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Speaker 1: Welcome to America's now, Mr garbutsch Off. Tear down this wall,

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Speaker 1: either with us or you were with the terrorists. If

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Speaker 1: If you are satisfied with Trump is not the president

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Speaker 1: we will make America great again. We'll never sharender. It's

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Speaker 1: what you've been waiting for all day. Buck Sexton, with

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Speaker 1: eight four four nine hundred buck. That's eight four four

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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton. FBI director James Comy is fired. He is

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Speaker 1: out at the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Got breaking news

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Speaker 1: for you here, my friends. This just hitting the wires

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Speaker 1: um minutes ago before I came on air here or

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Speaker 1: Comey is out? Oh, this is just going to set

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Speaker 1: the media a light with rage, with conspiracy theories, with

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Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff. Buck sex in here with you

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Speaker 1: all now, eight four four nine to eight to five,

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Speaker 1: eight four four nine hundred Buck. What do you think

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Speaker 1: about Comey out? I I'm not so well. The timing

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Speaker 1: the FBI director is a very important position in the

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Speaker 1: that this happens right after the testimony by Sally former

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Speaker 1: the questions that were asked. Here we have, Hey, a

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Speaker 1: And it just happened, It just got announced. So oh

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Speaker 1: Trump's letter, You're gonna you're gonna want to hear this.

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Speaker 1: This was not your This was not your standard. So

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Speaker 1: and so has been a fantastic public servant, and we

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Speaker 1: thank him for his selflessness and his putting himself on

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Speaker 1: the line for his country and his post as director

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Speaker 1: of whatever, and you know, all the best. But we

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Speaker 1: got to move in a new direction. See you later.

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Speaker 1: This that that's usually what you get in this kind

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Speaker 1: James Comey. Dear Director Comy, I have received the attached

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Speaker 1: letters from the Attorney General and Deputy Attorney General of

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Speaker 1: and you are here by terminated and removed from office,

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Speaker 1: effective immediately. While I greatly appreciate you informing me on

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Speaker 1: your future endeavors, Signed Donald J. Trump. Wow, Comey wasn't

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Speaker 1: even asked to resign. Comey got a letter of termination.

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Speaker 1: for for Democrats, and one for the not powerful. And

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Speaker 1: for Republicans, um, there are different standards at play. I

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Speaker 1: am one who will always point out and I still

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Speaker 1: don't see why this there weren't there weren't more people

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Speaker 1: connecting these thoughts. You look at the way the Democrats

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Speaker 1: view the law, and they they use it as a weapon.

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Speaker 1: The law is a tool. It is an instrument. It

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Speaker 1: is not an ideal, It is not a principle. It

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Speaker 1: is not uh something that serves the purpose of justice.

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Speaker 1: It serves the purpose of the moment of the Democratic

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Speaker 1: party and of power. I could walk through any number

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Speaker 1: of cases where you see this. I mean high level

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Speaker 1: national cases where where there's a politicized, a politically charged case,

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Speaker 1: and when a Democrat issue is at stake. You you

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Speaker 1: see the way that it goes. Republicans will sit back

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Speaker 1: and say, well, it would be nice for us if

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Speaker 1: we won this one or if this happened, But that's

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Speaker 1: not what the law says. Democrats don't care. If the

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Speaker 1: law says it, great, then the law is the law

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Speaker 1: of the law doesn't say it, well, then we'll find

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Speaker 1: a way to pretend the law says it. That's how

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Speaker 1: they play the game. And they also use prosecutors offices

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Speaker 1: as weapons. They go after people for political reasons. And

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Speaker 1: I know the Tea Party with the I R S.

