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<v Speaker 1>This is the most dramatic podcast ever and I heard

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<v Speaker 1>radio podcast. Hello everybody, and welcome to the most dramatic

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<v Speaker 1>podcast ever. I'm Chris Harrison. I am so excited to

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<v Speaker 1>be back with you each week, and the more I've

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<v Speaker 1>gotten into doing this podcast, the more excited I get

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<v Speaker 1>every week. And I miss not talking to you, So

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<v Speaker 1>I look forward to our time together. And I want

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<v Speaker 1>to say thank you to everybody that we have run

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<v Speaker 1>into over the last two weeks. Elzi and I have

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<v Speaker 1>been traveling. We were at the much talked about now

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<v Speaker 1>Golf tournament in Orlando. I don't know if that that

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<v Speaker 1>tournament has ever had so much press because I think

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<v Speaker 1>thinking thinks in large part to Ben Higgins running into

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Lane wells Adams was there, Ben's wife Jessica, and

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<v Speaker 1>of course Sarah was there. L Z was there with me,

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<v Speaker 1>and we had a phenomenal time. But the best part

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<v Speaker 1>of it for me anyway, was running into all of you.

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<v Speaker 1>We ran into so many people while and around at

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<v Speaker 1>events or at the golf course and came up and

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<v Speaker 1>said hello, which we always love. But what I really

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<v Speaker 1>enjoyed personally was how many of you said you're listening

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<v Speaker 1>to the podcast, how many said it's touched you. You

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<v Speaker 1>were emotional. I I love it. I love all the notes.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate it so much. And it was wonderful to

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<v Speaker 1>see so many people. And then Elsie and I went

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<v Speaker 1>to New York caught a little Broadway which was spectacular,

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<v Speaker 1>and met even more people. But I was I'm wondering

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<v Speaker 1>if this happens to anybody else, You have these little

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<v Speaker 1>moments in life, they just kind of kick you in

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<v Speaker 1>the ass and and humble you a little bit and

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<v Speaker 1>put you in your place in a good way. Lauren

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<v Speaker 1>and I after Sunday, we're leaving Orlando and we were

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<v Speaker 1>at the airport. I was trying to catch that the

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<v Speaker 1>Cowboys forty game unfortunately, and Lauren was not watching the game.

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<v Speaker 1>But we were talking and chatting and we've been there

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<v Speaker 1>for a little bit and right as our food arrived

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<v Speaker 1>and this woman walks up. Now there's no reason really

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<v Speaker 1>for me to be cranky, but I was tired, sunburn,

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<v Speaker 1>probably a little dehydrated, been a long week, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just sitting there about to watch the Cowboy game. This

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<v Speaker 1>woman who had been sitting next to me came up

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<v Speaker 1>to me and at very first that that moment I

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<v Speaker 1>was I was thinking about being a little cranky, and

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<v Speaker 1>the first sentence she says to me is, Chris, I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to come up to you, but my mom

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<v Speaker 1>listened to your podcast and she said, you love when

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<v Speaker 1>people come up and say hello, and it immediately just

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<v Speaker 1>and put me in my place, put me in a

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<v Speaker 1>better mood. And we had an amazing conversation. I'm really

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<v Speaker 1>glad she came up, and I'm glad all of you

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<v Speaker 1>came up to us this week. Lauren and I had

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<v Speaker 1>a blast with everybody. Each week, Elz and I are

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about the headlines, the stories that make

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<v Speaker 1>us talk, the things we're discussing in our own lives, well,

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<v Speaker 1>the headlines about relationships especially, and I love the name

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<v Speaker 1>that you came up with the most dramatic headlines of

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<v Speaker 1>the week with el Hi. Everybody, well, oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>The first one I wanted to talk about Nikki Bella.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you all have seen this, but

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<v Speaker 1>Nicky Bella star of w W E Married, got married

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<v Speaker 1>in August to Artem of Dancing with the Stars UM.

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<v Speaker 1>I used to interview both of them a lot, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're both so wonderful. But they get married and now

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<v Speaker 1>their wedding is airing in her special about her wedding

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<v Speaker 1>on E and it comes out that Nikki, we're a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of wedding dresses and that one of them was

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<v Speaker 1>from when she was engaged to actor John Cena. So

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<v Speaker 1>everybody was talking is talking about this because can you

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<v Speaker 1>wear a wedding dress from another marriage relationship when you're

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<v Speaker 1>marrying someone else, And I completely I think you can.

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<v Speaker 1>I support Nikki on this, but I was surprised how

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<v Speaker 1>fired up people were, and that makes me want to

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<v Speaker 1>ask you, what if I said to you, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>dig out the old one, We're going to recycle, reuse,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know I'm going to throw it back on.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm gonna say, first of all, I'm in

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<v Speaker 1>Nicky Bella's camp on this. And by the way, Artom

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<v Speaker 1>didn't care. He also came out and like, this isn't

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<v Speaker 1>an issue. But I think the difference for us would

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<v Speaker 1>be you actually wore your wedding dress at your wedding

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<v Speaker 1>excellent point, as opposed to Nikki who just had this

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<v Speaker 1>dress that spoke to her that she loves so much

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<v Speaker 1>and she never got to wear it and she wants

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<v Speaker 1>to wear it for this special occasion. Um, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if I would have, if I would or will

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<v Speaker 1>care that much if you actually wanted to wear your

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<v Speaker 1>dress again, if you love it that much and it

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<v Speaker 1>makes you feel beautiful. But I I think if you've

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<v Speaker 1>never worn it. So in as far as Nikki goes,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand why people are fired up either this. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna save ten fifty grand, however much these things

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<v Speaker 1>cost these days. Why not. I think it's a really

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<v Speaker 1>good headline because it says Nicky Bella wore her wedding

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<v Speaker 1>dress from John Cena and her wedding to artem But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>when you dig a little deeper, so she had bought

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<v Speaker 1>the dress, she'd never worn it, which is the key.

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<v Speaker 1>Um gosh, I don't even know where my first wedding dresses.

