,479
Speaker 1: twenty minutes on the marine franchise. I was. I was at.

526
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: I was at the world premiere of one of them.

527
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: Happy to say, where was it? San Jose, California? Perfect

528
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: your homeland? Yeah? Near, very close, very very close. All right.

529
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Speaker 1: We'll get into the winners and losers from round one

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548
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Speaker 1: and losers. So you guys were on the show, so

549
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: obviously you weren't able to watch the coverage because you

550
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: were producing content. Yes, so I am a loyal Keiper.

551
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: That's my guy. I want to see him NL okay,

552
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: so as I'm watching, Uh so it's it's Greeny Riddick

553
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: Bogger keeper, your skepticism is warranted. Um, Keiper's offset because

554
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: no COVID vacs's offset. He's in his own home. He's

555
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: like Baltimore or whatever, not even there, Um because he's

556
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: not vaxed. So he's there, all right. They could Greenberg

557
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: could not keep up with the picks and the news.

558
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: He was trying to service every an opinion on everybody,

559
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: and all you really wanted was Lewis on how this

560
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: fits in a roster? And Keiper most especial. You needed

561
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: Kyper after every pick. Here's what they're getting. They did.

562
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: There was no Schefter, no more like it was those

563
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: three guys and no super No, no Scheid is graduating

564
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: from college. Yeah, so they didn't do that, so they

565
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: did it this way. They couldn't get to Kyper a

566
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: lot of times because Booker would take so long, I

567
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: have no idea, And then they were they could not

568
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: get the information like the trades would be happening, and

569
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: they couldn't keep up. The NFL was We weren't listening

570
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: to it, but we were watching it and it was excellent.

571
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: Who was who was on? Was it? So it was

572
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: Rich and who else? Who was it was? Eisen Jeremiah, Jeremiah,

573
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: David Shaw, David Shaw, who I don't know when he

574
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: coaches Stanford, but he's and was it was it Charles, Yeah,

575
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: so it was it was Jeremiah, Charles Davis, David Shaw,

576
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: Rich Eyes, and satellite was Klatt and Kurt Warner. Yeah,

577
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: so class's really good. I don't know what Warner knows

578
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: anything about the college kids, but Clatt definitely does about

579
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks. Warner was Warner was solid last night. Yeah,

580
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: they it was. It was they couldn't keep up the

581
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: trades were happening. At one point, Greenberg says, there he's

582
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: trying to explain the A. J. Brown trade and he's

583
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: spread so thin, like he does the get Up show,

584
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: he does the NBA show, and now he's doing this.

585
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: There's no way you could keep all this sorted out.

586
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: And he was talking about how um that he goes Now,

587
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,479
Speaker 1: obviously they're only doing this trade because of the contract

588
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: co sending for A. J. Brown. It's like, well, yes,

589
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: everybody knows that that deal was consummated five minutes ago.

590
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: They were just late to it. My question to you again,

591
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: and I will go back to it, what was at

592
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: least in the mind of whoever decided that we needed

593
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: Booger McFarland there. What was his role to be? He's

594
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: not studying these guys. I would think that if you

595
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: go back to their old model of Boomer, Mel Gruden

596
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: and like Steve Young, they just always had those type

597
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: of guys in the mix. But I don't know how

598
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: to answer your question. Why would Booger be elevated all

599
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: the way to that? I have no idea. Why not

600
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: have McShay on set? He was nowhere, so apparently he

601
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: was doing the ABC because they simulcast, so apparently he

602
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: was on the ABC, which is like a college game

603
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: day feel of it. But he can't do it. But

604
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: herbs she was out with the blood clot thing. Um,

605
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: so they think that Jesse Palmer, Yeah, you know, which

606
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: is good. I always think it makes most sense to

607
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: if the college guys do it anyway. They've seen all

608
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: these guys, they've studied them all. So unless you're Kyper McShay, Jeremiah,

609
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: that's your job. I'd rather have the college guys in

610
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: the NFL experts, right, And so I don't know what.

611
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: I don't know why they needed And that's where NFL network,

612
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: you know, say, we wanted to about a rap sheet,

613
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: but they would go to him for every breaking trade.

614
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: We're going right to and he was ready to go.

615
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: They put all that on Greenberg on ESPN. Yeah, that

616
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: nobody can and delivered. He was you could tell you

617
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: a traffic cop it. I mean he was. He was

618
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: trying to traffic cop direct and he was trying to

619
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: get his two cents in and also get there's too much.

620
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: There's too much, absolutely much. Um So tonight I'll give

621
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: the NFL tonight. He was, we're not having Keiper on set.

622
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know it's weird because he's my guy.

623
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Speaker 1: You love, you love the pipes. Um all right. Biggest

624
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: winners from night one. It starts with the Jets, doesn't it,

625
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: no doubt. They got three top fifteen talents, and I

626
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: thought it was an incredible job by them. I love

627
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: you know, Sauce Gardner, elite corner. Get that for the defense,

628
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: and get Garrett Wilson like that just alone would have

629
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: been great. And then third Jamaine Johnson on top of it.

630
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,240
Speaker 1: It feels like a really good draft. And they also

631
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: get not that he's a draft pick, but they signed

632
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: Carl Lawson, who we certainly were enamored with in that

633
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: free agency process. He never played it down for them.

634
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Speaker 1: So they're adding those four alone to that roster. Yeah,

635
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: more power in the a f C. Yeah, they're a

636
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: team right now that I bet after that draft they're

637
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: thinking why not? Like, aren't we that scared of the Patriots?

638
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: Are we that scared of the Dolphins? You know you

639
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: have the Bills are good, but maybe we can make

640
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: a run at them. I don't know. Yeah, No, I

641
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: thought they had a great draft. Um, I thought the

642
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: Lions had a really nice draft. Jamison Williams. Jamison Williams.

643
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 1: I mean, Hutchinson was most people's consensus number one player

644
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: in this draft. So you get him at two and

645
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,439
Speaker 1: then you get, if healthy, Jamison Williams is the number

646
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: one receiver in this draft. And you gave up to

647
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: move twenty picks. You gave up I think a third

648
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: is all you did to move up twenty picks. I

649
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: don't understand that. I don't either. I have no idea

650
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: what that's our guys conference with our guy, because I'm

651
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: sure he would have the reason why they did that.

652
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: But that's such a minimal give to go up to

653
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: get a blue blue chip like we had Glenn On yesterday.

654
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: We were talking with him and it felt like, you know,

655
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 1: one through fifteen and then it starts to even out.

656
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: But one through fifteen were dudes. Jamison Williams is a dude.

657
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 1: The Lions got two of the fifteen best players in

658
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: this draft. They certainly did. By the way this is

659
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 1: coming out, Ian Rappaport just reported this a few minutes

660
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: ago that on McAfee show that Treylon Burke's was the

661
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: receiver that Aaron Rodgers wanted the most and it the

662
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: most research on. He goes at pick eighteen. The Packers

663
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: first pick obviously was at twenty two, and so they

664
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: don't get him. Interesting. I'm sure he's very um again,

665
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,479
Speaker 1: not pleased, not pleased. It was strange yesterday too because

666
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: he also said how um uh, he said how he

667
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: was surprised by the Davante Adams, but yes, he already

668
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: said he knew. So I don't understand what game he's

669
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: trying to play there. I don't understand it. Strange. This

670
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: is a great note from Mel Kuyper Jr. First time

671
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: in the common era draft since nineteen sixty seven, that

672
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: a running back and a tight end we're both I'm

673
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: gonna work on his warding. Let me just say this

674
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: in a better way of using English. This is the

675
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: first time the common draft here that neither a running

676
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: back nor a tight end were selected in round one.

677
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: I asked the question this warning on the on the

678
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: running back the last time a running back didn't go

679
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: in the first round, and they really I mean, they

680
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: were talking a little bit about Bruce Hall late in

681
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: the first but nothing ever picked up. Going back to

682
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: our conversation about wide receivers and quarterbacks, Chris Sims, I

683
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: thought it had a great tweet early this morning, kind

684
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: of baffling how these qbs and wide receivers seemingly don't

685
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: communicate with each other. Yeah, I agree. I think it's

686
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: a bunch of nonsense. I think they know, like the

687
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: idea that that Lamar didn't know that that they were

688
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,919
Speaker 1: trading Hollywood Brown when they're best friends at Hollywood Brown

689
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 1: saying today in Arizona, their last night in Arizona, that

690
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: he that he knew that he had requested a trade, Like,

691
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: why would you act like it was a surprise, But

692
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: how did he get there already? He maybe's training out

693
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 1: there already, he had a draft if he was drafted

694
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: by them. Yeah. I think one of the most interesting

695
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: things that's happened in the NFL is what if you

696
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: think about the NFL and the group think right copycat

697
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 1: league so forever it was, if you draft a quarterback, well,

698
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to conform to our system, so we're

699
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 1: gonna put them under center. Michael Vick's the best example

700
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: put him under center is to play the West Coast offense.

