Speaker 1: Oh man, it's already noon. I gotta get going on
Speaker 1: my story. Hello, blank page, All right, I can do this.
Speaker 1: Here we go typing a sentence. This is hard. I
Speaker 1: wonder what's happening on Twitter. I'll just click over for
Speaker 1: a quick minute breaking news. Everything is horrible. No, your horror.
Speaker 1: This is a distraction. Distraction gate stop. Here's a photo
Speaker 1: of a panda. Oh god, it's three thirty. Why do
Speaker 1: I ever read Twitter? I feel like garbage. I really
Speaker 1: need to get to work. Okay, writing some words, this
Speaker 1: isn't so bad. Oh a chat message? I want a gossip.
Speaker 1: You know you want to gossip. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: heard the salacious thing about this person we talk about
Speaker 1: all the time. Let's dissect it together for the next
Speaker 1: twenty five minutes. It's gonna be juicy and fun. And
Speaker 1: we'll also talk about work a little bit, so you
Speaker 1: can justify spending your time chatting with me. Okay, that
Speaker 1: was fun. That comes is work? Right. While I'm here,
Speaker 1: I might as well click over to my team's group chat.
Speaker 1: We're working on a big project. I bet there are
Speaker 1: important updates for me in there, dancing. I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm forgetting something, something important. Oh god, my story and
Speaker 1: it's almost four I just need to focus. I'm so
Speaker 1: bad at concentrating on one task, even when I know
Speaker 1: it needs to get done as soon as possible. But
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get serious now. I'm gonna sit down and write.
Speaker 1: But I wonder what's happening on Facebook. Welcome to Works
Speaker 1: for Me, the show where we try to fix our
Speaker 1: workplace problems to find out what strategies will work for you.
Speaker 1: I'm Francesco Levi and I'm Rebecca Greenfield. This week, it's
Speaker 1: Beca's turn to take us on a productivity journey. Becca,
Speaker 1: what is the problem you're trying to solve this week?
Speaker 1: As you heard in that dramatic reenactment at the top
Speaker 1: of the show, I cannot focus on my work. I
Speaker 1: get distracted by Twitter or the Internet or my email
Speaker 1: or chat very easily. And it feels like I can
Speaker 1: never sit down and complete a task without an interruption.
Speaker 1: How is that possible? I know that you can. You're
Speaker 1: capable of getting things done. You get things done all
Speaker 1: the time. In fact, I think you're like a particularly
Speaker 1: productive person. Like I know people who can't focus, and
Speaker 1: you're nowhere on that list. Okay, yeah, that is, this
Speaker 1: is what people say to me. So when I told Danny,
Speaker 1: my boyfriend, that I wanted to work on my focus
Speaker 1: for our next experiment, he had the exact same reaction
Speaker 1: as you did. But as I explained to him, getting
Speaker 1: things done is different than being focused on the things
Speaker 1: you're doing. I don't really understand why you think you
Speaker 1: need to focus better, because you are way more efficient
Speaker 1: than anyone I know. You'll be like, all I did
Speaker 1: was chat all day and then I wrote these four stories.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what, I've never written four stars in one day.
Speaker 1: And also, I don't think we can play this from
Speaker 1: my employer because I'm not g chatting all day. You're not.
Speaker 1: You are working while chatting me. Okay, well, I would
Speaker 1: like to not have that habit. I would like to
Speaker 1: work really focused and then when I'm done, reward myself
Speaker 1: with a G chat and then be the best version
Speaker 1: of myself. Okay, So you're not liking the experience you're
Speaker 1: having while you're getting stuff done. I do not like
Speaker 1: the experience, and this is a common problem that I
Speaker 1: guess you have. Also, um, I'm far from the only
Speaker 1: person who can't focus. British Telecom found that people check
Speaker 1: their phones every twelve minutes, so yeah, this is something
Speaker 1: a lot of people can relate to. Yeah, I definitely.
