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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, killer attorney Alex Murdog. Retrial

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Speaker 1: odds are skyrocketing Vegas rushing to take bets there will

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Speaker 1: be a new trial for Alex Murdog. I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: After all that, that long and tortuous trial, the investigations,

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Speaker 1: the twists, the turns, the cross exams. Alex Murdog on

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Speaker 1: the stand line through his teeth, crying. Now the odds

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Speaker 1: are soaring that Alex Murdog will have a new trial.

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Speaker 1: That all starts here. Listen one forty seven, Mosaille Roads.

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Speaker 1: I need to comic.

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Speaker 2: My wife at top gop badness.

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Speaker 3: I here fel on the line.

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Speaker 2: I'm still here, okay, Colin, I am an Alex Murdock

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Speaker 2: on the line caller from forty one forty seven, the

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Speaker 2: rules either losing that his.

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Speaker 4: Wife's aunt child was shot.

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Speaker 5: Forty one forty seven, Moaille Roade.

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Speaker 4: I'll get up through it now.

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Speaker 6: It's bast Okay, so they.

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Speaker 2: Shut they shouldn't shot.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, hell, so.

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Speaker 2: I bad in, you know, ma'am Okay anything. My wife

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Speaker 7: Had a nile no man baron ground out at my

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Speaker 7: panels when you got into.

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Speaker 2: Bed and shot really bad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're on the ground, not by the kettles, shot

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Speaker 1: really back because I just shot him apstead. I say

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Speaker 1: that with me in All Star Panel to make sense

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Speaker 1: of what is happening right now, how does it go

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Speaker 1: from that guilty verdict to the judge on the bench

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Speaker 1: trying to make a determination whether there has been jury misconduct?

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Speaker 8: Listen, I simply do not believe that the authority of

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Speaker 8: amsiar comana Supreme Court requires a new trial in a

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Speaker 8: very lengthy trial such as this on the strength of

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Speaker 8: some fleeting and foolish comments by a publicity influenced clerk

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Speaker 8: of court. This is a matter within the discretion of

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Speaker 8: the trial juge, and I am the trial judge.

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Speaker 1: At this moment.

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Speaker 8: I do not feel that I abuse my discretion when

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Speaker 8: I find the defendant's motion for a new trial on

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Speaker 8: the factual record before me must be denied. And it

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Speaker 8: do is so order that was judge told.

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Speaker 1: So how are we right here right now with me

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Speaker 1: and All Star Panel to make sense of what we

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Speaker 1: are learning as we go to air tonight? Straight out

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Speaker 1: to Jennifer Wood, director of research at Fitznews Dot com

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Speaker 1: who threw out the investigation and the trial was breaking

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Speaker 1: news left and right about Alex Murdoch. And I'm pretty

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Speaker 1: sure you got a lot more breaking news about Alex Murdock,

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Speaker 1: including wife Maggie's jewelry mysteriously going missing, and a whole

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Speaker 1: lot more. But how in the hey are we here now, Jennifer?

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Speaker 1: Is it true that the South Carolina Supreme Court has

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Speaker 1: just said, yeah, I know what the judge just said,

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Speaker 1: but we want to hear Alex Murdoch's lawyers argument just

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Speaker 1: in case has this happened.

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Speaker 4: They have not heard the argument yet, but on December twelfth,

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Speaker 4: his attorneys did file their official appeal with the South

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Speaker 4: Carolina Supreme Court. So it's going to be very interesting.

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Speaker 4: We're right now awaiting the Attorney General's response to that appeal,

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Speaker 4: which I believe is coming beginning of March.

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Speaker 1: Well, there, of course, Jennifer, when I can tell you

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Speaker 1: this right now, the state's attorney general is trying to

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Speaker 1: hold that conviction. I wrote most of the appellate briefs

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Speaker 1: on murder cases I tried, but the murder cases the

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Speaker 1: age would also write an emica's curity brief Friend of

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Speaker 1: the Court to Bolster to go along with to partner

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Speaker 1: with my brief. So I guarantee you the States brief

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Speaker 1: what they want is going to be in tandem with

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Speaker 1: the prosecution brief. They don't want this case heard by

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Speaker 1: the South Carolina Supreme Court. But what I'm asking you, Jennifer,

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Speaker 1: isn't it true that the South Carolina Supreme Court has

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Speaker 1: given Murdock's defense the okay to file briefs they want

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Speaker 1: consider it, they have they want to consider it, okay,

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Speaker 1: joining me again an all star panel. Regina Ward is

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Speaker 1: a high profile lawyer, criminal defense attorney there in this

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Speaker 1: jurisdiction of South Carolina. And so it begins Alex murdog

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Speaker 1: is headed for a new trial because the Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: did not have to say, yeah, I'll hear your argument.