701
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: The fact that nobody took Michael Vick put him in

702
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: the shotgun and said r p O, let's go is insane. Okay,

703
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: but that's how the league used to be run. The

704
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 1: same is true it running back. You just pick running

705
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: backs really high. We've picked some running backs really high.

706
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: You don't do that anymore. No, you don't force quarterbacks

707
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: to be something they're not anymore. At receiver, I feel

708
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: like they're right now. There is no groupthink. But it

709
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: feels like there are teams that drafted receivers to the

710
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: point of it's time to pay them, and then they're

711
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 1: getting off of them to replace them immediately, and yet

712
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: the team that is acquiring them is also feeling like

713
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: they at the lottery. So it's like, which is it.

714
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: It feels like every tile apparently it is. Every time

715
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: one of these deals happens, it feels like both sides

716
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 1: feel like they won. Well, yeah, because once I've got

717
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: an absolutely proven commodity for a theoretical asset and the

718
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: other side got more theoretical assets that they've then turned

719
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: into a receiver that they hope will one day be

720
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: a proven commodity. I think it started with I'm sure

721
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 1: it's probably goes back for them this but the most

722
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: recent example where it was just a blatant we're trading

723
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: receiver and then drafting receiver, it was trading Stefon Diggs

724
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: by the Vikings and then they draft Justin Jefferson. Everybody's like, wait,

725
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 1: that seemed really easy. Now I'm getting the same production,

726
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 1: if not better in the case of Jefferson for million

727
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: dollars under value. So my question, I guess what I

728
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: think is interesting is why aren't more teams viewing at

729
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: through the Vikings prism rather than the Bills prism? Because

730
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: I think a lot of them are though, but some

731
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: of them aren't. And that's the thing. I Usually there's

732
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: a group think it's split, are thrilled and they could

733
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: have just picked you get that kind of truth serum

734
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: from them. But yes, if there were a serum that

735
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: made you tell the truth, I feel like they would, right,

736
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: You'd rather have Jefferson, Yeah, and having to pay digs.

737
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: The same thing with you know, with if Philly last

738
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: night with that deal and I liked the deal A J.

739
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: Brown's stud I love the deal. And I also think

740
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: what's happening is a lot of these teams that are

741
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:05,240
Speaker 1: drafting or trading for these receivers are either to play

742
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: kate a current quarterback, or lift a quarterback. So the

743
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: thinking is, if you're Philly, is trail On Burke's going

744
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: to elevate Jalen Hurts as much as A J. Brown? No, clearly,

745
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: not not right away. He may develop into it. And

746
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: then the other one in Arizona. Clearly Kyler wanted his

747
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: boy Yea, so let's play Kate. But going back to

748
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: the A J. Brown, doesn't that also make a J.

749
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: Brown being there makes it more attractive? A J. Brown

750
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: and DeVante Smith those are their top two receivers. Now, No, no,

751
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: I know I'm saying that makes it more attractive, not

752
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: but for Lamar to say that's where I want to go.

753
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: I want to go there. Yeah, I thought the Giants

754
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: getting Thibodeau at number five was a huge pick. I

755
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: thought that that was a big standout. Um Watson or

756
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: Washington getting Dotson at sixteen, I thought it was a

757
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: little bit of a reach maybe, but like that's everybody

758
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 1: got nervous because he would have thought, but I really

759
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 1: like him. It's good to draft. Is Baltimore had, maybe

760
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: not who's playing a wide receiver for the Ravens. Come

761
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 1: on down, Well, they have Bateman, they have Bateman, They've

762
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: got Devin do Mark Andrews. I mean, is Bateman is

763
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: study without Brown? I think I think they think he

764
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,919
Speaker 1: can be the number one guy. Yeah, and I don't

765
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 1: know that Brown. I think, like that's why I was

766
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 1: blown away by what they gave up to get Brown

767
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: versus what the Titans got. Philly like to me, like

768
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:43,280
Speaker 1: Philly crushed it well. And the thing is, if you're them,

769
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: you know, could you have drafted somebody now it would

770
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: have been at this point Watson or it could have

771
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: been Um sky Moore, who's very different than other Brown.

772
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:51,959
Speaker 1: But you kind of think about what they've got. Now

773
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: you've got the vertical guy in Hollywood Brown who's going

774
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: to open everything up for intermediate guy DeAndre Hopkins. And

775
00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: then you have ron Dale Moore, who is going to

776
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: be a distant third in terms of what people are

777
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: thinking about, right, and don't they still also have a J. Green? Yeah?

778
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: So and zach Ertz. It's an interesting offense. It is.

779
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: It's going to create space. What he's there to do

780
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: is create space. Last year, who created space for that team? Nobody.

781
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: He's gonna create space for Hopkins. He's gonna create space

782
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: for Rondale Moore. Rondell Moore wasn't a vertical guy. But

783
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: now if all of a sudden, Rondale Moore has catching

784
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: the ball in space five yards seven yards down the field,

785
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: that's where he's dangerous. That's where he can catch and run.

786
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: I don't mind that. On turf. I think he's gonna

787
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: be fair. I'm I like Hollywood Brown more than I

788
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: think you do, obviously, and and doing the show with

789
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: mo Pedmant's cousin last night. He's not on him. I've

790
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: been on the sidelines watching him and you see the

791
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 1: impact he has on a game because of his speed,

792
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: Like there's no doubt the guy can flat out fly.

793
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: Defense is respected, respect, no question, no question. I just

794
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: like a J. Brown a little more. Uh yeah yeah,

795
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: So that's uh from a from a loser's standpoint. I mean,

796
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: you hate even saying this. I don't know. I was

797
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 1: floored that the Steelers took Picket. I really was. And

798
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: I was listening to Tomlin last night and he goes,

799
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: you know, we thought he had the highest floor, and

800
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 1: I was thought, God, that's not what you want, is

801
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: that we think it's In other words, Ak is the

802
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: safest pick. What's different about him than Dalton? Yeah, Mitt

803
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 1: Tropisky I thought was daltonny with a little more athleticism

804
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: but less accuracy. Pick. It's a pretty accurate thrower, he is,

805
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,919
Speaker 1: but he's not like he certainly doesn't have a hose. No.

806
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: And I, you know, here's the deal, and I'll acknowledge

807
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: like I blew Josh Allen blew it. I thought for

808
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: sure that accuracy something though that nobody else is ever true.

809
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: But I didn't see it. I did not see it.

810
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: So I you know, I get these things wrong a

811
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 1: lot um. I wasn't convinced on Herbert. But in both

812
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: of those examples, what I did know is that the

813
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: armed talent was elite. You knew they could whip it right.

814
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: They had something, they had, elite traite, sure that others

815
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: in the draft either didn't have or couldn't match and

816
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 1: would Pickett. I don't see an elite trait, So when

817
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: you think about it, felt like they tried to They

818
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: tried to force it almost. That's why I thought, why not.

819
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: Just sitting in Pittsburgh radio leading up to yesterday, there

820
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: were numerous reports that were saying, like, the Steelers are

821
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 1: hoping someone else takes Kenny Pickett because if he's on

822
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: the board, they're probably gonna be forced into this pick.

823
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: Why is it like the ship the ghosts of Dan Marino.

824
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, like they regretted that only forever, Like

825
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: I mean, is that that's I feel like you couldn't

826
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: allow that. I think for us, it feels like his ceiling,

827
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: even if he reaches, it would keep him as still

828
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: being the fourth best quarterback in this division, which I

829
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: think is a Browns fan is a wonderful thing to

830
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: say at about the Steler's quarterback, which is not something

831
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: we have said for basically the entirety of Ben Roethlisberger's career. Same. Yeah,

832
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: well that's what Tomlin said. Congratulations that the fourth read best.

833
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 1: But he said, he goes, look at this guy, we

834
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: thought he had the the highest floor. I've just never

835
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: heard that with the first round pick. Yeah, I think

836
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: he has the highest fool Others we think he's safe.

837
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: We're not that excited about him, but we know he's

838
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 1: not going to be a zero. But the bottom line

839
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: is Tomlin also goes. We spent the entire time camvasing

840
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: the entire country, visiting all these quarterbacks, and we ended

841
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 1: up with the guy across the street. He said that too,

842
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: like you could tell he wasn't thrilled. It was interesting.

