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I have to say we're 16 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: taking a look at some of the key moments from 17 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: President Biden's big sit down with Jake Tapper, specifically with 18 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: regards to nuclear war, the thing that we will probably 19 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: be leading our show with for quite a while now. Unfortunately, 20 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: he also made some interesting comments about the possibility for 21 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: a recession. I think for the first time acknowledging that 22 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: there is a risk of a recession. They've really been 23 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: trying to tamp down any talk of that, but I 24 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: think the writing is on the wall. It's kind of 25 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: undeniable at this point. Also a very interesting moment in 26 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: an NBC News sit down with John Fetterman. Of course, 27 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 1: he's the Democratic nominee for Senate in the state of Pennsylvania, 28 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: and he had suffered a stroke, and you know, he 29 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: hasn't really been in front of the cameras all the much. 30 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: This was one of his first big television news sit downs, 31 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,199 Speaker 1: and there was a real freak out over the way 32 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: that this was conducted. We'll show you the controversial moment. 33 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: See what you guys think about I will tell you 34 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: what we think about it. It's interesting, let's just say that. 35 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: And then speaking of interesting Kanye West, new developments there 36 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: and the part you know, this isn't the sort of 37 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: thing we normally would in a way, you know, the 38 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: musings of basically someone who needs to be on medication. 39 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: But there was interesting revelations about what was left out 40 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: of his interview with Tucker Carlson, which I think says 41 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: a lot about the cable news propaganda machines, so we'll 42 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: get into all of that. We also have Connerson Rocanna. 43 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: He's going to be coming in studio to talk about 44 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: ways that he thinks the administration should reset and totally 45 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: change their relationship with Saudi Arabian light of everything that 46 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: has happened there. So we're going to get to that 47 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: as well. But before we jump into any of that, 48 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,399 Speaker 1: couple of announcements. First of all, live show, Live show 49 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: Chicago this weekend. It's happening. 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So obviously the top of mind 89 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: for all of us nuclear war will What are the 90 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: developments with regards to Russia, Ukraine, the United States and 91 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: its posture? President Biden sitting for an interview with CNN's 92 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: Jake Tapper, making some news. Let's take a listen. How 93 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: realistic is it? Do you think that Putin would use 94 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: a tactical nuclear weapon? Well, I don't think he will, 95 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: but I think it's irresponsible for him to talk about it. 96 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: The idea that a world leader of one of the 97 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: largest nuclear powers in the world says he may use 98 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: a tactical nuclear weapon in Ukraine. The whole point I 99 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: was making was it could lead to just a horrible outcome, 100 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: and not because anybody intends to turn it into a 101 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 1: world war ending, but it just once you use a 102 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,799 Speaker 1: nuclear weapon, the mistakes that can be made, the miscalculations. 103 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: Who knows what would happen? What is the red line 104 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: for the United States and NATO? And have you directed 105 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: the Pentagon and other agencies to game out what a 106 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: response would be if he did use a tactical nuclear weapon, 107 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: or if he bombed the Zaparisia nuclear power plant in 108 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: Ukraine or anything along those lines. There's been discussions in that, 109 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: but I'm not going to get into that. It would 110 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 1: be irresponsible to me to talk about what we would 111 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: or wouldn't do. Have you asked the Pentagons? It's a 112 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 1: game it out, though, I mean, just in case the 113 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 1: Pentagon didn't have to be asked. Do you think Putin 114 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: is a rational actor. I think he is a rational 115 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: actor who's miscalculated significantly. I think he thought, you may 116 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 1: recall I pointed out that they were going to invade 117 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: that all those one hundred thousand of war troops there, 118 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: and no one believed that he was going to invade Ukraine. 119 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: You listen to what he says, if you listen to 120 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: the speech he made after when that decision was being made, 121 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: he talked about the whole idea of he was needed 122 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: to be the leader of Russia that united all of 123 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 1: a Russian speaker. I mean, it's just I just think 124 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: it's irrational. So if he's not rational, and I didn't 125 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: say he's not rational, he said the speech as well. 126 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: I think I think the speech is his objectives or not. 127 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: I think he thought, Jake, I think he thought he's 128 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: gonna be welcomed with open arms, that this was this 129 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: has been the home of mother Russian Kiev, and and 130 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: he was going to be welcomed, And I think he 131 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 1: just totally miscalculated. Two noteworthy things out of that. One 132 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: is the obvious that if there's a war game going on, 133 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: is how exactly to respond. Number two, though, to me, 134 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: was Biden's insight into Putin's state of mind, which is 135 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: frankly probably the most important thing. Yeah, because these two 136 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: men are the only ones who get to decide whether 137 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: we're going to go into a nuclear war or not. 138 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 1: And his answer is really revealing and actually shows us 139 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: exactly why this is terrifying, which is, well, he's rational, 140 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: but maybe he's not rational, because invading was pretty irrational, 141 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: and even though you can see how an irrational mind 142 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: got there, it was still a pretty dumb thing to do. 143 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: And if you miscalculated once, who's to say that you 144 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 1: won't miscalculate again. History does not tell us that people 145 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: who have the hubris autocratic power that Putin does often 146 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: are like, you know what, I've learned from a mistake. 147 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: I'm just going to chill back and not escalate this 148 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: time around. Well, I think I actually liked Biden's answer 149 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 1: here because it gives you a peek into a sort 150 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: of behind the scenes, raging debate that's going on here 151 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: in Washington. The media and a lot of Democrats in particular, 152 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: have been portraying Putin as this like stark, mad, raving, 153 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: lunatic type of figure, who you know, if your assumption 154 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: is this is a crazy person who was wildly irrational, 155 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: well it kind of absolves you of doing anything to 156 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: try to bring the situation to a close. So I 157 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: appreciated that Biden clearly when Jake Tapper said, oh, so 158 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: he's irrationally, he really clearly wanted to make it known 159 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: that no, I see this as a rational actor who 160 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: had irrational objectives. And also, I think the key part 161 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: was really miscalculated the situation, And I think there's a 162 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: lot of reasons why that could be. I mean, when 163 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: you are an autocrat who surrounds yourself with a bunch 164 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: of yes men, then they're going to tell you what 165 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: you want to hear about your military's readiness and the 166 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: chances of success and the way you're going to be 167 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: greeted with open arms like a hero by the Ukrainians, 168 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: so that you can keep your position close to the 169 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: king as it would be. And so it sort of 170 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: makes makes more sense to imagine that he was really 171 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: dramatically misled, dramatically miscalculated, and now is backed into this 172 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: corner where you know, when anyone is backed into a 173 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: corner where they feel their life, their power, they're like, 174 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: all the things they care about are a risk. Yeah, 175 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: then people start behaving in these erratic ways. That's why 176 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: there's this concept in foreign policy of gambling for resurrection. 177 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: That's not because he's a crazy person. It's because he 178 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: sees himself to be really backed into a corner right now, 179 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: and that's the sort of situation from the beginning we've 180 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: been saying you've got to try to avoid. So I 181 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: appreciated that he's made it very clear he's his view 182 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: in that debate over whether Putin is crazy or not 183 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: is no, this is a rational actor. Well, then that 184 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: puts the onus on you in part to try to, 185 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: you know, predict what this rational actor might do in 186 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: light of the circumstances and try to avoid World War 187 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: three in a nuclear chasee. Rational irrationality are always, you know, 188 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,199 Speaker 1: just very difficult concepts to grapple with. I actually think 189 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: Dan Carlin has done a fantastic job with us. He 190 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: has an entire series on the bomb where he calls 191 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: it logical insanity. Yeah, the logical insanity of you know, 192 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,839 Speaker 1: war is insane, and so you know, firebombing of Tokyo. 193 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: If I were to describe to you the exact circumstances 194 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 1: about one hundred thousand people were burned in one night, 195 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: you'd be like, that's the most insane thing I ever heard. 196 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: And then if I were to tell you the exact 197 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: logical sequence through which the US Air Force or US 198 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: Army Air Corps arrived at the way that they decided 199 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: to carry that out, You're like, yeah, of course that 200 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: makes sense. So you have to put that in the 201 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: context of the nuclear bomb and also why the gambling 202 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: for resurrection. Of course it would make sense in the 203 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: concept in the context of all human history and warfare. 204 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 1: You have to update. Then you have to update then 205 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: the consequences of said weapon and crystal. One of the 206 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: reasons I got into this business, one of the reasons 207 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: I'm sitting here with you, is because one of the 208 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 1: things I always hated about the press Corps and the 209 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: mainstream press was they never actually just dug deep into 210 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: the details. And you know, the Pentagon is where I 211 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: started out. And Biden gave a speech yesterday about the 212 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: National Security Strategy and all that, and all the reporters 213 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: did was just quote from his speech in the fact check. 214 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: I decided to just go read the thing, and inside 215 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: of it is a very important, very important line inserted 216 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: yesterday October twelfth, when it was published. Let's put this 217 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: up there on the screen. I'm going to read this 218 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: for you directly in terms of how the Biden administration officially, 219 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: in the canonized National Security Strategy has written, which is 220 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: something that is required for them to deliver. It's congressionately 221 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 1: acquired by law. Every administration has to publish it in 222 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: the first two years. So here's what he says. Quote, 223 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: the United States will not allow Russia or any power 224 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: to achieve its objectives through using or threatening to use 225 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: nuclear weapons. Now, the reason why I think that that 226 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: matters is it's spilling it out in pretty unambiguous terms 227 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: that there will be a response that is very different 228 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: from where we are right now. And if you combine 229 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: it with some past comments both by President Biden there 230 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: and also previously about how there is no such thing 231 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 1: as a tactical nuclear weapon, I think we can all 232 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: just readily acknowledge that we are in a world war 233 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: if this is going to happen. Let's go to the 234 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: next part here as well, and this is a perfect 235 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: illustration of the logical insanity, yes that I was alluding to. 236 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: It's a piece in War on the Rocks by Jeremy 237 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: Shapiro called we are on a path to nuclear war. 238 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: Put the inflammatory headline aside, and exactly what Shapiro talks 239 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: about here. Who, by the way, is a director of 240 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: Research at the European Council on Foreign Relations and a 241 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: non resident fellow at Brookings Institution who also served in 242 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: the State Department from two thousand and nine to twenty thirteen. 243 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: This guy is a member of the quote unquote blob 244 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: like the foreign policy establishment. So for him to say 245 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: something like this, I think carries more weight than just 246 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: the two of us who have always kind of been 247 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: beating this drum. And exactly what he lays out here, 248 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: crystal is a direct and rational way in which the 249 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: world gets into a nuclear exchange in a very very 250 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: quick timeframe. Specifically what he says, and this is where 251 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: the onus is of course, on Russia, which is Russia 252 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: has laid out all kinds of red lines. They said 253 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: that there would be a war of Finland Sweden, We're 254 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 1: going to be a NATO. Okay, that didn't happen. They 255 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: said that there was going to be crazy response if 256 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: we delivered at anti aircraft systems. That didn't happen. They 257 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: keep saying and threatening the nuclear beating the nuclear drum, 258 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: and we keep basically doing it. And so what is 259 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: the lesson A that the nuclear threat from Putin is 260 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: probably a bluff or maybe could be a bluff, and 261 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: that the US can continue to test red lines and 262 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: see what we can get away with. Now, all of 263 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: that's fine as long as the consequences of breaching that 264 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: red line aren't catastrophe and armageddon for the entire planet. 265 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: What he points out is that eventually the anti is 266 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: going to continue to be upped. Ukraine bombing that likely bombing. Okay, 267 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: let's say that right, Ukraine likely bombing that bridge in 268 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: Crimea was supposed to be a red line for nuclear 269 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 1: war and a territorial well, they didn't respond in nuclear 270 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: So Ukraine is going to continue to test Putin's red lines. 271 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: Putin is going to continue to test the West red lines, 272 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: and the West is going to continue to ignore a 273 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: lot of Putin's pronouncements and give the Ukrainians everything they want. 274 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: With that, you have something called path dependency, which are 275 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: two things where that's just going to keep happening. And 276 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: as that goes, the path to nuclear war that Shapiro 277 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: lays out here becomes ever more likely because eventually somebody's 278 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: red line does actually get crossed, and you can logically 279 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: explain how the insane situation with nuclear change wul then happen. 280 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: I really really encourage people to read this whole piece. 281 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: I sent it to a bunch of people yesterday, because 282 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: not only does he explain how the seemingly insane which 283 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: is you know, nuclear armageddon could happen and could begin 284 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: with two you know, basically rational actors. But he lays 285 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: out step by step what that could look like, what 286 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: the Russians would do, how we would respond, how they 287 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: would respond, how we would respond, and how you end 288 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: up in this, you know, potentially world ending exchange, with 289 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: each step seemingly intelligent and rational along the way. And 290 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: that's what's so terrifying about this. And that's also why 291 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: you know, I appreciate Biden seems to recognize that that's 292 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 1: the case when he made those comments that we talked 293 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: about before, which got a lot of attention in a 294 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: like fundraiser, where he positive that we could end up 295 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: in nuclear armageddon, which you know, for a president to 296 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: say that is quite stark. He indicated to Jake Tapper 297 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: here that that was really messaging towards Putin to help 298 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: him understand because in Russia there seems to be more 299 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 1: thought towards all we could use these tactical nuclear weapons 300 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: and it might be okay, it might be okay, they 301 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: probably won't respond that fiercely. We could probably get away 302 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: with it without having this escalatory cycle. And so Biden 303 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: is really trying to clearly send a message to Putin 304 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: like that's not the way that this thing ultimately works. 305 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: So you need to think again if you're considering, you know, 306 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: following the line of the Hawks and using these tactical 307 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: nuclear weapons in this conflict. I don't read a part 308 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: portion of this piece by what was his name, Jeremy 309 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: sap Here. I want to read a proportion of this 310 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: because it speaks exactly to what we're saying here. He says. Listen, 311 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: no rational or even sane leader plans to start a 312 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: nuclear war, and for all of the Russian regime's risk taking, 313 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: it does not show signs of suicidal tendencies. The essence 314 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: of the problem is more insidious than mere insanity. Once 315 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: an escalatory cycle begins, a series of individually rational steps 316 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: can add up to a world ending absurdity. In Ukraine, 317 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: both sides have publicly pledged that they cannot lose this war. 318 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: They hold that doing so would threaten their very way 319 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: of life and the values they hold most dear. In 320 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: the Russian case, particularly, a loss in Ukraine would seem 321 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: to threaten regime survival and even the territorial integrity of 322 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: the country. He goes on to note that what we 323 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: know so far from this conflict is ever increasing escalation. 324 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: So anytime one side feels like the other side has 325 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: a bit of an edge, they escalate, and then guess 326 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: what the other side feels like, You know, they're at 327 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: risk now of losing, they escalate. That has been the 328 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: history of this war to date. That's why he says, 329 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: you know, with the very provocative headline, we are on 330 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: a path to nuclear war, because if you continue step 331 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: by step by steps by step in that direction, that's 332 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: exactly where you end up. As insane as that ultimately seems, yeah, 333 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: I think that, Hey, you know, the piece is important. 334 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: It does describe the exact steps, and you know, ultimately, 335 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: I just think that the general and I've said this before, 336 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: the reason why that most people aren't aware of this 337 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: is because they're not considering the day to day realities 338 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: on the ground. They're not listening to Putin's speech in 339 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: Russian and the translation where he updates his nuclear doctrine. 