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Speaker 1: Now that wasn't a criminal prosecutorial misconduct per se, but

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Speaker 1: it certainly was government action of political targeting, weaponization of

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Speaker 1: a major, major federal agency, the scariest federal agency to

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Speaker 1: most people. I mean, the FBI can ruin your life

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Speaker 1: the fastest, but the I R. S is probably number

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Speaker 1: two on the list and much more likely to ruin

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Speaker 1: your life the FBI. But look at the In some

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Speaker 1: cases quickly um abandoned, but at least initially pursued prosecutions

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Speaker 1: of prominent Republican politicians. They went after Chris Christie on

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Speaker 1: Bridge Gate and made it seem like he was so

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Speaker 1: guilty there they got nothing. Chris Christie was a governor

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Speaker 1: who was running for who would be running for the

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Speaker 1: Republican UH nomination for president United States. They went after

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Speaker 1: Scott Walker with the John Doe investigations in Wisconsin, to

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Speaker 1: no avail. They didn't get Walker on anything, but they

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Speaker 1: were trying really hard. They went after um Rick Perry

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Speaker 1: in Texas. Some prosecutor there was kind of trying to

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Speaker 1: go after him for something. I mean they were it

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Speaker 1: was nonsense, right. They went after Governor Bob McDonald in Virginia. Uh,

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Speaker 1: in order two. Well, the the state and brainy charges,

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Speaker 1: and then the federal government came in and broad charges

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Speaker 1: against McDonald. They were going to send him prison for

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Speaker 1: like eleven years, and his wife for accepting if she's

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Speaker 1: not even a public official, but she's getting caught up

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Speaker 1: in a public corruption trial. And I had to go

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Speaker 1: up to the Supreme Court and uh, this is it

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Speaker 1: was an abomination what they did there. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: no public official act taken on behalf of donors from mcdonald'll.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it didn't look sleazy, but if looking

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Speaker 1: sleazy sends you to prison, a lot of us are

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Speaker 1: going to be in trouble. But these are all Republicans.

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Speaker 1: Where's the equivalent. Where is the senior Democrat who has

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Speaker 1: the Department of Justice, the FBI on his or her

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Speaker 1: back going after him and nothing happens and it turns

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Speaker 1: out that it was all just for show, or it

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Speaker 1: was chasing it was chasing ghosts. There was nothing there.

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Speaker 1: Can you think of one? I just rattled off the

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Speaker 1: top of my head. A number of Republicans where no, no,

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Speaker 1: charges brought except for McDonald, but they had to be overturned.

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Speaker 1: No charges brought against you, peel oh BLAGOIV. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: well, well well boy, just trying to sell a Senate seat

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Speaker 1: on tape, right, I mean, you know that's actual criminal behavior,

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Speaker 1: So don't don't. We can't bring up Democrats that have

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Speaker 1: really broken the lane. Democratic gets found with eighty thou

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Speaker 1: dollars in cash in his freezer, he's like a local

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Speaker 1: congressman or legislative assembly member or something, and people's bribery money.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's criminal activity. I'm talking about prosecutions

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Speaker 1: of prominent Democrats that go nowhere. I'm not familiar with

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Speaker 1: any Democrats view the law as a weapon. But the

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Speaker 1: special prosecutor they went after they were trying to go

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Speaker 1: after Cheney and the Bush administration totally trumped up stuff.

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Speaker 1: But that's just how they play the game. That's how

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Speaker 1: they do things. And this is why we just accept

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Speaker 1: that you have a new Okay, the new Attorney General

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Speaker 1: for a new set of priorities, new u S attorneys

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Speaker 1: for enacting enacting those justice priorities. FBI director usually is

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Speaker 1: well yet Hoover, who is what the director for a

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Speaker 1: very long time. Um, I like, I think Hoover was

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Speaker 1: the director for over forty years. Um, FBI, I gotta,

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Speaker 1: I gotta know this right now. I can't get this

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Speaker 1: wrong because I'm I'm yeah for a long time. So

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Speaker 1: Hoover was the longest serving FBI director. Um yeah. And

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Speaker 1: FBI directors tend to be what I'm trying to get

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Speaker 1: out here, His FBI directors tend to be holdovers, or

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Speaker 1: at least possible hold holdovers. And uh, now we see

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Speaker 1: that even that's not necessarily the case, because the law

