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Speaker 2: Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic episode

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Speaker 2: was produced by the team at Pandora.

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Speaker 3: What up, y'all, it's Layah and this week's QLs classic.

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Speaker 4: It's a good one. I'm talking about David Alan Grier.

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Speaker 5: Yo.

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Speaker 3: This episode, he goes all the way back to his

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Speaker 3: days at Yale Drama when he was Angela Bassett's old

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Speaker 3: head and all the greatness that came out of that school,

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Speaker 3: to talking about his days on Broadway. You got about that,

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Speaker 3: and of course he dished into some in living color.

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Speaker 4: You don't want to miss this.

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Speaker 3: You think you know David Allen Greer, you don't, So

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Speaker 3: listen and find out. This episode was originally released November fourteenth,

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Speaker 3: twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 5: Here a roll call, I'm skilled quest the three and

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Speaker 5: if he starts with my jam, yeah, I had a verse.

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Speaker 5: I'm fresh Sugar.

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Speaker 7: Supremo Sun Supremo role called Suprema son.

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Speaker 1: My name is fante, Yeah, I stay so fly Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I'm in this verse. Yeah, Supremo Supremo role call,

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Speaker 5: My name is Sugar. Yeah, now listen here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah my favorite comedian, yeah is a mirror.

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Speaker 7: U Supremo roll call Subremo Sun Sun Supremo role calls.

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Speaker 1: Favorite Yeah, record to listen.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that classic platter.

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Speaker 5: Suprema So Supremo roll call.

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Speaker 4: It's lie Yeah, yeah, oh my god.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Thirty years later, Yeah, you would have all picked.

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Speaker 5: Your run.

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Speaker 1: Smo Suprema see it Sepremire. My name is Dave v J.

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Speaker 5: Y'all know me.

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Speaker 1: I'm up in this mo we on the top tail three.

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Speaker 7: Supremo roll call, Supremo Supremo, Supremo Supremo roll call Suprema.

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Speaker 5: Supremo roll call, Ladies, Man, I might not make it.

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Speaker 5: Let's just cut to the chase. Ladies, John, we have David.

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Speaker 5: That was probably your best road call.

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Speaker 3: In means a lot to me. I worked on my

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Speaker 3: had like three alternates. You've done a lot, mister Christ

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Speaker 3: for Dome.

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Speaker 1: You know, dint write nothing down.

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Speaker 4: Okay, you didn't have to do that to me he was.

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Speaker 1: Getting from an iPhone. I don't that's not him, that

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Speaker 1: is not really that's nerd. You can't be like, can

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Speaker 1: you try the lights up place this? Can you roll

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Speaker 1: it back? Can you roll the back place?

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Speaker 5: Damn?

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Speaker 4: I owe to you, you know.

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Speaker 1: Oh sorry you tried to hug me, but I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I'm not. You know, there's too many hugs. Hugs have

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Speaker 1: been diminished because everybody wants a damn hug. Used to

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Speaker 1: be for your grandma, you know, your sick mama, when

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Speaker 1: you're leaving home. Now it's just every woman. Every everybody

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Speaker 1: wants a damn hug. And it's too intimate. I don't

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Speaker 1: want to hug strangers. You know, he's got to mean something.

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Speaker 4: How long it takes for me to give him on?

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Speaker 1: Months?

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Speaker 5: Months to trusted?

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Speaker 1: Jesus am the only one. It used to be a handshake.

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Speaker 1: You can't shake a look person in the eye. Oh

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Speaker 1: your questions, Nice to meet you. Now, I'm like, see

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Speaker 1: that's even worse. That's even worse. He's trying to not

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Speaker 1: catch America.

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Speaker 4: We need to love. I think that's what it is.

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Speaker 1: Please, I ain't trying to lose my job, man, Kanye.

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Speaker 1: Kanye apologized today. Yes that sorry, I just tweeted. Apology accepted.

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Speaker 1: Let's move on to talk about this. Yeah, talking about right,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna pray for him, any let's let it out.

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Speaker 4: I was just saying I was saving my prayers something.

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Speaker 5: Just like that, going.

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna say no, no, no, it' still times.

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Speaker 1: Time him and Tiger Tiger Woods and King and up

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Speaker 1: name some other questionable black folks. Always like, I know

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Speaker 1: we all got a family member. That's like exactly my mother,

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Speaker 1: May she rest in peace. I said. She was like,

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Speaker 1: what are you gonna say Republican? I mean, if you

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Speaker 1: want to say we're going to vote it, why would

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Speaker 1: you even say the word. I was like, my mom,

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Speaker 1: come relaxed, I'm not even I just said Republicans. She's like,

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Speaker 1: but no, she.

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Speaker 4: Where your mama fromd Well.

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Speaker 1: My mother was born in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, from Michigan.

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Speaker 1: She was light skinned. Did you know she said she

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Speaker 1: was freeman. I'm just telling you the family she said,

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Speaker 1: we weren't slaves, we were freedman. I'm like, okay, the

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Speaker 1: whole time. My father's side field workers, field workers, So

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Speaker 1: make no doubt about it, that can happen you know

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Speaker 1: what they did the history of local Jay's family.

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Speaker 8: None of his family members had to go through slavery

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Speaker 8: when it came to the United States. Were immigrants they

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Speaker 8: got no, they were African American. For some strange reason,

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Speaker 8: they they came immediately to.

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Speaker 5: Ohio and something. Luckily, I don't know what the story was,

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Speaker 5: but it's on finding your roots with Skip Gates on PBS,

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Speaker 5: which you did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you did it, Yeah, I did. It was

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Speaker 1: there when my grandfather.

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Speaker 5: Was the last my great great great grandfather was the

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Speaker 5: last slave.

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Speaker 1: Did you read this book that was recently published? Come on,

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Speaker 1: you looked at me.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: What's it called? I just got to reading it. I'm

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Speaker 1: foggy right now, sorry watching God. You know. Yes, Well, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm mentioning this because this guy in the book, his testimonial,

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Speaker 1: he was on one of the last slaves, Clotilda. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: my grandfather Clotilda. You know that's some evil ship right there,

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Speaker 1: the clitoral bondage over in this blasphemous name.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a it was a bet. It was

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Speaker 5: a flip. Slavery was over. They flipped the coin and

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Speaker 5: the bet was whether or not he could get a

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Speaker 5: hook up. Uh, and and over in Nigeria to bring

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Speaker 5: some back on the sneak tip because it was it

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Speaker 5: was what this book was.

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Speaker 1: Basically, it's the same deal. It was technically over, but

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Speaker 1: they snuck this ship in and contraband cargo.

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Speaker 5: And all that, you know, exactly, like slaves were like

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Speaker 5: having cocaine on you like, you know, the British were like, wow,

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Speaker 5: what you got in the trunk? Oh, you got some.

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Speaker 4: They were the biggest culprits.

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Speaker 1: But then all the all the what I'm trying to say,

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Speaker 1: all the European moneyed families, you know, these people who

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Speaker 1: quote unquote built this nation. Nobody had as slave trader

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Speaker 1: that's not kosher. Nobody wants to be known as that.

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Speaker 1: They're like, well we sold tobacco, yeah, were probably, yeah,

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Speaker 1: farm in the eighteen hundreds, yeah, yeah, exactly, tractor. I

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Speaker 1: don't think, no, not yet, So can we move on.

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Speaker 5: I'm not allowed to laugh at the slave.

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Speaker 1: Can't nobody see you? But dig Man I did twenty

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Speaker 1: three and me and there were no surprises. It was

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Speaker 1: just okay, black black Irish Scottish. Okay, well Western though,

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Speaker 1: Uh well it's I don't know everybody here in this

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Speaker 1: would assume, you know, uh, their lineage, and I have

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Speaker 1: some knowledge. I mean in uh, there just was no

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Speaker 1: crazy story. You know. It wasn't like you know, you're

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Speaker 1: one third tie. No, it was none of that. It

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Speaker 1: was a straight slave ship plantation Detroit.

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Speaker 5: Here we are. So yeah, well I did that initially,

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Speaker 5: and they tried to tell me that was from Sierra Leone.

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Speaker 5: And when Skip Gates got to me, he was like, no,

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna do a thorough DNA search, and you know,

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Speaker 5: he had the receipts and all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: That's what I need. Man. Yeah, I got the thirty dollars.

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Speaker 4: I was about to.

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Speaker 3: Say, you're not scared, because I was all for this

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Speaker 3: until like recently they really want us to do this

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Speaker 3: real bad and they're doing crazy things with your DNA.

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Speaker 3: In that moment, what are they doing with Listen, they're

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Speaker 3: finding criminals with the DNA.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's just the beginning.

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Speaker 5: Did you do anything criminal?

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Speaker 3: And they're finding it in your family, like in your lineage.

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Speaker 3: You're like, so you're related so and so. Oh, that's

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Speaker 3: how we can get so and so in the system.

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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, it's I never even thought about that. That's happened.

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Speaker 1: It means a relative of yours did something and they

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Speaker 1: can they can trace it. Also, our DNA information is

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Speaker 1: not secured twenty three. Once you do that, once you

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Speaker 1: enter that database, it's not like you can I don't

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Speaker 1: know where that is. I spit in the test tube,

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Speaker 1: I send it off in the mail?

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Speaker 4: Right, did they sell it?

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Speaker 1: What they do exactly? Something modify what it's like posting

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Speaker 1: a picture on Instagram. You don't know.

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Speaker 4: But you're good. You did George with skip seeing so

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Speaker 4: that's right, you say.

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Speaker 1: Skip is good for now.

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Speaker 9: My homie did a sketch about that on the on

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Speaker 9: the show Random Acts of Flying It, so he's real.

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Speaker 9: It's it's super true. So it is a sketch where

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Speaker 9: it's a reparations Yeah, turns he did. It's a reparation

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Speaker 9: sketch where there's an app where you give your DNA

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Speaker 9: and they're able to trace who are the family, who's

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Speaker 9: the white family that owned you?

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Speaker 5: And this is where it is where you're getting your reparation.

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Speaker 1: This is where you get your reparations from and like,

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Speaker 1: and they like, and I also takes into account things

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Speaker 1: such as redlining and like all like it.

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Speaker 9: It's funny as hell, but it's oh sketch oh. In

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Speaker 9: my mind, I was like word.

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Speaker 5: That was.

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Speaker 1: But you know what, we did something when I did

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Speaker 1: Chocolate News. But it was based on the thing where

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Speaker 1: Skip gates. You never all all of your relatives are

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Speaker 1: always wonderful. With Skip. I never seen him say, hey, dog,

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Speaker 1: you'll people ain't ship you know, white people. Doctor Phil

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Speaker 1: got it.

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Speaker 5: He tried to said let's not let's get the show.

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Speaker 1: Can take musht off gave him that bottle of hooch

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Speaker 1: and said go sit over there, brother, get your life together.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So Michigan, Sir, Detroit, Michigan, east Side of west Side,

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Speaker 1: west Side, barely. I grew up in one house. My

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Speaker 1: parents bought this house two days before I was one.

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Speaker 1: I'm the youngest of three, nineteen fifty six, sixty two

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Speaker 1: years old. And that's the one house I grew up in.

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Speaker 1: And I left at eighteen and my mom sold the house,

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Speaker 1: you know, when she got remarried and college. But that's

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Speaker 1: just one house because but it was I'm sorry, to

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Speaker 1: answer your question, it was four blocks west of Woodward,

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Speaker 1: which is the dividing line between east and west, so

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Speaker 1: it's barely west.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because I often hear stories of people that are

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Speaker 5: from the west side of the Detroit that will lie

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Speaker 5: and say they're from the east side of Detroit for credibility,

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Speaker 5: Like its seemed that the west side is the bougy

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Speaker 5: real side.

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Speaker 1: you know, let's let's kick it. I mean it was nice.

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00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: She was cool.

434
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, she was nice to you.

435
00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:09,439
Speaker 1: Too soon soon anybody have any Lauren Hill? Because you

436
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: know she she she clapped back, clap.

437
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 5: Back to me. Was too much, plea copping. It's too much.

438
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 5: It was a whole bunch of word salad, a lot

439
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 5: of words.

440
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: It wasn't even about what she said. It was about

441
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 1: the comments. Yeah, yes, you know, you can make it

442
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: on Twitter on time, but not to your concert. That's

443
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 1: all I'm saying. Waited two hours. Okay, clap right back

444
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 1: on Twitter. In the comments. I looked at the comments

445
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: for one time. They were actually worth reading, really hilarious.

446
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: You know, I can't say, I can't believe I'm about

447
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: to say this. Okay, So I read the whole whole thing.

448
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 1: I read it, but part of me was legit proud

449
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: that she knew what emojis were. Yeah, right, there tells

450
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: you the message failed when you the mojis.

451
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 5: E emojis to make your point. She got kids. That

452
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 5: That's I spent at least ten minutes trying to analyze like,

453
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 5: imagine Laurence Hill knowing what that that skeptical, the cynic

454
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 5: on your chin with the eyebrow.

455
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 3: But it was it was like got co writers on that. No,

456
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 3: I don't want the sister to come give me.

457
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: But I was like, who wrote this? Because I can't

458
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: imagine her. I think I think she actually wrote the

459
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: opening paragraph. Was like, it's mighty presumptuous for you to

460
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 1: think that I would presume assumptions worthwith real Oswald Banks.

461
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 5: Answer?

462
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: This is medium a blog? Or is it it's a site.

463
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 5: Where anybody can post anything? Oh? Because I was like,

464
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 5: why aren't the medium people spell checking and all that stuff?

465
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 5: Now it's just you can type that shit on your phone.

466
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: And they want they want you real.

467
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 5: Oh I didn't know that.

468
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 1: A big fan of Lauren Hills.

469
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love breakfast. I'm a punishment actually.

470
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: First of all, you know some whoopez has come to

471
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: anybody quest love real quick? A big fan, by the way,

472
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 1: big fant, you should run then, don't wait anything that's

473
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: out A big fan, brother? Can I ask you some please? No?

474
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 5: Yeah? I was proud that she not since Okay, when

475
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 5: I graduated high school, LL's walking with a panther came out. Wow,

476
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 5: And my big surprise was okay, because again LL's from

477
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 5: like the eighty five era, so I was trying to

478
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 5: imagine LL over modern breakbeats and to hear him over

479
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 5: modern hip hop of eighty nine was like a shocker, like, oh, okay,

480
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 5: LL's new man. That's how I felt about Lauren, Like

481
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 5: she knew what a hashtag was in an emoji, Like

482
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 5: I was legit proud.

483
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: Because I mean it's been around for like fifteen years now.

484
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 5: Well, he was actually taking a selfie and remember when

485
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 5: Prince took that selfie and Princess selfie, it was awesome. Yeah,

486
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 5: but I think he did it on purpose.

487
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: So I think the greatest selfie was Reverend Al selfie.

488
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 5: Had to show you the whole fish. Yeah, like I

489
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 5: got to see all this.

490
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: He's a man. I just saw him. I was in

491
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: Brooklyn last Yeah.

492
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 9: Yeah, he was at the Spike Lee has a Michael

493
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 9: Jackson party he does every year.

494
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: Al was at there dancing. I saw a video he was. Yeah,

495
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: I kicked it with man. He was chasing me down

496
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: for years, like Reven would like to talk to you.

497
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 4: I'm going.

498
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: Finally we finally we touched the base and he's good. Man. No,

499
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: it was back, you know, in the nineties. One Living

500
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: Color was on and I was just trying. I'm trying

501
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,479
Speaker 1: feather Man sterile at that point, you know, I mean,

502
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: I was trying. But anyway, are you one of.

503
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 5: Those people that you're literally on meeting your idols or

504
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 5: or have you ever had a situation in which you

505
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 5: met someone and they disappointed you because they weren't like.

506
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: I'll tell you one, but I mean, I didn't hate

507
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: on him. I'm just telling you how it happened. Like

508
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: I was doing this award show and Cab Calloway was

509
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: the Cab Calloway as a kid. You know, he wrote

510
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: his memoir. I forget what it was called, but it

511
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: was beautiful. Man. I'll tell you a quick story from

512
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: his memoir, Like when Cab Calloway had his band, Disney

513
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: Gillespie played in it, and Disney Gillespie and them, when

514
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,239
Speaker 1: they're on the bandstand, they used to shoot spitballs at

515
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: each other, and Cab Callaway hated that shit, you know,

516
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: because she would get wild when they're gig in and

517
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: one or two spit balls will hit hit him. So

518
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: he and Dizzy had it out. Now The story is,

519
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: you know, he always wore a white tuxedo, and so

520
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: he got in a fight with Dizzey Gillespie and they

521
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: said he went past the room and he came by

522
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: the white tuxedo was blood on it. He said, I

523
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: guess y'all heard. I had to fire the nigga. Cap

524
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: tried to swing on him, and Dizzy pulled out a

525
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: knife and stuck it.

526
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 5: Now, I got to cut it.

527
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: Real black, and forgive me if I get the story slightly.

528
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: This was many years ago. But anyway, I see Cap

529
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: Callaway and I just totally fanned out. I was like,

530
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: oh my god. You know, he was talking to another

531
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: dude I knew who was like, you know, stage managing

532
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: the whole thing. I was like, oh my god, mister Calloway,

533
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: you are my hero, You're my idol. I've been watching

534
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: you since my whole life. I've read every anything, I

535
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: have posters of him. And he just went, that's beautiful. Anyway,

536
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: I understood there. I was like, oh man, I heard

537
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: flowing off, blown off by Camp CALLI, but it's all good.

538
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: He didn't know who I was. You know, it was

539
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: all good, So that's not you know it wasn't. Yeah,

540
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: I would like to talk to him longer, but he didn't.

541
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: I didn't go home, like I hate you, man.

542
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 5: You just WoT Cuba Cuba. Gooding Senior did that to

543
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 5: me once, Like he was sitting there. Yeah, he was

544
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 5: sitting We were at uh uh the movie that Junior

545
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 5: was in with Denzel Washington Drug Frank White. Uh. Yeah.

546
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 5: We were at like an after party and Cuba scene.

547
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 5: He was sitting alone, like isolated, and I was just

548
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 5: like yo, like, dude, you're my hero main ingredient. I

549
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 5: love all your music, YadA YadA, YadA, and instantly like

550
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 5: he shook my hand, but then he saw iced tea

551
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 5: and Cocoa walked in and he just pushed me out

552
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 5: the way I grew up on mean ingredients. D d

553
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 5: da da dada.

554
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god boy, how did you feel? I mean,

555
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: people are human beings, Coco.

556
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 5: So I got curd of Coco. I guess I kind

557
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 5: of got it.

558
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: But I mean, I'm sure people would tell you, you know,

559
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: I curbed them. It depends if you roll upon me

560
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: at five forty five at the airport and want to

561
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: take a selfie. If you roll up on me in

562
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: a nightclub with a you know, cell phone, talk to

563
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: my nephew.

564
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 5: You might get curved.

565
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not gonna FaceTime with your mama. Yeah I

566
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: don't know you. I mean with your mom. I would

567
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: because I know you. But you know what I mean,

568
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: sometimes you have to be like now, you have.

569
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 5: To put up those boundaries.

570
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: Man.

571
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, like that is longer, but thank you for

572
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 3: the short of it.

573
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know sometimes and it's just that way.

574
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: So I give people. I give people latitude as long

575
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: as it's not too foul. I mean, you know, nobody's

576
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: ever like swung on me like that.

577
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 5: Established.

578
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: I don't want to be stabbed. Nobody wants to get

579
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: stabs right right. Evant is gonna be my new You

580
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: can use it because people they won't even know, they

581
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: won't know.

582
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 5: No good.

583
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: Well, I wanted to tell you my sl Stone. You

584
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: guys are talking. Yeah, First of all, sly Stone, sling

585
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:33,719
Speaker 1: of family Stone where there was a record store on

586
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: twelfth Street. Twelve Street in Detroit is the Black Street.

587
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: We had to walk a few blocks to get to

588
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: twelve Street, twelve Street. There's a store in there called

589
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: Being Bob's and that's where me and my friend we

590
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: go and get our singles. You know, it was like

591
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: so the Soda Shop records, uh palmade you know, m yes, exactly,

592
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: Murray by the way, Detroit Company, look on the ten

593
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: New Nile, New Nile. But so we heard dance to

594
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: the music again on the local radio station. Sly's music

595
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: was so different, so new. I had never heard no

596
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: kind of ship like that, you know what I mean.

597
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, you know, boom boom boom, boom boom.

598
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: We're like, oh my god, I got to get some

599
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: of this. So we went and that's where I got

600
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 1: that first single. And watching him back then, there was

601
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: no all it was was Ed Sullivan and what Hollywood

602
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: Palace you know. Uh so you had to just wait

603
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: American band stand. Yeah yeah yeah. But watching size, seeing Sly,

604
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: his style was so different and fresh, the way he

605
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 1: combined gospel. He was an inventor of funk, I mean

606
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: he really was. And his drum patterns, I mean he

607
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 1: had the fun honest drummers I've ever heard. I mean

608
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: his bass player, his bass player, man Mary Graham, invented

609
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: a whole style that changed bass playing. So all that

610
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: in one group. So I saw him at Olympia at

611
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: the Olympia Auditorium that was the hockey ring in Detroit.

612
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: I had to be fifteen, okay. So this was the

613
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: first time we talked, me and my crew. We talked

614
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: one of the moms into dropping us off then they

615
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 1: would pick us up. It's got to be seventy one, okay, seventy.

616
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 5: One right, all right, So he would get there.

617
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: Everybody was there, all all the crew from school, you know,

618
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: we all piling there, and we were well, we take

619
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: the cheapest tickets and then just bum rush, That's what

620
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: we did. So as soon as the lights went down,

621
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 1: Slide came out and you know, it's all white on stage.

