Speaker 1: You're tuned into The Gangster Chronicles. Well, James McDonald XI Jr.
Speaker 1: And Allen Tomanso on the Digital Soapbox Network material witness
Speaker 1: on an aggregated battery. I was a hang gun and
Speaker 1: they believe this might be in retaliation to her testimony.
Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of The Gangster Chronicles. This is
Speaker 1: Alex Alonso from Street TV and I'm here with and
Speaker 1: James and we have a great episode for you guys.
Speaker 1: And we appreciate everyone that comes to our page and
Speaker 1: where there's the Facebook page, Instagram page and submits information.
Speaker 1: And we're gonna start this off with some fact checking
Speaker 1: from last week. You couldn't remember read something or other.
Speaker 1: The neighborhood that they were shooting the video we're talking
Speaker 1: about the Snoop Dogg video or is it the dog
Speaker 1: Pound video where the shooting happened was Red Hook, which
Speaker 1: is a neighborhood in Brooklyn. So that was Red Hook, y'all.
Speaker 1: And Red Hook as a well known area in Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: I remember it when I was a kid living in
Speaker 1: New York. And then I remember you said Biggie called it,
Speaker 1: remember saying, so here's exactly what um what was said
Speaker 1: on the radio. According to Snoop Duck, Snoop Dogg actually
Speaker 1: did an interview in two thousand and eighteen where he
Speaker 1: talked about this for the very first time, and he says,
Speaker 1: we went up to the radio station to get that
Speaker 1: funk Master Flex so we could let everyone in New
Speaker 1: York know that we brought our low riders out. We're
Speaker 1: shooting a video. All the New York rappers come mess
Speaker 1: with us. And then, um, eventually he said, Flex gets
Speaker 1: a call from from Biggie and says, um, Biggie goes
Speaker 1: on the on the radio via phone like you guys mentioned,
Speaker 1: and um, he says that m Flex gets a call
Speaker 1: from Biggie that nigga. Biggie goes what's happening, Nigga Red
Speaker 1: Hook is where the Dog Pound and Snoop Dogg are
Speaker 1: shooting a video. Brooklyn stand up. So that was Biggie's
Speaker 1: words to funk Master Flex on the radio. YO, And
Speaker 1: I guess some people interpreted that as saying something and
Speaker 1: then it says here, Um, we don't know. According to Snoop,
Speaker 1: we don't know what that means. We think niggers are
Speaker 1: coming to the show to show some love. Like Brooklyn
Speaker 1: stand up, so we're still shooting the video. This is
Speaker 1: Snoop talking the Dog Pound. We're all out in the
Speaker 1: snow in front of the bricks and and we go
Speaker 1: back to the trailer and then I guess the shooting
Speaker 1: kind of happened. Like I always tell you all about
Speaker 1: Snoop at as days, he trying to be a politician.
Speaker 1: Go listen to Trade D. Trade D tell you more
Speaker 1: in detail. And he just did an interview with Lad
Speaker 1: where they heard him calling off all the different names
Speaker 1: like you snot knows this nose, this versus and all
Speaker 1: of those different names. Y'all need to you know, like
Speaker 1: y'all need to go do something. He called off a
Speaker 1: bunch of street nigga names that's in the area and
Speaker 1: and pretty much incited them to put into work. Check
Speaker 1: it out. He just said it on a LAD interview. Well,
Speaker 1: he said, Snoops in this interview from last year, says
Speaker 1: you could watch one of the episodes of Unsolved, and
Speaker 1: he said that they depicted what happened in New York
Speaker 1: and Red Hood, Brooklyn pretty accurately. I don't remember the Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I mean, don't try to see it, Like I don't
Speaker 1: think nobody ever looked at Snoop like that. Snoop Dogg
Speaker 1: has not really been outside of Long Beach, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying until his music, right, so it's Snoop
Speaker 1: Dogg like a like a you can actually this from Reggie,
Speaker 1: a big name in the neighborhood before wrap. No, No,
Speaker 1: he just was a little youngster like on the corner.
Speaker 1: But but that's not my point. My point is just
Speaker 1: that now and because who knows what he was feeling
Speaker 1: and feeling ninety four x and all of that, because
Speaker 1: he was on top of the world. My point is,
Speaker 1: and he's still, you know, very successful. My point is
Speaker 1: he's trying to be more of a politician now than ever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying back and back. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: he doesn't. He never spoke about this incident in years
Speaker 1: we made what do you think made him want to
Speaker 1: talk about it last year? It's been a big topic
Speaker 1: of subject, even though it happened with twenties seven years ago.
Speaker 1: We talked about Tupac on this show there, every every
Speaker 1: podcast were done there, and that happened twenty three four
Speaker 1: years ago. But someone getting killed and a trailer getting
Speaker 1: shot at two different things, Well, we associate. We associate
Speaker 1: why why Snoop is being disloyal. Tupac is a subject
Speaker 1: to us because we feel all feel that he's he's
Speaker 1: trying to act like he's cool with Pop, but in
Speaker 1: our mind and most of the community mind, he is
Speaker 1: a bit That's typical niggaship though, niggas getting mad at
Speaker 1: each other. Motherfucker's go their way and then they come
Speaker 1: back and smiling your face but still really ain't got
Speaker 1: over that that issue, but then smiled because they know
Speaker 1: we gotta function, so they're smiling your face and ain't
Speaker 1: really over it, so the animosity is still there. So
Speaker 1: you have motherfucker's that all the mount of the skirts
Speaker 1: opposed to, you know, letting that ship go as men.
