WEBVTT - Chapter 3 | Persons of Interest 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:07.800 Heads up, this series contains graphic descriptions of violence. So Quincy, 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:09.360 I have a couple questions that are going to be 0:00:09.520 --> 0:00:10.600 difficult questions. 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:12.640 It basically comes down to that night. 0:00:14.000 --> 0:00:14.960 Giv I giv. 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:19.279 In one of my calls with Quincy Cross, I brought 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:22.880 up the concerns you heard last episode about the gas, 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:26.400 the belt, and his demeanor the night Jessica went missing. 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:32.239 These three things made Citizen Investigator Susan Galbreath home in 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:36.640 on Quincy and make him suspect number one on her list. 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:42.080 Not only that prosecutors would use these details in their 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:45.640 case against Quincy as proof of his guilt. 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:50.879 He was pouring gas into the car with Debbie Perkins bandied, 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:53.800 and he didn't have a belt. 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:55.960 Or sure. 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:05.640 When I spoke to Quincy, his story remained relatively unchanged. 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:09.319 He went to a small party, borrowed a car, and 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:12.560 left around daybreak to go find something to eat. He 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:16.280 got lost and then the car broke down. Where did 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:17.600 you get the gas can? 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:24.200 Do? Yeah, I'm bailed. It was a pall on something else. 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:26.640 Goss just ship there. 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:30.959 He says he got the can and started filling the tank. 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:35.000 Then a deputy jailer stopped by to help and saw 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:38.880 him spilling gas on his pants. As far as wanting 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:42.240 to find girls that night, he says, yeah, he brought 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:43.080 that up at the party. 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:45.560 It was full of guys. 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:48.360 Like a whole bunch of boots I can find. 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:55.400 So maybe that's what people at the party remembered. And 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:59.200 the missing belt, he thinks maybe he left it at 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:01.400 the house when he dozed off on the couch. 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:03.880 That wanted to. 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:06.800 Get him off the edge of the couch and hill. 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:07.120 On the couch. 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:14.160 These answers are unsatisfying, and they don't look great if 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:18.000 I'm being honest, But they would concern me more if 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:29.680 the case against Quincy weren't so flimsy, Because when you 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:34.880 look deeper into the actual evidence presented at Quincy's trial 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:39.200 and the story the prosecution told about how Jessica was killed, 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:45.679 these two details lose their damning power, and I'd go 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:49.920 as far as saying they don't even matter at all. 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:45.560 This is Graves County, Chapter three, Persons of Interest. After 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:50.760 interviewing Quincy under false pretenses, Susan Golbreath was going to 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:55.119 get him for Jessica Curran's murder. She knew it was him. 0:03:55.640 --> 0:04:00.080 The gas the belt. It made too much sense. They 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:04.120 just needed to figure out how, why, and with whom. 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:07.920 One of the things Susan did next was find the 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:10.920 names of exactly who all had been at the party 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:13.960 at Chris Drive, the same one Quincy was at the 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:16.839 night of the murder. It was a small gathering, but 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:19.200 it was one of many on that street that night, 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:23.520 so people came and went. Susan started by going over 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:27.440 original police interviews from the days after Jessica's body was 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:29.680 found on August first, two thousand. 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:35.120 I immediately started laying out the transcripts, and if I've 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:36.560 talked too much, I apologize. 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:37.680 I have a bad habit of it. 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:42.719 But during trial, Susan recalls that in the transcripts, partygoers 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:46.240 mentioned two guests whose names remained a mystery. 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:50.040 These two white boys doped by five Mine seven Chris Try, 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:53.840 So for some reason, I thought they were so they 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:56.880 were important because they kept asking about him. 