1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. All right, so let's 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: be honest. If you're like me, your guilty pleasure is 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: watching what's going on. 4 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 2: With the Royals. And I don't know why. 5 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, is it because in America we look at 6 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: this and we're like, see that royal family's not so great. 7 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: It's still not working out for you? Or is it 8 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 1: because growing up I grew up in the era where 9 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 1: William was like the super hot guy, and I'm like, 10 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 1: maybe maybe this is my Cinderella story. 11 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 2: Maybe he'll choose me. 12 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: Now, of course, Megan Markle has destroyed that for all 13 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: American women will never be chosen by any prince again 14 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: in our lives. So I don't know. I think it's 15 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: one of those things. But regardless of what it is, 16 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: we're all going, where's Kate Middleton? What happened to her? 17 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 1: And part of me is sort of like, I mean, 18 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: maybe I dodged that bullet with William because maybe she's 19 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,639 Speaker 1: not around. I don't know, but we're all very curious 20 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: what happened to Kate. So we decided, okay, we have 21 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: to get the best person to talk about this, someone 22 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: who has actually been rapport on the royal family and 23 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: knows what she's doing. 24 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 2: So we are bringing in Ellie Hall. She is a DC. 25 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: Based freelance reporter who was BuzzFeed News's former royal reporter, 26 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: and she knows all of the inner workings of the 27 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: royal family and the pr machine behind them. Ellie, welcome 28 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: to the podcast. 29 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. 30 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: Absolutely thank you. So we're watching this from the outside. 31 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: We thought there was going to be this big update. 32 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: For some reason, we've watched Kate went into the hospital. 33 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: She had some surgery that she had to stay there 34 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: for two weeks. I think from my perspective I've had 35 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: I was a cancer patient, so I. 36 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 2: Was in the hospital. I was in the hospital and. 37 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: Had a double misseectomy and it was like two days 38 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 1: in the hospital. I don't think it was a full 39 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: two days in the hospital. So we're all curious. First 40 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: of all, what kind of surgery causes you to be 41 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: in there for two weeks? And then we don't see her. 42 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: There's the photoshop disaster. What is going on? We need 43 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: we need all the buzz. 44 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 3: Well, what I will say is that at the heart 45 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 3: of this, it's not so much about a princess at 46 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 3: a health crisis as it is about horrible public relations management. 47 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 3: I do not think that if Kensington Palace, and just 48 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 3: so your listeners understand, Kensington Palace is William and Kate's 49 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 3: press team, Buckingham Palace is the King and Queens. You 50 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 3: might think that the royal family has a centralized press operation. 51 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 2: They do not. It's very tribal and interesting. 52 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, and if Harry and Megan arts be believed, but 53 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 3: this is also something that we knew happened back in 54 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 3: the days of Diana and Charles, so it's not too 55 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 3: much of a stretch to imagine it still happens. Members 56 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 3: of different press teams will feed stories about the Royals 57 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 3: that they don't work for to the press in order 58 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 3: to get better press for their royals. 59 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 2: So there's a lot of alleged backstabbing that goes on 60 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 2: in this environment. 61 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 3: But anyway, as I was saying, Kensington Palace handled this 62 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 3: in a very strange way. From the very I think 63 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 3: that if they had perhaps followed the lead of Buckingham Palace, 64 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 3: because it's been quite interesting. 65 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 2: There have been two different members of the world family 66 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 2: having medical issues at the same time, right yep. 67 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, So the King went into hospital a few days 68 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 3: after Kate to get his prostate checked out. He left 69 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 3: and then we heard that he had been diagnosed with cancer. 70 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 3: We don't know what kind of cancer, but he's been 71 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 3: diagnosed with cancer and he's receiving treatment. We saw him 72 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 3: not only be seen in public leaving the hospital, but 73 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 3: he's posted two personalized messages thanking the public for their support. 74 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 2: There's been a. 75 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 3: Video of him reading getwell scene cards that members of 76 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 3: the public have sent. 77 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 2: There's a reason why we're not. 78 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 3: Seeing any sort of conspiracy theory around the King and 79 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 3: what's going on with his health, and it's because Buckingham 80 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 3: Palace was very, very active in their public relations. 81 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't think we would have gotten here. 82 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 3: If this had been handled differently from the beginning, and 83 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 3: as we all saw as everything a step unfolds before us, 84 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 3: that if different decisions had been made this situation we have, 85 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 3: with all this online craziness and conspiracy theories, we would 86 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 3: it wouldn't have reached the fever pitch level that we're 87 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 3: at now. 88 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that we are used to everybody 89 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 1: watching the royal family very closely and we remember them. 90 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: I mean, even Diana going into the hospital to give birth, 91 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: coming out, we see the baby, we see them leaving 92 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: the hospital. 93 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 2: I think that really is what it is. 94 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: It's first of all, like I said, why why such 95 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: a long stay? I think everybody went, oh my goodness, 96 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: what's wrong with her? And not from the standpoint of well, 97 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 1: we just want to have a good gossip time about 98 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: the royal families. Like people really genuinely love the royal family. 