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Speaker 1: has been weaponized in this country, and the Justice Department

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Speaker 1: is a reflection now not just of enforcement priorities that

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Speaker 1: one administration or they may have, but it is used

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Speaker 1: as a kind of praetorian guard. Praetorian guard a reference

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Speaker 1: to the elite, elite soldiers assigned to protect the Roman

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Speaker 1: emperor's right. So uh and and praetorianism has become a

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Speaker 1: a noun unto itself. Um, but I digress. This is

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Speaker 1: a grotesque abuse of power by the president of the

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Speaker 1: United States. That's Jeffrey Tube In the CNN's senior legal analyst. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's not an abusive power. It's in fact a power

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Speaker 1: that the president has. So why he's he can fire that,

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Speaker 1: he can fire me whatever he wants. I don't. They're

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Speaker 1: gonna say, there's an active FBI investigation ongoing. Okay, Well, Uh,

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Speaker 1: that investigation might be going on for quite a long time.

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Speaker 1: Are we really to believe that the rest of the

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Speaker 1: FBI doesn't have the the what the the ability to

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Speaker 1: go forward with uh with with the rest of the

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Speaker 1: investigation as it sees fit. You have to have the

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Speaker 1: same person at the top. Why, I'm not sure I

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Speaker 1: buy that. And clearly there could be Uh, there can

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Speaker 1: be investigations that stretch on for years. So that means

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Speaker 1: you can't get rid of the FBI director anyway. By

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Speaker 1: that logic. Also, are you allowed to get a new

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Speaker 1: attorney general or not? No, you gotta keep you gotta

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Speaker 1: keep the old administration's attorney general if there's an ongoing investigation. Um. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: you've got two sets of Jeffrey Tuban that you've got here. Uh. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Senator Durban Comby's termination raises the critical question as to

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Speaker 1: whether the FBI investigation of Russian interference will continue. You've

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Speaker 1: got Ben Rhodes, Obama's former UH chief propagandist for the

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Speaker 1: White House. This cross is a dramatic new threshold for

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Speaker 1: the US, and without any congressional oversight for GOP Trump

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Speaker 1: much freer to a road democratic norms. Oh yes, the

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Speaker 1: long dark We're back to the long dark night of fascism.

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Speaker 1: Everybody get ready for it. Um, here we go. We've

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Speaker 1: got other people. I'm trying to see with some of

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Speaker 1: the other Here's a reporter for NBC former senior His

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Speaker 1: former senior FBI official tells me, well, was it a

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Speaker 1: former Democrat FBI director? I believe the intent here is

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Speaker 1: to replace him with someone who will close the Russia probe. Um.

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Speaker 1: So this is just I asked a former This is

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Speaker 1: what this guy saying here. You know, I asked a

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Speaker 1: former FBI guy and he shared his opinion with me.

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Speaker 1: This is meaningless, but this now passes for reporting. MSNBC

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Speaker 1: host Chris Hayes I I could be totally wrong, but

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Speaker 1: the politics of this seemed terrible for the White House,

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Speaker 1: at least at first. Blush not clear to me whether

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Speaker 1: that's true or not. I think that's that's at least

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Speaker 1: somewhat fair minded analysis from a leftist and that this

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Speaker 1: might look bad but I think my point about how

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Speaker 1: Trump doesn't care, how much worse is it gonna look

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Speaker 1: what the media is gonna really hate him now he

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Speaker 1: has full authority to do this. Um. Although I mentioned

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Speaker 1: before Hoover and I said over forty years I was

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Speaker 1: just doing on the top of my head, and I

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Speaker 1: want to give he was FBI director, Jager. Hoover was

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Speaker 1: FBI director for forty eight years. That is a long time.

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Speaker 1: That's uh, that's a guy who's seeing some stuff. I

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Speaker 1: think as has been through some stuff forty eight years

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Speaker 1: as FBI director. UM. But anyway, and praetorian Ism, I

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Speaker 1: mentioned also the term from the Praetorian guard pray tour

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Speaker 1: was a an official position, a very very senior position

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Speaker 1: in the Roman and ancient room in the Roman government.