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:00.520 One party goer told police that the two guys had 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:06.160 come from a nearby gathering, but they only stayed for 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:12.719 a minute or two. Through some digging, Susan says, she 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:16.760 managed to identify them. Then she called the Kentucky State Police. 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:21.080 I had called Sam Steeter and I said, look, I said, 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:23.800 I got the name of those two white boys with 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:25.360 Jeffrey Burton. 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:31.560 Jeff Burton, a scrawny guy from around town who was 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:34.440 close to his mom, grew up going to church and 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:38.440 playing baseball, though like many in Mayfield, he went through 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:41.839 a rough patch. He quit high school, got busted for drugs, 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:45.440 and got into fights. But by the time Susan found 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:47.919 his name, he was in his mid twenties with a 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:52.080 wife and three kids, getting his life together and mostly 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:56.200 keeping to himself. In a two thousand and seven email 0:05:56.240 --> 0:06:00.839 to journalist Tom Mangold, Susan reveals what had interest. 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:04.440 At her about Jeff. A colleague will be reading Susan's emails. 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:08.280 I had found out earlier that Burton's house was near 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:11.719 the middle school. I quit focusing on what I already 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:14.160 knew and went after what I didn't know. 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:18.200 Jeff's house was close to the middle school where Jessica's 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:21.200 body was found. Susan writes that she went to Jeff's 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:24.040 house ready to knock on the door. She wanted to 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:26.640 know what he was up to the night of the murder. 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:30.880 Long story short, I finally found Burton's house I was 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:31.680 so excited. 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:34.400 I pulled my But when Susan arrived to the house, 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:39.160 there was no one living there. It was completely abandoned, 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:41.600 she writes Tom. 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:44.360 As I walked around the house, I saw a garage. 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:48.159 It was so eerie I could see inside the house. 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:51.000 She walks back to the garage. 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:54.560 The air was still. There were houses close by, but 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:58.440 it felt as though time stood still. The driveway and 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:02.560 garage were totally surrounded by brush and foliage. 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:03.679 She creeps closer. 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:07.240 I crept over to the door and was overwhelmed with 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:10.680 the feeling of dread. I didn't go in for fear 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:14.280 of changing the scene. I was so excited. I knew 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:19.560 I had finally found where they had Jessica. I knew 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:23.120 this house was connected to her. It's hard to explain 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:26.400 another spiritual moment. 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:35.080 Perhaps up until then, the police had maintained that Jessica 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:38.520 was attacked and killed at the middle school, according to 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:41.760 records I've reviewed. Susan also had it as the crime 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:46.000 scene in her murder theories, but in this email to Tom, 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:49.120 Susan expresses that once she got to Jeff's house, she 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:52.480 just knew it was connected to Jessica's death. 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:55.520 I told Lee Wise about everything, and he told me 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:58.120 he would check into it on his next trip into town. 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:01.920 Susan shared her new theory with law enforcement, and sure 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:05.840 enough that winter agents also visited Jeff's house. 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:09.640 We're in the city of Mayfield, Kentucky present and the 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:15.240 vehicle is myself, David James, Agent bible'neil, agent Lee Wise. 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:18.440 The agents recorded the visit, but by that time it 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:19.400 had been demolished. 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:23.840 This would be the house where Jeff Burton resided. 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:25.440 The house is now gone. 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:29.520 And what you hear in these tapes seven years after 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:33.920 Jessica's murder is a shift in the official murder theory. 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:37.880 The crime scene is no longer the middle school. 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:41.400 This is a house where they took Jessica to she 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:42.480 was allegedly killed. 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:47.280 Also, up until this point, the police didn't have a 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:51.160 reason to believe Jessica had been raped or sexually assaulted. 