Speaker 1: Heads up, this series contains graphic descriptions of violence. So Quincy,
Speaker 1: I have a couple questions that are going to be
Speaker 1: difficult questions.
Speaker 2: It basically comes down to that night.
Speaker 3: Giv I giv.
Speaker 1: In one of my calls with Quincy Cross, I brought
Speaker 1: up the concerns you heard last episode about the gas,
Speaker 1: the belt, and his demeanor the night Jessica went missing.
Speaker 1: These three things made Citizen Investigator Susan Galbreath home in
Speaker 1: on Quincy and make him suspect number one on her list.
Speaker 1: Not only that prosecutors would use these details in their
Speaker 1: case against Quincy as proof of his guilt.
Speaker 4: He was pouring gas into the car with Debbie Perkins bandied,
Speaker 4: and he didn't have a belt.
Speaker 5: Or sure.
Speaker 1: When I spoke to Quincy, his story remained relatively unchanged.
Speaker 1: He went to a small party, borrowed a car, and
Speaker 1: left around daybreak to go find something to eat. He
Speaker 1: got lost and then the car broke down. Where did
Speaker 1: you get the gas can?
Speaker 3: Do? Yeah, I'm bailed. It was a pall on something else.
Speaker 6: Goss just ship there.
Speaker 1: He says he got the can and started filling the tank.
Speaker 1: Then a deputy jailer stopped by to help and saw
Speaker 1: him spilling gas on his pants. As far as wanting
Speaker 1: to find girls that night, he says, yeah, he brought
Speaker 1: that up at the party.
Speaker 2: It was full of guys.
Speaker 6: Like a whole bunch of boots I can find.
Speaker 1: So maybe that's what people at the party remembered. And
Speaker 1: the missing belt, he thinks maybe he left it at
Speaker 1: the house when he dozed off on the couch.
Speaker 3: That wanted to.
Speaker 6: Get him off the edge of the couch and hill.
Speaker 3: On the couch.
Speaker 1: These answers are unsatisfying, and they don't look great if
Speaker 1: I'm being honest, But they would concern me more if
Speaker 1: the case against Quincy weren't so flimsy, Because when you
Speaker 1: look deeper into the actual evidence presented at Quincy's trial
Speaker 1: and the story the prosecution told about how Jessica was killed,
Speaker 1: these two details lose their damning power, and I'd go
Speaker 1: as far as saying they don't even matter at all.
Speaker 1: This is Graves County, Chapter three, Persons of Interest. After
Speaker 1: interviewing Quincy under false pretenses, Susan Golbreath was going to
Speaker 1: get him for Jessica Curran's murder. She knew it was him.
Speaker 1: The gas the belt. It made too much sense. They
Speaker 1: just needed to figure out how, why, and with whom.
Speaker 1: One of the things Susan did next was find the
Speaker 1: names of exactly who all had been at the party
Speaker 1: at Chris Drive, the same one Quincy was at the
Speaker 1: night of the murder. It was a small gathering, but
Speaker 1: it was one of many on that street that night,
Speaker 1: so people came and went. Susan started by going over
Speaker 1: original police interviews from the days after Jessica's body was
Speaker 1: found on August first, two thousand.
Speaker 7: I immediately started laying out the transcripts, and if I've
Speaker 7: talked too much, I apologize.
Speaker 6: I have a bad habit of it.
Speaker 1: But during trial, Susan recalls that in the transcripts, partygoers
Speaker 1: mentioned two guests whose names remained a mystery.
Speaker 7: These two white boys doped by five Mine seven Chris Try,
Speaker 7: So for some reason, I thought they were so they
Speaker 7: were important because they kept asking about him.
Speaker 1: One party goer told police that the two guys had
Speaker 1: come from a nearby gathering, but they only stayed for
Speaker 1: a minute or two. Through some digging, Susan says, she
Speaker 1: managed to identify them. Then she called the Kentucky State Police.
Speaker 7: I had called Sam Steeter and I said, look, I said,
Speaker 7: I got the name of those two white boys with
Speaker 7: Jeffrey Burton.
Speaker 1: Jeff Burton, a scrawny guy from around town who was
Speaker 1: close to his mom, grew up going to church and
Speaker 1: playing baseball, though like many in Mayfield, he went through
Speaker 1: a rough patch. He quit high school, got busted for drugs,
Speaker 1: and got into fights. But by the time Susan found
Speaker 1: his name, he was in his mid twenties with a
Speaker 1: wife and three kids, getting his life together and mostly
Speaker 1: keeping to himself. In a two thousand and seven email
Speaker 1: to journalist Tom Mangold, Susan reveals what had interest.
Speaker 2: At her about Jeff. A colleague will be reading Susan's emails.
Speaker 8: I had found out earlier that Burton's house was near
Speaker 8: the middle school. I quit focusing on what I already
Speaker 8: knew and went after what I didn't know.
Speaker 1: Jeff's house was close to the middle school where Jessica's
Speaker 1: body was found. Susan writes that she went to Jeff's
Speaker 1: house ready to knock on the door. She wanted to
Speaker 1: know what he was up to the night of the murder.
Speaker 8: Long story short, I finally found Burton's house I was
Speaker 8: so excited.
Speaker 1: I pulled my But when Susan arrived to the house,
Speaker 1: there was no one living there. It was completely abandoned,
Speaker 1: she writes Tom.
Speaker 8: As I walked around the house, I saw a garage.
Speaker 8: It was so eerie I could see inside the house.
Speaker 2: She walks back to the garage.
Speaker 8: The air was still. There were houses close by, but
Speaker 8: it felt as though time stood still. The driveway and
Speaker 8: garage were totally surrounded by brush and foliage.
Speaker 2: She creeps closer.
Speaker 8: I crept over to the door and was overwhelmed with
Speaker 8: the feeling of dread. I didn't go in for fear
Speaker 8: of changing the scene. I was so excited. I knew
Speaker 8: I had finally found where they had Jessica. I knew
Speaker 8: this house was connected to her. It's hard to explain
Speaker 8: another spiritual moment.
Speaker 1: Perhaps up until then, the police had maintained that Jessica
Speaker 1: was attacked and killed at the middle school, according to
Speaker 1: records I've reviewed. Susan also had it as the crime
Speaker 1: scene in her murder theories, but in this email to Tom,
Speaker 1: Susan expresses that once she got to Jeff's house, she
Speaker 1: just knew it was connected to Jessica's death.