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<v Speaker 1>That don't most people like. They vacuum seal it, put

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<v Speaker 1>it in a bag and then you just never touch

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<v Speaker 1>it again. I'm not going to save it when we

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<v Speaker 1>get married. I mean, I love you, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>I donate it. I think there's something beautiful. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my gosh. Sometimes you see women who are wearing

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<v Speaker 1>like their grandmother's wedding dress from the fifties, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>totally gorgeous. But I don't think i'll I don't feel

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<v Speaker 1>that attached to the stuff. To me, it's just I

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<v Speaker 1>would just get rid of it. I wouldn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with storing it. Well, I don't know what you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to do. We actually haven't discussed this, but um,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, at Wells and Sarah's wedding, she had I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, three, four or five dresses Nikki Bella talked

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<v Speaker 1>about having. This was one of several dresses that Nikki

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<v Speaker 1>wore as well. So is the dress even that big

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<v Speaker 1>of a thing anymore? I know this is probably a

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<v Speaker 1>celebrity deal where you wear multiple dresses. Oh interesting, as

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<v Speaker 1>opposed to that one wedding dress. So really a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of brides don't have just one dress anyway anymore. True, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you're still the one you walk down the island, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the one, right. But I think you made such a

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<v Speaker 1>good point about you just said she felt beautiful in

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that hits the nail on the head

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<v Speaker 1>for me because at first you look at it and think, well,

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<v Speaker 1>this dress is attached to this past relationship but the

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<v Speaker 1>dress is really about the woman. I think it's about

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<v Speaker 1>you wanting to feel beautiful for the person that you love.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's about you feeling beautiful and so to me,

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<v Speaker 1>that moment people talk about the moment she said she

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<v Speaker 1>had cried in this stress. That's when you look in

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<v Speaker 1>the mirror and think, Okay, I feel like a bride.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel that this is the moment I want to

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<v Speaker 1>have on my wedding day that I've thought about. So

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<v Speaker 1>if she felt that in that moment about this dress,

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<v Speaker 1>I had to say it. But I think it's more

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<v Speaker 1>about you than it is about the guy, because again,

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<v Speaker 1>it's about you being the right person, but it's about

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<v Speaker 1>how you, how you've pictured looking for when you find

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<v Speaker 1>that right person. Can I tell everybody why this story

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<v Speaker 1>was personal to us, why it kind of hit home? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so um LZ. When we first moved in together, she

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<v Speaker 1>brought an ice bucket, this beautiful crystal ice bucket, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was monogrammed. You actually were excited about it? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I was excited because it said L and Cee l C.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, wow, this is great Lauren and Chris Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I also say I love that you thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was great, because you could have thought that was so

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<v Speaker 1>weird moving in. I've already monogrammed you thought this is

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<v Speaker 1>so sweet. But it turns out Lauren's ex husband his

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<v Speaker 1>first name began with the letter C as well. So

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<v Speaker 1>just turns out those initials worked perfectly for both of us.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the ice bucket was from my first marriage. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the ice bucket was from her first marriage. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a wedding gift to Lauren and her ex. But hey,

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<v Speaker 1>it can quickly transition into Lauren and Chris. So she

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<v Speaker 1>told me about this. I had no problem. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a beautiful ice bucket. It has our initials on it.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe in being environmentally friendly, and I did not

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<v Speaker 1>see the point and throwing that ice buck it away.

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<v Speaker 1>It speaks to your confidence in you in our relationship,

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<v Speaker 1>and I loved that it didn't bother Artem like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>Artem said, Artem said, I want you to be happy.

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<v Speaker 1>It shouldn't be a big deal if you're secure in

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<v Speaker 1>your relationship and where you're at. Um. I had a

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<v Speaker 1>friend of mine who told me that when she moved

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<v Speaker 1>in with her boyfriend, she made him get rid of

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<v Speaker 1>all the clothing that he'd worn with his ex. He

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<v Speaker 1>had to buy all new furniture, he had to redo

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<v Speaker 1>their house. She said, I think things are memories and

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<v Speaker 1>I am not moving into that environment. And she and

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<v Speaker 1>I talked about it for a while because it sounded

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<v Speaker 1>really extreme to me, as say, sounded expensive. What would

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<v Speaker 1>your reaction be if a woman had said that? Honestly

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of a red flag for me. Yeah, because

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<v Speaker 1>he goes back to what you're talking about, the confidence.

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<v Speaker 1>If I am with you and I love you, do

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<v Speaker 1>I need a new flannel shirt to prove it? You know? Look,

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<v Speaker 1>I get if you're walking around and it's odd that

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<v Speaker 1>you have so many pictures or keepsakes that remind you

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<v Speaker 1>of that other person. There are levels to this, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think to just hey, I need you to get

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<v Speaker 1>a new couch, knew everything we gotta paint. That's extreme.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a lot. To me, that's a lot. Okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>now we have to confess one other thing about when

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<v Speaker 1>we first started dating. Crap. What I had forgotten until

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<v Speaker 1>this very moment that when we first started dating, I

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<v Speaker 1>had a house, and I had one of those. It

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<v Speaker 1>was an older house, so it had like a front

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<v Speaker 1>sitting room that I never went in and you came

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<v Speaker 1>to pick me up and I wasn't ready yet. Shocker.

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<v Speaker 1>So I said, go just go chill, I'll be ready

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<v Speaker 1>in a minute. And you went in that room and

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<v Speaker 1>I come in to find you, and you go, huh,

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<v Speaker 1>you've still got your wedding photos framed in here. All

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<v Speaker 1>your setting pictures were still up. But speaks to your confidence.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't a big deal. No, I mean, I knew

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<v Speaker 1>you'd been married. I mean, look, I mean I am

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<v Speaker 1>definitely not going to be throwing stones in this glass house. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean married for quite some time. I have children.

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<v Speaker 1>So everybody brings baggage to a relationship. That's what makes

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<v Speaker 1>us who we are, and it's it's it's what got

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<v Speaker 1>us from here to there. And it's what I love

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<v Speaker 1>about you because you've grown from that. I've grown from

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<v Speaker 1>my relationships. So you can't have it both ways. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>and when my friends said get rid of everything, I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>now you're taking it to the point of your potentially

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<v Speaker 1>hurting the person you care about, right if you're telling

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<v Speaker 1>them get rid of your past, get rid of erase

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<v Speaker 1>your memories. I would never ask someone to erase their memories.

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<v Speaker 1>For me, that's part of what made them the person

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<v Speaker 1>they are. I don't think you can regret where you've been.

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<v Speaker 1>If you love where you are, you can't change your past.

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<v Speaker 1>If you like the person you are today, all those

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<v Speaker 1>things got us here. So I would never say get

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<v Speaker 1>rid of all this stuff whatever. Um, but I do

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<v Speaker 1>understand that some things you gotta You've got to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about it, right? Are some things a little too painful?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it? Hey? I don't know if I want you

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<v Speaker 1>to wear your wedding dress from the first person at

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<v Speaker 1>this marriage now, maybe everybody wouldn't have been okay with it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I actually think if Artem had said I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want you to do this, I think Nikki would have said, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>no big deal. So let me ask you this, Elsie.