Speaker 1: I mean, my phone just flashed. There's like a new
Speaker 1: feature where it shows you how much screen time, and
Speaker 1: my just was like an unwelcome push notification about my
Speaker 1: screen time. And I was shocked and horrified at just
Speaker 1: like the amount of time staring at my phone, because
Speaker 1: I know I'm not most of the time, I'm not
Speaker 1: working when I'm staring at my phone. So I've done
Speaker 1: on a phone. Yeah, okay, so your focus is a
Speaker 1: problem apparently, and you wanted to fix it. How so
Speaker 1: I didn't really know how. I looked some stuff up online,
Speaker 1: and there are all of these brain training websites, but
Speaker 1: they didn't really get at what I wanted. Like, I
Speaker 1: didn't want to get better brain games. I wanted to
Speaker 1: get better at focusing on my work. So I went
Speaker 1: out and found a super concentrator, the simone Biles of Concentrating.
Speaker 1: If you will, it's not unusual for me to do.
Speaker 1: I can do a five six hour, seven hour day
Speaker 1: where I'm just working on one thing. That's Cal Newport.
Speaker 1: He's a computer scientist at Georgetown university. He also happens
Speaker 1: to be very good at concentrating. He even wrote a
Speaker 1: book about it. It's called Deep Work Rules for Focused
Speaker 1: Success in a Distracted World. Cal got interested in concentrating
Speaker 1: when he started looking into how people do their jobs.
Speaker 1: He quickly realized that the answer to that was not
Speaker 1: very well. He found that the workplace is a very
Speaker 1: distracting place, and people like us have convinced ourselves that
Speaker 1: engaging in the distractions like answering emails and slack messages
Speaker 1: is part of our jobs. But he says, it's just not.
Speaker 1: I don't think we're properly valuing uh, concentration, because it's
Speaker 1: easy to say, you know what, I'm busy, I'm communicating,
Speaker 1: a lot of messages are moving, I'm on messenger, I'm
Speaker 1: on my phone, I'm active a lot. So I must
Speaker 1: be productive. I must be doing something something right. I
Speaker 1: must be producing value. But I think when you look
Speaker 1: a little bit closer, you realize actually it's the undistracted,
Speaker 1: concentrated work that is more valuable to the bottom line
Speaker 1: in many different positions, in many different fields. Kel on
Speaker 1: the other hand, doesn't operate like this at all. In
Speaker 1: his work life. He gets all of his work done
Speaker 1: during the hours of nine to five. He doesn't use
Speaker 1: social media, he ignores his inbox. He's disciplined, so he
Speaker 1: realized that he had a lot to teach sad distracted
Speaker 1: sacks like me. The good news is that, according to
Speaker 1: cal most people don't even know how much they can
Speaker 1: really focus because as they're not even trying well. I
Speaker 1: think physical fitness is a good analogy for thinking about this.
Speaker 1: A lot of people incorrectly think about the ability to
Speaker 1: focus as something like a habit, like flossing their teeth,
Speaker 1: something they know how to do. It's just a matter
Speaker 1: of doing it more often. That's not actually the case.
Speaker 1: If you're not actually training your mind to be good
Speaker 1: at sustained concentration, you're actually not going to get nearly
Speaker 1: as much value out of your concentration sessions. So this
Speaker 1: is not about small tweaks around the edges. Really embracing
Speaker 1: focus as a core skill in your job and something
Speaker 1: that you practice and protect can have massive changes to
Speaker 1: the amount of things you're able to produce in the
Speaker 1: quality level of those things. Cow says that you have
Speaker 1: to work out the concentration muscles in your brain, and
Speaker 1: by working them out you'll get better at using them.
Speaker 1: So everyone's trying to multitask because they feel obligated to.
Speaker 1: But multitasking is the destruction of your work, and you
Speaker 1: really need to concentrate. And apparently concentrating is something that
Speaker 1: you have to use it or lose it, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I find this very encouraging. Well, so what are you
Speaker 1: going to do to improve your concentration? I Am going
Speaker 1: to work out my brain in an attempt to learn
Speaker 1: how to concentrate better. Cal told me about this interval
Speaker 1: training exercise where you sit down with a timer and
Speaker 1: do twenty minutes of work focusing on a single difficult task.
Speaker 1: If I can get through twenty minutes a few times
Speaker 1: without distraction, I can increase the time by ten minutes.
