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Speaker 1: We are back. Welcome in to the two thousand and

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Speaker 1: twenty two season of the Best Podcast Available on Jason

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Speaker 1: Gibbs alongside Andrew Gribble. We have a sponsor. We're presented

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Speaker 1: by a Cross Country Mortgage coming to you live from

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Speaker 1: the Cross Country Mortgage Campus and Gribbs for the next

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Speaker 1: nineteen weeks. Baby, we'll take you all the way up

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Speaker 1: through the combine, through free agency, the draft, into o

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Speaker 1: T a s in demandatory mini camp, and then off

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Speaker 1: for summer vacation, and then the season will be here

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Speaker 1: before we know it. But before then a lot to

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Speaker 1: get to. Yeah, And I think over the years, Best

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Speaker 1: Podcast Available has evolved a bit, and I think when

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Speaker 1: we started this we've made it solely focused on the draft,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's now evolved. We can officially call

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Speaker 1: this an offseason podcast and that can include training camp

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Speaker 1: if we get to that point. But it's it's kind

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Speaker 1: of we fill the void when the Browns are not

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Speaker 1: playing games. We have be covered on all that area.

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Speaker 1: It's roster building, it's roster development. That that's where we're

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Speaker 1: where we're at with this well, and we'll get into

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Speaker 1: a lot of that today in episode one of the

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Speaker 1: two best podcast available as the Browns Vice president of

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Speaker 1: player Personnel Glenn Cook will join the program. Also in

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Speaker 1: her final game with NBC. She's on the call with

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Speaker 1: Al Michaels and Chris Collinsworth on Sunday night for Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl fifty six. Michelle Tafoya, we'll sit down with our

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Speaker 1: special correspondent, Katie Preefer. That comes up later on in

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Speaker 1: the podcast, But Gribbs, I think we want to set

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Speaker 1: the scene here for what comes your way over the

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Speaker 1: next nineteen weeks. There's a lot going on, um, and

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Speaker 1: we're coming off a season that I think all of

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Speaker 1: and some things we're gonna have to watch. There's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a lot of things that happened with this football

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Speaker 1: team over the next nineteen weeks leading into training camp

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Speaker 1: and the season already happening underway. In this whole process,

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Speaker 1: in this draft process, the East West Shrine Bowl and

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Speaker 1: the Shrine Ball. Yeah, this was this was an off

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Speaker 1: think it's good to kind of reset everyone's mindset on

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Speaker 1: mentioned East West Shrine game. This one in my memory

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Speaker 1: involvement with You had four coaches on the brown staff

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Speaker 1: And then Senior Bowl happened just kind of they they

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Speaker 1: hard to believe, but then the NFL calendar really gets going.

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Speaker 1: So the NFL Combine March first through the seventh takes

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Speaker 1: have to adapt to and we always talk about it,

431
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Speaker 1: right just being adaptable and valuable to whatever happens, because

432
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Speaker 1: we still have to be ready to perform as a

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Speaker 1: as a group. So there'll be some change, but also

434
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Speaker 1: there there'll be things that are the same too. I

435
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Speaker 1: know that some of the drills at the combine this

436
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Speaker 1: year are different. Um, do you do you agree with

437
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Speaker 1: some of those changes? We'll see we'll see right over

438
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Speaker 1: time you you get a feel for how effective they

439
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Speaker 1: where I do like that the league and you know,

440
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Speaker 1: the teams you know, incorporated all the feedback, and we

441
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Speaker 1: need to grow, right like, things change that we're playing

442
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Speaker 1: the game a little bit differently, So you do want

443
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Speaker 1: to see if you can you know, absorb or get

444
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Speaker 1: some different information out of doing something maybe a little

445
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Speaker 1: unique to what we've done in the last couple of decades.

446
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Speaker 1: And then when you're sitting down with these guys, these

447
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,359
Speaker 1: are a specific thing that you look for and and

448
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Speaker 1: something that someone else is looking for. How do you

449
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Speaker 1: what what impresses you in those interests A couple of things.