622
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: He had those tufted custom amps. And by the way,

623
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: we're always you know, equipment heads. We just look what

624
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: is he playing? What is what is that? What is

625
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: the gear? What is the chord? The guitars? All that

626
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: far fiesia organ. So he comes out and he starts jamming,

627
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: and it was like as soon as he hit that

628
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: first note, people turned and started whooping. Ass They just

629
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: it was a riot immediately. So Slide stopped and he said,

630
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: look man, he said, look man, if you if you

631
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: all gonna stop beating these kids. We're gonna we're gonna go.

632
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: We're gonna go, man, And so it was like no, no, no,

633
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: don't go. Everybody's calm down. He started up again. It

634
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: was like robots bam. We just started swinging. And so

635
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: that went on and on. So we got about twenty

636
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: minutes of music. So he got to I want to

637
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: take it, and I'm out fucking it was quite as

638
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: interrupt just like a motherfucker. And so then he went

639
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 1: on the news and he apologized and he said I'm

640
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: coming back. You know, he had the knit hat, the

641
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: gass boots. We fucking loved the slide. There was a

642
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: dude I went to school with who dressed like Slice

643
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: do every single day summer went. He had the fuzzy boots,

644
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: he had those you know, knit hats, all that stuff.

645
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: So sly Stone was he was huge, huge, huge. I

646
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: loved him. I saw him then, and then I saw

647
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 1: him another time at the Fisher Theater. This has got

648
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: to be seventy four or five. And again this was

649
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: at twelve noon. He had skipped out on another concert

650
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: and I just happened to have a ticket, like I'd

651
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: been in town home from school, and I heard he

652
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: was there and I just went it was a half

653
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: full house, but that was that drummer there. I don't

654
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: know who this dude was, but he on one handed.

655
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 5: Was not Greg Rico.

656
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: But no, it was not gregor Rico because Greg and I.

657
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 5: Gotta look him up. Yeah, I know you're talking about

658
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 5: who was.

659
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: Sugarfoot with somebody else, but I'm just telling you it

660
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: was still. It was just I just loved Slot Sly.

661
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: I mean I would go see him anywhere.

662
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 5: He wasn't late because I know, like he was the

663
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 5: original original Lauren Hill.

664
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: Out Lauren, Lauren Hill, you out Lauren Well to go back.

665
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: But I loved him, okay, so to tie in, not

666
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: to take him to and okay, So I was looking

667
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: at guitars and stuff because soon as I got flushed,

668
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: you know, as soon as I got a TV show,

669
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: I just start buying guitars.

670
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 5: You know.

671
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: They were like, we'll play I get it, I'll take it,

672
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: give me the go play it straight. I'll take it.

673
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: So I met a dude, when I met a dude

674
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: who is just the equipment guy, and he said that

675
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: he got a call one day to take up all

676
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: this equipment had been ordered from their music store here

677
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: in LA and take it up to this house. And

678
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: and when he took it to deliver it, Slye was there.

679
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: It was sly Stone and I was like, what is

680
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: going on? So this in the nineties. He said, Man,

681
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 1: this young dude, he said, sly brought him in and

682
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: he played him some of the music he was working on,

683
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 1: and he said, he said, he just start crying because

684
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: it was just so beautiful and so amazing. And I

685
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, never heard never heard anything.

686
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 5: One we know has a gazillion I went to here.

687
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, wait he released I went on itune. Yeah, he

688
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: did a cover covered his own stuff and released that

689
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 1: a few years back.

690
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 5: It was weird.

691
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: Well, you know, Jesse Johnson was able to get you know,

692
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,479
Speaker 1: get that one tune out. It's funny. Yeah, yeah, when

693
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 1: you got it. If you ever talked to him, Jesse Johnson,

694
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: I love his guitar playing, man, love him.

695
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 4: Talked to him.

696
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but dig so like when Lenny Kravic's first like broke,

697
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: you know, there was that whole young heads who were like, oh,

698
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: we want to sound like dirty like the seventies. That's

699
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: something like there's a riot going on. But what really happened.

700
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: I mean what I remember back in the day is

701
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: like you know, by then, the drugs and everything and

702
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: taken hold and they were doing so many takes retakes.

703
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: It wasn't that they wore the tape out. That's why

704
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: it sounds so funky, That's what. That's what, Like, what's

705
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: the dude, brown Sugar, come on the Angelo? You know

706
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: that's what they were going for. Whoever that is? Man,

707
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: But you did, you know what I'm saying. But I

708
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 1: was there. I remember that ship. That's why, because it

709
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: was like they owed this album. They had done eight

710
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: hundred over dubs and at one point I think Slide

711
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: was recording on a boat in like Sosolito. That was

712
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: the story, you know whatever. Sixteen thirty two tracks and

713
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: just taping over, taping over, taping over. It's not good.

714
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 10: Yeah, but that's what they tell you you should not be.

715
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 10: You shouldn't print over anything, just in case any remnants

716
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 10: remain of the of the earlier takes. But maybe you

717
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 10: just wear the ship out. You get a certain sound

718
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 10: that way. Listen to it.

719
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: Listen to it. You can hear like like damn. But anyway,

720
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 1: I love Slide lovel.

721
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 5: There's a story of that. George Clinton always tells a sly.

722
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 5: The premise starts with Slide, David Ruffin and George Clinton.

723
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 5: Yeah the story and this story is great. The story

724
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 5: the way long story short is basically, uh, they found

725
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 5: uh a dealer guy, uh to hook him up with

726
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 5: stuff and pretty much uh sly new slacker charm. The

727
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 5: I mean, he can tell you the Brooklyn Bridge if

728
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 5: he wanted to. That's the kind of charm he had.

729
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 5: So Slide told the the dealer guy who was such

730
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 5: a massive Slide and Family Stone fan, you know, I

731
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 5: don't have the money on me, but this is what

732
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 5: I'm gonna do. I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna give

733
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 5: you the new unreleased Slide the Family Stone Masters.

734
00:41:58,400 --> 00:41:58,720
Speaker 1: Wow.

735
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 5: And he had ten masters. Everything's drawn out like song

736
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 5: titles and the tracking and the dB levels and all

737
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 5: the eqs. And he gave it to this guy and

738
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 5: something told George. Something told George Clinton to just level

739
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 5: with the guy and tell him. George went up to him,

740
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 5: was like, look, man, what I don't want is, you know,

741
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 5: to get unnecessarily shot over some So I just want

742
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 5: you to know that these things are blank.

743
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, was anything like, He's like, no,

744
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: these these are blank. Well I'm gonna I'm gonna pay

745
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: your money. Just give me a second. Well dig when

746
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: we did live in Color we did a sketch. It

747
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: was Kim Wayne to and I. It was you don't

748
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:53,720
Speaker 1: know that. Wait, No, here's the deal. Listen. My sister

749
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: was one of the was one of the gospel was

750
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: one of the gospel.

751
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 5: Sayings, Cynthia Rose or the younger one.

752
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: I don't please, I don't remember. It was one of them,

753
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: Cynthia one of them. Because I talked to her and

754
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: I said, oh my god, Slie's her face dropped and

755
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: went no, no, no, no, because I don't have any bad stories.

756
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 1: It's all about Slot. I love them. I just wanted

757
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: to say, I'm a big fan. I'm honored that you're

758
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: even here. I was. I couldn't believe it, man, I

759
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: couldn't believe.

760
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 5: Yeah.

761
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: But she was one of the gospel singers.

762
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, either Bellstone or or Roadstone.

763
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I forget now it was a million years ago.

764
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 1: But yeah, so that was a whole big circle love slide.

765
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 9: So you're you're like when you went to college, you

766
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 9: you Yale, right.

767
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: I did, but I did. My undergrad was at University

768
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,760
Speaker 1: of Mission where years ago Yale. I went to Yale

769
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: from seventy six to eighty one. I went from well,

770
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: seventy eight, seventy eight to eighty one. I went to

771
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: Michigan from seventy four to seventy eight.

772
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 4: So my Angela Bassett maybe, oh.

773
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: Angela was there the whole year. She's one of the

774
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: first people I met at Yale. And when I tell

775
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: you I was there, Reggie Cathy, he and I were

776
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: college college roommates Michigan. We're college roommates of Michigan. He

777
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: was a Detroit guy too. He was from you know,

778
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 1: he was from Huntsville, Alabama. But I met him as actors,

779
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: you know, University of Michigan. So we were roommates there.

780
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 1: I applied to Yelle. I told Reggie I was applying,

781
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 1: he applied to. We both got in. So that's how

782
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: we rolled up such.

783
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 5: An amazing voice.

784
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, he always said that he always had the voice.

785
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: But the problem was he was real skinny, dorky looking kid,

786
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: and he sounded like James Earl Jones. So we all knew, like, yeah, man,

787
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: come thirty two years brother, you just wait thirty two

788
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: years though. Yeah, he smoked. He always smoked, like forever,

789
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: all day and night. So yeahs So.

790
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 9: From the time you were at Yale, were you involved

791
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 9: in any like what you're doing theater?

792
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 5: Like how did you kind of get you went there?

793
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: I went to the acting school.

794
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 5: He was in school.

795
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, but but you know, Angela was undergraduate. So

796
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: we would do our little productions and like we did

797
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: this play a series of one acts about Lester Young

798
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: and Angela as an undergrad, we tapped her and she

799
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: would come and act with us. Charles Dutton came like

800
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: when I was in a sophomore I mean or like

801
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,919
Speaker 1: my second year because his graduate school he was there,

802
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: and so we all worked and stuff, and yeah, Angela,

803
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: I just saw her. Man, we're doing press. She's a

804
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: nine nine one one and I'm doing this other show.

805
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, She's what I'm saying is Angela was Angela

806
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: back then. I remember sitting backstage in this little funky

807
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: theater and I was like, so, what are you gonna do?

808
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: And She's like I don't know, And I'm like, you

809
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: don't know, like maybe you should be an actress. But

810
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 1: she had already been at Yale for four years, so

811
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: for her to stay another three, that's seven years she did,

812
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: which was its great because well Courtney was after I left,

813
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: after she left, but so uh I saw her do

814
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 1: antigony as a student and when they could have gave

815
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: her oscar then, I mean she just ripped it up.

816
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 5: I was like, damn, what was what was the Ivy

817
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 5: League experience like back then? Because I mean now it

818
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 5: seems like there's an adjustment. Like I went to Harvard

819
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 5: like a year and a half ago, and the students

820
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 5: seemed well adjusted and you know, like themselves funny.

821
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: You know it's funny. Yeah. Reggie and I when we

822
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: got there, we just I felt like and you know,

823
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 1: I felt like just a kid in a candy store, like,

824
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna run this motherfucker because we just

825
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: did what we wanted to do. I mean, we were

826
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: just running out there. But it was different for me

827
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 1: and my class as an actor, as a black actor. People,

828
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: black kids, students who were in the acting who came

829
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: to see us told us, you know when they were there,

830
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: they played butler's and maids. You know, that's it.

831
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 5: That's it.

832
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: That's it, that's it. That was it, you know. And

833
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: by the time we got there, we were doing everything.

834
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: I mean, because we were just like, no, give me

835
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: that said, now give me that, I'm gonna have a

836
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: piece of yo steak. I'm gonna take some of your fries.

837
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: We just did it. So that was a change over

838
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: this That's the only thing we knew and that's how

839
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: we moved in the world. But those older students who

840
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: had been there before us came back and they told us,

841
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: they were like, oh man, you all are living good.

842
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: This place has changed, and we just happened to come

843
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 1: in in that new wave and energy.

844
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 3: You know.

845
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: After that, then, black kids, it's still not as diverse.

846
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: It wasn't as diverse back then as it could have been. No,

847
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: I don't remember. There were Asian students, but not really actors,

848
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: you know, not that I remember of brown, Hispanic, not

849
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: none of that, I think, But you know, a couple

850
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: of black kids.

851
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 5: What was Charles that's done like back then? My favorite man.

852
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 1: Well, there was a woman that was in my classroom

853
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: name is Eazy Monk, and she knew Charles because they

854
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: went to Towson State. Yeah, Charles came in, Rock came in,

855
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: and we just yeah, we kicked it real hard. And

856
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: he was just a beautiful dude.

857
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 5: Man.

858
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: I mean he still is. I haven't talked to him

859
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: in a while, but he came in with such a

860
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: force of nature, you know. I mean if you if

861
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: you ever got to see him on stage, he would

862
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 1: just rip it up. But he really was a great guy.

863
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: I mean, like, if you befriended him, that's a friend

864
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,479
Speaker 1: for life. I mean, he came from some real ship.

865
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 1: I'm not really gonna tell his stories because that's for

866
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: him to tell that, but I mean yeah, but I

867
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: mean he's written about it.

868
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 5: Before he went to prison or was it it was after?

869
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: It after? It was after? But see, the story was

870
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: like when I first met Rock, I was like, that's

871
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 1: meeting me and Reggie. So what's up man? What they

872
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: put you in there for? Now? The story told us

873
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: at the time. He said, well, I got busted for

874
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: possession of bank paraphernalia and we were like, yeah, so

875
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: the police caught him and you know that means like

876
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: bank money and the accouterments of robbery, you know, and

877
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 1: that they put him in jail for that. So that

878
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: was the story that we got. And uh, you know,

879
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,760
Speaker 1: if Rock's talking to you, you will accept that story.

880
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not gonna be like I object question,

881
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: you know. And later we found out, you know, after

882
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 1: he came out and he did My Rainey's Black Bottom,

883
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: the story was I think maybe a tabloid was threatening

884
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: to expose him, you know, about what he really did,

885
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: and Rock just gave an interview and just you know,

886
00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: his own story. Yeah, got in front of it. So

887
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 1: that that's when I really heard the other half of it.

888
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: And I was like, damn at that.

889
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 3: Just at the time for you, when you were at Yale,

890
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 3: what was really floating your boat and moving your passion

891
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:14,240
Speaker 3: because you're such a multifaceted actor, funny person, in music

892
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 3: person as well as kind of like.

893
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: Well at that point, I mean, I was my passion

894
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: was acting and what I always did from Michigan. Again,

895
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 1: when I started acting at Michigan, they had the Black

896
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 1: Kids and we had this one it was called Black Theater,

897
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: and you know, it's very much an extension of the

898
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 1: sixties that black arts movement, studying black playwrights and putting

899
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: on these plays. But the culture at Michigan was such

900
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: that they did one black production a year, and all

901
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: the Black kids would wait for that production. Well, soon

902
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: as I hit the ground, I was auditioned for everything

903
00:50:55,160 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: Jacobean tragedies, Uh, you know, parlor mysteries. I mean, Lady

904
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: Olivia Man. I approached it, you know what I mean,

905
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming in, buddy. But my thing was like,

906
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep auditioning. Man, You're not gonna you know,

907
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 1: you're not gonna deny me forever. And I auditioned for everything.

908
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 1: Uh it was Othello, it was and my professor, Vaughan

909
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: Washington played Othello, but me Reggie was in it, and

910
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: uh so we were in there. I'll tell you a

911
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: funny story. So every night, you know, at the very

912
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: end of Otello, you know, the whole company comes in.

913
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 1: It's a fellow's death scene. But soft you a word

914
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: before you go. I've done the state some service.

915
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 5: You know.

916
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: It goes on and on. Now. Usually we'd be standing

917
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: on the stairs because me and Reggie we had like

918
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: three lines. I remember my life a messenger from the galleys.

919
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: Here's more news. Reggie had some ship. So we would

920
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: be fucking around and we'd be like, were we gonna

921
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: hang out tonight? Man, We're going to pizza Hud or

922
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 1: bloody bloody blue. So every night we'd be kicking it, like, yeah,

923
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do, man, whatever? And so I look

924
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: over and see Reggie and I'm like, I'm asking, man,

925
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: what's up, what we're gonna do tonight? And he wouldn't answer,

926
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: and I look at him and he's just blubberd crying.

927
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the fuck is going on? Man? He

928
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: looked at me and he said, the motherfucker got to me, man, going,

929
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 1: I know all of you. You know, you know, I

930
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: know you, you know you know. He gives this big

931
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 1: monologue in it cracked me the fuck up. I can't

932
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: help you, man, some words on my ship's fucking me up. Man.

933
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 9: From the time that you after, like othello and your

934
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 9: time at Yale, how did you what was kind of

935
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 9: one of your first breaks or you know, what did

936
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 9: you do in between them?

937
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 1: Well, my first job I played Jackie Robinson on Broadway.

938
00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: It was in a musical called The First. That was

939
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: my first professional job. I started auditioning while I was

940
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: still in my final year at Yale because the casting

941
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: directors for the First were the same people who cast

942
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: the repertory theater there, and they said they came to

943
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: me and they said, well, do you mind if we

944
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: submit you. I was like, fuck you guy. So it

945
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: was over months and months, and as a matter of fact,

946
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: the guy who wrote the lyrics and directed Annie the

947
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: music O, Martin Sharnan, was directing and co writing the

948
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: first with Joel Siegel. Martin Sharton, he's eighty five. I

949
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 1: just did Daddy Warbucks at the Hollywood Bowl. Martin came

950
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: to see me, and you know, Alan Johnson passed away.

951
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: These people are dropping like flies. So here's what I did.

952
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 1: I got Martin in my dressing room, my closes door.

953
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: I said, listen, man, I'm not gonna post on Facebook. Okay,

954
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna wait to you dead. I just want

955
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: to tell you now I love you. You started my career.

956
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: He really pulled me out of school, and you gave

957
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: me my first break, you know, and I appreciate you

958
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: and I love you. Let's get this pound in now

959
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: while we're alive and breathing. So that was fun. That

960
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: was good to know. Yeah, so that was my first job.

961
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: We ran like three weeks. But what year was this,

962
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,240
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one? Oh wow?

963
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 5: Yeah?

964
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 1: Dream Girls had come in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember

965
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: sitting in there. We used to hang out this place

966
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: called Corumbas, and these three finance black girls come in.

967
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: They're like the dreamers. That's going to be a hit.

968
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:44,760
Speaker 1: And there was Loretta Divine, Kelly Ralph, Jennifer All, Jennifer Yeah,

969
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: Jennifer Lewis. Jennifer Lewis was in it too. Yeah she

970
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: not not when I was in there, but Jennifer Lewis

971
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 1: was again. Jennifer Lewis was Jennifer Lewis back in eighty one.

972
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 5: She's one of the first. Yeah. Yeah.

973
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: She worked with Workshop the World of and then yeah,

974
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: oh yeah, and they worked off for like three years.

975
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: I mean it was long. And so by the time

976
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: I came in and took over for Cleveant Dereks while

977
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 1: he was on vacation. And then I stayed and stood

978
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:14,280
Speaker 1: by and you know, making that money man, that Broadway money.

979
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 1: But that's how I brought good money to me back then.

980
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: And eighty one college my college a couple of grand.

981
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: It was a couple of grand a week. Man. Please,

982
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: I was big. I thought I was rich. I had

983
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: I had a nineteen and sony train. How dare you

984
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: looking up and down? Looking up and down. Man. I

985
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: had this jay. I had this green and blue Nike

986
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: tracksuit that I bought on one hundred and twenty fifth Street.

987
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: This ship was fly baby. I would that I'd like.

988
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:47,839
Speaker 5: It was.

989
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: It was hell. Yeah, I thought I was Flushing living

990
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 1: in the city I lived, you know, I lived in

991
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: like a little apartment up on one hundred and third,

992
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventh and Broadway, and then I moved

993
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: to my own joint and like this is duplex, but

994
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,879
Speaker 1: it really was an apartment. They cut a hole in it,

995
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 1: and yeah, I was right next to the furnace, you know,

996
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: like it used to be coal. So I actually my

997
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: my bedroom was the old coal bind whatever you call that.

998
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: But but again I was like Upper east Side Ni duplex. Man.

999
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 5: The thing is is that I and I've heard in

1000
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 5: past interviews where you're like, you know, I started out

1001
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 5: a serious actor and everything, but where do you is it?

1002
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 5: Your theory that comedy really depends on how good your

1003
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 5: timing is, because I would have if had I not

1004
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 5: known your serious back background and acting, I would have

1005
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 5: thought that, you know, you were in a like a

1006
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 5: groundlings or a way I.

1007
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: Was, you know, I started doing I mean we did

1008
00:56:56,080 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: a stand up show at Yale, and clearly I was

1009
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: enamored with comedy. When we were doing Porgy and Best,

1010
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: a woman came and gave me the playbill from the

1011
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 1: first and when I looked at my bio, I had

1012
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 1: no credits. This is my first professional job. But what

1013
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: I put down there is David has appeared in comedy

1014
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: clubs across the nation. And you know so clearly spot

1015
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: because you gotta figure Eddie Murphy had just it was

1016
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: just about to come on. All the energy was in comedy.

1017
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: I snuck down and performed like open mics a couple

1018
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: times at the Improv in Manhattan and I met Keenan there.

1019
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: That's actually the first place I met him. This gotta

1020
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: be eighty wow, seventy nine or eighty yeah. And I

1021
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: waited in line and he was the only regular that

1022
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: would talk to me. And I was like, dude, what

1023
00:57:57,720 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: should I do? And he said, okay, well I'll watch.

1024
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: You know. I went on like two in the morning.

1025
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: Basically you get three minutes. So I just yelled and

1026
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: scream did some car wheels and Keen was like, okay,

1027
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: will you have energy?

1028
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 5: And Keene he was a coming. He would go up

1029
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 5: then he was. He was working up.

1030
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: Man, he was already I mean he was. When I

1031
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: say he was a regular, that means you know, you passed, well,

1032
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: you passed this audition and so you were able to

1033
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 1: do spots. That's how the old system.

1034
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 5: He was just a regular.

1035
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 1: No no, no, no. A regular means he stood in line until

1036
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: the owner goes, okay, you are pasted. That means you

1037
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: get spots and all that. The rest of us were

1038
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: just out there. So uh yeah, man, So clearly, to

1039
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: answer your question, I've always been a class clown. I've

1040
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: always been this dude. But I was just trying to

1041
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: be like, you know, like because back then I wanted

1042
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: to be like the black doctor or lawyer. So when

1043
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 1: Denzel got Saint elsewhere, we all auditioned. I auditioned everybody.