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<v Speaker 1>M hm. Is there a deal breaker? Is there one

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<v Speaker 1>thing you should not carry over from a prior relationship?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you think of anything? My first answer is trust issues? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>I love that That made you laugh. I'm being serious, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I was talking to another friend the other day. She's

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<v Speaker 1>going through a major marital issue. She has found out

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<v Speaker 1>her husband is having an affair, and she said to me,

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<v Speaker 1>how whether they stay together or not? She said, how

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<v Speaker 1>can I trust again and the analogy that I gave

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<v Speaker 1>her God. I mean that's tough, right because I've always

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<v Speaker 1>heard that phrase, once the mirror is broken, you can

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<v Speaker 1>put it back together, but you still see the cracks.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think you have to you have to trust again.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to give whether this person, whether her husband,

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<v Speaker 1>is deemed worthy of her trust again or not. First

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<v Speaker 1>of all, to me, it's all about effort. Are you

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<v Speaker 1>showing are you actively showing that you can change, that

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<v Speaker 1>you're sorry, that you're going to be better. But I said,

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<v Speaker 1>if you've got in a car accident, would you ever

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<v Speaker 1>drive again? Would you get behind the wheel? And I

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<v Speaker 1>think the answer is yes. And I especially think if

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<v Speaker 1>you're going if we're just talking about going into a

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<v Speaker 1>new relationship, you have to give that person your full

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<v Speaker 1>trust until they give you a reason not to. You

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<v Speaker 1>have to trust them and not carry over that past

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<v Speaker 1>issue because otherwise you're setting yourself up for failure. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's a move on, but don't forget mm hmm,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, be vigilant, be smart. It's all about that communication.

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<v Speaker 1>But I agree it's you know, it's the old theory

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<v Speaker 1>if you fall off a horse, get a bike, because

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<v Speaker 1>you're not good at riding a horse. Now that's not

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<v Speaker 1>the saying. Um, we should do a new segment called

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<v Speaker 1>dad Jokes of the Week, the most dramatic. What would

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<v Speaker 1>you not carry over from a previous relationship? You know

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<v Speaker 1>it is something we just mentioned. Pictures would be weird

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<v Speaker 1>to me if you're like, I love this wedding picture

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<v Speaker 1>or I love this picture. We talked about women looking beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>I look amazing in this wedding photo. Look, if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to cut out your ex husband, I'd be fine,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think it'd be weird if if if someone

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<v Speaker 1>who you love and started dating seriously had pictures and things,

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<v Speaker 1>mementos and things from their ex, well, I would Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll add a caveat. But if you have kids, I

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<v Speaker 1>think I remember we were in the Great Lockdown. I

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<v Speaker 1>was going nuts, and I was cleaning out your entire

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<v Speaker 1>house because they had nothing else to do. And I

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<v Speaker 1>love to organize. Oh my gosh, I love organizing, and

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<v Speaker 1>I learned even more about you doing that. I I

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<v Speaker 1>learned that Chris Harrison, literally, at face value, is an

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<v Speaker 1>incredibly organized, neat, clean person. But if you open a

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<v Speaker 1>cabinet door, things come falling out. I mean I opened

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<v Speaker 1>one cabinet in your house and you just had empty

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<v Speaker 1>cardboard boxes in there, Like, what are we doing? You

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<v Speaker 1>never know when you need a box. Well, that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>You never know. You're not an adult until you've saved

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<v Speaker 1>boxes and chords. But one, you know, you had photos

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<v Speaker 1>from like your first marriage, from that time, and we

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<v Speaker 1>saved all that. I saved all that because I think

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<v Speaker 1>the kids are gonna want to see it, and that matters.

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<v Speaker 1>I still have them. And you know, again, as I

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<v Speaker 1>you just pointed out, I had kids and watch these

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<v Speaker 1>children grow up for seventeen years before we got divorced.

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<v Speaker 1>So yes, a lot of those memories and things happened together,

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<v Speaker 1>and I will keep those, like you said, to pass

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<v Speaker 1>them on, but I definitely don't have them on display.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not gonna walk around our house here and awesome. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but even you you mean you had been freshly divorced,

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<v Speaker 1>it was. It's something that I think I would understand

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<v Speaker 1>if you had a problem with that, where you're like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>can you write pictures are emotional emotional and they bring

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<v Speaker 1>up emotion right away, and they bring up emotion for

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<v Speaker 1>everybody else who walks in your house say, we have

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<v Speaker 1>a party and people are walking around like is that

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<v Speaker 1>Chris with his ex wife? Right? Of course, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>something that's on display, like you said. And we'll going

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<v Speaker 1>back to my friend who told the guy she was

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<v Speaker 1>moving in with to get rid of everything. Something she

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<v Speaker 1>said did stick with me and really made me even

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<v Speaker 1>think about myself. I think I came home and probably

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, did that thing where I start a

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<v Speaker 1>fight with you because I'm having a thought of an

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<v Speaker 1>emotion and I'm not expressing it well. But she said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, things are memories. Items are memories, and I

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<v Speaker 1>do think there's some truth to that. And actually one

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<v Speaker 1>thing you and I had talked about, which is an

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<v Speaker 1>important sort of next part of a relationship is building

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<v Speaker 1>a home together. The importance of that. We love our

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<v Speaker 1>house in Austin so much because we picked out everything together.

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<v Speaker 1>We chose everything from the wallpaper to the chairs to

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<v Speaker 1>all of it, and so this feels like our place.

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<v Speaker 1>And there is an importance of stuff both and letting

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<v Speaker 1>it go and getting those new building that new world together,

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<v Speaker 1>even if it's that physical item world. Should I throw

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<v Speaker 1>away the ice bucket, I'll throw away the ice bucket.

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<v Speaker 1>We still have it. I thought it broke. No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't. It's you. That's a great it's a great

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<v Speaker 1>ice bucket, really thick crystal, like someone spent a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of money on it. You know. Let's move on. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's time for the next headline. Okay. For Dallas

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<v Speaker 1>Cowboy fans, we wish we could erased the last several weeks. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>This is an interesting story and it's not about sports,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is about Dallas cow Boys quarterback Deck Prescott,

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<v Speaker 1>who was hugely popular. He's popular for the franchise. He

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<v Speaker 1>handles himself incredibly well as the captain of this ship,

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<v Speaker 1>and is that leader in the locker room, leader in

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<v Speaker 1>the press room, always does and says the right thing. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Dak arguably had one of the worst seasons of his career.

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<v Speaker 1>Got bounced from the playoffs a couple of weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 1>lost to the San Francisco forty nine. I'm from Dallas.

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<v Speaker 1>My heart is in this. I'm a huge Dallas Cowboy fan.

