WEBVTT - 10: The Book of Daniel 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:15.440 Novel. A listener note this episode contains violence and content 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:21.360 that some listeners might find distressing. Previously, on deliver Us 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:27.560 from Herbal Hebrew, the mantle fell on him and he 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:32.240 did not sign up for it. Everybody was a crazy, little, 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:37.200 freaking spartan extremist terrorist, not knowing anything else in the world. 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:42.240 Shooting the guns is not the traumatic part. The traumatic 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:44.360 part is that you're actually going to be faced with 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:47.480 a major war and you might have to shoot people, 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:49.839 so you can't have any kind of feelings. You can 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:53.800 have any soft feelings. I just remember the gun pointing 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:57.279 at me, seeing the gun, and he said, give me 0:00:57.320 --> 0:01:00.880 your money, and I emptied my or and put all 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:04.160 the money in there, including my die pack, which he 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:07.440 told me not to do. Heber felt he had screwed 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:09.520 up so bad when he had the authority, he gave 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:13.919 the authority to the next Brethren line Mo also called Aaron. 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:17.560 He was the one that was like the moral compass 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:22.080 for us, studying hard and praying and making sure we 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:26.680 were well verse in our own doctrine. This is God's law. 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:29.959 We have to do it, otherwise the whole world will 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:34.240 go to hell like the Armageddon. Satan will win in 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:50.720 the end if we don't do this. We're in Old Harbor, Washington, 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:55.040 about ninety miles north of Seattle, on an island called 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:59.120 Woodbey Island. We're specifically at a location called pam Cove. 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:04.760 We have the wonderful water view these days. Steve Voteci 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:08.440 lives way out in Washington State. On clear days, you 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:10.880 can see the Olympic Mountains over there. You can see 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:13.480 Commano Island over there. With a glass of wine on 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:16.640 the deck. Here they watch the sunset just be bright red. 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:20.040 It's it's a beautiful time. Looking around his home on 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:23.640 the water's edge, I see his deck a picture window 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:26.560 where you can spot orca is in the bay. Sometimes 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:30.440 a great well bald headed eagles visit to feeding on 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:34.079 clams and on the walls of his home, old family 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:39.280 snapshots and mementos from his life. Uh, what do I have, hero, 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:44.639 there's me. It's five years old. The atmosphere here feels peaceful, serene, 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:48.160 that is until he shows me a picture from his 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:53.120 past life back in the nineties. This is my jail 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:58.679 mug shot to establish my credentials as an unsavory character. Yeah, 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:03.360 that's me, Steve. Even prison overalls, but he wasn't really 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:07.880 a convict. He was an undercover cop. As you run 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:11.240 into somebody, other investigators would take this out and show 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:14.280 just to some people who were trying to target inside. 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:17.240 If you're saying this guy, okay, I've got a love 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:20.560 with you, it's quite hard to imagine any amount of 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:25.640 undercover shape shifting could turn Steve into a convincing unsavory character. 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:31.200 No offense to Steve, but his manner is well, I 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:38.160 don't know, kind of cuddly. In fact, it's like his home, warm, welcoming. 