843
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: I saw some things from some Pittsburgh people that now

844
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: they were taking themselves into it. But then I saw

845
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,959
Speaker 1: a lot of people who were saying that Tomlin's gotta go. Well,

846
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: they say that every year he's never had a losing

847
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: scene is stunning. He's either loved there or he is hated.

848
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: And it's about fifty fifty it is. I just don't

849
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: get it. Hard to get Yeah, my friend, all right,

850
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: coming up at the top of the hour, it is

851
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: time to pay attention to what we are going to

852
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: do and what we will be looking for at forty

853
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: four and in the third round as well. Matt Waldman

854
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: will join us. Dane Brugler really loaded up here in

855
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: the final hour, getting you set for rounds two and

856
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Speaker 1: three of the NFL Draft. Tonight you listen to Cleveland

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Speaker 1: S p N Cleveland. Here's a remarkable stat from Day

859
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Speaker 1: one of the NFL Draft. I think we would all

860
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: say that the University of Texas is a pretty big

861
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 1: college football program. They have they have not had a

862
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,720
Speaker 1: first round pick on the offensive side of the ball

863
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: since Vince Young in two thousands six. Well, then I

864
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: would say they're not a big program. They become a

865
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: museum program and we didn't even know it. We do. Now,

866
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: that's crazy. Wrap your head around that. All that talent

867
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: the pretty soon, pretty soon, Texas, it's gonna have an

868
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: Instagram page. They go, Hey, this is me tex You

869
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: know me from Vince Young. He's got a mooch in.

870
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871
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Speaker 1: Godfather music underneath. Remember me when I was in uh

872
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: the wedding thing that was Vince Young. I didn't remember that.

873
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: Also didn't remember him as Jingo Banan though and uh

874
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: in the Godfather, he's dodging you, though he has dodging me.

875
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: He won't return him. He didn't turn my message. It's

876
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: the second most it's gonna I'll get it rect I'll

877
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: get it sorted out. I'll get it sorted out. By

878
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 1: the way. Another note, interesting Carolina last night taking that

879
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: offensive lineman from NC State. I had to do a

880
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: little homework. Ken sent me to one of the lead

881
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: draft researchers for CBS Sports who said it was the

882
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: first ever player from NC State to go to Carolina.

883
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: The entertaining will Brinson, one of the lead draft researchers.

884
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: I believe that just happened. Tell him, send him that

885
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: clip so we can add that to his resume. I mean,

886
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: he is an amazing individual, but like he he is

887
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: the one that was. Caroline has never taken an NC

888
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: State kid, No, never, and the others in Raleigh so

889
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,280
Speaker 1: have they not taking and they taking anybody from North Carolina.

890
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: I don't have an answer right now. State isn't necessarily

891
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 1: like football factory. They got Mario Williams, get Tory Holt,

892
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: They've got a few guys here and there, but like

893
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: seven seven rounds, there's But maybe it's just because maybe

894
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: if we were doing a show in North I know

895
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: where you're going. But I'm gonna tell you Burrows st

896
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: James is not. Burrow is not. Burrow did not play

897
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: at Ohio State and then lit up L s U

898
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,479
Speaker 1: and developed into who he was at L s U.

899
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:22,280
Speaker 1: Jamison Williams was developed at Ohio State, played one season

900
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: at Bama. But he played for Ohio State and was good. No,

901
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: he did, but they also chose for they chose. They

902
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: told him he wanted to play baseball, they said no,

903
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: and he was not considered a prospect in any way

904
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: until he went to Wisconsin. That's what changed it. That's

905
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: what clemated him. But that's that's the difference, even a

906
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: big difference, even with the Borough Williams. The tremendous difference

907
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: to me between the two. But people still, many of

908
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: us have sided Joe Burrows and linked him to Ohio.

909
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: I don't ever, I mean, I don't know. I always

910
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: think of him as L s US Joe Burrow, you know,

911
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: but I also thinks, I know, I think I hope

912
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 1: I playing that properly that versus Williams and in borrow,

913
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: very very different rust like you could at least say

914
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Speaker 1: I like to watch some russ NC say Kims they exist,

915
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: they do. And he played there for I want to

916
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: say he was a three year starter there. I think

917
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: he played as a true freshman there, so he did

918
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: play a lot. He followed Glennon or proceed Glennon. No,

919
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 1: Glennon was the reason he left, because they were They've

920
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: chose to play Glennon over him. Odd decisions all around,

921
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: Odd decisions all the way around. Um, no odd decision here.

922
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935
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Speaker 1: we sit at forty four. We've kind of outlaid this

936
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: over the last kind of a couple of weeks, kind

937
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 1: of where we think this thing could go. Um, I'll

938
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: give you three choices. You give me most likely to

939
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: least and acknowledging that this will all depend on the board.

940
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:30,399
Speaker 1: So this is operation futility receiver, d end trade back.

941
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: Those are three choices most likely to least, acknowledging that

942
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: we don't know the board is gonna end trade back receiver.

943
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: And the reasoning is, I don't believe the receivers that

944
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: we like enough to take at forty four versus what

945
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: would be available in the third round will be there.

946
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: Now you didn't, let's trade up. I didn't because that

947
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: for the reason you just laid out. But you might

948
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: if you were, if that's what you would, if that's

949
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: what we really coveted it, I think it would necessitate

950
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: a trade up because older than our profile right twenty

951
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: three had some drops but average twenty yards of catch.

952
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: He's six four runs a four three forty and he's

953
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 1: somebody that would number one be good in the blocking

954
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: game because of his size, but number two he would

955
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: open a lot of things up. Now that I know

956
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: that there's a belief here that Anthony Schwartz can develop

957
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: any That's why he was drafted to develop to be

958
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: a guy that helps open this offense up. I just

959
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: don't think the receivers that they really, really really would

960
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 1: covet will be there at forty four. I could be wrong.

961
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: I'd be happy to be wrong if one of those

962
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:42,800
Speaker 1: guys falls and then we'll see, because that would be

963
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: that would be interesting. What do they do if a

964
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: job Oh if Watson, Drake, Jackson, Logan Hall, and what

965
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: would they do if they were all on the board.

966
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:57,479
Speaker 1: That'll be the real tell of what they're ranking. That happened. Yeah,

967
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: And I think to the age thing, you do have

968
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: to realize we're dealing with a COVID year here, So

969
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: especially the smaller school guys you're talking about, you know,

970
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: in many instances like remember North Dakota State only played

971
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: the one game that one year because of trade lands

972
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 1: some of them did like a spring season. They played

973
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: three games in the spring. So there's there's some of

974
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 1: that that's in some of the age with some of

975
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: the small school guys as well, no doubt, And and

976
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: that's we talked with Glenn about that. We asked him

977
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 1: that question we had gonna cook on and he said,

978
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: you know, it's this year is a little bit different.

979
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: Next year might even be a little bit different. But

980
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 1: then we'll probably kind of normalize that out. But I

981
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: think it's certain positions. To receiver is a position that

982
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: does not necessarily have a huge degradation in your skills

983
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: over time relative maybe do some other positions. So if

984
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: you got a guy who's twenty three, would you rather

985
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: have a twenty one year old? Of course, guess what

986
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: two years in the league now they're twenty three, So

987
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: we'll see, but that would be interesting. But I I

988
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: go defensive end, I go wide, received, trade back, then

989
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: wide receiver, and I would put trade up and defensive

990
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: tackle below those three. I like where your head's at,

991
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: Thank you. It does feel like Watson is the one

992
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: that I mean, this isn't scores, but just from my

993
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: vantage point looking at who's available, it feels like he's

994
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: the last one that might be a cut above. And

995
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: then people like a guy more quite a bit too,

996
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 1: but very different inside receiver. And then Pickens, I just

997
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,439
Speaker 1: think there's too much. It feels like it too much,

998
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: and then there's a then there's a dip, and then

999
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: you're in the Mechi David Bell world and those guys

1000
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: I like Bell a lot. Pickens had his draft prop

1001
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 1: of you know, the over under on his position in

1002
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: the draft, I think started at like thirty three point

1003
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: five or thirty four point five and it's up to

1004
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: forty eight point five. Yeah, because significant jump, because I

1005
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: think that the consensus around the league. Now somebody's gonna

1006
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: stop his fall, and somebody may end up getting the

1007
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,720
Speaker 1: twenty one tremendous athletes, somebody made up getting an uber talent.