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Speaker 1: So one, right, really it's our first time to get

451
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Speaker 1: a first hand account of just who they are, kind

452
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Speaker 1: of how they got to the university they got to

453
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Speaker 1: and really um what their experience was like. And then

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Speaker 1: you know, obviously there are some some unique questions to

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Speaker 1: that particular player that you probably feel better about getting

456
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Speaker 1: answered or at least hearing their answers firsthand. And then yeah,

457
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Speaker 1: there's other, you know, bits of information that our coaching

458
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Speaker 1: staff can get or if we incorporate into our our

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Speaker 1: you know, auxiliary groups into assessing who they are as

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Speaker 1: an individual. So yeah, it's it's good. You wanna you

461
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Speaker 1: want to get as much information as you can write.

462
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Speaker 1: Like the way we talk about is you will not

463
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Speaker 1: know who they are for the most part walking out

464
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Speaker 1: of a fifteen minute me because they've been at the

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Speaker 1: university for four years. So we're gonna put a lot

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Speaker 1: of weight on that. But there are bits and pieces

467
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Speaker 1: you can get and answer maybe a couple of small

468
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Speaker 1: questions along the way when you sit down with them.

469
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Speaker 1: How much do you factor into the equation that they're

470
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Speaker 1: completely exhausted on no sleep and never everything like that

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Speaker 1: that goes into it. You have to I think sometimes

472
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Speaker 1: that gets that gets lost in terms of you know,

473
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Speaker 1: their interviewing probably a hundred times versus maybe the one

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Speaker 1: or two that I did. You know, maybe we'll talk

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Speaker 1: about that, but uh so, yeah, like you know, they're

476
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Speaker 1: not going to be perfect. You know, we don't expect

477
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Speaker 1: them to to have a perfect, perfect exposure, but you

478
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Speaker 1: just you want to get a feel. It's all for

479
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Speaker 1: that part. It's it's really like the feel and understanding

480
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Speaker 1: who the individual is. It's a lot of work that

481
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Speaker 1: goes into it leading up to it. When will you

482
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Speaker 1: guys huddle up then as a group. Is it right

483
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Speaker 1: after the combine? Is it during the combine to figure

484
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Speaker 1: out next steps? What's happening? Really, it's it's already laid

485
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Speaker 1: out and we'll make tweaks along the way. I think

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Speaker 1: once we get through the combine. Um, you know, our

487
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Speaker 1: scouts really just sprint into two workouts. There's really not

488
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Speaker 1: a ton of time to plan per se. You know,

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Speaker 1: they're they're good, like I said earlier about it justin

490
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Speaker 1: on the run and being where we need them to be. Um,

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Speaker 1: but really we're we're doing the plan in phase right

492
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Speaker 1: now just to make sure we can have a long

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Speaker 1: sprint for the next couple of months. And then when

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Speaker 1: it goes into free agency, is it kind of like

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Speaker 1: a parallel stream thing or how do you guys, how

496
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Speaker 1: does this all intersect do? I think we did a

497
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Speaker 1: great job of of really isolating the two just because

498
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Speaker 1: of the time and you know, free agencies you know,

499
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Speaker 1: mid March, right, and so you know, once we get

500
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Speaker 1: through this part of our draft meetings, what kind of

501
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Speaker 1: double back and make sure our plan is is really

502
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Speaker 1: tight and clean in terms of free agency and and

503
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Speaker 1: really have a full bore aggressive process there and once

504
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Speaker 1: we close that door, we move on to the draft

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Speaker 1: and really our minds set on, you know, bringing in

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Speaker 1: the right men and talent into this organization from from

507
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Speaker 1: a development standpoint. You personally promoted to VP of player

508
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Speaker 1: Personnel in what's the one what's the one thing you've

509
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Speaker 1: grown the most or learned the most? Has there been

510
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Speaker 1: a piece of advice? Has there been something? I mean,

511
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Speaker 1: you've been with the organization since I mean you've seen

512
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Speaker 1: a lot here and you've been part of the highs,

513
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Speaker 1: you've been part the lows, and you know that there's

514
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Speaker 1: a lot of excitement. I said this, I would not

515
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Speaker 1: trade the experience, and some people in that necessarily believe

516
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Speaker 1: me on that. You know, my first year we're win

517
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Speaker 1: in fifteen and your two own sixteen. But I would

518
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Speaker 1: not trade the experience because you often learn a lot

519
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Speaker 1: more in failure than you're doing success. It's it's not

520
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Speaker 1: easier to be successful, but it's easier to go through that.