99 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: So and I think people have a special love for 100 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: Kate like they did for Diana. And so it's a 101 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: question of well, why don't we know? And I think 102 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: our generation is a little bit more aware because of 103 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 1: what happened with Diana and then the family saying, you know, 104 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 1: we want the paparazzi away from us. We can't stand 105 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 1: all of this press. We understand a certain amount of secrecy, 106 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: but you are not a private family. And the fact 107 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: is that if I were in the UK, I would say, hey, 108 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: we actually pay taxes and we want to know what's 109 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: going on with the people that we're supporting. Yeah. 110 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 3: I saw a very funny tweet someone a British person 111 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 3: said that they would like to get a refund for 112 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 3: all of. 113 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:33,239 Speaker 2: Their tax money. 114 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 3: That was spent on the Palace pr team because obviously 115 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 3: it wasn't being put to good you right, yeah, so, 116 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 3: and I agree that Kate has a special place in 117 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 3: everybody's hearts because she hasn't. 118 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 2: Done really anything wrong. 119 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 3: She's very obviously tried to make her life, adjust her 120 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 3: life and not have another Princess Diana situation. And I 121 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 3: think it's really important that you mentioned Princess Diana because. 122 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 2: I think the cultural memory that we all have of her, and. 123 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,679 Speaker 3: The questions that many people still have about the circumstances 124 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 3: of her death, the feelings that people have about the 125 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 3: pop rozzi and the press, and the feelings people have 126 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 3: about how she wasn't as supported by the royal family 127 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 3: as she could have been. I think people are remembering 128 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 3: all of that when they're looking at Kate and they're 129 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 3: seeing how long she was in the hospital, and they're 130 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 3: seeing that we haven't received it, you know, up until 131 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 3: a certain point, we haven't received any personalized statements from her. 132 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 3: Kate is the first woman since Diana to hold the 133 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 3: title Princess of Wales, so I think it makes sense 134 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 3: that people are if there's a situation where we could 135 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 3: be worried about her people are going to be thinking 136 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 3: about Diana and wanting to make sure that we're not 137 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 3: seeing this sort of thing again. 138 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, wouldn't wouldn't their children be Well, 139 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: their oldest is probably around the same age Harry was 140 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 1: when when they lost Diana, a. 141 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 3: Little bit younger. George will be eleven this year. Okay, 142 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 3: so but yeah, but that's only a three or four 143 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 3: years younger than Harry was. 144 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 2: So yeah, we're get we're getting up there at eight. 145 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 2: And that's another key point. 146 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 3: I've even seen people online who don't like Kate, who 147 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 3: say baby are bigger Harry and Megan supporters. But I've 148 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 3: seen people say that it doesn't matter how you feel 149 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 3: about Kate, like she's a mother and she's a good mother. 150 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 2: We've seen this and you know, she fell in love 151 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: with a man. 152 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 3: She didn't, you know, she signed up for this public 153 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 3: life because she fell in love with a man, and 154 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 3: that we need to remember that. 155 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 2: And you're correct. 156 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 3: The length of time in the hospital really has been 157 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 3: what was one of the first things that really made 158 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 3: people start wondering what was going on here, and it's 159 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 3: just sort of snowballed from there because for such a 160 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 3: long time we didn't have any information, We didn't have, 161 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 3: for lack. 162 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 2: Of a better word, any proof of life. 163 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 3: And really once those things did start going, once we 164 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 3: did start seeing paparazzi photos or you know, the photo 165 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 3: of William and Kate in the car, and then the 166 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 3: whole disaster with the Mother's Day in the British Mother's 167 00:07:59,040 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 3: Day photo. 168 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 2: Every step that was. 169 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 3: Taken that could have solved this, they could have shut 170 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 3: these conspiracy theories down, made everything worse. 171 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: But William has been out and reporters have yelled things 172 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: to him. 173 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 2: He won't say anything. 174 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: So you brought up she fell in love with a 175 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: man and she now she is the Princess of Wales. However, 176 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: there are stories now circulating that that man fell in 177 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: love with someone else. 178 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 2: So what is going on with that story? All right? 179 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 3: And this is uh I actually have a story coming 180 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 3: out today about this. But back in twenty nineteen, the 181 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 3: British press started publishing some stories about how Kate had 182 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 3: had a mysterious. 183 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 2: Falling out with one of her friends who was Kate 184 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 2: and Wayne's neighbor. 185 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 3: They have a country house out in Norfolk in the UK, 186 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 3: and all the story said was that there had been 187 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 3: a friendship breakup, and Kate wanted this woman, whose name 188 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 3: is Lady Sarah Rose, the Marchioness of Chumley. Her maiden 189 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 3: name Hanbury, so you'll see her referred to in the 190 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 3: press as Rose Hanbury. Kate wanted her out of a 191 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 3: social circle. And the interesting thing was, after a few 192 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 3: of these stories have been published, the royal family came 193 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 3: down pretty hard. They apparently were trying to decide whether 194 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 3: to threaten legal action against the news outlets that had 195 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 3: reported this friendship breakup. And this was all revealed in 196 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 3: a Daily Mail column by a guy named Richard Kay, 197 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 3: who's very well sourced in the Palace, so obviously the 198 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 3: Palace went to him and said, we want you to 199 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 3: write this up. Why such a big reaction to a 200 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 3: story about a friendship breakup? So the press was hinting 201 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 3: at something. Libel laws are very different in the UK. 202 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 3: There are arguments about how much free speech do people 203 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 3: actually have there, because it's a very very different ballgame 204 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 3: in terms of what you can say and if you 205 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 3: will be stewed for saying something. So what happened from 206 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 3: there was people online began to guess perhaps this was 207 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 3: coded language in the tabloids that William had had an 208 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 3: affair with Rose, and then in Touch Weekly, a American outlet, 209 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 3: had this huge magazine cover story and that this is 210 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 3: the first week of April twenty nineteen, I want to say, 211 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 3: saying that there had been an affair, that William had 212 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 3: cheated on Kate with Rose Hanbury, and Kate was devastated. 