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:55.520 They hadn't found any physical evidence of it, like trauma 0:08:55.559 --> 0:09:00.320 on her body that suggested assault or seamen. Because because 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:04.120 her underwear was found ripped laying next to her, it 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:09.360 was a possibility one that Susan and Tom jumped onto 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:11.920 and which you heard last episode. 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:15.080 We were pretty certain by now that Quincy Cross, together 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:18.440 with other accomplices, had murdered Jessica in a sex and 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:23.040 drugs frenzy, but they hadn't been able to corroborate their hunch. 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:27.000 So in two thousand and seven, when Victoria Caledwell responded 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:31.360 to Susan's friend request on MySpace, Susan was elated and 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:32.719 let Victoria. 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:34.400 Know, you just gave me goosebumps. 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:34.640 Hun. 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:37.800 Of course I can help you, she replied to Victoria. 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:40.840 I'll do anything I can for you. I promise you. 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:44.280 I'm sitting here with tears rolling down my face. I 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:47.680 had no idea. I have friends in high places, Hun, 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:50.720 and I can probably help you a lot. In fact, 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:51.600 I know I can. 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:58.600 Susan was convinced Victoria was the key to cracking the 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:03.640 case against Quincy Cross US because Victoria had been tangentially 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:06.120 involved in this case from the beginning. 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:10.559 I'm at the math the high school in the conference 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.240 room outside of time for the robbers, president as myself, 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:17.719 Detective m Fortner, and also Victoria Caldwell. 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:22.480 Just days after Jessica's death, Victoria told police she heard 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:24.319 people talking about killing. 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:27.680 Jessica at the core because that'll it. 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:32.079 But then she moved to California and virtually disappeared from 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:38.400 the case until two thousand and six, when she emerged again. First, 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:41.840 she called the state police to say she'd overheard relevant 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:46.240 information about the Jessica Current murder. Then she made contact 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:48.720 with Susan, saying she knew things. 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:50.079 That could put her in danger. 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:54.800 By this time, a third investigative agency had taken over 0:10:54.840 --> 0:11:00.520 the case, the Kentucky Bureau of Investigation, or KBI. Susan 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:03.599 built a rapport with them like she did with our predecessors, 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:08.240 and on Susan's tip, the KBI traveled to California to 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:10.599 interview Victoria Caldwell. 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:17.400 As day is more than twelve to tho thousand and 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:19.480 seven and it's. 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:21.040 You. 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:23.800 I'll visit to the side of Maria trying to flowing 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:28.680 adiators too in like this interview with was Victoria Budwell. 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:34.160 Victoria Caldwell sounds and looks like a young girl, even 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:36.839 though she was twenty two when the KBI first spoke 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:37.160 to her. 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:39.760 There's an innocence to her tone. 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:42.960 Oh normally start from beginning, Yeah, okay. 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:46.800 She has a bashful gaze and chubby cheeks that enhance 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:51.640 her childlike features. During the interview, Victoria says she felt 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:56.320 unsafe in Mayfield. She tells the KBI Quincy had threatened 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:59.360 her over the phone to stay quiet about anything she 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:01.600 may have over herd about Jessica's murder. 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:04.000 Yeah, you know, you know it was my bet around 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:06.600 her neck, you met it was And I was just 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:09.719 like no, no, no, I don't know anything. And he 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:11.880 just kept said, you know, you know, he said, you mad, 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:15.200 you make you disappear, And I was like, okay, like 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:16.440 that's a panic. 