Speaker 8: I told Lee Wise about everything, and he told me
Speaker 8: he would check into it on his next trip into town.
Speaker 1: Susan shared her new theory with law enforcement, and sure
Speaker 1: enough that winter agents also visited Jeff's house.
Speaker 9: We're in the city of Mayfield, Kentucky present and the
Speaker 9: vehicle is myself, David James, Agent bible'neil, agent Lee Wise.
Speaker 2: The agents recorded the visit, but by that time it
Speaker 2: had been demolished.
Speaker 10: This would be the house where Jeff Burton resided.
Speaker 3: The house is now gone.
Speaker 1: And what you hear in these tapes seven years after
Speaker 1: Jessica's murder is a shift in the official murder theory.
Speaker 1: The crime scene is no longer the middle school.
Speaker 6: This is a house where they took Jessica to she
Speaker 6: was allegedly killed.
Speaker 1: Also, up until this point, the police didn't have a
Speaker 1: reason to believe Jessica had been raped or sexually assaulted.
Speaker 1: They hadn't found any physical evidence of it, like trauma
Speaker 1: on her body that suggested assault or seamen. Because because
Speaker 1: her underwear was found ripped laying next to her, it
Speaker 1: was a possibility one that Susan and Tom jumped onto
Speaker 1: and which you heard last episode.
Speaker 2: We were pretty certain by now that Quincy Cross, together
Speaker 2: with other accomplices, had murdered Jessica in a sex and
Speaker 2: drugs frenzy, but they hadn't been able to corroborate their hunch.
Speaker 1: So in two thousand and seven, when Victoria Caledwell responded
Speaker 1: to Susan's friend request on MySpace, Susan was elated and
Speaker 1: let Victoria.
Speaker 2: Know, you just gave me goosebumps.
Speaker 3: Hun.
Speaker 8: Of course I can help you, she replied to Victoria.
Speaker 8: I'll do anything I can for you. I promise you.
Speaker 8: I'm sitting here with tears rolling down my face. I
Speaker 8: had no idea. I have friends in high places, Hun,
Speaker 8: and I can probably help you a lot. In fact,
Speaker 8: I know I can.
Speaker 1: Susan was convinced Victoria was the key to cracking the
Speaker 1: case against Quincy Cross US because Victoria had been tangentially
Speaker 1: involved in this case from the beginning.
Speaker 9: I'm at the math the high school in the conference
Speaker 9: room outside of time for the robbers, president as myself,
Speaker 9: Detective m Fortner, and also Victoria Caldwell.
Speaker 1: Just days after Jessica's death, Victoria told police she heard
Speaker 1: people talking about killing.
Speaker 6: Jessica at the core because that'll it.
Speaker 1: But then she moved to California and virtually disappeared from
Speaker 1: the case until two thousand and six, when she emerged again. First,
Speaker 1: she called the state police to say she'd overheard relevant
Speaker 1: information about the Jessica Current murder. Then she made contact
Speaker 1: with Susan, saying she knew things.
Speaker 2: That could put her in danger.
Speaker 1: By this time, a third investigative agency had taken over
Speaker 1: the case, the Kentucky Bureau of Investigation, or KBI. Susan
Speaker 1: built a rapport with them like she did with our predecessors,
Speaker 1: and on Susan's tip, the KBI traveled to California to
Speaker 1: interview Victoria Caldwell.
Speaker 11: As day is more than twelve to tho thousand and
Speaker 11: seven and it's.
Speaker 2: You.
Speaker 11: I'll visit to the side of Maria trying to flowing
Speaker 11: adiators too in like this interview with was Victoria Budwell.
Speaker 1: Victoria Caldwell sounds and looks like a young girl, even
Speaker 1: though she was twenty two when the KBI first spoke
Speaker 1: to her.
Speaker 2: There's an innocence to her tone.
Speaker 12: Oh normally start from beginning, Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: She has a bashful gaze and chubby cheeks that enhance
Speaker 1: her childlike features. During the interview, Victoria says she felt
Speaker 1: unsafe in Mayfield. She tells the KBI Quincy had threatened
Speaker 1: her over the phone to stay quiet about anything she
Speaker 1: may have over herd about Jessica's murder.
Speaker 13: Yeah, you know, you know it was my bet around
Speaker 13: her neck, you met it was And I was just
Speaker 13: like no, no, no, I don't know anything. And he
Speaker 13: just kept said, you know, you know, he said, you mad,
Speaker 13: you make you disappear, And I was like, okay, like
Speaker 13: that's a panic.
Speaker 1: In this interview, Victoria told the KBI that he'd been
Speaker 1: threatening her for over a year, and even though she
Speaker 1: didn't have his threats on tape, there was a recording
Speaker 1: of her sister Rosie, telling Victoria that Quincy was after
Speaker 1: her in May two thousand and six. Rosie is saying,
Speaker 1: Quincy is going to kill your motherfucking ass. The KBI
Speaker 1: took these threats seriously, so the agents moved Victoria from
Speaker 1: California to North Carolina and into state witness protection, and
Speaker 1: soon after, authorities would blast Quincy's face and name in
Speaker 1: the local news as an armed and dangerous suspect wanted
Speaker 1: for the murder of Jessica Current.
Speaker 2: Hello, mister Sumbo get to see you.
Speaker 3: Hi, Maggie.
Speaker 6: How are you.
Speaker 1: I am well, so, like Rebecca said, my internet's kind
Speaker 1: of slow over here, so I'm probably going to turn.
Speaker 1: The reason these state agents got involved in the first
Speaker 1: place was Greg Stumbo.
Speaker 14: Mayfield's not known for having violent crimes, and it's a
Speaker 14: little sleepy down in Kentucky or you know, everybody sort
Speaker 14: of knows everybody. It's a farming community, and this type
Speaker 14: of crime was obviously not something that happens very very often.
Speaker 1: Stumbo served thirty six years in public office, including four
Speaker 1: as the Attorney General of Kentucky from two thousand and
Speaker 1: four to two thousand and eight, the years when Susan
Speaker 1: started looking into the case and working with the state police.
Speaker 1: While on the campaign trail, Stumbo met Jessica's dad, Joe Curran,
Speaker 1: at a political event, and Joe.