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Speaker 1: That is a big indicator of Regina of what the

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Speaker 9: But the brief that they filed, there were many, many

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Speaker 9: more issues there. I think it was like one hundred

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Speaker 9: so there's more just this issue.

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Speaker 1: Of course, there were going on two hundred points raised

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Speaker 1: there are Do they amount to a hill of beans?

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Speaker 1: Probably not, But of course they're going to raise every

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Speaker 1: possible issue. But the South Carolina Supreme Court is limited

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Speaker 1: to the facts in the transcript. If they are arguing

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Speaker 1: the appellate court. They are hearing legal issues. This is

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Speaker 1: what I think will likely be the single strongest case

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Speaker 1: for Alex Murlou to get a new trial. And it

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Speaker 1: all goes back. I never thought I'd have to say

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Speaker 1: these words again to the Egg lady. Take a listen

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Speaker 1: to her being questioned by the court.

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Speaker 8: Was your verdict based entirely on the testimony, evidence, and

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Speaker 8: law presented to you in this case?

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Speaker 1: Yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 8: Did you hear Missus Becky Hill make any comment about

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Speaker 1: Before your verdict?

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Speaker 8: If yes, didn't, Missus heels say.

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Speaker 1: To watch his actions, to watch his actions, what else?

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Speaker 1: To watch him closely?

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Speaker 8: To watch him closely?

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Speaker 1: Anything else?

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Speaker 8: You can remember?

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Speaker 1: There it is, but I can't remember. Okay, that's fine,

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Speaker 1: And I was there when this happened. A juror was

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Speaker 1: dismissed because of alleged misconduct. And before she left the courthouse,

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Speaker 1: deliberation room and get the dozen eggs she had brought

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Speaker 1: to court that day. That's how she got that name. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Jennifer wood Fitz News. She's on the stand to talk

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Speaker 1: about everything the court clerk did wrong, Becky Hill, and

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Speaker 8: Influenced in any way by the communications.

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Speaker 1: And how was it influenced?

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Speaker 1: It felt like she made it seem like he was

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Speaker 8: All right, and I understand that that's the tenor of

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Speaker 8: the remark she made. Did that affect your finding.

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Speaker 1: Of guilty in this case, yes, ma'am. So this is

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Woodfezniez explained, you know, I think, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, like Virgina said, there are one hundred and thirty

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Speaker 4: two pages of issues, but I think it's really going

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Speaker 4: whether or not things that she allegedly said futures during

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Speaker 4: the course of the trial had an impact on their verdict.

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Speaker 4: You know, the tutors said that she said before Alex

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Speaker 4: Murnach took the stand, watched his body language. One of

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Speaker 4: those jurors, flighty or not about it, said that that

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Speaker 1: Ent, Maggie and Paul lose their lives, gunned down and

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Speaker 1: and guess who's on the scene. Alex murdog. He claims

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Speaker 1: he was at his mom's house a few miles away,

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Speaker 1: to indicate he is nothing but a liar. Back to

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Speaker 1: Becky Hill, the court clerk allegedly affecting the jury and

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Speaker 1: she wanted a guilty verdict because her book sales would

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Speaker 1: be greater and she would make more money. Is that

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Speaker 1: their claim.

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Speaker 2: That's one of their claims.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I've always thought about that and thought,

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Speaker 4: you know, I think the book would have been just

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Speaker 2: Found not guilty.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know if I necessarily buy that motivation,

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Speaker 1: Well, I got to tell you something else, Jennifer Wood.

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Speaker 1: Judge Jane told kind of handed this up started up

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Speaker 1: on a silver platter because the judge comments on Becky

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Speaker 1: Hill's credibility. Listen the facts, did clerk of court?

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Speaker 8: He'll make comments to any jewel or which express her

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Speaker 8: a and so the question becomes was her denied credible?

