WEBVTT - Title: Episode 12 - Roundtable 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:05.200 Welcome to The Dougherty Gang, a production of I Heart 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:10.840 Radio and Katie Studios. This is our final episode, episode 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:15.760 twelve Round Table. I'm Courtney Armstrong, a crime producer at 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:20.000 Katie Studios with Stephanie Lydecker. We've been working with producer 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:24.520 Beth Greenwald on The Dockerty Gang for months now. This 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:28.120 podcast is being made into a movie. Writer director Seawan 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:30.520 McEwan as the filmmaker who took on the story of 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:34.480 the Doughertys. He first met the siblings eight years ago, 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:38.240 and today he sits down with the film's lead actors, 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:43.800 India Eisley who plays Lee Grace, Emery Cohen who plays Dylan, 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:48.159 and Sam Strike who plays Ryan. They talk about their 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:50.960 roles in the film and the process of making the movie. 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:58.840 Sean also spoke with podcast executive producer Joseph Morgan India 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:01.600 Ladies for So, first of all, how did you find 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:04.240 out about the movie? When did you read the script 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:08.320 and what was your initial reaction to the story. The 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:10.480 script was just sent to me like any other appointment, 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:13.840 any other directors meeting, and I had not heard of 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:16.600 the story before I got the script. So in the 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:19.840 email package, I first I read the article, and then 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:22.280 I read the script and what was your impression of 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:24.680 the article? When I read the article, it was a 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:26.800 very interesting read, especially because I hadn't heard of the 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:29.520 story at all. I found it more heartbreaking than anything, 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:35.679 especially that the extremely harsh sentencing that they that they 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:38.680 were given. And as far as attracting me to the project, 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:41.399 what attracted me? And when I heard that Sam and 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:43.520 Emory were on board, I was found to both of 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:46.520 their work Sound from mind Hunter, Emory from the OA, 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:49.200 and he had worked with some that I know, and 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:51.760 so I wanted to work with them, and you know, 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:54.880 it was just honestly, the whole thing appealed to me. 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:57.120 Oh so, Emory, I'm gonna shift it over to you 0:01:57.400 --> 0:01:59.120 and ask you the same. How did you find out 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:02.320 about the movie? Yeah? I mean, like India, I didn't 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:05.960 know about the story. And to me, it was like 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:08.920 kind of a story about family and I found that 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:12.600 to be that like struck me, you know, because it's 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:16.080 hard to imagine doing certain things, but then you put 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:18.320 yourself in a scenario of what you would need to 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:21.280 do to you know, protect your family or keep your 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:24.440 family safe, and that opened up a world of imagination 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:28.000 that's amazing. So what is it about the real life 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:32.240 character of Ryan that attracted you to the role and 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:38.760 did you feel like you could relate with Ryan? Um? 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:41.040 I was reading one Ryan in the script, but then 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:43.280 talking to Ryan, I was getting quite different Ryan, and 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:45.720 I felt overwhelmed already and I was up. I was 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:48.239 having a crisis in the in the few days leading 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:51.880 up to shooting, like who is this guy? Specifically because 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:54.359 it all happened quite quickly for being cost to get 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:57.160 in to getting into the States. What was attractive to 0:02:57.160 --> 0:03:00.280 me was that his perception of himself. I think it 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:04.120 was quite different from how other people perceived them and 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:06.680 for me, that helped create like an arc from start 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:10.000 to finish. Yeah, that's great. So also I'll swing this 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:13.200 over to UH to India the same thing. What is 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:17.200 it about the real life character and the character that 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:20.519 attracted you to the role? For me, I just without 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:23.560 sounding you know, contrived or anything. When I work, I 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:27.880 tend to just focus on the energy before I focus 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:33.680 on details. And you know, like I didn't really want 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:36.680 to judge her on the script or on the article, 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:40.119 and I really was waiting for that first phone call 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:43.400 with her, and then I kind of took it from 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:47.160 there perfect and so everything