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:21.000 In this interview, Victoria told the KBI that he'd been 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:24.480 threatening her for over a year, and even though she 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:27.480 didn't have his threats on tape, there was a recording 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:31.640 of her sister Rosie, telling Victoria that Quincy was after 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:39.480 her in May two thousand and six. Rosie is saying, 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:45.920 Quincy is going to kill your motherfucking ass. The KBI 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:49.960 took these threats seriously, so the agents moved Victoria from 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:55.280 California to North Carolina and into state witness protection, and 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:59.760 soon after, authorities would blast Quincy's face and name in 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:04.200 the local news as an armed and dangerous suspect wanted 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:06.120 for the murder of Jessica Current. 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:10.840 Hello, mister Sumbo get to see you. 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:12.000 Hi, Maggie. 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:12.520 How are you. 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:15.520 I am well, so, like Rebecca said, my internet's kind 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:17.280 of slow over here, so I'm probably going to turn. 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:19.760 The reason these state agents got involved in the first 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:21.319 place was Greg Stumbo. 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:26.760 Mayfield's not known for having violent crimes, and it's a 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:29.400 little sleepy down in Kentucky or you know, everybody sort 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:35.160 of knows everybody. It's a farming community, and this type 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:40.240 of crime was obviously not something that happens very very often. 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:44.720 Stumbo served thirty six years in public office, including four 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:47.680 as the Attorney General of Kentucky from two thousand and 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:50.920 four to two thousand and eight, the years when Susan 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:54.400 started looking into the case and working with the state police. 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:59.240 While on the campaign trail, Stumbo met Jessica's dad, Joe Curran, 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:01.880 at a political event, and Joe. 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:04.920 Sought me out and told me about his daughter's tragic 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:06.640 death and it hadn't been solved. 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:11.040 Joe had been marching and demanding that law enforcement solve 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:12.280 his daughter's case. 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:15.080 We went to see the county attorney, we went to 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:18.160 see the police chief, we went to see the sheriff. 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:22.320 And now he had the ear of the potential state 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:26.840 Attorney General. Stumbo made a promise to Joe, and. 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:29.560 I told Joe current that day, I said, if I'm elected, 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:31.520 I will do my best to solve that case. 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:34.840 Stumbo won and he did exactly that. 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:38.280 This guy decided to do something on it, so we 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:42.760 would have regular meetings with my KBI Commissioner, David James. 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:51.120 Stumbo revamped the investigative unit the Attorney General's office had 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:51.800 at the time. 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:54.600 We changed the name. 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:58.120 I liked the name, the Kentucky Breau Investigation and make 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:01.760 them a more effective investigating unit. 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:08.360 They tackled major crimes like drug trafficking, fraud, and public corruption. 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:13.840 The KBI wasn't formed to solve homicides, but Stumbo had 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:17.920 made a promise to Joe Kurrn the KBI was on it. 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:22.680 The man Stumbo chose to lead the agency happened to 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:26.000 be black, and he thought it would be beneficial to 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:30.960 send black agents to Mayfield. He figured black agents would 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:34.080 have more success getting people to open up than the 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:36.880 previous white law enforcement officers. 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:38.640 But just so happened. 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:42.760 We had two very good African American agents and they 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:46.720 were big guys, you know, big impressive, fooking guys. We 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:50.960 sent them down there, and sure enough, the local people 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:55.160 in the African American community who had knowledge about that crime, 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:58.640 who were afraid to talk to the Mayfield police about 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:02.400 it or the Kentucky State officers, began spill into veins. 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:04.720 Like Victoria Caldwell. 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:07.560 They confronted her, she wrote down, tell the whole. 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:13.720 Story, the story that would end up implicating herself, Jeff Burton, Tammer, Caldwell, 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:22.880 Venetia's Doublefield, and Quincy Cross. But the agents had never 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:27.960 investigated a homicide. They were two former narcotics cops who 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:32.720 used a series of unorthodox tactics to elicit several confessions. 