Speaker 1: And if I get through that, increase it another ten minutes,
Speaker 1: and so on. Cal also talked about how it helps
Speaker 1: to have a ritual before you start doing focused work,
Speaker 1: like he always takes a walk to get coffee before
Speaker 1: getting down to work. So I'm going to walk around
Speaker 1: the news room and put on music without words to
Speaker 1: get in the zone. I'll do all of this for
Speaker 1: a week. Like this, you have like a little workout
Speaker 1: plan from your personal trainer, except it's for your brain,
Speaker 1: not your body muscles. But how will you know if
Speaker 1: you have succeeded. So I am not very confident in
Speaker 1: my focus ability really at all. Like twenty minutes of
Speaker 1: doing one thing uninterrupted sounds completely impossible to me. Like
Speaker 1: when I'm writing a story, I cannot not click over
Speaker 1: to something or some other tab, Like I'm writing one
Speaker 1: sentence and I need to distract myself. So I think
Speaker 1: I'm going to suck at this. But that said, I
Speaker 1: want to be able to do thirty minutes of uninterrupted
Speaker 1: focused time by the end of my experiment. I'm starting
Speaker 1: off the experiment by doing the ritual, which is walking
Speaker 1: around the newsroom once before I get started. So that's
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. Look, I'm like a crazy person talking
Speaker 1: to this microphone. This was me on my first day,
Speaker 1: completing my first ritual lap around the office. Okay, back
Speaker 1: at my desk, going to find my playlist. I found.
Speaker 1: I found this playlist called Concentrate at work on Spotify.
Speaker 1: Going to set a timer or queue up a timer
Speaker 1: twenty minutes and I have a story that I'm working on.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna work on that and ready set good the
Speaker 1: playlist had a lot of technobis. I sat down to
Speaker 1: work on my story and it wasn't as hard as
Speaker 1: I thought it would be. I was trying really hard
Speaker 1: to not look at distracting things, and it was working.
Speaker 1: But soon enough I realized that I wasn't exactly concentrating
Speaker 1: on my work either. I have five minutes left. I
Speaker 1: think I'm basically sitting here staring at the page and
Speaker 1: not concentrating thinking about other things. I'm gonna call this
Speaker 1: I fail. Well, this gets into like a a tricky area, right,
Speaker 1: because you thought you'd have to just eliminate your distractions,
Speaker 1: but then you find ways to distract yourself with your
Speaker 1: own mind, even if you're not actually like looking at
Speaker 1: Twitter or doing whatever else would take you away from
Speaker 1: being in your word document. Yeah, my brain was distracting
Speaker 1: itself fine enough on its own. Did not need the
Speaker 1: two meets. But I did decide to try it again
Speaker 1: that day. Okay, take two. Gotta in my ritual again.
Speaker 1: So I did my ritual again and walked around the
Speaker 1: news room. Then I sat down to do my work,
Speaker 1: and again my brain was fighting the concentration. I was
Speaker 1: reading a story and my eyes were jumping all over
Speaker 1: the page, just looking for something else to do. But
Speaker 1: if that weren't bad enough, then something out of my
Speaker 1: control happened. Becca if Ellen was a woman, yeah, is
Speaker 1: that the subjects lite? What if he was O? Great technicallymatically,
Speaker 1: but it's a subject time, so I think stuff. Okay. So,
Speaker 1: as you saw, I got interrupted by my boss asking
Speaker 1: me a question. That's I can't X out her window.
Speaker 1: She just talked to me. Okay, that's over. Timer is up. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm done with this experiment right now. Too much to do. Well,
Speaker 1: there's a wrench that got thrown into your plan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you we work in an open office, like not every
Speaker 1: interruption is a self imposed interruption like the internet. It's
Speaker 1: I'm also, this was your boss talking to you, right,
Speaker 1: so it was hardly somebody you could ignore or just
Speaker 1: be like, excuse me, I'm concentrating right now doing an
Speaker 1: experiment for a podcast to improve myself. Yeah. No, I
Speaker 1: couldn't do that. And cal had warned me about the
Speaker 1: stuff about my brain fighting it, but he didn't really
Speaker 1: warn me about the realities of working in a modern
Speaker 1: open office and how that could interfere with my experience.
Speaker 1: So I tried one more time on that first day,
Speaker 1: and I failed yet again. Fifty seconds left and I
Speaker 1: clicked away man. So that not a very successful first
Speaker 1: day of focusing. Huh. No, my first day was a bust.