to you. Well, I mean 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:50.960 at first, there was a lot that was really foreign 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:53.880 to me. You know, like I'm an only child, I'm 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:57.800 from New York City and this is a story about 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:02.160 the oldest brother the family trying to kind of be 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:06.320 like the father of that family. But I did relate to, 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:10.360 Like I remember, I know, like with my friends at times, 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:13.720 I have this very protective quality about two of my 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:17.880 best best friends in particular, where like if something happened, 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:20.479 they're both actors, and like, if something happens to them 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:22.599 or it goes wrong with them, like I immediately want 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:25.599 to try to like save them. And I think Dylan, 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:29.560 he's really trying to save the people he loves in 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:32.000 this kind of way, almost like a martyr, you know, 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:37.280 like you would sacrifice himself for his family. So Sam, here, 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:39.880 you read the script, there's this Ryan character hopefully that's 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:42.200 on the page to some extent. Then you connect with 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:44.160 him in real life, and then you of course kind 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:46.880 of put your own dynamic on it as well. Yeah. 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:50.760 I remember we were all out for lunch Mayeve memory 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:53.760 in India, and you got up for a second and 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:55.720 you came back to the table and handed me the phone. 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:59.840 I'm like, Ryan's Ryan, and I was I wasn't expecting that, 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:03.760 and oh no, like drop it on me, and I 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:06.839 met I've met all of you guys in an American 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:10.600 accent because I was trying to maintain it. So I 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:12.960 I've got to speak to this guy that I'm playing 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:16.320 as a brit pretending to be American, like I'm waiting 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:19.400 for him to for the holes to start showing. And 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:22.400 I was really flustered. And he got say Sam Hayd 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:23.800 And I said, I'm I'm a good brand. How are 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:25.680 you doing? And he says, I'm sitting in jail. How 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:28.919 do you think I'm doing? And it was I didn't 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:33.080 know how to respond to that, you know, his perception 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:37.120 of himself versus I think his brothers and sister's perception 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:40.440 of him too. Um, because I spoke to Emory in 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:42.960 India and like, you know, I what did Dylan and 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:45.280 Lee Grace say to you? And tried to see if 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:49.200 the story is matched. Um, and Ryan had said to 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:52.359 me in a matter of words that you know, he 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:56.520 felt he was the brains of the operation. And to me, 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:59.840 from what I had pieced together, it seems like Dylan 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:04.080 was and Ryan to me, Ryan really really looked up 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:08.360 to so India. You know, we talked about I don't 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:10.360 want to call the skill. It's not a skill obviously, 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:12.240 but kind of in that category of certain things you 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:15.040 have to take on something that has no skills. Yeah, 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:19.720 I went very talented there. But there is you know, 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:22.719 it's public record and also something that Lee Grace has 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:26.839 openly shared both in her interviews and as most of 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:30.040 us spoken to her about her drug use, and there 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:32.600 is drug use in the film. That character has her 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:35.400 own relationship to drugs. Shall we say, what does that 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:37.920 mean to you as an actor? Did that come into 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:40.760 play with any of your sort of being cognizant of 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:44.960 the reality of etcetera. That was a big, big part 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:47.880 of every aspect of how I played her because she 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:50.760 is she you know, even on the phone, she is 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:53.320 she is very much an addict, like she has that 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:57.800 kind of personality and that really does bleed into every 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:01.599 every aspect of someone's life. And you know, I think 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:04.920 it all without getting too introspective and boring, it all 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:07.880 does kind of go back to her childhood and feeling 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:11.400 deprived of what she she needs. That extra kick there 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:15.800 was definitely a kind of a frenetic kind of place 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:17.920 that she was in where it was never enough. That's 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:21.480 kind of what what I picked up on. And that 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:24.000 was something that I didn't get until I spoke to 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:27.880 her on the phone, that constant unrest that she always has, 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:31.080 like she can't relax, she's incapable of relaxing, even when 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:33.800 she thinks she is. I'm not glorifying it or anything, 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:37.560 but I found it a very very helpful hook in 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:41.320 playing her. It's a direct line to where she's damaged. 