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Speaker 8: I find that the clerk of court is not completely

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Speaker 8: about the trial and express that as early as November

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Speaker 1: Began, So what does that mean in your mind, Jennifer

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Speaker 1: because of that one issue, and of course you've pointed

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Speaker 1: out there are many more that have been raised by

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Speaker 1: the defense, whether they amount to anything or not, that

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Speaker 1: there will be a new trial. How would that happen?

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Speaker 1: How would that be executed? Where's Murdock right now?

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Speaker 4: Murdoch is in the South Carolina Department of Correction. He

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Speaker 4: is serving his two life sentences that he received as

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Speaker 4: a result of this verdict. They would you know, if

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Speaker 4: they do agree with his attorneys, they will remand it

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Speaker 4: for a new trial and we will start all over.

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Speaker 1: After the so called egg Lady juror was dismissed. And remember,

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Wood, isn't it true that Becky Heal was the

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Speaker 1: one that brought the attention of the court to the

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's absolutely true. It involved a alleged Facebook post

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Speaker 4: Nobody has ever seen that Facebook post. When she brought

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Speaker 4: it to the judge's attention, she could not find it again.

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Speaker 4: The post that she did ultimately end up finding was

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Speaker 4: from the husband of somebody. You know, it was from

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Speaker 4: somebody with the same name as her ex husband in

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Speaker 4: a different state and totally unrelated. So, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: This post, where is it? Did it exist?

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Speaker 4: I mean, it was what ultimately partially led to her dismissal.

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Speaker 1: So does this so called egg lady have an ax

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Speaker 1: to grind against the clerk? Becky Wood? That aside, The

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Speaker 1: issue is did the clerk affect the outcome of the verdict?

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Speaker 1: Many legal legals, like myself say it did not. But

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Speaker 1: even the appearance of impropriety may be enough for Alex

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Speaker 1: Murdog to get a new trial. Doesn't mean he's innocent

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Speaker 1: in no way? Listen? Okay, what is her name?

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Speaker 7: Maggie Simplease hurry.

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Speaker 4: We're getting somebody out there to you, man ask can

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Speaker 1: Is he moving now? Your son?

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Speaker 1: Nobody, they're not even one. Name's Maggie Murdoch okay?

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Speaker 1: Is Paul? Harry Murdoch. Where they all gad, Yes, sir,

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Speaker 7: That's what it looks like.

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Speaker 1: If there is a new trial for convicted killer lawyer

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Speaker 1: they're going to attack the video taken by son Paul

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Speaker 5: One of the biggest issues hearing Alex Murda on a

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Speaker 5: Paul's iPhone was found right away, but it was locked.

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Speaker 5: The phone was sent to the US Secret Service using

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Speaker 5: digital forensic technology designed to bypass iPhone encryption. The Secret

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Speaker 5: Murda's birthday April fourteenth, nineteen ninety nine. The six digit

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Speaker 1: Joining me is Chris McDonough, director Cold Case Foundation and

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Speaker 1: finally they cracked it. It was Paul's birthday. Really, that's

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Nancy, And what happens there nine out of ten

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Speaker 1: Birth in there to Jennifer Wood joining me direct research

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Speaker 1: fits news. Jennifer, why is the video on Paul Murdoch's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that video is critical because it shattered his alibi.

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Speaker 4: He said he was not down at those dog kennels,

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Speaker 4: and when they got that phone open and saw that video,

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Speaker 1: You're absolutely correct. They've got to be able to attack

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Speaker 1: this video. Hey, let's see the video. Roll it, get it,

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Speaker 1: get back.

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Speaker 8: Quick cash quintin.

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Speaker 7: Ship first, Hey you got.

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Speaker 1: Burdens Now, Hey, Buba, it's a there's a chicken.

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Speaker 2: Come a cash quick.

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Speaker 1: You have to know what you're listening for, Jennifer Wood.

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Speaker 1: The argument is made that you hear Alex murdog on

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Speaker 2: That is the argument.

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Speaker 4: And I'm not gonna lie. I listened to Alex testify

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Speaker 4: for two straight days and I heard that voice in

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Speaker 1: And what is Alex Murdoch saying, because this is the

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Speaker 1: point of the video. Paul murnad, the murdered son had

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Speaker 1: the dog was going to be taken to the vet

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Speaker 1: Maggie were out there in the kennels after she had

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Speaker 1: send to the vet. That's why they're there. And what

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Speaker 4: So they had a dog named Bubba that had gotten

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Speaker 4: and he's yelling at the dog trying to catch it.