Speaker 1: You got some cats like they're saying nigga's bitches too,
Speaker 1: so they think like that. I mean, the hottest thing
Speaker 1: that's out right now is is Snoop and Puffy Uh
Speaker 1: been trolling, you know, they say trolling sugar or whatever,
Speaker 1: which I don't given about, but they both trolling. Trolling.
Speaker 1: That's the youngster's no work. But he's him a Puffy
Speaker 1: hanging out together at at Puffy House in New Jersey
Speaker 1: with death row chains on well, Snoop had a death
Speaker 1: row chain dancing and there, you know, Puffy pretty much acts.
Speaker 1: You know, it's made the statement what Sho said to
Speaker 1: him at the source of awards. So all right, Well,
Speaker 1: what I found interesting about what Snoop said in this
Speaker 1: two thousand and eighteen interview was after hearing what Biggie
Speaker 1: said on the radio, he says, we didn't know what
Speaker 1: that meant. We're thinking Nigga's are coming to show some
Speaker 1: love like Brooklyn stand up. And that was one of
Speaker 1: my points, just saying, right now Snoop Dogg is out
Speaker 1: of Long Beach, how much knowledge on game ship does
Speaker 1: he really have at this time? So if you hear
Speaker 1: Biggie on the radio saying, what's happening Nigga Red Hook
Speaker 1: is where the dog pounding Snoop are shooting the video
Speaker 1: Brooklyn stand up? And I take that as a threat.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a threat because if he was talking,
Speaker 1: who come on, man, nigga ain't the words? Now, I
Speaker 1: just put some extras on it because I don't know
Speaker 1: how Biggie actually said that. The bay I could say,
Speaker 1: what's happening? Swear dog pound and Snoop are shooting the video. Brooklyn,
Speaker 1: stand up, that's coach man. You know those are coach
Speaker 1: anybody know that that just sounds like coach man up there.
Speaker 1: It was a song this in New York in their mind,
Speaker 1: you know, you listen to Correl correct, I'll tell you
Speaker 1: all day that they were paying how much to uh
Speaker 1: New York they wanted to go to Times Square and
Speaker 1: how Biggie and Puff and other people like that from
Speaker 1: New York to come in and dance in the video exactly.
Speaker 1: And the cooldest thing about that those dudes had the
Speaker 1: money to pay the living homies should go out there
Speaker 1: and do ship like that, do shooting up ship and
Speaker 1: funding with ship like that. But so it's yeah, but
Speaker 1: you know now you hear most people the same. It
Speaker 1: was a Jimmy Hinchman call anyway, and Jimmy Henchman is
Speaker 1: actually the one to send somebody the fires shots at
Speaker 1: at the at the trailer, and it wasn't even so
Speaker 1: much to call out on the radio, so you never know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was just wondering, was the was the radio coming
Speaker 1: by Biggie really meant for? Yeah, it was, it was
Speaker 1: taking that way. I got to hear the tone he
Speaker 1: never denied it, and people always say, well, why why
Speaker 1: did he you know, did he really mean this? Why
Speaker 1: do he really feel this way? You go listen at
Speaker 1: that route that he did uh in l A on
Speaker 1: the radio station out here, the Lone Kids Goodbye. He
Speaker 1: was pretty much bagging about having something to do with
Speaker 1: part getting killed. Then we get Biggie a pass to
Speaker 1: try to make him a saint because we love his
Speaker 1: mama so much. But man, everybody played a part, all right.
Speaker 1: So um also last week I thought it was kind
Speaker 1: of cool and um Spider actually remember the line from
Speaker 1: jay Z when we're talking about East coast West coast
Speaker 1: to south, we give Dre as props, but that's where
Speaker 1: it stops. Where Dre was basically where j was basically saying,
Speaker 1: we don't really like the West Coast. That was actually
Speaker 1: on a song called The Watcher Too, and guests who
Speaker 1: produced the album or the song Dr Dre. When I
Speaker 1: looked it up, I saw Dr Dre's name was on it,
Speaker 1: and that's from the album The Blueprint to release November
Speaker 1: two thousand and two. So Dollars wrote, DREDA, Who's that
Speaker 1: jay Z? The biggest song on Chronic well one of
Speaker 1: the biggest songs on Chronic two thousand one. He didn't
Speaker 1: go for right it, he wrote wrote it. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that there was this um, this long
Speaker 1: relationship between Dr Dre and UH and UM we called
Speaker 1: jay Z. Well, this song came out in two thousand two,
Speaker 1: and I guess even in two thousand two, the East
Speaker 1: Coast still wasn't given the West Coast love when it
Speaker 1: came to music with because you got the biggest rapper
Speaker 1: in New York basically saying we don't really mess with
Speaker 1: the West, but we messed with Dr Drake because on
Speaker 1: this album, and he was one of the producers on
Speaker 1: on that song. So that was last week when Spider
Speaker 1: said that. Now shout out to jay Z still becoming
Speaker 1: a being there. Last week you said that the death
Speaker 1: Row bankruptcy was around oh eight oh nine, I think,
Speaker 1: but it was actually oh six. Does that make sense
Speaker 1: eight o nine? If I did, I'm misspoken. I knew.