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:42.520 Occasionally you spot a little knowing twinkle in his eye, 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:46.480 like the light catching on the pencove water. I think 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:50.400 it was his demeanor rather than his disguises, that made 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:55.240 Steve so good at his job. People opened up to him, 0:03:55.520 --> 0:04:01.480 wanted to talk like they just couldn't help themselves, which 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:05.240 was a real asset in his role working investigations for 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:12.200 the Organized Crime Bureau in Utah. And so you think, oh, Utah, 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:16.840 j they can't much crime in Utah, But the polygamous 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:21.159 met the definition of organized crime. What Steve is talking 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:25.200 about here is that underground network of polygamous communities that 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:29.000 I've mentioned in previous episodes, the ones that had shot 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:32.039 up like weeds around the same time hervil LeBaron was 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:35.760 also building his cult. They were the groups hervill coveted 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:40.120 and wanted to consume, and who were frankly much more 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:44.360 successful at quietly going about their work. I've spent much 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:48.479 of my career reporting on these Mormon fundamentalist communities, their 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:52.600 groups with their own hierarchies, rules, and rituals operating in 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:55.880 the shadows, and by the eighties, some of these groups 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:59.240 weren't just engaging in the crime of polygamy. Some were 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:05.400 committing viole crimes. Part of Steve's job as a cop 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:08.839 was to keep tabs on the various polygamust sex in Utah. 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:12.760 He's not a Mormon himself, but it didn't seem to matter. 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:16.680 People often seem to want to talk to Steve despite themselves. 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:20.640 It was working this job in that Steve got a 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:24.000 call from his bosses asking him to visit a polygamist, 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:29.839 yet another self styled prophet. There were some threats made 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:33.640 against Dan Jordan's and so I went out to his 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:38.320 home to interview him. Dan Jordan's once hervil Le Baron's 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:41.920 right hand man, the man who had killed Joel le 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:46.039 Baron at rbl's orders and started off the whole spiral 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:51.479 of the Colt. In his career investigating Mormon polygamus, Steve 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:54.799 had heard all about the infamous and now deceased Hervil 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:59.080 LeBaron from the perspective of most law enforcement. At this 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:01.840 point in the mid eight d's, his cult had been 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:07.000 shut down, Hervil was already becoming a kind of historical curiosity, 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:10.720 and so here was an opportunity to go sort of 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:15.560 interview one of the lieutenants of rural LeBaron and just 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:22.359 see what the set up was. Daniel ben Jordan's was 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:27.320 a short and stout man with a fleshy face, receding hairline, 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:31.960 dark dead eyes. He was fifty six and eighty five, 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:34.400 but he was the kind of man that had always 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:38.040 looked kind of middle aged, even in his early twenties 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:40.880 when he first arrived in colonial le Baron as one 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:44.839 of those French but not actually French missionaries, the new 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:49.240 blood whose appearance would energize the town. Back then, I've 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:52.240 heard he was always at Hervil side, but by the 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:56.000 time Irvill was arrested in nineteen seventy nine, though their 0:06:56.040 --> 0:07:00.000 families were bound by marriages. Dan had started a question 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:02.919 and if Herville really did carry the mantle of the 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:06.320 one mighty and Strong one. Cervill was safely locked up, 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:10.680 that is, and when Herville was convicted their schism had 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:15.040 grown into a full blown split. Dan incorporated his own 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:20.800 church to Erville. He'd become a son of Perdition. His 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:24.280 name entered into the Book of the New Covenant's hit list. 