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Speaker 1: And so praetorian ism is well, the praetorian guard guarded

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Speaker 1: the praetorial guard of the emperor. And then praetorian is

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Speaker 1: m is excessive or abusive political influence of the armed

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Speaker 1: forces in a country, according to the Google here, So

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Speaker 1: that's something that we should always be concerned about. Praetorian

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Speaker 1: is um is really actually a fancy way over Ring two.

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Speaker 1: The deep state, or at least it's a a version

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Speaker 1: of the deep state, when the military and country has

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Speaker 1: too much power and can depose elected officials for example. Um,

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Speaker 1: but yes, Comey's been tossed. This just happened, breaking news,

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Speaker 1: and last hour or so we've been on air, and um,

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Speaker 1: they're going to say that the FBI investigate. I I'm

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Speaker 1: stepping back here for a second. I believe it is

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Speaker 1: now safer than ever to say that no matter what

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Speaker 1: comes from the investigation that is ongoing into Russia and

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Speaker 1: Trump in the election, Commey's firing will give the conspiracy

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Speaker 1: obsessed left enough from to run for the foreseeable future.

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Speaker 1: This is now, This is very obviously going to fall

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Speaker 1: down as a or fall into a knee little narrative

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Speaker 1: on the left, which is that here you have the

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Speaker 1: president interfering in an active investigation. You know, I had

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Speaker 1: people people giving me our time yesterday on Twitter because

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Speaker 1: I said that Trump should just declassify some of what's

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Speaker 1: that issue in the hearings so we can see it

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Speaker 1: and finally judge for ourselves whether there was any collusion,

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Speaker 1: or whether Flynn said anything bad or you know where,

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Speaker 1: whether Flynn was intercepted or not, you know that they

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Speaker 1: should declassify these things so we can officially talk about

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Speaker 1: what's going on here. Um And people said, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: there's an active investigation going in and the investigation maybe

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Speaker 1: open for who knows it's it's an open ended investigation.

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Speaker 1: But now that Comy is gone there, they're never going

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Speaker 1: to stop with this thing. So we'll have to strike

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Speaker 1: a balance here in the Freedom Hunt between talking about

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Speaker 1: the latest in their efforts to smear the president so

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Speaker 1: that we can push back on the falsehoods and also

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Speaker 1: not getting bogged down and allow them to dictate what

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Speaker 1: we talk about. But we're gonna get an immigration a

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Speaker 1: fascinating piece about immigrants who don't like a legal immigration

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Speaker 1: Buck sextend with America. Now the Freedom Hut is fired

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Speaker 1: up as Team Buck assembles shoulder to shoulder, shields high

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Speaker 1: call in eight four four nine hundred Buck. That's eight

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Speaker 1: four four nine hundred two eight to five fascinating peace

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Speaker 1: team in of all places. Sometimes they do uh accidental journalism.

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Speaker 1: The New York Times pieces sanctuary bills in Maryland faced

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Speaker 1: a surprise foe legal immigrants. Wait wait a second, you

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Speaker 1: mean and this is before we even dive into the

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Speaker 1: substance of this piece. You mean to tell me that

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Speaker 1: individuals who have gone through a legal process, including making

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Speaker 1: many sacrifices inter with their time, paying money off into

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Speaker 1: immigration attorneys, going through and dealing with the many hoops

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Speaker 1: and hurdles put in place as the immigration system currently exists. Uh,

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Speaker 1: they've dealt with all of that. They've become either permanent

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Speaker 1: residents or US citizens the legal way. You mean to

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Speaker 1: tell me that they, at least some of them, resent

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Speaker 1: that there are others who are treated by at least

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Speaker 1: the Democrats, And if the media and Democrats have their way,

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Speaker 1: we were treated exactly the same way. Who just came

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Speaker 1: to the country illegally. Why is that even in the

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Speaker 1: least bit surprising? What? Why would that give anybody a shock?