Speaker 1: I think that's what I said. I went back to
Speaker 1: start helping shook out with that during that time, but
Speaker 1: I knew that I think I said, oh five oh six. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: i'll fact check this fact check later on. But what's
Speaker 1: really interesting about that is that the bankruptcy didn't complete
Speaker 1: until two thousand sixteen. That's basically eleven ten eleven years.
Speaker 1: Why so long because there's still money to be made,
Speaker 1: and the the only person to make a bankruptcy make money
Speaker 1: in a bankruptcy is the attorneys exactly. And what they
Speaker 1: call that guy, the one is over everything, the trusteed
Speaker 1: or something like that, and the trusty hum, big ass.
Speaker 1: You know about that? You just did one of two
Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen. Now I found an article from two
Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen that said that Dr Dre was old
Speaker 1: eight million from the bankruptcy, Nate Dogg was worth five
Speaker 1: was old five million, Tupac was old a million, and
Speaker 1: none of them got the money. But everybody put in
Speaker 1: a claim. And you put a claim, man, you you're
Speaker 1: throwing up against the wall, hope for the best, and
Speaker 1: you know, and Snoop Doggs claim was two million. Guess
Speaker 1: what Chugs claim was a hundred and forty four million.
Speaker 1: No one got any money except for the lawyers get
Speaker 1: so much. The lawyers got eight point three million, they
Speaker 1: got more than that. Do you think they got more
Speaker 1: than that? Well? The company, so the catalog so for
Speaker 1: like thirty six million, and so all that money was well,
Speaker 1: usually lawyers get either from from one of them get
Speaker 1: they got a judgment when they got a judgment that
Speaker 1: they never got paid. Here the person that we filed
Speaker 1: the bank Rose four was Michael Herrio. He never got
Speaker 1: in here on Nidia never got any money. Well, since
Speaker 1: here a Fanny finished your cor she got some money.
Speaker 1: Tupac's mom got seventy k and then later fifty seven K.
Speaker 1: So that's what Penny's really think about it. But but
Speaker 1: what was her claim and what was she all because
Speaker 1: but then you know, everything had been resolved, so it's
Speaker 1: not like that's all she got and we're not gonna
Speaker 1: start that room or because what you think huh to
Speaker 1: the guy damn trusting in the attorneys fees paper all
Speaker 1: the money that he had on the money, oh heel
Speaker 1: off that she's always been broke, believed sheould have shouldn't
Speaker 1: have money coming in and he would spend it as
Speaker 1: it came, always always, So there's the money. The company
Speaker 1: got some money. That's why I end up on the
Speaker 1: building on Wilshire will Shore because I had to refinance.
Speaker 1: I had to get money out. The paid big grippy
Speaker 1: and and and give miss A some money and uh
Speaker 1: and the DLC. Is it fair to say that death
Speaker 1: row grossed over five million gross gross. Yeah, but that's
Speaker 1: the interscope time water everybody more even more than that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean it was we was able
Speaker 1: to do whatever the funk we want, you know, and
Speaker 1: neither that yachts and all of that stuff. But I'm
Speaker 1: just saying it wasn't like what people would think. He
Speaker 1: had timmillion dollars. The team me and twin millon dollars
Speaker 1: said it, you know, sending in the count a one time,
Speaker 1: but he would go get the money and be a
Speaker 1: nigga and spend it. I was just shocked at the
Speaker 1: bankruptcy took ten years to resolve, from oh six to sixteen.
Speaker 1: That is unbelievable. The attorneys and that trusty want letting
Speaker 1: their money go until they it was all gone. Also,
Speaker 1: last week we talked about you mentioned Michael Durouttle that
Speaker 1: a little out from corner Pocket. I believe he no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's from a little ills from the I'm sorry sorry,
Speaker 1: he's from south Side. The Stone Brothers are from Corner Pockets.
Speaker 1: Actually it was a father and a nephew. So Michael
Speaker 1: Duroux was actually sentenced to three life terms without parole
Speaker 1: in plus forty nine years um for his role in
Speaker 1: the shootout at the Compton car wash, which was on
Speaker 1: a Landralandra right next door to the tour down now
Speaker 1: it was right across next Leander And for everyone who
Speaker 1: doesn't know the people involved in that, it was Orlando
Speaker 1: Anderson and Michael Dureaux. They were homeboys and they confronted
Speaker 1: Michael Stone and his nephew Jerry Stone, and the way
Speaker 1: the story goes, they all did at some point. And
Speaker 1: there's two theories of what happened. One was over a debt,
Speaker 1: a drug debt. That's the only theory, and the other
Speaker 1: thing was one theory I read was it was over
Speaker 1: a gang conflict, but it didn't sound plausible. Feel over gamefront.
Speaker 1: You don't go confront, Yeah, exactly. He started start dumping. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so apparently, um, I think Michael Stone pulled out a gun. First,
Speaker 1: Michael Darrow was like, hey, hey, put that gun away.
Speaker 1: I guess Michael Stone didn't listen, he's and then Orlando
Speaker 1: pulled his out and then they started shooting. So Orlando
Speaker 1: started shooting and shot Michael Stone and Jerry Stone, and
Speaker 1: then then Michael Dureau grabbed Orlando's gun because they one
Speaker 1: of the Stones was still alive, and then I believe
Speaker 1: he shot um Jerry Stone in self defense. I would say,
Speaker 1: That's what my point was. Unfortunately, for a littlehile, he
Speaker 1: didn't bring a gun to the to the gun battle.