213 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 3: And that was sort of the tipping point because nobody 214 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 3: in the UK press could report on it up until now. 215 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 3: But now that someone in America had sort of broken 216 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 3: the story, we saw a little bit of coverage of that, 217 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 3: and Prince William's lawyers set out letters to major media 218 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 3: outlets saying, do not record in this story. 219 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 2: This is a violation of privacy. We will go after you. 220 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 2: So you sort of saw all of that shut down 221 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 2: after a few months. 222 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 3: So and this has been one of the interesting things 223 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 3: about this whole situation for royal watchers, because we heard 224 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 3: of Rose Henbry back in twenty nineteen no one, but 225 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 3: many people hadn't even heard those rumors. And because of 226 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 3: all of the pr mistmanagement, there was this space for 227 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 3: all of these old skeletons in the royal family's closet 228 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 3: to come out. So where we're at now is people 229 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 3: are suddenly discovering that there was all this speculation about 230 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 3: William cheatingh on K back in twenty nineteen, and there 231 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 3: have been many conspiracy theories around Rose. And it's very 232 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 3: interesting because she up until now has never commented on it. 233 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 3: But last week her lawyers, Business Insider got the scoop. 234 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 3: Her lawyers said, the rumors of an affair are all nonsense. 235 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 3: So we've reached a point now where she feels she 236 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 3: has to comment on it, and yeah, so it's but 237 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 3: a little crazy. 238 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: So I why then, let me try to pick this 239 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: apart a little bit, because we've seen the rumors obviously, 240 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: and we see the pictures of George on the balcony 241 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: with Rose's sons during the coronation of King Charles, and 242 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: everybody's like, why would they have been there? 243 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 2: Why did they get these fantastic. 244 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: Seats where they're on the balcony and the other kids 245 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: aren't even there? 246 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 2: Why? So why is that? Well, so the let me 247 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 2: see you. 248 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 3: Rose is married to David rock Savage, the Marquess of Chumbley, 249 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 3: and he had an important role in Queen Elizabeth's reign 250 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 3: and he's was given I care for his exact tide 251 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 3: when he was given a pretty cushy job to the King, 252 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 3: like a personal advisor, so it sort of made sense 253 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 3: that one of his sons was a page of honor. 254 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 2: They went looking. 255 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 3: For children who were around Prince George's age, because George 256 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 3: was one two who could really just carry the robes 257 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 3: during the coronation ceremony, So it made sense. 258 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 2: This family that's. 259 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 3: Been associated with the worlds for a long time, the 260 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 3: title Chumbley. There have been Chumley's forever, dating back hundreds 261 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 3: of years, and they've always been close to the crown 262 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 3: all of that. 263 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 2: But that was something that people. 264 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 3: Noticed that, you know, this this family was close enough 265 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 3: to the royals that their son was given an unimportant 266 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 3: job in the coronation, and there has been you know, 267 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 3: the outfit that rose War to the coronation was written 268 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 3: up and it was pointed out that like, she wore 269 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 3: the same shoes that Kate had worn the day before. 270 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:22,239 Speaker 2: So if you look at the British press. 271 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 3: They don't say things, but depending on what they cover, 272 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 3: you can sort of see what they're hinting at. And 273 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 3: this past these past few weeks after the Mother's Day 274 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 3: photo came out, which I'm sure we'll get to, but 275 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 3: there is a whole controversy about that and how. 276 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 2: It was edited. 277 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 3: You start, we started seeing some UK outlets on on 278 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:47,559 Speaker 3: Twitter x post like who is Rose Hanbury an explainer 279 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 3: to the marchings of Chumley? And many people commented and 280 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 3: I think this is a valid theory that this was 281 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 3: sort of a shot across the bow at the royal family. 282 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 3: You know they why did they put an explainer up 283 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 3: on Rose Handbury? Well, you know, maybe we'll report some 284 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 3: more things on her. We're just showing you that we 285 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 3: can start writing about. 286 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,719 Speaker 2: This if we want to. So I don't know how 287 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 2: accurate that is. 288 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: You're not going to talk to us. We'll put our 289 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 1: own stuff out that is. 290 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, the relationship between the British press and the British 291 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 3: monarchy is fascinating. It's one of the things that I 292 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 3: enjoy covering, almost more than the Royal family itself, because 293 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 3: it's such an interesting relationship. 294 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 2: And if you watch stories that are published, if you watch. 295 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 3: People who get scoops, you really can sort of see 296 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 3: the strategy at work there. 297 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 298 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon podcast. We are used to people being 299 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: able to say anything about anyone and this is kind 300 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: of like a poetry of nuance over in the UK, 301 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: so you have to read between the lines. So let's 302 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: get to that picture, because that was really when the 303 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: fire storm started. 