1044
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: Man scuple please, she needs to have her appendix taken out.

1045
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 1: You know, he got it. But we all auditioned, and

1046
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 1: then you know, I did Soldiers play the Man. This

1047
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: was after the first and that's where I met Adel Caesar,

1048
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: Sam Jackson, Sam. Let me tell you about Sam. Oh

1049
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: my god. We had all the dudes wet. We shared

1050
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: one big room and there was this twelve inch TV

1051
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: black and white TV that was in the corner and

1052
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 1: they watched Family Feud every day and Sam Jackson ruled

1053
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: that dressing room talked about comment y, I will save

1054
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: this actor's name. But one time understudy went on and

1055
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: Sam was just rare. It's like, motherfucker, what was you doing? Nigga?

1056
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: What the fuck was that? And you know he kept

1057
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: going at him and to douing, fuck you, Sam, and Sam,

1058
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 1: we're not missing a be said, fore you put your

1059
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 1: dick in me. You need to put your dick in

1060
00:59:58,520 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: the second act.

1061
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 4: Man, listen to me.

1062
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: I ran out the bill ding, I ran out the building.

1063
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 1: Adolph Caesar, he was, yeah, he's putting this makeup with.

1064
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: Sam was in the corners like, man, what the fuck

1065
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 1: is you doing with this old kabookie makeup? ONDI motherfucker he' here.

1066
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, the rest of us were sweaty, funky. We'd

1067
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: just be like, I'm ready. What was Adolf like? As

1068
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: a as an?

1069
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 5: That guy?

1070
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 1: My god, we loved Adolf. Adolph Caesar, man, please, he

1071
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,919
Speaker 1: was first of all, a little short, light skinned dude

1072
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: grew up in Harlem named Adolph Caesar. Yeah, what parent

1073
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 1: would name Adolph.

1074
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 5: Caesar in the early nine Yeah.

1075
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: Man, but Adolph had great sorges. I mean I talked

1076
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 1: to him. I remember he said, you know, he was

1077
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: caught in a trick bag, whereas he was not black

1078
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: enough in Hugh, because when you know black consciousness the sixties,

1079
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 1: all that big ass afros, chocolate brown skin. He didn't

1080
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 1: fit in that mold. Yet he wasn't white enough. He

1081
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 1: described going to the Guthrie as a young actor and

1082
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: Tyrone Guthrie and white. They sent him home. They said, Adolf,

1083
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 1: we really we don't have anything for you. So you

1084
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 1: need to go back to New York, you know, because

1085
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 1: we can't really help you. And uh so that was

1086
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 1: really a poignant story. And when he came in he

1087
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 1: had been on a roll. But Sergeant Waters listen.

1088
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 9: Man, Okay, so who was because a soldier story? Like

1089
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 9: that's one of my favorite movies. I used to watch

1090
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 9: that coming home from school, like that was like my

1091
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 9: babysitter and I.

1092
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 1: Didn't think we'd get into it. Sam didn't get in

1093
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah I was, I say, because yeah, who was Sam?

1094
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 1: Who was Sam? You know Sam? I think they, as

1095
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: I remember, they wrote his character out like he was

1096
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 1: good because his character would always read all his love letters,

1097
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 1: you know, from all his girlfriends. That wasn't in the movie,

1098
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 1: but to watch it. Okay, So Reggie Cathy, he called

1099
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 1: me up. He said, look, man, there's a part for

1100
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 1: you in Soldier Story because Soldiers play. Yeah, Larry Riley

1101
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 1: who played he played play guitar, played slide. You know,

1102
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 1: everybody knew I played guitar. And he's like, man, you

1103
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 1: could kill this. So I went over there and I

1104
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 1: got the part immediately in the play. Yes, first, the

1105
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 1: first first play. The play came first, so you know

1106
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 1: people would come. But you know, at that time, I

1107
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 1: didn't think any of us would get in to the

1108
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 1: movie because I just thought they would use Hollywood actors

1109
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 1: and but Norman Jewison auditioned all of us and he

1110
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 1: put us in there. Man.

1111
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, so what was that experience? Like?

1112
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 9: Man, like working with great Howard Rollins, I mean that

1113
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 9: was yeah, it was, man.

1114
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 1: You know Howard most of it was. You know, that

1115
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 1: was a six million dollar movie and that the vibe

1116
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 1: around it, you know, everybody was like, don't fuck up.

1117
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 1: You know, this is your big not since Bingle Long

1118
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 1: and the Traveling All Stars.

1119
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 5: You know, this.

1120
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 1: Is gonna be Black Panther, you know, nineteen eighty one

1121
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: version saw.

1122
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 5: It watching but it was just like you're gonna watch

1123
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 5: this movie.

1124
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 1: No, we hung out. I mean it was a brotherhood, man, Denzel.

1125
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 1: Everybody was putting in work. But the story one to

1126
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 1: tell you. When I finally met Eddie Murphy, Eddie said,

1127
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 1: the first time you ever saw me was in a

1128
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 1: soldier story. And he didn't know me, He didn't know

1129
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 1: who I was. He said, Dude, when you came on,

1130
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 1: he said, who the fuck is this country ass? Dude?

1131
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: Where the fuck did they get him from? You know,

1132
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 1: because we're all doing the Southern accents, which was a

1133
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 1: great compliment. But it was funny. Yeah, ce j don't

1134
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 1: talk quick talking. Yeah, No, we had big fun and

1135
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 1: Norman Judson was beautiful man. Yeah, man, it was.

1136
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 9: Nice second movie to my son's did I mean, I

1137
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 9: used to watch it as a kid, but it didn't

1138
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 9: really resonate until you know, I got older and really understood.

1139
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 5: But yeah, that that was a class. That's one of

1140
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 5: my favorite.

1141
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: It was big fun, man, big fun. We went fishing,

1142
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 1: We did everything man in that little ass, funky fucking

1143
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 1: Arkansas man. Yeah, oh damn fort Smith, Arkansas. One location

1144
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 1: for Smith, Arkansas. You have three months, So what was it?

1145
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 5: Oh? I was going to ask, what, uh, what was

1146
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:32,919
Speaker 5: the first television thing that you did?

1147
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 1: As far as the first television thing I did is

1148
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 1: I did a presentation, a pilot presentation that's like a

1149
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 1: fifteen minute presentation, and it was me and two white guys.

1150
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 1: David Steinberg directed it, and it was for CBS, and

1151
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 1: you know, it was just some innocuous comedy. But I

1152
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 1: remember I would call CBS every day and there's this

1153
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 1: cute Puerto Rican two who worked at the reception. I'd

1154
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 1: be like, because I wanted to know if a show

1155
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: got picked up. I had a pad and pencil I

1156
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 1: was at calculating. I said, shit, if this bad WI

1157
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,919
Speaker 1: gets picked up, you know, fifteen thousand a week, I'll

1158
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 1: be a thousand ares lush. Yeah. It didn't get picked up.

1159
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 1: So that was the first thing I did, you know.

1160
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 1: But the first show I did was called All This Forgiven.

1161
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 1: That was in nineteen eighty six, and it was the

1162
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 1: Charles Brothers who did Cheers. That was their first show

1163
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 1: after that. So again I was like, well I was

1164
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 1: at the Ferrari dealership. Well yeah, notoriously. I had a calculator.

1165
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 1: I'm like in two and a half years, you know.

1166
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 1: So that's what we did, and we got an order

1167
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 1: for thirteen and Dick I was telling people when I

1168
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: was on The Carmichael Show, talk about ratings, and we

1169
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:58,440
Speaker 1: looked it up. We followed cheers. So our premiere week

1170
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 1: we pulled in twenty million viewers and at that time

1171
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 1: the network was like what yeah, because and at that

1172
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 1: time it's like you held it, but yeah, and when

1173
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 1: they canceled us, we were pulling in like eighteen million. Yeah,

1174
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 1: we had an order for thirteen. We did nine episodes,

1175
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 1: and you know, then they took it. They had a

1176
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 1: big meeting and they said, listen, we're so good. We're

1177
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 1: not going to do the rest of our order because

1178
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 1: we don't need it. And I was like, wow, nigga.

1179
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 1: I was on the phone immediately the ship is sinking.

1180
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 1: That was like going, hey, dog, we're gonna record this album.

1181
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 1: We're not gonna release it because it's so good. People

1182
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 1: will find it. And you're like, no, man, like a

1183
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 1: Perroro remix album, box it okay, everything.

1184
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 9: Whatever, How did you So from the time from the Soldier.

1185
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 4: Story, I was just laughing at it was fast.

1186
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: Oh no, from the time of a Soldier story to

1187
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 1: you know, you're doing the positive how are you supporting yourself?

1188
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 5: Were you still just doing theater?

1189
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 1: I always worked, I mean I never I only did theater.

1190
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean I only did acting. So I

1191
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 1: was doing everything in my whole But but my parents

1192
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 1: never helped me. It was just money.

1193
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 5: Wow.

1194
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 1: Well I was single, costly just gig that gig, that gig,

1195
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 1: that gig. I mean, that was my reality as you

1196
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 1: know older, like you know, there are people would mentor me.

1197
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 1: I remember Anna Marie Horsford had a sister who was

1198
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 1: like at Columbia, and Columbia did Soldier story and I

1199
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 1: remember I was eating, you know, at her house. She

1200
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:45,440
Speaker 1: had this really nice apartment West End Avenue, and they

1201
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 1: were asking me back then, They're like, you know, well

1202
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 1: you'll know when you're out of work. And I was like,

1203
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 1: I've never been out of work, and they're like, oh

1204
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 1: my god, this is motherfucker. I'm not saying I was

1205
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 1: doing like you know, I just was working. We're doing

1206
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 1: everything we do, voistovers, commercial, you know anything.

1207
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 9: Man, how did you get how did you get hooked

1208
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:08,440
Speaker 9: up with Hollywood Shuffle.

1209
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 5: How did you get that?

1210
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 1: Well, Robert Townsend. I met Robert Townsend on Soldiers Play Soldier.

1211
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 1: We shared that honey We shared a honey wagon. So

1212
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 1: I will tell you like I thought, Robert was the

1213
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: funniest dude I ever in the world. Like he was

1214
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 1: doing everybody's material, you know, like he was doing he said, yeah,

1215
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:33,559
Speaker 1: it's my boy, Damon, and he did all the more

1216
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 1: money ship and I'd be like crying, like, who the

1217
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:38,599
Speaker 1: fuck me and him? Him and Denzel were always already

1218
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 1: tight and just crying. I'm talking about fifteen hours a day,

1219
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:47,640
Speaker 1: you know, when you're young. We couldn't get enough. We

1220
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 1: would make each other laugh until we just passed our sleep.

1221
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,760
Speaker 1: I remember sitting on the bed in I think it

1222
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:58,640
Speaker 1: was Denzel's room and watching Keenan on Soul Train, you know,

1223
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 1: do and on the Night Show when he did his

1224
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:05,800
Speaker 1: first spot. He was in the centerfold of Right On Magazine,

1225
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 1: you know. But Robert broke it down to me in

1226
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 1: our little trail. He said, look, man, we're gonna have

1227
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:13,959
Speaker 1: a film company, him and Keenan. We're doing these movies

1228
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 1: we're doing. So he broke it all down there. He said, man,

1229
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 1: if you down, don't want you to do this, you know,

1230
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:22,720
Speaker 1: Hollywood Shuffle and all that stuff. So I heard about it,

1231
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 1: and when I came out for to do my pilot

1232
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:29,760
Speaker 1: season that following year, I stayed with Robert and he

1233
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:34,639
Speaker 1: introduced me to Keenan Damon, who Damon was the size

1234
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 1: of like Marlin, like like one, and Damon always had

1235
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 1: kids like he had kids. From the first time I

1236
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 1: met him, I was like, damn, yeah, yeah, so dig

1237
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:53,600
Speaker 1: So that led to I'm gonna show you how I

1238
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 1: get to got to live in color So Keenan, all

1239
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 1: those guys knew me just from hanging out. So I

1240
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 1: would hang out with them every and go to these

1241
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 1: comedy clubs. I didn't do comedy until Robert and those

1242
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 1: guys just shamed me into it. They were like, look, man,

1243
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 1: you can't be just rolling with us. You gotta do spots.

1244
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 1: So I started doing spots just for fun and uh

1245
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 1: so through that, Keenan knew me, you know. So when

1246
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:21,519
Speaker 1: we did I'm Gonna get you, sucker, and that broke

1247
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 1: Keenan was like, look, I know how funny you are.

1248
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 5: Wait what did you do? I'm trying to play the

1249
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 5: news again.

1250
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:31,560
Speaker 1: That was basically.

1251
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:37,680
Speaker 5: He was the one that was in the Springsteen I.

1252
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 3: Was.

1253
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:44,639
Speaker 1: I was like, bre Springsteen is amazing. You guys heard

1254
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 1: him because he's really good. Yeah, so so they Basically

1255
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 1: Keena just said do you think so? So he goes,

1256
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 1: look look man, I'm doing this show. You know, this

1257
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 1: sketch show, black sketch show. I want you to be

1258
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:01,759
Speaker 1: on it. Now. Robert already we had been talking about

1259
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:04,680
Speaker 1: The Five Heartbeats. Now the original cast was supposed to

1260
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 1: be me, Denzel, I think, Damon, No, Keenan, and Robert.

1261
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:16,679
Speaker 1: So I got in long story short, I got in

1262
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 1: in living color. And then Robert called and said, man,

1263
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 1: I got the money. We're doing the Five Heartbeats. I'm

1264
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:24,760
Speaker 1: like what. I was like, shit, I gotta get out

1265
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 1: this deal. He said, man, what the fuck? Why'd you

1266
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 1: sign the deal?

1267
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 5: You know?

1268
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 1: And I called Keenan. I was like, Keenan, I need

1269
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 1: to talk to you because I'm very unhappy about this contract.

1270
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:36,800
Speaker 1: I need to be let go to do this movie.

1271
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 1: He was like, dude, I can't. I mean, you signed

1272
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 1: a contract. It's not me. I mean Fox will sue,

1273
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:43,640
Speaker 1: you know, saying I don't think you want me in

1274
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 1: your show I'm going to be very angry. Was like, Dave, look,

1275
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 1: shake it off. I mean I wish I could help you,

1276
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 1: but I could. I mean, I was just it was

1277
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 1: one of those things. So I didn't do it. Keenan

1278
01:11:58,280 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 1: couldn't do it, Damon didn't do it.

1279
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 4: Who were you supposed to be?

1280
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:03,599
Speaker 1: I forgot, I honestly forget which.

1281
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:09,639
Speaker 5: One of those dudes. But yeah, who's the original lineup again?

1282
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 1: Me by you know, Robert Townsend, Damon, Keenan, Denzel, who

1283
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:23,600
Speaker 1: who would have been? I mean, well, there's a documentary

1284
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 1: that I haven't seen.

1285
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 5: Yet but were working.

1286
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe maybe it's in there. But yeah, so all

1287
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:33,719
Speaker 1: that and like, uh yeah it was Wold.

1288
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:36,920
Speaker 3: So when ahead, no, I was just going to say,

1289
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 3: it's it's deep because you worked with so many like

1290
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:43,640
Speaker 3: dope ensemble casts that I just I was going to

1291
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 3: ask you, like, what who has challenged you the most

1292
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:46,799
Speaker 3: and the best ways?

1293
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 5: Is that obvious?

1294
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 1: It was because you know, coming in doing Living Color,

1295
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:57,759
Speaker 1: I did not have a comedy background. I mean, you know, Keenan, Damon,

1296
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 1: all those guys were in the trenches. They can came

1297
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 1: in with their pockets full. I didn't any characters. Damon

1298
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:06,559
Speaker 1: actually came to me. That's how Calhoun Tubbs was written.

1299
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 1: He said, look, man, you gotta have some characters to

1300
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 1: think of something, you know. I was like, well, there's

1301
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 1: this blues dude, and he said, let's write it down.

1302
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 1: So we came up with that. Then we did men On,

1303
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 1: so it just kind of built. Yeah, it kind of built.

1304
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:24,800
Speaker 1: I forgot, But originally that was Keenanan Damon, and they

1305
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 1: were supposed to be Dicky and somebody their brothers, you know,

1306
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 1: and they're gonna be and then Stephens and REESI was listen,

1307
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:33,639
Speaker 1: wait a minute, who was it? It was the dudes

1308
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 1: from Motown, the writers, So that was what it was

1309
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:39,840
Speaker 1: based on, but a ghetto ass version of it.

1310
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 5: And Howard tis the third based on.

1311
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 1: Real people because when when Little Color first popped, I mean,

1312
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 1: dudes would just hang out and I remember sitting in

1313
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 1: the makeup room and dudes would just roll in be like,

1314
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 1: oh look here, brother, can you give this card to Damien?

1315
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:58,639
Speaker 1: And then you know, you know, you know how black

1316
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 1: folks do a lot of it. There was a table

1317
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 1: that was in our rehearsal studio and we would have

1318
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 1: breakfast and then we start our day and most of

1319
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 1: those characters started. We were just ragging on each other,

1320
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:13,320
Speaker 1: you know, And that was one of those things where me,

1321
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:15,719
Speaker 1: everybody would do it because we all saw those guys

1322
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 1: until finally, after a few days, you'd be like, yo, man,

1323
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 1: that shit is funny. You need to put that on

1324
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:22,680
Speaker 1: the show. So that's kind of how it evolved. And

1325
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:23,759
Speaker 1: then it was me and Tommy.

1326
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:25,800
Speaker 5: Man, how often did y'all crack up?

1327
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 9: Because like some of my funniest times watching even Color

1328
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:31,639
Speaker 9: was watching y'all about to last suck up.

1329
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:33,400
Speaker 5: Dude, that shit was so funny.

1330
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:36,599
Speaker 1: There's a sketch who I saw a while ago because

1331
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:38,599
Speaker 1: I remember we were doing it and I was tired.

1332
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 1: It was late. I'm like, man, they ain't gonna tape

1333
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 1: this shit, and Terry the director goes got it and

1334
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, what I told you, We were taping it.

1335
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:50,800
Speaker 1: So I was watching what is sitch? You see me

1336
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 1: in there? Like because I thought we were rehearsing. Man,

1337
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 1: I was like, oh shit, she was right.

1338
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 5: Where did prison tiny come from? I did?

1339
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 1: I wrote that with Like I went to college with

1340
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:11,080
Speaker 1: this guy fax Bar and he was white dude, and

1341
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:13,640
Speaker 1: he was in our theater company. Like way back we

1342
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 1: did short eyes and stuff. So I brought him and

1343
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:19,479
Speaker 1: his writing partner onto the show and he me and

1344
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 1: him and Adam Small we all wrote the prison Cable

1345
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 1: Channel Networks. And the reason why it was so much

1346
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:28,400
Speaker 1: fun is because if you look back the first one, especially,

1347
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 1: everybody was in it. He didn't really didn't. He would,

1348
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:33,599
Speaker 1: he would do stuff, but he was in it. Jim

1349
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 1: was in it, everybody all together, and that's what made

1350
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 1: it so fun because usually it would be like, you know,

1351
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:41,760
Speaker 1: this is your sketch. You know, I don't know microphone man,

1352
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:44,400
Speaker 1: and we do smaller stuff and support you and go on.

1353
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:47,640
Speaker 1: But to get everybody down and that was what was

1354
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 1: fun about it.

1355
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:53,639
Speaker 5: How did because of the kind of the rapid level

1356
01:15:53,720 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 5: of how that show just exploded across America? How different

1357
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 5: was your life after season one?

1358
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 1: Well, I'll give you an example. I auditioned for a

1359
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 1: Living Color with Chris Rock. We did our final like

1360
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 1: this improvs me and him and Susie Esmond. Susie Susie

1361
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 1: didn't really want to do this, so she's like, you guys,

1362
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:22,600
Speaker 1: do it. I don't really want to do No. She

1363
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,000
Speaker 1: wanted to stay. She was I'm not moving to l A.

1364
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:28,479
Speaker 5: I want to who watch the audition for the show.

1365
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 1: Martin, Martin, Martin, Lawrence Audi. I auditioned with Martin. Me

1366
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 1: and him were friends from way back, and he didn't

1367
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:37,559
Speaker 1: get it, so he would come in. No, he didn't

1368
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:37,840
Speaker 1: get it.

1369
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 5: So wait, other people auditioned for this. I felt like

1370
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 5: you eleven were specifically chosen.

1371
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:47,040
Speaker 1: Well, we were, but still there was an audition process.

1372
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:49,880
Speaker 1: Martin auditioned and.

1373
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 5: Everybody from the Comedy Act Theory.

1374
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:54,679
Speaker 1: No, not everybody.

1375
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 5: Robin Harrison he was on. At one point, I feel like, no, no, no, no, no,

1376
01:16:58,840 --> 01:16:59,080
Speaker 5: no no.

1377
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:03,799
Speaker 1: But but I went to the Comediac Theater a million times.

1378
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 1: I performed there a million times. I saw Robin, you know,

1379
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 1: a trillion times. No, as I remember, he was not

1380
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:12,599
Speaker 1: on it. But I just I'm telling you. I auditioned

1381
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:18,960
Speaker 1: with Martin. I auditioned with Chris Rock. Chris did Saturday

1382
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 1: Night Live. So I went to visit Chris. And that's

1383
01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 1: when I really thought, well, damn shit, I guess I'm

1384
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:27,599
Speaker 1: doing something, because you know, everybody at Saturday Night treated

1385
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 1: me like I was famous. You know, Lauren Michael's they

1386
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:32,920
Speaker 1: were like, oh my god, you know, the whole cast,

1387
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 1: they were like, dude, well, you know, they're treated me

1388
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:38,600
Speaker 1: like I was about some shit. And I was like,

1389
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 1: damn man, because you know when we did a living color,

1390
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:44,559
Speaker 1: we would you know, we would do our work, then

1391
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:47,720
Speaker 1: we would go have Thai food or go hang out

1392
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:50,600
Speaker 1: at Cate Mantalini's. That was a big joint on Wheelshire.