Speaker 1: Michael du Michael, Yeah, he came unarmed and he was
Speaker 1: the passenger in the car with Orlando Anderson and didn't
Speaker 1: even go there with any intentions of a shooting and
Speaker 1: ends up with three life sentences, isn't that? But he
Speaker 1: he was with him because they were cross street at
Speaker 1: the Hamburger stand and they planned to go over there
Speaker 1: and confront of him. That's where they get there. If
Speaker 1: he wouldn't have said, we went over there to confront
Speaker 1: I guess who who stopped him when they were trying
Speaker 1: to leave them, we go to the hospital. Who's that senior,
Speaker 1: Reggie right, senior. They didn't want to pull them over
Speaker 1: and pulled out Michael what like it was like his nephew,
Speaker 1: I mean him and Michael I was real close. So
Speaker 1: I just think it's kind of unfortunate what happened to
Speaker 1: Michael Reid. You know he's been the jail before, he
Speaker 1: shot his c HP or officer before. Doesn't matter. That's
Speaker 1: a big thing. You can change. Yeah, whatever, you definitely
Speaker 1: can change. You might change. You can change it once
Speaker 1: I go. Once you going in and get caught doing
Speaker 1: something else and playing with gun play, then no, Well,
Speaker 1: I know, on that day, I think it's fair to
Speaker 1: say that Michael Michael Darrow had no intentions of shooting anybody.
Speaker 1: His intentions was with me. And you could say, let's
Speaker 1: go over here and confront James, let's go get our money,
Speaker 1: Let's go get oh, what's some money? And we know
Speaker 1: we got guns and all of that, and Orlando had
Speaker 1: a gun. He didn't have a gun, but he mus
Speaker 1: still admit that he knew that. Orlando probably always carried
Speaker 1: a gun. And you don't think that sometimes you do,
Speaker 1: Sometimes you don't. Not everyone always, you know, I might
Speaker 1: be exaggerating, but not. Your homeboy doesn't always tell you
Speaker 1: he's armed, because he might say, hey, can you give
Speaker 1: me a ride? You got anything on you? Nine? I'm clean,
Speaker 1: and he ain't clean. He just he needs a ride though,
Speaker 1: And he probably got a ounce in his pocket and
Speaker 1: strapping his back pocket. But he wants that ride. You
Speaker 1: get pulled over and you're like, damn, everybody going to
Speaker 1: jail because he didn't say that he was dirty, but Orlando,
Speaker 1: Orlando usually do that. That's the that's the belief that
Speaker 1: he was pretty you know, he was pretty active. So
Speaker 1: when you're active, you probably always trapped. And everybody knows that,
Speaker 1: I know money, I know he got a strap exactly,
Speaker 1: so that that's not a question whether you had That's
Speaker 1: not something we talk about. But I don't think that
Speaker 1: Michael Durou should be held to a certain standard because
Speaker 1: his homeboy got a gun. Ninety of the time that
Speaker 1: gun's not getting pulled out. We're on the same page, though,
Speaker 1: if if if we go and I got the gun,
Speaker 1: I'm over to hold a gun on them, you check
Speaker 1: the money or you do the chalking, and I got
Speaker 1: the piston on anybody moved, I got it. That can
Speaker 1: go either way. That's I mean the story is. And
Speaker 1: you'll need to watch forty eight hours because you should
Speaker 1: see how cops we celebrate when niggas talk. Soon as
Speaker 1: we walk all the room talking about when you get
Speaker 1: in that more fucking boot shot, then as a cop.
Speaker 1: They used to tell us, you get into shooting good
Speaker 1: or bad. Good are bad, make them order you to talk.
Speaker 1: Don't talk because you're sitting up a trend if you
Speaker 1: talk when it's good, and then when you have a
Speaker 1: bad shooting, a questionable shooting, and you don't talk, So
Speaker 1: don't talk. That's what all the your your attorneys, you'r
Speaker 1: relpt will tell you. So the only thing you say
Speaker 1: to a police officer when they when they put you
Speaker 1: in the box, hey, y'all sir, And that's how you
Speaker 1: say it so they won't lie and start creating ship
Speaker 1: on you. The only thing you just say to also, hey,
Speaker 1: viewers in my position, or if I was only your
Speaker 1: family member, what would you do. Let's say that to him.
Speaker 1: And if they can't respect that in here, that out
Speaker 1: that they're not good for you anyway, because they'd be
Speaker 1: you know what, you're right, man, A good cop would
Speaker 1: be like, you're right, yeah, but that um but looking
Speaker 1: for the hours you don't see I mean, they give
Speaker 1: each other high fives and stuff like that as soon
Speaker 1: as they get you to talk. And that's how most
Speaker 1: of the time you see them. They don't even I
Speaker 1: wish I could do a book on the man hours
Speaker 1: is solving cases like that? Could solve a case like
Speaker 1: that in Compton in forty hours? Niggas talk all the
Speaker 1: times where if you don't have an eye witness, that's
Speaker 1: the only way called stil cases is my niggas opened
Speaker 1: up their mouths. Yeah, but what has that got to
Speaker 1: do solving them in forty eight hours? Said the first
Speaker 1: the most important but most of the time. But yeah,
Speaker 1: if you got the players, I mean, you know how
Speaker 1: many times Reggie don't got people in the boxing? I mean, man, well,
Speaker 1: the last thing I want to say about that Michael
Speaker 1: Read situation was that Michael Stone was the guy that
Speaker 1: pulled out the gun. First, He's the one that pulled
Speaker 1: the strap out, and Michael's telling him, hey, put that away,
Speaker 1: we're in here for all that. But then and then
Speaker 1: Orlando pulled up. Yeah, well, I'm not sure who's the
Speaker 1: first shooter in that situation. I don't think anyone really
Speaker 1: knows what the London probably wouldn't have pulled his, if
Speaker 1: boy wouldn't have pulled his, That just here's I mean,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And when I know I'm
Speaker 1: guilty and I know I'm olding you don't be a
Speaker 1: little bit more aggressive. And when I know you owed
Speaker 1: me aggressive just like this shirt. Motherfucker's ain't taking that
Speaker 1: and ain't playing. You put a lot of fish on me.