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:30.520 Dan has been described to me as coming across as 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:34.760 a joyless man, someone who, apart from Hervil back in 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:40.440 the day, had few friends, a loner. But when Steve 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:44.280 arrived to meet him that day, it wasn't just Dan's 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:49.880 awkward demeanor that stood out on the surface. Everything seemed 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:53.280 just like the polygamous community Steve had spent his career visiting, 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:59.720 but the atmosphere felt off. I go into the charge 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:04.480 hall and they're probably about five or six young ladies there, 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:07.440 which we didn't do introductions, but I'm assuming that there 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:10.280 were his various wives. There were a number of children 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:13.160 there also, and it's just a little strange. I've been 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:15.800 to other families, and I mean there might be kids 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:18.120 in another room playing or something like that and laughing, 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:22.120 and I just sat down with Dan Jordan's and interviewed 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:25.520 in him and nobody's laughing, nobody's playing. It's just kind 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:27.280 of a strange setup. I mean, you go into home 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:29.800 and there's ten or fifteen children there, you'd expect there's 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:33.200 some laughter, maybe see some toys, but no, none of 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:37.839 that was there. And obviously everyone's been coached to not 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:43.960 talk to me. Steve quickly realized that getting good information 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:47.160 out of Dan was going to be difficult, but he 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:50.319 assumed the death threats Dan had been getting were something 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:53.439 to do with his history with Herville. I knew about 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:56.680 his background, and then I'm in there and I it's 0:08:56.720 --> 0:08:59.160 like I'm dealing with a con man. I mean, I'm 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:02.600 asking questions and his answers are carefully weighed, and and 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:06.679 he's presenting the attitude of oh, there's no problem. This 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:09.960 is just some sort of normal setup. He's in control, 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:16.400 and so nobody's gonna bump him off like everyone else 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:20.880 in Herbal's colt, Dan Jordan's never talked to cops, not 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:23.679 about anything he thought might be useful to them. Anyway. 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:28.280 Four years had passed since VAL's death. Maybe he didn't 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:30.680 feel like his name appearing in the Book of the 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:35.400 New Covenant put him at risk anymore. My takeaway was 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:38.000 I didn't feel like there was a threat, and he 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:43.760 didn't really seem worried. So Dan wasn't worried, Steve wasn't worried. 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:48.240 Dust your hands off and move on. I felt like 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:51.120 I had made some connections, passed out my name, and 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:53.560 part of the ideas that things go bad later on 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:57.880 a least know somebody he could call um. But I 0:09:57.880 --> 0:10:02.319 mean he never called. You have to say, in hindsight, 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:06.640 both Steve and Dan got it wrong that day, because 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:10.280 the next call Steve would get about Dan Jordan's was 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:17.320 to tell him he'd been shot to death from the 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:20.120 teams at Novel and I Heart Radio. This is deliver 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:37.560 Us from Herville, episode ten, the Book of Daniel. For 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:40.360 a man who had spent decades on the run, Bennett, 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:43.600 Colorado seemed like a nice, quiet place to settle down. 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:48.440 Situated in eastern Colorado, It's about thirty miles from Denver, 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:51.720 with the range of the Rocky Mountains jutting up into 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:55.240 the sky if you look west to the east, the 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:59.760 prairies and flat lands of the American Heartland. Dan Jordan 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:04.240 there after Ervil's death in and set up another one 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:08.680 of his appliance repair shops, which operated uneventfully for years. 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:12.640 Dan might have thought he could put the whole Labaron 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:19.400 saga behind him. Well, maybe not completely behind him, because 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:22.760 after Irvil's death he had given shelter to Anime Marston 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:26.080 Evil's fourth wife, and so he had a few of 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:30.600 Herbal LeBaron's children living within his polygamous clan and for 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:34.719 the Kingdom of God back in Mexico. This was a 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:40.120 festering wound, their siblings living with someone marked for death 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:43.280 by the Book of the New Covenant. What of our 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:47.480 lifelong dreams was to get our siblings who were under 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:52.600 Dan's spell. That's the way we saw it, get our siblings. 