340 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: They're not listening to Joe Biden when he says behind 341 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: closed doors that were on the path to nuclear armageddon. Frankly, 342 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: how many people are even watching this CNN segment or 343 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: even our coverage of this. The vast majority of people 344 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: are like, yeah, Ukraine is good. Russia is bad. We 345 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: should help them. They have no idea what the consequences 346 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: and the chain of escalation will look like. And my 347 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: fear is they're not going to find out until it's 348 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: way too late. Now that and then what say, do 349 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: we have nothing? I mean, there's no one of the 350 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: crazy things about nuclear war, there's no democratic check. Congress 351 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: doesn't have to say anything. Joe Biden has sold decision 352 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: making authority, and so does Vladimir Putin. You would think 353 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: in a representational democracy like us, actually it would require 354 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: people in the chain of command committing treason and saying, no, 355 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 1: I'm not going to do it. So do you bet 356 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: on that? Because I don't, you know, they all share 357 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: the same assumptions in this war, so I could see 358 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: it all happening very quickly. I mean I don't. I've 359 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: seen estimates out there, you know, even people like Shapiro 360 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 1: and others are saying that the risk right now of 361 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: a nuclear change is twenty to twenty five percent. I 362 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 1: don't know if it's worth, you know, putting percentages in 363 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: all of that. I would just say, you know, the 364 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: five seconds to midnight seems like reality to me, and 365 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: that's a terrifying situation. Yeah, yeah, I mean it falls 366 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: to President Brandon to keep the zone of nuclear war. Yeah, 367 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,439 Speaker 1: And the really sad thing is like we could do 368 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 1: a lot worse. You know, I feel a lot better 369 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 1: with him there than I would with you know, Hillary 370 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: Clinton or W. Bush, Kamla Harris or George W. Bush 371 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: or you know, even Trump, who's like all who was 372 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: extremely hawkish towards Russia actually when he was in office 373 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: in spite of what the media would tell you about 374 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 1: all of that thing. I mean, fre aagain, Mike Pompeo's 375 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: in his administration, John Bolton was in his administration. Pompeo 376 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: is that we're going to get to this in just 377 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 1: a minute. Like you know, it's saying very escalatory, hawkish thing. 378 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: So you know, it's an I cannot possibly say enough. 379 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: What a precarious situation. This is what a frightening situation is, 380 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 1: What a predictable situation it is that you know, if 381 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: you escalate and escalate and escalate and escalate with a 382 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: nuclear power, you're going to end up in this exact 383 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: scenario where it's you know, if twenty five percent odds 384 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: you're gonna have a nuclear exchange and that, in my opinion, 385 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 1: might be on the low side at this point. So 386 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 1: it truly, truly is a terrifying state of affairs. What 387 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: you were saying about the American public, You know, I 388 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: think partly it's underestimated, I mean, number one, because the 389 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 1: media does this horrific job of explaining these risks and 390 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: really laying out the risk and the consequences. I mean Tapper, 391 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: you know, we played this ode of him before being like, ah, 392 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 1: that's crazy talk. What do he to Senator Chris Murphy 393 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 1: Like why would you say this? This is ridiculous? Ultimately, 394 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 1: but the other pieces, you know, it just it does 395 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,959 Speaker 1: seem like an insane outcome. And it's been so long 396 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: since we've really stared in the face of this kind 397 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 1: of nuclear threat that I think it's hard for people 398 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: to really comprehend that this is the place that we've 399 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: ended up in the year twenty twenty two. But all 400 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: that being said, you know, I would take the judgment 401 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 1: of the American people over the you know, elite elected 402 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 1: officials here in Washington, because they are much much, much 403 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:26,719 Speaker 1: more in favor of conditioning our continued support for Ukraine 404 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: on some sort of a diplomatic process. So even as 405 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: they've been like misled and propagandized by the media, they 406 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: still have the good sense to see the basic dynamic 407 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: of like, this is not a good thing to just 408 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: allow this war to continue. It should not be our 409 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: government's policy that we want this war to continue. We 410 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: need to find a way to bring this thing to 411 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: a close for everyone's the good of absolutely everyone around 412 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: a goal globed. Listen, if we had an ability to 413 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: have democratic check I will always put my faith. Oh yeah, 414 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 1: what I'm saying is I don't think that we have 415 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: such a check on Portunately. Let's go to the next 416 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: part here, and let's put this on the screen, just 417 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,199 Speaker 1: to underscore how exactly this is baked in now to 418 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 1: basically the establishment in the foreign policy elite. This was 419 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: an op ed which was written by Leon Panetta, former 420 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,959 Speaker 1: CIA director under Barack Obama and the former Defense secretary 421 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: former White House Chief of Staff Bill Clinton, very very 422 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: tapped in figure in his own right, and probably, I 423 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 1: think it's fair to say, probably still keeps in touch 424 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: with some of his colleagues in the Biden administration, many 425 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: of whom he was once the boss of. So why 426 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: does any of this matter. Well, he's writing this op 427 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: ed to say clearly, quote, if Putin uses nukes in Ukraine, 428 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: the US must respond with military force. And actually, why 429 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: I took away so important from this is not only 430 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 1: crystal the acknowledgment that the US should respond, which is 431 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: that the new canard from the foreign policy elite is 432 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: that if a tactical nuclear weapon of any kind is used, 433 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: is that the US won't just respond in a nuclear 434 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 1: fashion because as we would under NATO, since we have 435 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: no obligation to defend Ukraine, but we would instead use 436 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: conventional military weapons to attack the Russian military. And then 437 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,360 Speaker 1: they're like, well, then it's Russia's choice if they want 438 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: to go to nuclear war or not. I guess you 439 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: could see how rhetorically that means that you're not effectively 440 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 1: signing the fate of tens of millions of Americans away. 441 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 1: But the crazy thing in this piece is his acknowledges 442 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: that it would be an escalation which would likely lead 443 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: to a nuclear exchange, and still says, yeah, we should 444 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: just do That's all we should do. So I just 445 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: want people to know, like, this is the former Defense Secretary, 446 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: Barack Obama, the guy who you know in the movie 447 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: played by James Gandolfini, who was like, let's go and 448 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: get uh Bin Laden. This is the guy, you know, 449 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: not necessarily known as a neo konhawk even in his 450 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: time in Washington. And this is what he's writing in 451 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: Political magazine as a the way that you should always 452 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 1: interpret these things are twofold A. It's a pressure campaign 453 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: from the outside, try to get the people on the 454 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: inside in order to take your argument seriously. But sometimes 455 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: it's the other way, which is that they used former 456 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: officials to actually as a laundromat for their internal thinking 457 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 1: as to what the debates are playing out. So I'm 458 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 1: watching all of this very very carefully, and there are 459 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: two noteworthy things that have happened on this front. First 460 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: and foremost was the day after the nuclear threat issued, 461 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,239 Speaker 1: David Petraeus, former four star you know really you know 462 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: the liberal intelligentsia kind of personified, goes on ABC News 463 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: and said, absolutely, if that happens, we are taking out 464 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: a conventional military response on the Russian Black Sea feet 465 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 1: of course, the Black c Fleet. Of course, there is 466 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: no follow up question, well, miss General, would that lead 467 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: to a nuclear traces? Then nobody asks that crazy Second, 468 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: is this piece. So now you have a former four star, 469 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: one of the most probably the most recognized general in 470 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 1: modern US history, saying this. Second, we now have a 471 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: former Secretary of Defense, So I think that we should 472 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: take these very seriously. On the other hand, we already 473 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: showed you that clip the other day, which took tremendous 474 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: courage by Admiral Mullen, who was like, no, we need 475 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 1: to have diplomacy. We needed now putin and Washington needs 476 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 1: to sit down at the table. I'm concerned about the rhetorics. 477 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: So these are all, like I said, these people don't 478 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 1: just come out of the woodwork. It's a game that 479 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: is playing out in Washington in order to massage the 480 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: Pentagon and shape shape the elite opinion. And right now 481 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: I think unambiguously the Hawks are winning, which is why 482 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: I want people to know, like, if it happens, I 483 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: am ninety nine percent sure that we will be in 484 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: a full blown world war with Russia, which will result 485 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 1: in a nuclear exchange. I don't have any doubt about 486 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: that at all. And that's why, you know, having a 487 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: real debate and understanding of the facts is incredibly important. 488 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: I also want to underscore this is totally bipartisan. So 489 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: let's put this up there on the screen from Mike 490 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: Pompeo quote, you know how we can convince Vladimir Putin 491 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: to withdraw from Ukine give the Ukrainians the weapons that 492 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: they need to win. Why does that matter? Well, that's 493 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,479 Speaker 1: the former Secretary of State under Donald Trump, Crystal. So 494 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: we just showed two prominent US officials. Also, by the way, 495 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: he was a former CIA director. So I'm sensing a 496 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 1: little bit of a feme here about what's exactly getting 497 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: laundered in public opinion. They're two side by side bipartisan 498 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: responses making it clear we will not back not even 499 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: back down, because that's don't even use their language. We 500 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: will not go to the table and try to forego 501 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: this or try to try to forestall this possible eventuality 502 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 1: and move in a diplomatic direction, so without any pressure 503 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 1: on that, by the way, which is even with pressure 504 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: which probably still fail. That's the crazy thing, which is 505 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 1: that we are not even attempting at something that could 506 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: give us the off ram. It's like we don't even 507 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 1: want to see if it's a possibility, and by forestalling that, 508 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: we're essentially ensuring that the path that we're on continue. 509 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: The longer we wait, the more steps of escalation that 510 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: are taken by the Ukrainians, by us, by the Russians, 511 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: the more difficult it becomes to bring this thing to 512 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: any sort of a close cease fire, you know, temporary 513 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: piece steel, whatever it is. The further we go down 514 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 1: this path, the more unlikely it is that we can 515 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: form any sort of negotiation between the two sides. And 516 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: to go back to what Panetta is saying here of 517 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,919 Speaker 1: you know, we should strike Russian forces in Ukraine and 518 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 1: basically make sure that Russia is going to lose this 519 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: war in Ukraine and in the most maximalist way, pushing 520 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 1: them out of the East, pushing them out of Crimea, 521 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: where you know, before this war, it was widely acknowledged 522 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: that Crimea basically wanted to be part of Russia. And 523 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: this is a very like this part, that part is 524 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: incredibly important to Russia. So he's saying, we're going to 525 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: strike Russian troops in a way that will basically make 526 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,199 Speaker 1: it impossible for them to win this war. How do 527 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: you think that Putin is going to perceive that? I mean, 528 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: if that is not an existential threat to him, and 529 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: his power and his regime. I don't know what is so, yeah, 530 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,479 Speaker 1: what do you think the likely response to that is? 531 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: And going back to that piece that we put up 532 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: earlier from Jeremy Shapiro War on the Rocks, this is 533 00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 1: actually exactly the escalatory chain that he lays out. That 534 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: is step two, you know, step one, as Putin uses 535 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 1: tactical nuclear weapons in some way on the battlefield or 536 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 1: even as a demonstration. Step two is literally this exact strategy, 537 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: this exact thing that Leon Panetta is suggesting that we do. 538 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: And he says that the next thing that is likely 539 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 1: to happen is that they will see a direct NATO 540 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,239 Speaker 1: attack on Russia or Russian forces as confirmation of their 541 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: view that the West intends to destroy the Russian regime 542 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: and kill all of its leaders. They say, for Russian leaders, 543 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 1: this is an ever present reality. Putin reportedly obsessively watches 544 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: the video of Libyan leader Momar Kadafi's death after he 545 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 1: was overthrown by NATO forces. Facing the prospect of death 546 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: if they death, if they do not act to save 547 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 1: their regime, Russian leaders will risk launching further conventional and 548 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 1: tactical nuclear strikes on NATO troop formations in Ukrainian supply 549 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: operations in bordering NATO states like Poland and Estonia to 550 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: signal that Russia is willing and able to defend itself 551 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 1: despite the risk of strategic nuclear escalation. So and then 552 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: you're off to the races. That is the way that 553 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: this chain could unfold precisely like and again, none of 554 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: that is each step doesn't seem totally insane, you know, 555 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: but the place where you end up is literal global suicide. 556 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: So these things that are being suggested by the supposedly 557 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 1: you know, sober minds, the serious you know, the serious 558 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: credentialed folks in DC are total insanity if you care about, 559 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: you know, the future of the globe. So the fact 560 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 1: that you have, you know, once again is hawkish bipartisan consensus. 561 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: And for all of you know, some of the rhetorical 562 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: things Biden has said that I've appreciated, you know, saying 563 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: we don't want to get into World War three, sounding 564 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: the alarm about nuclear armageddon, some of the comments that 565 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 1: he made to Taper about hey, I think Putin's a 566 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: rational actor. The fact remains that the policy has been 567 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: one of escalation, escalation, escalation and a total unwillingness to 568 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: push Ukraine to sit down at the negotiating table. Yeah, 569 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 1: and unfortunately the Ukrainians themselves, and look, this is an 570 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: existential battle for them. They're actually preparing. Let's go and 571 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: put this on the screens. Quote, some Ukrainians are bracing 572 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: for the possibility of a Russian nuclear strike. Fears across 573 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: the capital and more of severe retaliation grew after the 574 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: attack on the bridge to Crimea. Now, they say, but 575 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 1: US officials have said they think the chances of Moscow's 576 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: nuclear weapons use are slim. But they do quote officials 577 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: inside of the Ukrainian government on background and more saying, look, 578 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: there's not much we can do, but we are preparing 579 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 1: for the reality. And despite Zelenski's initial pledge that oh 580 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: Putin is bluffing, they have since retracted that, both Zelenski 581 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: himself and his military advisors saying no, it actually very 582 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: much could happen. Now. Also, this is another thing, as 583 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: I said, I actually went and read the National Security 584 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: strategy and found a very troubling line. Put this up 585 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: there here is it straight from the mouth of the 586 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: US military. They say, Quote, Russia's conventional military will have 587 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: been wend which will likely increase Moscow's reliance on nuclear 588 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: weapons in its military planning, effectively saying that the current 589 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,719 Speaker 1: situation on the battlefield for Moscow means that they are 590 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: going to come more reliant on nuclear weapons, both strategic 591 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: and tactical, in order to achieve their overall war aims, 592 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: meaning that the likelihood of the strike is actually higher 593 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: whenever you read this document. So that was another one 594 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: that slipped out to me. And then finally let's put 595 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: this up there, which is from the Washington Post. Again, 596 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: we're reading these former officials, private US officials. Here's what 597 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: they said. Quote Privately, US officials say that neither Russia 598 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: nor Ukraine is capable of winning a war outright. They 599 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: say they do not know what the end of the 600 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: war looks like or how it might end or when 601 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: insisting that is up to Kiev. Interesting on crystal and 602 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: actually there's more of that quote. Yeah, So the full 603 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: quote is that they say neither Russian and or Ukraine 604 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: is capable of winning the war outright, and they have 605 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: ruled out the idea of pushing or even nudging Ukraine 606 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: to the negotiating table. So the official policy of the 607 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: US government is just continue on this path, and as 608 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: I think we've laid out in excruciating detail this morning, 609 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: that path leads to total and complete disaster. So as 610 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: much as we hear some you know, at least like 611 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: aware of the dangers of the situation notes from President Biden, 612 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: which is better than you can say for like ninety 613 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 1: nine percent of the media, the path that they are 614 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: on continues to be terrifying and one of escalation and 615 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: one of not even being willing to nudge the Ukrainians 616 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: towards the negotiating table. You have some other quotes in 617 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: that piece that are also really interesting troubling. They say 618 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: all this adds up to war that looks increasingly open ended, 619 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: as even those in Zelensky's inner circle most open to 620 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: exploring negotiations with Russia said Putin's