1393
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:54,800
Speaker 1: It's closed now, but and then we go home. It

1394
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 1: wasn't you know when you go to Saturday Night Live,

1395
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 1: they got limos after party Hopper Rozzi. Nah, man, I

1396
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 1: got my little I forget what I had. My father

1397
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:10,919
Speaker 1: gave me a chocolate brown nineteen eighty one Coop Deville. Wow,

1398
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 1: and you could outrun that motherfucker. Yeah, it was not

1399
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:19,240
Speaker 1: like that, you know. So so coming to visit Chris

1400
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:21,240
Speaker 1: and I was like, Chris, is it like this all

1401
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:24,360
Speaker 1: the time? He said, yeah, man, yeah, So Chris came

1402
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 1: on after that, he came Lady, Yeah, he came later.

1403
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:35,680
Speaker 1: But Chris. I knew Chris since probably nineteen fuck, I

1404
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 1: don't know eighty something.

1405
01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:39,479
Speaker 5: Where did y'all come up with the little Miss Magic?

1406
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 1: It was a picture walking in Little Magic. It was

1407
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 1: at the back of it.

1408
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 5: It was given kim right.

1409
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:50,720
Speaker 1: It was, yeah, the back of a Jet magazine. We

1410
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:52,640
Speaker 1: found this picture of this little black girl. It was

1411
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:56,920
Speaker 1: so obnoxious because she was like, we just started riffing.

1412
01:18:57,120 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 1: We just I forget who named it a little magic,

1413
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:02,599
Speaker 1: but it was Kim And I didn't want to play

1414
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 1: the mom because I was like, why are you putting

1415
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 1: on this drag ship? And then listen, motherfucker, I have

1416
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 1: the dress on. Okay, it's like, well ship, let me

1417
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:13,840
Speaker 1: just gonna do it. Because we would play around the stuff.

1418
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:16,200
Speaker 1: So that's how that happened. I mean, it's just a

1419
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 1: lot of it's very organic. You know, if we made

1420
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 1: each other laugh, then it was obvious you got to

1421
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:23,760
Speaker 1: do that. You got to make a sketch out of that.

1422
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 5: So all right, so here's something I always wanted to know.

1423
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 4: That's what I was what happened to her.

1424
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 1: I was trying to get married.

1425
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 4: She acted, she was like the first many seasons she was.

1426
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 1: The wasn't she the whole show? I mean she mean

1427
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:49,080
Speaker 1: because Alexandra, well Kelly was there from the beginning, hilarious,

1428
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 1: Well she want. I mean, it's like anything. I mean,

1429
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 1: Keenan said something really funny, like when it first popped off,

1430
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 1: he said, look, I'm gonna tell you what's gonna happen.

1431
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 1: Somebody's gonna cheat on their wife, somebody's gonna fuck, somebody's

1432
01:19:59,880 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 1: go girlfriend, somebody's gonna have a drug problem, somebody's gonna

1433
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:05,960
Speaker 1: come out the closets, and you know all that stuff.

1434
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:10,680
Speaker 1: It's what happens in every group basically. And basically that's

1435
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 1: what happened. I mean, you know, you you you, you

1436
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:15,320
Speaker 1: get a groove going, it's really famous, and then you

1437
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:17,559
Speaker 1: know people want more. You have more lines than me.

1438
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:20,240
Speaker 1: You know, that's the kind of stuff. So that's basically

1439
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:25,240
Speaker 1: what happened. And it just once Keenan left. He left

1440
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 1: after the second year.

1441
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:30,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just felt like he was there longer.

1442
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:32,760
Speaker 1: But no, you're right, no, but but what we all

1443
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 1: stayed and then the Waiyans gradually, I think Damon left

1444
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 1: and then so it was Kim and Sean and you

1445
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:46,000
Speaker 1: know so and it just kind of dissipated after that.

1446
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 5: What I want to do is, Okay, so when you

1447
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:56,519
Speaker 5: were in your your bag and in your zone with

1448
01:20:56,720 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 5: doing like Broadway and occasional movies whatever, and you had

1449
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:04,600
Speaker 5: you said like you weren't super broken, you didn't have

1450
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:07,320
Speaker 5: to get a regular job. You made a modest living.

1451
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 5: But okay, so when you're on a cultural phenomenon like

1452
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 5: Living Color and you're in LA and you make that

1453
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:23,599
Speaker 5: decision to jump into the river, which is like, Okay,

1454
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:28,559
Speaker 5: you're making good money and the show looks like it's

1455
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:30,840
Speaker 5: going to be a hit, so you're probably saying to yourself, Okay,

1456
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:33,439
Speaker 5: this should be no reason why we're not on the

1457
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 5: air for at least seven years or whatever. So how

1458
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:44,560
Speaker 5: risky is it to really lay down roots in Los Angeles?

1459
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:47,599
Speaker 5: As in, I'm going to hit show? Do I get

1460
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:50,200
Speaker 5: the ball out the car? Do I do I get

1461
01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:54,479
Speaker 5: the you know, I'm giving an example I'm given is that, Okay,

1462
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 5: when Ugly Betty was on the air and it was

1463
01:21:57,520 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 5: such a hit and all that stuff, a mayor could

1464
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:03,920
Speaker 5: purchase this house and everything, and then like it got

1465
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:06,800
Speaker 5: canceled in three years and she couldn't sell that house

1466
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:09,080
Speaker 5: for shit, it took nine years. Again.

1467
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 1: That never happened to me, But well, just in.

1468
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:15,280
Speaker 5: General, like once you decide to not be meager, and.

1469
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 1: We'll tell you what that happened. That happened, Like I

1470
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:23,879
Speaker 1: was doing. I started auditioning for this Bob Fosse musical,

1471
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 1: and I went to England to visit a friend of

1472
01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:30,720
Speaker 1: my Matthew Modine, who is doing Full Metal g and

1473
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:33,080
Speaker 1: I remember my agents called and they said, David, if

1474
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 1: you come back, we know you're going to get this musical.

1475
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:40,759
Speaker 1: And at that point, you know, I had done dream

1476
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 1: Girls on and off. I was really getting tired of

1477
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 1: New York. That scene, I really wanted to buy a car.

1478
01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:53,719
Speaker 1: I wanted to buy a drop top Mustang GT five

1479
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:56,280
Speaker 1: point zero. That was my dream car. And I said,

1480
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:58,639
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get this man in New York. That's

1481
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:03,639
Speaker 1: when I really emotion said I'm going to La Okay.

1482
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:06,200
Speaker 1: So I didn't go back. I didn't go back to

1483
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 1: do that final call for the Bob Fosse musical. I

1484
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:14,800
Speaker 1: went out to La that for that pilot season and

1485
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:18,519
Speaker 1: I booked my first pilot. So basically from that I

1486
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:22,599
Speaker 1: would move back. I came back once after we did

1487
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 1: the pilot of in Living Color, because once we did

1488
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:27,880
Speaker 1: the pilot, it took over a year for them to

1489
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 1: pick it up. You know, when I would go and

1490
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 1: do guest I did this guest spot on alf but

1491
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:37,960
Speaker 1: wherever I would go, right wherever I would go, all

1492
01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:40,880
Speaker 1: the crew had seen. We did an hour pilot of

1493
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 1: in Living Color. It became like a bootleg. Hey, and

1494
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 1: these dudes on the crew be like, yo, man, that

1495
01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:48,960
Speaker 1: was the funniest shit. What are they going to do

1496
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:50,840
Speaker 1: with it? And I was like, I don't know. It

1497
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:55,240
Speaker 1: got so bad that Vanity Fair printed an article about

1498
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:57,720
Speaker 1: in Living Color, you know, something like this is the

1499
01:23:57,760 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 1: hottest underground tape. You know, it's like a black Saturday

1500
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 1: Night Live. Everybody had seen it. Yeah, it was over.

1501
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:06,120
Speaker 5: What took long? What took so long to iron it? Well?

1502
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 1: See, you know the concept of a living colored Eddie

1503
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:12,919
Speaker 1: Murphy had it, that idea to do a black SNL,

1504
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:17,160
Speaker 1: a black sketch show. Everybody had that idea, but Keenan

1505
01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 1: is the one who actually did it. Yeah, I don't know.

1506
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:22,560
Speaker 1: I mean it was Barry Diller was running.

1507
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:25,600
Speaker 5: Fox and they didn't see this SEO, it's gonna be

1508
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:26,120
Speaker 5: instant hit.

1509
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:29,320
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, man. It took a while. Finally

1510
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:33,880
Speaker 1: we got picked up, and that's what I went And

1511
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:37,040
Speaker 1: I said no three times. You know, I said no because,

1512
01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:39,240
Speaker 1: like I told you, I'm not that's not my thing.

1513
01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:41,599
Speaker 1: You know, I don't really I don't have a bunch

1514
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 1: of characters. I'm not deep in this improv thing. But

1515
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:48,680
Speaker 1: Kim Wayans I moved back to New York. And when

1516
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:51,519
Speaker 1: I moved back after being in LA, I realized that

1517
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:53,320
Speaker 1: was the wrong thing, because the next day I was

1518
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:56,080
Speaker 1: back in the same call, same two dudes. Hey Man,

1519
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:58,840
Speaker 1: what's up? Where you been? Man? I was like, oh

1520
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:01,560
Speaker 1: my god, yeah, And she said, David, trust me, this

1521
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:05,200
Speaker 1: is the right decision. So I trusted her. And because

1522
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:09,320
Speaker 1: out of all the shit I auditioned for, it was

1523
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:11,719
Speaker 1: at a time where I must audition for thirty pilots,

1524
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:14,840
Speaker 1: I was the dude or like, well, I don't know,

1525
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:18,240
Speaker 1: maybe we'll go black, David, Yeah, you know, so I

1526
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 1: would read I didn't get it, but I always knew

1527
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:23,000
Speaker 1: that Living Color would be the most fun. It wasn't

1528
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:25,559
Speaker 1: the most money. But finally I just told my agents.

1529
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:27,839
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm just going to do this because

1530
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:30,760
Speaker 1: I'm tired of, you know, audition for stuff. I didn't

1531
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:33,840
Speaker 1: really care because you on it to the very end, right, Yeah, Yeah,

1532
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 1: I was, Yeah, yeah I was. And so once I

1533
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 1: got in there, dude, we did the pilot, we did

1534
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:42,120
Speaker 1: men on and I remember my agent call the next

1535
01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:44,720
Speaker 1: day and she said, they're doing snaps over at Tom

1536
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:50,160
Speaker 1: MGM David. They're doing snapsid Columbia. People are snapping all

1537
01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:54,800
Speaker 1: over the city and I was like, damn. And this

1538
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:57,160
Speaker 1: was for the first time, for the first time in

1539
01:25:57,160 --> 01:26:00,799
Speaker 1: my life, everybody was in like our green room. Everybody,

1540
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:04,240
Speaker 1: all the biggest stars, you know, everybody wanted to come

1541
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:06,639
Speaker 1: and hang out with us. And I was like, damn,

1542
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 1: for one, for once in my life, I was on

1543
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:14,120
Speaker 1: the coolest show. I went, I got my burglar alarm installed,

1544
01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:18,360
Speaker 1: and the white dude he said, he was like, oh,

1545
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 1: he just went crazy. He was like, oh my god.

1546
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 1: The cab driver. I was like, damn, this supposed to

1547
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 1: be what it feels like.

1548
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:27,639
Speaker 9: No, it's It's funny you say that characters were your thing,

1549
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 9: because you created some of my favorite characters like Stevens

1550
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:31,800
Speaker 9: and REESI.

1551
01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:34,320
Speaker 1: Like, I mean, I got into it. I'm just saying

1552
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:38,320
Speaker 1: that as an actor, as an artist, we all are apprehensive.

1553
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:42,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I just everybody has insecurity. I mean I

1554
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:45,760
Speaker 1: just heard a story that like what'sy Jones talked about it.

1555
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:47,880
Speaker 1: He talked about like he was supposed to jam with

1556
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:50,920
Speaker 1: Hendrix a bunch of times, but he said Hendricks never

1557
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:54,559
Speaker 1: showed up because he said he felt like he knew

1558
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:57,840
Speaker 1: he was intimidated by these jazz musicians. You know, he

1559
01:26:58,120 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 1: didn't have his knowledge was different, you know, him and

1560
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:03,640
Speaker 1: Miles Davis kicked it. They were supposed to record a

1561
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:06,520
Speaker 1: bunch of shit, but it just never got together. Everybody

1562
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:10,080
Speaker 1: has an insecurity, even the most brilliant people. They do.

1563
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:12,920
Speaker 1: Every artist, you know, ship where they I'm not ready,

1564
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 1: you know this kind of thing, but you know I

1565
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:16,160
Speaker 1: jumped in. I said fuck it. You know, so it

1566
01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:16,759
Speaker 1: all worked.

1567
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:19,720
Speaker 9: Out after the Living Color? What were your Where did

1568
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:20,400
Speaker 9: you go from there?

1569
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:23,080
Speaker 1: I'll tell you know. After in Living Color, I figured

1570
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:26,120
Speaker 1: because I was doing stand up and stuff, I said, well,

1571
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:29,920
Speaker 1: I probably can headline for about eighteen months. You know,

1572
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 1: there's no YouTube, there's no nothing.

1573
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:35,599
Speaker 5: How long did they announce to you that the season

1574
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:37,880
Speaker 5: five is our last one? Was it just like last ten?

1575
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:38,559
Speaker 1: It happened.

1576
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:39,160
Speaker 5: Here's the cake.

1577
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:41,880
Speaker 1: I was in New York. I was doing Shakespeare in

1578
01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:45,439
Speaker 1: the Park. And now after that, you know, Jim Carrey

1579
01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:49,840
Speaker 1: had always already blown up with Yes, was that the

1580
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:57,040
Speaker 1: first one was his first movie? Which I turned that down?

1581
01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:59,479
Speaker 1: Everybody it was. It was a script that was passed around,

1582
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:02,639
Speaker 1: but Jim it because he said, look, I'll take this,

1583
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:04,880
Speaker 1: but you gotta let me do my thing. So they

1584
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:06,880
Speaker 1: gave him all the power and he said, fuck it.

1585
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:10,160
Speaker 1: You know, so now I can tell you another story.

1586
01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:14,960
Speaker 1: So we went to the opening of ace Ventura and

1587
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:17,360
Speaker 1: so the press check goes, Oh, I got an excitement.

1588
01:28:17,479 --> 01:28:19,599
Speaker 1: You know, I have exciting news. I've sat you next

1589
01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:23,599
Speaker 1: to Jim and you know yet Jim Carrey, and Jim

1590
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:26,360
Speaker 1: was so nervous. He literally was climbing out of his skin.

1591
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:28,880
Speaker 1: So I'm sitting right there and I want to I'm

1592
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:31,360
Speaker 1: gonna laugh because it's my boy. Whatever, I'm gonna laugh.

1593
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:36,439
Speaker 1: And I laughed myself dizzy sick. Now I'm watching it

1594
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:39,720
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Jim is too crazy, man, Jim, Jim, Jim.

1595
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:42,000
Speaker 1: He did that movie like they gave him six months

1596
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 1: to live. So he was just telling every joke, every joke.

1597
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:47,920
Speaker 1: He just worked it. And so I come out in

1598
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:49,960
Speaker 1: the lobby. I see Chris and I was like, Chris,

1599
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:52,400
Speaker 1: what's up. He goes, Nobody's gonna see this movie, and

1600
01:28:52,439 --> 01:28:53,960
Speaker 1: I was like, no, because it was too crazy. I

1601
01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:57,599
Speaker 1: just thought America's not ready. We used to joke with Jim.

1602
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:00,320
Speaker 1: I said, look, man, if I won the lottery. I

1603
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:02,720
Speaker 1: wanted to give Jim five million dollars just to do

1604
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:05,639
Speaker 1: his movie. He used to do this thing called Colon Man.

1605
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 5: No.

1606
01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:10,559
Speaker 1: He would whip out, you know, his three twenty five

1607
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:13,200
Speaker 1: feet of colon and he would last suit people and

1608
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:16,920
Speaker 1: suck him in his ass. This is the kind of

1609
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:19,360
Speaker 1: shit we would do. This is the kind of shit

1610
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:22,679
Speaker 1: we we're we're comedian. We'd just do. Dude. I was crying.

1611
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 1: I was like, Jim, please please, I'm gonna give you

1612
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:27,160
Speaker 1: some money. I want you to do Colon Man. He

1613
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:29,559
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, So we would just be messing around,

1614
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:32,720
Speaker 1: making each other laugh. But what I'm saying is I

1615
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:35,479
Speaker 1: didn't think. I just saw. You know, in a couple

1616
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:38,320
Speaker 1: of years, people forget about the show. I go back to,

1617
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:39,720
Speaker 1: you know, I do what I really want to do,

1618
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:41,519
Speaker 1: which is I want to do like a sitcom like

1619
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:44,920
Speaker 1: The Black Seinfeld, you know, and I just that's where

1620
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:49,360
Speaker 1: my head was at. I did not see the legacy

1621
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:51,519
Speaker 1: of In Living Color. And I'll tell you who did

1622
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:54,040
Speaker 1: was Jim Carrey. I mean from the very beginning, we'd

1623
01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:55,519
Speaker 1: be sitting in the dress room. He said, Man, this

1624
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 1: is history. This is I was like, man, please, it's like, really,

1625
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 1: I didn't know because I just didn't. I just did

1626
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:03,639
Speaker 1: not see, like.

1627
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:08,760
Speaker 5: You didn't read your own pressions were in Time magazine,

1628
01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:09,240
Speaker 5: I know.

1629
01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:12,640
Speaker 1: But I didn't. My son's watching in color, Yeah, but

1630
01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:14,280
Speaker 1: I also didn't. I'm gonna put it like this, what

1631
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 1: I did. I remember I did this play and they

1632
01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:19,559
Speaker 1: had the men's dressing room the women's dressing room at

1633
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:21,639
Speaker 1: this point. You know, this is like two thousand and six.

1634
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:26,120
Speaker 1: So everybody had their laptop all laid up, and all

1635
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:31,120
Speaker 1: these dudes had catalog their favorite in living color sketches.

1636
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:33,479
Speaker 1: They could press a button dial it in. You know,

1637
01:30:33,479 --> 01:30:37,400
Speaker 1: that technology wasn't there when we did in Living Color

1638
01:30:37,439 --> 01:30:41,520
Speaker 1: in ninety one to ninety four. I didn't anticipate that longevity.

1639
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:45,120
Speaker 1: As I toured the country, I started performing for guys

1640
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:47,599
Speaker 1: who were kids, say ten or eleven or twelve, who

1641
01:30:47,720 --> 01:30:51,680
Speaker 1: snuck and watched the show. Now they're teenagers, you know

1642
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:55,120
Speaker 1: what I mean. Now they're teenagers. And from there the

1643
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:58,519
Speaker 1: people who saw the next generation under them, who saw

1644
01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:01,720
Speaker 1: it on be e T or whatever you know on

1645
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:03,400
Speaker 1: I forgot what.

1646
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:04,599
Speaker 5: It's It's on a bunch of channels.

1647
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:06,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a point where it was on every day.

1648
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:08,920
Speaker 1: I mean it was somewhere every day, right, I mean,

1649
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:11,639
Speaker 1: I just I didn't see all that. I didn't see YouTube.

1650
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:12,920
Speaker 1: Come on, man, I didn't see it.

1651
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:13,160
Speaker 5: Man.

1652
01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:15,519
Speaker 3: I was going to I was gonna ask was was

1653
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:17,720
Speaker 3: boom I felt like Boomerang was closer than Living Color

1654
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:18,040
Speaker 3: than that.

1655
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:21,439
Speaker 1: Boomerang was during in Living Color. And what I didn't

1656
01:31:21,479 --> 01:31:25,559
Speaker 1: know is so I get Boomerang and Keenan said go

1657
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:27,800
Speaker 1: ahead and do it, and I figured he I was

1658
01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:32,360
Speaker 1: cleared by Fox. But Keenan never told Fox. He just

1659
01:31:32,479 --> 01:31:35,519
Speaker 1: told me he went to the Hudling Brothers and he said,

1660
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:39,719
Speaker 1: make sure you have David back on tape day.

1661
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:43,360
Speaker 4: So with that the make up for the Robert Townson Joe.

1662
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:48,200
Speaker 1: No, but I'm talking about you talk about doing someone

1663
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 1: a solid.

1664
01:31:49,160 --> 01:31:51,360
Speaker 4: Ranting himself out there.

1665
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:54,559
Speaker 1: And I didn't find out till many years later. I

1666
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:57,719
Speaker 1: was like what, and he goes, yeah, what.

1667
01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:00,000
Speaker 5: Was that scene? Do the table scene?

1668
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:06,120
Speaker 1: Well, there's what happened. We were doing. We were doing

1669
01:32:06,160 --> 01:32:08,640
Speaker 1: the scene and I'm sitting there and I go, what

1670
01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:12,240
Speaker 1: is the most embarrassing thing that could happen? Your parents?

1671
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:17,360
Speaker 1: Fucking So We're at the table and I'm sitting next

1672
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:21,920
Speaker 1: to Eddie so I whispered Eddie, and Eddie fell out laughing.