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Speaker 1: If I had gone through like I was born here,

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Speaker 1: was born in New York City, so I was one

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Speaker 1: of the very fortunate few when you look at the

643
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Speaker 1: long scope of history, and you know, I'm assuming a

644
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Speaker 1: vast majority of you listening also fall into this very

645
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Speaker 1: fortunate category of people who just having to be born

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Speaker 1: in the United States. Not all of you. I'm sure

647
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: they're immigrants listening as well. And God bless and thank

648
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: you for giving me your time and being with me

649
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: in the freedom on here. But we are very lucky,

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Speaker 1: those of us who are born in this country and

651
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Speaker 1: are just citizens. As a matter of our birth and

652
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Speaker 1: our families, we are very lucky. Historically speaking. What are

653
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Speaker 1: what are the chances you know, we we could have

654
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Speaker 1: been born in some village, you know, right before it

655
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Speaker 1: was ravaged by the plague in medieval Europe or something,

656
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, or you know, or anywhere.

657
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it could have been born in a

658
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Speaker 1: really rough situation. Being born in America, you're already if

659
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Speaker 1: you look at it from the full scope of history,

660
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Speaker 1: you're beating the odds by a lot. It's it's an

661
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: amazing thing. It's really almost, uh a miracle just to

662
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Speaker 1: be an American. I know, I'm talking about the full

663
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: sweep of history here, you know, back to prehistory and

664
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Speaker 1: before there was you know, any any written records of anything,

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00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 1: and before civilization was really a thing that you could

666
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Speaker 1: point to. But if you look at the numbers over time, um,

667
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: it is a very very lucky thing. And look, it's

668
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: it's lucky even just looking at dealing with the seven

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Speaker 1: billion or so people on the earth today, that you're

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Speaker 1: one of the three million born in America, it's an

671
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: amazing thing. But for those who choose to become American,

672
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Speaker 1: there is a process they go through, and those who

673
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: do it legally have and I've talked to many of

674
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: them about this, and I've read accounts of this, and

675
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: this is well understood, and it's also into it right

676
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: we understand how this would come to be that those

677
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 1: who fight for citizenship in this country, or fight for naturalization,

678
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 1: fight to be legal immigrants here, have a particular appreciation

679
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: for it. They don't take it for granted because it

680
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 1: wasn't luck for them. I was lucky to be an American,

681
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 1: and I know that, and it's not a in any

682
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: way a diminishing um attribute. I think for those of us, uh,

683
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: those of us who are willing to come out and

684
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: just say that we were lucky by being born in

685
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Speaker 1: this country and we try to be the best citizens

686
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Speaker 1: that we can be and and appreciate it. But it

687
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: is sometimes you just get the right number, and if

688
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: you're born here, you get the right number. So with

689
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Speaker 1: the immigration debate right now, you get the sense from

690
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Speaker 1: the media that it's all the same, right, illegal, legal,

691
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: who cares well? Some legal immigrants in response to a

692
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Speaker 1: county in Maryland becoming a sanctuary city, some legal immigrants

693
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: or annoyed by this, And you could tell by the

694
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Speaker 1: way the New York Times running, But what do you

695
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: mean your illegal immigrant brothers and sisters are so shocked

696
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Speaker 1: that you, the legal immigrant, would be annoyed that they're

697
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: they're treated, in fact, with even more deference by the

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Speaker 1: media because they're a a persecuted class, right, immigrants the

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Speaker 1: media likes. But you know, you don't hear that much

700
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Speaker 1: about everything. In fact, what the media does is conflate

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00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 1: the category or the categorization of all immigrants so that

702
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: legal and illegal are the same thing. That it's undocumented,

703
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: but you're just an immigrant. And I'll get into some

704
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: more of those details here in a second. Here, here's

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Speaker 1: what the Times piece I mean this was. It's a

706
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: great piece and we will put it up on buck

707
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Speaker 1: Sexton dot com so you can you can read it there.