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Speaker 1: You hear him say something about a guinea and then

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Speaker 1: say it's a chicken. Okay. You can hear him in

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Speaker 1: the background. I remember you sitting there in court listening

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Speaker 1: to Murdoch drone on and it really only got good

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Speaker 1: let's This is just what would you say a minute

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Speaker 1: or two before Maggie and Paul were shot at me

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Speaker 1: when he was saying that it's a chicken, it's a

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Speaker 1: hear him talking to Maggie and Paul like everything's fine.

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Speaker 1: Within minutes those two were shot dead. Paul I believe

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Speaker 1: was shot first. Maggie went to go defend Paul. And

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Speaker 4: I mean it like you said, it is within minutes,

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Speaker 9: Paul Murdaud was that that's a voting accident from while back.

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Speaker 6: If you remember, you all know Alec Murdoch, that's his son,

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Speaker 6: Show drop a good look.

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Speaker 1: Paul dead, the son of Alex Murdock, brutally gunned down

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Speaker 1: along with Maggie, Alex Murnau's wife. Where will the defense

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Speaker 1: go when a retrial occurs? Vegas bets soaring, Now there

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Speaker 1: will be a retrial for Alex murdog. They're going here

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Speaker 1: attacking the state cell phone expert regarding Maggie's cell phone listen.

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Speaker 5: Part of Murdad's appeal of his murder conviction centers around

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Speaker 5: the Charleston County Sheriff's Office. He testified about using his

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Speaker 5: darkened office as a lab and tossing an iPhone around

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Speaker 5: He kept no records, took no measurements, then testified as

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Speaker 5: backlight come on. The importance is the state, says Alec Murda,

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Speaker 5: based on his suburban GPS data drove by the area

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Speaker 5: Maggie's iPhone was located at nine oh eight pm, saying

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Speaker 5: Murdad tossed the phone out of his vehicle as he

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Speaker 5: The argument is that if Murdach passed the location at

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Wood. That's a lot of speculation on the defense part.

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Speaker 1: But if they can get one juror to believe that

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Speaker 1: Maggie's cell phone light the lamp would have come on

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Speaker 1: Murdog's navigation equipment on his suburban shows where he let

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Speaker 1: to convince a jury that the phone absolutely would have

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Speaker 1: So tell me why this is so critical.

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Speaker 4: Well, if the last time it lit up was before

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Speaker 3: Hello, yeah, and can you have to face talker.

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Speaker 2: Thanks having the care it Cole.

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Speaker 1: Okay, do you know he's crut the hood and there's

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Speaker 1: gold on the concrete and he breathed.

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Speaker 2: Out of her left here. Okay, you bring out of

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Speaker 2: her here and out of her head? Okay, all right?

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Speaker 2: The other waiting for you, trying to stand up this

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Speaker 7: No, I was holding her up.

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Speaker 1: Okay, she told me to listen to this time, to

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Speaker 2: Okay, do you guys know here, Yes, she worked for.

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Speaker 3: Okay, do you know she's ever had a stroker or anything?

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Speaker 2: Man can pray?

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Speaker 1: Another death connected to the Murdog family and Alex Murdog

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Speaker 1: orchestrates an extensive and intricate plot to steal the insurance

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Speaker 1: money from Gloria Satterfield's family. I'm talking about millions of

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Speaker 1: dollars stolen, a deadly fall and about four million dollars

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Speaker 1: in the last days. Another bombshell in the Murdad case.

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Speaker 1: Joining me, Jennifer wood Fitz Neece Jennifer. What's the latest

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Speaker 1: in the Gloria Sadderfield case? Right?

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Speaker 4: So, Gloria Saddle Satterfield, the insurance company for that took

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Speaker 4: Corey Fleming and Alex Murdoch to federal court. That trial

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Speaker 1: And what we're talking about regarding a conspiracy. Gloria Satterfield

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Speaker 1: falls down the steps at Murdoch's mansion. She dies. Then

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Speaker 1: Murdoch can correct me if I'm wrong, Jennifer Wood. Murdoch

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Speaker 1: approaches Satterfield's family and gets them to hire him to

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Speaker 1: the money. Do I have that right, Jennifer, I have

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Speaker 1: absolutely right.