Speaker 14: Sought me out and told me about his daughter's tragic
Speaker 14: death and it hadn't been solved.
Speaker 2: Joe had been marching and demanding that law enforcement solve
Speaker 2: his daughter's case.
Speaker 9: We went to see the county attorney, we went to
Speaker 9: see the police chief, we went to see the sheriff.
Speaker 1: And now he had the ear of the potential state
Speaker 1: Attorney General. Stumbo made a promise to Joe, and.
Speaker 14: I told Joe current that day, I said, if I'm elected,
Speaker 14: I will do my best to solve that case.
Speaker 2: Stumbo won and he did exactly that.
Speaker 9: This guy decided to do something on it, so we
Speaker 9: would have regular meetings with my KBI Commissioner, David James.
Speaker 1: Stumbo revamped the investigative unit the Attorney General's office had
Speaker 1: at the time.
Speaker 6: We changed the name.
Speaker 14: I liked the name, the Kentucky Breau Investigation and make
Speaker 14: them a more effective investigating unit.
Speaker 1: They tackled major crimes like drug trafficking, fraud, and public corruption.
Speaker 1: The KBI wasn't formed to solve homicides, but Stumbo had
Speaker 1: made a promise to Joe Kurrn the KBI was on it.
Speaker 1: The man Stumbo chose to lead the agency happened to
Speaker 1: be black, and he thought it would be beneficial to
Speaker 1: send black agents to Mayfield. He figured black agents would
Speaker 1: have more success getting people to open up than the
Speaker 1: previous white law enforcement officers.
Speaker 6: But just so happened.
Speaker 14: We had two very good African American agents and they
Speaker 14: were big guys, you know, big impressive, fooking guys. We
Speaker 14: sent them down there, and sure enough, the local people
Speaker 14: in the African American community who had knowledge about that crime,
Speaker 14: who were afraid to talk to the Mayfield police about
Speaker 14: it or the Kentucky State officers, began spill into veins.
Speaker 2: Like Victoria Caldwell.
Speaker 14: They confronted her, she wrote down, tell the whole.
Speaker 1: Story, the story that would end up implicating herself, Jeff Burton, Tammer, Caldwell,
Speaker 1: Venetia's Doublefield, and Quincy Cross. But the agents had never
Speaker 1: investigated a homicide. They were two former narcotics cops who
Speaker 1: used a series of unorthodox tactics to elicit several confessions.
Speaker 1: And these tactics start with the place they conducted some
Speaker 1: of their key interviews and.
Speaker 11: Presently located in the conference room of the Sweets located.
Speaker 1: In Paducah, Kentucky, the Drury Inn and Suites in Paducah, Kentucky.
Speaker 1: Not a police station, but a modest hotel about thirty
Speaker 1: minutes from Mayfield, the kind of place with free hot breakfast,
Speaker 1: seventy style looking conference rooms, and limited surveillance.
Speaker 4: They never did bring me my rights or anything. They
Speaker 4: just had me get in the car, and I was like, well,
Speaker 4: where am I going. They would not tell me where
Speaker 4: I was going at all until I got there. I
Speaker 4: thought that I was going through the police station.
Speaker 1: Tamer Caldwell was among their persons of interest. She's Victoria's cousin,
Speaker 1: the homebody who never went anywhere without her babies and
Speaker 1: who dated Quincy Cross. He was great with her kids.
Speaker 1: Victoria had implicated both of them and her interviews with
Speaker 1: the KBI, and now they were being questioned by law enforcement,
Speaker 1: including two agents who made it clear that they already
Speaker 1: knew the truth.
Speaker 2: They just needed their suspects to confirm it.
Speaker 3: Don't you know we already know.
Speaker 15: I know, y'all know what.
Speaker 1: Lee Wise takes the lead, imposing and commanding.
Speaker 11: You look so pathetic, faking those who is rocking in
Speaker 11: that and telling them lie here.
Speaker 2: Look, I don't know a fool agent.
Speaker 1: Bab O'Neil is mild mannered and more reserved.
Speaker 10: Okay, Quincy, you have the right to remain silent. Anything
Speaker 10: you say Cannon will be held against you in the court.
Speaker 10: With these rights in mind, do you wish to talk
Speaker 10: with us now?
Speaker 3: Sure? All right?
Speaker 1: Quincy actually turned himself in after seeing his name and
Speaker 1: face on the news, so you.
Speaker 15: Know, and I ain't never been the type of wrong,
Speaker 15: so I ain't dope, So I'll bet off try to
Speaker 15: myself in you know what I mean, I'd rather come
Speaker 15: to you instead.
Speaker 1: Having looked at me, Quincy and everyone else who was
Speaker 1: taken to the drury and in sweets went willingly. No
Speaker 1: one was under arrest, and no one had an attorney present.
Speaker 1: Tammer tells me she was questioned for hours.
Speaker 2: On end forever. I'm talking about like nine dn't at words.
Speaker 2: The interviews turned interrogations are confusing, chaotic and taxing.
Speaker 3: You hear what I said, you cry, but your eyes.
Speaker 11: You're sitting there knowing what you've done, done for your
Speaker 11: entire life. If you're lying and you're not accustomed to
Speaker 11: be hailed accountable for your actions.
Speaker 1: In this clip, they're yelling at Tamera while she weeps.
Speaker 1: She's wearing a colored blue and white pinstriped shirt, her
Speaker 1: hair is in a side pony, and she looks like
Speaker 1: a little girl. She's trapped alone in a hotel room
Speaker 1: with law enforcement, thirty minutes from home and very few people.
Speaker 2: If anyone knows she's there, oh, terrified.
Speaker 4: That would tell me if you don't tell the truth,
Speaker 4: you're gonna get shipped up the river. You're never gonna
Speaker 4: get to see your kids graduate, You're never going to
Speaker 4: maut to anything.
Speaker 1: The KBI also brought in Rosie, Victoria's sister as a
Speaker 1: corroborating witness against Jeff Quincy and Tamra. Rosie says they
Speaker 1: interrogated her for two days.
Speaker 4: They told me I was lying, he kept telling me
Speaker 4: to shut up, and then they told me that they
Speaker 4: could take my kids away from me.
Speaker 1: And the line of questioning is also disturbingly focused on
Speaker 1: the women's sex lives.