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:57.319 Editor Gabriella LeBaron and the children and teens of the 0:11:57.440 --> 0:12:02.000 Kog deeply missed their siblings. I dreamed of them all 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:04.280 the time that we would be reunited with him. So 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:06.920 they were like our pride and joy in our love, 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:09.200 and we were ready to die for them, and we 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:10.840 were going to do whatever it took to bring him back, 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:16.280 to rescue them from hell and to have them come 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:20.080 and join us a much better hell. In eight seven 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:23.520 Gabriella was eleven years old and together with her brothers 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:26.240 and sisters, she had been scheming and we were going 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:29.800 to go and infiltrate and somehow convinced them to leave 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:33.880 and come back with us, so basically extricate them. This 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:37.400 was early in seven, but over the coming months the 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:42.000 Kog's plan to be permanently reunited with their Labarren siblings 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:48.559 evolved into something darker, albeit with the same ultimate aim. 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:52.200 It was actually Cynthia's idea, and she told Hebrew, and 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:54.600 Hebrew was since it was his job to take everybody 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:57.320 out and he had agreed to it, he had to 0:12:57.320 --> 0:13:02.000 take advantage of the opportunity he had. It was a 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:05.560 summer's morning in August of eight seven that Dan Jordans 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:08.840 opened his front door to find seven of hervill La 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:14.000 Baron's children staring back at him. The group included labaronteenes 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:17.720 carrying infants in their arms. Cynthia and the leader of 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:23.680 the Kog, Aaron, Hebrew, Patricia and Gabriella stayed behind in Mexico. 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:27.800 I really wanted to go. I wanted to be a 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:31.000 part of the action so bad, and I wasn't allowed. 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:37.320 Arriving on the Jordan's doorstep, Aaron told Dan a heartbreaking story. 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:42.040 It went something like this. For several years, they've been 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:46.560 living down in Mexico at the Lahoya Ranch, first under 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:51.679 Arthur until he was killed. Now, he told Dan, Hebrew 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:54.880 was in charge, and they've been surviving a sort of 0:13:54.960 --> 0:14:00.240 hellscape with gun battles and not enough to eat. If 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:05.679 that wasn't bad enough, Hebrew only thought of himself. He'd 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:10.440 abandoned them on the ranch and they were starving. They 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:13.760 knew Dan Jordan lived in Colorado and didn't know where 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:17.920 else to go. Aaron offered a deal in exchange for 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:21.680 food and shelter. They'd worked for Dan in his appliance 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:25.360 repair sweatshop. Dan Jordan's said, no, this is no, it's 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:27.960 not gonna work. These kids are coming up to do something. 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:32.000 I know how this all works. This is David Schwinderman. 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:36.480 He's a former federal prosecutor. Jordan's killed a couple of 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:40.160 people on Hervil's direction, and in fact, he killed Rubal's brother. 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:43.400 And he said to his wife, he said, book, this 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:46.960 is not gonna work. I know how this works. It's 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:50.239 not gonna be good for me. But Dan's wife persuaded 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:53.680 him to take in the Labaron orphans. After all, she said, 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:57.200 they'd escaped the clutches of hervil's colt and we're now 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:01.040 leading peaceful lives. What kind of leader would he be 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:04.800 if he didn't offer them a safe haven. And besides, 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:09.240 she reminded him this was some free sweatshop labor for 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:13.320 his appliance business, and that swung it because now he's 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:15.280 got more hands to do more work to bring it 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:18.400 more revenue. That's fine with him, because he's all about 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:25.600 the money. He agreed to take the kids in, although 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:28.800 from this point onward he started carrying a loaded nine 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:32.760 millimeter pistol in a shoulder holster just to be safe. 