304 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 2: She's gone. 305 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: We're okay with the fact that she's gone, I think 306 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: at this point, because we've been told she had the surgery, 307 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: she's a mom. We're like, we're gonna let her heal, 308 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: We're not going to say anything about where she is. 309 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: And then this picture comes out and there's drama, I mean, 310 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: and then the American press the next morning is. 311 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 2: Like, oh my goodness. 312 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: You know, we had to take this picture down because 313 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: Kate Middleton somehow altered this picture. And I think all 314 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: of us were like, oh my gosh, her head is 315 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: on someone else's body, like it's got to be something extreme. 316 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: But then I pull it up and I'm like, wait 317 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: a minute, it's like the one it's the little girl's wrist, 318 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: it's a little boy sweater. Why was it such a 319 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: big deal that she did this to this photo? 320 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 2: Well, so this is a. 321 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 3: Very important thing about the royal family. How it operates 322 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 3: now and it goes back to Princess Diana. So I'm 323 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 3: sure you remember seeing, you know, the footage of Charles 324 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 3: and Diana on their trip to Australia and little William 325 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 3: on the blanket walking in front of the cameras, or 326 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 3: you know, William in the garden at Kinsican Palace going 327 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 3: up to the cameraman. The way it used to be 328 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 3: was press photographers and videographers would have a photo call 329 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 3: with the royal family and their children. They'd come in, 330 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 3: they'd take some photos, they'd get out, and those photos 331 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 3: would be used by the world to you know, just 332 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 3: here's what the royal family's up to. 333 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 2: Here's what the royal kids are up to. 334 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 3: When George was born, waym and Kate's eldest child, William 335 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 3: made the decision that he wasn't going to play that. 336 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 2: Game with his kids. 337 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 3: What they were going to do instead was they would 338 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 3: take photos and they would give them to the press 339 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 3: to run. So that you know, and most of the 340 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 3: time Kate took those photos we've seen that, you know, 341 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 3: of the past eleven years ten eleven years. 342 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 2: She's an amateur photographer. She takes photos of her. 343 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 3: Kids and the fact that these handout photos are being 344 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 3: given to the press means that these are news photos. 345 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 2: These are not family photos. 346 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 3: These are images that are part of the historical record 347 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 3: and are going to be shared with the world, and 348 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 3: they should be the same quality and at the same 349 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 3: standard as photos that a member of the press would come. 350 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 2: In and take. So we haven't had any controversy sees 351 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 2: like this up until. 352 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 3: Now, but if you follow the royal family, there are 353 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 3: definitely times where the images have been edited, but nobody 354 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 3: really looked at. 355 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 2: It that closely before. And I think that's what's interesting. 356 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 3: About this, because you can't imagine a worse time to 357 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 3: have manipulated an image. 358 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 2: The whole world wants to see a photo of Kate. 359 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 3: Everyone is going to look very closely at this picture 360 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 3: because there have been so many rumors about her. 361 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 2: There probably has. 362 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 3: Never been a time in the royal family's history where 363 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 3: there was so much writing on a single image and 364 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 3: that image was edited. When there are conspiracy theories circulating, 365 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 3: the absolute last thing you want to do is give 366 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 3: the conspiracy theorys something they can point to and say, see, 367 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 3: I told you it was a cover up, and that 368 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,959 Speaker 3: is exactly what this photo did so in terms of 369 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 3: why the media agencies started issuing kill notices. And this 370 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 3: wasn't just like one news agency. These were all the 371 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 3: major news agencies in the world. You had Associated Press, AFP, 372 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 3: Getty reiters. But a key thing here is they didn't 373 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 3: start killing that photo until they went to Kensington Palace 374 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 3: and said, hey, we see there are edits here on 375 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 3: this photo. We can't run this because you know, we 376 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 3: were supposed to report the news we're supposed to give 377 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 3: our readers around the world and like true images, because 378 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 3: all of these agencies have very very strict rules about what. 379 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 2: You can edit or not. 380 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 3: A little bit of cropping that's okay, filters absolutely not. 381 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 3: So Kensington Palace, though, didn't give them the original image, and. 382 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 2: That's something that they were begging for because they don't 383 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 2: want this is this looks bad for everybody have. 384 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: Like, okay, well here's the real image. We wanted to 385 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: cut out someone's straight hair. 386 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 3: No, yes, So what I've heard that there are big 387 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 3: lots of different signs of editing in there. Some people 388 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 3: have said there are signs that you know, around Kate's 389 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 3: chest area, there were some copying and pasting, but this 390 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 3: image could have been a composite of five different pictures 391 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 3: or six different pictures, so maybe somebody's eyes were closed 392 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 3: in one and they just sort of took the best 393 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 3: version of all the photos that I've seen. Some professional 394 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 3: photographers say that they think that's. 395 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 2: What might have been done. 396 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 3: But you think if it was five images put together, 397 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,199 Speaker 3: why not just give the press an image where Charlotte's 398 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 3: looking away or Charlotte's got her eyes closed, just to 399 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 3: show that there's no cover up here. 400 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 2: There's been no huge editing. 401 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,479 Speaker 3: Kensing and Palace wouldn't do that, and that was done 402 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 3: before these kill orders went out, so this wasn't just 403 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 3: a reaction. 