1008
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: But it's gonna take a very particular situation and and

1009
00:54:55,920 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to want to be that guy. If

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Speaker 1: a real approach for it. Case of each as well,

1022
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Speaker 1: starting to get I'm starting to move into that one

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Speaker 1: all right, So yesterday at this time, I asked you,

1027
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: do you think something will happen outside the draft that

1028
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: is more interesting or the draft? It turns out it

1029
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: was probably outside because it's all the trades. I mean,

1030
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 1: you had two huge blockbuster trades involving receivers that came

1031
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: out of nowhere. The Hollywood Brown thing came out of

1032
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 1: the clear blue sky. It was so fun, It's pure joy.

1033
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: I loved it. By the way to go ahead and

1034
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,280
Speaker 1: get on out of our conference to the NFC trades too.

1035
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 1: How about that? I like that? Yeah, I like that,

1036
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: which is nice? Which is nice? Which is very nice. Yeah.

1037
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: By the way, I got a tweet from Greg real quick.

1038
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna enjoy this one. No, well, more importantly,

1039
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 1: we'll talk to Matt Walman, the Rookie Scouting Portfolio joining

1040
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: us now on the hotline. Matt, thanks so much for

1041
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: taking the time. Nathan, I were talking about, you know,

1042
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: leading into this draft, we weren't sure it would have

1043
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: the interest in the intrigue, and boy were we wrong.

1044
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: Just absolutely pun stuff last night. Nine trades, uh, veteran

1045
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: receivers changing teams. As as you look up this morning

1046
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: and kind of looking at the landscape of the NFL,

1047
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: what was the headline for you? I mean, I think

1048
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: the Anthony the A. J. Brown trade was probably the

1049
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: biggest one. Is just the fact that the you know

1050
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: that with the wide receivers and the signing of Christian

1051
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: Kirk and that salary um and just kind of reaped

1052
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: things up where you saw a lot of movement, and

1053
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: the fact that Hollywood Brown left and then A. J.

1054
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 1: Brown came into Philadelphia. UM. I thought those were highlights.

1055
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: And then as far as the players getting drafted, I think,

1056
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: you know, Jordan Davis with Philadelphia, Philadelphia had themselves an

1057
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: ice draft. I thought the UM. I thought the Giants

1058
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: had an ice draft as well. And you didn't even

1059
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 1: need me jumping off the top of the steel cage

1060
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: on the myth to get the one to three. So

1061
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 1: you know, it was pretty exciting. It was excited, tremendous

1062
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: drop right, love to hear that. All right. I go

1063
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: back a few years ago, the Browns out there much

1064
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: earlier in the second round, and you told us of

1065
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: your great affinity and your great affection for Nick Chubb.

1066
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna ask you to dial up that kind

1067
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: of magic once again. I'll give you two positions here

1068
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: in the second round. Receiver and then you know, defensive

1069
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: end if you've got one, if you've got an edge,

1070
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: but I know you'll have a receiver that you really

1071
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: like for the Browns at forty four. Yeah, we'll talk

1072
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: about the receiver because that's really my position from my wheelhouse.

1073
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: So we'll say that I like this Christian Watson kid

1074
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: out of North Um. He reminds me of a play well.

1075
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: Number one, when you look at that that his frame,

1076
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: he looks like you can have another eight ten pounds

1077
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: of muscle and still be that explosive player that he

1078
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: already is that four three ische range um long, good length, tall,

1079
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: runs like a punt returner, but also can on in

1080
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: traffic with patients. And the skills that he knows are

1081
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: things that he can build on to become a better player.

1082
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: There are not things you have to strip away from

1083
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: his game and then rework. And the fact that he

1084
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,959
Speaker 1: played in a West coast offense in North Dakota State

1085
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: means that you're looking at a player who has some

1086
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: understanding of some pro concepts already incorporated into his game.

1087
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: So to me, I see a player who if Javon

1088
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: Walker or Martevis Bryant had worked out in terms of

1089
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: their maturity level to really elevate their games and sustain

1090
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 1: that elevation. I think Christian Watson has that kind of

1091
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: potential to his game, and I would love to see

1092
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns get someone like him because they I

1093
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: think he can play a couple of spots for you.

1094
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: He wouldn't be bad. And then maybe you know another

1095
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: guy I like Alec Pierce, and I think that for Cleveland,

1096
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 1: Alec Pierce is a is a nice option because you

1097
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 1: know he can block okay, and and the fact that

1098
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: you can play him tight insto the you know, and

1099
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: tight sets to the line near the tight ends are

1100
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: on the opposite side in the box where he can

1101
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: do a decent job of blocking down and at least

1102
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 1: handle himself on some quick hitting plays against linebackers or

1103
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: safeties or nickels, and then you run the play action

1104
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: off of it that forces the defense to account for

1105
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: the fact that he actually legitimately can block. He's a

1106
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 1: decent route runner. You can get a little bit more

1107
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 1: bend in his weight and be able to become a

1108
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: little bit more sudden. But he's great at attacking the ball.

1109
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: There are a lot of players in this draft, you know.

1110
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: George Pickens is a good example of a guy down

1111
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: around my area and from my alump my my area,

1112
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: who was um at the school I went to. Where

1113
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: you watch him go up and attack a ball. And

1114
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: while he makes a lot of highlight worthy plays, the

1115
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 1: problem with him is that he also puts himself in

1116
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,919
Speaker 1: position where he has to make those highlight worthy play

1117
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: and didn't really need to. And Alex Pierce is really good,

1118
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 1: like Jamaar Chase is good at it, or Justin Jefferson

1119
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 1: or Stefon Diggs, where he can jump straight up into

1120
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 1: the air and win the ball, make the defender play

1121
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 1: through him, and a lot of big, tall receivers don't

1122
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,919
Speaker 1: do that. They wind up parallel to the ground when

1123
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: they're in the air and open up their frame. And

1124
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 1: so I like Pierce is a guy that you can

1125
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: build on and look, I mean athletically, he's not far

1126
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: away from Justin Jefferson. Technically he is. I mean, Justin

1127
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: Jefferson is great, But you know, he jumps three and

1128
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: a half inches more than than Jefferson does and isn't

1129
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 1: that far out of the ballpark in terms of speed

1130
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 1: and quickness. And I think he made Desmond Ritter look

1131
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 1: a little bit better than I think Desmond Ritter actually is.

1132
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 1: So um, you know, over all, those are two guys

1133
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: that I really like, and I know folks like sky

1134
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 1: More and certainly he's a he's a compelling player. Um,

1135
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 1: there's a lot of Antonio, you know, Antonio Brown kind

1136
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 1: of comparisons. I think he's better. Um, I think he's

1137
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 1: better at the catchpoint than he is after the catch.

1138
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 1: I think it's a little overrated after the catch and

1139
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 1: a little underrated at the catch point, which is kind

1140
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 1: of the reverts of how a lot of people see him. UM.

1141
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: But I would probably prefer the bigger receivers of the two, UM,

1142
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 1: who have the upside to develop into a little bit

1143
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: more as route runners and who can give you some

1144
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 1: of that physicality in the run game that really compliments

1145
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 1: what the offense does. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, Matt,

1146
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 1: and I appreciate those comments, and I always love listening

1147
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 1: to you. I love the Martavis Bryant comparison. Remember watching

1148
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 1: him with the Steelers early in his career before unfortunately

1149
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 1: was derailed. Javon Walker. That's deep cut. I covered him

1150
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 1: in Tallahassee at Florida State. That was a deep cut.

1151
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 1: Those are two good ones. Pretty excited those guys could

1152
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 1: absolutely he was a dude ball out there. When you

1153
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 1: mentioned Pierce, one question I had for you is I

1154
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 1: got a good friend. Cleep charts a lot of the stuff,

1155
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 1: and you know, his yards after the catch per reception

1156
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 1: is not where a lot of receivers coming out that

1157
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: we've seen be successful in the NFL talking about Pierce

1158
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 1: and that maybe might be the only one knock on him,

1159
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: is that because he was running so many verticals when

1160
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 1: you watch him on tape, words you are you comfortable

1161
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 1: with his ability after the catch at the next level.

1162
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was especially good when I watched

1163
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: it on film. I thought, you know, there were a

1164
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: lot of plays where he did catch the ball over

1165
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 1: the middle, and he just didn't look as fluid athletically

1166
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 1: with the ball in his hand then he does as

1167
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 1: a route runner in vertical routes or in drills. So yeah,

1168
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 1: that's a that's the thing to keep an eye out for.

1169
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 1: But also you got to remember to um, you know,

1170
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 1: sometimes the context of those types of things can be

1171
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 1: does your quarterback lead you, you know, in stride when

1172
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 1: you're catching the ball, do you have to make certain

1173
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 1: adjustments as he's leading you into traffic? You know? Are

1174
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 1: there are there difficult situations that he has to play through?