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:44.240 Very well. Put Yeah, there was, wasn't There's always this 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:48.080 underlying sadness and even in real life too, I mean, yeah, 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:50.440 that was the main thing I got from her. Like 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:52.520 she'd be on a high and too'd be talking and 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:55.560 stuff and she and you know, and so excited about something. 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:57.520 She was like, yeah, man, it was it was fucking great. 0:07:57.680 --> 0:07:59.640 No, no no, no, and so and suddenly there'd be a 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:04.000 quite a silence with her, but she just go and 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:09.040 it was like those silences really spoke volumes to what 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:10.640 was going on with her as a human being, in 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:14.840 the type of person she had become become. That's so great, 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:17.880 Thank you very well. Put so Embery from an audience 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:21.320 perspective at the docrites as being these anti heroes. You know, 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:23.560 how do you view them? Do you view them as 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:26.400 anti heroes? You view Dylan is that you know, he's 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:29.200 a hero, his story, you know what I mean, he's 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:33.000 a rebel, which I guess in from society's terms to 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:36.040 make him an anti hero. I found him, you know, 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:38.000 just it's just I don't know if this answer is 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:42.120 the question, but I know that when I was creating Dylan, 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:46.120 I was very aware that this for me, a lot 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:50.640 of the journey was him wanting to be his brother 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:54.760 and sister's hero and saving them from trauma, as India 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:57.920 says that it already happened, that he couldn't have saved 0:08:57.920 --> 0:08:59.880 them from that he wasn't in the position to save 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:06.000 them from when they were kids, and him recognizing that 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:09.360 that he couldn't be their hero and that it wasn't 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:13.959 necessarily his responsibility and trying to find an acceptance of 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:17.840 that that. I saw that as kind of a whatever 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:21.000 you call it arc or whatever. The character in a 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:23.920 lot of ways for his journey is is him breaking, 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:27.040 is this facade of him being able to be this 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:30.560 hero breaking, cracking and breaking down, you know, in the 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:34.280 failure of his plan for for him, like achieving the 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:38.480 goal of getting out of the bank probberty and all 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:40.960 that and getting his his family to safety. You know, 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:45.040 was sort of a breakdown on this facade of himself 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:47.480 as this hero. I think ever he hit the nile 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:52.800 on the head. I think really is perspective, isn't it. Yeah, 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:56.320 I really think that's it. It's it's perspective in the 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:59.320 sense that they are the heroes of their own story 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:03.120 and they feel that they have strong enough motive too 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:07.680 to take such a big step and make the decision 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:11.600 that they made too, you know, go on the run. 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:14.320 I think it seems sorrh it, doesn't it to do 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:17.560 things for your family, Like Emery said, Dylan was doing 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:19.600 it for Lee, Grace and Ryan, and I think Ryan 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:25.079 was doing it for for his kid too. My perspective 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:32.120 of it is that I think their hands were forced 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:39.680 slightly considering their situation. If you're gonna there's a there's 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:41.480 a risk and there's a reward, you know, and the 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:43.400 reward would have been that they would have made it, 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:47.640 and the risk is that they didn't and they didn't. Yeah, 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:51.480 you know, so India any take without for you. Also, 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:56.120 in REGARDSS toly Grace, I think, you know, the entire 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:59.679 situation kind of which sounds just kind of brought up 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:02.400 a good point is that you know, Dylan was doing 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:04.600 it for his siblings, Ryan, he was doing it for 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:07.720 you know, his you know, his lady and his baby. 