Speaker 10: What type of sex did he like or was he
Speaker 10: did he enjoy all sex or sex?
Speaker 7: Yes?
Speaker 3: What's your sexual preference? Are you by sex? Or you're lesbian?
Speaker 2: Especially about the women being lesbians?
Speaker 3: You considered yourself a lesbian?
Speaker 4: No, you know, I think right after that, right after
Speaker 4: he asked me if I was living, when he stuck
Speaker 4: his hand up on the table and was rubbing on
Speaker 4: my leg.
Speaker 1: Jeff Burton was also brought in The White Kid, Susan
Speaker 1: Golbroth had found I don't want to go to jail.
Speaker 10: I don't want to go to jail, but I don't
Speaker 10: want to sit here and listen to this lies. I
Speaker 10: don't want to listen to these lies, man, I don't
Speaker 10: want to.
Speaker 2: And they squeezed him, all of them for confessions.
Speaker 10: It's gonna be your word against five or six other people.
Speaker 10: And you know what it takes. You know what it takes.
Speaker 10: All it takes is for jury to either the jury
Speaker 10: to believe what you say or what they say. That's
Speaker 10: messed up.
Speaker 3: That's messed up.
Speaker 10: If that's the case, and that's how it goes down.
Speaker 3: And that is messed up.
Speaker 1: To me, it sounds like the agents learned how to
Speaker 1: be detectives from watching Law and Order.
Speaker 11: And I hope you a good surfer, baby. I'm giving
Speaker 11: you one wave. You better ride this wave until you done,
Speaker 11: because you're not gonna get another way from me. Okay, yes,
Speaker 11: So if you can't surf, you better lay down on
Speaker 11: that board and hope it.
Speaker 1: In these KBI videos, only the interview he is visible.
Speaker 1: All law enforcement are off camera. We don't know what
Speaker 1: they were, or we're not doing out a frame or
Speaker 1: who is in the hotel room. Think of videos you
Speaker 1: see in police stations. The camera is usually above. You
Speaker 1: can see the whole room, everyone in it. That didn't
Speaker 1: happen here, plus video and tape recorders were turned on
Speaker 1: and off frequently.
Speaker 4: They would ask me questions and they would cut the
Speaker 4: recorder off.
Speaker 3: We're gonna go off record for about ten.
Speaker 4: Minutes, and and he go in this room and he
Speaker 4: come back in and unpiles the record or whatever and
Speaker 4: start talking crazy to me, and we're back on record.
Speaker 1: At one point during Jeff's interrogation, Rosie is brought into
Speaker 1: the room to identify him.
Speaker 10: Jeff Burton, Jeff Burton, if you.
Speaker 1: Know anything about witness identification or lineups, this is absolutely
Speaker 1: not how it's done.
Speaker 2: Looking back, Jeff says, the whole thing was mind boggling.
Speaker 5: I feel like they're telling me that you know, we
Speaker 5: already got to prove, just tell us. And I'm like, man,
Speaker 5: I didn't have anything to do with this stuff.
Speaker 10: Now charge me with whatever you want to.
Speaker 13: I did not know her, and I did not kill
Speaker 13: her or rape or burn or any of that other
Speaker 13: stuff that y'all said.
Speaker 6: This can't be real life.
Speaker 7: It can't be.
Speaker 3: And I know that that right there was a crock
Speaker 3: of shit.
Speaker 10: But that makes me think that all this is freaking
Speaker 10: fake as hell.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: But the kbi's tactics worked After weeks of interrogations at
Speaker 1: the hotel and elsewhere, they got the confessions they were
Speaker 1: looking for, first from Victoria, who, over the course of
Speaker 1: at least six interviews with the KBI, goes from having
Speaker 1: only heard about the murder and possible suspects to actually
Speaker 1: witnessing the kidnapping, rape and killing of Jessica and participating
Speaker 1: in the abuse of her dead body then Venetia for
Speaker 1: seven years. Venetia told police that she did not see
Speaker 1: Jessica after they said goodbye that Saturday night in two thousand. Now,
Speaker 1: after at least two separate days of KBI interrogations, her
Speaker 1: story resembles Victoria's.
Speaker 3: He has closely done anything just to just.
Speaker 1: She says she actually went looking for Jessica that night,
Speaker 1: then ran into Tamra Victoria, Jeff and Quincy and.
Speaker 15: That he was rubbing honor and touching onner and stuff
Speaker 15: and told her if she had co operated, he was
Speaker 15: gonna put events away.
Speaker 1: Venetia is slumped in her chair. She looks exhausted, shrunken,
Speaker 1: and you can hear her trying to find the right words.
Speaker 3: Nobody struca, nobody did anything hit her. You didn't say
Speaker 3: that though I asked you, Oh, I asked you what
Speaker 3: happened to just in that car?
Speaker 1: Changing her answers according to the response from agents O'Neill
Speaker 1: and wise.
Speaker 3: You sure times Rockland, it's Quincystrican, Well, thank you.
Speaker 1: She eventually says they did drugs and took Jessica to
Speaker 1: Jeff's house. Then Quincy and the others raped her. But
Speaker 1: the agents are not satisfied with just saying rape. They
Speaker 1: need details, graphic details.
Speaker 3: I want you to see it. What was he doing
Speaker 3: to her?
Speaker 2: And they keep asking about semen.
Speaker 3: I'm a saying was on her body? Who put it there?
Speaker 1: I want to point out that this line of questioning
Speaker 1: might make sense in a rape case where a body
Speaker 1: was covered in.
Speaker 11: Fluidscident ejaculated all over our body, right, and y'all still
Speaker 11: kissing on the rubbing on the ride.
Speaker 6: I'm a right.
Speaker 1: But in the case of Jessica Curran, there was no
Speaker 1: evidence of rape or a sexual assault on Jessica's body,
Speaker 1: and especially no seamen. There are glaring inconsistencies in Victoria
Speaker 1: and Venetia's statements, like Venetia cannot confidently say if Quincy,
Speaker 1: Jeff or Tamra struck Jessica with any object, But Victoria
Speaker 1: says Quincy hits Jessica in the head with a mini
Speaker 1: baseball bat while in the car, and they buried the
Speaker 1: bat in her sister Rosy's yard, But when the KBI
Speaker 1: went to search Rosy's yard, they only found a wrench,
Speaker 1: to which Victoria then changes her story to add that
Speaker 1: Quincy also hit Jessica with a wrench in the house.