404 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 2: This was something they didn't want to do this. 405 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 3: The agencies wanted the real photo and Kensing and Palace 406 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 3: wouldn't give it to them, and they still haven't given 407 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,439 Speaker 3: it to them. So that's something that isn't great, and 408 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 3: it's something I think we're going to see the repercussions 409 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:06,880 Speaker 3: of this through the next few months, maybe years, because 410 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 3: this was a violation of the trust in the eyes 411 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 3: of the press that they've had with the royal family 412 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 3: for all these years. 413 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 2: They've been trusting the royal family with these handout photos. 414 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 2: Are they going to so yeah, is. 415 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,199 Speaker 1: This why we're seeing that these organizations are saying that 416 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 1: they feel as though they're not Kensington Palace is no 417 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 1: longer a trustworthy source of information? 418 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was. 419 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 3: One of the directors of the AFP said, you know, 420 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 3: when it comes to edited photos, we're used to this 421 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 3: sort of thing in North Korea. We're not used to 422 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 3: this coming from the British royal family. I mean, why 423 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 3: would you doctor photos, particularly of something as innocent as. 424 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 2: A mother with her three kids. 425 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 1: So I think that's from our perspective, everybody was like, okay, 426 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: but what's the big deal? So this is kind of 427 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: the backstory now we get it, they won't provide the 428 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: real picture. Still calls into question what's going on with 429 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: k I know that we've seen them in the car, 430 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: we've seen the picture or the video of them walking. 431 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 2: It's grainy. 432 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 1: There's been people that have said that this is a 433 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: body double. I'm not going there, but I do think 434 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 1: that it is really fishy that she had this surgery. 435 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 2: And we haven't seen her. 436 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 1: And like I said, it's not even her, it's that 437 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: William won't come out and say anything. He is her husband, 438 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: and you sort of expect in certain situations for the 439 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: husband as the spouse and the person who cares for 440 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: the other person to come out and be in that 441 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: protective mode of hey, you know what, give us some time. 442 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,479 Speaker 2: Kate's doing well. We thank you for the waal wishes. 443 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 1: I mean, even like you've pointed out King Charles saying, hey, 444 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 1: thanks for the whal wishes here, I am reading these. 445 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 2: But there's nothing. 446 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 3: No, there's the only thing we've gotten from William is 447 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 3: in a few speeches he's mentioned, you know how grateful 448 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,360 Speaker 3: he is for the people who've sent good thoughts towards 449 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,959 Speaker 3: his father and his wife. He visited a synagogue and 450 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 3: said that he and his wife were really worried about 451 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 3: the rise and anti Semitism. But we haven't gotten him 452 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 3: addressing his wife's health at all. 453 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: And I think that makes us kind of mad, because 454 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: those of us who grew up with them growing up 455 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 1: at the same time and watched him and thought he 456 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: was like this great guy, and saw this love story 457 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: and think of him as like this phenomenal husband to 458 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: Kate and they have this great fairy. 459 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 2: Tale love story. 460 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: This is a moment where you go, well, wait a minute, 461 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 1: come out and say something. And it's not because we 462 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: just because we want to know, but because you're making 463 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: her look like an idiot. 464 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, or you're making it looks secretive. 465 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 3: And this is People have asked me, Ellie, what's your 466 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 3: big theory about what's going on? And my theory is 467 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 3: that it has been William particularly, but maybe William and 468 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 3: Kate who have been running this thing. I mean, a 469 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 3: public relations team is only is good as the level 470 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 3: in which he listened to them is. If you don't 471 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 3: listen to a pr team, they're not going to help you. 472 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,439 Speaker 3: I think that Kate and William have really really wanted 473 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 3: this to be private, absolutely nothing to do with the public. 474 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 3: In the first statement that came out announcing Kate was 475 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 3: in the hospital, it said she wants her personal medical 476 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 3: information to remain private. And I think that they have 477 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 3: been driving the strategy thinking only from the perspective of 478 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 3: this is private medical business, and they've sort of lost 479 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 3: the bigger picture that they are members of the royal 480 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 3: family and if you create this information void, people are 481 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 3: going to rush to fill it because that's what humans do. 482 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 2: We want to explain things, we want to understand things, well, 483 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 2: and you. 484 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: At the same time, you have this whole Netflix documentary. 485 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: You have Harry and Megan in the United States, like 486 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: totally belligerent coming out and telling all of their stories 487 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: about the royal family. And I think it's so crazy 488 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: because I feel like the majority of the world. 489 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 2: I mean, we've all. 490 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: Watched this, and even if you say I don't care, 491 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: you've watched, you've sort of cared, So don't lie about that. 492 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: And as we've watched it, we've been really team William 493 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: because we're like, what kind of horrible person leaves their 494 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: family and then tells all their secrets, you know? And 495 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: now having William be this guy who's like this uptight 496 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: jerk that won't come out and talk to anybody and 497 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: say anything. 498 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 2: But you are the You are the future king people. 499 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 1: You are the man who is supposed to be the 500 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: man of the people, like people want to look to 501 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 1: you as the king of their nation. And whether that, 502 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: you know, whether that is a I guess an honorary title, 503 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: or you really have true power. I mean, you're that's 504 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: still your position. And the fact that he acts like 505 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: he should live a private life, well, if that's the case, 506 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: then maybe you should run off to America and become 507 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: a belligerent royal as well, because we expect more from you. 508 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. 