1673
01:32:22,439 --> 01:32:24,719
Speaker 1: So I see him get up and go around, because

1674
01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:26,559
Speaker 1: we were shooting in this big loft. He goes around

1675
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:29,760
Speaker 1: and he tells Warrington, who's a producer, and it's all

1676
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:33,200
Speaker 1: in pantomime. I see Warrington just fall out laughing. He

1677
01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:35,760
Speaker 1: goes and tells Reggie, the director, who's on the other

1678
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:38,960
Speaker 1: side behind the monitor. He falls out laughing. So at

1679
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:41,639
Speaker 1: the very end of the day, Eddie says, we're gonna

1680
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:43,920
Speaker 1: film it. So every time we tried to do the

1681
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:46,920
Speaker 1: scene you know where John and them come out and

1682
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:50,200
Speaker 1: Eddie's looking at me. Eddie never kept a straight face,

1683
01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:54,200
Speaker 1: so I always thought, well, we can't use it because

1684
01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:56,519
Speaker 1: we didn't get a good take. So that's why I

1685
01:32:56,560 --> 01:33:00,559
Speaker 1: went away from it. The brilliance of Eddie Murphy again

1686
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:05,040
Speaker 1: is that he allowed that in the moment we got

1687
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:07,120
Speaker 1: to put this on film, and it was became one

1688
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:09,519
Speaker 1: of the funniest you know, my character was just the

1689
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 1: best friend. You know. When I read the script, I

1690
01:33:12,439 --> 01:33:14,759
Speaker 1: kind of was like, well, I'm in an Eddie Murphy movie,

1691
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:18,280
Speaker 1: but what am I doing? But the brilliant thing is

1692
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:24,160
Speaker 1: we rehearsed for three weeks and rehearsed, well, we actually improvised.

1693
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:28,120
Speaker 1: It was controlled improvisation, so all of like the scenes

1694
01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:34,120
Speaker 1: with me, Martin and Eddie mostly like we we improved it,

1695
01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:36,800
Speaker 1: you know. So so Reggie would go, look, you know,

1696
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:38,960
Speaker 1: you guys are working out. Just go and we would

1697
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:41,880
Speaker 1: start improvising. There was a well, there was a woman

1698
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:45,280
Speaker 1: there taking notes and when I say guided, he would go, okay, stop,

1699
01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:47,680
Speaker 1: stay in that area, stay in that area. So he

1700
01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:50,679
Speaker 1: would guide it. All the best bits they wrote them down,

1701
01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:53,080
Speaker 1: and that's how the script was rewritten. That's how it

1702
01:33:53,120 --> 01:34:05,280
Speaker 1: really became ours. That's funny. That's funny. That's fine. I

1703
01:34:05,320 --> 01:34:07,080
Speaker 1: mean it was guy.

1704
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:11,320
Speaker 5: So that was rehearsed well, it was like a table read.

1705
01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:15,360
Speaker 1: And then we would Eddie was living Eddie life like

1706
01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:19,040
Speaker 1: he was in Washington. Then they would fly us to Washington.

1707
01:34:19,360 --> 01:34:22,200
Speaker 1: I think it was for I don't know something, you no,

1708
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:24,880
Speaker 1: he was just there hanging out in DC. And we

1709
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:27,080
Speaker 1: hung out at the Four Seasons for a few days

1710
01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:31,400
Speaker 1: and we rehearsed there. There was improvisation that happened on

1711
01:34:31,439 --> 01:34:36,639
Speaker 1: the set, but it was already formed and for us

1712
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:40,000
Speaker 1: to succeed, and also what that did, I didn't know

1713
01:34:40,120 --> 01:34:41,800
Speaker 1: Eddie at all. I kind of knew Martin, you know,

1714
01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:44,519
Speaker 1: like I said, me and him were boys, but it

1715
01:34:44,640 --> 01:34:47,519
Speaker 1: bonded us because we're supposed to be best friends. So

1716
01:34:47,560 --> 01:34:49,559
Speaker 1: it was really that's the only time I've ever done

1717
01:34:49,640 --> 01:34:51,519
Speaker 1: that on a film, and I think that's the only

1718
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:54,680
Speaker 1: time I heard Eddie did. It worked like that, But

1719
01:34:54,760 --> 01:34:57,439
Speaker 1: that's what made that film so good.

1720
01:34:57,640 --> 01:34:59,880
Speaker 5: So that's not standard, right telling.

1721
01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:01,880
Speaker 1: You know, I've been acting for thirty five years. I've

1722
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:06,839
Speaker 1: never had a month long rehearsal period before we start filming.

1723
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:08,960
Speaker 5: What if something was so magical and there was no

1724
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:12,640
Speaker 5: camera to capture it just lost? I mean because as

1725
01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:16,240
Speaker 5: I were things that happened in rehearsal that was like,

1726
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:19,120
Speaker 5: damn that shit is. You know, I will never would

1727
01:35:19,160 --> 01:35:20,400
Speaker 5: never get that magic again.

1728
01:35:20,520 --> 01:35:22,920
Speaker 1: You got you got the good ship, trust me. Okay,

1729
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:25,599
Speaker 1: I'll give you one thing that happened when I left

1730
01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:30,000
Speaker 1: the loft. You know, after my parents fucked, we did

1731
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:34,439
Speaker 1: an improv all the way down the stairs, all the

1732
01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:37,040
Speaker 1: way out in the street. So they said cup, but

1733
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:40,000
Speaker 1: me and John we kept going, how could you do this?

1734
01:35:41,680 --> 01:35:44,400
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do my thing. I was like, man, what, Daddy, why?

1735
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:47,960
Speaker 1: And we kept going, We kept going. All that was lost,

1736
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:49,800
Speaker 1: but we were so in it. It was so much fun.

1737
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:52,680
Speaker 1: Is with mom, Mom, Mom, this is why could you do?

1738
01:35:52,760 --> 01:35:52,920
Speaker 5: You know?

1739
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:55,439
Speaker 1: We kept going back and forth and you know, so

1740
01:35:55,520 --> 01:35:57,200
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff was lost, but it just but

1741
01:35:57,360 --> 01:36:00,439
Speaker 1: we I don't you know, they didn't videotape it. They

1742
01:36:00,439 --> 01:36:02,080
Speaker 1: may have recorded it, but I don't think so.

1743
01:36:02,240 --> 01:36:04,679
Speaker 3: I just so in contrast with the halle Berry scenes,

1744
01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:08,320
Speaker 3: that was completely like off on book No.

1745
01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:10,800
Speaker 1: Because I'll tell you what, because because like I'll give

1746
01:36:10,840 --> 01:36:13,639
Speaker 1: you an example, when halle Berry go when Halle goes,

1747
01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:17,479
Speaker 1: that was me. That was then improv I did, but

1748
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:19,080
Speaker 1: it didn't make sense that I would do that, you know,

1749
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:20,559
Speaker 1: in the kind of the scene. So I gave that

1750
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:22,960
Speaker 1: to her. But you just and that was in the moment.

1751
01:36:23,080 --> 01:36:25,160
Speaker 1: That was in the moment. So so they encourage that.

1752
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:28,720
Speaker 5: And how did the shooting go on?

1753
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:41,040
Speaker 1: Martin told me he just let me go. But me

1754
01:36:41,120 --> 01:36:43,880
Speaker 1: and Martin, I love Martin man. I met him like

1755
01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:47,880
Speaker 1: from way back, you know, and Martin was always Martin,

1756
01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:50,080
Speaker 1: like he told me from way back when this like

1757
01:36:50,120 --> 01:36:55,040
Speaker 1: white lady owned the clubs, like sit down, you can't

1758
01:36:55,560 --> 01:37:00,479
Speaker 1: do what you're doing. It's foul. You know, you can't

1759
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:03,720
Speaker 1: be talking like that. Martin was always like, this is

1760
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:08,559
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do. Fuck it you. So yeah, yeah,

1761
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:13,080
Speaker 1: So when Martin did his show, uh, he brought me on.

1762
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:17,320
Speaker 1: And the only thing I remember, there's a guy named

1763
01:37:17,360 --> 01:37:19,760
Speaker 1: John Bowman who used to be on The Living Color.

1764
01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:22,000
Speaker 1: Then he went over and was working with Martin, and

1765
01:37:22,160 --> 01:37:23,960
Speaker 1: I just said, I want to play a preacher. I

1766
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:26,719
Speaker 1: just want to play okay, because they they were saying,

1767
01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:28,320
Speaker 1: we want you to come on. Martin wants you to

1768
01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:29,960
Speaker 1: come on. What do you want to play? And I said,

1769
01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:33,040
Speaker 1: let me play a preacher. And from there it just

1770
01:37:34,320 --> 01:37:36,040
Speaker 1: and I did it a bunch of times. That's one

1771
01:37:36,040 --> 01:37:39,080
Speaker 1: of my favorite characters of yours, dude, and the way

1772
01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:53,080
Speaker 1: he scooped back to school. Don't let the death for you.

1773
01:37:54,640 --> 01:37:55,120
Speaker 5: He's here.

1774
01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:58,559
Speaker 1: It's a spare, even spar saying there. So that's why

1775
01:37:58,560 --> 01:37:59,840
Speaker 1: I spot get your buyer.

1776
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:03,320
Speaker 5: Tell us about blank Man.

1777
01:38:03,720 --> 01:38:11,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, damon, here's here's a story before you start.

1778
01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:14,760
Speaker 1: When everybody was out watching Black Panthers when that came out,

1779
01:38:14,840 --> 01:38:20,240
Speaker 1: I was at home watching Blank Man, the only one

1780
01:38:20,240 --> 01:38:22,599
Speaker 1: because I saw Black Panther on the film. Going to England,

1781
01:38:22,600 --> 01:38:26,000
Speaker 1: I was like, I was crying.

1782
01:38:25,880 --> 01:38:27,320
Speaker 5: I want to jump the.

1783
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:32,360
Speaker 1: Panthers. You still haven't seen I haven't seen it.

1784
01:38:34,760 --> 01:38:36,720
Speaker 4: Out of the club until you come.

1785
01:38:36,920 --> 01:38:37,080
Speaker 5: Wait.

1786
01:38:37,800 --> 01:38:41,080
Speaker 1: I'm not a Marvel person, so this is a real

1787
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:46,479
Speaker 1: black nerve, like a Marvel person all clothed the orgy.

1788
01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:54,200
Speaker 1: I don't told shoes, you don't, man, Black Panthers is

1789
01:38:54,360 --> 01:38:58,679
Speaker 1: not true. I went to the movies with this girl

1790
01:38:58,720 --> 01:39:01,360
Speaker 1: and this is when the first weekend at Black Panther open.

1791
01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:04,840
Speaker 1: I saw this one brother. It was at the what

1792
01:39:04,920 --> 01:39:08,160
Speaker 1: was it at the arc Light. He had his young

1793
01:39:08,160 --> 01:39:11,080
Speaker 1: but it was too small and he was waiting around

1794
01:39:11,080 --> 01:39:12,840
Speaker 1: and he got stood up and they were like, sir,

1795
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:16,320
Speaker 1: the movie starting, and he was like I didn't want

1796
01:39:16,320 --> 01:39:17,880
Speaker 1: to be that dude. So I was like, I'm gonna

1797
01:39:17,880 --> 01:39:20,640
Speaker 1: wait until people stopped dressing up and I can just

1798
01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:21,120
Speaker 1: go see.

1799
01:39:21,120 --> 01:39:24,760
Speaker 3: It was turned up. Everybody tell you something the wrong

1800
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:26,599
Speaker 3: Black Panthers. A lot of you know, Callie Didy get

1801
01:39:26,600 --> 01:39:28,040
Speaker 3: it wrong. It was a lot of leather jackets.

1802
01:39:28,479 --> 01:39:32,080
Speaker 1: Well we try, we try, but no Black Panther was beautiful. Man.

1803
01:39:32,120 --> 01:39:32,880
Speaker 1: I love this ship.

1804
01:39:33,479 --> 01:39:38,240
Speaker 5: Eventually, yeah, what was that? Like?

1805
01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:40,439
Speaker 1: You and Damon Damian told me he was doing this

1806
01:39:40,479 --> 01:39:42,240
Speaker 1: thing you know again. We were on the Living Color

1807
01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:46,080
Speaker 1: and uh, he said, you know, I want you to

1808
01:39:46,120 --> 01:39:50,480
Speaker 1: do this. I said, cool, man, let's do it. Robin Gibbons,

1809
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:54,160
Speaker 1: I don't think I had met her. Everybody heard about her,

1810
01:39:54,200 --> 01:39:56,200
Speaker 1: you know, she was just that girl.

1811
01:39:56,680 --> 01:40:00,280
Speaker 5: You didn't meet her on the they didn't do it. Yeah,

1812
01:40:00,280 --> 01:40:02,680
Speaker 5: I don't think they had anything to No.

1813
01:40:02,720 --> 01:40:06,479
Speaker 1: I met her. I met at the party. I met her.

1814
01:40:06,560 --> 01:40:08,800
Speaker 1: I met her. I mean we I knew her as

1815
01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:12,519
Speaker 1: a friend, you know, like that, and loved her. She's cool.

1816
01:40:13,400 --> 01:40:14,880
Speaker 1: We just did it. I mean it was great. It

1817
01:40:14,920 --> 01:40:18,559
Speaker 1: was a beautiful thing. And uh but I you know,

1818
01:40:18,760 --> 01:40:21,640
Speaker 1: when we were doing Black Man, like, I don't know

1819
01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:25,280
Speaker 1: if meteor Man came out first, but I know they're

1820
01:40:25,360 --> 01:40:28,000
Speaker 1: kind of competing. But you know, back then there were

1821
01:40:28,040 --> 01:40:31,280
Speaker 1: two things. There are a couple uh scenarios for black

1822
01:40:31,320 --> 01:40:34,320
Speaker 1: comedians reformers. Wouldn't it be great if there were a

1823
01:40:34,360 --> 01:40:40,880
Speaker 1: black superhero? Every black comedian talked about the possibility of

1824
01:40:40,920 --> 01:40:43,880
Speaker 1: a black president. That was in everybody's We all did,

1825
01:40:43,960 --> 01:40:45,599
Speaker 1: We all talked, we all had some riff on that,

1826
01:40:46,120 --> 01:40:48,360
Speaker 1: you know, those kinds of things, and to live and

1827
01:40:48,439 --> 01:40:52,120
Speaker 1: see all this shit, that's what makes it amazing. But

1828
01:40:52,439 --> 01:40:54,759
Speaker 1: I never got to meet Obama, but because I always

1829
01:40:54,800 --> 01:40:57,240
Speaker 1: wanted to meet him in the White House. But I

1830
01:40:57,240 --> 01:40:58,960
Speaker 1: didn't want to have to like donate money. I just

1831
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:01,960
Speaker 1: wanted to be like no, I wanted it to be organic.

1832
01:41:02,040 --> 01:41:08,200
Speaker 1: I wanted it to be like David this Brock and Michelle,

1833
01:41:08,280 --> 01:41:10,400
Speaker 1: not like you to come to the house, you know,

1834
01:41:10,479 --> 01:41:15,800
Speaker 1: like that. I know you met. And then at the

1835
01:41:15,920 --> 01:41:17,800
Speaker 1: end when it was like they started throwing parties, it

1836
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:22,320
Speaker 1: was like DJ Scribble, you know everybody. I was like, man,

1837
01:41:22,840 --> 01:41:27,280
Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm good. I met Michelle. I'll meet him eventually.

1838
01:41:27,320 --> 01:41:29,240
Speaker 1: But I did want to meet him while he was

1839
01:41:29,240 --> 01:41:29,839
Speaker 1: in office.

1840
01:41:30,400 --> 01:41:35,240
Speaker 5: You know, trust me, he's still president.

1841
01:41:40,280 --> 01:41:43,120
Speaker 4: Would you ever do it? Or have you done a special?

1842
01:41:43,680 --> 01:41:44,320
Speaker 5: Yeah? I did one.

1843
01:41:44,439 --> 01:41:48,720
Speaker 1: I did a stand up special while ago. Would I

1844
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:49,639
Speaker 1: do another one?

1845
01:41:50,600 --> 01:41:51,880
Speaker 4: It's a Netflix world, so.

1846
01:41:52,120 --> 01:41:56,120
Speaker 1: It's beyond that now. I mean, Jerrod just directed a

1847
01:41:56,200 --> 01:42:01,160
Speaker 1: special where there's no laughter. I'm like that. No, he

1848
01:42:01,280 --> 01:42:03,559
Speaker 1: directed this white dude where there's no audience.

1849
01:42:04,200 --> 01:42:07,640
Speaker 3: It's just him talking to I don't understand what it was,

1850
01:42:07,680 --> 01:42:09,160
Speaker 3: but I saw his name and I saw what he

1851
01:42:09,200 --> 01:42:09,760
Speaker 3: directed it.

1852
01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:15,479
Speaker 1: Like I said, okay, now, y'all are given lectures, no audience,

1853
01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:19,880
Speaker 1: call me old school, but tell us about chocolate news,

1854
01:42:20,040 --> 01:42:22,320
Speaker 1: and like, well, chocolate news.

1855
01:42:22,520 --> 01:42:22,760
Speaker 5: You know.

1856
01:42:22,840 --> 01:42:26,720
Speaker 1: This was happening after the Chappelle Show. Everybody I heard

1857
01:42:26,720 --> 01:42:29,200
Speaker 1: everybody was pitching to Comedy Central. They wanted to be

1858
01:42:29,240 --> 01:42:31,920
Speaker 1: the next Chapelle. So I just looked at that, and

1859
01:42:32,760 --> 01:42:37,479
Speaker 1: from what I heard was all of the next Chapelle

1860
01:42:37,479 --> 01:42:40,519
Speaker 1: stuff was a trap. Nobody could be the next Dave Chappelle.

1861
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:44,519
Speaker 1: So I avoided that. And then it was the like

1862
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:46,639
Speaker 1: I wanted to do like the Black Daily Show kind

1863
01:42:46,680 --> 01:42:50,120
Speaker 1: of but in a sketch scenario, meaning everything was written.

1864
01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:53,880
Speaker 1: It wasn't based on real news. It was all fake.

1865
01:42:54,600 --> 01:42:56,960
Speaker 1: So I just you went in there and I talked

1866
01:42:57,000 --> 01:43:01,439
Speaker 1: to them and used the template of real sports, because

1867
01:43:01,479 --> 01:43:04,200
Speaker 1: if you mentioned Chappelle, they'd be like, now we've done that.

1868
01:43:04,280 --> 01:43:06,439
Speaker 1: It's always failed. Oh I want to do the Daily

1869
01:43:06,479 --> 01:43:08,800
Speaker 1: As soon as you say the Daily Show, that's John

1870
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:11,080
Speaker 1: Stewart's territory. You got to go through him. No, we

1871
01:43:11,120 --> 01:43:13,439
Speaker 1: won't do that. So I purposely never said that, and

1872
01:43:13,479 --> 01:43:16,360
Speaker 1: they were like, wow, okay, so they bought it, and

1873
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:20,160
Speaker 1: I was only on for one year or one season.

1874
01:43:20,160 --> 01:43:25,920
Speaker 1: It was ten episodes, but that's the purest me, unfiltered

1875
01:43:26,640 --> 01:43:31,439
Speaker 1: from my own hand written performed that you're gonna get.

1876
01:43:31,680 --> 01:43:34,880
Speaker 1: So I just I just did everything I wanted to do.

1877
01:43:34,920 --> 01:43:39,400
Speaker 1: I mean they gave me pretty much free rain. Probably

1878
01:43:39,400 --> 01:43:42,400
Speaker 1: the one idea we wanted to do a Kwanza special

1879
01:43:42,880 --> 01:43:45,599
Speaker 1: and they said no, and we wanted to do the

1880
01:43:45,640 --> 01:43:51,800
Speaker 1: origin story of Kwanza. But inclamation people, there's a whole

1881
01:43:52,280 --> 01:43:57,559
Speaker 1: we don't get it. So short of that, I did

1882
01:43:57,600 --> 01:44:00,519
Speaker 1: everything I wanted to do. Man, they just so that

1883
01:44:00,640 --> 01:44:01,840
Speaker 1: was cool, even if it was just.

1884
01:44:01,840 --> 01:44:05,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think a couple we have our homies, was it?

1885
01:44:05,200 --> 01:44:10,200
Speaker 5: I think he right? That was their first job? What

1886
01:44:10,200 --> 01:44:11,639
Speaker 5: were they then? Working with them?

1887
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:14,360
Speaker 1: They were hungry, man. I mean I dug them because

1888
01:44:14,360 --> 01:44:18,800
Speaker 1: they were intelligent and just smart. I mean I was

1889
01:44:18,800 --> 01:44:24,240
Speaker 1: in there every day writing with the writers, and I

1890
01:44:24,360 --> 01:44:28,160
Speaker 1: just wanted people who were as excited as me to

1891
01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:32,280
Speaker 1: be there. I mean what I didn't want is you know,

1892
01:44:32,400 --> 01:44:35,000
Speaker 1: like as a musician, you know you want the people

1893
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:38,360
Speaker 1: that have a passion for your project. Okay, there's a

1894
01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:42,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot of really great musicians are great artists.

1895
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:44,400
Speaker 1: But you know, if you're not down with what I'm doing,

1896
01:44:44,439 --> 01:44:46,479
Speaker 1: that's good. But it's not gonna help me, you know

1897
01:44:46,479 --> 01:44:47,840
Speaker 1: what I mean. So so I was just trying to

1898
01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:51,559
Speaker 1: find people that were hungry and saw the vision and

1899
01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:54,400
Speaker 1: we did. We had fun, man. I remember we were

1900
01:44:54,439 --> 01:44:56,280
Speaker 1: talking about I just talked about the other day. I

1901
01:44:56,320 --> 01:45:00,880
Speaker 1: was talking to facts. So we were planning the inaugurate festivities.