Speaker 2: The bat was never recovered.
Speaker 1: A note on this timeline of the crime, though Quincy
Speaker 1: had to have committed the kidnapping, rape, and murder of
Speaker 1: Jessica current in the time he left the party at
Speaker 1: daybreak and when he was spotted by the deputy jailer
Speaker 1: around seven forty a m possible, sure, but very tight
Speaker 1: and there are big holes in the kbis theory that
Speaker 1: all these people assaulted and killed Jessica. First, there were
Speaker 1: no fingerprints or DNA linking any of them to the murder.
Speaker 1: In fact, Quincy's DNA and clothing were tested shortly after
Speaker 1: Jessica's death in two thousand and nothing from Quincy matches
Speaker 1: the crime scene. On top of that, the only thing
Speaker 1: that links Qui to the scene of the crime is
Speaker 1: the fragment of a braided belt found near Jessica's neck,
Speaker 1: yet we don't know for a fact that's Quincy's belt,
Speaker 1: And investigators desperately tried to find evidence to prove their
Speaker 1: theory of the crime, searching everywhere from vehicles to houses.
Speaker 1: Law enforcement even exhumed Jessica's body to retest for evidence,
Speaker 1: and nothing, none exists matching any of these people to
Speaker 1: Jessica's death or crime scene.
Speaker 2: And there's one other glaring red flag.
Speaker 4: I didn't know Quincy into two thousand and two, so
Speaker 4: how could I have something to do with it?
Speaker 10: In this case?
Speaker 1: Happened in two thousand Remember I told you Tamar and
Speaker 1: Quincy met while she was visiting her brother in jail.
Speaker 1: That was two years after Jessica's death. Quincy and Tamra
Speaker 1: maintained and to this day they did not know each other.
Speaker 1: In two thousand and I.
Speaker 14: Feel I don't know Jeff Burton Quincy Cross.
Speaker 5: I didn't know him, didn't hang around him.
Speaker 1: Jeff says he had never even met Quincy and he
Speaker 1: only knew Tamra from school. Despite there being no physical evidence,
Speaker 1: flimsy stories, inconsistencies, suspects not even knowing each other at
Speaker 1: the time, of the murder and adamant claims of innocence.
Speaker 1: The KBI brought that case to the Attorney General's office,
Speaker 1: and under Greg Stumbo's leadership, the state of Kentucky moved
Speaker 1: forward to try Quincy Cross as a depraved, evil man.
Speaker 14: There's no doubt in my mind that we called the
Speaker 14: right person. There's no evidence that would lead to you
Speaker 14: anywhere else. I mean, you have a direct eyewitness account
Speaker 14: of what happened.
Speaker 2: Seven years after Jessica Kurrn was killed. Venetia Stubblefield, Victoria Caldwell,
Speaker 2: Tamra Caldwell, Jeff Burton, and Quincy Cross were arrested, charged
Speaker 2: and indicted based largely on the accounts of two girls
Speaker 2: and circumstantial evidence. That's it. That's all the prosecution had.
Speaker 1: And at trial, cracks in those stories start to split,
Speaker 1: until the entire prosecution's case is left with gate thing holes.
Speaker 2: That's after the break.
Speaker 6: All right, good morning, let me go through the rome.
Speaker 6: Make sure we've got everyone here that's supposed.
Speaker 3: To be here.
Speaker 1: Quincy was the first to go to trial in spring
Speaker 1: of two thousand and eight. By then, news of Jessica's
Speaker 1: death and the salacious story behind it had spread through
Speaker 1: Graves County, so the judge agreed to move the trial
Speaker 1: to Hickman County to avoid any kind of bias. The
Speaker 1: jury from Graves could.
Speaker 6: Have all right, it is Commonwealth for ready to proceed.
Speaker 1: The small courthouse was full and it was tense. On
Speaker 1: one side, there was Quincy's relatives sitting in complete disbelief
Speaker 1: that he was being accused of such crimes, and on
Speaker 1: the other Jessica's loved ones with eight years of pent
Speaker 1: up frustration and pain.
Speaker 6: Commonwealth lacked to make an opening statement.
Speaker 1: The lead prosecutor on Quincy's case was Assistant Attorney General
Speaker 1: Barbara Mainz Whaley, but.
Speaker 10: It took a long long time to get people to
Speaker 10: talk about this.
Speaker 2: Because of their fear Wayey is a career prosecutor.
Speaker 1: She's been Assistant Attorney General since nineteen eighty two and
Speaker 1: is said to be one of the most experienced prosecutors
Speaker 1: in the Commonwealth. Some people may know her from being
Speaker 1: one of the special prosecutors to investigate police officers in
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty killing of Breonna Taylor. Wailey was seeking
Speaker 1: the death penalty against Quincy. His defense attorneys only had
Speaker 1: about a year to prepare and the prosecution didn't make
Speaker 1: it easy. They dumped thousands of documents on the defense
Speaker 1: in the run up to trial.
Speaker 11: We're the dates of the items that there are given
Speaker 11: us go back as much as seven years.
Speaker 1: Quincy's attorney is complaining to the judge. He says, it's
Speaker 1: been virtually impossible to get through all the files to
Speaker 1: properly prepare for a death penalty case.
Speaker 14: I don't know if it's Chinese war to torture or
Speaker 14: death by ten thousand.
Speaker 3: Cuts one or to two.
Speaker 1: But the judge denied a motion for more time and
Speaker 1: the trial continued on schedule. And despite the advantage over
Speaker 1: the defense, Waley knew this would be a hard case
Speaker 1: because of how many players and stories there were.
Speaker 2: In her opening statement, she prepares the jury for.
Speaker 10: This Rumors build on rumors, and war rimers and talks
Speaker 10: read like wildfire in Bayfield.
Speaker 1: But the agents with the KBI were allegedly able to
Speaker 1: find the truth that on the early hours of Sunday,
Speaker 1: July thirtieth, two thousand, Tamer Caldwell, Victoria Caldwell, Venetia Stubblefield,
Speaker 1: Jeff Burton, and Quincy Cross picked up Jessica Curran and
Speaker 1: took her to Jeff Burton's house, where they raped and
Speaker 1: killed her in a drug fueled haze. Quincy then forced
Speaker 1: the girls to have sex with Jessica's dead body. Then
Speaker 1: they stored her body in Jeff's garage until she was
Speaker 1: moved and set.