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:36.480 And these tactics start with the place they conducted some 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:39.200 of their key interviews and. 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:45.280 Presently located in the conference room of the Sweets located. 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:49.880 In Paducah, Kentucky, the Drury Inn and Suites in Paducah, Kentucky. 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:54.520 Not a police station, but a modest hotel about thirty 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:58.160 minutes from Mayfield, the kind of place with free hot breakfast, 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:02.320 seventy style looking conference rooms, and limited surveillance. 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:05.240 They never did bring me my rights or anything. They 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:08.439 just had me get in the car, and I was like, well, 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:10.400 where am I going. They would not tell me where 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:14.520 I was going at all until I got there. I 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:16.119 thought that I was going through the police station. 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:20.879 Tamer Caldwell was among their persons of interest. She's Victoria's cousin, 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:25.000 the homebody who never went anywhere without her babies and 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:27.960 who dated Quincy Cross. He was great with her kids. 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:32.280 Victoria had implicated both of them and her interviews with 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:36.320 the KBI, and now they were being questioned by law enforcement, 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:40.840 including two agents who made it clear that they already 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:41.679 knew the truth. 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:44.840 They just needed their suspects to confirm it. 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:48.399 Don't you know we already know. 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:50.280 I know, y'all know what. 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:54.560 Lee Wise takes the lead, imposing and commanding. 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:59.560 You look so pathetic, faking those who is rocking in 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:02.800 that and telling them lie here. 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:06.720 Look, I don't know a fool agent. 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:10.120 Bab O'Neil is mild mannered and more reserved. 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:13.880 Okay, Quincy, you have the right to remain silent. Anything 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:16.240 you say Cannon will be held against you in the court. 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:19.160 With these rights in mind, do you wish to talk 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:19.920 with us now? 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:21.920 Sure? All right? 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:26.320 Quincy actually turned himself in after seeing his name and 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:28.640 face on the news, so you. 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:29.960 Know, and I ain't never been the type of wrong, 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:32.960 so I ain't dope, So I'll bet off try to 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:35.000 myself in you know what I mean, I'd rather come 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:35.840 to you instead. 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:42.280 Having looked at me, Quincy and everyone else who was 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:45.920 taken to the drury and in sweets went willingly. No 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:49.440 one was under arrest, and no one had an attorney present. 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:53.080 Tammer tells me she was questioned for hours. 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:56.960 On end forever. I'm talking about like nine dn't at words. 0:18:57.520 --> 0:19:02.840 The interviews turned interrogations are confusing, chaotic and taxing. 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:05.960 You hear what I said, you cry, but your eyes. 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:11.400 You're sitting there knowing what you've done, done for your 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:17.359 entire life. If you're lying and you're not accustomed to 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:21.240 be hailed accountable for your actions. 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:28.159 In this clip, they're yelling at Tamera while she weeps. 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:32.560 She's wearing a colored blue and white pinstriped shirt, her 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:35.040 hair is in a side pony, and she looks like 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:39.080 a little girl. She's trapped alone in a hotel room 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:43.720 with law enforcement, thirty minutes from home and very few people. 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:52.520 If anyone knows she's there, oh, terrified. 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:55.920 That would tell me if you don't tell the truth, 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:58.000 you're gonna get shipped up the river. You're never gonna 0:19:58.000 --> 0:19:59.879 get to see your kids graduate, You're never going to 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:00.880 maut to anything. 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:06.119 The KBI also brought in Rosie, Victoria's sister as a 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:11.600 corroborating witness against Jeff Quincy and Tamra. Rosie says they 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:13.800 interrogated her for two days. 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:17.240 They told me I was lying, he kept telling me 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:20.720 to shut up, and then they told me that they 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:22.280 could take my kids away from me. 0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:27.600 And the line of questioning is also disturbingly focused on 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:28.960 the women's sex lives. 