1902
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:05,120
Speaker 1: That Lunelle came in. I've been watching Binge watching My

1903
01:45:05,560 --> 01:45:08,639
Speaker 1: Super sixteen, you know, because that was really popular. So

1904
01:45:08,680 --> 01:45:10,280
Speaker 1: we just did the ghetto version. It was like she

1905
01:45:10,400 --> 01:45:13,040
Speaker 1: was the party planner for the It's going to be

1906
01:45:13,080 --> 01:45:16,519
Speaker 1: real class y. Barrock is gonna be carried in on

1907
01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:20,719
Speaker 1: the throne and Michelle will be his lady and waiting,

1908
01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:23,120
Speaker 1: and so he just plotted out like it's a super

1909
01:45:23,120 --> 01:45:25,880
Speaker 1: sweet sixteen. So it was funny. I mean, it was

1910
01:45:26,080 --> 01:45:28,280
Speaker 1: really fun. I mean it was fun to plan all

1911
01:45:28,320 --> 01:45:31,320
Speaker 1: that stuff. It was exhausting at the end. I was

1912
01:45:31,400 --> 01:45:35,320
Speaker 1: just woo the fuck out. But that the night that

1913
01:45:35,400 --> 01:45:39,080
Speaker 1: Barack Obama was elected, I went and I was to

1914
01:45:39,240 --> 01:45:43,680
Speaker 1: host the Democratic election party in Century City. So by

1915
01:45:43,720 --> 01:45:45,759
Speaker 1: the time I got there after working at the studio,

1916
01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:49,760
Speaker 1: it was like seven o'clock and the party was almost

1917
01:45:50,240 --> 01:45:52,360
Speaker 1: it was that capacity. Okay, the police were going to

1918
01:45:52,400 --> 01:45:54,880
Speaker 1: shut it down. So I go on stage and I'm

1919
01:45:54,960 --> 01:45:59,160
Speaker 1: watching as it's official. You know, it says like Barack

1920
01:45:59,160 --> 01:46:02,240
Speaker 1: Obama's a president. I remember standing there because I wanted

1921
01:46:02,280 --> 01:46:06,719
Speaker 1: to make sure, so I kept watching them. I kept watching, dude,

1922
01:46:06,720 --> 01:46:10,719
Speaker 1: the emotion that night. I remember this white lady fell

1923
01:46:10,760 --> 01:46:13,599
Speaker 1: out on the stage. Her dress just went over her head,

1924
01:46:13,720 --> 01:46:18,280
Speaker 1: just crying. This grown ass photographer who was on stage,

1925
01:46:18,320 --> 01:46:23,200
Speaker 1: he's just weeping, and I started crying. I start. You know,

1926
01:46:23,240 --> 01:46:27,120
Speaker 1: my grandmother was born in nineteen hundred, and I was like,

1927
01:46:27,720 --> 01:46:30,479
Speaker 1: oh my god, if my grandmother could see this, you know.

1928
01:46:31,040 --> 01:46:34,679
Speaker 1: And I remember as a kid listening to all these stories.

1929
01:46:34,720 --> 01:46:38,360
Speaker 1: I could tell you stories man. My aunt, my aunt

1930
01:46:38,439 --> 01:46:42,240
Speaker 1: ethel in Alabama. She was traveling to see her friend

1931
01:46:42,280 --> 01:46:45,880
Speaker 1: on the Trailway's bus and they didn't have enough seats

1932
01:46:46,200 --> 01:46:48,720
Speaker 1: for the white folks. And the bus driver she said,

1933
01:46:48,760 --> 01:46:52,160
Speaker 1: they're in the middle of the country. He said, look, nigga,

1934
01:46:52,200 --> 01:46:54,400
Speaker 1: you can either get off the bus or you get

1935
01:46:54,479 --> 01:46:57,679
Speaker 1: under the bus and ride with the baggage. And she said,

1936
01:46:57,720 --> 01:46:59,760
Speaker 1: you know, she had her best dress on, her hair

1937
01:46:59,800 --> 01:47:01,760
Speaker 1: was done because she was going to see her friend.

1938
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:04,479
Speaker 1: She got under that bus and she had to ride

1939
01:47:04,520 --> 01:47:07,280
Speaker 1: the rest of the way under the bus with the baggage.

1940
01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:09,719
Speaker 1: And she said, when they got to where she was going,

1941
01:47:09,800 --> 01:47:13,000
Speaker 1: they left her there. And she said she because she

1942
01:47:13,120 --> 01:47:15,599
Speaker 1: had claust her phobia and she's banging. And she said,

1943
01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:18,360
Speaker 1: but you know, as a little child, when she told

1944
01:47:18,439 --> 01:47:21,240
Speaker 1: me this, we would laugh because she told it and laughed.

1945
01:47:21,240 --> 01:47:23,640
Speaker 1: She said, Oh, my hair was all messed up, I

1946
01:47:23,720 --> 01:47:26,040
Speaker 1: was all sweating, my dress was all made. We would laugh,

1947
01:47:26,360 --> 01:47:28,160
Speaker 1: and I would tell her. But as I grew older,

1948
01:47:28,840 --> 01:47:31,800
Speaker 1: and she would retell that story because I would make

1949
01:47:31,800 --> 01:47:35,559
Speaker 1: her and it was no longer funny. And and I

1950
01:47:35,640 --> 01:47:39,840
Speaker 1: realized all that I thought about, all that stuff, man,

1951
01:47:40,200 --> 01:47:42,360
Speaker 1: and this is where we're at. You know, this is this,

1952
01:47:42,479 --> 01:47:45,400
Speaker 1: This is what I'm witnessing. That's how big that moment was.

1953
01:47:45,560 --> 01:47:48,479
Speaker 1: That was for not just me, this is my point

1954
01:47:48,520 --> 01:47:50,720
Speaker 1: of view, but for everybody in this room. Man.

1955
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:55,840
Speaker 5: Come on, and now I can't even yeah, but let.

1956
01:47:55,760 --> 01:47:57,880
Speaker 1: Me tell you something. Even when people to this day,

1957
01:47:57,880 --> 01:48:00,760
Speaker 1: when they go, you know, well, Barack didn't do enough

1958
01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:02,960
Speaker 1: for black people, I'm like, didn't do do you know

1959
01:48:03,040 --> 01:48:05,800
Speaker 1: what he was going through? They said everything, but call

1960
01:48:05,920 --> 01:48:07,840
Speaker 1: him a nigga every.

1961
01:48:07,680 --> 01:48:13,640
Speaker 5: Day, every day, every day they cock blocked everything he

1962
01:48:13,720 --> 01:48:15,160
Speaker 5: wanted to do, said.

1963
01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:16,639
Speaker 4: It loud and proud, we ain't supporting ship.

1964
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:20,639
Speaker 1: Now you this is it. So I'm not for it.

1965
01:48:20,720 --> 01:48:22,760
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear I don't want to hear it,

1966
01:48:23,240 --> 01:48:25,600
Speaker 1: you know. And and you see what's happening anything but

1967
01:48:25,680 --> 01:48:29,240
Speaker 1: a nigga anything, I'm idiot.

1968
01:48:29,320 --> 01:48:30,440
Speaker 4: They got the opposite.

1969
01:48:30,640 --> 01:48:34,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, So I'm just you were talking politics. I

1970
01:48:34,479 --> 01:48:37,840
Speaker 1: don't know what's going to happen. I really don't. I

1971
01:48:37,880 --> 01:48:38,439
Speaker 1: want to know.

1972
01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:44,160
Speaker 5: Like, were you guys fine with the Carmichael Show just

1973
01:48:44,439 --> 01:48:45,519
Speaker 5: being three seasons?

1974
01:48:45,720 --> 01:48:47,920
Speaker 9: No, it was such a revolution to me. I thought

1975
01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:51,360
Speaker 9: it was just finding his but no, no, no, no, no.

1976
01:48:51,120 --> 01:48:55,200
Speaker 1: Listen. First of all, it wasn't even a season because

1977
01:48:55,200 --> 01:48:57,680
Speaker 1: you know, we came on around with Blackish. I think

1978
01:48:57,760 --> 01:49:04,720
Speaker 1: we did about thirty episode and they had done like

1979
01:49:05,120 --> 01:49:08,720
Speaker 1: sixty seventy because you know, they would pick the Carmichaels

1980
01:49:08,800 --> 01:49:11,880
Speaker 1: up for like six shows, ten shows, and you know

1981
01:49:11,960 --> 01:49:14,200
Speaker 1: when we got there, you know, after we were on

1982
01:49:14,240 --> 01:49:16,880
Speaker 1: the air and I'd sign the contract there, you know,

1983
01:49:18,160 --> 01:49:22,519
Speaker 1: Jeff Greenblat, Robert Bob Greenblat rather the head of NBC,

1984
01:49:22,680 --> 01:49:24,400
Speaker 1: was going, well, we want to do this, like a

1985
01:49:24,400 --> 01:49:27,040
Speaker 1: specialty show. I didn't know nothing about that. They didn't

1986
01:49:27,080 --> 01:49:29,479
Speaker 1: tell me when audition, we may only pick you up

1987
01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:34,000
Speaker 1: for six episodes, ten episodes. Have you locked down for

1988
01:49:34,120 --> 01:49:36,599
Speaker 1: five years because that's the contract, you know. I thought

1989
01:49:36,600 --> 01:49:40,200
Speaker 1: we were doing a regular show, you know, twenty episodes

1990
01:49:40,200 --> 01:49:42,439
Speaker 1: a season. We never got that. They only put us

1991
01:49:42,479 --> 01:49:44,439
Speaker 1: on in the summer. That's the summer dump. We were

1992
01:49:44,479 --> 01:49:47,360
Speaker 1: never on the fall schedule, you know. So, But the

1993
01:49:48,040 --> 01:49:54,040
Speaker 1: flip side is you trade that with Gerard got to

1994
01:49:54,120 --> 01:49:57,240
Speaker 1: do the show he wanted to do, so I would

1995
01:49:57,360 --> 01:50:03,920
Speaker 1: rather do thirty good episodes than seventy bullshit episode, so

1996
01:50:04,680 --> 01:50:07,400
Speaker 1: that is it. But no, we were never down with that.

1997
01:50:07,479 --> 01:50:10,000
Speaker 1: I was no. We always and I can speak for

1998
01:50:10,080 --> 01:50:13,559
Speaker 1: Gerard on this. We all wanted to be not the

1999
01:50:13,600 --> 01:50:16,640
Speaker 1: step child, but the child. You know. Put us on

2000
01:50:16,760 --> 01:50:19,800
Speaker 1: in the fall, give us a full order, you know.

2001
01:50:19,880 --> 01:50:21,760
Speaker 5: But were they too afraid to say that, we are

2002
01:50:21,800 --> 01:50:24,160
Speaker 5: afraid of the show, And now.

2003
01:50:24,040 --> 01:50:26,200
Speaker 1: They yes they were, because they were like, you know.

2004
01:50:26,320 --> 01:50:29,240
Speaker 5: On surface, they seemed like, hey, we supported, but you

2005
01:50:29,280 --> 01:50:30,280
Speaker 5: could not go.

2006
01:50:30,160 --> 01:50:33,559
Speaker 1: Back and read what the critics said. There's no other

2007
01:50:33,680 --> 01:50:36,960
Speaker 1: show at that at the network that was getting the criticism.

2008
01:50:37,120 --> 01:50:39,519
Speaker 1: The critics fucking loved us. No, they would say you're

2009
01:50:39,520 --> 01:50:43,040
Speaker 1: hard to program around. You know. That's you know, they

2010
01:50:43,080 --> 01:50:49,040
Speaker 1: always tell you you're unique. Well, you're an acquired taste.

2011
01:50:49,080 --> 01:50:50,320
Speaker 1: You know, you got all that bullshit.

2012
01:50:50,439 --> 01:50:53,200
Speaker 9: I was, man, I love that show. I really like

2013
01:50:53,200 --> 01:50:57,320
Speaker 9: like this the episode where the mom kills herself. I

2014
01:50:57,360 --> 01:50:59,840
Speaker 9: was gonna bring that one up, like that ship was.

2015
01:51:00,040 --> 01:51:01,639
Speaker 9: I mean, that's never been don't tell.

2016
01:51:01,520 --> 01:51:03,879
Speaker 1: You you should have been there. Man, black folks in the audience.

2017
01:51:04,040 --> 01:51:05,679
Speaker 1: I don't mean to cut you off, but we got

2018
01:51:05,720 --> 01:51:07,439
Speaker 1: to it like that part, and I was like telling

2019
01:51:07,560 --> 01:51:10,360
Speaker 1: your you know, my character, Yeah, your grandma wants to

2020
01:51:10,400 --> 01:51:12,439
Speaker 1: kill usself in the audience, don't do it.

2021
01:51:17,200 --> 01:51:21,920
Speaker 5: No, no, yeah, I was like we were like trying

2022
01:51:22,000 --> 01:51:26,800
Speaker 5: not to. Oh there's a good well not good time.

2023
01:51:26,960 --> 01:51:30,360
Speaker 5: These were Christian people first offp like in good times

2024
01:51:30,360 --> 01:51:34,760
Speaker 5: in the audience, like they would have those outbursts.

2025
01:51:33,800 --> 01:51:38,000
Speaker 1: Quest questions you know, Oh yeah they were they were

2026
01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:40,320
Speaker 1: they were like so wait.

2027
01:51:40,040 --> 01:51:44,240
Speaker 3: Then the Bill Cosby episode, Oh, because that was.

2028
01:51:44,200 --> 01:51:46,679
Speaker 4: I mean, not for nothing, that was it was brave.

2029
01:51:46,840 --> 01:51:48,000
Speaker 5: It was was on NBC.

2030
01:51:48,320 --> 01:51:52,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, but NBC gave you both. It was perfection to

2031
01:51:52,200 --> 01:51:52,679
Speaker 3: be honest.

2032
01:51:52,960 --> 01:51:55,040
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of times. It was an experiment,

2033
01:51:55,240 --> 01:51:58,360
Speaker 1: like when I say that, like we would read the stuff,

2034
01:51:58,400 --> 01:52:00,400
Speaker 1: but frankly, I didn't know how we we're going to

2035
01:52:00,479 --> 01:52:03,600
Speaker 1: do it until we actually did it like that. You know,

2036
01:52:04,479 --> 01:52:07,320
Speaker 1: you know this was from Grohid's mind. I don't. I

2037
01:52:07,360 --> 01:52:09,640
Speaker 1: didn't know, you know, how we're going to get out

2038
01:52:09,680 --> 01:52:13,120
Speaker 1: of this, you know, and people get it confused. I mean,

2039
01:52:13,439 --> 01:52:16,080
Speaker 1: you know, my character voted for Trump. I mean, and

2040
01:52:16,640 --> 01:52:18,960
Speaker 1: you know the whole thing about Bill Cosby and stuff.

2041
01:52:19,040 --> 01:52:22,160
Speaker 1: These are characters, not me, these characters. But how are

2042
01:52:22,160 --> 01:52:23,400
Speaker 1: we going to get out of it? You know that

2043
01:52:23,520 --> 01:52:26,400
Speaker 1: until that very last thing, you know, that last line

2044
01:52:26,400 --> 01:52:28,559
Speaker 1: when Dryid goes, it's shame what he did to those women.

2045
01:52:29,080 --> 01:52:31,680
Speaker 1: It was fun to play with that. But but what

2046
01:52:31,760 --> 01:52:35,840
Speaker 1: became exhausting is for white journalists, that's all they wanted

2047
01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:38,439
Speaker 1: to talk about, you know, because it's it's I call

2048
01:52:38,479 --> 01:52:41,599
Speaker 1: it the nigga lit litmus test. You know, Ques, what

2049
01:52:41,600 --> 01:52:46,080
Speaker 1: do you think about Kanye? I love all your app

2050
01:52:46,520 --> 01:52:49,160
Speaker 1: Can we talk about Kanye? You know? It's like you know,

2051
01:52:49,240 --> 01:52:52,920
Speaker 1: it's like okay, you know, yeah, well can I say

2052
01:52:52,920 --> 01:52:56,479
Speaker 1: that when when I found out that it's this is

2053
01:52:56,520 --> 01:53:00,760
Speaker 1: a person who didn't see black panther, go ahead, your card

2054
01:53:00,800 --> 01:53:02,080
Speaker 1: has been biscated.

2055
01:53:02,400 --> 01:53:02,879
Speaker 5: Revote.

2056
01:53:04,280 --> 01:53:05,680
Speaker 1: I want to say that when I found out that

2057
01:53:05,720 --> 01:53:08,360
Speaker 1: you were playing opposite Loretta Divine, I was like, I'm in,

2058
01:53:08,960 --> 01:53:09,280
Speaker 1: I'm in.

2059
01:53:09,520 --> 01:53:12,000
Speaker 5: That was just perfect casting, Like I wanted to.

2060
01:53:12,760 --> 01:53:14,679
Speaker 1: I wanted to see the way you tube played against

2061
01:53:14,720 --> 01:53:18,479
Speaker 1: each other, and you guys did not disappoint. Yeah. Yeah,

2062
01:53:18,479 --> 01:53:20,439
Speaker 1: like the comparents, you know, they were still getting it in.

2063
01:53:20,640 --> 01:53:20,880
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2064
01:53:20,920 --> 01:53:24,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. When I auditioned, you know, I met Gerard and Rel.

2065
01:53:24,439 --> 01:53:27,400
Speaker 1: I met Rell on like Twitter, and you know, we

2066
01:53:27,560 --> 01:53:29,160
Speaker 1: go back and forth to say, yea, I'm a big fan.

2067
01:53:29,280 --> 01:53:31,479
Speaker 1: I hope we get to work together. I'm like, yeah, cool, whatever.

2068
01:53:32,000 --> 01:53:35,400
Speaker 1: So then I saw Gerard and I was hosting this

2069
01:53:37,439 --> 01:53:41,400
Speaker 1: evening of stand up as part of the Montreal Comedy

2070
01:53:41,439 --> 01:53:44,800
Speaker 1: Festivals in twenty ten. I think, and if you've ever

2071
01:53:44,840 --> 01:53:50,200
Speaker 1: seen Gerard's comedy, well immediately he has an original voice.

2072
01:53:50,400 --> 01:53:53,439
Speaker 1: He's different from everybody else. So I always dug him

2073
01:53:53,640 --> 01:53:57,519
Speaker 1: as a comedian and so that that year, when I

2074
01:53:57,600 --> 01:54:00,439
Speaker 1: heard he was doing a show, I was like, do this.

2075
01:54:00,640 --> 01:54:02,880
Speaker 1: So I went in and I saw Loretta coming out

2076
01:54:03,000 --> 01:54:05,040
Speaker 1: of the building. I was like, Hey, what's up, Loretta,

2077
01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:08,040
Speaker 1: what's going on. We known each other for over thirty years,

2078
01:54:08,120 --> 01:54:12,280
Speaker 1: and she said, oh, they like you, David, everybody like him.

2079
01:54:16,680 --> 01:54:17,200
Speaker 5: Oh man.

2080
01:54:17,200 --> 01:54:19,280
Speaker 1: So I went in there and uh, it was just

2081
01:54:19,400 --> 01:54:19,960
Speaker 1: butter Man.

2082
01:54:20,040 --> 01:54:22,640
Speaker 9: You know, did you do any kind of outdoor like

2083
01:54:22,760 --> 01:54:25,280
Speaker 9: research or whatever, because me and Gerro grew up probably

2084
01:54:25,280 --> 01:54:27,200
Speaker 9: like thirty minute he grew up and say, I grew

2085
01:54:27,280 --> 01:54:30,479
Speaker 9: up in Greensborough And I'm telling you, man, your character,

2086
01:54:30,560 --> 01:54:34,040
Speaker 9: the way you played like, dude, that's like my uncle's.

2087
01:54:34,400 --> 01:54:35,480
Speaker 5: That was my family too.

2088
01:54:35,560 --> 01:54:39,000
Speaker 1: Though. The thing I loved about loved about the Carmichaels

2089
01:54:39,360 --> 01:54:42,960
Speaker 1: it was very much any real black family. Yeah, everybody

2090
01:54:42,960 --> 01:54:45,120
Speaker 1: got a hair. They say, like they could have been

2091
01:54:45,160 --> 01:54:51,800
Speaker 1: talking about the Canadian trade agreement. Everybody's gonna have they sit.

2092
01:54:52,480 --> 01:54:54,000
Speaker 1: Most of the people didn't read, they didn't know what

2093
01:54:54,920 --> 01:54:57,920
Speaker 1: informed they gonna say what they're gonna say. So yeah,

2094
01:54:57,920 --> 01:55:00,040
Speaker 1: I like that. I mean, I I really I I

2095
01:55:00,120 --> 01:55:05,600
Speaker 1: knew that character. I knew that black man. You understand. Uh,

2096
01:55:05,800 --> 01:55:09,160
Speaker 1: his kingdom was that barca lounger and that changer and

2097
01:55:09,200 --> 01:55:11,640
Speaker 1: that was about it. But he ruled it right there.

2098
01:55:11,680 --> 01:55:15,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, man, I really felt like also, I

2099
01:55:16,000 --> 01:55:18,360
Speaker 1: felt like I had earned the right to play it

2100
01:55:18,400 --> 01:55:22,320
Speaker 1: in terms of age and experience, and just I didn't

2101
01:55:22,360 --> 01:55:24,440
Speaker 1: really have to act. I mean I knew that. And

2102
01:55:24,600 --> 01:55:28,560
Speaker 1: the thing I loved about the Carmichaels is from comedy

2103
01:55:28,560 --> 01:55:30,920
Speaker 1: to Tears. I mean I feel like, out of all

2104
01:55:30,960 --> 01:55:34,920
Speaker 1: the rules I've done, that encompassed everything. I mean, I

2105
01:55:35,000 --> 01:55:40,200
Speaker 1: was able to go you know plan is emotionally.

2106
01:55:40,440 --> 01:55:44,160
Speaker 9: Yeah, the scene where the episode where he has to

2107
01:55:44,200 --> 01:55:46,560
Speaker 9: confess to the wife that he had a kid.