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Speaker 2: He stole the bunny.

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Speaker 1: Joining me is doctor Kendall Crown's chief medical Examiner ter County.

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Speaker 1: That's fort Worth, esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of

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Speaker 1: Medicine at TCU. Doctor Kendall Crowns, thank you for being

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Speaker 1: with us. Explain to me what happened to Glorias Saderfield.

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Speaker 1: There have been so many theories. She was pushed down

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Speaker 1: the injuries? Why did she have to die from a

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Speaker 6: So what she had was injuries to her head. She

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Speaker 6: she had a right sided subdural hemorrhage, which is a

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Speaker 6: So there's some comment that she fell, or she tripped

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Speaker 6: So the injuries are inconsistent with the story that's provided.

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Speaker 1: Wow, when you put it like that, it makes the

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Speaker 1: fall seem very very nefarious, doesn't it. Doctor guys joining

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Speaker 1: me in addition to medical examiner, not just medical examiner,

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Speaker 1: Chief medical Examiner, Doctor Kimmell Crowns is a very special

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Speaker 1: guest joining us Blanca Simpson, the Murdog's former housekeeper and

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Speaker 1: friend of Gloria Sadderfield, Blanka, what was your reaction when

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Speaker 3: It was heartbreaking. She was a very nice lady. She

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Speaker 3: weren't you. Yes, While we were there, she would tell

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Speaker 1: Look, I want to ask you about the days that

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Speaker 1: I believe Maggie told you about a lawsuit that was

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Speaker 1: demanding around thirty million dollars. Now that lawsuit, of course,

441
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Speaker 1: was the death of a nineteen year old girl, Mallory Beach,

442
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: who was in a boat with Paul, driving drunk, horribly drunk.

443
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: Maggie was worried about that money, wasn't she?

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00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 2: She was worried about the money, and Alec knew it.

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Speaker 3: And the first time she ever mentioned they ever mentioned it,

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00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 3: it kind of hushed up right there at the counter

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Speaker 3: in the kitchen.

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Speaker 1: And then.

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Speaker 3: After that, that's when I came in that morning, probably

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Speaker 3: a couple of days later, and I guess they had

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Speaker 3: discussed it. I'm not sure, but that's when I came

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Speaker 3: in and she said, I got to tell you something,

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Speaker 3: and that's when we went in there, and she finished

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Speaker 3: telling me everything else. You know that where were they

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Speaker 3: going to get that money? They didn't have that kind

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Speaker 3: of money. And she just couldn't understand.

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Speaker 2: What was going on.

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Speaker 3: And it wasn't that she was trying to be that

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Speaker 3: she was trying to cover up anything. I listening to her,

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Speaker 3: she really did not know the total extent of the lawsuits.

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00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 2: She didn't know. She knew bits and pieces, but she

462
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 2: didn't know exactly what was going on.

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Speaker 1: But she was crying and upset and told you confidentially

464
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Speaker 1: that there was a multimillion dollar lawsuit against some Mardog

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Speaker 1: family because of that boat crash, and they didn't have

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Speaker 1: that kind of money.

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Speaker 3: That's correct. Alec didn't like any crying. I remember her

468
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 3: telling me that if he ever says anything and you

469
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 3: feel bad or he makes you feel bad, just don't

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Speaker 3: let him see you cry.

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Speaker 2: So I.

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Speaker 3: I believe that's why we went in that room, even

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Speaker 3: though he was there at the house, but he was

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Speaker 3: all the way on the other side, and when we

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Speaker 3: went in there.

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Speaker 2: She could express herself no judgment. I had no reason

477
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 2: to judge her. I just listened to her.

478
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Speaker 1: So Maggie would have to walk off in another room

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Speaker 1: and shut the door so Murdoch would not see her cry.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she didn't cry in front of him. That was

481
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Speaker 2: just one thing.

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Speaker 3: Even if sometimes he would say something, we just you

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Speaker 3: just don't don't cry in front of him.

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Speaker 2: He didn't like that.

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Speaker 3: It didn't you know, it wasn't going to affect how

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Speaker 3: he felt or whatever the situation was.

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Speaker 2: So I do.

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Speaker 3: That was from the very beginning. I remember when I

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00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 3: first started working there, when Gloria was still there. Even

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00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 3: Gloria made.