Speaker 1: That's the sign of just well, he probably been looking
Speaker 1: for him for a long time. Yeah, and I've waiting
Speaker 1: to find have been by your house. The unfortunate part
Speaker 1: of the law they have that if you can come
Speaker 1: and commend to crime, you get on the murders. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he got triple life set. I ain't even got gun
Speaker 1: part of and I got trouple life plus forty nine
Speaker 1: three life terms plus forty nine years. But you know, California,
Speaker 1: it's something called rule if you can nick that up
Speaker 1: next year, something called rule nineteen or nineteen. That that
Speaker 1: a lot of guys getting out now for them felony murder,
Speaker 1: the rule. Yeah, I believe that that Michael Durrow will
Speaker 1: be out little out will be out soon. But he's
Speaker 1: already been in there nineteen twenty. He's been over twenty
Speaker 1: years already, you know, So three lives is only and
Speaker 1: it is it's incredible that he got charged with all
Speaker 1: three of those murders and got sentenced to three life
Speaker 1: terms plus forty nine so uh punless you gotta remember
Speaker 1: his red he shot a police officer before. Okay, was
Speaker 1: he convicted for that? Yeah? Okay, Well they don't count
Speaker 1: them really, but but you know, they might bring it up,
Speaker 1: but then they'll tell the jury not to take this
Speaker 1: into account. But it's supposed to be stilled. It's not
Speaker 1: even about he probably took a deal. He probably never
Speaker 1: want to trial on that, did he. Yeah he did,
Speaker 1: he took a deal, but no, My point was the
Speaker 1: judge took it in consideration and sentencing. Yeah, well, judges
Speaker 1: can do whatever they want to do in most instances. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's really no accountability on stuff like that, and we
Speaker 1: don't know the situation of circumstances of why he shot
Speaker 1: the Was it the c HP officer? Yeah, I forget
Speaker 1: jumped down of stolen car. I don't I have to
Speaker 1: forget that. I don't. I love to put Yeah, damn,
Speaker 1: he started, you know, and he wanted the first. You know,
Speaker 1: they always say, how can you be out there doing
Speaker 1: the drive by? It's five yard in the car with
Speaker 1: five guns. One police officer, pull you over and take
Speaker 1: everybody to jail because everybody will to take that penitentiary time.
Speaker 1: But god demn it don't make you taking a penitential
Speaker 1: chance doing the drive ball. They just came over three
Speaker 1: we start. Man. You remember, I remember guncasing Compton used
Speaker 1: to be a misdemeanor case, especially the first time. Ten
Speaker 1: days uh ten days the county jail, three years, uh
Speaker 1: uh probation. That's what they did was they gave me
Speaker 1: well lead forward actually helped me out on that because
Speaker 1: dude didn't come to court. That's when they used to
Speaker 1: do the seventy two hour things. They don't do that
Speaker 1: no more. And the dudes at the light with us
Speaker 1: and he got the throwing it up game banging we
Speaker 1: have were on Roastcrans and Brackfield and were just celebrating,
Speaker 1: just leaving out the parks, celebrating top Dogs birthday. And
Speaker 1: then they just got the throwing rags all out the band,
Speaker 1: just banging and unfortunately somebody shot at him right, so
Speaker 1: the police was, uh pardon was two guards behind us
Speaker 1: and they called us. Then when he took us to jail,
Speaker 1: he say, I saw you do it. You know, he
Speaker 1: say me do ship. The paradin was a cop to yeah,
Speaker 1: but he was also he was a mayor and he
Speaker 1: was he was he was my partner. I mean he's
Speaker 1: he's my father's trainee and he eventually was my training
Speaker 1: at the Lots Park plunge, at the pool he worked at.
Speaker 1: He worked always worked from the city and Daddy was
Speaker 1: over the His brother Percy Parrodon was a commander at
Speaker 1: the police partment. Remember Eric Parrodon won won the mayor,
Speaker 1: but then they overturned it and gave it to Omar Radley.
Speaker 1: That never happened. He kept a full turning. I don't
Speaker 1: want to put him in now. They filed a claim
Speaker 1: against because he didn't ain't some of the money that
Speaker 1: I gave him when I was working for Death Throw,
Speaker 1: and he had to pay that back like twelve or fourteen.