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:37.320 Only took it off to bathe or visit the bathroom. 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:41.040 And despite any suspicions, August, then September and the Jordan 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:45.400 family past uneventfully, the new recruits kept their heads down. 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:49.600 They're working in the family appliance business to bring it 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:53.040 more revenue, to get along. Really well. Everything's going fine 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:57.920 until that autumn, when the whole Jordan clan started getting 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:01.760 ready for a big annual family trip each year. Dan 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:04.160 closed up his repair shop for a few weeks to 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:07.880 go deer hunting. With the family over in Utah. Dan 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:11.200 didn't really want to take the new Labarn tines with them, 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:14.040 but he didn't trust them enough to leave them behind either, 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:17.640 so he decided to take some of them along. They 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:22.120 left on October fifteenth in a caravan, carrying a half 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:26.320 dozen of Dan's wives, fifteen of their children, and the 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:34.120 four oldest of the seven Labarn kids. They drove about 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:37.360 eight hours to the man Ti Lasoul National Forest in 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:41.160 central Utah. Dan picked a campsite not too far from 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:46.200 a dirt road. It was peaceful, surrounded by steep hillsides 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:49.480 on three sides. They gave the campsite the feel of 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:54.920 a sort of natural amphitheater. They set up The hunt 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:57.720 hasn't really started yet. It's to start the next day. 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:03.200 This is on October six. That Friday, the sound of 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:07.040 gun shots were echoing throughout the forest as hunters prepared 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:11.840 for the opening of hunting season. The Jordans were practicing 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:16.320 firing their guns too. At about two pm, Dan left 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:19.840 the family campsite and headed for an area they designated 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:23.960 as the communal bathroom. It was partially shielded from view 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:31.480 by trees. Dan goes off to do his business, drops 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:38.160 his drawers is in the process, and two people walk 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:40.800 up and she's him in the head in the chest 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:49.360 of the nine millimeter weapon. Two shots echo through the forest. 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:53.159 The people of the campsite just here, boom boom, and 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:56.919 they don't think anything of it because it's hunting season, 0:17:56.960 --> 0:18:00.199 and they figure it's just somebody's discharged the weapon. But 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:05.360 as time passes, where's Dan. Somebody goes out when Dan 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:09.160 doesn't come back and discovers Dan's body with the bullet 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:11.399 hole in the head and a bull on the chest. 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:16.840 This was clearly no hunting accident. When the police arrive, 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:21.160 they have a mystery on their hands. Someone had murdered Dan, 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:28.240 but who turns out the killer wasn't anyone in Dan's 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:32.720 hunting party. In fact, the culprits didn't come from inside 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:36.560 the camp at all. Eyes had been watching Dan the 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:42.840 whole time, predators stalking their prey, waiting for the perfect 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:59.200 moment to pounce. That's coming up after the break. Two 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:02.160 days after the killing of Dan Jordan's a call came 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:05.840 into the State Police. It reached the desk of Steve Votechi. 