Speaker 2: On fire with gas lane and set on fire.
Speaker 1: Outside the middle school a day later on Monday following
Speaker 1: She was found the following day on Tuesday. One of
Speaker 1: the first witnesses, Barbara Willie Calls, is the state medical
Speaker 1: examiner at the time of Jessica's death.
Speaker 2: He says, besides being burned and there.
Speaker 9: Were traumatic injuries on the head and face, and there
Speaker 9: were lacerations on.
Speaker 3: The back of the head.
Speaker 1: He says Jessica also had injuries similar to that of
Speaker 1: a stab wound, but he ruled her likely manner of
Speaker 1: death was blunt injury and strangulation. He admits there's no
Speaker 1: actual evidence of strength, but he says the other injuries
Speaker 1: on Jessica were not significant enough to cause death alone,
Speaker 1: plus the piece of belt found near her neck suggested strangulation.
Speaker 9: Basically, when everything was completed and looked at, that I
Speaker 9: thought was very significant in her cause of death.
Speaker 6: Get coding next waitness, Please, Venia, so you.
Speaker 1: Jessica's friends and family are called school personnel, investigators and
Speaker 1: locals from around town. They have partygoers from Chris Drive
Speaker 1: testify about seeing Quincy wave his belt around and talk
Speaker 1: about wanting to go find girls.
Speaker 2: The Victoria and Venetia are Whaley's star.
Speaker 1: Witnesses, and much like in their interrogations, their testimonies differ
Speaker 1: in key aspects at trial.
Speaker 2: After that we all got out the corn when I
Speaker 2: said that.
Speaker 1: In Venetia's story, Jessica walks in Jeff Burton's house.
Speaker 10: How did you get in the house? Ay?
Speaker 3: By it, I'll walk in there.
Speaker 1: Victoria, on the other hand, testifies that Jessica was knocked
Speaker 1: out and then carried inside the house.
Speaker 12: Quincy and Jeff carrie Jessica's body through the side at
Speaker 12: the side door.
Speaker 1: Discrepancies are to be expected when a case is eight
Speaker 1: years old and the women testifying routines at the time
Speaker 1: of the crime. But I will say messing up details
Speaker 1: like whether or not you carried an unconscious body inside
Speaker 1: the house is kind of major. But the prosecution had
Speaker 1: back up. They called Rosie to confirm what Victoria told
Speaker 1: the KBI that Quincy threatened Victoria to stay quiet. You
Speaker 1: heard the call earlier.
Speaker 2: I remember that he said he was gonna kill my sister.
Speaker 2: I remember that Victoria and the prosecution had another key
Speaker 2: piece of evidence, a diary that Victoria allegedly kept, where
Speaker 2: she detailed her life and the crime.
Speaker 6: I read August first.
Speaker 3: What does it say?
Speaker 12: It says Dann they found the body. I'm not sure
Speaker 12: what the other word says. I hope they don't find
Speaker 12: out it was us. Fuck man, It says Q is
Speaker 12: nowhere to be found. Jeff don't want to talk to me.
Speaker 12: This is bullshit, says fuck.
Speaker 6: I am out.
Speaker 1: The defense strategy was to question the validity of everything,
Speaker 1: from the diary to the prosecution sir, substantial evidence, to
Speaker 1: witness testimonies, and they were successful in some areas, like
Speaker 1: poking holes in Victoria's numerous stories.
Speaker 12: On some parts, yes, some parts now.
Speaker 1: The defense also called their own expert, the former Kentucky
Speaker 1: Chief Medical Examiner, to refute the questionable findings of strangulation.
Speaker 10: Are you able to provide in the jury a cause.
Speaker 3: Of death in this case?
Speaker 6: No, sir, I am not.
Speaker 16: There's no anatomic cause of death determined in this case.
Speaker 16: I can tell you that she could have been strangled,
Speaker 16: but there is no evidence that she was strangling.
Speaker 1: The defense's medical expert explains that a telltale sign of
Speaker 1: strangulation is bruising and a broken hyoid bone in the neck,
Speaker 1: which there was not.
Speaker 16: That there's no external documentation of any injury on the
Speaker 16: skin or the suputaneous tissues deep to the skin that
Speaker 16: shows any evidence that trauma was applied to the area.
Speaker 16: Now you can get strangulation injuries.
Speaker 2: The defense wanted to make four main points.
Speaker 1: First, the only thing tying Quincy to Jessica's death in
Speaker 1: any physical manner is a belt. Yet there's no evidence
Speaker 1: it's Quincy's. It was an extremely common two thousands belts.
Speaker 1: Even a witness at trial is wearing a similar belt
Speaker 1: and he points to.
Speaker 3: It a bright yes, certain sluck his rider.
Speaker 1: Second, if there's no certainty Jessica was strangled, then the
Speaker 1: jury cannot convict Quincy on the prosecution's theory of the case. Third,
Speaker 1: according to Victoria and Venetia, Jessica was killed early Sunday morning,
Speaker 1: and they put her body in Jeff's garage before driving
Speaker 1: her to the middle school and lighting her on fire
Speaker 1: Monday night. By the prosecution's own timeline, Quincy was in
Speaker 1: jail by the time they disposed and burned Jessica's body.
Speaker 1: He'd been arrested that Sunday morning on drug charges and
Speaker 1: stayed in jail for over a year. So their entire
Speaker 1: theory that Quincy smelling like gas linked him to Jessica
Speaker 1: makes no sense. In this timeline, him smelling like gas
Speaker 1: is meaningless. And fourth, law enforcement coerced witnesses into lying
Speaker 1: on Quincy.
Speaker 2: To prove that point. They called Rosie.
Speaker 1: Christ's Victoria's sister, and the prosecution's witness back on the
Speaker 1: stand was correct. The defense knew something important about Rosie
Speaker 1: that they wanted the jury to know.
Speaker 4: I was trying to tell them that I didn't have
Speaker 4: nothing to do and I didn't know nothing about this
Speaker 4: case or nothing like that.
Speaker 1: They told me I was lying before trial, Rosie says,
Speaker 1: she tried to recant to law enforcement, and.
Speaker 3: You kept trying to tell them the truth, and they
Speaker 3: wouldn't have said it.