1175
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 1: And I saw that he you know, he does catch

1176
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 1: the ball in traffic affair a bit. And and so

1177
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 1: as a result of that, I don't know if I

1178
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 1: put as much stole into that as maybe some other

1179
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 1: people do. Um, I don't think it's a liability as

1180
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: much as it is just isn't a strength, Matt. Let's

1181
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 1: say that it's a trade down. Or let's say that

1182
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 1: receiver is not addressed in the second Let's let's into

1183
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 1: the third. Who are some guys in that range that

1184
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 1: that you like, that you think would be a good

1185
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 1: fit here, Uh, some names maybe we need to pay

1186
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 1: attention to if it is the third round where we

1187
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 1: address receiver. Sure well, I mean if if you know,

1188
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people in the media communities who

1189
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 1: love Pickings as a as a second round guy. But

1190
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised to be false to the third um.

1191
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 1: And certainly the the potential is there for him to

1192
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 1: to develop in the sense that he does have the

1193
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 1: good hands, he has the potential with routes and releases.

1194
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 1: He just has a lot of little things to clean up.

1195
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 1: And if you can get past any type of the

1196
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 1: rumblings that they say about him maybe not being the

1197
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 1: most mature guy in terms of ready to work, you know,

1198
01:04:55,800 --> 01:05:00,120
Speaker 1: he could have some still have some high value for you. UM,

1199
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 1: I like McKay polk, who I think can go even later. Um.

1200
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 1: But and I'll mention one guy I love, but Maka Polk,

1201
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 1: I'll mention right away to cal Um and Mississippi State

1202
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 1: guy who gives you a nice possession receiver, good route runner,

1203
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 1: um tough at the catchpoint. But my favorite receiver probably

1204
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 1: who will be around in the third is what I

1205
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 1: would call a you know, a Steelers type wide receiver.

1206
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 1: And we're familiar with those guys who understand how to

1207
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 1: get downhill quick. They know how to um finished strong

1208
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 1: even for their if their size isn't great, they can

1209
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 1: win at the at the catch point and work over

1210
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 1: the middle. And that's Khalil Shakira out of boys these states. UM,

1211
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 1: he's a favorite of mine. I think he's a I

1212
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 1: think he has that he has some issues with clapping

1213
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 1: on the ball sometimes, which which leads to fighting targets

1214
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 1: and can you know in tight areas, but he has

1215
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 1: great tracking skills and the and the clapping on the

1216
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 1: ball is really an issue of just refining your technique.

1217
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 1: Deonte Johnson had that issue and led the league in

1218
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 1: drops one year and then last year I think he

1219
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 1: didn't have one for the first ten to twelve weeks

1220
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 1: of the season. So it's just a matter of refining

1221
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 1: your technique. And I think Shakire is the type of

1222
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 1: guy who you can use in a couple of different spots.

1223
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 1: He can win deep for you, he can make the

1224
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 1: tough plays over the middle of He's a football player,

1225
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: and I and I just I think the Browns have

1226
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 1: figured out that mentality that they want to draft and

1227
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 1: want to acquire football players, not just specialized athletes, and

1228
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: who do one thing well and then you're hoping that

1229
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 1: the rest of it all comes together. Does he remind

1230
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 1: you a little bit of Deontay in addition to just

1231
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 1: the catching, Yes, he does. He reminds me of Deonte

1232
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 1: very much. So. Um, he also reminds me of a

1233
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 1: player who was my top player in this draft, um

1234
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 1: at the wide receiver position, and that's Chris Lave. I

1235
01:06:56,480 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 1: just think he's not quite his refined version of chryslav Um.

1236
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 1: So if you know and and so if he can

1237
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 1: get to his if he can play to his upside,

1238
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 1: and I don't think he's that far away. He could

1239
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 1: be come one of your top two receivers and really

1240
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 1: like a nice one B in a prolific offense. Like

1241
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:21,919
Speaker 1: he has that capability, So his ability to track the ball,

1242
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 1: especially difficult acrobatic situations, is really strong. And the route

1243
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 1: runnings there I mean that again, these are things to

1244
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 1: build on. He has the ability to stop quickly, has

1245
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 1: ability to get into, in and out of his breaks quickly.

1246
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 1: He seems to run his own routes pretty well at

1247
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 1: this point. He works open. He's a high effort player,

1248
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 1: physical at the you know when he finishes, good pad level. UM,

1249
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 1: you know, wants to initiate contact to finish, doesn't just

1250
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 1: go out of bounds when um at the first opportunity.

1251
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 1: You know, he's he's an NFC. He's an a f

1252
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 1: C North player. Just put it that way. At least

1253
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 1: from it from a round Steelers Ravens Um perspective, and

1254
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: those three teams, you know, we all we watch more

1255
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: than anybody, no doubt. Talking with great Matt Waldman. All right, Matt,

1256
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 1: a couple of receivers that some people could think also

1257
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 1: could go in the third. And I didn't hear you

1258
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 1: mention one obviously coming off of an injury that I'm

1259
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 1: guessing had he not had, maybe he goes earlier. Maybe

1260
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:22,640
Speaker 1: you would say not. John Metchi the third out of Alabama,

1261
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 1: and then from a smaller school Jalen Tilbert out of

1262
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 1: South Alabama. Do you like either of those guys? If so, why?

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Speaker 1: If not? Why not? I like both of them. I'm

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Speaker 1: not in love with either of them, Ottobert, I have

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Speaker 1: actually ranked higher than mechi Um he's more of a

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01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 1: He's more of a you know, a short term project.

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01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 1: I would put it. You know, he's he's gotten. He

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01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 1: does a lot of the tough things, but a lot

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01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:46,800
Speaker 1: of the small details of his game. We're going to

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01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 1: need a little bit of work. But he could develop

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01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 1: into a contributor Metchi. To me, it's the catch point.

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01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 1: He he drops a lot of targets from what I

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01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 1: tracked Um, and they were the type of targets where

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Speaker 1: if they're honest frame. He had difficulty distorting and when

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01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:04,879
Speaker 1: to use the overhand position, when you use the underhand position,

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01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 1: and when they're it's type coverage in contact that can

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01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 1: be an issue. But you know, as a potential slot

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01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 1: player who can also get deep for you Um in

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01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 1: certain looks, I'd like him more as a third or

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01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 1: fourth receiver Um that people are going to try and

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01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 1: value as being a first or second guy. I just

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01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 1: don't think he's quite there. So you would be the

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01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:28,680
Speaker 1: happiest for Browns fans if they came out of today

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01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 1: with either one of Watson, Pierce or Khalil Shakur. That's

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01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 1: what I took away from me right there, those are

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01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 1: the three guys that you would want to be wearing

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01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 1: the brown and orange. Yeah, I would be that would

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01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 1: be very nice. Well, it's very nice that we can

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Speaker 1: have you on, especially on a day like this, but

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01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:45,560
Speaker 1: anytime it's a win. Matt, thank you so much of

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Speaker 1: your time, pal, Hey man, it's my pleasure. Day's great

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01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 1: analysis and dropped an elbow off the steel cage on

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01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 1: the miss perfect. A lot of wins, lots lots of

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01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 1: stacking wins there from Matt Walden of the rookie scouting portfolio,

1295
01:09:56,840 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 1: and he is on a skill position off the charts. Unbelievable. Really, listen, folks,

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01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:06,679
Speaker 1: he paid Nick Chubb being what Nick Chubb is before

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01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 1: that draft on this very program. He said, this guy

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01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 1: is the best running back in this class. He's gonna

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01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:12,639
Speaker 1: be one of the the best running backs in the NFL.

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01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 1: I think that he's incredibly special, right right right? He

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01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 1: nailed it. Brugler, who nails it too? Oh Ba's up. Next,

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01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 1: we gotta mock around second and third. He's all set,

1303
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 1: ready to go. Cleveland Browns Daily, Cleveland, Cleveland Brown's Daily

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01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 1: on ESPN Cleveland. A lot of bad advice out there

1305
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 1: about gambling, from secret methods to picking lottery numbers to

1306
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 1: betting big. When you're on a roll, the mists can

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01:10:58,000 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 1: lose your money and get you in a lot of

1308
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 1: trouble before you wager. Find out what's real and what

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01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 1: isn't to keep it fun Ohio dot com And with

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Speaker 1: that we had on the hot line for a visit there.

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01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 1: Good better Dame Brugler, the athletic. We'll get into his

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01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 1: mock round two and three mocks who he has us taking.