Speaker 1: But but Omar, that's why he hates me to this
Speaker 1: day because he was running a wreck in the city
Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, why would you say he
Speaker 1: was running the wreck? It was running. I sat in
Speaker 1: that trial against Omar Bradley and all the allegations they
Speaker 1: had against him with Tiki tach financial out um, like, uh,
Speaker 1: they're all small time expenses. I was waiting to hear
Speaker 1: a week ago, just got found his case this finally
Speaker 1: got where he got conviction of Yeah, he tried to
Speaker 1: get it up here. But let me just say that.
Speaker 1: Let me say this about the one thing about the
Speaker 1: about when he was there, that city was clean. He
Speaker 1: was big on making park not parking public U public servant.
Speaker 1: I forget the department, but the one to clean up
Speaker 1: the city and all that. He stayed on the ass.
Speaker 1: But in that trial I was wouldn't be the way
Speaker 1: they are under his wife. I was waiting to hear
Speaker 1: um misappropriation of hundreds of thousands of dollars. You know
Speaker 1: what the offenses that Omar Bradley was convicted of. It
Speaker 1: was buying a souvenir at a golf gift shop. That's
Speaker 1: that's all they got. Because they started paying. They knew
Speaker 1: they was getting back invest Yeah, they talked about he
Speaker 1: was trying to pay, but he was trying to pay
Speaker 1: back three hundred dollars. He was all small amount in
Speaker 1: the credit card and they were paying it back and
Speaker 1: they had it for for years. But the but the
Speaker 1: city manager took the fall for most of it, which
Speaker 1: was his boy. Him, my professor from lou got a
Speaker 1: lot of respect from me for him. But they were
Speaker 1: doing things and and and that's what they got him on.
Speaker 1: They were getting a hotel because they're gonna have a
Speaker 1: meeting and they're using the city car to get a hotel.
Speaker 1: All the spending was minor, so I feel like he
Speaker 1: was targeted. I was like, they don't like they want
Speaker 1: to get rid of all. They don't want to Omar
Speaker 1: to ever run for public office again because he spent
Speaker 1: ten dollars on No, no, that some of these things
Speaker 1: actually cost yeah, added up. One of the things was
Speaker 1: a ball marker. You're using golf, that's ten dollars in
Speaker 1: the gift shop. Well yeah, some of the chats with
Speaker 1: three hundred, the hotel room they were they were five
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Was was the most thinking that the city
Speaker 1: manager can do without approval At four he wasn't convicted
Speaker 1: of anything like that. It still doesn't matter if you
Speaker 1: if you'd hit of a corporation every time, should be
Speaker 1: accountable for. I'm gonna use my own money for the
Speaker 1: things that I need. Don't take I don't care if
Speaker 1: it's ten dollars. This is no. So when Obama goes
Speaker 1: to the local store in Washington, d C. And buy sandwiches,
Speaker 1: we're talking about the president. That's taxpayer money. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: when a politician uses taxpayer money, you know the game player,
Speaker 1: you know the you should know what to use, you
Speaker 1: know what to do at the right time your money.
Speaker 1: But you're allowed to do stuff like go get lunch.
Speaker 1: But if them out, yeah, so you should be allowed
Speaker 1: to go play golf if it's for the betterment the
Speaker 1: betterment of the city of Compton. I believe. I believe
Speaker 1: four thousand, nine d nine nine dollars. Sometimes, well, that
Speaker 1: wasn't that was not what Omar Bradley was convicted for
Speaker 1: his first conviction. By the way, it was overturned when
Speaker 1: he was convicted of the same thing with thirteen fourteen
Speaker 1: years ago. This trial that he had in two thousand
Speaker 1: seventeen was a retrial from what happened fifteen years ago.
Speaker 1: So it just was I said, I'm gonna sitting in
Speaker 1: this trial, all right. Don't you think honestly that we're
Speaker 1: being watched and were in high positions anyway, I think
Speaker 1: if people of color like you and I that's watched,
Speaker 1: I think more than more than I think all the
Speaker 1: Mexicans always getting done. I said people, I said people,
Speaker 1: of color very rarely, very rarely. But yeah, but it
Speaker 1: is the politicians in the in the ghetto areas and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But because America is going to be
Speaker 1: with the majority minority country, got rolled up and there
Speaker 1: was a bunch of people and Bill got rolled up,
Speaker 1: and they wouldn't just they weren't. You know, they allowed
Speaker 1: white people to resign, They allowed them to step down,
Speaker 1: they allowed them to lie. Baker's lie. Baker's in prison.
Speaker 1: My point. Yeah, but he's of color, though he's of
Speaker 1: Latino descent. I don't see um Bratton or any of these.
Speaker 1: I never saw Chief Darryl Gates looking at any time
Speaker 1: he resigned and let him resign. So yeah, I do
Speaker 1: believe that people of color that are in political positions
Speaker 1: do have a microscope over them. You know, look at
Speaker 1: the Ray Nagan from New Orleans. He's in prison, serving
Speaker 1: twelve years in the FEDS. Just first, same thing to
Speaker 1: Omar Bradley did. Spending a little bit of money for
Speaker 1: the betterment of New Orleans, but they wanted to get
Speaker 1: rid of Ray Nagan. Chicago got a whole bunch of mirrors.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Blagoya Vinch was one of them, all right,
Speaker 1: So but you know, you bring up an interesting point
Speaker 1: about interrogation, and I want to talk about that because
Speaker 1: there's this show on TV right now and we're not
Speaker 1: gonna go into the details of the show this week.