Speaker 1: Yes, she testifies that they made her a lie, implicating
Speaker 1: Jeff Burton, her own cousin, Tamra Caldwell, and Quincy Cross.
Speaker 15: Quincy Cross every threatened year no, okay, digreat Victorian, did
Speaker 15: you know?
Speaker 3: No, that's all I had.
Speaker 2: When Prosecutor Scott Sutherland counters, Rosie is defiant.
Speaker 6: Oh miss christ.
Speaker 2: Today, I really don't carery about going to jail, Scott,
Speaker 2: so you can ask me what you wanted to up Jack.
Speaker 10: But we approach you.
Speaker 1: Rosie shifts in her chair, shakes her head and scrunches
Speaker 1: her face in anger.
Speaker 2: But she stands her ground.
Speaker 10: So I'm gonna I.
Speaker 3: Ask you again. Are you lying today? Are you lying
Speaker 3: the other day about.
Speaker 6: The other day?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 6: I'm not lying today.
Speaker 5: And I wanted to touch you with all the time
Speaker 5: you guys have to stop me.
Speaker 1: But in such a long trial, with so many facts
Speaker 1: and discrepancies, it becomes nearly impossible to follow what is
Speaker 1: going on, especially with so many objections, redirects and sidebars.
Speaker 10: Objection, objection, objection, objection, objection.
Speaker 1: With so much confusion, the prosecution new to always direct
Speaker 1: the attention back to the belt.
Speaker 14: A distinctive felt not a unique belt by any means,
Speaker 14: and the gas Metalie.
Speaker 2: Strongly, and ye, don't look at the distractions, the different stories,
Speaker 2: the half truths, the recantation. Look here, look at the
Speaker 2: guy who was talking about finding girls, waving his belt around,
Speaker 2: smelling like gas. And so, after deliberating for only three
Speaker 2: hours and forty five minutes, eleven white jurors and one
Speaker 2: black juror found beyond a reasonable doubt that Quincy Cross
Speaker 2: murdered Jessica currn.
Speaker 15: Well. I cried, man, I cried with my dad.
Speaker 7: They let my dad in.
Speaker 15: In a room in the back, and I cried with
Speaker 15: my dad.
Speaker 1: At Quincy's sentencing, assistant prosecutor Scott Sutherland asked the jury
Speaker 1: to show Quincy no mercy. He said, I would ask
Speaker 1: you to look at this heinous crime and ask yourselves,
Speaker 1: if not now, then when. If not Quincy Cross, then
Speaker 1: who He deserves nothing less than the ultimate punishment in
Speaker 1: this case, a sentence of death.
Speaker 9: I don't believe in the death penalty, but.
Speaker 2: That's not what Joe Kurrn, Jessica's father wanted.
Speaker 9: I don't feel like a person should die killing another
Speaker 9: person because another person died, don't bring back the person
Speaker 9: that died. If I killed somebody else and that brang
Speaker 9: my daughter back, I killed the first person I see
Speaker 9: because I want her back that bad. But he's not
Speaker 9: going to bring her back.
Speaker 1: Ultimately, Quincy was sentenced to life in prison without parole.
Speaker 1: Quincy says, before trial, prosecutors offered him a deal of
Speaker 1: twenty five years.
Speaker 2: What did they want you to say?
Speaker 15: To tell Alow on Camra and Jeffrey.
Speaker 14: I didn't even ask him what they wanted me to say,
Speaker 14: none of that.
Speaker 6: So we didn't even get that far because I ain't
Speaker 6: that type of person.
Speaker 1: And after trial, Quincy's attorney asked him if you wanted
Speaker 1: to see if the deal was still good, but he
Speaker 1: said no.
Speaker 2: So you were like, I will take a life sentence.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie about.
Speaker 15: These people, right, You're exactly right, I will, and.
Speaker 3: That's what I did.
Speaker 1: Tamra and jeff were set to go to trial after Quincy,
Speaker 1: and they were scared, you know, well, first.
Speaker 2: As gung hole, like yeah, you know, let's stay lying
Speaker 2: on me.
Speaker 6: All this stuff.
Speaker 5: I'm ready to face whatever. And then after that, I
Speaker 5: just broke my spirit. I'm like, oh my god, they're
Speaker 5: gonna do the same thing to me. I ain't never
Speaker 5: gonna get out of here. And if it's my kids,
Speaker 5: ain't all this different shit, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: So now I'm like starting a question, man, even though
Speaker 5: you didn't say you are going to prison.
Speaker 9: They don't fucking matter.
Speaker 5: So they kind of broke my spirit a lot, Like
Speaker 5: it really took.
Speaker 6: A lot out of me.
Speaker 1: Jeff and Tamra decided to take plea deals to avoid
Speaker 1: a life sentence and possibly the death penalty. Jeff was
Speaker 1: sentenced to fifteen years and Tamera ten. Victoria and Venetia
Speaker 1: pled guilty. Victoria was sentenced to a total of five
Speaker 1: years and Venetia seven.
Speaker 2: They only served a few months. After years of fighting,
Speaker 2: Jessica Kurrn's family finally saw her accused killers punished, but
Speaker 2: instead of feeling a sense of relief, Joe Kurran felt uneasy.
Speaker 9: I felt in my gut that something wasn't right.
Speaker 2: That's because something wasn't that's after the break. Do you
Speaker 2: ever have moments where you forget that this is part
Speaker 2: of your life?
Speaker 3: No, Malwell Neilwell.
Speaker 1: After the trial and conviction, Quincy's family was left to
Speaker 1: reckon with their own loss.
Speaker 15: It's just like toting the two thousand pound weight on
Speaker 15: your back every day.
Speaker 6: No, never forget it, never off my mind.
Speaker 1: On any given date, you can find Quincy's dad sitting
Speaker 1: on his porch. Posted behind where he sits is a
Speaker 1: sign that reads private property owner is too old to fight,
Speaker 1: too fat to run, too lazy to argue. The image
Speaker 1: is of two handguns. David Cross isn't fat or lazy,
Speaker 1: though old is fair. He's in his early seventies now,
Speaker 1: but his hair, styled in a flat top, is still
Speaker 1: perfectly jet black. David grew up here right on Cross Street,
Speaker 1: forty minutes outside of Mayfield, just over the border, in
Speaker 1: a small town in Tennessee.