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01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 1: But first, Dame, as you observed round one, what stood

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01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 1: out for you? Who won? Who lost? A lot of

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01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 1: these teams with multiple first round picks, I thought it

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01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 1: really did well for themselves. And if you're gonna have

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01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:28,720
Speaker 1: multiple first round picks, you should And so you look

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01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 1: at what the Jets did going with Sauce Garden rush

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01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 1: for coming back with the playmaker, uh Garrett Wilson at ten.

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01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 1: That Wilson and Wilson connection was Zach Wilson and Garrett

1321
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 1: Wilson should be uh something that helps that sophomore quarterback.

1322
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 1: Uh in New York and then the Lions. Uh, and then,

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01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 1: excuse me, Jermaine Johnson. The Jets trade back into the

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01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 1: first round and get Jermaine Johnson, who I think they

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01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 1: wanted to take a number ten, but they chose offense,

1326
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:55,680
Speaker 1: they chose playmaker. And then when Jermaine Johnson fell to

1327
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 1: a certain point, they saw the opportunity to go get him.

1328
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 1: So the Jets absolute really Uh, they nailed what they

1329
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 1: wanted to do, and they still have a high pick tonight.

1330
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 1: So the Jets killed it. The Detroit Lions coming away

1331
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 1: with Aidan Hutchinson it too, and then trading back up

1332
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 1: for Jamison Williams getting that burner, that guy with speed

1333
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 1: that can really be special. Uh, so you have him

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01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:18,680
Speaker 1: with a monros st Brown. All of a sudden, the

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01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:22,120
Speaker 1: Lions they're they're building something on offense. Uh. The offensive

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01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 1: line looks good. T J. Hawkinson. Uh, they brought the

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01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 1: lock up. You drop a quarterback in there, and next

1338
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 1: year's draft the C. J. Stroud, you know whoever, And

1339
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the Lions are are looking pretty good. Uh.

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01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 1: Saints Crystal Lave Trevor Penning. They wanted to come out

1341
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:37,839
Speaker 1: of this first round with a tackle and a receiver.

1342
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 1: They did exactly that. So a lot of these teams

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01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 1: with multiple first round picks, uh, as expected they should

1344
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:46,920
Speaker 1: do well, and a lot of them did. It was

1345
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:49,639
Speaker 1: a fun draft. I mean, I don't know what you thought.

1346
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 1: Dane trades going left and right, players getting traded, picks

1347
01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 1: getting traded. Unbelievable. Just action. It was. It never dragged.

1348
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:00,040
Speaker 1: You know, I feel like sometimes the old days and

1349
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:01,760
Speaker 1: teams have way to all the fifteen minutes, and there

1350
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 1: wasn't not anymore. It was action packed. What did you

1351
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 1: think of just kind of all the movement and seeing

1352
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:10,719
Speaker 1: how teams are approaching, you know, this era where first

1353
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 1: round picks aren't untouchable. It was amazing. And I tell

1354
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 1: you what, I needed that adrenaline because after doing everything

1355
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 1: post draft that had come home or come back to

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01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 1: the hotel do a second and third months draft. So

1357
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 1: it was a late night. But all the adrenaline from

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01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 1: the first round, uh that it was there. I mean,

1359
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 1: it was palpable. So it was. It was a lot

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01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 1: of fun um and there were no trades in the

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01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,559
Speaker 1: top ten. But then once we got outside the top ten,

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01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:38,760
Speaker 1: that's where it's just a flurry of moves. We saw

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01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 1: the wide receiver run. Um. You know, we saw some

1364
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 1: veteran wide receivers get moved, which which is really interesting. Um.

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01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 1: And then you know, later on in the in the

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01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 1: back half a round one, we saw some real surprises,

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01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 1: especially Cold Strange go over to the Patriots at twenty nine.

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01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 1: I mean that that that drew just uh, I don't know.

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01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 1: I was excited just because to see a this really

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01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:04,640
Speaker 1: talented offensive linement from Chattanooga who I didn't rank at

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01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:07,280
Speaker 1: the top two round. Guy who's a third round or

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01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 1: an early third rounder for me. But you know, you

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01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:11,280
Speaker 1: like them quite a bit. And you know, the Patriots

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01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 1: every year have one of the smallest draft boards. Most

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01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 1: draft boards are one one fifty names. Um, Patriots are

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01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 1: eight like just not. They don't have a lot of

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01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:23,679
Speaker 1: names on their draft board. And you know they don't

1378
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 1: care where you know, the other teams have have these

1379
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 1: guys ranked. If they feel like they might not be

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01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:31,400
Speaker 1: able to get Cold Strange in the second round, they're

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01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 1: gonna take them right where they did. And so Cold

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01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 1: Strange is a plug and play guard. They want to

1383
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 1: play him at center. They can do that as well.

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01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 1: So that was really a lot of fun to see

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01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 1: him go about high. And it was a lot of

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01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 1: fun to see the reactions from Sean McVeigh and Less

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01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:47,640
Speaker 1: Sneat in real time as that unfolded. I mean, is

1388
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:49,639
Speaker 1: that is there a little bit of buzz about that

1389
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:51,880
Speaker 1: reaction and just the fact that we all got to

1390
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 1: see that kind of unfold in real time. Well, it's

1391
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:57,639
Speaker 1: I had the same reaction, and I mean we're doing

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01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 1: a live reaction too, and so tweet they tweeted my

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01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 1: My reaction is the most excited I was all night.

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01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:06,839
Speaker 1: And I mean it's just the last name you expected

1395
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 1: to hear, you know. I mean you're thinking, okay, Patriots,

1396
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 1: and it could go maybe linebacker here to Kobe Dean. Uh,

1397
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 1: maybe they go with a d V and then it's

1398
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 1: cold strange and it's just, oh my gosh, that's that's

1399
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 1: that's what we were hoping for in a draft like this,

1400
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 1: because you know, every year there's anywhere between eighteen twenty

1401
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:27,200
Speaker 1: two first round grades for most teams, and so we

1402
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 1: we see second round players go in the first round

1403
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 1: every year. This year, uh, talking before the draft, saying,

1404
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 1: you know, there's a good chance we could see some

1405
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 1: third rounders, you know, at least what we perceive as

1406
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 1: third rounders going in the first round because boards are

1407
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:43,360
Speaker 1: so similar in that, you know, fifteen and seventy five

1408
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:46,559
Speaker 1: range and there's not a lot of uh gaps between

1409
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 1: all these players. So if there's a team like the

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Speaker 1: Patriots who have a high grade on a guy like

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Speaker 1: cold Strange, it wouldn't be a surprise. And so but yeah,

1412
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Speaker 1: it's still a lot of fun to see that happened,

1413
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 1: and I gave us a little bit of adrenaline and

1414
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 1: the finish strong Jane, how did the first round set

1415
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:04,200
Speaker 1: up for us to do some damage here in the

1416
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 1: second and third? Did it? Did it work out okay

1417
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:08,680
Speaker 1: for us? Are there's still a lot of targets you

1418
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:11,720
Speaker 1: like for the Browns at just in terms of the

1419
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:13,680
Speaker 1: way that it went. How did it sit for us?

1420
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 1: We saw with six receivers come off the board in

1421
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:20,519
Speaker 1: the first eight team picks, and then we kept waiting, Okay,

1422
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:24,479
Speaker 1: when's that second run on receiver? Start that Christian wattson,

1423
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:28,320
Speaker 1: George Pickens sky more. Surely somewhere, you know, the Chiefs,

1424
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 1: the Packers, some one of those teams in the final

1425
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 1: six to seven picks in the first round. That's where

1426
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:36,640
Speaker 1: it was gonna pick up, pick back up again. It

1427
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:40,640
Speaker 1: never happened. So now it becomes really interesting, especially with

1428
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 1: all those quarterbacks still on the board. I mean, this

1429
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 1: is the first time since two thousand seven that we're

1430
01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 1: gonna have more quarterbacks drafted in the second round than

1431
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 1: the first round. Uh. And so you know seeing some

1432
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks fall. If you're the Browns, you know,

1433
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 1: sitting there forty four, you're hoping that Malik willis a

1434
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 1: Desmond Ritter. Uh maybe as Sam how maybe in that

1435
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 1: corral that these guys come off the board pretty quickly tonight.