annexations marked a fatal 621 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: low quote. Putin injected the virus of infinite war with 622 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: his annexation move, said a top negotiator for Zelensky and 623 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: the majority leader of Ukraine's parliament in an interview. Ukraine 624 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,239 Speaker 1: will never accept this. That goes the idea of what 625 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: we've been saying that the further you go along this path, 626 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: and the further steps of escalation, the more difficult it 627 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: becomes to achieve any sort of ceasefire and end to 628 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: this war. You know, the piece about Ukrainians preparing for 629 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,479 Speaker 1: a potential nuclear attack. There are parts of that that 630 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: really got to me because you have to remember, I mean, 631 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: some of the people that they interviewed literally fled from 632 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: the nuclear fallout from Chernobyl. Like, this is a country 633 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: that knows far too well what you know, the consequences 634 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: of radiation and nuclear fallout could be. So this is 635 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: like very visceral for significant parts of this population. And 636 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: then they were talking about how some elementary schools have 637 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: advised parents to put together an emergency pack for their 638 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: little kiddos to have with them at school. One person 639 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: who works in a market selling home goods said a 640 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: mom came to her with a list from the school 641 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: that included Latex gloves, poncho boot covers, tissues, wet wipes, 642 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: and a flashlight. As if that's going to do jackshit 643 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 1: for you in a nuclear war. I mean, but that's 644 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: where they are, I mean, trying to hold on to 645 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: any idea that you know that they could ultimately get 646 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: through this, and that really brought it home for me. 647 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: What an absolutely terrifying situation and how incredibly real this is. 648 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: Right now, I think you're right, christ So I take 649 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: solace in the fact that I live close enough to 650 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: the Pentagon that I will be vaporized in the event 651 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: of a nuclear strike. Okay, let's go ahead and move 652 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: on to Ukraine. Let's go ahead and put this up 653 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: there on the screen. This is developments on the Crimean 654 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: nuke on the Crimean bridge blast. Why does that matter? Well, 655 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: the circumstances of this one, if they play out and 656 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: can officially be blamed on Ukraine and the intelligence services, 657 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: which is currently the leading theory, could of course lead 658 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: to escalation, and we are paying attention to the circumstances 659 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,719 Speaker 1: very closely. So. The Russians are claiming. The FSB says 660 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: that five Russians and three Ukrainian and Armenian citizens have 661 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: been arrested. They claim the explosive device that blew up 662 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: the bridge was concealed in twenty two pallets of plastic 663 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: film role weighing a total of twenty two thy seven 664 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: hundred kilos. The FSB, and again this is from the FSB. 665 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is true, says that the explosives 666 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: were sent in early August by ship from the port 667 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: of Odessa in Ukraine to the port of Rous in Bulgaria. 668 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: They then passed through the port of Poti in Georgia 669 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: and were then shipped Armenia before arriving by road in Russia. 670 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 1: So why did the circumstances of that matter. Well, you 671 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 1: may recall that we brokeered that deal in the Black 672 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: Sea in order to let the port of Odessa open 673 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: so that Ukraine could ship out grain from there to 674 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: avert a global food crisis. The circumstances of this, of 675 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: which people are not paying close attention to, is if 676 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: Ukraine did use the basically the opening of that port 677 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: to facilitate the transfer of explosives on their eventual way 678 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,280 Speaker 1: to Russia. Yeah, then drive it from the Russian side 679 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 1: to Crimea and then blow up the truck. Then that 680 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 1: imperils the grain deal, which imperils the entire global food 681 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: supply because Ukraine used to export I think like one 682 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: third or something of the developing world's grand it's known 683 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: it is the bread basket of Europe and a bread 684 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,439 Speaker 1: basket of the former Soviet Union. Now it's also it's 685 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 1: worth reading the full explanation. Let's go put this on 686 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,320 Speaker 1: the screen again. This is from the FSB. This is 687 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 1: a direct translation. Please, so they say the explosive devices. 688 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,840 Speaker 1: I said cargo was transplanted to Rusa. When the shipment arrived, 689 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: it was cleared by rules and the documents were switched out. Afterwards, 690 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: the shipper was assigned to an Armenian LLC. The explosives 691 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 1: were transferred to Georgia October seventh. The device was loaded 692 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: into an individual's car. He drove them to a certain 693 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 1: place where they were blown up on the Crimean bridge. 694 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: They say, quote the entire operation was controlled by an 695 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: officer of the Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs, who introduced 696 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,280 Speaker 1: himself as Ivan Ivanovich, which I don't know. That seems 697 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 1: like a little bit too obvious. Anyway, He used the 698 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: SIM card he had bought on the internet, registered to 699 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: Serhei arid and Chenko, a resident of Ukraine, in order 700 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 1: to coordinate this. Again, I have no idea if this 701 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 1: is any of this is true, could be complete and 702 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 1: total BS. But that is the official narrative from the 703 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: FSB in a way, whether it's true or not. How 704 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,799 Speaker 1: they respond to it is what matters the most. That's true. 705 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 1: What they think is true matters a lot. Well, what 706 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,439 Speaker 1: they say is true is what matters. The Ukrainians say 707 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,280 Speaker 1: this is a fiction, that none of this has happened. 708 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,360 Speaker 1: It's very strange the way the Ukrainians are handling this. 709 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,279 Speaker 1: On the one hand, they taking selfies with pictures of 710 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 1: the bridge and celebrating the attack. On the other they're like, ah, 711 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 1: we didn't have anything to do with it, but maybe 712 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: we did, wink wink, yeah. And so I mean, I 713 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: think it's probably pretty obvious to deduce that it happened. 714 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 1: I continue to think, Crystal that that story which came 715 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: out from the New York Times, which said that the 716 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,400 Speaker 1: Ukrainians were behind the assassination of Daria Dugina in Moscow, 717 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 1: was a basically a plea to the military services, like, 718 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: please don't blow up this bridge. Don't do it, Please 719 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: don't do it, because we know that you're planning something, 720 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,720 Speaker 1: and you know, why else would they leak it months later? 721 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: I really believe. And of course, also it's not like 722 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 1: you've seen the same celebration from US officials around this bridge. No, 723 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,399 Speaker 1: And also one of the red lines from the Biden 724 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,359 Speaker 1: administration is we're not giving Ukraine weapons that they can 725 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: use to strike Crimea, And so the Russians have come 726 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: out and said, you know, nuclear weapons would not be 727 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: inappropriate responses. We didn't know that in advance, not at all. 728 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: I mean, this was a dramatic provocation. And I think 729 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,359 Speaker 1: you know, first of all, it is worth noting that, 730 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 1: you know, the FSB explanation of what happened with that 731 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,319 Speaker 1: car bomb, right, which we really pretty much dismissed at 732 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:46,799 Speaker 1: the time, and we're like, ah, this is what they 733 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 1: It turned out to be true. So I do keep 734 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: that in mind when they're laying out very specifically, you know, 735 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 1: their official narrative of who was responsible and how this 736 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 1: all happened. But you know, the other reason why the Ukrainians, 737 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: while they want to sort of celebrate it, may not 738 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 1: want to take direct credit is if this is the 739 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,360 Speaker 1: chain of events that actually occurred, which is one of 740 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 1: the leading theories, you know, in terms of like it 741 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 1: was a truck bomb driven across this bridge, detonated specifically 742 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: at the time to coincide with when the train is 743 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 1: going across on the other side. That's a suicide attack. Yeah, 744 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,320 Speaker 1: I mean, so that's it's sort of astonishing to me 745 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,719 Speaker 1: that no one has noted that if this is in 746 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 1: fact the method that they use. You're talking about the 747 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 1: Ukrainian intelligence services using suicide bombers. Well, I don't know 748 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 1: if that's been confirmed, right, No, it's not confirmed, but 749 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 1: I'm saying if this is, if this is what happened, 750 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: and this is also again one of the leading explanations 751 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: that's been offered in mainstream and the mainstream press. You're 752 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,320 Speaker 1: talking about a suicide attack, so that may be another 753 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,400 Speaker 1: reason why they don't really acknowledge that they won't that 754 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 1: they're potentially using these sorts of tactics. That would be crazy, right, Yeah, 755 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 1: I mean, and it's crazy to me that no one 756 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,840 Speaker 1: has even mentioned that. Yeah, I mean, if it's true, 757 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I've said to you, I mean not on 758 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: Islamic use of suicide bombing is just incredibly rare, like 759 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,240 Speaker 1: the Tumbel Tigers I think are one of the only 760 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 1: groups that have ever done it. I'm trying, you know, 761 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,760 Speaker 1: I'm racking. I took a course on this actually in college, 762 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 1: the Evolution of suicide bomb and as far as I know, 763 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,799 Speaker 1: this would this would definitely enter the textbooks as I 764 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 1: mean as one of those yeah, I mean as use 765 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 1: of attacking that show you just how extraordinary it is 766 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,720 Speaker 1: if it were employees, worfair. And that's why the Russians 767 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,839 Speaker 1: are calling it a terrorist attack, which which makes sense. 768 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we shouldn't forget this. Russi actually 769 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,320 Speaker 1: has his own suicide bombing problems with a lot of 770 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,400 Speaker 1: the Dagistani population and more that people in Moscow have 771 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,439 Speaker 1: suffered before, the people in the provinces and more have used. 772 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 1: So listen, I'm not I just want to be clear. 773 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 1: This isn't confirmed. I'm not saying that is what happened, 774 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 1: but it is one of the leading theories that's been 775 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 1: laid out in the press without them ever going that 776 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 1: next step and saying like and that would mean it 777 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 1: was a suicide attack. You have the Ukrainians who don't 778 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 1: who want to celebrate but don't really want to take credit, 779 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 1: and then the FSB laying out what their official narrative 780 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: is of what happened. And you know, I think your 781 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,719 Speaker 1: point is the most important one, saga, which is that 782 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,840 Speaker 1: in some ways it matters less what actually happened versus 783 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,919 Speaker 1: what the Russian government is selling to their people. As 784 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 1: the narrative of what happened to you. So, look, will 785 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,360 Speaker 1: it be a justification for more than the strikes to 786 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,279 Speaker 1: be seen on Kiv or not. We're going to see 787 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,479 Speaker 1: in the coming days, and we'll keep everybody a prize. 788 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,840 Speaker 1: Let's go to the next part here, which is also frankly, 789 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,239 Speaker 1: probably even more important. Let's go and put this up there, 790 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,759 Speaker 1: which is that Putin says all infrastructure is now at 791 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 1: risk after the nord Stream hit, which of course he 792 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 1: didn't do though, So he says he condemns the gas 793 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,400 Speaker 1: fipline blasts as an act of terror and says that 794 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,719 Speaker 1: Moscow's adversaries are benefiting from the attack. Now why does 795 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,799 Speaker 1: this matter? Well, look, I mean, we will never know 796 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,879 Speaker 1: who blew up the nord Stream pipeline or not. There's 797 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 1: a good enough case to basically say that everybody did it. 798 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,840 Speaker 1: Either the Ukrainians did it, the Russians did it, the 799 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 1: US did it, NATO did it, UK possibility UK. Whoever 800 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 1: did it, somebody's benefiting. Putin says that the adversaries are benefiting. 801 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 1: You could make that case. You could also make the 802 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,839 Speaker 1: case that the Russians already shut it off. So why 803 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 1: does it matter anyway, here's what they said. The attacks 804 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 1: are an active terror. That's set quote, the most dangerous precedent. 805 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 1: According to Putin yesterday at a Moscow Energy form, he says, 806 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:15,440 Speaker 1: it shows any critically important object of transport, energy, utility 807 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 1: infrastructure is under threat, irrespective of where it is located 808 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,320 Speaker 1: or by whom it is managed. He of course blamed 809 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,719 Speaker 1: the US, Ukraine and Poland, saying that they were the 810 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 1: beneficiaries of the blast. And look, it's a very ominous 811 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 1: comment because if you, okay, let's accept the reality, the 812 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,879 Speaker 1: possible reality that it was Russia. Well, in that world, 813 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,719 Speaker 1: that was a major signal to Europe, like, hey, this 814 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 1: pipeline in the Baltic Sea with Norway, I can cut 815 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,839 Speaker 1: that off tomorrow You're dead. You're going to freeze to death. 816 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:48,759 Speaker 1: If I cut that off, I can cut off all 817 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 1: my gas, and I can make life very miserable for you, 818 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,839 Speaker 1: very very quickly in the event of a real war. 819 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 1: And now we've established the president who knows who did 820 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,240 Speaker 1: it or not, that the nord pipeline has been targeted. 821 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 1: So this is not an empty threat. And that's why 822 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,719 Speaker 1: again everybody is testing each other's red lines up and 823 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 1: near the point, and we have no choice but to 824 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,360 Speaker 1: take it seriously because even if let's say it was 825 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,839 Speaker 1: in Russia who did this, well, now they have their 826 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,799 Speaker 1: infrastructure has been hit, and if they internally believe that 827 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 1: it wasn't them, then they're going to look at other 828 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,760 Speaker 1: energy infrastructure as a legitimate target in protest. Either way, 829 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:30,040 Speaker 1: whoever is responsible Putin's comments, how we have no choice 830 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 1: but to take it seriously, especially given the vulnerability of 831 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,120 Speaker 1: the European public. Now, Germany, as I understand it, has 832 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,400 Speaker 1: gotten about ninety five percent of the natural gas stocks 833 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,560 Speaker 1: that they need, so they're actually probably going to be 834 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:45,439 Speaker 1: fine over the winter. They basically had to mortgage there. Yeah, well, 835 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 1: they effectively had to nuke their entire economic prospect for 836 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 1: the next five years in order to make sure they 837 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,440 Speaker 1: don't freeze this winter. But they have survived. However, the 838 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 1: developing world has not. Pakistan, Bangladesh, many others are going 839 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,040 Speaker 1: to have massive blackouts, are going to be burning coal 840 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,520 Speaker 1: for a decade probably more plus as a result of 841 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,200 Speaker 1: all this. Japan also paying anyway, like we're going to 842 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 1: have a global recession almost as certainly as a result 843 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,840 Speaker 1: of what's happening. My point though, still being that Germany 844 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:14,839 Speaker 1: is a very rich nation. There's a lot of other 845 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,480 Speaker 1: countries in Europe that need this gas in order to 846 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 1: stay on and to keep EU, the EU and NATO united. 847 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,600 Speaker 1: It's a very precarious situation because they're not the only 848 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,080 Speaker 1: ones with high energy bills, and they're not what the 849 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,400 Speaker 1: largest economy on the continent. Germany was always going to 850 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,800 Speaker 1: be probably be fine. It really is a smaller nation Slovakia, 851 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 1: Czech Republic, you know, them that are heavily reliant on 852 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,800 Speaker 1: this energy and they're basically all competing for this natural gas. 853 00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:45,480 Speaker 1: You know, Putin has used before precedent very poor actions 854 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,120 Speaker 1: and illegal actions taken by the US government to say, oh, well, 855 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:50,960 Speaker 1: if y'all can do it, then you've set the precedent. 