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<v Speaker 1>A few days later, I see the headline Dak breaks

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<v Speaker 1>up with his girlfriend, and I'm thinking, God, what a

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<v Speaker 1>crappy week this guy has had. He played terrible, his

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<v Speaker 1>team lost, He's getting hammered, I mean hammered in the press,

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<v Speaker 1>even a little bit of shade thrown by his own

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<v Speaker 1>franchise for the first time. And then I see he

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<v Speaker 1>breaks up with his girlfriend. Really a terrible week he's

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<v Speaker 1>he's having. But then the next day this headline hits. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, I am interested in sports. I

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<v Speaker 1>actually turned to you and said, did you see the

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<v Speaker 1>sideline about Dak Prescott. I mean, I don't know any athletes,

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<v Speaker 1>but I do love you and your Cowboys fans, so

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know who that was. One day after the

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<v Speaker 1>news breaks that he and his longtime girlfriend of a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years split, news comes out that he is

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<v Speaker 1>dating someone new. Twenty four hours later, and he is dating.

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<v Speaker 1>At twenty nine years old, Dak Prescott is dating an

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<v Speaker 1>l s U Jr. A twenty year old swimmer at

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<v Speaker 1>L s U. Dak years old just signed a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and sixty million dollar contract I believe somewhere around those

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<v Speaker 1>numbers is now dating a twenty year old junior in college. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the reason you and I were talking about this so

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<v Speaker 1>much is the age difference thing. Do you get asked

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<v Speaker 1>about this a lot? I mean, you're I'm not great

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<v Speaker 1>at malf I think you're seventeen years older than Meldre.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait how old are you? But yes, all age difference,

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<v Speaker 1>and so immediately our thought has always been age is

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<v Speaker 1>not a big deal. It's not a big difference. But

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<v Speaker 1>is it hypocritical for me to say there is a

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<v Speaker 1>point in time in life when it does matter. You

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<v Speaker 1>and I always talk about the difference of life places,

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<v Speaker 1>and I also think the age difference thing is very

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<v Speaker 1>person a person. Now, I don't know. Maybe this um

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<v Speaker 1>young woman is incredibly mature for her age. And by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, maybe Dak Prescott is incredibly immature for his age,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's not. I've seen him in the public eye.

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<v Speaker 1>He is a very mature man. Oh you are such

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<v Speaker 1>a cowboys. I am no, I've just I mean, I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen him talk, in the way he handles himself, the

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<v Speaker 1>way the team looks at him. He wasn't born yesterday. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the reason this stuck out to us is because to me,

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<v Speaker 1>and again I don't know either of them, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's potentially a big problem when you're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>someone who's in their professional life dating someone who's still

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<v Speaker 1>in their college life. Now, I did want to ask

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<v Speaker 1>you if she's an l s U swimmer. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know our college sports on the same level of professional sports.

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<v Speaker 1>This is totally different. And I'll tell you what he's

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<v Speaker 1>because he's the quarterback for the Alice Cowboys. Yes, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most storied, richest franchises in the history of sports.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a big deal. And to be the quarterback for

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<v Speaker 1>the Dallas Cowboys, it's like being, you know, shortstop for

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<v Speaker 1>the Yankees. It's a big deal. You are front and center.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that comparison helps me, but you

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<v Speaker 1>so what struck me and struck a chord with me?

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<v Speaker 1>And again I'm dealing with is this hypocritical? I have

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<v Speaker 1>a nineteen year old daughter. This woman that Dac is

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<v Speaker 1>dating is barely a year older than my daughter, who's

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<v Speaker 1>also in college at TCU, And I immediately thought, what

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<v Speaker 1>if Taylor was dating a twenty nine year old man,

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<v Speaker 1>especially such a prominent man. I that made my heart

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<v Speaker 1>skip a beat. I'm not gonna lie now. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>going with my gut emotion of how I felt about this.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not trying to throw judgment on this because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know these people that well. I'm not friends

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<v Speaker 1>with Dak. I don't know this swimmer, But I just

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<v Speaker 1>thought from my own perspective, that would scare the hell

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<v Speaker 1>out of me as a dad. If my daughter said, hey, Daddy,

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<v Speaker 1>I met this wonderful man. First of all, man, she's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's twenty nine years old, he's a stockbroker, he's or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>That that would give me pause. Well, again, it's such

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<v Speaker 1>a life place difference. And I don't think I realized

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<v Speaker 1>this when I was in my twenties, are in college.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you look back, I remember my mom telling you,

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<v Speaker 1>telling me there's so much change that happens in your twenties.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you go through so many major life phases

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<v Speaker 1>between being in college, then just graduating and adjusting, then

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<v Speaker 1>your mid twenties when you're really hitting your stride in

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<v Speaker 1>your career. Then you're late twenties when you're thinking should

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<v Speaker 1>I settle down? Now? You go through like four phases

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<v Speaker 1>of life in those ten years. And would you say,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you're again, I think you're older than me.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you say, looking back that your twenties are a

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<v Speaker 1>pivotal time of change versus your thirties, forties, fifties, How

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<v Speaker 1>would you compare them well? And yes, those you don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what you don't know, like, for example, my son's

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one, he's a junior, my daughter's nineteen, she's a freshman.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't know what you don't know, but at the

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<v Speaker 1>time you think you do right. And this is where

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<v Speaker 1>it gets interesting of protecting your children and thinking of

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<v Speaker 1>this dynamic of twenty nine and and this woman who

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<v Speaker 1>was a teenager a year ago and their dating is.

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<v Speaker 1>She may feel like she has control of this situation,

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<v Speaker 1>may feel like she's fine, but does she know you know,

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<v Speaker 1>she just doesn't have those that life experience. And to

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<v Speaker 1>going back to your question, Yes, in your teens, your

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<v Speaker 1>late teens into your early twenties, you are growing and

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<v Speaker 1>learning so much and you are just getting these life experiences.