708
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Speaker 1: But it is it is a great piece because of

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Speaker 1: the implications right the way the Times rights just like,

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Speaker 1: oh what do you what do you mean that illegal

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Speaker 1: immigrants and legal immigrants? Aren't you totally in agreement. No,

712
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: in fact, Okay, let me get into what it says

713
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: in here, no legal immigrants are Like, what's going on here? Okay?

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Speaker 1: When lawmakers in Howard County, Maryland, a stretch of suburbia

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Speaker 1: between Washington and Baltimore, declared their intention to make the

716
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Speaker 1: county a sanctuary for people living in the country illegally, noticed,

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00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: by the way, it's not that the people are illegal,

718
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Speaker 1: it's that they're living in the country is illegal because

719
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: that can just be changed. Right. No longer are you

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Speaker 1: a criminal if you do something that violates the law.

721
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Speaker 1: Now you're a person who has violated a law, so

722
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Speaker 1: that you're a person who has committed a crime, but

723
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Speaker 1: you are not a criminal. Right that This is a

724
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: a very intentional separation in the terminology that is meant

725
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: to convey that all we have to do is make

726
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 1: them legal and then they're legal, right, because it's not

727
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: about or sorry all if you change the law and

728
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,720
Speaker 1: then they're legal. It's not about the person having taken

729
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 1: a wilful act that is in violation law. But okay,

730
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: here we go, uh, declare their intention to make the

731
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Speaker 1: county a sanctuary for people living in the country illegally.

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Speaker 1: J d Ma thought back to how hard he had

733
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Speaker 1: worked studying English as a boy in Shanghai. Stanley Salazar,

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Speaker 1: a native of Al Savador, worried that the violent crime

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Speaker 1: already plaguing Maryland suburbs attributed to immigrant gangs would eventually

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Speaker 1: touch his own daughters. Hungling Zoo, who had been a

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Speaker 1: student in Beijing during the tiena Men Square uprising, feared

738
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Speaker 1: an influx of undocumented immigrants and their children would cripple

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Speaker 1: the public schools. At first blush, making Howard County a

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Speaker 1: sanctuary for undocumented immigrants had seemed a natural move. The

741
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Speaker 1: county has twice as many Democrats as Republicans and a

742
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Speaker 1: highly educated population full of scientists and engineers. One in

743
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Speaker 1: five presence was born abroad. But the bill met stout

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Speaker 1: opposition from an unlikely source, some of those very same

745
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: foreign born residents. And quote, um, why is that an

746
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: unlikely source? For? First of all, I know that the

747
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: way the Times writes about this, they are so used

748
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Speaker 1: to just crying racism whenever somebody brings up any of

749
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Speaker 1: the following concerns, will illegals be crowding the already overcrowded

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Speaker 1: school system? In my district or in my county. Well,

751
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: that's racist. You can't ask that. Well, if if we're

752
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: talking about a a non white immigrant in the first place,

753
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: raising the concern calling them racist doesn't seem like a

754
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: particularly effective tactic, right, And calling an Asian American immigrant

755
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: racist because the immigrant is concerned about illegals in the schools,

756
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Speaker 1: that's and then the same as a as true of

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00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: crime as well. Oh, you're not allowed be concerned about

758
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: illegal immigrant and the illegommants and the impact on on crime.

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00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 1: That's racist. Uh okay, Well, what about when the person

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Speaker 1: who's concerned is also is also a not born in

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00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 1: this country and is non white? Is it still racist?

762
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: It gets to be a harder, a harder accusation to

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00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: use as such an effective political tool. And that's why

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Speaker 1: the time's like, well, hold on a second here, crime

765
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: in neighborhoods, overcrowding in public schools, overcrowding in emergency rooms. Uh,

766
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Speaker 1: effect on the culture of the school itself, and the

767
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: you know, the the resources that we put into English

768
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Speaker 1: as a second language, and all of these different concerns.

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Speaker 1: The way the Democrats usually get around addressing them is

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Speaker 1: just to say that those concerns are either illegitimate or racist.