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:11.960 And I think that that was a big part of 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:15.600 the emptiness that I mentioned is Lee Grace didn't feel 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:18.560 like she really had anything. There wasn't really like a 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:21.360 singular thing that she was living for at that point 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:24.760 other than you know, her drugs and you know, to 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:27.280 just keep keep going, keep moving forward and having fun. 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:32.560 At times, she didn't have an emotional, you know, thing 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:36.000 to cling onto. So there's always a lost aspect with her. 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:38.480 And so I think she went throughout this, throughout this 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:41.760 entire thing, really with no solid trajectory. There was no 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:44.480 solidity to what she was doing. She was very much 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:48.439 just loved her brothers and was just like, fine, fuck it, 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:51.040 we'll do it. I don't view it as good or bad. 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:55.560 I think they were three human beings that were born 0:11:55.640 --> 0:12:00.880 into a very very unfortunate set of circumstances. Is there 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:03.680 anything that you can recollect about your character that really 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:07.000 helped you understand them or to be able to play them. 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:11.280 I grew up around that kind of environment, more like 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:14.520 blue collar, and there are certain things that I feel 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:20.960 do translate across between the two countries, you know. And yeah, 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:24.800 little things like the smoking, and it changes the way 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:28.200 you walk and save there's shots of us driving. There's 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:30.400 just some shots of us driving in the car, like 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:34.280 you can be driving or you can be driving and smoking. 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:37.559 And it, to me, does it changes things a little 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:40.960 bit because you tend to smoke when your board sometimes 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:45.040 or to pass the time, and you know, I'm time 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:47.880 was running out for them. I don't know what I'm 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:51.120 trying to say here, but you know what makes sense 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:55.440 for me. I didn't have smoking as a as a thing, 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:59.400 but like as a physical thing to use. I did 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:03.439 pick up the phone calls though that she those silences 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:07.680 that I mentioned, I just kind of you know, when 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:10.400 you when you bring in the drugs, um, because she 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:14.800 loved pills. That was her big thing. And um, as 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:17.880 far as the behavioral thing, I imagined that her eyes 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:20.760 would always be kind of darting because she's always looking 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:23.880 for something, so like there's always something that she doesn't have. 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:28.440 And so whether it's pills or a person or you 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:32.079 know that there's always something that she's just like outwardly 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:39.520 looking for. She's it's that unrest. So, yeah, Dylan explained 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:44.200 his life to me in prison sentences and pro violations 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:48.880 and arrests, you know, like it was like his I 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:51.000 think he's the first thing he say, he was like, well, 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:54.240 the first time I got picked up, you know. And 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:58.360 and so he didn't explain his life to me in 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:00.840 the way that you know, what is child was like 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:03.240 this or that he explained it to me in like 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:05.840 prison sentences and things like that. And I know that 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:08.960 for me, he gave me this awareness that there was 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:12.320 these two worlds going on for him. There was this 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:15.640 outside world and there was the inside world, where there 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:18.640 was the world on parole and the world off parole. 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:21.960 And I didn't know that world, you know, And and 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:24.840 I remember being very aware of that. But it didn't 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:28.000 start until his first arrest. There is first parole violation. 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:34.640 We're going to take a quick break here. We'll be 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:45.960 back in a moment. Ryan's character is really seems to 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:48.480 be motivated by the love of his son. He was 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:50.520 at the time. This was all happening in their flight. 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:53.600 You know, his girlfriend at the time, Amber, who he 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:56.360 called his wife, and was heavily pregnant, and there was that. 