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:09.399 My partner and I were down there to Manti. We 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:12.840 go to the crime scene that's out in the forest. Steve, 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:16.240 that gentle investigator for the Organized Crime Bureau in Utah 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:21.680 who had that strange interview with Dan, and now two 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:24.920 years later, he gazed out his squad car window as 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:28.520 his partner drove him to the crime scene. You drive there, 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:30.760 and said, I drive, And then you didn't leave the 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:33.960 paved road, and you drive about five miles on a 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:36.160 turn of her dirt road, and then we're in this 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:40.480 beautiful Champion spot. Votechie was there to investigate a murder, 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:43.760 but in what I've come to learn is his style, 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:47.919 he couldn't help but appreciate how picturesque the landscape was, 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:52.640 with the leaves turning red and bright yellow, the autumn 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:58.080 sun casting a golden light across the mountain. I'm looking 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:00.800 at it and I'm thinking, yes, i s place to camp. 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:03.560 And there was no one there when we got there, 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:06.720 so we're just looking in this beautiful spot and walked around. 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:10.640 There's a little river nearby and and it's really quite pleasant. 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:13.480 We sort of mapped out where we thought a shooter 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:16.679 might have hidden. It's sort of an open campground, and 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:19.520 there was a clumpetraes nearby, and and that we sort 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:22.320 of searched that very very carefully to see what was there. 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:27.760 Steve's initial investigation at the crime scene came up with zilch, 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:31.880 nothing to imply the killing was an inside job from 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:35.560 anyone at the camp, and since everyone had been firing 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:38.440 guns to practice for the hunting trip the next day, 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:42.920 they all had gun residue on their hands. Everyone who 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:45.240 had talked to the cops seemed to have an alibi. 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:53.200 Steve was stumped, but he knew the LeBaron's history felt 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:56.280 like there was more to this case that solving it 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:59.639 was going to require more resources than just the local 0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:03.320 count the sheriff's office. So Steve decided to use the 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:05.639 one thing from the crime scene that had made an 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:11.040 impression on him, the beautiful location. It occurred in a 0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:15.800 national forest, and then since any possible shooters were out 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:19.040 of state, it becomes obvious that this is an interstate 0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:22.440 Dealence interstate, they have the resources to do this. If 0:21:22.440 --> 0:21:25.080 you're in federal custody, they can take you anywhere in 0:21:25.080 --> 0:21:28.600 the United States, and so it was very useful the 0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:32.679 crime occurred on federal land. This enabled the investigation to 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:38.920 operate across the US with additional resources like experienced prosecutors 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:43.600 who knew how to get results in complex cases. That's 0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:47.280 how David Schwindermann got involved. They get ahold of the U. S. 0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:51.639 Attorney's office and they just said, Hey, Dave, are you 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:53.960 guys interested in is It's going to require more than 0:21:54.080 --> 0:21:57.639 just our investigative resources to get this then, so how 0:21:57.680 --> 0:22:01.160 about it? Can the FBI help back and you get involved? 0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:05.440 So I got involved, and we began to put our 0:22:05.480 --> 0:22:08.560 files together, our case together, and that all started to 0:22:08.600 --> 0:22:14.719 come together. Then the investigation got a crucial new team member, 0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:19.320 Steve knew Dick Forbes. Now, Dick was a specialist of 0:22:19.400 --> 0:22:23.359 La Baron in history, so when the techy recognized the names, 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:27.680 he immediately got ahold of Dick. Dick Forbes, you'll remember 0:22:27.720 --> 0:22:31.199 from earlier episodes, had played a key role in the 0:22:31.320 --> 0:22:35.000 hunt and apprehension of Hervia le Baron, And because no 0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:37.440 one knew more about the inner workings of the Colt 0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:40.679 than Dick, there was no one who saw them as 0:22:40.760 --> 0:22:45.280 a bigger threat. But what's more, Dick knew about the 0:22:45.320 --> 0:22:48.719 Book of the New Covenant. A brother of Hervil LeBaron 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:52.200 in Utah had got ahold of a copy and alerted 0:22:52.200 --> 0:22:58.080 Dick after reading its distressing contents on vengeance and violent retribution. 