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Speaker 2: That comment to me, what comment about it? If he

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00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 2: says anything that they might hurt your feelings, don't let

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Speaker 2: him see you cry.

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Speaker 1: What was Murdoch like to work for?

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Speaker 2: He was good to me. I I never had an answer.

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Speaker 2: I can't.

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Speaker 3: I know there's people that want me to speak badly

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00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 3: about him or say things. You know, as far as

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00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 3: when I work there, he was always he was always

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Speaker 3: very nice to me anything that I needed.

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00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: Yes, I want you to understand that. I don't want

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00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: you to say anything other than the truth, because, believe me,

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00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: I've seen plenty of killers, stone cold killers that had

504
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: everybody else charmed. So I'm not surprised at all. I mean,

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00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: how do you think he got all those bank loans

506
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: from millions and millions of dollars? He charmed the bank

507
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: into thinking that he could pay it all off. He

508
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: charmed all of his clients and stole their money, I agree,

509
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: even clients that were quadgriplegics. So I would not expect

510
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: anything different because he needed you, He needed you to

511
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: see him in a certain way. Now I'm curious. Many

512
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: people have told me, hey, that's not in evidence, that's

513
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: not true. But isn't it true that the night of

514
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: the murders, Maggie told you she had been called to

515
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: the hunting lodge Moseille. She didn't want to go because

516
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: she was at the beach house and didn't want to

517
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: leave yet. But Murdoch called her and convinced her to

518
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: come to Mozille the night she was murdered.

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00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 3: She did, and I have the text where she said

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00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 3: she didn't really want to go. I still have her

521
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 3: text on my phone.

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00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: Tell me what she said?

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00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 3: She had workers at She still had workers out there

524
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 3: at the beach house, and she felt that she needed

525
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 3: to just complete all the finishing touches and you know

526
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 3: that that that were there was still some little projects

527
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 3: that had to be completed at Edistone, and she just

528
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 3: wanted to be there. She was very like I said

529
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 3: in my testimony, she was very detailed oriented. It had

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00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 3: to be you know, perfect in her eyes, and that's

531
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 3: one of the reasons she wanted to be there. She

532
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 3: knew that I had Mozille, and if anything came up,

533
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 3: I was at Mozille, and she felt comforted. So I

534
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 3: handled pretty much, you know, Moseille, whatever came up, whatever.

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00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 2: Needed to be done.

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00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 3: I took care of Mozille, and she felt comfortable staying

537
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 3: at Edistone and we just used to talk and if

538
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 3: she needed for me to take care of anything, she

539
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 3: would just give me a call or text me. But

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00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 3: that on June the seventh, she texted me that Alex

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00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 3: wanted her to come home and Paul as well, and she'd.

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00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 6: And that was.

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00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 2: I meant what I said. She was hesitant to come

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00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 2: to Moselle.

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00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 3: She didn't want to come to Moseielle, despite the fact

546
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 3: that yes, she did love mister Randolph. Mister Randolph was

547
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 3: really good to her.

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00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: And that would have been Alex Murdock's father, is mister Randolph. Yes,

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00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: you know I'm thinking about this call, the text from

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00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: Maggie at that time, Miss Simpson, did you have any

551
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 1: reason to suspect Alex Murdock? No crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: Alex Murdog, double killer, convicted lawyer gets a new trial.

553
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: Is that where we're headed? According to Vegas odds, Yes,

554
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: joining me right now, Special guests. Blanca Simpson, former housekeeper

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00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: for the Alex Murdogg family, Blanca. Another critical point regarding

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00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: your perspective is that the night of the murders, both

557
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: just before Paul and Maggie were shot dead, you were

558
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: actually at the home at Maggie's request and you made supper.

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00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, I did.

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00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: And then the next morning you got a phone call

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00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: from Alex Murdogg. What happened?

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00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 3: Alex called me as I was getting my husband ready

563
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 3: to go to work that morning, and I was getting

564
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 3: ready as well to go out to Mozelle and.

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00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 2: That's when he.

566
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 3: Tells me they're gone. Being you know, they're gone, And

567
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 3: like I said in my testimony, I thought I was like,

568
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,919
Speaker 3: did she go back to edistone? She said no, being

569
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 3: they're dead.