Speaker 1: It sucked. I failed like hard every single time, and
Speaker 1: I was really feeling bad, really bad about myself. But
Speaker 1: I had to keep going with the experiment. So on
Speaker 1: day two I soldiered on and after the break, we'll
Speaker 1: see how I did. After my day of failures, on
Speaker 1: day two, I decided that the playlist was the reason
Speaker 1: for my failed first day. I really hated the music.
Speaker 1: I am just really not into techno. It felt like
Speaker 1: being inside and urban outfitters or a Burning Man themed
Speaker 1: co working space. It was not for me. I don't
Speaker 1: alienate our techno loving listeners. Sorry, it's just awesome for me.
Speaker 1: But I found something I liked better called chill lo
Speaker 1: fi steady beats. I don't have to play for you,
Speaker 1: but I can if you want, I can imagine what
Speaker 1: it sounds like. I'll ever every one second. That's how
Speaker 1: a creepy Okay, well that's that sounds like haunted music
Speaker 1: box in the haunted house. But whatever works for you,
Speaker 1: sleepy wow, right, well, to me, it's neither sleepy nor creepy.
Speaker 1: I like it. And with this new playlist in hand,
Speaker 1: I did my walk around the newsroom ritual again. Can
Speaker 1: I just point out that, like, it's kind of funny
Speaker 1: that every single time you decide you're going to get
Speaker 1: ready to focus in a given day, you now have
Speaker 1: to get up and walk around. It's so much walk.
Speaker 1: I guess you're getting your steps in, that's right. So
Speaker 1: I walked around the newsroom again, and then I settled
Speaker 1: into another focus session. Need to close tab? Wasn't my email?
Speaker 1: Was that? Twitter? Minimized chat, setting my timer, and here
Speaker 1: we go. That day, I was working on preparing for
Speaker 1: a big interview I had coming up. I was researching
Speaker 1: the people I was interviewing and then writing a list
Speaker 1: of questions to ask them. It was feeling pretty good,
Speaker 1: and then before I knew it, time was up. I
Speaker 1: did it. I successfully focus for twenty minutes straight, no interruptions. Wait,
Speaker 1: already on your second day? Yeah that's awesome, considering you
Speaker 1: felt like you could never achieve focusing for more than
Speaker 1: one sentence of writing at a time. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: If I dare say, I'm miraculous, I felt I felt great,
Speaker 1: and so I thought maybe the playlist was the problem.
Speaker 1: But then came my next try and I failed. So wait,
Speaker 1: the playlist wasn't the problem. No, I mean I think
Speaker 1: it helped. I think you have to make your environment
Speaker 1: as optimal as you possibly can, Like I can't escape
Speaker 1: from our open office, but at least I don't have
Speaker 1: to torture my ears with techno music. But after control
Speaker 1: for that, I realized that the culprit the reason I
Speaker 1: was still struggling was the type of work I was doing.
Speaker 1: So cal talked about two kinds of work. There's deep
Speaker 1: work and there's shallow work. Shallow work has to happen
Speaker 1: in order for just an organization to function, but deep
Speaker 1: work has to happen if you actually want to advance
Speaker 1: your organization or advance your career. Shallow work is necessary.
Speaker 1: Deep work pays to bills. Shallow work is the stuff
Speaker 1: we have to do to function in the workplace, like
Speaker 1: checking emails, attending meanings, making lists. And deep work is
Speaker 1: the meat of your job, which in my world is
Speaker 1: reporting and writing. And the deeper the work, the harder
Speaker 1: it is to focus on. Yeah, deep and shallow is
Speaker 1: a really apt analogy for that because I look at
Speaker 1: like the shallow work, the stuff that you can take
Speaker 1: off your list, and it's just basically easy, but it
Speaker 1: makes you happy when you actually get around to getting
Speaker 1: it done, like that feels so good, But it's not.
Speaker 1: It's not hard. So if you just set aside the
Speaker 1: time for it and commit to doing it, you can
Speaker 1: do it. But the deep work, it is like staring
Speaker 1: into an abyss, Like you're just like, I have to
Speaker 1: make something out of nothing. I have to write a story,
Speaker 1: or I have to write a script for a podcast.
Speaker 1: I just got shells. It's it's so hard to just
Speaker 1: stare into the abyss and it's just the ugly depths.