0:22:59.680 --> 0:23:02.880 Soon now, Dick Forbes started to tell Steve vo Techie 0:23:03.160 --> 0:23:07.360 and David Schwinderman just what they were up against. This 0:23:07.440 --> 0:23:10.199 isn't just a random shooting. This is probably something to 0:23:10.240 --> 0:23:13.240 do with the family. You need to interview all these people, 0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:15.879 will get their photographs, will do whatever we need to do. 0:23:15.920 --> 0:23:20.040 Will do the investigation. This needs to be done very thoroughly. 0:23:21.720 --> 0:23:26.240 Dick Forbes, Steve Votechi, and David Swinderman would now become 0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:30.679 the foundation of a crack team formed not just to 0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:34.160 solve this cults murders, but to try and stop their 0:23:34.200 --> 0:23:38.960 future crimes. Working in unison with the FBI, they were 0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:42.399 about to give a fresh focus on the next generation 0:23:42.440 --> 0:23:46.720 of Herbal's cult, which Dick had learned from his Labaran sources, 0:23:47.119 --> 0:23:51.520 were now calling themselves the Kingdom of God the k 0:23:51.840 --> 0:23:59.080 o G. As this investigative team was coming together, the 0:23:59.200 --> 0:24:02.159 Jordan's family and the Labyrin teenagers who had joined them 0:24:02.160 --> 0:24:05.040 on the hunting trip had all left Utah. It was 0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:10.119 October eighteenth. The whole Jordan family the entourage was allowed 0:24:10.160 --> 0:24:13.960 to go back to Colorado, and Dan's body was released 0:24:14.119 --> 0:24:18.960 and they had the funeral in Colorado. But no sooner 0:24:19.119 --> 0:24:22.280 was Dan Jordan in the ground than the Kog tried 0:24:22.320 --> 0:24:25.720 to seize control of his clan after the funeral, and 0:24:25.720 --> 0:24:30.120 that's where this internal fight kind of starts. With Dan 0:24:30.240 --> 0:24:34.280 Jordan's dad, Aaron, the leader of the Kog, declares to 0:24:34.320 --> 0:24:37.920 the Jordan family that he is now their leader. He 0:24:38.040 --> 0:24:41.720 reveals himself as the one mighty and strong and tells 0:24:41.800 --> 0:24:45.440 them they had better fall in line, and the Jordan 0:24:45.560 --> 0:24:49.919 family eventually called the cops file a formal complaint against Aaron. 0:24:50.520 --> 0:24:53.840 This is all the night of Dan Jordan's funeral, with 0:24:54.040 --> 0:24:58.320 Aaron trying to assert his authority as a new patriarch 0:24:58.400 --> 0:25:04.080 over everybody. He is reported for domestic abuse by the 0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:09.000 family members to authorities in Denver. That's when Aaron's arrested. 0:25:10.880 --> 0:25:13.919 With Aaron behind bars, the local cops scoop up the 0:25:13.920 --> 0:25:16.840 other Kog members who had been staying with the Jordan's 0:25:17.680 --> 0:25:21.280 and they alert David Schwindermann and we then got involved 0:25:21.320 --> 0:25:26.600 and brought the kids back to Utah on material witness warrants. 0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:31.080 With these Kog kids on material witness warrants, the federal 0:25:31.160 --> 0:25:35.920 law enforcement team had access to talk to them. Steve 0:25:36.000 --> 0:25:38.440 Otechie started to ask them about the day of Dan's 0:25:38.520 --> 0:25:41.320 killing to see if his team could start to piece 0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:44.720 together the sequence of events right up to the murder. 0:25:45.040 --> 0:25:47.400 And I'm trying to come up with the diagram of 0:25:47.400 --> 0:25:52.040 of where all these people were and Dance shot nearer, 0:25:52.040 --> 0:25:55.520 where the trailers were camped, where the camper is, and 0:25:55.760 --> 0:25:58.320 some people were in the trailer they didn't hear anything, 0:25:58.680 --> 0:26:01.399 and other people were outside life sentient Aaron up on 0:26:01.440 --> 0:26:05.879 the road. Uh, nobody hears anything suspicious, sees anything suspicious. 0:26:05.920 --> 0:26:08.560 Steve starts to get the sense that these children are 0:26:08.560 --> 0:26:12.359 not being straight with them. It's obvious that maybe some 0:26:12.440 --> 0:26:15.800 statements have been rehearsed, and and I'm writing this all downs, 0:26:15.840 --> 0:26:18.000 you know, so that they can be checked later on 0:26:18.080 --> 0:26:22.399 in that and I'm just thinking, well, obviously somebody's not 0:26:22.440 --> 0:26:25.560 telling the truth. I just can't imagine that nobody heard 0:26:25.600 --> 0:26:29.240 any shooting. And it's always amazing that everybody seemed to 0:26:29.280 --> 0:26:36.280 be somewhere else and nobody knows what happened whatsoever. Getting 0:26:36.280 --> 0:26:40.359 to the bottom of lies was kind of Steve Votechi's forte. 0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:45.320 Having spent years under cover, years working in Utah's organized 0:26:45.359 --> 0:26:51.560 crime Investigations unit. He was experienced with uncooperative witnesses with deception, 0:26:52.880 --> 0:26:56.760 yet when it came to lying, he noticed that these 0:26:56.840 --> 0:27:01.320 LeBaron kids were good. They were pretty consistent in their stories. 0:27:02.000 --> 0:27:06.440 No one seemed phase that a murder had occurred. And 0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:09.320 my afterthought on that is, I mean, murder was sort 0:27:09.359 --> 0:27:12.720 of a of a natural thing with these folks, and 0:27:13.359 --> 0:27:18.120 I suppose teenagers live, but not quite so much about murder. 0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:22.080 Having made little headway from their initial interviews with the 0:27:22.160 --> 0:27:25.919 la Baron kids, the investigative team moved on to Aaron, 0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:31.040 that tall, studious leader of the Kog, sometimes called Mo. 0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:35.680 He was in police custody following the altercation with Gan 0:27:35.800 --> 0:27:39.439 Jordan's family members. After the funeral. He talks to me, 0:27:39.480 --> 0:27:42.119 but again he just lies to me the whole time. 0:27:42.520 --> 0:27:45.000 And my main thing is, Okay, I know he's up 0:27:45.000 --> 0:27:47.399 to something, but I don't know what it is. And 0:27:47.400 --> 0:27:50.400