1436
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 1: That's just gonna push another good player uh down to

1437
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:11,639
Speaker 1: forty four and the Browns. And you know we talked

1438
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 1: about this, uh Nathan especially you. You bring this up

1439
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:19,479
Speaker 1: a lot. How uh it's in the second round. Andrew

1440
01:17:19,479 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 1: Berry is not afraid to move around back whatever. He

1441
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:26,559
Speaker 1: will be aggressive and kind of play around a little bit,

1442
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 1: especially when they have two threes where if they if

1443
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 1: they see their guy, and to me, sky More, I

1444
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 1: would love to see them go up again sky More

1445
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 1: than the receiver out of Western Michigan. I just don't

1446
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 1: think he's gonna make it to forty four. But if he,

1447
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:41,599
Speaker 1: you know, is still on the board at say thirty seven,

1448
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:44,680
Speaker 1: thirty eight, Uh, I don't maybe you can do it

1449
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:46,519
Speaker 1: with uh with a fourth round pick. I don't know,

1450
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 1: but I would really like to see them come out

1451
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 1: of the second round with with a guy like sky More. Yeah,

1452
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 1: and it feels like more you know Watson, who I

1453
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 1: know the Browns had for a visit, intriguing size, speed combo.

1454
01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 1: I know you like sky More better your number seve

1455
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:04,559
Speaker 1: having ranked receiver on your board, it feels like those

1456
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 1: guys won't be there, which leads us to what you did.

1457
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 1: I'm guessing in your mock, you know where the receivers

1458
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 1: were gone, and the Browns go to the edge position? Uh?

1459
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 1: And and so tell us what you did at that

1460
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:17,640
Speaker 1: edge spot. Who you'd be targeting if you're eyeing the

1461
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:19,639
Speaker 1: Browns logan Hall is still out there. There's some people

1462
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 1: think he may go to Tampa here with this first

1463
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 1: pick of the second round, but I'm hoping maybe they

1464
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:25,559
Speaker 1: go with a defensive tackle, maybe Travis Jones and push

1465
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 1: Halled down. Uh, how's that position looking? And and and

1466
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 1: are you hearing anything about a job of because he's

1467
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 1: a guy that I think a lot of people are

1468
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:38,040
Speaker 1: still very intrigued by. Yeah. And obviously the Browns uh

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Speaker 1: defensive ent situation very much influx right now. Uh you know,

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Speaker 1: Gadeveon Clowney and there's a few other uh potential free

1471
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 1: agents out there where It's not like they absolutely have

1472
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:52,160
Speaker 1: to get a pass rusher here to compete next year.

1473
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 1: I mean they could go on the open market and

1474
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 1: find some of these guys. But um, you know, how

1475
01:18:57,479 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 1: does that change your thinking in terms of a player

1476
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:02,479
Speaker 1: that is ready to go from day one or maybe

1477
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 1: someone that needs a little bit of development or maybe

1478
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:06,920
Speaker 1: a little bit of time to rehab, like a David

1479
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 1: the Jabo. Um in my mock draft, my second round

1480
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 1: mock that's up on the Athletic right now. I've got

1481
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:14,639
Speaker 1: Logan Hall going thirty three to Tampa. I think they

1482
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 1: like him as a three technique. Um. You know, also

1483
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:19,680
Speaker 1: a guy like we talked about can play outside, but

1484
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 1: they I think they like him inside. That would make

1485
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 1: a lot of sense. Um. And then at forty four,

1486
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 1: I've got the Brown speaking Drake Jackson from USC a

1487
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:30,559
Speaker 1: player who just uh since his freshman season at USC.

1488
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 1: You know, came into the big recruit and he did

1489
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:36,200
Speaker 1: not disappoint. Uh. He was a freshman All American, and

1490
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 1: they kind of, I think stunted his development a little

1491
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 1: bit with the weight loss and you know, the weight

1492
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:44,840
Speaker 1: fluctuation and the way they used him. But this guy's

1493
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:47,759
Speaker 1: got a lot of talent. He's is a loose, twitchy athletes,

1494
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:50,439
Speaker 1: strong hands. Um, there's just a lot you can do

1495
01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:53,160
Speaker 1: with the Drake Jackson. So I like that fit if

1496
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 1: he's available at forty four. And then as we go

1497
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:58,800
Speaker 1: down your draft into the third round, you have Alec

1498
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 1: Pierce at the third round. Receivers see a big fan

1499
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:03,320
Speaker 1: of him as well, Um, what do you like about

1500
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:06,160
Speaker 1: his game? Why the fit? Yeah, I mean, if you're

1501
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:09,519
Speaker 1: gonna bet on um, you know, receivers, give me the

1502
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 1: guys that you know have some of the testing that

1503
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:15,640
Speaker 1: you want to see, Um, some some really you know,

1504
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 1: distinguishable traits that you can attach yourself to and say, okay,

1505
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 1: that's what I know we can add to our offense.

1506
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 1: And you know he's gonna help us. And so like

1507
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:26,080
Speaker 1: a guy like Alex Pierce has the straight line speed

1508
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:28,880
Speaker 1: and he's got really Uh, the high pointing skills, the

1509
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:32,280
Speaker 1: leaping skills. He can make plays over defensive backs. He

1510
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 1: did it routinely on a Cincinnati tape six three two

1511
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 1: ten ran the four four one, Uh at the at

1512
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:45,040
Speaker 1: the combine, jumped over in the vert The routes are

1513
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:48,280
Speaker 1: working progress. Uh. You know, he's not the most polished

1514
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:50,679
Speaker 1: route runner, and it's something that he needs to continue

1515
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 1: to develop. But uh, he has this catch radius that

1516
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 1: is going to really help the quarterback. UM. And he's

1517
01:20:57,200 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 1: a guy that can help you on special teams. He's

1518
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 1: got some linebacker experienced in his background. He's played, he's

1519
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:05,720
Speaker 1: been a gunner on special teams, on punt coverage. So

1520
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:08,639
Speaker 1: there's just a lot to like about Alec Pierson. Uh,

1521
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:11,120
Speaker 1: you know, the athlete, the player that he is still

1522
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:13,200
Speaker 1: growing into, and I think it'd be a great fit,

1523
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 1: uh for for what the Browns are looking for specifically. Uh,

1524
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:21,200
Speaker 1: in that mid day, mid round three range. Who is

1525
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:23,120
Speaker 1: the person that's still on the board that you are

1526
01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 1: the most surprised about just in the league in general,

1527
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:28,679
Speaker 1: based on kind of what you had heard going into

1528
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:34,080
Speaker 1: the draft. Um, I don't see. I mean, like Andrew Booth,

1529
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 1: there's some injury stuff there. So maybe not a huge

1530
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 1: shock that Andrew Booth is still there. Uh. You know,

1531
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 1: he had the growing strain, the double hernia surgery. We

1532
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:47,960
Speaker 1: have no testing for him, um, and so not a

1533
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:50,320
Speaker 1: huge surprise that Andrew Booth is still out there. To

1534
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:52,320
Speaker 1: Kobe Dean kind of the same thing. I've heard some

1535
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 1: injury things with him, a knee, a peck um uh.

1536
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:59,160
Speaker 1: And he's a smaller linebacker to begin with. So I

1537
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:01,920
Speaker 1: think the Kobe Dean gonna go pretty quickly, you know, tonight,

1538
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 1: uh and somewhere in round two. But there are some

1539
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 1: injury things that I know We're a sticking point. I

1540
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:10,719
Speaker 1: was not the biggest. I mean, Twitter loves Malik Willis

1541
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 1: more than NFL teams do. I mean, we've been better

1542
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 1: saying that throughout the process. But still a little surprising

1543
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:18,759
Speaker 1: that Malik Willis did not go in the first thirty

1544
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:21,599
Speaker 1: two picks. Um. And you hear, we hear so much

1545
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 1: about that fifth year option. And I'll be honest, at

1546
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:26,599
Speaker 1: that fifth year option when it comes to quarterbacks, it's

1547
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:29,919
Speaker 1: it's a little overrated. It's it can be a detriment

1548
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 1: at times. You know, I'm not gonna bring up the

1549
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:36,000
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield situation. But you know, we've seen it uh

1550
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:38,519
Speaker 1: in a few places where that fifth year option can

1551
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:40,679
Speaker 1: kind of work against you because it's not a cheap option.

1552
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:43,000
Speaker 1: It's a lot of money we're talking about. So I

1553
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:46,760
Speaker 1: don't think that fifth year is as appealing to that

1554
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:50,040
Speaker 1: quarterback as a lot of fans think it is. And

1555
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:52,759
Speaker 1: you know, we saw that play out last night, uh

1556
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:55,719
Speaker 1: where only one quarterback going, and it was the first

1557
01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 1: time since uh we didn't have a single quarterback in

1558
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:02,679
Speaker 1: the first nineteen x so really fascinating with the quarterbacks.