856 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,279 Speaker 1: I'm going to go ahead and do it too. I 857 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:56,040 Speaker 1: mean that was effectively his justification for invading Ukraine here 858 00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:57,680 Speaker 1: in the first place, was like, well, y'all did in 859 00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,680 Speaker 1: I rock, so I don't know why I shouldn't do 860 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,480 Speaker 1: it here. So him using these sorts of actions as 861 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,480 Speaker 1: justification for his own, you know, illegal and terrible actions 862 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,960 Speaker 1: would not be unprecedented. Another thing I wanted to note 863 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,759 Speaker 1: is there was just a UN General Assembly vote, which 864 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,160 Speaker 1: I think was quite noteworthy. I don't know if you 865 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,840 Speaker 1: saw this, Sager, but there has been you know, there 866 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,879 Speaker 1: have been a number of countries that have basically tried 867 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,520 Speaker 1: to stay non aligned, unaligned in this conflict, to try 868 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 1: to stay sort of very neutral. Pretty stunning rebuke of 869 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:31,200 Speaker 1: them though, with this UN resolution that was passed that 870 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,640 Speaker 1: you know, is basically like condemning all of their actions 871 00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,759 Speaker 1: in terms of Ukraine. And it passed overwhelmingly one hundred 872 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,879 Speaker 1: and forty three to five. So they only had five 873 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:44,080 Speaker 1: countries who were willing to directly side with Russia, and 874 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,600 Speaker 1: then he had thirty five abstentions and people who were like, 875 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,160 Speaker 1: now I'm staying out of it, and I think that 876 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,279 Speaker 1: China and India were among those. But you know, he's 877 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:55,000 Speaker 1: clearly sort of lost ground in terms of the public 878 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,439 Speaker 1: narrative and like the global view of what's going on here, 879 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,720 Speaker 1: and we cover previously the way that China and India 880 00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,080 Speaker 1: are sort of, you know, also pushing back on the 881 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,200 Speaker 1: actions that the Russian regime has taken with regards to Ukraine. Yeah, 882 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,800 Speaker 1: that vote actually was pretty important. The Biden administration wanted 883 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,760 Speaker 1: only one hundred and five, which was the same number 884 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 1: that had the resolution on CRIMEA. They got forty more 885 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,200 Speaker 1: than they actually bargained for, which is pretty extraordinary. The 886 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 1: five who voted against it were North Korea, Syria, Belarus 887 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,080 Speaker 1: and Nicaraguas or some true great company to keep there 888 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,759 Speaker 1: for Putin. Look, I mean, it shows you how isolated 889 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,759 Speaker 1: he is, even China and India not voting affirmatively in 890 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,040 Speaker 1: that position, and on top of the fact that he 891 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,960 Speaker 1: was rebuked directly by Modi and directly not well semi 892 00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,200 Speaker 1: by the Chinese Foreign Ministry after the missile attack because 893 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,200 Speaker 1: of the uncertainty it has cost. All right, now, let's 894 00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,920 Speaker 1: go to one of my personal favorite mysteries of what 895 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,120 Speaker 1: has been happening. Yeah, in the last couple of days 896 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:53,800 Speaker 1: regarding Elon Musk. So Vice News wrote a big piece 897 00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,080 Speaker 1: two days ago. Let's put this up there on the 898 00:44:56,080 --> 00:45:01,840 Speaker 1: screen headline Elon Musk spoke to Putin before tweeting Ukraine 899 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,439 Speaker 1: peace plan colon report. Now, let's all take a lot 900 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,279 Speaker 1: of notice of that colon and report that report. Doing 901 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,440 Speaker 1: a lot of work there. So they have a declarative 902 00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,240 Speaker 1: headline where they say that this happened. Now their source 903 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,680 Speaker 1: for this. This is where things get sketchy. They said 904 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,160 Speaker 1: that the report comes from Ian Bremer, who is not 905 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:26,000 Speaker 1: a journalist. Ian Bremer is hard to describe him, pundit, 906 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:32,080 Speaker 1: an international affairs explainer to the neoliberal elite. He kind 907 00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:36,960 Speaker 1: of runs like a global information firm where rich people 908 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,000 Speaker 1: pay him to figure out geopolitics and tell him the 909 00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,600 Speaker 1: inside scoop of what's going on. All right, that's the 910 00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,680 Speaker 1: best way. And he's made himself fantastic Washington insider type, 911 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,600 Speaker 1: more like good global insider. He's always on the phone 912 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,560 Speaker 1: with war leaders and all these other people, and he 913 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,600 Speaker 1: has a big profile on MSNBC, etc. My point is 914 00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,360 Speaker 1: that he's not a journalist, so that's why it's a 915 00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:56,880 Speaker 1: little bit sketchy. And he has been caught in the 916 00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,439 Speaker 1: past kind of massaging the facts when trying to push 917 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,760 Speaker 1: a narrative in a certain direction in order to fit 918 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,600 Speaker 1: his worldview. Anyway, so all of this goes back to 919 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,520 Speaker 1: Ian Bremer now. Ian Bremer apparently wrote in an email 920 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:13,360 Speaker 1: to his subscribers, his paywal subscribers, that Musk had told 921 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,880 Speaker 1: him that Putin was prepared to negotiate, but only if 922 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,840 Speaker 1: Crimea remained Russian. If Ukraine accepted a form of neutrality 923 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:24,040 Speaker 1: if Ukraine accepted the Russian annexation. According to Bremer, Musk 924 00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,400 Speaker 1: had said that Putin had told him these goals that 925 00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,680 Speaker 1: they accomplished no matter what. Now. What's weird, though, is 926 00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,120 Speaker 1: that Bremer claimed that that conversation with Musk had happened 927 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:37,160 Speaker 1: two weeks before, so way before the Twitter poll. So allegedly, 928 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,880 Speaker 1: in Bremer's timeline, Musk has spoken to Putin in some 929 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,640 Speaker 1: undetermined period of time two or three weeks ago, then 930 00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,279 Speaker 1: decides to just tweet this out of the blue, and 931 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:50,200 Speaker 1: then this was picked up as confirmation that Elon whenever 932 00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:51,920 Speaker 1: he was proposing his piece deal, which by the way, 933 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,640 Speaker 1: it was on Twitter as a polls stupid in its 934 00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,640 Speaker 1: own right, but let's put that aside, that he was 935 00:46:55,680 --> 00:47:00,279 Speaker 1: spouting quote Russian talking points, not his own feelings about 936 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,640 Speaker 1: what's happened. So it was tweeted to great acclaim proof 937 00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,360 Speaker 1: that Elon is an foreign asset, why he should be 938 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,319 Speaker 1: prosecuted as a hatch act, all this stuff. But then 939 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,239 Speaker 1: something crazy happened. Elon denied it. Let's put this on 940 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,640 Speaker 1: this screed. So he comes out, someone said, Elon, is 941 00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,360 Speaker 1: this true? He says, no, it's not I have not 942 00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,920 Speaker 1: spoken to Putin. I've spoken to Putin only once. That 943 00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,359 Speaker 1: was eighteen months ago. The subject matter was space. Now 944 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,920 Speaker 1: that's where things got really interesting, because I mean, you 945 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,279 Speaker 1: tell me what you think, Crystal. It's possible Elon is 946 00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,680 Speaker 1: just straight up lying that he did speak to Putin 947 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,640 Speaker 1: or not. I personally, though, find it very hard to believe, 948 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,600 Speaker 1: given the fact that if it had happened, I have 949 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,239 Speaker 1: almost zero doubt that the NSSA would have leaked that 950 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,520 Speaker 1: at the time. Remember Michael Flynn whenever they were monitoring 951 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,360 Speaker 1: his communications with a national security or with the Russian ambassador. 952 00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,719 Speaker 1: I just have to believe, and maybe I'm naive, but 953 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,600 Speaker 1: this intelligence services are monitoring every phone call that the 954 00:47:55,680 --> 00:48:00,319 Speaker 1: Kremlin takes from basically the entire world and specifically the West. Yeah, 955 00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,200 Speaker 1: and if it were to involve the world's richest man, 956 00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,680 Speaker 1: I think that that phone call, especially if he denied it, 957 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,800 Speaker 1: where's it going to be leaked by the intelligence services? 958 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,520 Speaker 1: I just I don't personally see a world where you 959 00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,359 Speaker 1: could lie with that, lie about that and get away 960 00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:16,000 Speaker 1: with it. Anyway. Then what happened is Ian Bremer now 961 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,239 Speaker 1: is sticking by his story, but he's massaging facts a 962 00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,840 Speaker 1: little bit. Let's put this other screen, he says. Elon 963 00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,560 Speaker 1: told me he had spoken with Putin and that the 964 00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,719 Speaker 1: Kremlin talked directly about ukrate. He also said that he 965 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,520 Speaker 1: knew what the Kremlin's red lines were. I've been writing 966 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:33,520 Speaker 1: my weekly newsletter on geopolagy twenty four years. I write honestly, 967 00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,720 Speaker 1: without fear or favor. This week's update was no different. 968 00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:37,879 Speaker 1: I have long admired Musk is a unique and world 969 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,200 Speaker 1: changing entrepreneur, which I've said publicly. He's not a geopolitics 970 00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,520 Speaker 1: expert also, and I think Must replied to that. Must 971 00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:48,160 Speaker 1: replied and said nobody should trust Bremmer. And then the 972 00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,640 Speaker 1: Kremlin was asked. They said, hey, have you ever talked 973 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:52,000 Speaker 1: to you on muscle? And like now, we've never talk 974 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,960 Speaker 1: to you on Musk, So anyway, look untrustworthy characters all around. Yeah, well, 975 00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:57,960 Speaker 1: I don't know what happened. I don't have much to 976 00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:59,759 Speaker 1: say about this because I don't trust any of these people. 977 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,000 Speaker 1: The problem, I think the only that's why I love 978 00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,440 Speaker 1: this story. The only thing I can really say is 979 00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:08,120 Speaker 1: that with Vice, I don't even have a problem with that, 980 00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,880 Speaker 1: with them reporting that Ian Bremer is telling this to 981 00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,040 Speaker 1: his basically elite audience. But it needs to be much 982 00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,719 Speaker 1: more clear that number one, they have not verified this. 983 00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,320 Speaker 1: Number two they say they reached out to Musk for comedy, 984 00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,400 Speaker 1: didn't get back to them. Whatever. But like you should, 985 00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,759 Speaker 1: you should be leading with the fact that this is 986 00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:29,560 Speaker 1: a wholly unconfirmed report authored by one dude. But I 987 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,520 Speaker 1: don't actually have problem with them reporting it because it 988 00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,480 Speaker 1: is important to know what elite audiences are being told 989 00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,120 Speaker 1: and sort of shaping their understanding of the unfolding of events. 990 00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,920 Speaker 1: So that's basically the only thing I can say conclusively 991 00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,840 Speaker 1: about this, because yeah, I don't trust a single I 992 00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,920 Speaker 1: don't trust Kremlin, I don't trust Musk, I don't trust Bremmer. 993 00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,600 Speaker 1: So who knows? This is what journalism is very important. 994 00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,320 Speaker 1: Notice right before this, when I was describing the FSB, 995 00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:54,800 Speaker 1: what did I keep saying? I was like, look, this 996 00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,319 Speaker 1: is what the FSP says. I'm not claiming this this 997 00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,320 Speaker 1: they have a narrative. These are untrustworthy folks. Yeah, and 998 00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,359 Speaker 1: here's the other side. There was none of that. They 999 00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,879 Speaker 1: were just like they wanted the sensationalist headline to send 1000 00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,000 Speaker 1: everybody into which they did, which they did. And you know, 1001 00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,440 Speaker 1: the thing is that if they, it still would have 1002 00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,359 Speaker 1: landed us. Yes, because you have a lot of people who, 1003 00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,040 Speaker 1: you know, they see Musk as a sort of like 1004 00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,920 Speaker 1: parson figure and they see him as third lights. They 1005 00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,279 Speaker 1: would have assumed that it was true anyway. But you 1006 00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,120 Speaker 1: got to lead with the fact that this is a 1007 00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:27,279 Speaker 1: wholly unconfirmed report and soft pedal this a little bit more, 1008 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,879 Speaker 1: whereas they were really trying to go for like the clickbaity, 1009 00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,480 Speaker 1: most sensatialist, most maximal's headline. If you want to run 1010 00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,080 Speaker 1: that headline, you have to get confirmation from Elon Musk. 1011 00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,280 Speaker 1: You have to. You cannot say spoke to Vladimir Putin. 1012 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,640 Speaker 1: You cannot say that. Otherwise the thing that it's enough 1013 00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:44,439 Speaker 1: to just say colon report. Obviously, Ian Bremmer claims Musk 1014 00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,440 Speaker 1: spoke to Putin. That's what you had. That has to 1015 00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:50,480 Speaker 1: be the headline or report. You know, geopolitical analysts claims 1016 00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:54,120 Speaker 1: Musk said X. You can't just run it without confirmation 1017 00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,560 Speaker 1: or the very least without comment. It's outrageous that he 1018 00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,400 Speaker 1: said he did. That's what it is. And then you 1019 00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,400 Speaker 1: got to trade and so look, we don't know I 1020 00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,759 Speaker 1: mean personally here's what I think happened. I think either 1021 00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:08,279 Speaker 1: Musk lied to in Bremer or Ian Bremer misunderstood, and 1022 00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,080 Speaker 1: I think all of this probably happened in some weird, 1023 00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,120 Speaker 1: off the record background conversation and then eventually got lost 1024 00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,040 Speaker 1: in translation YEA to the public, definitely causing embarrassment for 1025 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,000 Speaker 1: both men personally. That's my takeaway, but it is. I mean, 1026 00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,400 Speaker 1: Musk is an odd communicator, so you could kind of 1027 00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,479 Speaker 1: imagine how you know, if you understood or Brammer heard 1028 00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,880 Speaker 1: what he wanted to hear or something like that. You 1029 00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:29,680 Speaker 1: never listened to one Joe Rogan, you know, it's like 1030 00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,960 Speaker 1: it takes like twelve second. I listened to three and 1031 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,680 Speaker 1: a half speed, and I'm like, man, this guy's pausing 1032 00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,120 Speaker 1: a lot. But I can't even imagine what it would 1033 00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,839 Speaker 1: be at normal anyway. So that's a takeaway from something 1034 00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,600 Speaker 1: that you may have heard. Whether it's true or not, 1035 00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,160 Speaker 1: no clue, but it is a commentary on the press, 1036 00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:50,120 Speaker 1: anybody's guess. So let's get to another noteworthy part of 1037 00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,680 Speaker 1: that Biden sit down with Jake Tapper, where he was 1038 00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,200 Speaker 1: asked about the possibility of a recession. Let's take to 1039 00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,760 Speaker 1: listen to what he had to say the economy remains 1040 00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,040 Speaker 1: top top of mind for voters. Ap Morgan Chase CEO 1041 00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,880 Speaker 1: said the US is likely to enter a recession in 1042 00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,560 Speaker 1: the next nine months. Bank of America says the US 1043 00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,760 Speaker 1: could start losing one hundred and seventy five thousand jobs 1044 00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,000 Speaker 1: a months. Gas prices are on the rise again. Should 1045 00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,560 Speaker 1: the American people prepare for a recession? No, Look, they've 1046 00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,120 Speaker 1: been saying this now, how every every six months they 1047 00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,520 Speaker 1: say this. Every six months they look down the next 1048 00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,680 Speaker 1: six months, what was going to happen? It hadn't happened yet, 1049 00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,680 Speaker 1: It hadn't been there has There is no there's no 1050 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,120 Speaker 1: guarantee that they're going to bed I don't think there 1051 00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:31,719 Speaker 1: will be a recession. If it is, it will be 1052 00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:37,040 Speaker 1: a very slight recession, that is, will move down slightly. Well, look, 1053 00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,520 Speaker 1: think about what's happened. We have done more. We're in 1054 00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:44,000 Speaker 1: a better position than any other major country in the 1055 00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:49,279 Speaker 1: world economically and politically. So recession noteworthy there that he 1056 00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,040 Speaker 1: even acknowledges it's a possibility, And to my knowledge, that's 1057 00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,600 Speaker 1: the first time that they've even admitted that we could 1058 00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,000 Speaker 1: be heading for a recession. Now, he's actually not wrong 1059 00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,160 Speaker 1: that we're better positioned than a lot of countries around 1060 00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,680 Speaker 1: the world. It's just a dire statement on how poorly 1061 00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,080 Speaker 1: positioned a lot of countries around the world ultimately are. 1062 00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:09,680 Speaker 1: And that's being our own domestic fragility and likelihood of 1063 00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:14,080 Speaker 1: falling into a slight or deep recession is obviously being 1064 00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,600 Speaker 1: fuel and exacerbated by the Fed's policies, and that is 1065 00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:21,760 Speaker 1: also exascerbating fueling that possibility for countries around the world. Saga. 1066 00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,319 Speaker 1: There are also new inflation numbers now this morning that 1067 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,640 Speaker 1: do not paint a pretty pictury. That's right. So just 1068 00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,280 Speaker 1: came out while we were filming the show. Inflation roast 1069 00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,400 Speaker 1: eight point two percent in the last year. That is 1070 00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,359 Speaker 1: down from the forty year high of nine point one 1071 00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,720 Speaker 1: percent in June, but obviously still too high. In September alone, 1072 00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,399 Speaker 1: core inflation rose yer point four percent, which is up 1073 00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,719 Speaker 1: from point one in August. Food and rent prices are 1074 00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:46,200 Speaker 1: continuing to climb, even though gas has come down somewhat. 1075 00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,480 Speaker 1: So what are the things that are driving inflation? Number one? Rent? 1076 00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:53,120 Speaker 1: Number two, food, number three? Health insurance. Health insurance is 1077 00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,279 Speaker 1: actually up twenty you know, I just got a letter 1078 00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,120 Speaker 1: in the mail crystal, My health insurance will be gone 1079 00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,359 Speaker 1: by one hundred and twenty four open enrollment period coming 1080 00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,080 Speaker 1: up by what about two What a beautiful system. We 1081 00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,480 Speaker 1: actually erred and twenty percent increase. We should actually cover 1082 00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,360 Speaker 1: those increases specifically because it is really out of control. 1083 00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,799 Speaker 1: So health insurance is up twenty eight percent in last year, 1084 00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,560 Speaker 1: Thank you Obamacare. Rent is up seven point two percent 1085 00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,680 Speaker 1: in the past year, the largest increase since nineteen eighty two. 1086 00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,920 Speaker 1: Groceries are up thirteen percent in the last year, with flour, turkey, 1087 00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,520 Speaker 1: and butter up the most ever in their entire history. 1088 00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,280 Speaker 1: So I guess we'll get to do that fun. Actually 1089 00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,760 Speaker 1: we literally did it last year. I remember how expensive 1090 00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,040 Speaker 1: will you get me? Exactly? It turns out it got 1091 00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:36,080 Speaker 1: worse well. And this is obviously important in terms of 1092 00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,200 Speaker 1: what it means for individual consumers and families trying to 1093 00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:40,919 Speaker 1: make their budgets balance at the end of the month. 1094 00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,359 Speaker 1: It's only getting increasingly more and more difficult. It also 1095 00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:45,840 Speaker 1: matters a lot in terms of what the FUT is 1096 00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,760 Speaker 1: going to do because they're going to look at these numbers, 1097 00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,880 Speaker 1: they're going to say, so it already was basically set 1098 00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,600 Speaker 1: in stone that they're going to lift rates again by 1099 00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,239 Speaker 1: point seventy five points. That is an extraordinary hike. I 1100 00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,080 Speaker 1: think will be the fourth time that they've lifted on 1101 00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,399 Speaker 1: by point seventy five points. And then the reporting is 1102 00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,840 Speaker 1: after that they were going to have a debate about 1103 00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:05,880 Speaker 1: what they were going to do next, whether they were 1104 00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,000 Speaker 1: going to you know, sort of dial it back, maybe 1105 00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,200 Speaker 1: do half a percentage point increase next time around. When 1106 00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,760 Speaker 1: you see numbers like this, which outside of I believe 1107 00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,839 Speaker 1: food and energy is like the highest inflation that we've 1108 00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,799 Speaker 1: seen in decades, is that you know, not good indicators 1109 00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,839 Speaker 1: of how things are going, that is going to keep 1110 00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:28,680 Speaker 1: them down this incredibly hawkish path of austerity which is 1111 00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,960 Speaker 1: designed to you know, quote unquote tighten the labor market. 1112 00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,440 Speaker 1: What does that mean? Spike unemployment, crush wages, make it 1113 00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,200 Speaker 1: a lot more difficult for workers who are trying to 1114 00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,080 Speaker 1: organize or just trying to you know, live and go 1115 00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,600 Speaker 1: about their business. So this all makes it that much 1116 00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,000 Speaker 1: more likely that we are going to enter into not 1117 00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,560 Speaker 1: a slight recession as the president's soft pedals there, but 1118 00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,680 Speaker 1: into a you know, real severe and painful recession for 1119 00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,400 Speaker 1: a lot of people. And we also had pulled before. 1120 00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,000 Speaker 1: There are a lot of signs of just how precarious 1121 00:55:56,080 --> 00:56:00,279 Speaker 1: the American public is financially right now, and in fact 1122 00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,440 Speaker 1: the sort of global public financially. But let's take a 1123 00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,640 Speaker 1: look at this. Next piece is from market Watch. They 1124 00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:09,440 Speaker 1: say savings are drying up as financial fragility increases. After 1125 00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,920 Speaker 1: stocking away savings during the aftermath of the COVID nineteen crisis. 1126 00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:17,719 Speaker 1: American households and businesses are watching those cushions rapidly deteriorate 1127 00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:21,600 Speaker 1: as prices have soared. They have quote an analyst here 1128 00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,680 Speaker 1: who says, you know that what they find alarming is 1129 00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:28,120 Speaker 1: just how quickly Americans had to speed through their savings 1130 00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,360 Speaker 1: because of those high prices. This is all according to 1131 00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,120 Speaker 1: the latest rating of S and P Global Ratings financial 1132 00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:38,520 Speaker 1: fragility indicator rose rapidly during the second quarter this year, 1133 00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:44,200 Speaker 1: fastest pace of deterioration since the financial crisis of two 1134 00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,120 Speaker 1: thousand and eight and before that, the dot com crash 1135 00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,600 Speaker 1: back in two thousand and one. So to summarize here, 1136 00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,880 Speaker 1: you know, people benefited from the pandemic programs. They actually 1137 00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,879 Speaker 1: were effective and helping helping to cushion the blow of 1138 00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,160 Speaker 1: you know, the government, the economy shutdowns and the loss 1139 00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,480 Speaker 1: of jobs and all that going on. Then, plus people 1140 00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,840 Speaker 1: were at home, they just weren't out spending as much money. 