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00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 2: And I still I can still hear him repeatedly saying

571
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 2: that in my head, you know they're dead.

572
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: What was his demeanor? How did he sound?

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00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 3: He was jittery, crying, you know, having small episodes of crying.

574
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 3: You know, you could tell he sounded distraught.

575
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 2: I was in shock.

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00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: To tell you, the crew, Blanka, he asked you to

577
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: come clean the house up. I know you found pots

578
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 1: of leftovers in the kitchen, but you've also noticed something

579
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: very odd about Maggie's pajamas.

580
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:50,280
Speaker 3: What her pajamas were in the middle of the doorway

581
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 3: going into the laundry room, which is usually the first

582
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 3: place that I went when I got there. I used

583
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 3: to drop off my keys in there in my phone,

584
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 3: go straight in the laundry room. That morning, when I

585
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 3: walked through, I left all the lights off. I I

586
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 3: just walked in and it was just a cold, eerie

587
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 3: feeling that went through me. And it was just the

588
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 3: thought that, oh my god. You know, I still could

589
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 3: not grasp the concept that I was never going to

590
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 3: see them again, and you know, I was never When you're.

591
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: Talking about her pajamas being laid out neatly in a doorway.

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00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: They also had with them underwear. Was it were they

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00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: laid out? What were they on the floor or though

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00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: they on a hangar? Where were they they were on

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00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: the floor. When you say laid out neatly, what do

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00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 1: you mean laid out flat neatly?

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00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 3: One on you it was like the pants were spread out,

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00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 3: laid out. Then you had the underwear and then her

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00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 3: pajama top stretched out on top neatly.

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00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 2: They weren't both We never have done that.

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00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: Plus, she didn't wear underwear to bed right.

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00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 2: That is correct. She didn't do that, and I stand

603
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: by that she did not do that. That was not her.

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00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: Several weeks later, Alex Murda called you, well, actually got

605
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: together with you, and he was very agitated, pacing back

606
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: and forth, asking you about what you remembered regarding the

607
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: night Maggie and Paul were murdered. What did he ask you?

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00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 3: He was pacing back and forth in the living room,

609
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 3: and he kept going back and forth. He said, sit down,

610
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 3: sit down. I got to tell you something. Something's not right.

611
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 3: And he said, I got a you know, I got

612
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 3: a bad feeling. And he at that point he motioned

613
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 3: and he touched his stomach. He said, I got a

614
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 3: bad feeling. I got a bad feeling. And he says,

615
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 3: you remember what I was wearing that day, you know,

616
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 3: the Bennie Vines And like I said, I was kind

617
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 3: of like, you know, no, that's not what And I

618
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 3: understand that people have said, well, Bennie Vines also makes

619
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 3: you know the fit. I should have described it better

620
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 3: on the stand when I said, no, you weren't wearing

621
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Speaker 3: a Bennie Vines. He that Bennie Vines also makes the

622
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 3: fishing stock.

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Speaker 5: Was he wearing.

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00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 2: He was wearing a sea foamy green polo shirt when

625
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 2: he left that house. Well, you got it with memory.

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Speaker 1: So Jennifer Wood joining me direct research fits news. That's

627
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: critical because in these video that we're showing, the video

628
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: we're showing right now when the cops get there, he

629
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: is wearing a Vineyard Vines Vinnie Vine's T shirt that

630
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: he was trying to convince Blanca to say he was

631
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: wearing when she we talked to him. Why is that

632
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,760
Speaker 1: so critical, Jennifer? You know, it's just another another series,

633
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: It's another lie.

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00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 4: In his web of lies. I mean, why why ask

635
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 4: her to verify something that wasn't true.

636
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: And in my mind, more importantly, Chris McDonald, homicide detective,

637
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: why did he change clothes before police arrived at what

638
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: happened to the cea phone colored shirt? Blanca remembers him wearing.

639
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: Think it might have had a little bit of blood

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00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: spatter on it.

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00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly, Nancy, blood transfer. And remember the first question

642
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 7: the cops asked him when they got on the scene.

643
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 7: They started asking him about the firearm, and he shifted

644
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 7: that conversation immediately to the boat wreck. He's classic, This

645
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 7: guy's classic.

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00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds in the Alex Murnoch double

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Speaker 1: murder case. Nancy Gray signing off, goodbye friend, I give