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<v Speaker 1>It's why we all date and break up and you

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<v Speaker 1>have heartbreak and someone cheats on you, and it's where

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<v Speaker 1>all a lot of those silly antics happen is in

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<v Speaker 1>those early formative years. And to jump right into something

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<v Speaker 1>that is so extreme on many levels, not just the age,

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<v Speaker 1>but to somebody who is so famous and world renowned,

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<v Speaker 1>it makes it even that much more interesting. And you

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<v Speaker 1>bring up the dad thing, and my child, Dak, actually

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<v Speaker 1>met this woman through the dad. The dad does something

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<v Speaker 1>in insurance or something he deals with the Dallas Cowboys,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's how they met. Oh, there's a lot to

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<v Speaker 1>unpack there. Yeah, there was like a post, an Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>post on the dad a while back about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of joking about he and Dak being best friends.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that is clearly how Dak met his daughter

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<v Speaker 1>and they have started dating. Now she's still in school,

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<v Speaker 1>so this isn't a day to day thing, so who

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<v Speaker 1>knows what it is. But I just found it very interesting. Obviously,

0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:48.600
<v Speaker 1>it hit a chord with me, and I know most

0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:50.479
<v Speaker 1>of you out there are parents as well, and just

0:23:51.280 --> 0:23:54.840
<v Speaker 1>thought we would have strong feelings about this. Well, I

0:23:54.880 --> 0:23:57.800
<v Speaker 1>look at our our age difference is bigger, right, But

0:23:57.920 --> 0:23:59.680
<v Speaker 1>you and I have talked about how if we'd met

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<v Speaker 1>at a different time, maybe we wouldn't be together. Timing

0:24:03.240 --> 0:24:07.119
<v Speaker 1>is important. If I was in my early twenties, I

0:24:07.119 --> 0:24:10.920
<v Speaker 1>would have been in a totally different life place and

0:24:11.200 --> 0:24:13.320
<v Speaker 1>would it have worked out. I don't know. I mean

0:24:13.359 --> 0:24:15.360
<v Speaker 1>we started dating when I was in my early thirties,

0:24:15.520 --> 0:24:18.240
<v Speaker 1>which is I'm well into my career. You know, we

0:24:18.320 --> 0:24:21.000
<v Speaker 1>both were established in our careers and that was different.

0:24:21.400 --> 0:24:26.080
<v Speaker 1>And I think that timing matters and life place matters

0:24:26.200 --> 0:24:29.880
<v Speaker 1>way more than the number of age. Life place matters. Yeah,

0:24:30.280 --> 0:24:33.080
<v Speaker 1>and by the way, I mean we're we lived in

0:24:33.200 --> 0:24:36.560
<v Speaker 1>l A for decades. There's very immature fifty year olds

0:24:36.560 --> 0:24:39.200
<v Speaker 1>in l A. There are some fifty some things I

0:24:39.240 --> 0:24:41.680
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't date in l A. Well, I find it interesting too.

0:24:42.600 --> 0:24:46.399
<v Speaker 1>Upon my divorce, I started dating, and I dated a

0:24:46.440 --> 0:24:50.520
<v Speaker 1>wide range of ages from older than me, too younger

0:24:50.520 --> 0:24:53.760
<v Speaker 1>than me, And I found you get to a certain

0:24:53.760 --> 0:24:55.959
<v Speaker 1>point again, this has to do with life place and experience.

0:24:56.000 --> 0:24:58.800
<v Speaker 1>What do you share, what do you have in common?

0:24:58.880 --> 0:25:02.680
<v Speaker 1>What conversations are you having on a very deep level?

0:25:02.720 --> 0:25:04.520
<v Speaker 1>With you and I we found that we had a

0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:07.680
<v Speaker 1>lot of commonality. We hit a lot of those buttons

0:25:07.720 --> 0:25:10.160
<v Speaker 1>together and checked off a lot of those boxes, which

0:25:10.200 --> 0:25:12.520
<v Speaker 1>is partly why we fell in love. As we've realized

0:25:12.560 --> 0:25:15.840
<v Speaker 1>we were in the same life place and UM could

0:25:15.920 --> 0:25:20.119
<v Speaker 1>go forward. But if you are dating someone that just

0:25:20.160 --> 0:25:23.760
<v Speaker 1>got out of their teenage years and is partying in college,

0:25:23.800 --> 0:25:26.360
<v Speaker 1>it's like, I don't know. I mean, I have conversations

0:25:26.400 --> 0:25:29.840
<v Speaker 1>with with my daughter and her roommates and her sorority sisters.

0:25:30.440 --> 0:25:33.080
<v Speaker 1>These aren't conversations I want to take much further than

0:25:33.480 --> 0:25:36.000
<v Speaker 1>just finding out how they're doing and hearing the stories.

0:25:36.080 --> 0:25:40.359
<v Speaker 1>So here's the question. If if Taylor came to you

0:25:40.359 --> 0:25:44.359
<v Speaker 1>tomorrow and said, God, I'm sweating now. I am dating

0:25:44.400 --> 0:25:49.879
<v Speaker 1>this guy. He's almost thirty, he's a we'll use your phrase,

0:25:49.880 --> 0:25:51.840
<v Speaker 1>he's a stockbroker, something like that, what do you say

0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:54.080
<v Speaker 1>to her? What do you say? I would have to

0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:57.000
<v Speaker 1>have a very long conversation, and I would want to

0:25:57.040 --> 0:25:59.760
<v Speaker 1>meet this man. A lot of it would have to

0:25:59.800 --> 0:26:02.720
<v Speaker 1>do with who this man is, what are his intentions?

0:26:03.080 --> 0:26:04.920
<v Speaker 1>And again they're just dating and just starting. So I

0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:07.600
<v Speaker 1>don't mean, what are your intentions of marrying my daughter?

0:26:07.680 --> 0:26:11.399
<v Speaker 1>But who are you? And what is it about my

0:26:11.480 --> 0:26:16.480
<v Speaker 1>daughter you find interesting at the age of twenty, you know, like,

0:26:16.880 --> 0:26:20.040
<v Speaker 1>what what is she offering that you find so fascinating

0:26:20.160 --> 0:26:23.199
<v Speaker 1>and where's the depth and the meaning behind this relationship?

0:26:23.400 --> 0:26:26.200
<v Speaker 1>So I would I would want to have that discussion

0:26:26.240 --> 0:26:28.399
<v Speaker 1>with her. What does she seeing him, what is she

0:26:28.440 --> 0:26:30.480
<v Speaker 1>getting from this? And who is he? And what's he

0:26:30.520 --> 0:26:33.960
<v Speaker 1>yell about? And that might be way overstepping my bounds.

0:26:35.040 --> 0:26:37.320
<v Speaker 1>As I say that, I realize it is that early

0:26:37.359 --> 0:26:42.480
<v Speaker 1>in a relationship, but it is to me a little extreme. Well,

0:26:44.200 --> 0:26:47.160
<v Speaker 1>we wish dak all the best. I wish I wish

0:26:47.200 --> 0:26:52.680
<v Speaker 1>the Dallas Cowboys the best. Okay, deep down and yeah,

0:26:52.720 --> 0:26:55.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean look, it's the judgment part is is difficult

0:26:55.760 --> 0:26:57.600
<v Speaker 1>in all this. But I just you and I found

0:26:57.600 --> 0:27:01.120
<v Speaker 1>it very interesting. And that was one of the most

0:27:01.200 --> 0:27:04.960
<v Speaker 1>dramatic headlines of the week. The next dramatic headline brings

0:27:04.960 --> 0:27:09.720
<v Speaker 1>me to our guest today. Bonnie Bartlett, year old actress,

0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:14.159
<v Speaker 1>just released a memoir Middle of the Rainbow, where she

0:27:14.320 --> 0:27:18.720
<v Speaker 1>made it known that her marriage to Bill Daniels, famous

0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:21.960
<v Speaker 1>actor in his own right was an open marriage for

0:27:22.000 --> 0:27:25.600
<v Speaker 1>many years. They have made it work. They've been married

0:27:25.640 --> 0:27:28.800
<v Speaker 1>for seventy two years. I have a lot of questions.