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Speaker 1: So I think, um, it's kind of built up to

522
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Speaker 1: the callous across our group in terms of handling adversity

523
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Speaker 1: and also appreciating the good times. Um, So that's one

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Speaker 1: thing I've taken away from it, and then too, it's

525
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Speaker 1: just really I've gotten a latitude to grow um and

526
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Speaker 1: you know in some organizations that's not the case. But

527
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Speaker 1: here's something that we really push and not only in

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Speaker 1: word but in action, and so like, I've been grateful that,

529
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Speaker 1: you know, I've gotten the time to do it, which

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Speaker 1: is one piece of it, but I've also gotten the

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Speaker 1: opportunity in terms of resources to do it. So that's

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Speaker 1: just growth. And I'm still growing, you know, I'm still

533
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Speaker 1: learning things every day in terms of how to how

534
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Speaker 1: to be the right leader, how to be a right teammate.

535
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Speaker 1: Then it really provide whatever, you know, assets team needs

536
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Speaker 1: in terms of me to make good decisions. So it's

537
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Speaker 1: been good. It's been good. It real And Gibbs obviously

538
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Speaker 1: mentioning the Professional Group, he had the opportunity to interviuce

539
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Speaker 1: with some teams this offseason for GM positions. How was

540
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Speaker 1: that experience and how is this, obviously with Quacy going

541
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Speaker 1: on to be the GM in Minnesota, how is this

542
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Speaker 1: organization kind of set set up the platform for you

543
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Speaker 1: guys to So so first I'll say congratulations to Quacy

544
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Speaker 1: if he hears this, you know, he's a listener he

545
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Speaker 1: needs to be, but really excited for him. And it's

546
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Speaker 1: funny because it's something that I think he and I

547
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Speaker 1: have talked about a lot the last couple of years.

548
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Speaker 1: Just like I said earlier, just we get the room

549
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Speaker 1: to be prepared and grow. Um for those opportunities at

550
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Speaker 1: this at this organization, I can't say that enough. And

551
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Speaker 1: so um being able to spend time with two other teams,

552
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Speaker 1: I really took away two things. One, uh, just how

553
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Speaker 1: scarce enrich those opportunities are. It's great for me, you know,

554
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Speaker 1: I got to meet new people and learn sing great things.

555
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Speaker 1: And secondly, it's honestly, there's a couple of things I

556
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: can work on. It's just like our players, right Like,

557
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Speaker 1: no matter how good or great you are, there's always

558
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Speaker 1: something you can improve on. So I'm gonna take the experience,

559
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Speaker 1: take the learning from it, and try to be prepared

560
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Speaker 1: if the opportunity comes up again. How's your hoops game?

561
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Speaker 1: Whose game is awful? I have not? Who have not coughed? Oh? Kids,

562
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Speaker 1: get in the way of this man. I love the

563
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: little guy. He's two years old. We got another one

564
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Speaker 1: on the way, so perfect time, and I think it'll

565
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Speaker 1: be the last day of O t A s so

566
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Speaker 1: better than week seven on the first one. Just got

567
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Speaker 1: a time as well as ab did. Oh no, yeah,

568
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Speaker 1: God bless him on now. But now family is good.

569
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Speaker 1: Family is good. We're enjoying Cleveland. Well, buckle up the

570
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: next three plus months, four months, it's gonna be a

571
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a rad race for lack of a

572
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Speaker 1: better term. And uh, this front office is showing that

573
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Speaker 1: they're ready to go and in collaboration with a great

574
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Speaker 1: coaching stuff. Yeah no, I mean our our coach of

575
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Speaker 1: staff is been a pleasure to work with. I think

576
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Speaker 1: Kevin makes it clear and easy for us. We know

577
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Speaker 1: exactly what he wants and needs. Um. You know, everyone

578
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: communicates really really well. We challenge each other. I think

579
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Speaker 1: it's it's how it should be. Appreciate the time. Wish

580
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Speaker 1: you all the best of luck. We'll see out on

581
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Speaker 1: the road. We'll see an indie periodically and uh, best

582
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Speaker 1: wishes with free agency, draft and and everything that goes

583
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Speaker 1: along with it. Continued success to you as well. Personally,

584
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Speaker 1: I appreciate a good good being in the room with

585
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Speaker 1: you guys. It's been a while. I know. VP of

586
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Speaker 1: Clear Personal Glenn Cook here on the best podcast available.