509 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 3: And what we're beginning to see here is sort of 510 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 3: a resurrect in the press, at least is a resurrection 511 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 3: of some of the old complaints that had been raised against. 512 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 2: Will for a while they're in the press. 513 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 3: He had the nickname Workshy Wills because at the end 514 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 3: of the year, the royal family releases a list of 515 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 3: how many engagements each member does, and it was shameful. 516 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 3: I think you would see back even when Prince Philip 517 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 3: was still doing engagements, he would do double the amount 518 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 3: that William and Kate did. The Queen would do something 519 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 3: like cripple, and people are sort of beginning to think, Okay, 520 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 3: you know, you're not telling us anything about your wife, 521 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 3: and you just said that you're going to take, you know, 522 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 3: a three week vacation. 523 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 2: What's going on here? 524 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,959 Speaker 3: If you're not working and you're not telling us anything, Like, 525 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 3: what is what's what's going on here? 526 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 2: What's the use of you? 527 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 3: Like you are going to be a king for far 528 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 3: longer than your father is going to be a king. 529 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 3: Don't you sort of feel like you shouldn't be stepping 530 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 3: it up here, and shouldn't you be trying to find 531 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 3: a way that you're comfortable with and your wife is 532 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 3: comfortable with to reassure people, because that's a key thing here. 533 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 3: A lot of people are genuinely worried about Kate. Now 534 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 3: they may have different theories about what's going on with Kate, 535 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 3: but they are really worried because the questions you. 536 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 2: Have to ask are why not release the original photo? 537 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 2: Things like that. 538 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 3: There are so many small things that to outsiders at 539 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 3: least seem like not a big deal, a very easy fix, 540 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 3: and those things haven't been done, and people just have 541 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 3: a lot of questions. 542 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 1: And ironically, the thing that we grew up with with 543 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 1: the Royal family when I was growing up, obviously Diana 544 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: was out there a lot and she was doing all 545 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,199 Speaker 1: and that was I think why people loved her here. 546 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: She was giving her time to go travel to see orphans, 547 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: to take care of children, and she was so hands 548 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: on and so available. I think just the availability of 549 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: Diana made people feel like they were close to the 550 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,040 Speaker 1: royal family in a way Charles was never going to 551 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: be able to accomplish. And the personality conflict there obviously 552 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 1: was very large, but it made the Royal family touchable, lovable, 553 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: you know, it made the Royal family different. 554 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 2: And the funny, the ironic thing about this is that 555 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 2: Harry got that. 556 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: That's Harry, and I think that when Harry and William 557 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: were so close, people still felt like we have this 558 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: connection to the Royal family. And Harry provided all of 559 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: the things that Diana provided that William couldn't be. And 560 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: now that there's this rift and there's no more Harry, 561 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 1: let's face it, he's not a part of the Royal 562 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: family anymore. 563 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 2: What do we have left. We are looking to Kate 564 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 2: to pull us all together. Now Kate's missing, and it 565 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 2: really is bizarre because then that leaves no one no 566 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 2: And this is the thing. 567 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 3: So before Harry and Meghan left, there is a lot 568 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 3: of talk in the well the now king back then, 569 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 3: Prince Charles purposely fed this out to the press that 570 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 3: he wanted to support a slimmed down monarchy, that's the 571 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 3: exact phrase they use, because it would save save taxpayer 572 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 3: pounds and you know, it would just make everything work 573 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 3: a little easier if there were fewer members who were 574 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 3: being supported by the public. And what we're seeing now 575 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 3: is the problem with that? If you have two people 576 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 3: out of commission, there's a limit to how much. 577 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 2: You can do. And what's more, Kate is without a doubt, 578 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 2: the most popular member of the world family, and she's 579 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 2: also the one that sells papers. 580 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 3: I mean, people love her. Everyone wants to see what 581 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 3: she's up to. I was just talking about this with 582 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 3: a friend. But there are probably about ten blogs that 583 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 3: are devoted only to what she wears. 584 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 2: So if you ever see Kate wearing. 585 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 3: Something and you're like, I want that, believe me, there's 586 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 3: a blog. They've already figured out what that item is 587 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 3: and they're linking to. 588 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 2: Until you can purchase it. 589 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: And they think I'm that person because I literally get 590 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: that on Facebook every day. Do you want Kate Middleton's wedges? 591 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 1: These are them? And I'm like, I don't know, do 592 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: I do I need to have her wedges? But I 593 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: can completely see that she is well loved and that 594 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: is really that has been the connection. 595 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 2: And we don't know. 596 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess everybody can say, Okay, well she's fine, 597 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: but are we going to see her at Easter? Do 598 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: we expect her to come out? 599 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 3: So this is interesting. The Sunday Times lot. Yeah not yeah, 600 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 3: it was this past Sunday, over the weekend. The Sunday Times, 601 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 3: who their Royal reporter, is very well sourced, but this 602 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 3: story said that Kate might not be seen during the 603 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 3: Royal family's traditional walk to church on Easter because that 604 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 3: would be during her children's school holidays, and they don't 605 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 3: work during their children's school holidays, so we might be 606 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 3: seeing even later, like the Easter doesn't mean the religious holiday, 607 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 3: but Easter means the end of the Easter holidays, and 608 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 3: William would also be taking that time off, which isn't great. 