Speaker 1: Maybe next week we'll talk about the show. But it's
Speaker 1: called When They See Us and it's about the Central
Speaker 1: Park five five teenagers that were convicted of a rape
Speaker 1: in and it turned out they were all innocent. And
Speaker 1: how were they found guilty. They were found guilty by
Speaker 1: aggressive interrogation tactics that the police did on all five
Speaker 1: of these teenagers separately, to where the teenagers eventually just
Speaker 1: started to say whatever the police wanted to hear because
Speaker 1: they want to go home. Here's one of the tactics
Speaker 1: that that cops will use. They'll say, look, tell us
Speaker 1: the truth and you can go home. Tell us the
Speaker 1: truth and we'll let you leave, be out of here
Speaker 1: before dinner time. Uh, you don't tell us the truth,
Speaker 1: We're gonna whoop your ass because this was wrong. You
Speaker 1: knew it was wrong. I mean I didn't have to
Speaker 1: come all different kind of way. I'd have been slapped
Speaker 1: by the police. Uh. I can say his name, now,
Speaker 1: what's the fact white boy name in Lanwood. It was
Speaker 1: the dirty Ones Graves and Uh Graves wanted me and
Speaker 1: wanted me to do an interview I got. They raided
Speaker 1: our house, found a lot of gang ship photo albums
Speaker 1: and all that ship, and they didn't want me to
Speaker 1: do a gang interview. Right before this cops ship was
Speaker 1: coming out the street of the ship cops on TV,
Speaker 1: and Uh I told him no, I didn't want to
Speaker 1: do it. Motherfucker's slapped the ship out of me. I
Speaker 1: didn't do the video, but it was like, goddamn, but
Speaker 1: I'm handcuffed. I'm sitting there and these people here. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't sign no release or nothing, and the motherfucker threw
Speaker 1: me in the cage. You asked out you, what choices
Speaker 1: do you have when when you're dealing with the police
Speaker 1: and they can they can do whatever the funk they
Speaker 1: want to do with you. You know what I'm saying you.
Speaker 1: All you can do is just absorb what they got
Speaker 1: to get what they bringing to you, and you can't
Speaker 1: do no more. All the holland and want to fight
Speaker 1: and all of that ship, You're only bringing more ship
Speaker 1: to you now. I don't think Reggie right Junr used
Speaker 1: those types of techniques when you was um bringing people in.
Speaker 1: I never really had to put my hands on people,
Speaker 1: but I help put my hands on people. But um, um,
Speaker 1: what do you think about the aggressive style of interrogation? Um,
Speaker 1: we didn't get away with that at our department. Won't
Speaker 1: be honest when we um, I'm not saying we didn't.
Speaker 1: Wasn't a little heavy handed or stuff like that, but
Speaker 1: un necessary ship, Yeah, we didn't. We were mainly more
Speaker 1: of a city of um, of respect and all of
Speaker 1: that because we had black, black management. And you get
Speaker 1: a couple of complaints about that ship there they move
Speaker 1: your ass. I love you wouldn't want to be no,
Speaker 1: but a game banger ain't gonna go to the police
Speaker 1: station and say, you wouldn't believe how many times that's
Speaker 1: some crazy ship. They pulled us over one day on
Speaker 1: Stockton and pans sagging. My parents are sagging, and the
Speaker 1: mothercker took the billy club across my ass and across
Speaker 1: the back part of my ass. Bam bam with your
Speaker 1: pants hanging all that know nothing? Yeah, I mean, come on,
Speaker 1: I comp all the men, good guys I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: But what you complaint and if if if you came
Speaker 1: to complaint and you got two or three complaints like that,
Speaker 1: they wrote your ass up. Yeah, But if you're the
Speaker 1: subject of an investigation like these five kids were the
Speaker 1: subject of a rape investigation, there's nothing to complain about.
Speaker 1: You can't who you complain to. They think you're this
Speaker 1: guil Mama, my mama. I would want some aggressive officers
Speaker 1: like that if I felt they were the ones that
Speaker 1: did it. Now, I'm not for creating evidence or are
Speaker 1: lying on people. That wasn't what it was about. But
Speaker 1: as far as setting them in the box and trying
Speaker 1: to get one of them and then when you get
Speaker 1: I mean, you get four motherfucker's four with five of
Speaker 1: them to start telling you the story, and then you
Speaker 1: start believing it, especially when one started what's that one
Speaker 1: crack and told them they were down the right and
Speaker 1: it's obvious they were. They did something wrong with that.
Speaker 1: I don't know that they're repeating them. Well, that's what
Speaker 1: we find out now because Mattia's ris or whatever. We
Speaker 1: end up finding out his DNA was the one that
Speaker 1: was that was involved in it, but just had nothing
Speaker 1: to do with this rape. They were there, I mean,
Speaker 1: the different parts of the part. They didn't even also
Speaker 1: let's also say they didn't even know each other. And
Speaker 1: so but my point is you never give it up.
Speaker 1: But once if this was my mother or something like that.
Speaker 1: And I got one guy that's starting to say, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: we're there, we were there, and we did this and
Speaker 1: did that, I won't start pushing and and stay on
Speaker 1: the other three or four guys, because why would this guy,
Speaker 1: you know, in my mind, why would this gonna be
Speaker 1: copping out to something like that if they didn't do it.