587
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Speaker 1: All right, Michelle, First of all, let me say what

588
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:46,959
Speaker 1: an honor it is to be able to speak with

589
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Speaker 1: you today. You have been and always will be such

590
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: an inspiration to women in sports, and Sunday Night Football

591
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: just won't be the same without you. Oh that is

592
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: so sweet. Thank you, Katie. But of course, with that

593
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Speaker 1: being said, super Bowl fifty six is on Sunday, but

594
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Speaker 1: it's also your three hundred and NFL broadcast. That's crazy.

595
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Speaker 1: You've covered everything from Monday Night football, soccer, college football,

596
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: the Olympics basketball, and it's two thousand eleven have been

597
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: the sideline reporter for Sunday Night Football with NBC. What

598
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Speaker 1: are you taking away from all of it as this

599
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: chapter of your career comes to an end. Well, that's

600
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Speaker 1: it's a lot to reflect on. Um, I've enjoyed every

601
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Speaker 1: event that I've covered. As i've covered it, I've I've

602
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: tried to enjoy and soak it up while I'm in it,

603
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to do that this week too. I

604
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Speaker 1: haven't you know. It's so funny. I've asked the same

605
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Speaker 1: question of athletes who are retiring or who have hit

606
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Speaker 1: a milestone, or whatever the case. May be, and and

607
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Speaker 1: now I get I used to always get tired of

608
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Speaker 1: the answer. I'm not reflecting on it right now. You know,

609
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: you're like, come on, just say give me something, But

610
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Speaker 1: I am not really that reflective right now. I think

611
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Speaker 1: I have so much in my life outside of this

612
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: job that keeps me busy and engaged and excited that

613
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Speaker 1: I'm really just looking forward to what's next. And you know,

614
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Speaker 1: it's that number three is kind of mind boggling, Um,

615
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Speaker 1: when I really think about it, because I think it's

616
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Speaker 1: more than more games than Ben Roethlisberger played, you know,

617
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Speaker 1: I it's I've been at it longer than Tom Brady was.

618
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Speaker 1: It was just kind of crazy. So when I when

619
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Speaker 1: I think of it in those terms, I go, wow,

620
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Speaker 1: I really have done this a long time. But really

621
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Speaker 1: that's just um broadcast stacking up and adding up. And

622
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Speaker 1: so it's, Um, I'm not giving you a great answer

623
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Speaker 1: because I just don't have one, because I just feel

624
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Speaker 1: like it's all been so amazing and great and I'll

625
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Speaker 1: never forget it and it'll always be some of the

626
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: most treasured times of my life. Um. But here we go,

627
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: Super Bowl time. Time to honker down and get ready

628
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: and make the last one the best if we possibly can. Absolutely,

629
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Speaker 1: super Bowl fifty six I just feel like has all

630
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Speaker 1: of these different storylines with Sean McNay and Zach Taylor

631
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Speaker 1: making history as the youngest coaching matchup in a Super

632
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Speaker 1: Bowl and we have to number one Pig quarterbacks going

633
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Speaker 1: head to head. How do you prepare for essentially the

634
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: biggest sporting event of the year. Well, it's interesting, you

635
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Speaker 1: all of the work that you've done up to this

636
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: point sort of adds up exponentially, and so you know,

637
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: it's it's crazy, But it's like when a team goes

638
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: into training camp, they're installing an offense, installing a defense,

639
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: and every week they put that to the test and

640
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: they tweak it and they tweak it and they try

641
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: to perfect it and they find other ways to match

642
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: up against other opponents. That's kind of like what this is.