771
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: Now they can only say they're illegitimate. But you'd to ask, well,

772
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Speaker 1: what does the New York Times know about this local

773
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: public school, for example, that an immigrant is concerned about, uh,

774
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Speaker 1: that the immigrant doesn't know. The answer is, of course nothing,

775
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: But they just don't want to engage in the real

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00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: debate and the real discussion here. Um. It goes into

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Speaker 1: some very interesting details here about J. D. Ma who's

778
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Speaker 1: one of the profiles in this piece, grew up in

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Speaker 1: China and ta and is a successful attorney. Grew up

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00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: but nothing. Right, So this is the This is the

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00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: immigrant success story that we that we are told over

782
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 1: and over. This is the immigrant success story that's constantly

783
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: repeated to us. All Right, so in foreign country, doesn't

784
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Speaker 1: speak any English, grows up poor, comes here make something

785
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: of himself, but comes here leegally make something of himself,

786
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Speaker 1: and um, it's successful. And this is what we are

787
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: supposed to celebrate and we should celebrate, and we do.

788
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Speaker 1: In this country. We're taken a million people legally every year,

789
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Speaker 1: more than any other country in the world. A million

790
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: people become naturalized or become citizens or permanent residence Green

791
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: card holders every single year. It's a lot, right, Maybe

792
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Speaker 1: we shouldn't be made to feel like we're this racist,

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Speaker 1: xenophobic country when under the current laws we have, we've

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Speaker 1: got a millionaire and some people think, look, maybe a

795
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: millions too much. It's a whole other discussion, but it's

796
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: it's worth noting in this But here's Mr Moth Chinese American.

797
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,439
Speaker 1: Well now he's just American, but he comes from China.

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Speaker 1: And I'm just trying to show that we're talking about

799
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 1: an immigrant who's a non white immigrant into this country.

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Speaker 1: He sees his whole This is back to this piece.

801
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: Quote sees his whole life as a struggle to achieve

802
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: his American nous. Quote being in America is such a

803
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: high privilege as an immigrant. I really feel it. You

804
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: cannot easily give that privilege to somebody without going through

805
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: some kind of process. It's like giving lots of gold

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Speaker 1: for one dollar um. And then the piece goes on

807
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Speaker 1: to specify that Mr Ma voted for Hillary Clinton, but

808
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: hearing liberals talk about undocumented immigrants confuses him. The fact

809
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Speaker 1: that they're entering the country broke the law is somehow

810
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Speaker 1: sidestepped like a crude remark at a polite dinner party.

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Speaker 1: Democrats opposed deportation on the grounds that it breaks up families.

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Speaker 1: Mr Moss said, but so do other aspects of the

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Speaker 1: justice system without setting off the same outcry. If a

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Speaker 1: single mother commits a crime and has to go to jail,

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Speaker 1: he said, we don't say, oh, we can't do that

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Speaker 1: because it will break her family. End quote. I this

817
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: is like a revelation to some people. But it should

818
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Speaker 1: be so obvious. Yeah. Of course, a legal immigrant who

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00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: had to struggle and fight to come here and stay

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Speaker 1: and make something of himself does not, uh does not

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Speaker 1: see an illegue immigrants as playing fair. And this whole

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00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 1: store by that, this whole thing we're constantly told about how, oh,

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Speaker 1: we can't break up families. Well, you know, we we

824
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: should have some people come in here maybe and they

825
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:18,720
Speaker 1: can talk to everyone listening who work in um work

826
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Speaker 1: in criminal courts. And you know, you don't see all

827
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Speaker 1: the newspapers writing long tior eyed, long tior eyed pieces

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Speaker 1: about you know, individuals who for male fraud or for

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Speaker 1: uh tax evasion, or any number of non violent crimes that,

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00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: by the way, have no effect on you or me.

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Speaker 1: Really they are enforcement oftentimes of what is uh not

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00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: mallam in say, which is the legal terminology for just

833
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: bad because it's clearly bad and evil, but malam prohibitum.