Speaker 1: But I also think that there's the spectrum of work
Speaker 1: in between, stuff that contributes to deep work, but isn't
Speaker 1: actually that deep. It's like deep adjacent. So for me,
Speaker 1: that's researching and writing up questions for an interview, right,
Speaker 1: you actually have to think about that, right, it's not
Speaker 1: like writing an email. But it's not like writing a
Speaker 1: story either, And that's why I think I got through
Speaker 1: that focus session because it was this medium work adjacent
Speaker 1: that's right, So it's not as hard as writing a story.
Speaker 1: So I zoomed right through it. But so the deep work.
Speaker 1: Does CAL have any suggestions for how to get through
Speaker 1: the deep work? Yes, but it's not a satisfying answer.
Speaker 1: It's not just change your playlist, he said. I had
Speaker 1: to keep practicing. So I just kept trying and failing
Speaker 1: and trying and failing again. But then eventually, on day four,
Speaker 1: sorry if you did it, I got through twenty minutes
Speaker 1: and it wasn't a fluke. I'd broken through some wall
Speaker 1: and kept succeeding, and by day five I was comfortably
Speaker 1: getting through twenty minutes. So I decided to go for
Speaker 1: the holy grail thirty minutes. I've been training for this
Speaker 1: moment all week. I get up from my desk to
Speaker 1: walk around the room to get in the optimal mindset.
Speaker 1: After a brisk clock I'm feeling good. I sit down,
Speaker 1: put in my earbuds and switch on chillow by study beats.
Speaker 1: My brain feels primed. I set my timer and then
Speaker 1: I get to work on a story. I'm in the zone,
Speaker 1: writing complete sentences about taking a break. I think about
Speaker 1: checking Twitter, but I tell myself, no, stay strong, and
Speaker 1: before I know it, okay, I didn't the thirty minutes.
Speaker 1: It was torture and they did it. There you're okay,
Speaker 1: and I can procrastinate throw Wow, wow, thirty minutes the
Speaker 1: holy grill, you hit your gold, I know. And it
Speaker 1: really felt amazing. And I feel so freaking good, like
Speaker 1: it's just doing thirty minutes of writing where you just
Speaker 1: get through it, you focus. I feel like a queen.
Speaker 1: I know. I know this sounds like I'm over exaggerating,
Speaker 1: but it really felt good. I mean, usually it's so
Speaker 1: hard for me to get stuff done, like three pm
Speaker 1: on any day, and wow, this is crazy. I feel
Speaker 1: so good, Like my brain felt different, I swear, and
Speaker 1: from then on I was untouchable. I did thirty minute
Speaker 1: blocks of focus work for the rest of the week,
Speaker 1: no problem. I was getting so good at thirty minutes
Speaker 1: that on my last day, day seven, I decided to
Speaker 1: try for forty minutes. WHOA, we didn't. Honestly, it was hard, um,
Speaker 1: but I kind of what done. Finished one task, started another. Honestly,
Speaker 1: feel like I could do more time. Oh from zero
Speaker 1: a zero congratulations, Becca, thank you you really triumphed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it felt amazing, as not to restate the point, but
Speaker 1: it felt amazing. It feels amazing. I had been worried
Speaker 1: that it would be harder for me to get through
Speaker 1: the time when I had hard work like writing to do,
Speaker 1: But it wasn't. I not only wrote my story, but
Speaker 1: I liked it. It got addictive. I wanted more and more.
Speaker 1: Cal are focus afficionado predicted that that would happen if
Speaker 1: you do this pretty aggressively for a week. By the
Speaker 1: end of the week, you'll feel you know, this is
Speaker 1: not only a little bit easier, but my work feels
Speaker 1: a little bit different. I feel like I'm achieving a
Speaker 1: new level of concentration on producing sharper words or more
Speaker 1: words per minute or whatever the metric is, but that
Speaker 1: I'm better at concentrating than I was. The other feeling
Speaker 1: you should be looking for is also the sort of
Speaker 1: an emergent attraction to concentration is something that you start
Speaker 1: to crave more. So many parallels with exercise, right like you,
Speaker 1: It takes discipline, you have to work out your muscles,
Speaker 1: and then when you do it, you feel really good,
Speaker 1: and then you get kind of predicted to it. I'm curious,
Speaker 1: do you think your work were sharper like did the
Speaker 1: writing you did during those concentrated times actually turn out better.