Speaker 15: My grandparents just lived down there at the end of the.
Speaker 1: Street, David says. Cross Street is named after his family.
Speaker 1: They've been here for generations.
Speaker 15: That was our school house right around the corner.
Speaker 2: He points to an abandoned cottage down the little dirt road.
Speaker 3: This was it.
Speaker 6: See, he was segregation back then, you know.
Speaker 15: This was the black school.
Speaker 3: This is where I went to.
Speaker 15: School for eight years.
Speaker 2: David raised his kids here.
Speaker 1: Quincy grew up roaming the fields, playing with tadpoles and
Speaker 1: snapping turtles. David Cross's boy, who he hasn't seen since
Speaker 1: before the pandemic. Quincy's imprison four hundred and fifty miles
Speaker 1: away on the other side of Kentucky bordering Virginia.
Speaker 2: So getting there is difficult.
Speaker 15: You can't imagine, you know, you just want to break
Speaker 15: down and cry, but it would do no good.
Speaker 1: Instead, like Joe Curran, David Cross decided to fight. He's
Speaker 1: spent thousands of dollars defending Quincy. He's hired lawyers and
Speaker 1: private investigators to try and prove his son is innocent.
Speaker 1: Darro Woman, my trusted source, is one of the people
Speaker 1: David worked with to help clear Quincy's name. When Dara
Speaker 1: found Quincy's case, it came with his whole family, with
Speaker 1: loved ones who stood by him through the years, which
Speaker 1: I can tell you from my experience in this line of.
Speaker 2: Work, it's actually rare.
Speaker 1: Incarcerated people are usually forgotten, but instead Quincy has gained
Speaker 1: new family.
Speaker 15: She's really something special. I gotta say that, she's really
Speaker 15: something special.
Speaker 17: For over three years now, we've spoken literally almost every day.
Speaker 15: I won't say every day, but.
Speaker 2: She's persistent.
Speaker 6: I got a question we ask out.
Speaker 1: If you're noticing it sounds like there's an audience, it's
Speaker 1: because there is. On one of these visits, I didn't
Speaker 1: just meet with David alone on my first trip. He
Speaker 1: brought the whole gang, his wife Mary, Quincy's biological mom,
Speaker 1: Quincy's sister. I think an aunt and a cousin were
Speaker 1: there too. There were also at least two private investigators
Speaker 1: and Dara on the floor sitting cross leg filming like
Speaker 1: a proud mom. And there was another person there.
Speaker 2: All right, So Joe, we're going to be over here joke.
Speaker 9: I like to think we got the right person because
Speaker 9: he's been in a lot of time in prison, but
Speaker 9: evidence don't show he's the right person.
Speaker 15: Mister Karen, I knew he knew something was wrong, him
Speaker 15: and his family knew something was wrong.
Speaker 1: After trial, Joe Curran should have felt like a weight
Speaker 1: was lifted off his shoulders his daughter's murderer convicted, But
Speaker 1: the nagging feeling wouldn't leave him.
Speaker 9: Then when you start looking to the case, Quincy's from
Speaker 9: another town, he didn't know my daughter.
Speaker 6: You got to have a motive, You.
Speaker 9: Got to have an opportunity, you got to have I
Speaker 9: like his five things or the case is not a case. Well,
Speaker 9: I just couldn't figure out five things on him that
Speaker 9: would make him from another town, hadn't been involved with her,
Speaker 9: didn't know her, but he's supposed to come up here
Speaker 9: and killed her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so early on, you realate this doesn't make sense.
Speaker 9: It didn't make sense.
Speaker 1: A few years after the conviction, David hired a private
Speaker 1: investigator and had him reach out to Joe. He wanted
Speaker 1: the investigator to show Joe some of the concerns he
Speaker 1: had about his son killing Joe's daughter.
Speaker 15: So when we started sharing information and really looking at
Speaker 15: what the evidence really was, then I think we started talking.
Speaker 1: You know, they would get together and go over everything,
Speaker 1: would you say, your friends?
Speaker 15: Yes, And a lot of people think that me and
Speaker 15: mister Karen are an odd couple. But here's the way
Speaker 15: I see it. Here's my definition of it. Me and
Speaker 15: mister Karen want the same thing. Mister Karen won't justice
Speaker 15: for his daughter Jessica, and I want justice for my son,
Speaker 15: Quincy Cross.
Speaker 9: If Quincy Cross didn't do this, he's the last person
Speaker 9: I want in there. And I don't want the others
Speaker 9: to have went through what they went through if they innocent.
Speaker 9: So if he didn't do it, who did.
Speaker 1: Over the years, Joe, David and their team of pis
Speaker 1: including Dara, went back to the beginning, to the original investigation,
Speaker 1: and they think they pinpointed where things derailed.
Speaker 15: I'm sure you done read a whole lot about Susan Gallbert,
Speaker 15: oh lady with a big mouth that spewed nothing but lie.
Speaker 1: They discovered Susan wasn't just a busy body housewife looking
Speaker 1: for something to do. I told you that in the
Speaker 1: immediate aftermath of Jessica's death, Victoria came forward with a
Speaker 1: story different than the one she told at trial.
Speaker 2: But it wasn't just a different version of the trial story.
Speaker 1: She actually implicated two completely different people. I've been told
Speaker 1: that the answers in this case are somewhere in the
Speaker 1: beginning in the first cops to look into Jessica's death
Speaker 1: and the very first people arrested for this crime. But
Speaker 1: the investigation into those people ended when Susan Goalbreath homed
Speaker 1: in on Quincy Cross.
Speaker 15: She just kept writing scenarios till they thought it fit
Speaker 15: the scenario how this thing played.
Speaker 2: Out, and the KBI and prosecution ran with her stories.
Speaker 17: What bothers me is it comes back to the fact
Speaker 17: that the police, the Commonwealth, the state of Kentucky, they
Speaker 17: let her have all of this power. As far as
Speaker 17: I'm concerned, Susan Galvar thank got a goddamn thing to
Speaker 17: do with fucking shit with this case, rather than being
Speaker 17: a roadblock for there to be actual justice.
Speaker 2: Susan Golbreeth also knew there were two people arrested in
Speaker 2: the initial Mayfield Police investigation, and one of those people
Speaker 2: she had close ties to. That's next time.
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