643
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Speaker 1: We you know, and over the years, we've always tried

644
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Speaker 1: to get better every single week. Sunday Night Football is

645
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: a group of perfectionists and high achievers and we are

646
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: always trying to get better. And so of course you

647
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: want to ramp up and make the Super Bowl your

648
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: best one. But like a lot of teams find out

649
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: with a lot of experience. If you make it bigger,

650
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: then it should be. You can you can fail spectacularly,

651
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: you can cause yourself problems. So we're preparing a lot

652
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: of the same way. Um we've we've only had the

653
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: Bengals on once and it was a wild card game

654
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: that our crew out Chris and I did not do.

655
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Speaker 1: So we're not you know, this is gonna be an

656
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: interesting type of preparation for a team that we don't

657
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: really know that well, the three of us, So we've

658
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: been really getting into the video and really getting into

659
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: the research on that. But for the Rams, we've covered

660
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: them a bunch over the years, and and Sean mcbay's

661
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: Rams in particular, so we know that team very well.

662
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Speaker 1: Um So it is just kind of remembering to take

663
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Speaker 1: a deep breath and say, there is such thing as

664
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Speaker 1: over preparation. We come close to it, but you know,

665
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: you've got to remember the game is the star of

666
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: the show and once it kicks off, you gotta let

667
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: it happen. Pick your spots of where something is going

668
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: to fit in, if it's worth fitting in, And that's

669
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Speaker 1: really that's really about it. I mean, yeah, that's that's amazing.

670
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Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people would think there's

671
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: all the obviously, there's so many intricate details that go

672
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: into it, but just even hearing you say to make

673
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: sure not to over prepare, to be honest, I'm sure

674
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh and Zach Taylor are telling that their players

675
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: the same thing. So and they they are. We just

676
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: met with Sean before I came on with you, and

677
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: that's something he said he wanted to remind his players about. Yeah,

678
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: that's the biggest game of your life. We get that,

679
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: but it's gonna be Uh, it's gonna it's still football.

680
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: We're not going to reinvent the wheel. This is not

681
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: the time to do that. And let's just stay even

682
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: killed have embrace the process, enjoy the fact that it

683
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: is the game, and but you know, prepare like we

684
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 1: always have, uh, do the work, do the work exceptionally well,

685
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: which we all try to do on Sunday Football, and

686
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 1: then go play the game. Are you feeling any certain

687
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: type of way with this being your your final broadcast

688
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 1: with Sunday Night Football and NBC or are you kind

689
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: of just being like, Okay, it's you know, it's just

690
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: another broadcast. A little of both, Um, after I talk

691
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,720
Speaker 1: to you today. Later on, I'm gonna go have dinner

692
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: with Alan Chris, our producer and director, Fred Adilly, and

693
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: Durezakov and a guy that's been with us through all

694
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Speaker 1: these years, um, the guy named Vinni Rao, and and

695
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: we're just having our own little dinner to kind of,

696
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: in a way, get ready for all of the parting

697
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: of the ways. You know, Um, l is leaving Sunday

698
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: Night Football. I'm leaving Sunday Night Football. Our producer is

699
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: leaving Sunday Night Football. He'll be involved in a tangential way,

700
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: but he's moving on. So this is the last for

701
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: a bunch of us, and we're gonna miss each other.

702
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: We're family, and so tonight could get emotional. But then

703
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: after that, it's like, uh, the other part of what

704
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: you said, Go work the game like you always work

705
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: the game. And I'm gonna be so busy right after

706
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: the super Bowl. It's not like I'm flying off to

707
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: Hawaii and go line to beach for a wee. I'm

708
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: gonna be really busy and so there's not gonna be

709
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: any letdown. And I think that that's keeping me kind

710
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: of on the rails if you know what I mean. Yeah, absolutely,

711
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: I mean I will say I think you do deserve

712
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: a little bit of a vacation, So I hope you

713
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 1: find time to squeeze that in. We'll figure it out later. Perfect.

714
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: So I feel like the people at home watching obviously

715
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 1: only see what's on their TV. But is there a

716
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: memorable moment that stands out to you that happened off screen,

717
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,479
Speaker 1: Whether that's a blooper you know, you were talking about

718
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: your relationships with your the Sunday Night football group. Maybe

719
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 1: it's memories with them, Maybe you almost got tackled by

720
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett or somebody another big football player. I don't

721
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: care what it is, But is there a specific moment

722
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: that comes to mind right away? There are so so many.