609 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 3: But the story also said that Kate was going to 610 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 3: be getting back into more of her charity work with 611 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 3: her patronages. Her big calls is early Childhood, early Years, 612 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 3: mental Health, Early year's support to sort of help set 613 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 3: children up for success, and hopefully if she starts doing that, 614 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 3: we'll be able to get some positive press. But where 615 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 3: we're at right now is there haven't been any real 616 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 3: concrete signs of when she'll be back, and people really 617 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 3: want that because I don't think this is going to 618 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 3: die down until she is back out doing her job, 619 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 3: shaking hands, seeing people waving to the cameras because there 620 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,959 Speaker 3: have been so many unexplainable weird things that have happened. 621 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 2: And in that I include, you know, the TMZ photo. 622 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 3: Of her and her mother, and the video that came 623 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 3: out over the weekend of her and William at the 624 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 3: farmer's market, just all of these, all these little. 625 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 2: Things, and do you believe that video is real? Here's 626 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 2: what I think about video. 627 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 3: We saw when the first paparazzi photo came out that 628 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 3: the Palace leaned heavily on the British press not to 629 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 3: publish it. 630 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 2: So this went up in America. No one in the 631 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 2: UK published that photo. 632 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 3: They all wrote stories that the photo had been taken, 633 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 3: but they didn't show the photo because the Palace said 634 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 3: it would be a violation of kid's privacy to print 635 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 3: this image. Then fast forward to this past weekend, we 636 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 3: have this video that comes out of her and her 637 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 3: husband walking out of a farmer's market near their home, 638 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 3: and the Palace doesn't say anything. And the reporter who 639 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 3: broke this story has said on Twitter X that they 640 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 3: went to the Palace for confirmation that this was actually them. 641 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 3: They went to the Palace for comment and the Palace 642 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 3: didn't block it. I think if it wasn't William and 643 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 3: Kate in that video, they would have blocked it. This 644 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 3: was in my opinion, as someone who's covered the Royal 645 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 3: family for eleven years now and has had many interactions 646 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 3: with the press office, I believe that the reason for 647 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 3: the videos publication was so that the Royal family's press 648 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,239 Speaker 3: team could remain in a position of power and not 649 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 3: look like they had given in to this public demand 650 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 3: for more images. 651 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 2: Of Kate, videos of Kate. This sort of got their 652 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 2: job done for them if they let this video. 653 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, as a person who has watched Star Wars, I 654 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: of course immediately assumed it was a decoy, like Queen 655 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: Amidala has. 656 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 2: One, so it must be that Kate has one as well. 657 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 3: Well. A lot of people have said that, and there's 658 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 3: been a lot of people even comparing videos of Kate 659 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 3: walking to the video of Kate walking over the weekend 660 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 3: and attempts to zoom in. And I do think that 661 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 3: a point that is important is like, I don't know 662 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 3: about you, but my iPhone can take better videos than that. 663 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 2: All right, that was a very grainy video. 664 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 3: I saw someone online say it look like you know 665 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 3: those old razor flip phones that every court used to 666 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 3: have that did such grady video you couldn't zoom in. 667 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 2: Yes, it was conveniently horrible. Yeah, I was conveniely horrible. 668 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 3: And even from the conveniently horrible stance, did look like 669 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 3: the Kate were used to. But it does make sense. 670 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 3: She was obviously has lost weight, but that makes sense. 671 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 3: If you've had surgery, you're not feeling that great. You're 672 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 3: probably not eating that much. 673 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: She cannot lose weight. This is the smallest person on 674 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 1: the planet. So I think that's the other thing. We're 675 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: all like, well, wait a minute, this is someone who 676 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: already you know. It's funny because when you have a 677 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: surgery like that, I mean, I think most people think, gosh, 678 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: this must be cancer, this must be something terrible, you know, 679 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: And anytime you have a surgery like that, you do 680 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: have a recovery period. And we look at Kate and 681 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: we go, gosh, she doesn't really have a lot of 682 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: to spare, So if she has to recover, she doesn't 683 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: have a lot of reserves there because she's just naturally 684 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: a very thin person. And so I think that's another concern. 685 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: And when we see that video, we're like, this is 686 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 1: a I don't even men. I think the person even 687 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: looked shorter than her, but I don't know. It just 688 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: seemed very, very weird, and I think them not saying 689 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: anything like, oh, well, it's great that they got to 690 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: go to the farmer's market together. 691 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 2: You know, why not say anything? It's just so bizarre. 692 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense. And this is the whole I'm 693 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 2: sure you've heard this before. 694 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 3: The royal family's unofficial motto when it comes to the 695 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,879 Speaker 3: press is never complain, never explain, So never complain about 696 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 3: bad coverage, and if there are these mysteries, don't ever 697 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 3: explain it because it sort of takes away from you know, 698 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 3: this idea of the royal families being above everything. What 699 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 3: I really think we're seeing here is never complain, never explain, 700 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,280 Speaker 3: only works up to a point. 701 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 2: In a digital world. 702 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 3: It reaches a point where you're just gonna lose control 703 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 3: of the narrative because social media is driving it. And 704 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,839 Speaker 3: that's been fascinating for me, because social media has been 705 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 3: driving all of this. Social media has forced the Palace 706 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,720 Speaker 3: to respond to what is essentially gossip, and that's something 707 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 3: that they have never done before. 