1141 00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,279 Speaker 1: Now that you know that has ended and all those 1142 00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,520 Speaker 1: programs have been pulled. And then you also have inflation 1143 00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:14,359 Speaker 1: stretching budgets and wages not even coming close to keeping 1144 00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,480 Speaker 1: up with inflation. You have people burning through their savings 1145 00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,920 Speaker 1: like crazy, all of those bank accounts ultimately being drained 1146 00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:25,000 Speaker 1: at the fastest pace of deterioration since the financial crisis 1147 00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:26,840 Speaker 1: of two thousand and eight. And not a pretty picture. 1148 00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,520 Speaker 1: A fun warning for the IMF. Put this up there. 1149 00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:32,120 Speaker 1: I just love this headline. The worst is yet to 1150 00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:35,400 Speaker 1: come from the IOL. Thanks im Broke. That look for 1151 00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,600 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty three interest rate increases will spur a 1152 00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,680 Speaker 1: harsh global recession is what they say. They say, quote 1153 00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:46,400 Speaker 1: we are headed for stormy waters in the World Economic Outlook, 1154 00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:50,360 Speaker 1: published by the top officials at the IMF. Yeah. So, look, 1155 00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,480 Speaker 1: I mean the crazy thing about these is that in 1156 00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:56,000 Speaker 1: many ways their feedback loops, which is markets will drop 1157 00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,280 Speaker 1: on as a result of the predictions, and so it's 1158 00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,840 Speaker 1: you know, it all just spurs to get and then 1159 00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,360 Speaker 1: something else. So we've also been tracking very closely. Crystal. 1160 00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:07,800 Speaker 1: US mortgages are now at a fresh sixteen year high. 1161 00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:11,280 Speaker 1: Put this up there, Wow, six point eight one percent, 1162 00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,919 Speaker 1: making it nearly impossible to finance a new house. It's 1163 00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:21,480 Speaker 1: just crazy. The refinancing applications are down to a twenty 1164 00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,240 Speaker 1: two year low. Wow, Meaning that if you own a 1165 00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,320 Speaker 1: home and you're paying a mortgage, you ain't moving anytime soon, 1166 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,960 Speaker 1: because to sell your house you'd be a fool, and 1167 00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,040 Speaker 1: to give up and get a new mortgage you would 1168 00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:33,800 Speaker 1: also be a fool. Yeah, you'd have to be crazy 1169 00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:35,680 Speaker 1: to sell your house if you have, you know, a 1170 00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,400 Speaker 1: low interest rate, which they were low, they were extremely 1171 00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,320 Speaker 1: low not so long ago. If you had that locked 1172 00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,160 Speaker 1: in and then to move, I mean, you would have 1173 00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,520 Speaker 1: to buy a house that's like so much less than 1174 00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:48,360 Speaker 1: the house that you're already in to be able to 1175 00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:52,000 Speaker 1: afford it at these rates. It's hard to overstate how 1176 00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:56,480 Speaker 1: much the increase in mortgage rates makes housing wildly unaffordable 1177 00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,000 Speaker 1: for most people. And so you mentioned the inflation numbers, 1178 00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:01,800 Speaker 1: rend prices going. I mean, this is also directly tied 1179 00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,560 Speaker 1: into this because if you have people, you know, being 1180 00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:06,480 Speaker 1: pushed down of being able to buy homes and being 1181 00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,200 Speaker 1: able to afford homes. Well, then you have a larger 1182 00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:11,680 Speaker 1: renter population, and that increases rent prices. So it is 1183 00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,920 Speaker 1: like bad for everybody all the way around, unless you're 1184 00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,120 Speaker 1: someone who has you know, millions in cash and can 1185 00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,560 Speaker 1: go snap something out up without having to get a 1186 00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:23,200 Speaker 1: mortgage or permanent capital. You know. We I think we 1187 00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:27,080 Speaker 1: covered how these homebuilders are making deals selling their housing 1188 00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,800 Speaker 1: new houses that like cut rates fifteen to twenty percent 1189 00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:34,080 Speaker 1: off to these to these large like Wall Street firms, 1190 00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:36,200 Speaker 1: so that they'll be able to in a position to 1191 00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,120 Speaker 1: like make a you know, make a bunch of money 1192 00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,560 Speaker 1: on the other side of this thing. But for literally 1193 00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:44,040 Speaker 1: everyone else is getting screwed here. And it's no accident 1194 00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:47,000 Speaker 1: that you know the numbers. Just on the political front. 1195 00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:48,960 Speaker 1: We're going to transition to another political story here in 1196 00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:53,400 Speaker 1: a minute, which I'm with Fetterman. The CNN's most recent 1197 00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,760 Speaker 1: poll has only twenty two percent of Americans rating economic 1198 00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,480 Speaker 1: conditions in the country is good, Forty one percent say 1199 00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:03,240 Speaker 1: the conditions a poor, thirty seven percent say they're very poor. 1200 01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,400 Speaker 1: Half of Americans say Biden's policies have served to worsen 1201 01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:10,360 Speaker 1: economic conditions. Twenty six say twenty six percent say they 1202 01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,080 Speaker 1: have improved conditions. Twenty four percent say they've had no effect. 1203 01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,000 Speaker 1: And actually that's actually a little bit of an improvement 1204 01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,880 Speaker 1: for Biden from a poll taken back in April and May, 1205 01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:23,240 Speaker 1: when only nineteen percent thought that Biden's economics of policies 1206 01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:27,160 Speaker 1: were helping in fifty five percent said they were worsening conditions. 1207 01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,000 Speaker 1: So I guess some of the things that he has 1208 01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:31,960 Speaker 1: done have at least made a impression. Probably mostly of 1209 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,480 Speaker 1: the movement I would guess is with Democrats who have 1210 01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,680 Speaker 1: been happier with him lately. But you know, in terms 1211 01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:41,000 Speaker 1: of the political landscape and where things are headed for 1212 01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:43,360 Speaker 1: the fall, you know, this is a pretty dire portrait 1213 01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,680 Speaker 1: of the reality for Americans and how they're feeling and 1214 01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:50,760 Speaker 1: where things are ultimately headed. Yeah, absolutely correct. Okay, let's 1215 01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:54,600 Speaker 1: get to this little controversy involving John Fetterman, who of 1216 01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,720 Speaker 1: course is the Democratic nominee for the Senate in Pennsylvania. 1217 01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:01,240 Speaker 1: This is a key race up against doctor oz Is, 1218 01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:05,280 Speaker 1: the Republican, and Fetterman's still in the average of polls. 1219 01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,280 Speaker 1: Let's actually go ahead and put the second piece up 1220 01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,880 Speaker 1: here on the screen, the D two. He actually does 1221 01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:14,000 Speaker 1: still hold about a six point lead here, but he 1222 01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,440 Speaker 1: used to have a wider lead. Most of the analysts 1223 01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:20,320 Speaker 1: believe that, you know, things were likely to narrow anyway. 1224 01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,400 Speaker 1: And also Oz has really been hitting him with a 1225 01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,680 Speaker 1: lot of ads on crime that seem to be having 1226 01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:28,600 Speaker 1: an effect. But the other component of this race is, 1227 01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,920 Speaker 1: of course the fact that Fetterman is recovering from a stroke. 1228 01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:33,800 Speaker 1: And you know it has been fairly open about the 1229 01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,680 Speaker 1: fact he's recovering from a stroke. He pulled back from 1230 01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:40,200 Speaker 1: doing many public events, many interviews, He's only doing one 1231 01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:43,919 Speaker 1: debate fairly close to when the election ultimately is. He's 1232 01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,320 Speaker 1: talked about how, you know, you can tell in his 1233 01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,280 Speaker 1: speech that it's not all come back, it's obvious. He's 1234 01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,200 Speaker 1: talked about how he has a lot of auditory processing 1235 01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,160 Speaker 1: issues where he has to have close captioning to be 1236 01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,400 Speaker 1: able to really understand what questions are being asked and 1237 01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:58,960 Speaker 1: then the context of the conversation. So all of that 1238 01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:01,520 Speaker 1: is ongoing and very open question over how voters are 1239 01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:03,640 Speaker 1: going to feel about that as they head into the polls. 1240 01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:08,400 Speaker 1: And one of his first big sit down interviews since 1241 01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,880 Speaker 1: the stroke, he sat down with a reporter for NBC 1242 01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:15,200 Speaker 1: News and there was this one part of it of 1243 01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:18,000 Speaker 1: something she said about what her interactions were like with 1244 01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,160 Speaker 1: John Fetterman that has proved to be very controversial. Let's 1245 01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:24,280 Speaker 1: take a listen to that. We had a monitor set 1246 01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:27,320 Speaker 1: up so that he could read my questions because he 1247 01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:31,120 Speaker 1: still has lingering auditory processing issues as a result of 1248 01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:34,800 Speaker 1: the stroke, which means he has a hard time understanding 1249 01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,240 Speaker 1: what he's hearing. Now once he reads the question, he's 1250 01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:41,440 Speaker 1: able to understand, you'll hear he also still has some problems, 1251 01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:45,640 Speaker 1: some challenges with speech. And I'll say Katie that justin 1252 01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:49,560 Speaker 1: some of the small talk prior to the interview, before 1253 01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:52,680 Speaker 1: the closed captioning was up and running, it did seem 1254 01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:59,120 Speaker 1: that he had a hard time understanding our conversation. Okay, 1255 01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,160 Speaker 1: So this was seased on by some like right wing 1256 01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:04,520 Speaker 1: outlets and by the Republican Party. They clipped down that 1257 01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:06,520 Speaker 1: part and were like, you know, sharing this, and this 1258 01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:10,760 Speaker 1: provoked a huge, huge outcry saying like, basically it was 1259 01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:14,880 Speaker 1: inappropriate her at this reporter. Yeah, it was inappropriate for 1260 01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,440 Speaker 1: her to say this, that it was able list et cetera. 1261 01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:19,640 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you my opinion that I I'll hear 1262 01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:21,160 Speaker 1: from you because I know you have a strong reaction 1263 01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:24,320 Speaker 1: as as well. I just I didn't honestly understand the 1264 01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:27,240 Speaker 1: freak out in either direction. I am not a person 1265 01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:29,080 Speaker 1: who thinks that it should be off limits to talk 1266 01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:32,880 Speaker 1: about people's like health cognitive abilities. And we've talked about 1267 01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,760 Speaker 1: this a lot, a lot with President Biden, Feinstein, Trump, 1268 01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,520 Speaker 1: with Feinstein's all these people. I think, I mean, they 1269 01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:40,800 Speaker 1: are auditioning to be public servants. I think it is 1270 01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:42,880 Speaker 1: completely on the table to have this discussion. I didn't 1271 01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,080 Speaker 1: think it was inappropriate what she said at all. I 1272 01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:48,560 Speaker 1: also didn't see it as this great like gotcha that 1273 01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:50,960 Speaker 1: the right sort of wanted to portray it as, because 1274 01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:54,640 Speaker 1: he has said very clearly, I need the closed captioning. 1275 01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:58,440 Speaker 1: I have trouble, you know, with auditory processing. You can 1276 01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:00,840 Speaker 1: see if you watch the interview, he's clearly capable of 1277 01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:04,040 Speaker 1: like understanding what's being asked and formulating cogent responses. He 1278 01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:06,680 Speaker 1: just needs the close captioning. So I was, like, he said, 1279 01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:09,240 Speaker 1: he needs the close captioning. You're saying he needs a 1280 01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,680 Speaker 1: close captioning. That's perfectly consistent with how he's portrayed things. 1281 01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:14,160 Speaker 1: So I think if we had locked it in there, 1282 01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:17,240 Speaker 1: I would completely agree. It's the outrage at her which 1283 01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:21,440 Speaker 1: is driving me insane because the smear campaign which has 1284 01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:26,200 Speaker 1: been directed at that interviewer, Dasha Burns, is outrageous. They 1285 01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:31,600 Speaker 1: are attacking her as some like anti disability able list 1286 01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:35,680 Speaker 1: like activity. Did she say anything about you shouldn't vote 1287 01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,360 Speaker 1: for the guy because he needed close captionings? Is that 1288 01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,800 Speaker 1: what she said? No, she reported the truth, which is 1289 01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:44,960 Speaker 1: he seems to have trouble understanding what I'm saying without 1290 01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,720 Speaker 1: close captioning. That's up to you in order to consider that. 1291 01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:49,320 Speaker 1: By the way, I actually do think it's a huge problem. 1292 01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:52,640 Speaker 1: You could say otherwise because he is not forthright about 1293 01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,920 Speaker 1: his medical condition. No, I don't agree with that at all. Well, 1294 01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,400 Speaker 1: I mean he's only saying the s trouble with auditory processing. 1295 01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:59,600 Speaker 1: He refuses to say whether he has problem with this 1296 01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:02,920 Speaker 1: cognit and will not release him. But he's said very clearly. 1297 01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,800 Speaker 1: I mean he's he's released things from his doctor that 1298 01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:07,800 Speaker 1: have said and you can tell from the interview he 1299 01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:11,000 Speaker 1: doesn't have any problem with cognitively like responding to it, 1300 01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:15,480 Speaker 1: he says, I have trouble when processing, you know, from 1301 01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:18,320 Speaker 1: an auditory perspective, I need the closed captioning. I don't 1302 01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:20,200 Speaker 1: think that's an issue, and frankly, I also don't think 1303 01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:22,480 Speaker 1: that it's been an issue for voters either. He has 1304 01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:24,680 Speaker 1: been upfront about that. So that's why when I look 1305 01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,280 Speaker 1: at this, I'm like, what's the gotcha. She's saying he 1306 01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:30,200 Speaker 1: needs the closed captioning. He's saying, I need the close captioning. 1307 01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:33,000 Speaker 1: I actually appreciate that he's been like candid about that 1308 01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:34,840 Speaker 1: and has been trying to hide that he is in 1309 01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,360 Speaker 1: the process of recovery. Well, I'm just seeing I just 1310 01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:40,920 Speaker 1: disagree because he refuses to release his most updated medical records. 1311 01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:42,520 Speaker 1: And the fact is is that he could have a 1312 01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:45,040 Speaker 1: cognition problems, and we have no idea like until medical 1313 01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:49,080 Speaker 1: admitting himself to interviews so we can see that he 1314 01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:52,800 Speaker 1: doesn't have cognitive cognition. I mean, he's actually just when 1315 01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:56,120 Speaker 1: he's replacing words and can't replace I also have to 1316 01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,840 Speaker 1: be like, uh, you also have to be even handed here. 1317 01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,720 Speaker 1: I mean, he just sat for a big editorial interview 1318 01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:05,320 Speaker 1: with the Philadelphia Inquirer that doctor Oz is unwilling to do. 1319 01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:09,640 Speaker 1: So he's actually subjecting himself to more public scrutiny than 1320 01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:12,200 Speaker 1: doctor Oz is in terms of what his views are 1321 01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,440 Speaker 1: and how he would handle these things. So, like the 1322 01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:16,720 Speaker 1: freak count about he needs to be more transparent. No, 1323 01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:18,800 Speaker 1: to me, he's sitting for these interviews. This is not 1324 01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:20,120 Speaker 1: the only one that he did. He's done a bunch 1325 01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:22,240 Speaker 1: of them. He submitted him has submitted to himself to 1326 01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:27,200 Speaker 1: much more mainstream sort of press inquiry and transparency than 1327 01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,720 Speaker 1: ultimately doctor Oz has. So I think that's a very 1328 01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:32,840 Speaker 1: unfair characterization. See, I look, I'm not going to say 1329 01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:34,840 Speaker 1: that Oz shouldn't do the interview. What I'm more what 1330 01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:37,320 Speaker 1: I'm saying is is that you can't rule out cognition 1331 01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:40,280 Speaker 1: problems unless a doctor says so, he refuses to release 1332 01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:42,160 Speaker 1: his medical records that say it to the otherwise. This 1333 01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,160 Speaker 1: is one of one hundred jobs in the world. It's 1334 01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:47,080 Speaker 1: a tremendously important job. And frankly like saying that a 1335 01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:50,120 Speaker 1: guy who has very obvious brain damage and that's literally 1336 01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:52,720 Speaker 1: what this is. You can ask doctor Sanjay Gupta, who 1337 01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:55,120 Speaker 1: did a whole segment on this. That's a real issue. 1338 01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:57,160 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a very important job. It requires 1339 01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,920 Speaker 1: a lot of stress. Yeah, but again, I actually think 1340 01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:03,200 Speaker 1: it's more important to know what your stances are on 1341 01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:06,080 Speaker 1: issues and how you would vote. And that's what Oz 1342 01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:08,680 Speaker 1: has shielded himself from having to answer any real hard 1343 01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:10,880 Speaker 1: questions on because he knows that the peace on abortion 1344 01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:14,720 Speaker 1: in particular is very uncomfortable. So like the outrage about Fetterman, 1345 01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:18,960 Speaker 1: who is out here subjecting himself to public scrutiny, you know, 1346 01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:22,600 Speaker 1: in a very transparent manner, seems completely out of step 1347 01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,200 Speaker 1: with the treatment of doctor Oz, who's allowed to not 1348 01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:27,560 Speaker 1: sit for these interviews and not subject himself to press 1349 01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,360 Speaker 1: inquiry and like get a pass. I don't you know, 1350 01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:33,480 Speaker 1: I just don't agree about that. If doctors should sit 1351 01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:35,040 Speaker 1: down for an interview and he's not doing it because 1352 01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:36,919 Speaker 1: he's also scared of his position on abortion, Like let's 1353 01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:39,800 Speaker 1: be very yeah, that's obviously obviously what's happening here. Here's 1354 01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:42,120 Speaker 1: the other thing. And I think we probably disagree on 1355 01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:44,880 Speaker 1: the politics of this as well. Like, you know, the 1356 01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:48,160 Speaker 1: polls have tightened in this race, something that we expected 1357 01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:51,400 Speaker 1: would happen all along. It's Pennsylvania. No candidate was going 1358 01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,120 Speaker 1: to win the state by ten points. That was just 1359 01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:56,040 Speaker 1: never going to be realistic. But I don't think it's 1360 01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:58,520 Speaker 1: the stroke recovery thing that's been an issue for him. 1361 01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:00,760 Speaker 1: I honestly don't think that voters care that much about 1362 01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:02,360 Speaker 1: this stuff. And we saw this with Biden as well, 1363 01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:03,760 Speaker 1: like they took a look at this guy, They're like 1364 01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:06,160 Speaker 1: clearly slowing down. But you know what, I still prefer 1365 01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:10,000 Speaker 1: him over Donald Trump ultimately. Also, I honestly think it's 1366 01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:12,720 Speaker 1: been the ads hitting him on being quote unquote soft 1367 01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:16,160 Speaker 1: on crime that has been much more effective. So I'm 1368 01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:18,320 Speaker 1: not sure it's even a smart strategy. In fact, I 1369 01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:21,240 Speaker 1: don't think it is a smart strategy for Republicans to 1370 01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:24,599 Speaker 1: really hone in on this component as their main line 1371 01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:27,280 Speaker 1: of attack against Fetterman versus you know, some of the 1372 01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:29,360 Speaker 1: things that they've gotten traction with. Well that I agree. 