723
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: Um the best times that we have as a group

724
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: are probably I mean, we love being on the air,

725
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: and we love covering the game, and it's fun and

726
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: it's exciting and it's you know, every moment matters. But

727
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 1: the times that we're together in a van ride going

728
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 1: to a practice and then coming home or coming home

729
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 1: after a game and just sort of debriefing and laughing

730
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: about our mistakes or laughing or just reliving the place. Um,

731
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: those are those are great, and it's been that way

732
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: for so long that there are just so many of them.

733
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Speaker 1: I mean, we're just to we we've traveled together so

734
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: much it's been incredible. And um, so you know there

735
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 1: have been many times where we've done a Thanksgiving night

736
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: game and then jumped on a charter plane together just

737
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: six or eight of us, and flown to the next

738
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Speaker 1: Sunday location. And those flights can be a blast, you know,

739
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: depending on how things went, those flights can be a blast,

740
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: and they can just be so much fun. Um. Mike Evans,

741
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: the big receiver for Tampa Bay, ran right into me.

742
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 1: And during the right before the divisional game, they were

743
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: on the field. We were trying to rehearse, and so

744
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: my back was to the field, which never is and

745
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,720
Speaker 1: and Mike ran right into me. And I remember thinking, wow,

746
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: what just hit me? And uh turned around. It was

747
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: Mike Evans. He's like, You're okay, right, And I said

748
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: I'm fine. But I thought, imagine if he were really

749
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: at full speed he was just running around. Imagine if

750
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: he was a safety, who was you know, going to

751
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: just kill the opposition. So it kind of came this

752
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 1: taste of supers. That's what it's like. That's craziness. Um.

753
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: I've done a lot of running around chasing coaches down

754
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: at halftime, uh, to get them to talk. That's always

755
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 1: just craziness. I remember chasing Tony Roma once we wanted

756
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: to make sure Tony was gonna play in a Dallas game.

757
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: And I don't remember what. I don't remember where we were,

758
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 1: but it wasn't in Dallas because it was raining out.

759
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 1: I think it was Seattle, and I had an umbrella

760
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: and I'm running as fast as I can, and it

761
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: dawns on me this is pregame that the umbrella is

762
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: creating all this drag. Like you know, if you try

763
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: to run with an umbrella, it's creating drag and it

764
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: slows you down. So I just let go of the

765
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: umbrella and then started sprinting after Tony Rama. Well, the

766
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: following week, our camera people had caught that whole sequence

767
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: from one of the hunt and showed it in our meeting,

768
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 1: and it was it was just absolutely funny, and um,

769
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: I'm glad it never made it public, but it was.

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00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: It was funny and uh so you know, it's just

771
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 1: I don't know SI many things like that that probably

772
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: aren't that funny to anyone else, but they were really

773
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: fun for us. Absolutely other than you know, making sure

774
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: you're your head is always on a swivel and being

775
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: careful of those umbrellas. Do you have any other pieces

776
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: of advice for any woman in the sports industry that

777
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: helps you become so successful but also stay so confident

778
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: over the years. Well, I would say for any woman,

779
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: any man, any human, remember that you are you, and

780
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,280
Speaker 1: to be as authentically you as you can. If you can't,

781
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,439
Speaker 1: you might get somewhere trying to be like somebody else,

782
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: or trying to act like somebody else, or trying to

783
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: sort of affect you know it, just sort of have

784
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: an affectation that makes you seem like you're more confident

785
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: than you actually are inside. If you're not that confident,

786
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: if you're a little nervous, it's okay. You can mask it,

787
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: but it don't make it um. Don't overcompensate for it

788
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: and try to be something you're not. I remember when

789
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Speaker 1: I first got into this field, which was a long

790
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: time ago, and there weren't that many women doing it.

791
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: But I said to myself, I'm not going in this

792
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 1: to be a woman doing sports going into this to

793
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: be a journalist and to cover sports that I love,

794
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: and so I'm gonna go compete that way. I'm not

795
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: going to think of myself as a woman in a

796
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: man's world like everyone wanted to pigeonhole it that way.