Speaker 1: Now I understand this. This is a rich white lady,
Speaker 1: you know, thinks she worked in Wall Street or something
Speaker 1: like that, or she was a banker or something like
Speaker 1: that that that this this happened to. And so of
Speaker 1: course there was a high profile case, but so unfortunate situation. Um.
Speaker 1: I hate that the guy's broke down and and and
Speaker 1: told it. Um you know, and you know, I guess
Speaker 1: they was exhausted or tired. And only one of these
Speaker 1: guys ever, and how they came out, they just started
Speaker 1: they was slap. Okay, this is why a young kid
Speaker 1: you can't slap, need to make me tell. And they're
Speaker 1: all teenagers. Awesome, So you got grown as man. Probably
Speaker 1: you will sharge your head. You're just so it just
Speaker 1: it can stop. I'll tell you what you want want
Speaker 1: want me to say? What I mean, I'll you what
Speaker 1: you want me to say if you stop hitting me,
Speaker 1: I might say that, but they ain't said that. They
Speaker 1: start telling the story of what the costs. They denied
Speaker 1: any involvement for hours and hours and hours. Everybody does
Speaker 1: at the beginning, and then eventually they start to repeat
Speaker 1: the stuff that they're hearing in the questioned the hits
Speaker 1: or the slaps or whatever to stop because they say, look,
Speaker 1: you're not going home, you're not leaving here. And they
Speaker 1: were slow. That's what people don't know about the kids.
Speaker 1: The guy, uh, Corey Wise, he you know, he was
Speaker 1: depth in the ear or couldn't hear um. You know,
Speaker 1: his dad, I guess his dad worked for a law
Speaker 1: a law office, and and he you know, he admitted
Speaker 1: in the law you know, the lawsuit that he was
Speaker 1: a little slow and it had a hard time hearing
Speaker 1: and all of that. A matter of fact, he got
Speaker 1: tried as an adult. That's the one though, sixteen years
Speaker 1: old that they tried and he had to go to
Speaker 1: an adult prison. Um eventually, but he got a it's
Speaker 1: called Corey Innocent Project in Colorado, and so he's doing
Speaker 1: stuff for people, prom bowling on from his money and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So shout out to here and keep
Speaker 1: up the good work, bro. I hate that that happening.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's that's that's where that that. I know
Speaker 1: that it happens, and it's unfortunate. But I understand the
Speaker 1: zealous of law enforcement trying to make a case like
Speaker 1: that happen. But how many innocent people went to jail
Speaker 1: because people eventually, under the pressure of a ten hour
Speaker 1: interrogation and being immature, are slow. We just eventually say,
Speaker 1: just put a cap on it. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: the cops gotta be a little bit more aware of
Speaker 1: their style of tech, their their technique and interrogation. If
Speaker 1: the information that this guy is feeding me is the
Speaker 1: same stuff that I already told them that I know
Speaker 1: you did, that's almost being stupid. And that was a
Speaker 1: good thing about Great Katie's that I liked that a lot.
Speaker 1: When he said where he pretty much always said things
Speaker 1: that and that's what a cop, a good cop would
Speaker 1: have done. Or he said things that kep d didn't
Speaker 1: know that we knew he told us and that's why
Speaker 1: we always believe a story. And so a good cop
Speaker 1: would press for that because not usually what what I'm
Speaker 1: axing you, it's the lies that usually get your cart up,
Speaker 1: And that's what they're trying to focus on, even with
Speaker 1: trap for another way, how do they get conversated for that?
Speaker 1: How do why the d A can't see through the man?
Speaker 1: She is? OK, let's let's mention her name. The prosecutors
Speaker 1: Linda fairstea was on he was on next flex board
Speaker 1: they and she's being um, she's being like, she has
Speaker 1: to to um, I guess relinquish all these positions that
Speaker 1: she had on different boards. Also, she's the author of
Speaker 1: thirty novels and now the publishers of those novels are
Speaker 1: considering continuing to use her as a writer. People are
Speaker 1: now on the heads of these publishers say why would
Speaker 1: you publish Linda Fairstein's books considering what she did to
Speaker 1: these five teenagers. So she's going through it right now.
Speaker 1: But she's gonna go to jail. She's not gonna do
Speaker 1: no time. But that's that's the point. She should go
Speaker 1: to jail. Some people, where's the accountability? Yeah, Well, if
Speaker 1: the police knew they lie and if they check this out, Reggie,
Speaker 1: if the police knew they would go to prison for
Speaker 1: what happened to these five kids, they would completely revamp
Speaker 1: the style of interrogation because that that would be every
Speaker 1: time mother's will be like gonna get Reggie Jr. In
Speaker 1: jail about to go lie and say I robbed the
Speaker 1: bank and then turn out later I didn't rob the bank.
Speaker 1: And but you want to go to jail for robbing
Speaker 1: the bank for ten years just to get someone in
Speaker 1: trouble to come out later. And I have James going
Speaker 1: to say, no, I don't want to rob the bank.
Speaker 1: That was me. No one want to be saying to
Speaker 1: a crime and lose their freedom just to get someone
Speaker 1: in trouble. What y'all just said, what y'all just said
Speaker 1: was you shouldn't all enforcemen go to jail for when
Speaker 1: people UH create stuff or absolutely they created a case.
Speaker 1: They absolutely created a case against these five people. Know
Speaker 1: they create a case? They did? They didn't. This has
Speaker 1: been a digital so much network production