1373 01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:31,040 Speaker 1: I mean, look at the data. How many ads are 1374 01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,040 Speaker 1: they running about his brain damage? Like none? How many 1375 01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:35,040 Speaker 1: adds are they running about crime? All of them? So 1376 01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:38,679 Speaker 1: I listen, I'm only looking at this in the vacuum 1377 01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:42,320 Speaker 1: of the people who are basically trying to smear this 1378 01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:45,040 Speaker 1: poor woman for just doing her job. I would have 1379 01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:48,600 Speaker 1: appreciated seeing this for Nyane Feinstein, for strom therma. This 1380 01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:50,800 Speaker 1: is the problem, which is that we have these you know, 1381 01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:53,599 Speaker 1: quote norms where we're supposed to just bow to whoever 1382 01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:57,320 Speaker 1: these quote unquote disability activists are and not actually and 1383 01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:00,560 Speaker 1: accurately describe people's mental If you want to vote, be 1384 01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:03,400 Speaker 1: my guest me personally, I look already had hang ups, 1385 01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:05,840 Speaker 1: so off betterman, So I'm already biased. Right, I'm trying 1386 01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:07,680 Speaker 1: to put myself in a position for somebody who I 1387 01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:09,920 Speaker 1: really liked had brain damage. Honestly, I don't think I 1388 01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:12,320 Speaker 1: would vote for to me what his positions are on 1389 01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:18,599 Speaker 1: you know, healthcare, drug prices, I mean, marijuana legalization. There's 1390 01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:21,840 Speaker 1: a million things that he supports which are much more 1391 01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:23,960 Speaker 1: in stepup with than I views. And I think that's 1392 01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:26,599 Speaker 1: the way that most voters ultimately look at this. And also, 1393 01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:29,360 Speaker 1: I mean saying brain damage, it might be technically true, 1394 01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:32,080 Speaker 1: but it's also very loaded. You can see he's subjecting 1395 01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:34,160 Speaker 1: himself to these interviews. You can see he is able 1396 01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:36,479 Speaker 1: to very clearly articulate what he thinks on all of 1397 01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:38,439 Speaker 1: these various things, which is more than you can say 1398 01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,320 Speaker 1: for doctor Oz at this point. So you're right, I 1399 01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:45,360 Speaker 1: think it would be right for Feinstein and you know, 1400 01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:49,000 Speaker 1: Biden and a lot of other people besides who are 1401 01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:51,400 Speaker 1: eighty five years old, and a lot of questions about 1402 01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:54,040 Speaker 1: how they're hanging in there. It would be definitely better 1403 01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:57,640 Speaker 1: and appropriate if they were mandated to subject themselves this 1404 01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:00,360 Speaker 1: kind of public Screeniny'd be better off herschel Walker, you know, 1405 01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:02,640 Speaker 1: subjected himself to this kind of public Screwy be better 1406 01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:05,679 Speaker 1: if doctor Oz subjected himself to this kind of public scrutiny. 1407 01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:08,240 Speaker 1: So I don't think it's a fair to attack Fetterman 1408 01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:10,479 Speaker 1: for doing the thing that we actually want him to do. 1409 01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,520 Speaker 1: I did think the criticism of this reporter was completely 1410 01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:15,840 Speaker 1: over the top, But I also don't think it should 1411 01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:17,640 Speaker 1: be disqualifying. I mean me personally, I don't think it 1412 01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:20,400 Speaker 1: should be disqualifying if you need close captioning, you know, 1413 01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:22,120 Speaker 1: like if you're heard. There are a lot of people 1414 01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:23,280 Speaker 1: who are hard of hearing. There are a lot of 1415 01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:25,960 Speaker 1: people who are who might struggle with I don't think 1416 01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,160 Speaker 1: I don't think that it's hard to have, like an 1417 01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:31,120 Speaker 1: accommodation to have closed captioning is doesn't seem like a 1418 01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:33,280 Speaker 1: big deal to me, And if it doesn't exist, it 1419 01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:35,320 Speaker 1: should exist, because people who are deaf or hard of 1420 01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:37,360 Speaker 1: hearing should not be shut out in public office just 1421 01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:39,960 Speaker 1: because they have trouble, you know, reading lips or understanding 1422 01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:42,400 Speaker 1: what's going on without having that accommodation. Look, if it's 1423 01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:45,160 Speaker 1: only close captioning, fine, but like, look, there's a lot 1424 01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:48,160 Speaker 1: of questions, and these much more risk of having another stroke. 1425 01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:50,600 Speaker 1: You never know, as I understand it. You know, with 1426 01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:53,400 Speaker 1: these events it can also lead to like follow on brain. 1427 01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:56,719 Speaker 1: All I'm saying is like, you can't rule out the cognition, 1428 01:10:56,880 --> 01:11:00,920 Speaker 1: And I think again, but again, he is subjecting himself 1429 01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:04,360 Speaker 1: to more scrutiny and more transparency about what he actually 1430 01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:07,400 Speaker 1: thinks and his ability to perform than anyone else. So yeah, 1431 01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:09,960 Speaker 1: voters ultimately like they get to decide what they think 1432 01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:11,720 Speaker 1: about it. But I think he should be applauded for 1433 01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:14,360 Speaker 1: actually subjecting He could have not done this interview very 1434 01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:17,479 Speaker 1: easily and would have gotten no one could have even 1435 01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:21,080 Speaker 1: really said much about it, since Oz is not subjecting 1436 01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:24,000 Speaker 1: himself to these interviews either. He could have just stayed quiet. 1437 01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:26,320 Speaker 1: He could have tried to hide the reality of how 1438 01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:29,320 Speaker 1: his stroke recovery is proceeding. So I think he deserves 1439 01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:31,599 Speaker 1: to be applauded for having this level of transport glad 1440 01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:33,479 Speaker 1: to set down for the interview. I actually do wonder 1441 01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:35,799 Speaker 1: I'm curious what you think whether it was the pressure 1442 01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:38,040 Speaker 1: for him not wanting to debate and not having done 1443 01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:39,560 Speaker 1: interviews in the past. As to why he did it 1444 01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:41,560 Speaker 1: in the first place, I wonder whether he wanted to 1445 01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:45,720 Speaker 1: show strength and his ability or whether like whether he 1446 01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:47,439 Speaker 1: felt compelled to do this, or whether he wanted to 1447 01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:51,040 Speaker 1: do I think they've decided as a political strategy that 1448 01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:53,320 Speaker 1: the best thing to do is just be upfront. Yeah, 1449 01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:56,040 Speaker 1: And I think that they're correct about that, because if 1450 01:11:56,280 --> 01:12:00,280 Speaker 1: he was in hiding and not doing interviews and not 1451 01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:03,000 Speaker 1: being upfront about the fact like hey, I need close captioning, 1452 01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:04,800 Speaker 1: you know, for the debate, and I need close captioning 1453 01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:07,160 Speaker 1: for these interviews and needed a couple podcast interviews where 1454 01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:09,760 Speaker 1: I needed the same thing, I think it would I 1455 01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:12,640 Speaker 1: think it would actually fuel this direction more because it 1456 01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:14,719 Speaker 1: would raise more questions than you could paint whatever portrait 1457 01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:17,080 Speaker 1: you wanted to paint. So I think with you know, 1458 01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:19,639 Speaker 1: with a lot of attacks, not just with regards to help, 1459 01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:21,519 Speaker 1: but a lot of things, the best thing you can 1460 01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:23,360 Speaker 1: do is just be upfront about like, yeah, this is 1461 01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:24,840 Speaker 1: what happened, or this is where I am or this 1462 01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:26,880 Speaker 1: is how I'm feeling, and then it takes some of 1463 01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:29,000 Speaker 1: the teeth out of the attack. I will also say 1464 01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:31,280 Speaker 1: that he's raised He raised like a million dollars in 1465 01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:34,720 Speaker 1: a day after this interview because there was so much 1466 01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:38,160 Speaker 1: like backlash and controversy around it and whatever. But you know, 1467 01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:41,839 Speaker 1: I think, generally speaking, obviously be better for him politically 1468 01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:44,040 Speaker 1: if he hadn't had a stroke and didn't have to 1469 01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:46,720 Speaker 1: answer these questions and could focus on his positions and 1470 01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:49,320 Speaker 1: his critique of Oz and all of those things. But 1471 01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:52,240 Speaker 1: you know, I think he's sort of taken the best 1472 01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:55,559 Speaker 1: possible political strategy of being candid about how things are 1473 01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:57,280 Speaker 1: going that he possibly could. Yeah. I want to see 1474 01:12:57,280 --> 01:12:59,639 Speaker 1: how he does in the debate. That's going to be interesting. Yeah. Okay, 1475 01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:05,599 Speaker 1: all right, let's talk about Kanye speaking of brain damage. Okay, 1476 01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:07,400 Speaker 1: so just let me give you a little bit of 1477 01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:09,920 Speaker 1: the context. Kanye, where was he like a fashion show 1478 01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:12,400 Speaker 1: in Europe or something, and he and Candice Owens were 1479 01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:14,840 Speaker 1: these White Lives Matter share? Correct. I don't give a shit, 1480 01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:16,720 Speaker 1: But a lot of people got very upset about this. 1481 01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:20,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, this like unhinged celebrity did something provocative. 1482 01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:23,600 Speaker 1: Who really cares? Then Tucker Carlson decided to seize on 1483 01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,320 Speaker 1: this moment and do this long sit down interview with 1484 01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:28,640 Speaker 1: Kanye West, which we also weren't going to cover for 1485 01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:33,040 Speaker 1: very similar reasons. But what was interesting after the fact 1486 01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:35,479 Speaker 1: is Tucker really set this up, and I've now watched 1487 01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:37,360 Speaker 1: the whole interview, he really set this up as like, 1488 01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:40,360 Speaker 1: people say Kanye's crazy, but I'm going to show you 1489 01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:44,400 Speaker 1: unvarnished what his real opinions are, and it's very and 1490 01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:47,120 Speaker 1: he sets it up as like he's obviously not crazy, 1491 01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:50,200 Speaker 1: his opinions make all kinds of sense. He's speaking the truth. 1492 01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:52,559 Speaker 1: It's just he doesn't say on the stay on the script. 1493 01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:56,320 Speaker 1: So the whole purpose, as portrayed by Tucker was to 1494 01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:58,680 Speaker 1: show his audience in the world that Kanye is not 1495 01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:02,240 Speaker 1: actually crazy and his rocker that he's thinking very clearly 1496 01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:05,720 Speaker 1: and logically about these things. Okay, So a day or two, 1497 01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:08,360 Speaker 1: I don't know, after this whole interview airs, and Kanye 1498 01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:11,360 Speaker 1: posts something on Twitter about like I'm going to go 1499 01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:16,400 Speaker 1: death con three on Jewish people, gets banned from Twitter. 1500 01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:19,880 Speaker 1: He also posts on Instagram that he thinks that puff 1501 01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:23,080 Speaker 1: Daddy Diddy whatever he's called now that he's being controlled 1502 01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:26,640 Speaker 1: by Jews, gets banned from Instagram as well, okay, so 1503 01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:30,320 Speaker 1: that brings us up to speed. Now, we had someone 1504 01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:34,320 Speaker 1: in the Fox universe leak to Vice News what parts 1505 01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:39,000 Speaker 1: of that Tucker Kanye interview were actually edited out? And 1506 01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:43,920 Speaker 1: it is very revealing because he chopped out, first of all, 1507 01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:48,280 Speaker 1: like four or five different just like over the top 1508 01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:52,000 Speaker 1: anti Semitic comments, like really blatant anti Submitic comments. But 1509 01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:56,559 Speaker 1: he also chops out everything that sounded completely freaking nuts 1510 01:14:56,720 --> 01:15:01,000 Speaker 1: and like absolutely lunatic things that he was. So he 1511 01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:05,720 Speaker 1: was talking about like someone had planted fake children in 1512 01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:08,880 Speaker 1: his house. That was the freakiest one right to like 1513 01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:15,120 Speaker 1: sexualize his children. He talked about like these energy cities 1514 01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:17,800 Speaker 1: that the Lord has told him and needs to create. 1515 01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:20,280 Speaker 1: I mean, he had all kinds of conspiracies. There's this 1516 01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:23,240 Speaker 1: like seven minute long story literally that he tells about 1517 01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:27,040 Speaker 1: his friend who died of cancer, and Kanye's constructed this 1518 01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:32,920 Speaker 1: whole elaborate conspiracy about how elites in Paris conspired to 1519 01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:35,519 Speaker 1: take this guy out. So just to give you a 1520 01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:37,960 Speaker 1: sense of what was left on the cutting room floor, 1521 01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:40,479 Speaker 1: take a listen to this. I was biting my tongue 1522 01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:44,000 Speaker 1: on my political opinion because I thought it would be 1523 01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:47,040 Speaker 1: better for my children and now you look up and 1524 01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:50,360 Speaker 1: my kids are going to a school that teaches black 1525 01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:56,280 Speaker 1: kids a complicated Kwanza. I prefer my kids knew hanukkah 1526 01:15:56,760 --> 01:16:01,040 Speaker 1: in Kwanza. At least it will come with some financial engineering. 1527 01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:04,600 Speaker 1: Think about us judging each other on how white we 1528 01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:09,120 Speaker 1: could talk, or be like, you know, a Jewish person 1529 01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:14,040 Speaker 1: judging another Jewish person on how good they danced or something. 1530 01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:16,320 Speaker 1: I mean, that's probably like a bad ex. I don't 1531 01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:18,160 Speaker 1: when people going to get mad at that shit, but 1532 01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:27,720 Speaker 1: another thing that they do that I probably want to 1533 01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:30,439 Speaker 1: edit that out in front of that like that. Okay, 1534 01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:35,479 Speaker 1: So you know I was talking to ice Cube today 1535 01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:38,720 Speaker 1: and we got really beat up in twenty twenty for 1536 01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:41,479 Speaker 1: saying we need to approach things a different way and 1537 01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:44,800 Speaker 1: not just be trauma drunk, which is a term that 1538 01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:47,120 Speaker 1: you know, God just hit me with in the past 1539 01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:51,800 Speaker 1: couple of days. We are no longer trauma drunk. We're 1540 01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:55,240 Speaker 1: no longer trauma drunk, and we're no longer trauma bonding, 1541 01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:58,560 Speaker 1: and we're no longer woke in the sense of what 1542 01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:03,360 Speaker 1: woke is, because woke is just complaining about racism but 1543 01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:09,560 Speaker 1: not doing anything about it. So what we're going to 1544 01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:13,360 Speaker 1: do about it is say, hey, you know what, Y're 1545 01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:18,000 Speaker 1: not going to send nobody at me based on my 1546 01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:23,879 Speaker 1: opinion you asked the question before. It drove me crazy 1547 01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:26,880 Speaker 1: to not be able to say that, I like Trump, 1548 01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:32,880 Speaker 1: Planned Parenthood was made by Margaret Sanger, a known eugenics 1549 01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:39,880 Speaker 1: with the KKK to control the Jew population. When I 1550 01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:43,519 Speaker 1: say Jew, I mean the twelve Lost tribes of Judah, 1551 01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:49,000 Speaker 1: the blood of Christ, who the race the people known 1552 01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:52,880 Speaker 1: as the race Black. So what also, Okay, another thing 1553 01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:55,720 Speaker 1: that's funny and actually none of this is funny. But 1554 01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:59,240 Speaker 1: another thing that's interesting is Kanye said at some point 1555 01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:03,360 Speaker 1: that he was but also got cut really yeah, and 1556 01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:08,160 Speaker 1: he said this thing about what was interesting to me 1557 01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:10,160 Speaker 1: was the way they cut so like the Margaret Sanger thing, 1558 01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:13,400 Speaker 1: he says, there they left that part in. So they 1559 01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:15,160 Speaker 1: left in the part of the interview where he's like, 1560 01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:19,280 Speaker 1: Margaret Sanger founder Planned Parenthood, no New Genesis founded with 1561 01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:22,000 Speaker 1: the KKK, and then they cut out that whole, like 1562 01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:25,080 Speaker 1: to control the Jew and by the Jew, I mean whatever. 1563 01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:28,640 Speaker 1: He went on to say. So they were very selective 1564 01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:31,600 Speaker 1: in the way that they cut out anything that was 1565 01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:34,599 Speaker 1: I mean the financial engineering thing with regard to Hanagut 1566 01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:38,920 Speaker 1: super and then he also says this thing that made 1567 01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:41,880 Speaker 1: it into the interview where he says that Trump was 1568 01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:44,560 Speaker 1: the first black president and he's going to be the 1569 01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:48,240 Speaker 1: first Latino president. And then in the interview they leave 1570 01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:51,000 Speaker 1: out the part after that where he says, because I 1571 01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:54,920 Speaker 1: get along with them better than some other businessmen, I'm 1572 01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:57,519 Speaker 1: going to leave it unnamed who they are, obviously another 1573 01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:01,439 Speaker 1: reference to Jewish people, all of that, and also, like 1574 01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:05,439 Speaker 1: I said, the craziest anecdotes about you know, this thing, 1575 01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:09,280 Speaker 1: this conspiracy imagined with regards to his kids and with 1576 01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:11,760 Speaker 1: his friend and all the energy cities, all of that 1577 01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:15,280 Speaker 1: left down, and so listen, I think my reaction is 1578 01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:17,880 Speaker 1: a little bit different than other people personally. You know, 1579 01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:20,519 Speaker 1: there's a lot of like this. They need to protect him, 1580 01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:22,960 Speaker 1: and they shouldn't be aring interviews with him whatsoever. I 1581 01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:24,760 Speaker 1: sort of feel like, listen, this is a grown ass 1582 01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:27,599 Speaker 1: man who has made an affirmative decision that he does 1583 01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:29,720 Speaker 1: not want to be on his medication, and it was 1584 01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:32,080 Speaker 1: made affirmative decision. He wants to be in the public eye. 1585 01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:34,800 Speaker 1: But if you're going to do that interview, you can't 1586 01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:37,800 Speaker 1: cut and paste it and try to massage it to 1587 01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:39,880 Speaker 1: make it into the thing you want it to be. 1588 01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:42,360 Speaker 1: The whole purpose of this interview is set up by 1589 01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:45,000 Speaker 1: Tucker was like to show how he's not crazy, and 1590 01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:47,799 Speaker 1: then you cut the craziest shit out of the interview, 1591 01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:51,880 Speaker 1: blatant propages. That's the problem with the cable news interview style, 1592 01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:53,840 Speaker 1: to just the cutting and the pasting and the way 1593 01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:55,920 Speaker 1: it's done. It's like you can basically weave whatever. But 1594 01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:58,519 Speaker 1: by the way, we've never edited an interview here once. Yeah, 1595 01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:01,760 Speaker 1: I think maybe unless somebody miss not even misspoke, but 1596 01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:04,679 Speaker 1: like said, like lost their train of thought and like said, 1597 01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:07,280 Speaker 1: can I answer that question again? Yeah, okay, sure, yes, 1598 01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:10,680 Speaker 1: but yeah, so I mean, listen, there is a time 1599 01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:14,639 Speaker 1: and a place for like a formal sit down edited interviews. 1600 01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:16,840 Speaker 1: There are different ways that you can do interviews. Most 1601 01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:19,800 Speaker 1: of cable news is actually just live and there's no edits. 1602 01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:23,200 Speaker 1: It's live, it happens. Whatever happens happens. There are formal 1603 01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:25,519 Speaker 1: sit downs. I mean, the Jake Tapper Biden interview was 1604 01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:27,320 Speaker 1: a formal sit down. I'm sure there were parts that 1605 01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:30,280 Speaker 1: were editing about There is a journalistically sound way to 1606 01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:33,400 Speaker 1: do that, and there's a journalistically fraudulent way to do that. 1607 01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:35,120 Speaker 1: The sound way is, you know, if you have some 1608 01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:37,439 Speaker 1: topic that's off topic that you just don't think is relevant, 1609 01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:40,160 Speaker 1: you cut the whole thing out. But it's not. Imagine 1610 01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:43,840 Speaker 1: if in that fetterment interview, for example, NBC News had 1611 01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:46,360 Speaker 1: cut out the places where he struggled for his worka 1612 01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:50,000 Speaker 1: that would be outrageous and selectively edited that way so 1613 01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:52,760 Speaker 1: that they could say, judge for yourself that he's doing 1614 01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:56,280 Speaker 1: great after his stroke. That would be completely fraudulent. And 1615 01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:59,320 Speaker 1: that's effectively what Tucker did here with Kanye was cut 1616 01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:02,240 Speaker 1: out all of the craziest parts to present a fraudulent 1617 01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:04,200 Speaker 1: image of how this man is. Actually it didn't even 1618 01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:06,760 Speaker 1: work because the clips ended up believing we're still right 1619 01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:09,680 Speaker 1: well in the interview itself was still pretty right out there, 1620 01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:12,240 Speaker 1: but it was a little bit more in the rails 1621 01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:15,200 Speaker 1: and didn't contain some of the most like blatantly anti 1622 01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:17,880 Speaker 1: semitic comments that he made during that. My takeaway is, 1623 01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:20,000 Speaker 1: don't try and make any of these people your political 1624 01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:22,479 Speaker 1: heroes whenever they're literally all off their ruck. You know, 1625 01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:26,240 Speaker 1: it's like, like, look, he's mentally ill, I feel really bad, 1626 01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:27,720 Speaker 1: you know, that stuff that he's saying he sounds like 1627 01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:30,519 Speaker 1: Bobby Fisher did in his later days. That actually reminded 1628 01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:33,160 Speaker 1: me of that bi Fisher also, you know, was this genius, 1629 01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:36,040 Speaker 1: the test prodigy and all that he lost his damn 1630 01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:39,320 Speaker 1: mind you also was deeply and for some reason like 1631 01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:42,320 Speaker 1: mental illness and anti Semitism and that specific brand like 1632 01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:45,320 Speaker 1: go hand. Well, it's like the conspiracy mindset, and that's 1633 01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:49,439 Speaker 1: that's the thing is, like Kanye obviously thinks he's very special. 