708 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break We'll continue next on 709 00:34:55,040 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. So, you know what paparazzi was bad, 710 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,839 Speaker 1: but now everyone has a cell phone. Everybody is an 711 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:10,439 Speaker 1: amateur reporter, journalist and ambush journalist. I mean everybody out 712 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 1: there can be taking video and it just seems weird 713 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 1: that one person got a shot really far away. I 714 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,799 Speaker 1: don't know, it just doesn't add up. But we are 715 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 1: all watching from the sidelines. We want to find out 716 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: what the truth is. I think everybody is going to 717 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: be interested until we see Kate actually come out and 718 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 1: talk to cameras. And I will say one more time, 719 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,360 Speaker 1: very very weird that William will not respond. 720 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that you can even see videos of him 721 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 3: from the past few weeks of people asking him questions 722 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 3: and at as he goes into you a diva or something, 723 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 3: and he's he's not responding, And this is his personality 724 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 3: is very, very stubborn, and I feel where we're at 725 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 3: now is he just doesn't want to. 726 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 2: Do absolutely anything to do with this. 727 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 3: He doesn't want it to be seen like the press 728 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 3: is driving him or social media is driving him. I'd 729 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 3: really recommend the Daily Beasts reporter Tom Sykes is very 730 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 3: well sourced within William's circle, and the stories he's been 731 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 3: publishing have been really interesting because it's all friends of 732 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 3: William and Kate and their attitude as reflected in. 733 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 2: These pieces is interesting. 734 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is like no, like they don't care about this. 735 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 3: Social media is stupid, it's so toxic. We're going to 736 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 3: not respond to it. We're just going to try to 737 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 3: ignore it. 738 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 2: And as you know. 739 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 3: We've established here, you can only ignore it up to 740 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,240 Speaker 3: a point. When it's starts driving the narrative. You really 741 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:34,879 Speaker 3: need to step in and get control or else it's 742 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 3: going to get completely out of hands. 743 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,839 Speaker 1: And I mean, really outside of their reputation, what are 744 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 1: they if they don't have a reputation of loving the 745 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 1: people and being, like I said, being the royalty of 746 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 1: the people. And the fact that he is being like 747 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: this I think is really hurting him. I think it 748 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,240 Speaker 1: will hurt him for years to come. As you said, 749 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 1: this could go on for months. I really think that 750 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 1: this is forming an opinion of him, just like when 751 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 1: Harry did what he did. I mean, once you turn 752 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 1: on a public figure like this, it's really hard to get. 753 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 2: The love back. 754 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: So if William doesn't come out soon, I think this 755 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,759 Speaker 1: could do long term damage to his reputation. 756 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think what I think they're going to have 757 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,759 Speaker 3: to do a big gesture, I think, And that was 758 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 3: something that the Sunday Time story I referenced earlier made 759 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 3: clear too. That he and Kate are reportedly in discussions 760 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 3: about how she can talk about this once she's back, 761 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 3: you know, doing her work, and she's the authority on herself, 762 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 3: so she she'll be able to calm this down by 763 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,760 Speaker 3: talking about herself. But I really think I agree William 764 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,880 Speaker 3: needs to be part of that. Whatever she does, he 765 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 3: needs to be part of that because if he does 766 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 3: a good job explaining, we all can understand, especially given 767 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 3: what happened to Diana, his desire to protect his wife 768 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,000 Speaker 3: from all of this. But it does reach a level, 769 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 3: and I'll say, when we've gotten to the point where 770 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 3: people online really believe, like one of the theories that's 771 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 3: been circulating is that you know, Kate might be a 772 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,359 Speaker 3: domestic abuse victim. When you've reached the level where people 773 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,359 Speaker 3: expect where you are speculating about that, that's a very 774 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,759 Speaker 3: good sign that you need to do something, because yeah, no, 775 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 3: that's that's one of the that's a conspiracy theories it's 776 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:10,919 Speaker 3: been around for. 777 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 2: A while now. And you know, as I said, it is, 778 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,359 Speaker 2: why can't she show her face? What is she? What 779 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 2: is hiding? And what? Oh gosh that does that goes 780 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:22,800 Speaker 2: to the photoshop stuff. 781 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,839 Speaker 1: And I mean not to spread that rumor, but I mean, 782 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 1: as a woman, you really do go what is it 783 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 1: that powerful people can hide stuff? I think I'll just 784 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,319 Speaker 1: say this last thing. I think it's so funny that 785 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: I see all these people that are like. 786 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. 787 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 1: You know, Charles has cancer and he's treating with herbs, 788 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:48,359 Speaker 1: and like the royal princess is missing, and it's there's 789 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,200 Speaker 1: a rumor that the Royal prince is having an affair. 790 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 1: At this point, France would be invading. And I'm like, 791 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. This sounds pretty much like the royal 792 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 1: family all throughout history, Like why is that any different? 793 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, We're just we're not used to it. 794 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 3: I mean, I think you know, if we go back 795 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 3: one hundred years or three hundred years, everyone back one 796 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,480 Speaker 3: back then can be oh yuys, this business as usual. 797 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 3: But we're just we're not used to it. And it 798 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 3: partly is because William and Kate in particular have done 799 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:19,319 Speaker 3: a very good job, interacting with the public, getting out there, 800 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:24,880 Speaker 3: being seen, supporting their causes, and where we're at now 801 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,319 Speaker 3: is not great and they really will need to come 802 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,040 Speaker 3: back and hit the ground running to start re establishing 803 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 3: that level of trust and affection with the public, right yeah. 804 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Well, when they finally come back, we'd love 805 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,399 Speaker 1: to have you back on to talk about it. 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