797
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: That's why would you put that hurdle in front of yourself.

798
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: Just go compete your ass off, excuse me with whoever

799
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: is there. Just go compete and do the job the

800
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: best way that you can. And I'd say that to

801
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: a of male, of female and anyone else in between,

802
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: that you know, just you have to be authentically. You

803
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: go work on being a pro and being the best

804
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: journalist you possibly can and and don't let the other part,

805
00:40:55,280 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 1: don't put hurdles in your own way. Yeah. Incredible, And

806
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,280
Speaker 1: I'm definitely sitting here on the edge of my seat

807
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: listening to every last word because, like I said, you

808
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: have been just such an inspiration. I've grown up watching you.

809
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: You're part of the reason I'm sitting here doing what

810
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,280
Speaker 1: I do regardless. So, like I said, Sunday Night football

811
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: is just not going to be the same without you.

812
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: But I'm so excited to see all the success that

813
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: you have in this next next chapter. Thanks so much, Michelle, Katy,

814
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 1: it's a pleasure. Thank you very much. Enjoyed it. Thanks

815
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: to Katie Preefer and Michelle Tafoya from NBC Sports for

816
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: her time and all the best this Sunday night and

817
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: Super Bowl fifty six GRIBs Super fifty six last Sunday

818
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: for football for quite some time here. I know, we

819
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: got to get a little taste of it this past Sunday,

820
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: and I was a lot more productive during my day.

821
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: I mean, like the the championship weekend has ruined me,

822
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: and then that with the previous weekend, with the incredible

823
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: slate of games, Like I didn't watch all of it,

824
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: but it was always top of mind. I just it

825
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 1: made me check my phone. Last it was kind of freeing.

826
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Speaker 1: But then now it's going to be a long long

827
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: time and I don't even Super Bowl sended to me

828
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: is like not like a normal football Sunday. So it

829
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: doesn't I feel like it. We've already moved past like

830
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: football season. Now it's like this is just a unique,

831
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: weird one off, you know, it's not like the rest

832
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: of the season. Yeah, it will be, uh, it will

833
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: be a different Super Bowl that we've had in the

834
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 1: past simply because of who's playing. Yeah, in this Super Bowl,

835
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: I'm excited. I mean, I think it'll be fun to watch.

836
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: I think I like going into these matchups with kind

837
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: of no idea who's going to win. And even though

838
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: a lot of these other Super Bowls, someone else is

839
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: one that you didn't expect, but this one truly enters

840
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: as like a no clear favorite type of game, and

841
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: I think that that bodes well for the Bengals. I mean,

842
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,280
Speaker 1: I think that they're going to be in a good spot.

843
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: And I it doesn't make sense objectively maybe too from

844
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: a just matchups and everything, but the Bengals are having

845
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,919
Speaker 1: kind of one of those season for three weeks now. Yeah,

846
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: they haven't really played even great in these playoffs, but

847
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: they just find ways to win games, and that's they

848
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 1: just have to win one more and then the the

849
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: improbable will happen. As we get ready to wrap up,

850
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 1: quick takeaway from Glenn Cook, I mean, it's just great,

851
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: really insightful stuff, and I think that it's interesting to

852
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: hear how there's just kind of these parallel streams going

853
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: on with free agency and draft, but they do kind

854
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Speaker 1: of intersect in some way, and as much this this organization.

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Speaker 1: The last couple of years with Andrew Berry has talked

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Speaker 1: just so happens that the last two years, though they've

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Speaker 1: wide receiver this year. But that's a dangerous path to

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Speaker 1: go down. It's one that some some teams, maybe the Giants,

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Speaker 1: agent signings. But if if it's the right fit, you

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Speaker 1: off a little bit in the draft. We'll be back

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Speaker 1: with you next Thursday and every Thursday from here on

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Speaker 1: out for the next nineteen weeks, taking you through the

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Speaker 1: VP of player Personnel. Thanks to NBC Sports, Michelle Tafoya,

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Speaker 1: and Katie Preefer. Thanks to Jeff McDaniel for all of

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Speaker 1: his hard work. Back on the show again this season.

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