1634 01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:52,960 Speaker 1: He thinks he's like world unique, and the reality is, 1635 01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:57,160 Speaker 1: you know, I've known people who are suffering from very 1636 01:21:57,240 --> 01:22:01,479 Speaker 1: similar mental illnesses and it's not I mean, everything he's 1637 01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:04,960 Speaker 1: doing here is classic behavior, including the unwillingness to take 1638 01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:07,680 Speaker 1: the meds by the way, because he feels like this 1639 01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:10,479 Speaker 1: way that he is in the world is what makes 1640 01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:13,639 Speaker 1: him genius and special, and he doesn't want anything that's 1641 01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:16,479 Speaker 1: gonna like tamp him, you know, tamp that down. Which 1642 01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:18,160 Speaker 1: is why I guess I have less of a reaction 1643 01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:19,799 Speaker 1: of like, oh, we have to protect him. You shouldn't 1644 01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:21,600 Speaker 1: air the interview at all. No, he has he's a 1645 01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:23,920 Speaker 1: grown man. He has decided he doesn't want to be 1646 01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:26,360 Speaker 1: on the meds. And there, you know, are consequences for that, 1647 01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:29,000 Speaker 1: and even consequences with regards to what his relationship with 1648 01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:30,840 Speaker 1: his kids are and what kid's gonna be willing to 1649 01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:33,720 Speaker 1: tolerate in terms of having him around the children. Those 1650 01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:37,080 Speaker 1: are things that he has chosen for himself. So but 1651 01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:38,960 Speaker 1: if you're going to show the whole ugly picture, you 1652 01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:41,439 Speaker 1: gotta show the whole ugly picture. The code of to 1653 01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:44,360 Speaker 1: the follow up to this is he I guess recorded 1654 01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:48,240 Speaker 1: a podcast interview also with Lebron James's and they just 1655 01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:53,240 Speaker 1: decide to you know, I either think you should pull 1656 01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:54,800 Speaker 1: the whole thing or show the whole thing, right. I 1657 01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:56,960 Speaker 1: don't think you should selectively edit out the parts that 1658 01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:59,160 Speaker 1: you don't like. You've got to you know, you gotta 1659 01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:04,240 Speaker 1: be transparent with all. I agree with that completely, crysl 1660 01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:05,880 Speaker 1: What are you taking a look at this morning? I 1661 01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:10,240 Speaker 1: have an absolutely made in a lab perfect story to 1662 01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:13,320 Speaker 1: share with you. It's a tale of money, culture war, 1663 01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:16,640 Speaker 1: and extreme political brain rot. So let's just jump right in, 1664 01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:19,120 Speaker 1: shall we. This is from the Wall Street Journal. Here's 1665 01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:23,000 Speaker 1: the headline, how a new anti woke bank stamp stumbled 1666 01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:27,640 Speaker 1: Glorify CEO Toby Nugebauer won over a list investors to 1667 01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:30,519 Speaker 1: build a bank for people who consider Wall Street too liberal. 1668 01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:34,639 Speaker 1: Within months, it was nearly mangrummed. So here's what happened. 1669 01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:37,280 Speaker 1: Apparently a group of right wing billionaires gave money to 1670 01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:39,599 Speaker 1: this Toby fellow to start a bank designed to own 1671 01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:41,760 Speaker 1: the libs. Now. I know that sounds ridiculous, but that 1672 01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:45,160 Speaker 1: was literally the idea Nugobauer himself. He's a private equity 1673 01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:47,280 Speaker 1: rich guy who plowed in ten million dollars of his 1674 01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:50,360 Speaker 1: own money. He joined up with former Mike Pence chief 1675 01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:53,200 Speaker 1: of staff Nick Airs to launch this whole venture, and 1676 01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:55,320 Speaker 1: they were able to raise big money from some really 1677 01:23:55,400 --> 01:23:58,599 Speaker 1: big Republican heavy hitters. Peter teal Ken Griffin were among 1678 01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:00,920 Speaker 1: the wealthy backers who pony dipped cash, along with former 1679 01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:05,320 Speaker 1: Republican Senator Kelly Loffler, Pallanteer, co founder Joe Lonsdale, and 1680 01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:08,439 Speaker 1: a lot more. Per the Journal quote, the startup called 1681 01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:12,559 Speaker 1: Glorify initially aimed to launch with bank accounts, credit cards, mortgages, 1682 01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:16,080 Speaker 1: and insurance while touting what it called pro America values 1683 01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:19,760 Speaker 1: such as capitalism, family law enforcement, and the freedom to 1684 01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:23,160 Speaker 1: celebrate your love of God and country. Glorifies that its 1685 01:24:23,160 --> 01:24:25,400 Speaker 1: customers can earn rewards that they will soon be able 1686 01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:28,080 Speaker 1: to donate to a charity for veterans and first responders. 1687 01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:31,759 Speaker 1: A homeowner's insurance policy that gives discounts to gun owners 1688 01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:34,639 Speaker 1: was in the planning stages, the company said, as website, 1689 01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:38,040 Speaker 1: adorned with flags blue collar workers and families, urges customers 1690 01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:41,120 Speaker 1: to quote put your money where your values are. They 1691 01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:44,599 Speaker 1: introduced credit cards with pro police and pro constitution designs. 1692 01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:47,320 Speaker 1: They hired right wing influencer Candice Owens to shill for 1693 01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:50,400 Speaker 1: this whole effort. They planned an ad campaign for Fox 1694 01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:54,320 Speaker 1: News and Maga internet influencers, including a video featuring Ronald 1695 01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:56,960 Speaker 1: Reagan giving a speech, and they had a big public 1696 01:24:57,080 --> 01:25:01,160 Speaker 1: debut at Seapack, the Conservative Political Action Conference, literally the 1697 01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:03,960 Speaker 1: day before this Wall Street Journal article dropped detailing how 1698 01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:06,679 Speaker 1: the company is now near bankruptcy and in a total 1699 01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:10,640 Speaker 1: state of collapse. Candice Owens tweeted this quote, we are 1700 01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:13,160 Speaker 1: at the beginning of the conservative economy. You guys will 1701 01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:16,880 Speaker 1: all be hearing about Glorify soon. It will overtake Bank 1702 01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:20,599 Speaker 1: of America, Wells Fargo, Chase, and PayPal very quickly. Please 1703 01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:23,599 Speaker 1: remember you heard it about about it on my Twitter 1704 01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:27,599 Speaker 1: first and she tweeted this marketing video. We didn't start 1705 01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:31,920 Speaker 1: the movement. You did one hundred million of you. Tired 1706 01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:34,360 Speaker 1: of the corporate league telling you how to think, woke 1707 01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:38,599 Speaker 1: companies denigrating this great country. Tired of big government, fake news, 1708 01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:41,680 Speaker 1: and everything that challenges your freedom. We don't think it's 1709 01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:43,680 Speaker 1: too much to ask to enjoy the benefits of big 1710 01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:46,320 Speaker 1: tech while being free to celebrate your love of God 1711 01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:49,839 Speaker 1: and country. That's why a Glorify. We're building the marketplace 1712 01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:51,920 Speaker 1: for the movement so that you can put your money 1713 01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:55,400 Speaker 1: where your values are, preserving America for our kids, for 1714 01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:59,719 Speaker 1: our grandkids, one nation under God. Glorify is pro family, 1715 01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:05,080 Speaker 1: pro freedom, pro capitalism, and unapologetically pro America, backing those 1716 01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:07,920 Speaker 1: the stand on the thin blue line, celebrating the First Amendment, 1717 01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:12,240 Speaker 1: the Second Amendment, all the amendments, all the amendments. As 1718 01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:16,360 Speaker 1: one Twitter user responded, finally, a financialized decreation company that 1719 01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:19,240 Speaker 1: is pro capitalism. Now. The best thing you can say 1720 01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:21,240 Speaker 1: about the Soule venture is that it collapsed quickly before 1721 01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:23,800 Speaker 1: harming many regular people. Unless than a year, they've blown 1722 01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:26,559 Speaker 1: through their cash, had mass layoffs, mis launch dates, failed 1723 01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:29,200 Speaker 1: to pay vendor invoices, and by all appearances are very 1724 01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:32,240 Speaker 1: close to bankruptcy. The article details failed efforts like an 1725 01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:34,920 Speaker 1: aborted attempt to make a credit card out of the 1726 01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:38,240 Speaker 1: same material as shell casings. Turn down, that material was 1727 01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:40,679 Speaker 1: too thick to fit in an ATM machine and interfered 1728 01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:44,599 Speaker 1: with the security ships anyway. That gun owner's discount plan 1729 01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:47,000 Speaker 1: couldn't launch because the company did not have the cash 1730 01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:50,040 Speaker 1: to back up insurance claims, and their original big investors 1731 01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:53,280 Speaker 1: were not interested in investing anymore, and what increasingly looked 1732 01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:56,680 Speaker 1: like a failed venture. Glorify also wanted to offer insurance 1733 01:26:56,760 --> 01:26:59,840 Speaker 1: coverage to cover legal costs for customers who shoot someone 1734 01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:02,800 Speaker 1: in self defense, but according to the company, the tech 1735 01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:05,759 Speaker 1: to launch that product just wasn't working now. The private 1736 01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:08,599 Speaker 1: equity guy who launched this whole thing insisted on housing 1737 01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:10,760 Speaker 1: the whole venture in his own home, which was a 1738 01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:13,599 Speaker 1: problem because it lacked the necessary security to handle customer's 1739 01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:16,360 Speaker 1: sensitive financial data. And the journal paints a portrait of 1740 01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:20,000 Speaker 1: an erratic founder who drinks heavily and constantly and verbally 1741 01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:23,360 Speaker 1: abuses staff and partners on a regular basis. Well might 1742 01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:26,120 Speaker 1: be a drunken, abusive asshole, but at least he's not woke. 1743 01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:28,840 Speaker 1: Am I right now. The whole thing is literally the 1744 01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:31,400 Speaker 1: right wing version of what Jamie Diamond was doing here 1745 01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:34,320 Speaker 1: in this photograph where he kneeled and support a Black 1746 01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:37,599 Speaker 1: Lives Matter in front of a bank vault. Take all 1747 01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:40,240 Speaker 1: the horrors and immorality of Wall Street, alter it, not 1748 01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:44,120 Speaker 1: one single bit, but give an ideological brand sheen that 1749 01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:47,080 Speaker 1: you hope will snooker customers into thinking you really have 1750 01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:50,120 Speaker 1: their interest at heart. The shell casing's credit card and 1751 01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:53,120 Speaker 1: sloganeering about faith and family, it's all just right wing 1752 01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:56,400 Speaker 1: virtue signaling. It's their version of identity politics. It's the 1753 01:27:56,479 --> 01:27:59,519 Speaker 1: exact same vibes as when Wells Fargo sponsored a Black 1754 01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:02,639 Speaker 1: Lives Matter panel with Deray McKesson, or when Amazon put 1755 01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:05,000 Speaker 1: a Black Lives Matter banner up on their homepage while 1756 01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:07,840 Speaker 1: forcing their actual black and brown workforce into indignity and 1757 01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:11,439 Speaker 1: injury on a daily basis. It makes perfect sense that 1758 01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:14,479 Speaker 1: Glorify would hire a right wing influencer like Candice Owens 1759 01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:17,400 Speaker 1: to persuade their hope for customer base that this new 1760 01:28:17,479 --> 01:28:20,719 Speaker 1: bank was really one of them, was really on their side. 1761 01:28:21,240 --> 01:28:23,519 Speaker 1: When you believe, as liberals and the right does, that 1762 01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:27,160 Speaker 1: societies are driven by individuals. Not by big structures and systems. 1763 01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:30,000 Speaker 1: Becomes easy to imagine just swapping the right people into 1764 01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:32,360 Speaker 1: positions of powers going to fix all your problems. Remember 1765 01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:34,640 Speaker 1: when Hillary Clinton famously said that if we broke up 1766 01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:38,000 Speaker 1: the big banks, it wouldn't end sexism and racism and 1767 01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:40,040 Speaker 1: the neoliberal view of the world which is shared by 1768 01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:43,519 Speaker 1: elite Republicans and elite Democrats. It's the people themselves who 1769 01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:45,840 Speaker 1: are the issue. It's all those white men who need 1770 01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:47,840 Speaker 1: to do better. We don't need unions or to break 1771 01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:49,680 Speaker 1: up the banks. We just need a diversity board and 1772 01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:52,759 Speaker 1: sensitivity training for the right. It's all those woke college 1773 01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:55,679 Speaker 1: guys are screwing everything up. We need anti woke patriots 1774 01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:57,360 Speaker 1: who will own the libs and say that a woman 1775 01:28:57,479 --> 01:28:59,960 Speaker 1: is a woman. That's why when Marco Rubio actually came 1776 01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:02,559 Speaker 1: aunt and limited support of the Amazon union drive investment 1777 01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:05,080 Speaker 1: of Alabama, he didn't make it about unions or corporate 1778 01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:07,960 Speaker 1: power at all. He personalized it to Amazon and the 1779 01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:10,840 Speaker 1: woke HR department that he didn't like, making it clear 1780 01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:13,000 Speaker 1: that the problem was not the disparity between worker and 1781 01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:16,799 Speaker 1: corporate power, just a particular beef with the ideological leanings 1782 01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:21,080 Speaker 1: of some particular executives at Amazon. That view, which focuses 1783 01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:24,000 Speaker 1: on the individual rather than the systems, makes it easy 1784 01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:26,479 Speaker 1: for you to get tricked by identity politics, or culture 1785 01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:29,559 Speaker 1: war or virtue signal plays like this bank. It keeps 1786 01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:32,200 Speaker 1: you at the surface level looking for good and evil people, 1787 01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:34,760 Speaker 1: rather than going deeper to understand the underlying rot that 1788 01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:38,000 Speaker 1: is leading to the terrible outcomes we're experiencing in America today. 1789 01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:41,800 Speaker 1: Imagine thinking that the real problem with Wall Street is 1790 01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:45,200 Speaker 1: some bullshit cultural posturing about from the executive class about 1791 01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:47,880 Speaker 1: the environment or about diversity, and not the way that 1792 01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:50,439 Speaker 1: the whole thing is just a machine for funneling money 1793 01:29:50,479 --> 01:29:53,920 Speaker 1: to the top while miserating the masses. Imagine thinking it's 1794 01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:57,400 Speaker 1: the Wall Street commercials featuring like biracial families that are 1795 01:29:57,439 --> 01:29:59,800 Speaker 1: the real issue here, and not the fact that they 1796 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,240 Speaker 1: porpetrated a mass fraud on the entire world that nearly 1797 01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:07,639 Speaker 1: collapsed the entire global economy. Glorify is the perfect reflection 1798 01:30:08,040 --> 01:30:11,600 Speaker 1: of a Trump administration which invade against global elites, and 1799 01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:15,080 Speaker 1: then Gabe said, global elites a massive tax cut, all 1800 01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:18,519 Speaker 1: will cover it up with nonsense executive orders about patriotic education. 1801 01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:21,800 Speaker 1: The ideal grift for a movement that now pretends to 1802 01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:23,840 Speaker 1: have a critique of elite power centers, whether it's Wall 1803 01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:26,720 Speaker 1: Street or Corporate America, but has an economic policy that 1804 01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:30,519 Speaker 1: is still devoted to being Capital's book bootleguers forever. The 1805 01:30:30,600 --> 01:30:33,320 Speaker 1: story of this bank was so perfect to me, And 1806 01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:36,080 Speaker 1: if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue, 1807 01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:42,519 Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at breakingpoints dot com. All right, sorry, 1808 01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:44,760 Speaker 1: were you looking at Well? The world is on brink 1809 01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:48,040 Speaker 1: of nuclear war. Weirdly enough, it's already the second time 1810 01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:50,360 Speaker 1: in my professional professional life that I've even had to 1811 01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:52,960 Speaker 1: consider it. While the risk of an exchange today may 1812 01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:54,720 Speaker 1: be higher than it was at any time since the 1813 01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:57,760 Speaker 1: Cuban missile crisis, many people seem to have forgotten in 1814 01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:00,839 Speaker 1: earlier nuclear scare that may be able to just some lessons. 1815 01:31:01,160 --> 01:31:04,000 Speaker 1: In twenty seventeen, I became obsessed with the idea of 1816 01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:06,760 Speaker 1: a nuclear war, even in limited in scale. In fact, 1817 01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:08,960 Speaker 1: it's what really ignited my love and interest in World 1818 01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:11,400 Speaker 1: War One, because I was convinced any use of a 1819 01:31:11,479 --> 01:31:13,960 Speaker 1: nuclear weapon of any scale would change the globe in 1820 01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:16,600 Speaker 1: a similar fashion. At that time, Russia Gate was in 1821 01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:18,360 Speaker 1: full swing and would eventually put us on the path 1822 01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:20,800 Speaker 1: to where we are today. But the real scare was 1823 01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:24,479 Speaker 1: North Korea. Try and remember the circumstances. North Korea, the 1824 01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:27,120 Speaker 1: Hermit Kingdom, under the rule of the mysterious and young 1825 01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:30,120 Speaker 1: Kim Jong Un. Jong Un, despite his Western upbringing, had 1826 01:31:30,160 --> 01:31:33,280 Speaker 1: bet the house on development not only of a nuclear weapon, 1827 01:31:33,479 --> 01:31:36,559 Speaker 1: but of an ICBM capable of hitting the United States 1828 01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:40,240 Speaker 1: to fully enshrine mutually assured destruction for the West. In 1829 01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:43,000 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, he got there, and he shocked the world. 1830 01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:47,599 Speaker 1: The Wassong fourteen showed capability to hit California from North Korea, 1831 01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:50,920 Speaker 1: officially elevating the Hermit Kingdom to one where war with 1832 01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:54,120 Speaker 1: them wouldn't just be catastrophic for the Korean peninsula, but 1833 01:31:54,160 --> 01:31:57,280 Speaker 1: would incur millions of deaths here in the United States. 1834 01:31:57,640 --> 01:32:00,479 Speaker 1: And yet this development, like those in the UK today, 1835 01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:04,160 Speaker 1: were dismissed by the Washington foreign policy elite. We had 1836 01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:07,040 Speaker 1: no choice but to continue our policy, which was not 1837 01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:09,800 Speaker 1: only sanctions, but the wholesale cut off of relations and 1838 01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:12,240 Speaker 1: economic ties between North Korea and the rest of the 1839 01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:15,479 Speaker 1: world until we they said they had to abandon Nuke's 1840 01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:19,160 Speaker 1: Barack Obama's Lee, Barack Obama famously, in his last sit 1841 01:32:19,240 --> 01:32:21,559 Speaker 1: down with Donald Trump in the Oval office, told him 1842 01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:24,840 Speaker 1: the biggest problem that Trump would face, probably in office, 1843 01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:28,160 Speaker 1: would be North Korea, and for a time he appeared correct. 1844 01:32:28,439 --> 01:32:31,439 Speaker 1: Trump in those years was completely distracted by russigate and 1845 01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:34,479 Speaker 1: TV ratings. He effectively outsourced all of his foreign policy 1846 01:32:34,520 --> 01:32:37,439 Speaker 1: to the Washington elite. North Korea was no exception. After 1847 01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:41,320 Speaker 1: Kim Jong UN's missile test, he resorted to basically threatening 1848 01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:44,240 Speaker 1: Kim Jong Un with that famous line, fire and fury. 1849 01:32:44,479 --> 01:32:48,880 Speaker 1: Let's relive that in North Korea, best not make any 1850 01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:52,880 Speaker 1: more threats to the United States. They will be met 1851 01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:58,519 Speaker 1: with fire and fury like the world has never seen. 1852 01:33:00,200 --> 01:33:06,040 Speaker 1: Has been very threatening, beyond a normal stammer. And as 1853 01:33:06,120 --> 01:33:09,519 Speaker 1: I said, they will be met with fire, fury, and 1854 01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:13,760 Speaker 1: frankly power, the likes of which this world has never 1855 01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:19,479 Speaker 1: seen before. Fire, fury, and power. North Korea, of course 1856 01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:22,559 Speaker 1: didn't listen. They just fired off even more missiles, including 1857 01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:26,080 Speaker 1: one into the Japanese Economic Zone, making it clear they 1858 01:33:26,120 --> 01:33:29,320 Speaker 1: would continue until the status quo changed, either the West 1859 01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:31,680 Speaker 1: and the rest of the Asian nations remove sanctions on them, 1860 01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:34,120 Speaker 1: which were threatening to collapse. The Kim regime and push 1861 01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:37,599 Speaker 1: them further into starvation or nuclear war. At the very least, 1862 01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:40,320 Speaker 1: an incident sparked by a nuclear test or missile launch 1863 01:33:40,439 --> 01:33:43,280 Speaker 1: would put us on the verge of a catastrophic war 1864 01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:46,200 Speaker 1: in Asia. This already has happened on a similar scale. 