0:27:29.119 --> 0:27:32.760
<v Speaker 1>We're going to get answers from Bonnie Bartlett when we

0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:48.040
<v Speaker 1>come back. Welcome back to the most dramatic podcast ever.

0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:52.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm Chris Harrison. Time to bring on my guest today.

0:27:53.400 --> 0:27:57.240
<v Speaker 1>Bonnie Bartlett, year old actor, just released a memoir Middle

0:27:57.359 --> 0:28:00.240
<v Speaker 1>of the Rainbow. You may know here from so Hopes

0:28:00.280 --> 0:28:03.040
<v Speaker 1>Little House in the Prairie, saying elsewhere, most recently in

0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:08.119
<v Speaker 1>Golden Girls better called sal An amazing career, Emmy Award

0:28:08.200 --> 0:28:12.199
<v Speaker 1>winner married to Bill Daniels, who you guys might remember

0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:15.399
<v Speaker 1>as Mr Feenie on Boy Meets World. That's right, Mr

0:28:15.560 --> 0:28:19.719
<v Speaker 1>Feenie married to Bonnie Barlett for seventy two years. In

0:28:19.880 --> 0:28:24.159
<v Speaker 1>her memoir, she goes into her amazing career in Hollywood.

0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:26.120
<v Speaker 1>But one of the things I wanted to touch on,

0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:29.640
<v Speaker 1>and one of the things that struck me is her relationship,

0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:35.680
<v Speaker 1>her marriage and how in the early fifties they were married,

0:28:36.960 --> 0:28:41.120
<v Speaker 1>their marriage was open. What does that mean? How did

0:28:41.200 --> 0:28:44.760
<v Speaker 1>they stop that which they did, how did they claw

0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:47.720
<v Speaker 1>it back? And how do they still have that trust?

0:28:47.720 --> 0:28:51.960
<v Speaker 1>How do they keep going for this many decades? Bonnie,

0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:53.440
<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for your time. How are you

0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:58.800
<v Speaker 1>doing today. I'm fine, I'm a good shape. Congratulations on

0:28:58.840 --> 0:29:02.120
<v Speaker 1>the book Middle of the Rainbow, and thank you for

0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:07.480
<v Speaker 1>giving us such an intimate glimpse into your amazing life

0:29:07.480 --> 0:29:11.880
<v Speaker 1>in Hollywood. Um, this show in particular is about relationships

0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:15.760
<v Speaker 1>and about love, and this look inside your marriage over

0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:18.880
<v Speaker 1>the last seventy two years is just fascinating. So thank you.

0:29:20.280 --> 0:29:23.920
<v Speaker 1>You're welcome. I'm glad. I'm glad. I mentioned earlier. You're

0:29:23.920 --> 0:29:29.680
<v Speaker 1>married to Bill Daniels. Mr Feeney, please how John app

0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:33.320
<v Speaker 1>One of the great revelations from this book was that

0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:36.600
<v Speaker 1>early on you were eighteen years old when you got

0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:39.320
<v Speaker 1>married and I believe nineteen fifty one, and you guys

0:29:39.400 --> 0:29:44.160
<v Speaker 1>had an open relationship. We didn't think of it that. Okay,

0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:46.960
<v Speaker 1>that's what I was going to ask. You paid me

0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:50.720
<v Speaker 1>a picture of your relationship and and if you could

0:29:50.720 --> 0:29:55.000
<v Speaker 1>define it to us, what was it? Well, we kind

0:29:55.000 --> 0:29:58.760
<v Speaker 1>of grew up together. We're very young. Bill and I

0:29:58.800 --> 0:30:05.200
<v Speaker 1>were just great friends, great lovers, great We just loved

0:30:05.360 --> 0:30:08.960
<v Speaker 1>to be with each other all the time. And later

0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:13.440
<v Speaker 1>on when things got a little more difficult and we

0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:15.800
<v Speaker 1>could had to be a part a lot and stuff

0:30:15.840 --> 0:30:19.520
<v Speaker 1>like that. And we were in a culture in New

0:30:19.600 --> 0:30:21.360
<v Speaker 1>York when we went to New York, and a culture

0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:24.479
<v Speaker 1>that was very free and easy. It was before aids

0:30:25.440 --> 0:30:28.360
<v Speaker 1>aids changed that culture. But you mentioned that this is

0:30:28.400 --> 0:30:31.240
<v Speaker 1>the nineteen fifties, and Grant and I was not around

0:30:31.240 --> 0:30:33.920
<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen fifties. But my image is that was

0:30:33.960 --> 0:30:37.400
<v Speaker 1>a really buttoned up conservative time. We think of the

0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:41.120
<v Speaker 1>sixties as being really free and into the seventies, that's right,

0:30:41.160 --> 0:30:45.400
<v Speaker 1>and that's why because the fifties, you were you know,

0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:49.120
<v Speaker 1>you were still the Victorian thing was still creeping in.

0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:54.080
<v Speaker 1>We couldn't have sex and lest we got married, you know.

0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:58.400
<v Speaker 1>And then yes, then the sixties rolled in and it

0:30:58.440 --> 0:31:01.840
<v Speaker 1>was like while than Woolley, and you had to find

0:31:01.920 --> 0:31:04.680
<v Speaker 1>your way through it. And if you did, you you

0:31:04.720 --> 0:31:07.480
<v Speaker 1>were good. And when we were together we were fine.

0:31:07.600 --> 0:31:12.400
<v Speaker 1>It's just when we had to be separated or there

0:31:12.400 --> 0:31:16.280
<v Speaker 1>were times, yes, yes, very much, times when Bill was

0:31:16.440 --> 0:31:20.480
<v Speaker 1>just too difficult for me and I, uh, but he

0:31:20.600 --> 0:31:23.840
<v Speaker 1>was so funny, you know, as I would say, you know,

0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:26.960
<v Speaker 1>I just don't think I should be married to you.

0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:29.320
<v Speaker 1>I just still think it's always out come on you.