Speaker 1: So it's very hard to measure this, but it was
Speaker 1: during a time of intense productivity for me. It was
Speaker 1: like a crazy couple of weeks I had there. Also,
Speaker 1: the story I wrote one of those times was a
Speaker 1: story that this does not happen often. But my editor
Speaker 1: was like, oh, this is really good, and so I
Speaker 1: don't know, you know, you can't really measure it, but yes,
Speaker 1: I guess. Well, it definitely sounds like you succeeded at
Speaker 1: your experiment, right, you sailed past that thirty minute goal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did. I did it. After my week long experiment.
Speaker 1: I was an enthusiastic focus supporter. I am so into
Speaker 1: this and I hope I can keep doing it. It
Speaker 1: feels so good to just sit down and do work.
Speaker 1: And I also was really scared that when I got
Speaker 1: to writing stories, because writing it's so hard and torturous,
Speaker 1: and you want to just like write a sentence, look
Speaker 1: at Twitter, write a sentence, check your email. That that
Speaker 1: would be so hard. But when I was doing the
Speaker 1: concentrating thing, it just wasn't it. Just I think you
Speaker 1: psych yourself out, but you can sit down and write
Speaker 1: a story and yeah, it's not perfect, but you can
Speaker 1: do it, So that was awesome. The downsides I think
Speaker 1: are when you come back, you feel like you can
Speaker 1: just go crazy not focusing. Yeah, I wonder if if
Speaker 1: you don't keep this up, it goes back to being
Speaker 1: just as hard. If the exercise analogy holds, then it would, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I read somewhere about exercise like if you don't do
Speaker 1: it for two days, you're back to your base. So
Speaker 1: maybe it's the same for brain, Like I can't I
Speaker 1: got to go back to twenty minutes and not being
Speaker 1: able to do it. But you're addicted to it at
Speaker 1: this point, so it shouldn't be a problem. Let's just
Speaker 1: keep doing these sessions focusing forever um. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: think there are a couple of caveats, Like I said
Speaker 1: you do, there's like still a lot of procrastination evolved,
Speaker 1: like those does not have anything to be procrastinate, and
Speaker 1: like it took me a long time sometimes to get
Speaker 1: to the focus session. And I think you in a
Speaker 1: way procrastinate more before and after because you are anticipating
Speaker 1: all of your focus. You're like, I gotta get into
Speaker 1: my internet time now like a crazy person. And then
Speaker 1: I also think like not everyone can do this if
Speaker 1: you have a type of job where you can't shut
Speaker 1: the world out for chunks of time at the day.
Speaker 1: But I think a lot of people think their job
Speaker 1: is like that, but it's not. They think that they
Speaker 1: can't shut the world up if they can, like I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people can take twenty minutes and
Speaker 1: not answer emails. Yeah, and presumably if your job really
Speaker 1: is one of those jobs that you can't shut out
Speaker 1: the world, like like you're an air traffic controller, then
Speaker 1: don't do that. By not shutting out the world, you're
Speaker 1: actually doing your job, So you would still feel accomplished
Speaker 1: even if you're just like listening to all the inputs
Speaker 1: and you know, taking in lots of outside feedback, because
Speaker 1: that's still good work. Like you never would need to
Speaker 1: check Twitter. You might need to respond to an but
Speaker 1: you're right, probably not as quickly as you think. So
Speaker 1: I really strongly suggest people try this. UM. And the
Speaker 1: big lesson that I'm taking from this is I thought
Speaker 1: of myself as somebody who thrived in the chaos, like
Speaker 1: I'd optimized working with distractions, and now I know that
Speaker 1: they're I don't have to do that, Like there's a
Speaker 1: better way, and it not only helps me get work done,
Speaker 1: but it really made me feel a lot better. It's like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to say there's a simple trick that
Speaker 1: will turn you into some superhuman worker, but sometimes you
Speaker 1: just have to like try something different and you'll feel
Speaker 1: less stuck. Um. Next time on Works for Me, Francesca
Speaker 1: takes on the dreaded team meeting. Oh, did anyone have
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