2108
01:55:49,320 --> 01:55:53,160
Speaker 1: Every scene, like with the Porno episode, would take you look, man,

2109
01:55:53,240 --> 01:55:57,240
Speaker 1: come on and go, oh, actually, David, I did find

2110
01:55:57,280 --> 01:56:02,480
Speaker 1: my parents porno stas okay, whatever. And then when he said,

2111
01:56:02,640 --> 01:56:05,600
Speaker 1: you know, with the kid, he said this happened in

2112
01:56:05,600 --> 01:56:08,520
Speaker 1: his family. So after that I just stopped questioning him.

2113
01:56:08,640 --> 01:56:12,080
Speaker 1: I mean, whatever the script was, Jara would be like, hey, man,

2114
01:56:12,120 --> 01:56:14,320
Speaker 1: I'm trying to tell you, and his parents, everybody his

2115
01:56:14,400 --> 01:56:16,880
Speaker 1: family would come and hang out and watch.

2116
01:56:17,480 --> 01:56:17,760
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:56:17,800 --> 01:56:22,120
Speaker 1: I really felt blessed. Man. I remember, I'll tell you

2118
01:56:22,160 --> 01:56:26,640
Speaker 1: a good story. So Tiffany, I saw the trailer for

2119
01:56:27,400 --> 01:56:31,440
Speaker 1: A Girl's Trip. I had not seen the movie, just

2120
01:56:31,480 --> 01:56:34,080
Speaker 1: saw the trailer in the theater and I came back

2121
01:56:34,080 --> 01:56:35,880
Speaker 1: and Tiffany was begging me at that but David, can

2122
01:56:35,880 --> 01:56:38,080
Speaker 1: I open for you? I was like, can you wait

2123
01:56:38,840 --> 01:56:41,680
Speaker 1: like a month, I'm gonna be opening for you. She

2124
01:56:41,800 --> 01:56:44,560
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, but I want to. I was like, Tiffany,

2125
01:56:44,600 --> 01:56:48,360
Speaker 1: do you realize what is about to happen? Well?

2126
01:56:48,600 --> 01:56:49,000
Speaker 5: I know.

2127
01:56:49,280 --> 01:56:51,720
Speaker 1: I was like, you have to listen to me and

2128
01:56:51,800 --> 01:56:55,240
Speaker 1: everything it was right there, man, please her shit blew

2129
01:56:55,360 --> 01:56:58,520
Speaker 1: all the fuck the way up. And it was again

2130
01:56:59,440 --> 01:57:02,400
Speaker 1: she was I mean all the crazy stories that you

2131
01:57:02,440 --> 01:57:05,320
Speaker 1: hear her say. I heard that ship every day, and

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01:57:05,360 --> 01:57:07,240
Speaker 1: she has she has a cure for cancer.

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01:57:08,200 --> 01:57:10,000
Speaker 9: She has a cure. Tiffany had it has a cure

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01:57:10,040 --> 01:57:13,760
Speaker 9: for cancer. I'm not bullshitting you, man, Can you share?

2135
01:57:13,920 --> 01:57:14,280
Speaker 5: I don't.

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01:57:14,440 --> 01:57:16,440
Speaker 1: I went to at that point, I would just go

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01:57:16,520 --> 01:57:21,560
Speaker 1: to my dressing room. Why David disappear? I was like, Tiffany,

2138
01:57:21,600 --> 01:57:22,280
Speaker 1: I just gotta go.

2139
01:57:22,640 --> 01:57:28,280
Speaker 5: Now are you Are you allowed to talk about what

2140
01:57:28,320 --> 01:57:30,960
Speaker 5: your character on Little rail show is going to be?

2141
01:57:31,160 --> 01:57:33,600
Speaker 1: I'm not on a Little Rel's show. I'm on the

2142
01:57:33,640 --> 01:57:38,880
Speaker 1: Cool Kids, but somehow online they think I'm in his show,

2143
01:57:39,000 --> 01:57:39,520
Speaker 1: but I'm not.

2144
01:57:40,080 --> 01:57:44,640
Speaker 5: It is I did see some advertising. Everything was the movie.

2145
01:57:45,960 --> 01:57:49,480
Speaker 1: It is my show that I'm doing with Vicky Lawrence

2146
01:57:49,520 --> 01:57:51,800
Speaker 1: and Martin Mall and Vicky Lawrence.

2147
01:57:51,560 --> 01:57:56,080
Speaker 4: From and the last person who else is the fourth.

2148
01:57:55,960 --> 01:57:59,640
Speaker 1: Leslie Jordan's he's like a four Footje's the gayest man

2149
01:57:59,680 --> 01:58:06,360
Speaker 1: I've been in a senior citizen facility. But I saw

2150
01:58:06,400 --> 01:58:10,760
Speaker 1: this thing on Instagram where I don't I think someone

2151
01:58:10,840 --> 01:58:13,000
Speaker 1: had to put that together honestly, because it's not.

2152
01:58:14,920 --> 01:58:15,440
Speaker 5: Advertising.

2153
01:58:15,960 --> 01:58:18,880
Speaker 1: It's not And again just go to the comments. I'm in.

2154
01:58:23,520 --> 01:58:26,120
Speaker 1: I didn't have the heart because you know in the

2155
01:58:26,200 --> 01:58:28,040
Speaker 1: comments they don't they don't care.

2156
01:58:28,400 --> 01:58:30,240
Speaker 5: Accuracy doesn't No, they don't care.

2157
01:58:30,440 --> 01:58:32,800
Speaker 1: They were like going all I mean, you know the people,

2158
01:58:32,800 --> 01:58:35,320
Speaker 1: they got an alternate universe. Oh oh, I see what's

2159
01:58:35,320 --> 01:58:37,160
Speaker 1: going on. They're trying to keep it on the double

2160
01:58:37,240 --> 01:58:39,879
Speaker 1: down low. They make us a super surprise.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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01:58:41,000 --> 01:58:43,000
Speaker 1: I didn't even get involved. But no, I saw it

2163
01:58:43,120 --> 01:58:43,720
Speaker 1: was looking.

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01:58:43,480 --> 01:58:45,360
Speaker 5: For like you syd bed and.

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Speaker 4: No I'm Lawrence because I ain't seen Lauren.

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01:58:51,840 --> 01:58:53,720
Speaker 1: She's putting it down. But that's my show. I'm doing

2167
01:58:53,720 --> 01:58:56,440
Speaker 1: Cool Kids on Fox. Rail is on Fox. And as

2168
01:58:56,480 --> 01:58:59,360
Speaker 1: matter of fact, we're right next door to each other.

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01:58:59,360 --> 01:59:06,320
Speaker 1: Our sounds age. Wait before I go, we got to

2170
01:59:06,360 --> 01:59:09,560
Speaker 1: talk music. Yes, I need to tell you we didn't

2171
01:59:09,560 --> 01:59:14,600
Speaker 1: even talk whiz we could talk about are we out

2172
01:59:14,600 --> 01:59:19,640
Speaker 1: of times? No, the Whiz was the one. The Whiz

2173
01:59:19,760 --> 01:59:20,360
Speaker 1: was the one man.

2174
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Speaker 4: Thank you for saying that. I just wanted to be fair.

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01:59:22,160 --> 01:59:26,960
Speaker 1: I mean again. Okay. When me and Reggie Kathy, we

2176
01:59:26,960 --> 01:59:30,440
Speaker 1: we drove with a bunch of friends across country to

2177
01:59:30,480 --> 01:59:33,200
Speaker 1: come to New York for the first time or during

2178
01:59:33,240 --> 01:59:36,640
Speaker 1: spring break, and we to go see some Broadway shows

2179
01:59:36,920 --> 01:59:39,560
Speaker 1: and we went to see The Whiz. We bought the

2180
01:59:39,680 --> 01:59:43,640
Speaker 1: second to the last row Majestic Theater six dollars tickets

2181
01:59:43,920 --> 01:59:48,120
Speaker 1: half price, and after the matinee, I went in with

2182
01:59:48,160 --> 01:59:50,600
Speaker 1: my eight by ten to the stage door and I

2183
01:59:50,680 --> 01:59:54,680
Speaker 1: wanted to give him my picture. In the door goes,

2184
01:59:55,000 --> 01:59:56,960
Speaker 1: you want to what I said? I want to be

2185
01:59:57,000 --> 01:59:59,960
Speaker 1: on Broadway. He busted out laughing. So he got a

2186
02:00:00,080 --> 02:00:01,640
Speaker 1: the pia he said, a man, come up in here,

2187
02:00:02,080 --> 02:00:05,840
Speaker 1: please any any any cast They came up tell him

2188
02:00:05,840 --> 02:00:08,600
Speaker 1: what you just told me. And I was like, I'm

2189
02:00:08,600 --> 02:00:11,640
Speaker 1: gonna act. I'm from I'm from Michigan and here's my

2190
02:00:12,080 --> 02:00:14,920
Speaker 1: but I want to be bro the stop. They laughed

2191
02:00:14,920 --> 02:00:17,600
Speaker 1: in my face and I was like, can I leave it?

2192
02:00:19,200 --> 02:00:23,640
Speaker 1: The clown me so hard. Yeah, I know, but they

2193
02:00:23,680 --> 02:00:27,120
Speaker 1: clown me so I'm telling you so to do the Wiz.

2194
02:00:27,320 --> 02:00:31,480
Speaker 1: I mean, and I had done this crazy version of

2195
02:00:31,520 --> 02:00:35,120
Speaker 1: the Wiz. Des Mackanov directed it at the La Joya

2196
02:00:35,200 --> 02:00:40,280
Speaker 1: Playhouse and I was in it, Nikki James, Titus Uhus.

2197
02:00:42,840 --> 02:00:44,960
Speaker 1: First of all, you all don't even know Titus has

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Speaker 1: the voice. So he did the lion and they raised

2199
02:00:50,760 --> 02:00:55,640
Speaker 1: the keys. I mean, he would do just crazy stuff.

2200
02:00:55,720 --> 02:01:00,000
Speaker 1: So he was in it, and Michael Benjamin Washing, Michael Washington,

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02:01:00,240 --> 02:01:01,600
Speaker 1: Michael Benjamin He's gonna kill me.

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Speaker 5: But whatever.

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02:01:02,520 --> 02:01:06,560
Speaker 1: Anyway, so that never made it. That never made it

2204
02:01:06,600 --> 02:01:11,960
Speaker 1: to Broadway. I knew Kenny Leon and when it was announced,

2205
02:01:12,080 --> 02:01:13,880
Speaker 1: I texted Kenny. I said, hey, man, I want to

2206
02:01:13,880 --> 02:01:15,360
Speaker 1: do the Wiz. And I played the Whiz in this

2207
02:01:15,440 --> 02:01:17,880
Speaker 1: production of some point I was trying to make and

2208
02:01:17,960 --> 02:01:19,760
Speaker 1: Kenny kind of hit me back. He say like, man,

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what I'm doing. I mean, let

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02:01:21,560 --> 02:01:23,720
Speaker 1: me just hit you when I you know, when I

2211
02:01:23,760 --> 02:01:25,520
Speaker 1: meet with the network and figure out what we're going

2212
02:01:25,600 --> 02:01:29,480
Speaker 1: to do. So I was performing at Carolines a few

2213
02:01:29,840 --> 02:01:32,880
Speaker 1: A couple weeks later, he came with his assistant. But

2214
02:01:32,960 --> 02:01:35,280
Speaker 1: I was pushing the Wiz because that's what I played

2215
02:01:35,320 --> 02:01:37,960
Speaker 1: before I figured, you know, from the movie, that's kind

2216
02:01:37,960 --> 02:01:40,560
Speaker 1: of like Richard Pryor did it, so maybe I could

2217
02:01:40,600 --> 02:01:44,960
Speaker 1: get in here. And he goes, so what other what

2218
02:01:45,080 --> 02:01:46,360
Speaker 1: charat do you want to play as the Wiz? And

2219
02:01:46,360 --> 02:01:48,800
Speaker 1: he goes, okay, anything else? I mean, would you do

2220
02:01:48,840 --> 02:01:53,440
Speaker 1: another part? And I'm like inside, I'm like, shit, yeah, sure,

2221
02:01:53,480 --> 02:01:55,880
Speaker 1: I just want to be a part of it. So

2222
02:01:56,000 --> 02:01:58,280
Speaker 1: he said, what about the Lion. I was like, oh fuck,

2223
02:01:58,400 --> 02:02:04,760
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, yeah, so from the un yeah, you know,

2224
02:02:05,320 --> 02:02:08,400
Speaker 1: you know, but but the Whiz was the stuff, so

2225
02:02:08,680 --> 02:02:13,560
Speaker 1: long story shark, we do this thing and Kenny all along.

2226
02:02:14,080 --> 02:02:16,720
Speaker 1: It was like the way he directs us, Now this

2227
02:02:16,720 --> 02:02:23,600
Speaker 1: is motherfuckers, y'all got one shut shut you fuck this up?

2228
02:02:24,280 --> 02:02:26,840
Speaker 1: You know. He kept going and kept going, and so

2229
02:02:26,920 --> 02:02:29,480
Speaker 1: I turned my phone off, and I can feel, like,

2230
02:02:29,680 --> 02:02:31,440
Speaker 1: you know, people online, black folks were like, you know,

2231
02:02:31,440 --> 02:02:34,520
Speaker 1: they better not fucked us up, and they got real hot.

2232
02:02:34,560 --> 02:02:36,200
Speaker 1: So I was like, damn, well, let me just do

2233
02:02:36,240 --> 02:02:39,000
Speaker 1: my litt lunch. So I went to my trailer. They

2234
02:02:39,000 --> 02:02:42,120
Speaker 1: gave these big ass busses. After it was all done,

2235
02:02:43,560 --> 02:02:47,440
Speaker 1: it was good. I mean, you guys got the best version. Okay,

2236
02:02:47,480 --> 02:02:50,600
Speaker 1: So I turned my phone on and I was not

2237
02:02:50,680 --> 02:02:58,200
Speaker 1: expecting the response. I got emails, I got texts, messages, letters,

2238
02:02:58,280 --> 02:03:01,600
Speaker 1: I mean, from people I hadn't heard from in twenty years.

2239
02:03:01,920 --> 02:03:03,760
Speaker 1: A lot of them would start, David, is this still

2240
02:03:03,840 --> 02:03:08,800
Speaker 1: your email? Black women? And they were saying, I'm sitting

2241
02:03:08,920 --> 02:03:12,600
Speaker 1: on my bed with my daughter, I'm watching with my

2242
02:03:12,760 --> 02:03:16,600
Speaker 1: nieces and nephews. I'm crying, I'm dancing. It was just

2243
02:03:17,120 --> 02:03:20,360
Speaker 1: such a flood of love because I was like, I'm

2244
02:03:20,400 --> 02:03:23,280
Speaker 1: sure we're gonna get some bullshit. So no, it was.

2245
02:03:23,440 --> 02:03:27,800
Speaker 1: The response was so great, was so amazing that that's

2246
02:03:27,800 --> 02:03:30,000
Speaker 1: what was humbling about it. It was really great. It

2247
02:03:30,040 --> 02:03:33,760
Speaker 1: was such a great experience man, to be involved in that.

2248
02:03:33,880 --> 02:03:34,560
Speaker 4: I brought it back.

2249
02:03:35,200 --> 02:03:37,880
Speaker 3: That should always be a part of a black child's life.

2250
02:03:38,160 --> 02:03:39,400
Speaker 3: You should always know about the way.

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02:03:39,480 --> 02:03:40,720
Speaker 5: It was such a joy to watch that.

2252
02:03:41,080 --> 02:03:42,000
Speaker 1: I'll tell you real quick.

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02:03:42,040 --> 02:03:42,400
Speaker 5: You don't know.

2254
02:03:43,280 --> 02:03:47,920
Speaker 1: No, he didn't, man, you counterfit man stops. My daughter's ten.

2255
02:03:49,320 --> 02:03:53,240
Speaker 1: She was about seven and her mom showed her the

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02:03:53,320 --> 02:03:54,080
Speaker 1: movie first.

2257
02:03:54,760 --> 02:03:56,200
Speaker 4: Oh, she was scared.

2258
02:03:56,960 --> 02:03:59,600
Speaker 1: No, when I came, When Lulu came to visit me,

2259
02:04:00,200 --> 02:04:02,360
Speaker 1: I showed her The Wizard of Oz. So she was

2260
02:04:02,400 --> 02:04:05,800
Speaker 1: about five then, and she kept looking at it. She

2261
02:04:05,840 --> 02:04:08,480
Speaker 1: saw like seven times in one weekend because for me,

2262
02:04:08,960 --> 02:04:10,640
Speaker 1: we only got to see it once a year. So

2263
02:04:10,720 --> 02:04:12,560
Speaker 1: I had the DVD. I was like, you can watch

2264
02:04:12,560 --> 02:04:14,720
Speaker 1: this shit all day. So she would get up watching

2265
02:04:14,800 --> 02:04:18,040
Speaker 1: She's going, Daddy. I think they they took this from

2266
02:04:18,040 --> 02:04:21,440
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson's movie. I said, you think so, yeah, because

2267
02:04:21,440 --> 02:04:23,280
Speaker 1: you know kids at that age whatever they see first.

2268
02:04:23,440 --> 02:04:25,160
Speaker 1: When it came to I said, but you know this

2269
02:04:25,320 --> 02:04:29,240
Speaker 1: is an older movie, and she goes, Michael Jackson did

2270
02:04:29,280 --> 02:04:32,160
Speaker 1: this movie because it's real similar, don't you think? And

2271
02:04:32,200 --> 02:04:36,160
Speaker 1: I was like, she was like going, I said, which

2272
02:04:36,160 --> 02:04:37,640
Speaker 1: one do you like? She goes, I think I like

2273
02:04:37,720 --> 02:04:40,920
Speaker 1: the Michael Jackson one better. Yea. So it was so

2274
02:04:41,000 --> 02:04:42,880
Speaker 1: it was fun. It was fun. But people didn't know

2275
02:04:42,920 --> 02:04:46,360
Speaker 1: that we did the Broadway version. We never had the

2276
02:04:46,440 --> 02:04:49,680
Speaker 1: rights to the film because that was a whole different thing.

2277
02:04:49,760 --> 02:04:52,920
Speaker 1: That was a whole different money. And it was beautiful. Man,

2278
02:04:52,920 --> 02:04:55,120
Speaker 1: it was a beautiful experience. It was really fun. I've

2279
02:04:55,120 --> 02:04:58,400
Speaker 1: never done anything where you do one performance, you know,

2280
02:04:58,440 --> 02:05:02,240
Speaker 1: we rehearsed for two months. Man, Yeah, man, you did

2281
02:05:02,280 --> 02:05:07,000
Speaker 1: it again. But that lion outfit, the lion outfit, it was,

2282
02:05:07,080 --> 02:05:10,440
Speaker 1: oh my god, this thing when we started, we did

2283
02:05:10,480 --> 02:05:14,760
Speaker 1: our text the dancers like there's there's water on the stage,

2284
02:05:15,720 --> 02:05:17,600
Speaker 1: you know, this at the very end, and this after

2285
02:05:19,080 --> 02:05:22,400
Speaker 1: what's the Eviline comes in and it's you know, everybody rejoiced.

2286
02:05:22,840 --> 02:05:24,640
Speaker 1: And finally I put my hand up. I said, that's

2287
02:05:24,720 --> 02:05:27,120
Speaker 1: me sweating, and everybody said, oh, David, he's so crazy

2288
02:05:27,400 --> 02:05:31,240
Speaker 1: that lion outfit. Because it was TV, it had no ventilation.

2289
02:05:31,760 --> 02:05:34,520
Speaker 1: So by the time I got to that point, all

2290
02:05:34,640 --> 02:05:37,640
Speaker 1: the water, my sweat was puddled in my hands, in

2291
02:05:37,720 --> 02:05:40,280
Speaker 1: my feet, and it just started dripping out and it

2292
02:05:40,320 --> 02:05:45,840
Speaker 1: would be on the stage and they were slipping, slip. Yeah,

2293
02:05:45,880 --> 02:05:49,360
Speaker 1: it was It was wild. We survived. We survived one wow.

2294
02:05:50,320 --> 02:05:53,440
Speaker 1: But wait quick, can I give you okay? Now, these

2295
02:05:53,440 --> 02:05:57,440
Speaker 1: are the greatest concerts I went to. In nineteen seventy two,

2296
02:05:58,120 --> 02:06:01,600
Speaker 1: I saw the Rolling Stones in Kobo Hall in Detroit.

2297
02:06:02,240 --> 02:06:06,160
Speaker 1: The opening act was Stevie Wonder Now seventy two. This

2298
02:06:06,200 --> 02:06:10,160
Speaker 1: is intervision. This is when Stevie had changed his background.

2299
02:06:10,240 --> 02:06:14,040
Speaker 1: Singers were Martha and the Vandellas. Oh wow, so dude,

2300
02:06:14,360 --> 02:06:19,240
Speaker 1: they rocked the house. The Stones come on, they played,

2301
02:06:19,480 --> 02:06:24,040
Speaker 1: and then they brought the entire Motown band Stevie Wonder,

2302
02:06:24,200 --> 02:06:27,520
Speaker 1: Martha and the Vandel's and they all did Uptight. Yeah,

2303
02:06:27,560 --> 02:06:29,800
Speaker 1: they did Uptight and something else. I can't get no

2304
02:06:29,840 --> 02:06:34,920
Speaker 1: st it was just that was probably probably one of

2305
02:06:34,920 --> 02:06:37,800
Speaker 1: the greatest conscience. Of course, I saw the Motown Review

2306
02:06:37,960 --> 02:06:41,360
Speaker 1: as a kid, and back in the day, you go

2307
02:06:41,800 --> 02:06:43,920
Speaker 1: they had an early show where they'd showed a movie,

2308
02:06:44,800 --> 02:06:47,160
Speaker 1: then the band would be behind the screen and they

2309
02:06:47,200 --> 02:06:49,280
Speaker 1: pulled the screen up and then you did a Motown review.