0:31:29.320 --> 0:31:33.640
<v Speaker 1>You're crazy about it both, so you wouldn't consider it

0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:39.640
<v Speaker 1>an open marriage. But both of you had affairs early on,

0:31:40.560 --> 0:31:45.160
<v Speaker 1>and and did you know about each other's affairs? Oh, yes, yes,

0:31:45.720 --> 0:31:48.680
<v Speaker 1>mostly mostly yes, of course. I didn't have a lot

0:31:48.760 --> 0:31:52.760
<v Speaker 1>of affairs. Bill had a lot, some dalliances on the road.

0:31:53.200 --> 0:31:57.000
<v Speaker 1>I experienced something that today women go through three and

0:31:57.080 --> 0:32:00.120
<v Speaker 1>four times before they get married. You know. Well, that's

0:32:00.120 --> 0:32:02.720
<v Speaker 1>what it sounds like. It sounds like y'all were very

0:32:02.760 --> 0:32:05.480
<v Speaker 1>good friends. You still had some growing up to do,

0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:08.720
<v Speaker 1>and it seems like you guys did that together exactly.

0:32:08.840 --> 0:32:11.120
<v Speaker 1>That's what we did together. And and and the book

0:32:11.120 --> 0:32:13.920
<v Speaker 1>will Will talks about that. I mean that, that's what

0:32:14.000 --> 0:32:16.360
<v Speaker 1>the book. That's part of what the book is about.

0:32:16.360 --> 0:32:21.680
<v Speaker 1>The book is really about the I've had a ninety

0:32:21.720 --> 0:32:25.880
<v Speaker 1>three years on this earth and the changes that have

0:32:25.960 --> 0:32:29.160
<v Speaker 1>happened during that time. It's a history, it's a it's

0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:32.960
<v Speaker 1>a learning thing, which is the way it was then.

0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:37.840
<v Speaker 1>And and we we took it. We didn't we we

0:32:37.920 --> 0:32:40.880
<v Speaker 1>didn't speak up. We didn't we we couldn't. If we

0:32:40.960 --> 0:32:45.880
<v Speaker 1>did speak up, we got pushed down. So things all

0:32:45.960 --> 0:32:51.800
<v Speaker 1>of women have made made it change. And the all

0:32:51.800 --> 0:32:54.840
<v Speaker 1>the old men can't do everything. That any man in

0:32:54.960 --> 0:32:58.320
<v Speaker 1>power I thought he could do anything, and they did

0:32:59.240 --> 0:33:03.360
<v Speaker 1>and we put up with it. Now that's not so.

0:33:03.360 --> 0:33:05.560
<v Speaker 1>So how did you guys make it work? How did

0:33:05.600 --> 0:33:08.600
<v Speaker 1>you and Bill? Because I know there was one final

0:33:08.800 --> 0:33:11.800
<v Speaker 1>affair that really drew that was later on, that was

0:33:11.920 --> 0:33:15.240
<v Speaker 1>very paid, that was very yes, that was a big

0:33:15.240 --> 0:33:19.400
<v Speaker 1>shot in the seventies. And that's when Bill made the

0:33:19.560 --> 0:33:24.880
<v Speaker 1>choice too let his career go. He knew he had

0:33:24.920 --> 0:33:27.360
<v Speaker 1>to make a living, but I mean he didn't. He

0:33:27.400 --> 0:33:31.080
<v Speaker 1>had been offered three shows in New York after seventeen

0:33:31.160 --> 0:33:36.080
<v Speaker 1>seventies Chicago, Bob fosse uh, And he said, no, I

0:33:36.120 --> 0:33:39.200
<v Speaker 1>want to go to California and I want I'll work

0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:41.840
<v Speaker 1>in film or whatever there is, but I want to

0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:45.800
<v Speaker 1>be have a house and I want to have uh

0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:49.080
<v Speaker 1>the kids there, and I want I want to just

0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:52.240
<v Speaker 1>do whatever. He didn't want to do television. He thought

0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:56.280
<v Speaker 1>he would be doing enough film. Turned out that television

0:33:56.960 --> 0:33:59.280
<v Speaker 1>was the best thing that ever happened to Bill. He

0:33:59.440 --> 0:34:02.440
<v Speaker 1>loved it, loved it. I'm just curious how you found

0:34:02.480 --> 0:34:05.680
<v Speaker 1>the trust again. Well, it took time. But you know,

0:34:06.760 --> 0:34:09.880
<v Speaker 1>he's a great father. He's a great he's very domestic.

0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:14.719
<v Speaker 1>He we we had suddenly we had weekends where we

0:34:14.760 --> 0:34:18.239
<v Speaker 1>could do things with the kids. Always in New York.

0:34:18.600 --> 0:34:23.480
<v Speaker 1>Every Christmas, everything, he had two shows. Other people were celebrating,

0:34:23.520 --> 0:34:27.920
<v Speaker 1>and Bill always had two shows to do. And you know,

0:34:28.760 --> 0:34:30.880
<v Speaker 1>it was okay, It's what he aimed for. But when

0:34:30.920 --> 0:34:34.600
<v Speaker 1>the kids came along, it wasn't good. It wasn't good anymore.

0:34:34.840 --> 0:34:37.279
<v Speaker 1>When did you share this story with your with your

0:34:37.320 --> 0:34:39.279
<v Speaker 1>kids or your friends? Did everybody find out when this

0:34:39.320 --> 0:34:42.520
<v Speaker 1>book came out? My children haven't read the book. Interesting

0:34:43.520 --> 0:34:47.560
<v Speaker 1>they're not interested. We were there, mother and father very

0:34:47.600 --> 0:34:51.840
<v Speaker 1>glad to be with us. We were very They saved

0:34:51.840 --> 0:34:55.799
<v Speaker 1>our lives, they saved our marriage. The boys because they

0:34:55.800 --> 0:34:58.400
<v Speaker 1>were so great. I was just curious if there was

0:34:58.440 --> 0:34:59.800
<v Speaker 1>ever a time when you would sit them down and

0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:03.680
<v Speaker 1>talk about as their adults. And No, I'm not a

0:35:03.680 --> 0:35:07.280
<v Speaker 1>person who says, now, let's let's talk about this. I'm not.

0:35:07.800 --> 0:35:10.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm just not that kind of person. Yeah, you guys

0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:15.360
<v Speaker 1>just kept plowing through, living your lives right, doing what

0:35:15.600 --> 0:35:19.799
<v Speaker 1>is what is what is. And I, for me, California

0:35:19.880 --> 0:35:22.600
<v Speaker 1>meant I got to work a lot, So I went

0:35:22.600 --> 0:35:27.000
<v Speaker 1>back to work. I had stopped working with when the

0:35:27.040 --> 0:35:29.640
<v Speaker 1>boys were a little I stopped because it was too hard.