1865 01:33:46,439 --> 01:33:48,920 Speaker 1: North Korea has shelled islands and even sank a South 1866 01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:52,040 Speaker 1: Korean submarine. They're reckless. They are comfortable with death and 1867 01:33:52,120 --> 01:33:55,080 Speaker 1: with taking risky maneuvers when their backs are literally up 1868 01:33:55,120 --> 01:33:57,760 Speaker 1: against the wall. Adding nukes to the equation made the 1869 01:33:57,800 --> 01:34:00,960 Speaker 1: stakes existential for the rest of US while it already 1870 01:34:01,160 --> 01:34:04,800 Speaker 1: was for them. And yet Washington did not budge on 1871 01:34:04,840 --> 01:34:07,800 Speaker 1: the nuclear question. To them, it made no sense to 1872 01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:10,840 Speaker 1: change our policy at all. The idea that Kim Jong 1873 01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:14,360 Speaker 1: UN's newly afforded nuclear status gave him the ability to 1874 01:34:14,479 --> 01:34:17,680 Speaker 1: basically blackmailed the US and other Western powers to the 1875 01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:21,160 Speaker 1: negotiating table was too much to bear. The alternative of 1876 01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:24,839 Speaker 1: risking not only tens of thousands of American troops stationed 1877 01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:27,680 Speaker 1: in Korea, but tens of millions of lives in California 1878 01:34:28,040 --> 01:34:31,280 Speaker 1: was an acceptable risk, they said, to accept the already 1879 01:34:31,400 --> 01:34:35,719 Speaker 1: established reality that North Korea has nuclear weapons. Yet Trump 1880 01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:38,360 Speaker 1: then shocked the world, and he made what I believe 1881 01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:39,640 Speaker 1: to be one of the best things he ever did 1882 01:34:39,680 --> 01:34:42,160 Speaker 1: in his presidency. He just said, you know what, enough, 1883 01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:44,479 Speaker 1: I'm just going to go meet the guy. The Singapore 1884 01:34:44,479 --> 01:34:47,960 Speaker 1: Summit in June of twenty eighteen honestly did not accomplish anything, 1885 01:34:48,280 --> 01:34:51,600 Speaker 1: but it shocked and changed the situation so much that 1886 01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:54,840 Speaker 1: basically up until just in the last week, we saw 1887 01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:57,599 Speaker 1: a total and complete change in relations between the Kim 1888 01:34:57,680 --> 01:35:01,719 Speaker 1: regime and Washington. Missiletep subsided for the most part. Trump 1889 01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:04,479 Speaker 1: even set foot in North Korea at the DMZ, shook 1890 01:35:04,520 --> 01:35:07,080 Speaker 1: hands with Kim, the leader of South Korea, met with Kim. 1891 01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:11,439 Speaker 1: Completely new era of relations was sparked. Yet here in Washington, 1892 01:35:11,479 --> 01:35:14,240 Speaker 1: his meeting was met with scorn disgust. They said, to 1893 01:35:14,320 --> 01:35:17,400 Speaker 1: meeting with a dictator and a murderer like Kim gross 1894 01:35:17,479 --> 01:35:20,040 Speaker 1: to give in to blackmail. I still maintain it's one 1895 01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:22,360 Speaker 1: of the most genius things that Trump ever did, and 1896 01:35:22,479 --> 01:35:25,760 Speaker 1: implicit was acknowledging a grim reality. We may not want 1897 01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:28,200 Speaker 1: North Korea to have nukes, but after they literally have 1898 01:35:28,360 --> 01:35:30,920 Speaker 1: one and the capability to bomb us. That's just how 1899 01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:33,760 Speaker 1: it is in almost every negotiation where the US is 1900 01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:35,840 Speaker 1: asked North Korea to give up its nukes. They say 1901 01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:38,719 Speaker 1: the exact same thing. Well, Gaddafi gave up his nukes. 1902 01:35:38,840 --> 01:35:41,720 Speaker 1: Look what you did to him. I mean, can you 1903 01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:45,120 Speaker 1: argue with that one. Unfortunately, after Trump was defeated, the 1904 01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:48,280 Speaker 1: Biden administration, though, has reverted back to the exact same policy, 1905 01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:50,840 Speaker 1: and lo and behold, we are now having the exact 1906 01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:53,960 Speaker 1: same problem. North Korea just days ago launched a medium 1907 01:35:54,040 --> 01:35:56,760 Speaker 1: range ballistic missile over Japan, scaring the hell out of 1908 01:35:56,800 --> 01:35:59,560 Speaker 1: the population and raising the stakes, reminding the West and 1909 01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:03,080 Speaker 1: the world, hey, we exist. Those sanctions still suck, and 1910 01:36:03,439 --> 01:36:05,760 Speaker 1: you stop talking to us. So what lessons can we 1911 01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:08,479 Speaker 1: learn from this? To me, it's about checking the hubrist 1912 01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:11,479 Speaker 1: of Washington. Sure, we might want a world where North 1913 01:36:11,560 --> 01:36:13,720 Speaker 1: Korea does not have nuclear weapons, but we cannot do 1914 01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:15,920 Speaker 1: a damn thing about that. At this point, we have 1915 01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:19,000 Speaker 1: to talk to them and acknowledge their status, because we're 1916 01:36:19,040 --> 01:36:22,280 Speaker 1: putting America on the line, not to mention our sworn treaty. 1917 01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:25,120 Speaker 1: Allies in Soul and in Tokyo's allies, by the way, 1918 01:36:25,160 --> 01:36:26,559 Speaker 1: who are a hell of a lot better and more 1919 01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:28,640 Speaker 1: important than Eastern Europe, and a hell of a lot 1920 01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:32,040 Speaker 1: more important to the global economy, pretending and wishing does 1921 01:36:32,120 --> 01:36:35,840 Speaker 1: not do anything. Second is that nuclear status is just 1922 01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:38,920 Speaker 1: simply different. It compels weighing risks and giving in on 1923 01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:42,120 Speaker 1: things that we may really, really really not want to 1924 01:36:42,439 --> 01:36:46,320 Speaker 1: because the alternative is unthinkable. The North Korea situation, the 1925 01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:49,400 Speaker 1: statesmanship of the Trump administration, and the reversion to brain 1926 01:36:49,439 --> 01:36:52,080 Speaker 1: dead thinking is a mirror image of what is going 1927 01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:55,000 Speaker 1: on in Ukraine. If we lock into the Washington assumption 1928 01:36:55,120 --> 01:36:57,040 Speaker 1: in Ukraine in the same way that we are on 1929 01:36:57,120 --> 01:36:59,680 Speaker 1: the same path to an inevitable war that we were 1930 01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:03,400 Speaker 1: with in North Korea in twenty seventeen, except now with Russia, 1931 01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:07,400 Speaker 1: who is a thousand times more powerful. Creative thinking and 1932 01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:10,720 Speaker 1: willingness to challenge assumptions that carry the obvious risk of 1933 01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:15,240 Speaker 1: war are vitally important. We see absolutely none of this 1934 01:37:15,360 --> 01:37:19,280 Speaker 1: in Washington today across either party. Biden, the Republicans and 1935 01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:22,360 Speaker 1: more are so committed to the current strategy a nuclear 1936 01:37:22,360 --> 01:37:25,320 Speaker 1: exchange with Russia seems not only a possibility, but frankly 1937 01:37:25,439 --> 01:37:28,320 Speaker 1: the most likely outcome on a long enough timescale. In Ukraine, 1938 01:37:28,720 --> 01:37:30,920 Speaker 1: perhaps it is possible a Trump style figure or even 1939 01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:33,639 Speaker 1: Trump himself will shake things up, but as the North 1940 01:37:33,720 --> 01:37:37,640 Speaker 1: Korea situation shows unless you follow through or sustain your 1941 01:37:37,680 --> 01:37:40,840 Speaker 1: game changing moon move, reversion to the mean is the 1942 01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:43,200 Speaker 1: most likely scenario. I think there's a lot we can 1943 01:37:43,280 --> 01:37:44,960 Speaker 1: learn from North Korea. Christ And if you want to 1944 01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:48,560 Speaker 1: hear my reaction to Sager's monologue, become a premium subscriber 1945 01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:54,360 Speaker 1: today at Breakingpoints dot com. So, as you all know, 1946 01:37:54,760 --> 01:37:58,360 Speaker 1: OPEK Plus, led by Saudi Arabia, has decided to significantly 1947 01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:01,479 Speaker 1: cut production of oil. That means that prices are going 1948 01:38:01,560 --> 01:38:03,040 Speaker 1: to go up for you at the gas pump. That 1949 01:38:03,160 --> 01:38:05,160 Speaker 1: means that Russia is going to continue to get more 1950 01:38:05,200 --> 01:38:07,200 Speaker 1: oil revenue, and also is great for the Saudis in 1951 01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:09,719 Speaker 1: terms of jacking up prices and what they are able 1952 01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:12,839 Speaker 1: to extract. Also very bad for CHOPID and the Democrats 1953 01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:15,040 Speaker 1: in terms of the mid term elections. Well, we have 1954 01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:17,840 Speaker 1: joining us now one of the lawmakers, Representative Rocana, who 1955 01:38:17,880 --> 01:38:20,240 Speaker 1: has really been leading the charge in how we should 1956 01:38:20,280 --> 01:38:22,559 Speaker 1: respond to the Saudis. And it's great to see you, Congressman. 1957 01:38:22,640 --> 01:38:25,719 Speaker 1: Great to be back on Yeah. Absolutely, So you penned 1958 01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:28,479 Speaker 1: an op ed with Centaer Richard Blumenfaula. Let's go ahead 1959 01:38:28,479 --> 01:38:30,120 Speaker 1: and put this up on the screen. We have it here, 1960 01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:33,280 Speaker 1: You say, the best way to respond to Saudi Arabia's 1961 01:38:33,360 --> 01:38:36,160 Speaker 1: embrace of Putin, and let me read the lead paragraph 1962 01:38:36,200 --> 01:38:38,160 Speaker 1: and then you can elaborate. You say, this week, Saudi 1963 01:38:38,200 --> 01:38:40,960 Speaker 1: Arabia colluded with Russia, deciding to cut two million barrels 1964 01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:42,960 Speaker 1: a day of oil production at the OPEC Plus meeting, 1965 01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:46,040 Speaker 1: thus raising the price of gas to Russia's advantage. The 1966 01:38:46,160 --> 01:38:49,640 Speaker 1: shocking move will worsen global inflation, undermine successful efforts in 1967 01:38:49,640 --> 01:38:51,080 Speaker 1: the US to bring down the price of gas, and 1968 01:38:51,160 --> 01:38:55,600 Speaker 1: help fuel Putin's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine. So what Congressman, 1969 01:38:55,640 --> 01:38:57,560 Speaker 1: do you think that we should do in response to this. 1970 01:38:58,400 --> 01:39:01,439 Speaker 1: Let's just go over some facts. Criticize big oil, but 1971 01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:04,960 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia makes big oil look like saints. They are 1972 01:39:05,080 --> 01:39:08,759 Speaker 1: making seventy percent profit margins on their barrel of Wales. 1973 01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:11,320 Speaker 1: They made one hundred billion dollars in twenty twenty two. 1974 01:39:11,439 --> 01:39:14,040 Speaker 1: You know who's not making Money's Putin because he's selling 1975 01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:16,760 Speaker 1: it at a thirty five dollars discount to China and 1976 01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:20,400 Speaker 1: India and other countries. So he pressured the Saudis to 1977 01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:24,760 Speaker 1: keep these prices artificially high. Now they we have done 1978 01:39:24,840 --> 01:39:27,720 Speaker 1: so much for Saudi We give them seventy percent of 1979 01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:30,080 Speaker 1: their weapons, we have more defense initiatives. We need to 1980 01:39:30,120 --> 01:39:32,280 Speaker 1: stop all of that. It's not complicated. We need to 1981 01:39:32,320 --> 01:39:35,120 Speaker 1: stop all of that. We have tremendous leverage. So the 1982 01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:37,639 Speaker 1: President was asked about your legislation. He says that he's 1983 01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:41,560 Speaker 1: going to be reevaluating Saudi relationship. John Kirby reiterated that 1984 01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:44,040 Speaker 1: what confidence do you have here that the President of 1985 01:39:44,080 --> 01:39:46,400 Speaker 1: the administration are they taking a listen to your legislation 1986 01:39:46,640 --> 01:39:49,520 Speaker 1: like we saw Senator and covered here, Senator Bob Menendez, 1987 01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:53,320 Speaker 1: is institutional Washington paying attention to this. They are, I mean, 1988 01:39:53,400 --> 01:39:56,360 Speaker 1: Senator Menendez coming out was a big deal. But look, 1989 01:39:56,400 --> 01:39:59,200 Speaker 1: there are a lot of powerful interests at stake here. 1990 01:39:59,240 --> 01:40:01,000 Speaker 1: I mean, there are a lot of fence contractors that 1991 01:40:01,080 --> 01:40:04,120 Speaker 1: have business in the South with the saudiast. There's been 1992 01:40:04,200 --> 01:40:07,439 Speaker 1: forty years of relationships. There's a lot of lobbyists that 1993 01:40:07,560 --> 01:40:11,200 Speaker 1: the Saudis have, So it's not an easy easy road. 1994 01:40:11,240 --> 01:40:14,560 Speaker 1: When we passed the War Powers Resolution after Kushogi, that 1995 01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:18,240 Speaker 1: was difficult. But this time, I think the ingratitude really 1996 01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:22,160 Speaker 1: has struck lawmakers. Democrats obviously being vocal about it, but 1997 01:40:22,280 --> 01:40:25,680 Speaker 1: even behind the scenes Republicans saying this is unacceptable, they 1998 01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:28,960 Speaker 1: may not say anything till after the midterms. Can you 1999 01:40:29,080 --> 01:40:32,200 Speaker 1: explain for people why it would be so significant if 2000 01:40:32,240 --> 01:40:35,559 Speaker 1: we completely halted arm sales to Saudi Well, first of all, 2001 01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:38,680 Speaker 1: they couldn't fly their planes without US technicians. I mean, 2002 01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:42,320 Speaker 1: that's just factual. They have US technicians to fly their 2003 01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:44,519 Speaker 1: air force, so it would ground the Saudi Air Force 2004 01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:47,680 Speaker 1: to a halt. Second, they say, well, well, we'll look 2005 01:40:47,720 --> 01:40:50,679 Speaker 1: at China or Russia, they can't. It would take five 2006 01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:53,760 Speaker 1: ten years for them to actually get those arms, so 2007 01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:58,000 Speaker 1: they would not have a military response, and that they 2008 01:40:58,040 --> 01:41:01,200 Speaker 1: will blink. I mean, we have never threatened to stop 2009 01:41:01,320 --> 01:41:04,759 Speaker 1: the technicians, to stop the arm cells. And between twenty 2010 01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:07,320 Speaker 1: seventeen and twenty twenty, look at it. We have more 2011 01:41:07,400 --> 01:41:10,840 Speaker 1: defense agreements, defense initiatives with the Saudis than probably almost 2012 01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:13,040 Speaker 1: any other ally and a lot of it's being produced, 2013 01:41:13,080 --> 01:41:15,479 Speaker 1: creating jobs in Saudi Arabia, not here. Yeah, I mean 2014 01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:19,400 Speaker 1: the president of the UAE, even after this congressman still 2015 01:41:19,439 --> 01:41:22,040 Speaker 1: went to go meet with Putin with I find extraordinary. 2016 01:41:22,080 --> 01:41:24,120 Speaker 1: So like literally the next next day he was like 2017 01:41:24,280 --> 01:41:25,680 Speaker 1: I'm still going and He's like I'm going to go 2018 01:41:26,120 --> 01:41:29,120 Speaker 1: with Putin. I mean, they're the golf clearly doesn't take 2019 01:41:29,160 --> 01:41:32,560 Speaker 1: this threat seriously, or at least not yet. Is with 2020 01:41:32,720 --> 01:41:36,200 Speaker 1: this legislation, how quickly do you think that they would respond? 2021 01:41:36,280 --> 01:41:39,599 Speaker 1: Would they pay attention? Is ri Odd in effect taking 2022 01:41:39,720 --> 01:41:43,400 Speaker 1: this legislation and this initiative seriously this conversation. They are 2023 01:41:43,479 --> 01:41:45,479 Speaker 1: a MBS who is the leader of UAE has a 2024 01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:50,120 Speaker 1: rivalry with the MBZ of the Saudis, So they're competing 2025 01:41:50,200 --> 01:41:53,160 Speaker 1: for Putin's attention, which should send a message the United 2026 01:41:53,200 --> 01:41:55,640 Speaker 1: States that we need to be more serious here. They 2027 01:41:55,680 --> 01:41:58,600 Speaker 1: would take it very, very seriously if the President just 2028 01:41:58,680 --> 01:42:01,920 Speaker 1: takes some action, if he doesn't want to suspend all 2029 01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:04,880 Speaker 1: the arm seals, at least pause the Patriot missile sales 2030 01:42:04,920 --> 01:42:07,640 Speaker 1: that are impending, make sure that you're not going to 2031 01:42:07,680 --> 01:42:10,880 Speaker 1: send technicians. But there has to be a consequence, and 2032 01:42:10,920 --> 01:42:12,800 Speaker 1: the consequence can't just be we're going to stop the 2033 01:42:12,920 --> 01:42:16,680 Speaker 1: talks or we're going to do something diplomat diplomatically that 2034 01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:18,840 Speaker 1: needs to be real teeth. They obviously don't care about that. 2035 01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:21,519 Speaker 1: I mean, have you had an engagement with the President 2036 01:42:21,680 --> 01:42:24,320 Speaker 1: or anybody right around him about your initiative here? I have, 2037 01:42:24,560 --> 01:42:27,439 Speaker 1: I mean, Kendaday, I've spoken to Jake Sullivan, I've spoken 2038 01:42:27,520 --> 01:42:31,680 Speaker 1: to others that Blumenthal has. They've assured us that they can, 2039 01:42:32,280 --> 01:42:35,200 Speaker 1: they will do something significant. They don't need Congress. I mean, 2040 01:42:35,280 --> 01:42:37,560 Speaker 1: Congress can compel them to do it. They have the 2041 01:42:37,640 --> 01:42:40,800 Speaker 1: power to do it themselves. And what I've said is 2042 01:42:40,880 --> 01:42:43,960 Speaker 1: that the new generation in Congress, we don't have this 2043 01:42:44,120 --> 01:42:46,799 Speaker 1: forty year history with the Saudis. We see the Saudis 2044 01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:50,040 Speaker 1: as being responsible for the brutal war in Yemen, the 2045 01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:54,799 Speaker 1: biggest humanitarian crisis before Ukraine, and we see them fleecing 2046 01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:57,960 Speaker 1: the American public at the pump, and there's outrage. And 2047 01:42:58,080 --> 01:43:01,040 Speaker 1: so if the Saudis care about their long term relationship 2048 01:43:01,280 --> 01:43:03,559 Speaker 1: on the Hill, they need to reverse the decision. Well 2049 01:43:03,640 --> 01:43:05,559 Speaker 1: it's interesting you point to that, because I mean, there 2050 01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:09,640 Speaker 1: has been for decades, you know, the sort of like bipartisan, 2051 01:43:10,120 --> 01:43:13,559 Speaker 1: unified approach to the Saudis, giving them basically whatever they 2052 01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:15,519 Speaker 1: want and having this sort of you know, back and 2053 01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:18,000 Speaker 1: forth deal. And it seems to be part of what 2054 01:43:18,160 --> 01:43:20,280 Speaker 1: has snapped and broken here is the sense that the 2055 01:43:20,360 --> 01:43:23,880 Speaker 1: Saudis have picked partisan sides that they prefer Donald Trump, 2056 01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:26,599 Speaker 1: and they prefer the Republicans, and they're happy to jack 2057 01:43:26,680 --> 01:43:29,519 Speaker 1: up gas prices right before the midterm elections. And so 2058 01:43:29,800 --> 01:43:32,519 Speaker 1: it seems to me like part of the you know, 2059 01:43:32,680 --> 01:43:37,240 Speaker 1: really quite unprecedented response from Democrats here, including specifically Senator Menendez, 2060 01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:39,960 Speaker 1: is this sense that the Saudis have decided to be 2061 01:43:40,280 --> 01:43:43,479 Speaker 1: partisan actors and effectively interfere in our elections. Chris, I 2062 01:43:43,560 --> 01:43:46,240 Speaker 1: agree with you. I think the partisanship, the timing of 2063 01:43:46,360 --> 01:43:49,960 Speaker 1: it has upset people like Senator Menendez, and also the 2064 01:43:50,120 --> 01:43:54,240 Speaker 1: alignance with Putin that is quite unprecedented. I mean, the 2065 01:43:54,320 --> 01:43:57,880 Speaker 1: Saudis were our allies precisely during the Cold War because 2066 01:43:57,920 --> 01:44:00,479 Speaker 1: they were seen against Russia. They held us with the 2067 01:44:00,560 --> 01:44:04,800 Speaker 1: Mujadeen in Afghanistan, and now it's coming full circle that 2068 01:44:04,880 --> 01:44:09,840 Speaker 1: they're actually supporting Putin. So they are really miscalculating here. 2069 01:44:10,439 --> 01:44:12,599 Speaker 1: But we need decisive action. I think the President needs 2070 01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:15,040 Speaker 1: to have a prime time speech and he needs to say, 2071 01:44:15,160 --> 01:44:17,240 Speaker 1: you know why you're paying more than four bucks at 2072 01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:20,320 Speaker 1: the pump? Six fifty in my district, but four bucks, Yeah, 2073 01:44:20,360 --> 01:44:23,040 Speaker 1: it's crazy. I mean it's a big it's a big deal, 2074 01:44:23,280 --> 01:44:25,680 Speaker 1: and it's a big deal for November. One of the 2075 01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:28,439 Speaker 1: reasons is big oil that is making all these profits. 2076 01:44:28,600 --> 01:44:31,200 Speaker 1: And the other reason is the Saudis, And here's what 2077 01:44:31,280 --> 01:44:34,200 Speaker 1: we're going to do with the Saudis and lay it out. 2078 01:44:34,360 --> 01:44:38,400 Speaker 1: But it can't just be considering in press conferences. There 2079 01:44:38,439 --> 01:44:40,439 Speaker 1: needs to be decisive action. How do we put this 2080 01:44:40,520 --> 01:44:42,479 Speaker 1: in the context of the president's trip. What were your 2081 01:44:42,520 --> 01:44:44,519 Speaker 1: thoughts on the president's trip there to Saudi Arabia? Like 2082 01:44:44,640 --> 01:44:46,320 Speaker 1: was it the right move? I mean, clearly didn't work, 2083 01:44:46,520 --> 01:44:49,720 Speaker 1: So like, I why should they take it seriously? They're like, look, 2084 01:44:49,760 --> 01:44:51,920 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, he's still he came here. 2085 01:44:52,200 --> 01:44:54,160 Speaker 1: He's like, we could spit in his face. I mean, 2086 01:44:54,240 --> 01:44:56,639 Speaker 1: at this point, why should they take Biden's threat seriously 2087 01:44:56,680 --> 01:44:58,120 Speaker 1: when he said he was going to make Saudi the 2088 01:44:58,200 --> 01:45:00,640 Speaker 1: pride of the world and still bent the knee to 2089 01:45:00,800 --> 01:45:02,840 Speaker 1: MBS in a way by going over there and shaking 2090 01:45:02,840 --> 01:45:06,880 Speaker 1: his hand, giving fist bump. Yeah, Sarger, I mean Senator 2091 01:45:06,960 --> 01:45:09,800 Speaker 1: Sanders and I opposed the trip at the time. Yeah, 2092 01:45:09,880 --> 01:45:13,080 Speaker 1: Now you know, Monday morning quarterback is either I'm not 2093 01:45:13,160 --> 01:45:15,880 Speaker 1: saying that, Oh, we were right and the administration made 2094 01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:19,720 Speaker 1: a miscalculation. We didn't think that it was worth legitimizing 2095 01:45:19,840 --> 01:45:22,680 Speaker 1: MBS given what was going on in Yemen. They went, 2096 01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:24,320 Speaker 1: they thought they were going to be able to convince 2097 01:45:24,360 --> 01:45:28,320 Speaker 1: them for increased production and other considerations, and that obviously 2098 01:45:28,520 --> 01:45:31,120 Speaker 1: did not work out. So this was a slap on 2099 01:45:31,200 --> 01:45:33,640 Speaker 1: the President's face. I don't blame them. I mean, I 2100 01:45:33,720 --> 01:45:36,080 Speaker 1: disagreed with the strategy. I don't blame them for doing that. 2101 01:45:36,240 --> 01:45:39,080 Speaker 1: They had their strategy, but now that it didn't work, 2102 01:45:39,560 --> 01:45:43,000 Speaker 1: they need to be take decisive action or it would 2103 01:45:43,040 --> 01:45:46,200 Speaker 1: look like you can push around the United States. Another 2104 01:45:46,280 --> 01:45:49,360 Speaker 1: thing that's floated that frankly I don't totally understand the 2105 01:45:49,439 --> 01:45:52,760 Speaker 1: mechanics of is this. It's called the Nopeck Bill, which 2106 01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:55,360 Speaker 1: would be the idea that we basically lift the protections 2107 01:45:55,439 --> 01:45:57,880 Speaker 1: that Opek, which is a cartel, has had to block 2108 01:45:57,960 --> 01:46:00,599 Speaker 1: them from being from being subjected to sort of anti 2109 01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:03,559 Speaker 1: trust legislation. What do you make of that approach? Can 2110 01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:05,760 Speaker 1: you help me understand the mechanics of exactly how that 2111 01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:07,760 Speaker 1: would work? And do you think that that would be 2112 01:46:08,080 --> 01:46:12,400 Speaker 1: a significant reaction to what the Saudis have done here? Yes, 2113 01:46:13,000 --> 01:46:15,439 Speaker 1: not enough, but we should do it. Let me explain 2114 01:46:15,560 --> 01:46:18,320 Speaker 1: it simply if I can. Yeah, you know how big 2115 01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:20,960 Speaker 1: oil is making twenty thirty billion dollars of profits ex 2116 01:46:21,120 --> 01:46:24,080 Speaker 1: on Chevron. Well, the Saudis are making a lot more. 2117 01:46:24,360 --> 01:46:27,000 Speaker 1: They're making one hundred billion, and one Nopek would say 2118 01:46:27,120 --> 01:46:31,160 Speaker 1: is they a ramco and the Saudi oil producing are 2119 01:46:31,160 --> 01:46:34,519 Speaker 1: a monopoly. They shouldn't be allowed to make seventy percent 2120 01:46:34,880 --> 01:46:38,400 Speaker 1: profit margins. And you could sue them in US federal 2121 01:46:38,560 --> 01:46:42,160 Speaker 1: court for their anti trust violations for these excessive profits. 2122 01:46:42,280 --> 01:46:44,559 Speaker 1: Right now, you can't sue them for the anti trust 2123 01:46:44,600 --> 01:46:47,639 Speaker 1: prices because they have immunity by our law. It would 2124 01:46:47,640 --> 01:46:51,759 Speaker 1: take away that immunity. So it's a long term, necessary solution. 2125 01:46:52,080 --> 01:46:53,840 Speaker 1: It's not going to do anything for the price at 2126 01:46:53,880 --> 01:46:56,439 Speaker 1: the pump tomorrow or in the next few months. The 2127 01:46:56,520 --> 01:46:58,720 Speaker 1: only thing they can do anything is for them to 2128 01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:02,920 Speaker 1: reverse their decision or reconsider their decision. I reshed out 2129 01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:06,559 Speaker 1: to Rema, the Saudi ambassador. I've known her. She's much 2130 01:47:06,600 --> 01:47:11,080 Speaker 1: better than MBS. I mean, if I've put her in charge. No, no, 2131 01:47:11,160 --> 01:47:14,200 Speaker 1: I mean, and she's actually she's actually more reasonable now 2132 01:47:14,280 --> 01:47:17,360 Speaker 1: she reports to MBS and that's the problem. But she 2133 01:47:17,560 --> 01:47:21,440 Speaker 1: needs to get the temperature on the hill. There's a disconnect. 2134 01:47:21,520 --> 01:47:25,880 Speaker 1: They're used to what the relationship was under Trump perhaps 2135 01:47:25,960 --> 01:47:28,240 Speaker 1: and forty years ago. They don't get in now. So 2136 01:47:28,439 --> 01:47:30,720 Speaker 1: how much support do you have right now for your 2137 01:47:30,800 --> 01:47:34,320 Speaker 1: bill to hold arm sales altogether? Are there any I 2138 01:47:34,360 --> 01:47:36,720 Speaker 1: know you said Republicans behind the scenes will say, we're 2139 01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:38,360 Speaker 1: kind of support you. But do you think that you 2140 01:47:38,400 --> 01:47:41,120 Speaker 1: would have any bipartisan support. We will, but not before 2141 01:47:41,160 --> 01:47:44,480 Speaker 1: the election. Candidly, I mean we will. We have democratic 2142 01:47:44,520 --> 01:47:48,000 Speaker 1: support before the election. I think the Republicans, you know, 2143 01:47:48,080 --> 01:47:51,920 Speaker 1: they're not going to do anything to help out as 2144 01:47:52,040 --> 01:47:54,960 Speaker 1: how they see it, but behind the scenes they will support. 2145 01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:58,000 Speaker 1: And I actually think that the Blumenthal bill in my 2146 01:47:58,160 --> 01:48:01,240 Speaker 1: bill has a good chance of passing some version of it. Well, 2147 01:48:01,240 --> 01:48:03,040 Speaker 1: I would hope to see that. And just finally, you 2148 01:48:03,160 --> 01:48:05,280 Speaker 1: alluded to this in your district six fifty a gallon? 2149 01:48:05,600 --> 01:48:07,360 Speaker 1: How much do you hear about this from your constituents? 2150 01:48:07,479 --> 01:48:09,320 Speaker 1: Like alarms of the pain a lot? I mean, the 2151 01:48:09,560 --> 01:48:13,240 Speaker 1: prices are up, the inflation report wasn't great today. We 2152 01:48:13,479 --> 01:48:16,920 Speaker 1: have to be realistic. This is what's on people's minds first, 2153 01:48:17,240 --> 01:48:19,479 Speaker 1: top of mind, and we have to have a real plan, 2154 01:48:19,640 --> 01:48:23,120 Speaker 1: and it starts with going after the Saudias and Opek. Well, 2155 01:48:23,160 --> 01:48:24,840 Speaker 1: I'm really I've been waiting a long time to see 2156 01:48:24,880 --> 01:48:27,120 Speaker 1: somebody introduce legislation like this, So I just want to 2157 01:48:27,120 --> 01:48:29,000 Speaker 1: say I appreciate it, and we thank you for joining us. Sir, 2158 01:48:29,080 --> 01:48:31,800 Speaker 1: Thank appreci it, Thank you absolutely, thanks so much for watching. 2159 01:48:31,800 --> 01:48:34,200 Speaker 1: We'll see you guys in Chicago and enjoy counterpoints