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:31.600 What type of sex did he like or was he 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:35.359 did he enjoy all sex or sex? 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:35.760 Yes? 0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:39.640 What's your sexual preference? Are you by sex? Or you're lesbian? 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:43.080 Especially about the women being lesbians? 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:45.320 You considered yourself a lesbian? 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:49.840 No, you know, I think right after that, right after 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:52.400 he asked me if I was living, when he stuck 0:20:52.480 --> 0:20:54.480 his hand up on the table and was rubbing on 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:54.880 my leg. 0:20:55.920 --> 0:20:58.840 Jeff Burton was also brought in The White Kid, Susan 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:01.480 Golbroth had found I don't want to go to jail. 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:05.400 I don't want to go to jail, but I don't 0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:06.879 want to sit here and listen to this lies. I 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:08.800 don't want to listen to these lies, man, I don't 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:09.040 want to. 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:12.480 And they squeezed him, all of them for confessions. 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:15.760 It's gonna be your word against five or six other people. 0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:17.800 And you know what it takes. You know what it takes. 0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:22.760 All it takes is for jury to either the jury 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:27.040 to believe what you say or what they say. That's 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:27.520 messed up. 0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:28.359 That's messed up. 0:21:28.359 --> 0:21:30.240 If that's the case, and that's how it goes down. 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:31.280 And that is messed up. 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:34.680 To me, it sounds like the agents learned how to 0:21:34.720 --> 0:21:37.040 be detectives from watching Law and Order. 0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:40.840 And I hope you a good surfer, baby. I'm giving 0:21:40.840 --> 0:21:44.640 you one wave. You better ride this wave until you done, 0:21:45.400 --> 0:21:48.800 because you're not gonna get another way from me. Okay, yes, 0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:51.440 So if you can't surf, you better lay down on 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:52.359 that board and hope it. 0:21:56.440 --> 0:21:59.879 In these KBI videos, only the interview he is visible. 0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:03.840 All law enforcement are off camera. We don't know what 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:06.520 they were, or we're not doing out a frame or 0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:09.520 who is in the hotel room. Think of videos you 0:22:09.600 --> 0:22:13.680 see in police stations. The camera is usually above. You 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:17.359 can see the whole room, everyone in it. That didn't 0:22:17.480 --> 0:22:21.200 happen here, plus video and tape recorders were turned on 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:23.000 and off frequently. 0:22:23.840 --> 0:22:26.159 They would ask me questions and they would cut the 0:22:26.200 --> 0:22:26.800 recorder off. 0:22:27.040 --> 0:22:30.399 We're gonna go off record for about ten. 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:33.520 Minutes, and and he go in this room and he 0:22:33.640 --> 0:22:36.840 come back in and unpiles the record or whatever and 0:22:37.080 --> 0:22:42.359 start talking crazy to me, and we're back on record. 0:22:44.560 --> 0:22:48.080 At one point during Jeff's interrogation, Rosie is brought into 0:22:48.160 --> 0:22:49.760 the room to identify him. 0:22:51.760 --> 0:22:54.840 Jeff Burton, Jeff Burton, if you. 0:22:54.960 --> 0:22:59.959 Know anything about witness identification or lineups, this is absolutely 0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:01.640 not how it's done. 0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:06.200 Looking back, Jeff says, the whole thing was mind boggling. 0:23:07.080 --> 0:23:09.480 I feel like they're telling me that you know, we 0:23:09.560 --> 0:23:12.280 already got to prove, just tell us. And I'm like, man, 0:23:12.320 --> 0:23:13.720 I didn't have anything to do with this stuff. 0:23:14.359 --> 0:23:16.200 Now charge me with whatever you want to. 0:23:16.240 --> 0:23:17.720 I did not know her, and I did not kill 0:23:17.760 --> 0:23:20.719 her or rape or burn or any of that other 0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:21.680 stuff that y'all said. 0:23:22.520 --> 0:23:23.680 This can't be real life. 0:23:24.000 --> 0:23:24.440 It can't be. 0:23:24.920 --> 0:23:26.560 And I know that that right there was a crock 0:23:26.600 --> 0:23:26.960 of shit. 0:23:27.240 --> 0:23:28.920 But that makes me think that all this is freaking 0:23:28.960 --> 0:23:29.560 fake as hell. 0:23:29.640 --> 0:23:29.800 Man. 0:23:33.920 --> 0:23:38.959 But the kbi's tactics worked After weeks of interrogations at 0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:42.719 the hotel and elsewhere, they got the confessions they were 0:23:42.800 --> 0:23:46.800 looking for, first from Victoria, who, over the course of 0:23:46.880 --> 0:23:50.760 at least six interviews with the KBI, goes from having 0:23:50.880 --> 0:23:55.160 only heard about the murder and possible suspects to actually 0:23:55.520 --> 0:24:00.720 witnessing the kidnapping, rape and killing of Jessica and participating 0:24:01.040 --> 0:24:05.600 in the abuse of her dead body then Venetia for 0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:09.640 seven years. Venetia told police that she did not see 0:24:09.760 --> 0:24:14.480 Jessica after they said goodbye that Saturday night in two thousand. Now, 0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:19.239 after at least two separate days of KBI interrogations, her 0:24:19.400 --> 0:24:21.480 story resembles Victoria's. 0:24:23.960 --> 0:24:27.679 He has closely done anything just to just. 0:24:29.000 --> 0:24:31.720 She says she actually went looking for Jessica that night, 0:24:32.040 --> 0:24:36.399