0:35:30.360 --> 0:35:35.160
<v Speaker 1>But you know, commercials, a few little things. But when

0:35:35.200 --> 0:35:40.399
<v Speaker 1>I when we got to California and I had Bill

0:35:41.880 --> 0:35:44.919
<v Speaker 1>doing all kinds of things with boys, and he could

0:35:44.960 --> 0:35:46.839
<v Speaker 1>take them to school, and he could pick them up,

0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:48.440
<v Speaker 1>and he could do all of that stuff. I mean,

0:35:48.680 --> 0:35:51.680
<v Speaker 1>he was in heaven. And and because he was so happy,

0:35:52.600 --> 0:35:55.360
<v Speaker 1>I was happy and able to do to do the

0:35:55.400 --> 0:35:58.200
<v Speaker 1>things I wanted to do. You guys have been together

0:35:58.400 --> 0:36:03.120
<v Speaker 1>seventy two years, a lifetime together. A lot of the

0:36:03.200 --> 0:36:07.200
<v Speaker 1>listeners are married, we've been divorced. We we've been through

0:36:07.239 --> 0:36:09.919
<v Speaker 1>it all, and we talk a lot about relationships here.

0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:13.880
<v Speaker 1>Is there a takeaway from your seventy two years? Is

0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:17.680
<v Speaker 1>there a lesson that we should know about making it

0:36:17.719 --> 0:36:24.280
<v Speaker 1>work and sticking with it? I think every case is different.

0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:30.880
<v Speaker 1>Each case is different. If if you're living with somebody

0:36:30.960 --> 0:36:34.200
<v Speaker 1>who has a drug problem, if you're living with somebody

0:36:34.200 --> 0:36:39.200
<v Speaker 1>who's an alcoholic, like and they don't change, if the

0:36:39.320 --> 0:36:42.480
<v Speaker 1>person can change, if the problem is such that they

0:36:42.520 --> 0:36:45.680
<v Speaker 1>can change, which is what Bill. Finally, did you know

0:36:46.640 --> 0:36:49.560
<v Speaker 1>if you fall in love with somebody else, that's a problem.

0:36:49.920 --> 0:36:53.680
<v Speaker 1>Fortunately for us, we never got involved, right, You guys

0:36:53.760 --> 0:36:55.879
<v Speaker 1>never fell in love with anybody else. There. There were

0:36:55.880 --> 0:36:58.759
<v Speaker 1>those affairs, but you always came back to each other,

0:36:59.520 --> 0:37:03.040
<v Speaker 1>that's right. As I say, at one point, I thought,

0:37:03.040 --> 0:37:05.080
<v Speaker 1>oh god, I've got to have an easier life. It's

0:37:05.120 --> 0:37:08.920
<v Speaker 1>got to be better than this angry guy. Uh. But

0:37:09.800 --> 0:37:12.400
<v Speaker 1>there's nobody out there like Bill that I met. You

0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:17.919
<v Speaker 1>know that I would it. We're lucky. We're just lucky. Yeah,

0:37:18.000 --> 0:37:22.040
<v Speaker 1>we it worked out. I mean, we can't imagine not

0:37:22.239 --> 0:37:25.080
<v Speaker 1>being together. Let me put that away. We can't imagine

0:37:25.080 --> 0:37:27.719
<v Speaker 1>it and now we're old, we take care of each

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<v Speaker 1>other and it's great. Yeah, it was just you said

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<v Speaker 1>building trust took time. I'm just curious if there was

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<v Speaker 1>something in particular, because it sounds like y'a weren't great communicators.

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<v Speaker 1>How you were able to build that trust back? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we were together all the time. We we we were

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<v Speaker 1>in the same room, the same house. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>very hard to have a marriage where you're not together.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the point, right? There were some amazing anecdotes and

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<v Speaker 1>a memoir as well. You mentioned coming up around the

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<v Speaker 1>same time that Marilyn Monroe did well. Marilyn was a

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<v Speaker 1>big star and she to studied with Lee Strasburg, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was Lee's secretary and friend and so forth, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I kind of helped her out in class, and

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<v Speaker 1>she she always she was. She was a lovely girl.

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<v Speaker 1>We loved her. We all loved her. I saw her

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<v Speaker 1>a lot at the Strasburg's and I guess I saw

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<v Speaker 1>the best part of Marilyn Monroe. I don't know. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>what she created was incredible, and she was an incredible comedian.

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<v Speaker 1>She wanted to do try to do theater, and Lee

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<v Speaker 1>encouraged her and maybe he shouldn't have because I, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>she wanted to learn. She was such a student. She

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to learn, and she wanted to she was interested

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<v Speaker 1>in everything, and she had a very good brain. No education,

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<v Speaker 1>no background, no support, no support at all. Interesting as

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<v Speaker 1>a as a girl growing up terrible, terrible, So that's hard.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got to have some support somewhere. The book is

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<v Speaker 1>Middle of the Rainbow memoir by Bonnie Barlett. If there

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<v Speaker 1>is a takeaway from this book that you hope everyone

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<v Speaker 1>will read, what is that? What is the takeaway? What

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<v Speaker 1>is what is the lesson you hope we take away

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<v Speaker 1>from this? Well, as I say in the book, I

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<v Speaker 1>hope that I have left some footprints in the sand,

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<v Speaker 1>so that it's kind of a history of a life.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah a successful life, a celebration in a way of

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<v Speaker 1>the life and getting through life is all about solving problems.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what this book is about. M beautiful and

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<v Speaker 1>is if you gave after seventy two years, gave us

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<v Speaker 1>one bit of advice for marriage and making it work,

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<v Speaker 1>what is it? You have to create your own guidelines,

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<v Speaker 1>You have to create I love that and I completely agree.

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<v Speaker 1>And speaking speaking of unique Bonny, you were that absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>unique and thanks thanks for sharing so much of your

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<v Speaker 1>life with us in this book. Again, it's the Middle

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<v Speaker 1>of the Rainbow, the memoir by Bonnie Bartlett, her life,

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<v Speaker 1>her times, her love and career. It is spectacular and

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<v Speaker 1>just thank you for being here today and opening up

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<v Speaker 1>with us. Truly appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you to

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<v Speaker 1>my guest, Bonnie Bartlett. Incredible story thinking of the times

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<v Speaker 1>that you grew up in, cut her teeth in this

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<v Speaker 1>business from the fifties, sixties, seventies and on um. Incredible

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge and it's always important, I think, to hear from

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<v Speaker 1>the past so we can learn how to live in

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<v Speaker 1>the present. So Bonnie Bartlett, thank you so much. LZ.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for being a part of this as well today

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