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:58.960 Did the real Ryan as I call him, did he 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:01.120 mention his son? That all? Was that every part of 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:03.520 your conversations? And also do you ever mention anything about 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:06.480 his own upbringing? Again, it was like quite a long 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:10.040 time ago now, so I I don't know how much 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:13.320 I actually remembering or how much I and potentially not 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:17.840 making up. But you know that happens, he said. I 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:19.960 got the impression from him that him and leg Grace 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:22.720 were especially close. I don't know if it's that was 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:25.720 a maternal thing he felt. I got the impression it 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:28.480 was maybe a kind of a maternal thing, and about 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:34.280 is some I do remember him saying something that really 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:36.840 struck me, but I can't remember how we said it, 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:38.480 But it was the way in which he said it 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:42.480 that was so effective. It was something It was words 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:46.720 to the effect of, I I feel so guilty that 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:51.240 I left my kid without a dad, you know, like 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:54.560 he uh, the main thing I could really feel to 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:57.800 regret that that he wasn't there to raise his kid. 0:15:58.040 --> 0:15:59.320 I don't know how he said it, to me, but 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:01.080 I remember that being in the message and I found 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:05.480 out really upsetting. You know, Oh, absolutely, well, that's that's again, 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:08.240 that's very touching and pactful. You've got the chaos of 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:13.200 the story throughout the movie, and then the chaos at 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:16.480 the end with the with like a shootout essentially between 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:20.360 the cops. He will be over their heads. The whole 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:24.360 thing has been with little bits of rest by chaos, 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:29.360 And I don't know personally if that's how it had 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:31.680 played out in real life, how cognizant he would have 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:34.600 been of actually getting gone down, because you think of 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:37.840 all the other really risky stuff that they've done along 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:40.440 the way. It's like in for we say in England, 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:42.080 like him for a penny, in for a pound, like 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:46.400 you've you've gotten this far and somehow you are still 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:48.920 being I think that his legs carried him. I don't 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:50.680 think he had any saying a matter. So I've got 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:54.920 to get back, you know, very very well, put India, 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:58.120 Can you expand on anything else that really spoke to 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:00.520 you about once you did connect with her in real life? 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:03.640 You know, again, I hate to sound like a broken record, 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:07.280 but it really was just her. Her personality was such 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:09.560 a strong one. I mean, she's such a spitfire. She 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:11.880 just came through the phone and immediately I just loved her, 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:14.879 Like it was just like I'm like, gosh, she's a blast. 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:18.199 There's an avoidant quality to her that I found was 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:20.560 very interesting where she'll just and I think a lot 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:24.120 of people who have experienced trauma have this where they'll 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:26.600 just say it like very matter of fact ly, you 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:29.359 know what's happened to them and did details that have 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:33.840 happened in their lives, and they're very kind of heavy 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:36.640 horrowing things. And like she would say something to me 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:40.840 and like a really personal thing and I'd be like, wait, wait, 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:42.720 wait what was that? What was that? And she she said, 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:45.240 oh yeah and so and then she just like me 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:47.920 say it again, and I was like okay, and inside 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:50.919 and like that's a really upsetting thing, Like that's a 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:53.680 really I don't really want to say it just out 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:56.320 of respect to her, but just little things like that 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:59.720 where it was more her demeanor towards these hardships that 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.639 happened to her and how she handled it, and she 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:07.280 was very kind of resilient in her way. So that's great. Um, 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:10.159 I'm gonna embarrass you, Sam, please forgive me as I recall. 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:13.000 So here's the context and step. So, Ryan in particular 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:16.160 is known to be and it's someone on public record 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:18.840 quite the actual driver, like a very good driver, and 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:20.720 was the driver for this. I think you know where 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:23.639 I'm going with this. Can you expand on that a bit, um, 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:26.320 what that was to you and what was unique about 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:28.879 that for you in particular? Well, I found out that 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:31.119 I was I was going to get to do the movie, 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:33.600 and I was really excited. And then a few days 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:36.240 later you and one of the producer's FaceTime and they're like, 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:39.560 so you can drive right, and I'm like, long, oh, 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:44.200 Ryan's the gataway driver. Oh. But luckily once we got 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:48.000 to the South, our stunt coordinator took me out in 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:51.360 a closed parking lot and gave me the basics, gave 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:54.080 me to run down on how to drive, and I 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:58.720 think we got through it okay, you know, um, And 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:02.199 what I don't know what I really appreciated is, uh, 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:05.560 the Emory and India were both extremely patient with me. 