2310
02:06:49,360 --> 02:06:50,520
Speaker 1: So I remember that.

2311
02:06:50,640 --> 02:06:53,320
Speaker 5: We were they Okay, I'm glad you you. I went

2312
02:06:53,360 --> 02:06:55,080
Speaker 5: thisess did this because I always wanted to know, because

2313
02:06:55,200 --> 02:06:57,480
Speaker 5: they would do at the Apollo, like five of those

2314
02:06:57,480 --> 02:06:59,960
Speaker 5: a day, and people tell me, like, you know, you

2315
02:07:00,120 --> 02:07:02,760
Speaker 5: go there, what did? They would show a cartoon first,

2316
02:07:02,760 --> 02:07:04,080
Speaker 5: then a movie, then a comedian.

2317
02:07:04,240 --> 02:07:06,960
Speaker 1: Then well, as I remember, they showed the movie and

2318
02:07:07,000 --> 02:07:10,000
Speaker 1: this was early because we were kids and it was wintertime.

2319
02:07:10,120 --> 02:07:15,600
Speaker 1: So we went and Willie Tyler and Lester were there.

2320
02:07:16,000 --> 02:07:16,800
Speaker 5: Oh wow.

2321
02:07:17,240 --> 02:07:20,400
Speaker 1: And then they had what was the name of this

2322
02:07:20,440 --> 02:07:24,440
Speaker 1: group it was, you know they did it was all

2323
02:07:24,480 --> 02:07:30,360
Speaker 1: white group and they did Cloud nine, Rare Earth, Rare Earth.

2324
02:07:31,200 --> 02:07:33,320
Speaker 1: Willie Tyrann and Lester were really big. But you know,

2325
02:07:33,360 --> 02:07:36,480
Speaker 1: Stevie Wonder played. The Supremes were gone by then, so

2326
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Speaker 1: this has gotta be sixty six. Okay, sixty probably nineteen

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Speaker 1: sixty six, because after the riot everything was fucked up.

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Speaker 1: So I'm pretty sure it's probably sixty six.

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Speaker 5: Were you there in Detroit for those rights?

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Speaker 1: Of course, as a matter of fact, the movie Detroit

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Speaker 1: that's five blocks from my house. That's five blocks from

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Speaker 1: my house, and so to watch that movie and that

2333
02:07:59,000 --> 02:08:01,880
Speaker 1: Algiers Motel, we used to drive bass there all the time.

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02:08:03,280 --> 02:08:10,600
Speaker 1: That movie. It's just no uh uh uh film. It

2335
02:08:10,720 --> 02:08:14,440
Speaker 1: was so big, it was so much bigger that city

2336
02:08:14,720 --> 02:08:19,040
Speaker 1: never recovered it never ever. Detroit never came back. It

2337
02:08:19,160 --> 02:08:23,040
Speaker 1: was so much bigger. It was funny. I talked to

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02:08:23,640 --> 02:08:27,680
Speaker 1: Eric Dyson about Detroit. He loved it. I didn't this because.

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Speaker 5: Most black people Okay, I worked on the film scoring,

2340
02:08:31,720 --> 02:08:35,880
Speaker 5: but I most black people I know told me that

2341
02:08:37,280 --> 02:08:41,200
Speaker 5: it was hard for them to watch it because literally

2342
02:08:41,200 --> 02:08:44,000
Speaker 5: it was a snuff film. Yeah, and you know it

2343
02:08:44,040 --> 02:08:46,360
Speaker 5: was in twenty.

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02:08:45,880 --> 02:08:48,840
Speaker 9: Sixteen when we were watching actual stuff film. Yeah, fucking

2345
02:08:48,880 --> 02:08:50,080
Speaker 9: Twitter and Facebook.

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02:08:50,560 --> 02:08:53,040
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, man, it was. It was much

2347
02:08:53,200 --> 02:08:57,800
Speaker 1: bigger than that movie. I mean, you know, the acting

2348
02:08:57,880 --> 02:08:58,320
Speaker 1: was awesome.

2349
02:08:58,400 --> 02:09:03,000
Speaker 5: I like she just wanted to tell one story, and

2350
02:09:03,320 --> 02:09:05,839
Speaker 5: you know the story of the dramatics really.

2351
02:09:05,680 --> 02:09:10,320
Speaker 1: Just yeah, yeah, I understand. There's a website that I

2352
02:09:10,480 --> 02:09:16,560
Speaker 1: found that someone put up, and this person researched as

2353
02:09:16,600 --> 02:09:21,360
Speaker 1: much as they could each fatality that happened during the riot,

2354
02:09:21,600 --> 02:09:24,600
Speaker 1: and so they try to do a background of the

2355
02:09:24,640 --> 02:09:28,480
Speaker 1: person and how they actually were killed. It's really creepy

2356
02:09:28,560 --> 02:09:35,160
Speaker 1: and spooky and weird. There is a film there. It's

2357
02:09:35,280 --> 02:09:39,960
Speaker 1: just also that's like the movie Ali, you know, living

2358
02:09:40,040 --> 02:09:44,960
Speaker 1: through Ali, the real person as a kid, to see

2359
02:09:44,960 --> 02:09:48,000
Speaker 1: it fictionalized. I was too close to that material. So

2360
02:09:48,040 --> 02:09:50,879
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. Be born and raised in Detroit,

2361
02:09:51,120 --> 02:09:54,880
Speaker 1: a few blocks from the im just too close to

2362
02:09:55,000 --> 02:09:57,720
Speaker 1: get some distance and really talk about it.

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02:09:58,200 --> 02:10:01,000
Speaker 3: But we're just starting to experience that now. And people

2364
02:10:01,000 --> 02:10:11,760
Speaker 3: said that, but like Biggie Movies and Tupac.

2365
02:10:07,120 --> 02:10:09,960
Speaker 1: Used to hang out at the at the set when

2366
02:10:10,000 --> 02:10:13,880
Speaker 1: we did in Living Color, I Wake Up Down was

2367
02:10:14,680 --> 02:10:17,440
Speaker 1: the living driver. Well, dig So the story was when

2368
02:10:17,440 --> 02:10:19,880
Speaker 1: I woke up, I see all these policemen. You know,

2369
02:10:20,320 --> 02:10:23,120
Speaker 1: I've been sleeping in my dressing room, like they got

2370
02:10:23,120 --> 02:10:25,800
Speaker 1: a fucking corral. These extras, man, they're all over the

2371
02:10:25,840 --> 02:10:29,040
Speaker 1: place and they were real policemen. So Tupac was there,

2372
02:10:29,680 --> 02:10:34,800
Speaker 1: and the story was he claimed that the limo driver

2373
02:10:35,480 --> 02:10:38,840
Speaker 1: had a gun. Now, the limo driver called the police.

2374
02:10:38,880 --> 02:10:42,040
Speaker 1: This is the story I heard, and they claimed Tupac

2375
02:10:42,160 --> 02:10:44,880
Speaker 1: had the gun. Gun, So they came and they took Tupac.

2376
02:10:45,320 --> 02:10:49,320
Speaker 1: But the next day they found a gun in the bushes.

2377
02:10:49,520 --> 02:10:54,320
Speaker 1: Like Tupac wasn't lying. Motherfucker had a gun. That was real.

2378
02:10:54,400 --> 02:10:56,200
Speaker 1: That was regular day. That was a regular day, a

2379
02:10:56,280 --> 02:10:59,520
Speaker 1: living color man. Tupac was little too. He was a

2380
02:10:59,520 --> 02:11:04,680
Speaker 1: little guy physically. All that voice, all that shit, man,

2381
02:11:04,720 --> 02:11:08,040
Speaker 1: it was deep man. Anyways, that's about it. I'll tell

2382
02:11:08,040 --> 02:11:14,800
Speaker 1: you one last music story. The craziest lineup. I saw Santana,

2383
02:11:15,880 --> 02:11:20,240
Speaker 1: Leonard Skinner, and Bobby Womack. It was all in the

2384
02:11:20,280 --> 02:11:23,840
Speaker 1: same bill. It was Bobby Womack first and it was

2385
02:11:24,080 --> 02:11:28,120
Speaker 1: Santana was headlining. Leonard Skinner came on second, and they

2386
02:11:28,200 --> 02:11:30,680
Speaker 1: gave us the finger and spit at the crowd, you know,

2387
02:11:30,720 --> 02:11:33,240
Speaker 1: because it was like people wasn't there to see them.

2388
02:11:33,240 --> 02:11:35,840
Speaker 1: And it was during Caravan Sarai. So this is after

2389
02:11:35,880 --> 02:11:40,480
Speaker 1: Santana had gotten knowledge, you know, Coltrane and all that stuff.

2390
02:11:40,560 --> 02:11:43,600
Speaker 1: But that, you know as a kid, because that's all

2391
02:11:43,640 --> 02:11:46,320
Speaker 1: we did is go to concerts. For me, that's I

2392
02:11:46,400 --> 02:11:49,080
Speaker 1: wasn't into sports. All we did is get high and

2393
02:11:49,120 --> 02:11:50,200
Speaker 1: go to concerts.

2394
02:11:50,560 --> 02:11:57,080
Speaker 5: Yes, do you miss that feeling now? Like? What? What?

2395
02:11:57,520 --> 02:11:58,080
Speaker 1: Well? I miss?

2396
02:11:59,120 --> 02:12:02,520
Speaker 5: That's still exciting. Maybe basketball is exciting. Like to see yeah,

2397
02:12:02,680 --> 02:12:05,839
Speaker 5: I mean someone genuine performing their craft.

2398
02:12:05,920 --> 02:12:09,520
Speaker 1: I would go see Moses Sumny Okay, yeah, he's a cat.

2399
02:12:09,560 --> 02:12:11,880
Speaker 1: I really like. I like him, but to get me

2400
02:12:11,920 --> 02:12:14,440
Speaker 1: out the house to see music. It's been a while.

2401
02:12:14,720 --> 02:12:17,400
Speaker 1: I went to see Charles Lloyd one time with my

2402
02:12:17,520 --> 02:12:21,640
Speaker 1: girlfriend here in LA and it was back in the

2403
02:12:21,760 --> 02:12:23,680
Speaker 1: nineties when he did you know, notes from Big sur

2404
02:12:23,840 --> 02:12:29,320
Speaker 1: and stuff. And he's playing and listen to me, man,

2405
02:12:30,280 --> 02:12:34,480
Speaker 1: it was so deep. It's like he levitated from the stage.

2406
02:12:35,000 --> 02:12:38,400
Speaker 1: He was hovering in space. He took me there, you know,

2407
02:12:38,520 --> 02:12:42,240
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting there going, oh my god, this is

2408
02:12:42,560 --> 02:12:44,480
Speaker 1: killing me. So I get in the car and I'm

2409
02:12:44,560 --> 02:12:47,200
Speaker 1: driving home and I asked my girlfriend call if I

2410
02:12:47,240 --> 02:12:49,800
Speaker 1: tell you something. We promised not to laugh. She goes, yeah,

2411
02:12:49,800 --> 02:12:52,480
Speaker 1: what what's up? Okay. I was listening to Charles Lloyd

2412
02:12:53,200 --> 02:12:54,600
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, he just was floating in

2413
02:12:54,680 --> 02:12:56,840
Speaker 1: space right in front of me. It was like we

2414
02:12:56,840 --> 02:12:58,919
Speaker 1: weren't even in that I think it was the Catalena

2415
02:12:58,920 --> 02:13:01,120
Speaker 1: barn girl. We weren't even in that space. We were

2416
02:13:01,160 --> 02:13:04,440
Speaker 1: just in the universe. And she went, yeah, I saw

2417
02:13:04,480 --> 02:13:09,720
Speaker 1: that too, That's what I'm talking about. Man, take me out.

2418
02:13:09,920 --> 02:13:13,680
Speaker 1: It was like so amazing, Like, oh my god, yeah,

2419
02:13:13,840 --> 02:13:19,160
Speaker 1: I want to be taken away. Yeah, now it sounds crazy,

2420
02:13:19,240 --> 02:13:21,640
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm just do you can somebody in the

2421
02:13:23,440 --> 02:13:25,600
Speaker 1: next question when you get in the zone, come on,

2422
02:13:25,680 --> 02:13:26,960
Speaker 1: now you're gonna back me up?

2423
02:13:27,040 --> 02:13:30,720
Speaker 5: Or no, there's some moment. I mean, you know, it's

2424
02:13:30,800 --> 02:13:33,160
Speaker 5: it's as far and few between, of course. I mean

2425
02:13:33,160 --> 02:13:36,160
Speaker 5: there's some rock shows. I mean, like I still when

2426
02:13:36,200 --> 02:13:39,520
Speaker 5: I see Radiohead, I'm still I still feel that way.

2427
02:13:39,560 --> 02:13:41,560
Speaker 5: But it's like you really got to widen your palate.

2428
02:13:41,640 --> 02:13:45,720
Speaker 5: But I mean just for the days were like it's weird,

2429
02:13:45,800 --> 02:13:49,160
Speaker 5: like watching blow like I have to play with Blao

2430
02:13:49,360 --> 02:13:52,200
Speaker 5: in order to get that joy. So sometimes I have

2431
02:13:52,280 --> 02:13:54,120
Speaker 5: an out of by experience when he has a good

2432
02:13:54,240 --> 02:13:55,800
Speaker 5: night and improvising.

2433
02:13:55,880 --> 02:13:58,520
Speaker 1: It's rare. This was that I feel over ten years ago.

2434
02:13:58,800 --> 02:14:01,920
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I had great experiences. I saw David

2435
02:14:01,920 --> 02:14:06,840
Speaker 1: Bowie the Ziggy Starters tour. That changed everything. I mean,

2436
02:14:07,040 --> 02:14:10,240
Speaker 1: I was like sixteen, I've never seen no shit like that.

2437
02:14:10,840 --> 02:14:15,280
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, you know, what the fuck is this? Prince?

2438
02:14:16,760 --> 02:14:20,360
Speaker 1: I met Prince, but I could it was too much.

2439
02:14:20,680 --> 02:14:23,920
Speaker 9: We actually in the studio where Prince, oh yeah, I

2440
02:14:24,000 --> 02:14:27,760
Speaker 9: forgot to note that we are literally and we finally,

2441
02:14:27,840 --> 02:14:30,280
Speaker 9: ladies and gentlemen, we made it to Studio three.

2442
02:14:30,640 --> 02:14:33,160
Speaker 5: As many times we tried, This is Studio three where

2443
02:14:34,000 --> 02:14:37,800
Speaker 5: most of nineteen ninety nine was created. Purple Rain, all

2444
02:14:37,840 --> 02:14:40,640
Speaker 5: the B sides of Purple Raine, around the World in Today,

2445
02:14:40,880 --> 02:14:44,600
Speaker 5: and the Parade album and parts of Sign at the time.

2446
02:14:44,640 --> 02:14:46,240
Speaker 1: All right, I'll tell you a quick Prince story then

2447
02:14:46,560 --> 02:14:49,040
Speaker 1: I'll shut up. But I went to I performed at

2448
02:14:49,080 --> 02:14:51,840
Speaker 1: the All Star Game when it was in Minneapolis, and

2449
02:14:51,920 --> 02:14:54,920
Speaker 1: I performed at the Avenue Avenue Club or the First

2450
02:14:55,200 --> 02:14:58,680
Speaker 1: Avenue Club, and I took the whole gig because I'm yeah,

2451
02:14:58,720 --> 02:15:00,880
Speaker 1: because they booked me to do comedy. But the only

2452
02:15:00,920 --> 02:15:03,160
Speaker 1: reason I went is to meet Prince. So I go

2453
02:15:03,160 --> 02:15:04,880
Speaker 1: all the way there and they said, well, Princes in here.

2454
02:15:04,960 --> 02:15:08,360
Speaker 1: But his road manager took me to Paisley Park, you know,

2455
02:15:08,360 --> 02:15:09,960
Speaker 1: And at that time, it's got to be ninety five

2456
02:15:10,000 --> 02:15:13,320
Speaker 1: or ninety six Paisley Park. That was farmland out there,

2457
02:15:13,440 --> 02:15:15,640
Speaker 1: like we drove out, but it was all there. You

2458
02:15:15,640 --> 02:15:18,720
Speaker 1: could have done in living color at Paisley Park. I mean,

2459
02:15:18,840 --> 02:15:21,520
Speaker 1: they took me all through it, everything, And so he

2460
02:15:21,600 --> 02:15:23,680
Speaker 1: told me this story. He said, well, Nero on tour.

2461
02:15:24,680 --> 02:15:27,800
Speaker 1: It was about three three in the morning. He gets

2462
02:15:27,840 --> 02:15:30,640
Speaker 1: a call from Prince and he picks up the phone

2463
02:15:30,680 --> 02:15:34,520
Speaker 1: and Princess motherfucker is motherfucker's call. I get motherfucker voices

2464
02:15:34,560 --> 02:15:38,320
Speaker 1: coming from the motherfucking walls. And he's like, Princess three said, motherfucker,

2465
02:15:38,800 --> 02:15:42,680
Speaker 1: I'm hearing motherfucking voices coming from the motherfucking walls. And

2466
02:15:42,720 --> 02:15:45,680
Speaker 1: so he goes to Prince's room, knocks on the door

2467
02:15:45,680 --> 02:15:50,840
Speaker 1: of Prince answers and he has white satin pajamas, perm tight,

2468
02:15:51,880 --> 02:15:55,600
Speaker 1: white satin do rag, full makeup, and white satin high

2469
02:15:55,640 --> 02:15:59,360
Speaker 1: heeled boots and he says, dude, what's going on? He said, motherfucker,

2470
02:15:59,360 --> 02:16:01,680
Speaker 1: I told you here, and motherfucking voices coming from the

2471
02:16:01,720 --> 02:16:04,560
Speaker 1: motherfucking walls. So they come in like Princy tripping, and

2472
02:16:04,600 --> 02:16:07,840
Speaker 1: they go in there and they hear this voice. So

2473
02:16:07,880 --> 02:16:11,800
Speaker 1: they called the hotel security. They come in, they do

2474
02:16:11,840 --> 02:16:14,120
Speaker 1: a whole sweep of the floor, and they find a

2475
02:16:14,200 --> 02:16:18,800
Speaker 1: crawl space behind his bed, and they go into crawl

2476
02:16:18,840 --> 02:16:22,520
Speaker 1: space and they find this girl in there with a flashlight.

2477
02:16:22,600 --> 02:16:26,920
Speaker 1: Listen to me with a flashlight and a bible who

2478
02:16:26,920 --> 02:16:30,360
Speaker 1: has been reading verses? And the dude said as they

2479
02:16:30,400 --> 02:16:33,360
Speaker 1: took the woman out the police. Prince said at his

2480
02:16:33,480 --> 02:16:36,320
Speaker 1: coffee table with his legs crossed like this went. I

2481
02:16:36,360 --> 02:16:43,640
Speaker 1: told y'all motherfucker's walls. But y'all motherfuckers didn't believe. I

2482
02:16:43,800 --> 02:16:49,000
Speaker 1: fell out left. It was just like that.

2483
02:16:49,120 --> 02:16:56,480
Speaker 5: I was like, wow, thank you, thank.

2484
02:16:56,280 --> 02:16:59,520
Speaker 9: You, We love we appreciate you so much everything.

2485
02:17:00,200 --> 02:17:04,080
Speaker 1: Yes, I know Dave Chappelle. He was I think he

2486
02:17:04,160 --> 02:17:06,320
Speaker 1: was eighteen when he middled for me the first time

2487
02:17:06,320 --> 02:17:09,000
Speaker 1: I met him in New York. Really kill it, Yeah, Caroline.

2488
02:17:09,040 --> 02:17:11,039
Speaker 1: People will come in and go great sat Day. Who

2489
02:17:11,120 --> 02:17:14,080
Speaker 1: is that kid that went on before you? It was amazing.

2490
02:17:14,560 --> 02:17:19,080
Speaker 3: It's like ghetto's Dave Man, get him to stop by.

2491
02:17:19,920 --> 02:17:21,119
Speaker 1: He won't sign the release.

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02:17:24,480 --> 02:17:27,680
Speaker 5: One for the records anyway. On behalf of a team

2493
02:17:27,760 --> 02:17:31,960
Speaker 5: Supreme uh Layah and f Tickeelo and Boston Bill and

2494
02:17:32,000 --> 02:17:34,640
Speaker 5: I'm paid Bill and Sugar Stef you cool Sugar Steve.

2495
02:17:34,760 --> 02:17:39,279
Speaker 10: Yeah, man, just after Sugar Network and continuing my work there.

2496
02:17:39,200 --> 02:17:48,320
Speaker 5: Is sweet see what I did sweet Ghost David very

2497
02:17:48,400 --> 02:17:49,360
Speaker 5: much for doing our show.

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02:17:49,480 --> 02:17:51,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I love it. I can't wait to see

2499
02:17:51,840 --> 02:17:56,360
Speaker 1: you hi, because remember we met at the toy party.

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Speaker 5: Damn Yes, your memories awesome.

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02:17:59,080 --> 02:18:01,720
Speaker 1: Your mom was right there. Yeah, yeah, you gave me,

2502
02:18:01,760 --> 02:18:03,920
Speaker 1: you gave me. What's up man? Moms was like, I'm

2503
02:18:03,920 --> 02:18:05,400
Speaker 1: a very big fan. She was eating.

2504
02:18:05,920 --> 02:18:10,560
Speaker 5: Yeah. He remembers everything. Yo. This ist Love Cours Love

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02:18:10,600 --> 02:18:12,840
Speaker 5: Supreme only on Pandora. We will see you on the

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Speaker 5: next go round. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Couest.

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