1559
01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:05,000
Speaker 1: But I even though Malik Willis was not a first

1560
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 1: round pick, um, you know, it was being very overrated

1561
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 1: on Twitter. Still a little surprised that not one team thought,

1562
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 1: you know, it's okay, let's let's take a gamble here

1563
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:16,880
Speaker 1: in the late first round, Dane, we haven't we You

1564
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 1: keep an eye on what the opposition is doing in

1565
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:21,960
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh certainly among that, Um, what did you make of

1566
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 1: pick it as a prospect? And I was alarmed a

1567
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:25,760
Speaker 1: little bit. Well not I mean, it's good for us,

1568
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 1: but when I heard Tomlin say he had the lowest floor,

1569
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 1: uh that that that seems like a red flag to me,

1570
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:33,120
Speaker 1: what did what did you make of pick at at

1571
01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 1: for the Steelers at Yeah, and that's the conversation, Um,

1572
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:39,960
Speaker 1: you know I had with uh Robert May's and Nate

1573
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:42,800
Speaker 1: Ties during our show last night was Okay, if you're

1574
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:46,840
Speaker 1: the Browns, if you're the Ravens, this this because really

1575
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:50,000
Speaker 1: it doesn't And and I like Kenny Pickett. He's a

1576
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 1: good player. If I need to win a football game tomorrow,

1577
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:54,320
Speaker 1: I think he can help me do that. But I

1578
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:57,240
Speaker 1: don't think this is a situation where you know, you're

1579
01:23:57,240 --> 01:24:00,639
Speaker 1: bringing a ringer into the division who's all sudden going

1580
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:06,000
Speaker 1: to uh, you know, strike fear into defenses around the A. C. North.

1581
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 1: It's just he's not that type of player. Now, he's

1582
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 1: a good player. If he turns out to have a

1583
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:14,519
Speaker 1: Cousins like career, that's maybe best case scenario for him,

1584
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:17,320
Speaker 1: which you know, Kirk Cousins is a guy that can

1585
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 1: lead his team to the playoffs and he given year.

1586
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:22,760
Speaker 1: So Kenny Pickett has that type of potential. But you know,

1587
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:25,960
Speaker 1: it is a little surprising that they went that direction. Uh.

1588
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:27,680
Speaker 1: You know, it's gonna be an open competition with him

1589
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 1: and Robiski and training camp and we'll see how that

1590
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 1: plays out. But obviously with him playing and Pitt playing

1591
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:36,599
Speaker 1: in hines Field, there's a lot of familiarity there. Uh,

1592
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:39,800
Speaker 1: Picket was the direction I had the Steelers going in

1593
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:42,280
Speaker 1: my mock draft. That's what I kept hearing. But still

1594
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:44,559
Speaker 1: when it happened, it was still was a little surprising

1595
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 1: to see a see a play out the way it did.

1596
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 1: You know, there was a lot of talk time coming

1597
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:51,799
Speaker 1: into this draft. It just really curious real quickly on Pickett,

1598
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:54,080
Speaker 1: like where would he have been in last year's draft

1599
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:58,080
Speaker 1: class for you? Oh? Um, I mean competing with Davis

1600
01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:01,000
Speaker 1: Mills for the sixth quarterback. Um, he would not have

1601
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 1: been above any of the top five, the five guys

1602
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:07,040
Speaker 1: that went the first picks. Um. And then I was

1603
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:08,800
Speaker 1: a big fan of David's Mills out of Standford. I

1604
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 1: thought he was going to be an NFL starter. I

1605
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:13,839
Speaker 1: think probably would have had Kenny Pickett just ahead of

1606
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:16,599
Speaker 1: a Mills, so in between mac Jones and Davis Mills

1607
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:19,559
Speaker 1: as as a prospect. And uh, it's it's funny how

1608
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:23,720
Speaker 1: that works were one year to the next, this year's Uh,

1609
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 1: any other given year, probably a second rounder. You mentioned

1610
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:29,519
Speaker 1: Baker earlier, and I think everybody's watching to see if

1611
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 1: something happens today or if it ends up happening tomorrow.

1612
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 1: If it's gonna happen during the draft, obviously those are

1613
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 1: the two days for it. But you know, we were

1614
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 1: starting to hear a lot of chatter right coming up

1615
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:39,840
Speaker 1: to the draft that Baker Mayfields by far the most

1616
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:43,280
Speaker 1: talented quarterback available to a football team this year. And

1617
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:45,760
Speaker 1: I'm guessing from what you just said that makes a

1618
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:47,720
Speaker 1: lot of sense that that is obviously true. And I

1619
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 1: don't know if we've seen him play at a high

1620
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:52,519
Speaker 1: level in the NFL, but that this class isn't great

1621
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 1: and it's why a Mits Robiski got the deal he did,

1622
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:56,679
Speaker 1: It's why Marcus Mariotta got the deal that he did

1623
01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 1: to come into some of those teams. How do you

1624
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:02,600
Speaker 1: kind of see maybe not necessarily that playing out, but

1625
01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:05,760
Speaker 1: you know, from an evaluation standpoint, is that something that

1626
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:07,680
Speaker 1: you have heard as well? And do you think that

1627
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:10,479
Speaker 1: you know, perhaps this weekend that's when somebody says, Okay, alright,

1628
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:12,680
Speaker 1: we've gone through here. We didn't take the quarterback at six.

1629
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:15,560
Speaker 1: I mean, if if Carolina and Atlanta are not taking quarterbacks,

1630
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:17,760
Speaker 1: you know that in Seattle you know that they don't

1631
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:22,519
Speaker 1: love the quarterbacks, right, And it'll be interesting, interesting with uh,

1632
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:25,519
Speaker 1: you know Tennessee picking out thirty five tonight pretty quickly,

1633
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:28,679
Speaker 1: we could see them go quarterback. Seattle back to back

1634
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:33,679
Speaker 1: forty and forty one, uh, Indianapolis at forty two, Atlanta

1635
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:35,960
Speaker 1: forty three. There's a lot of these teams in the

1636
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:39,479
Speaker 1: first ten of fifteen picks that could could realistically go quarterback.

1637
01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:42,840
Speaker 1: And if they don't, what's that say? And it'll be

1638
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:45,240
Speaker 1: interesting with Carolina. They don't pick it to the fourth round,

1639
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:49,479
Speaker 1: and so what does Carolina do? We have next year's draft?

1640
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:53,040
Speaker 1: They could trade a future conditional, you know, picking next

1641
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 1: year's draft for a Baker Mayfield if they want to

1642
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:57,800
Speaker 1: go that direction. Do they try to get back up

1643
01:26:57,800 --> 01:27:01,040
Speaker 1: into the second round for you know, Sam Howell, who

1644
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:03,639
Speaker 1: I know they like. But it's just hard when they

1645
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:06,120
Speaker 1: don't have that draft capital. Uh And they don't pick

1646
01:27:06,160 --> 01:27:08,920
Speaker 1: again to one thirty seven. So Caroline is in a

1647
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:11,880
Speaker 1: weird spot right now where uh, you know, Sam Donald's

1648
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:15,559
Speaker 1: already there. Is it worth giving up a conditional pick

1649
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:18,280
Speaker 1: next year? I think the big thing Browns fans maybe

1650
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:20,840
Speaker 1: need to brace themselves for the return is probably not

1651
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:23,280
Speaker 1: going to be what they wanted to be, and that's

1652
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:25,960
Speaker 1: just because the leverage isn't there. There's only so many

1653
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:29,640
Speaker 1: spots for Baker to end up and if the you know,

1654
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:32,200
Speaker 1: the only it really puts the Browns decision makers in

1655
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:34,639
Speaker 1: a bind in terms of Okay, do we just hold

1656
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:37,360
Speaker 1: onto them and see what happens? Uh? In terms of

1657
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 1: injuries around the league in camp? Um, you know, I

1658
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:41,840
Speaker 1: don't think Baker Mayfield is going to be coming to

1659
01:27:42,160 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 1: Brown's training camp. But is it something we just kind

1660
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:46,800
Speaker 1: of hold out and wait or do we strike while

1661
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:48,880
Speaker 1: Iron's hot and take the best offer we get this weekend,

1662
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:51,559
Speaker 1: which might be a fourth round pick? So I think

1663
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:54,519
Speaker 1: it'll There's a lot of moving parts here with Baker

1664
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:57,599
Speaker 1: and uh, different possibilities that could play out. A lot

1665
01:27:57,600 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 1: of rumors going around down here. But it'll be interesting

1666
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:02,639
Speaker 1: to see the next two days if this mate fields

1667
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Speaker 1: on the move or not. You're the best, Dame. Thanks

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