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:08.520 I've got these two actors in the car like pressure 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:11.679 on man, and I think Emory maybe had similar experiences 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:13.320 to me in the past and memory you had some 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:16.880 sort of mantra. There was something happened when we were 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:21.080 driving and I, as Dylan, just said something like slow 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:26.600 and steady or common rely and it I know what 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:30.119 Sam's talking about, because like, you booked this job and 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:32.159 you're like excited and you're ready to go, and you 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:36.840 don't even read that stuff like Ryan's gotten or whatever. Yeah, 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:39.560 where's my dialogue? Where's where? Where do I get to 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:41.560 say stuff? And then all of a sudden you're there 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:44.200 and you're like, oh fuck, I have to like do this. 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:48.520 So I knew exactly what he was going through and 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:50.920 he was great. Man. He killed it with with all 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:55.360 this stuff, especially with the driving. Yeah. Wait so so 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:58.520 so just to say weren't hit anything, I've hit things 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:03.000 like not like cars and like and you know I've 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:07.199 done it. You know that's great anything. Let me just 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:10.040 add let me just add to that. There was one 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:14.399 day when we were filming in there in the used 0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:18.199 car lot and I was supposed to reverse into the 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:21.920 parking spot, but the car wasn't driving, and the cameras 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:24.880 right in front of me and stepped on the accelerator. 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:29.280 It's gone forward a break. It's so good, it's so good. 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:33.280 So that's just I love hearing this stuff. It's great. 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:35.119 We did ask you that. It was like, hey, you know, 0:20:35.520 --> 0:20:37.440 obviously Sam's probably used to driving on the other side 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:38.919 the road. We're just gonna make sure it's comfortable. And 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:41.200 then yes, we did find out that you want a 0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:43.320 driver like you didn't drive, so you had to pick 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:45.840 up that skill with us, and you did a wonderful 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:48.800 job with it. Like, I've never played a real person 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:51.520 that hadn't passed. I played a real person but he 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:54.480 died in like, so it's really strange to play a 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:56.200 real person that was still alive and is going to 0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:58.679 have an opinion on this, you know, and it's his 0:20:58.720 --> 0:21:00.439 life and it's going to people are to say this 0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:03.000 and form their own opinions. There's a lot of pressure, 0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:07.280 and I think all of it, like working with Emory 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:10.120 in India and and trying to stay in the accent 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:13.960 and trying to do right by Ryan, the pressure was 0:21:14.040 --> 0:21:18.080 so on that, yeah, you you carry that in inevitably, 0:21:18.359 --> 0:21:20.440 But for me, like, I really felt like it kept 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:22.240 me sharp because I think it could have been a 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:24.960 hindrance where you just get too overwhelmed and you start 0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:28.480 and you know, falling apart, but I found it to 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:31.720 be really good. I mean, it's one of my favorite 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:36.000 experiences I've ever had them in. It was so great. 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:39.159 So Emory, let me kick this over to you. You know, 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:42.240 did a rig and had you tied and tethered into 0:21:42.320 --> 0:21:44.520 the car so you could really lean out and did 0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:46.840 that stunt and we did it in a practical sense 0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:50.840 of using you and you were wonderful. It looks amazing. Again, 0:21:50.840 --> 0:21:52.760 did that have an imprint or impressure on you? I 0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:55.399 think even still now, that was like one of the 0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:59.440 most extensive sort of stunt things that I've ever done. 0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:01.640 You know, there were of times we didn't free driving 0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:05.359 too and like, yeah, sure that I'm tied into something 0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:07.680 in the car, but I was hanging out of a car, 0:22:07.920 --> 0:22:09.919 you know what I mean. Just I was like thinking 0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:12.200 about the movie and I was like, this is gonna 0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:14.320