834
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Speaker 1: I mean the government says you can't do this. We

835
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: make this illegal because we say so. I mean, they

836
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Speaker 1: have some rationale for it, but it's often just you know,

837
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Speaker 1: because we say, oh, it's the government version of what

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00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: parents say to kids. And I don't want to explain

839
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Speaker 1: because we say so, um, violations of any number of

840
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: regulations that send people to prison that aren't violent, that

841
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: don't there's no victim to point out. And sometimes the

842
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: only victim is the government saying that the government's a victim.

843
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: But those people get taken off to prison, their families

844
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: are left without a breadwinner, their their families are left,

845
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Speaker 1: you know, without a mom or a dad. And you know,

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Speaker 1: we don't hear all these things. And when you're talking

847
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Speaker 1: about immigration cases, and it's not even about imprisoning people necessarily,

848
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: but it's saying you gotta go. You're in the country illegally.

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Speaker 1: You this is breaking up a family based on what

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Speaker 1: the law is. We've got a couple of million people

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Speaker 1: incarcerating this country right now. They all have families, lots

852
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,879
Speaker 1: of laws resulting in families being broken up. But you'll

853
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: notice that only with this do Democrats decide and some

854
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: Republicans who are their enablers, that the law isn't really

855
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: the law any more, that there's a there's a higher calling,

856
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 1: which is keeping families together because illegal immigrants do the

857
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: jobs Americans won't do. And there they don't have a

858
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: cohesive philosophy on this, by the way, because they won't

859
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 1: say they're open borders. Democrats won't admit to being fully

860
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: open borders, but they also don't want to tell anybody

861
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: who's here that they can't stay unless they're a violent criminal. Right,

862
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 1: But even on that they sometimes uh back out. But

863
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: all right, more on this, more on this piece. I

864
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: think this is fascinating. You've got Joe and Charlotte on

865
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:38,280
Speaker 1: w p T I in the linement's up, Joe, Hey,

866
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: how's it going good? Thanks for calling in. Hey, Buck,

867
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: love you man, You're awesome. Thank you. Hey. I was

868
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: just I was just gonna point out that you had

869
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: said there's all these laws and everything that results in

870
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,439
Speaker 1: the separation of families. I just wanted to point out

871
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: that it's not the law that separates the families. You

872
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: gotta break it. Canta actually break the law. And uh,

873
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: if I could say one other thing. I had a

874
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 1: real close friend I used to live with, actually a

875
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: rooming who was here illegally, and he was caught trunk driving.

876
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: He was actually caught trunk driving three times, and the

877
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: first two times, the Charlotte police let him, you know,

878
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: let him just pay a fine or or whatever, I'll

879
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: suspend license and all this stuff. And after years, he

880
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 1: finally got caught a third time and they ended up

881
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 1: deporting him back to Brazil. Good great guy. Loved him,

882
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: but he's breaking along. He's okay though, right, I mean,

883
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 1: he's back in Brazil, you know, and people act like

884
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: anybody who's anyone who sent to the country of their

885
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: citizenship or country of origin, country of citizenship. It's like

886
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 1: it's like they're being sent to the Soviet gulag. I mean, look,

887
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,720
Speaker 1: America's number one. I get that, and I'd be bummed

888
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: if I had to leave American and I liked it.

889
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: Hear too, but you know, Brazil is not terrible. Brazils

890
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: are nice. I've never been, but I hear nice things. Yeah,

891
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: and I'm with you. I feel very blessed, unfortunate to

892
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: have been born here. Last I heard, actually he had

893
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: moved over to England. UM, so I think he had

894
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 1: moved there illegally as well. So I don't know. I

895
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 1: lost track a few years. Yeah, And you know, Joe,

896
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: I assume that if I just showed up in Monaco

897
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: and I was like, look, I want to live here

898
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: and I don't want to pay any taxes, uh, that

899
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: they would send me home Like this is not the

900
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: way it works, is not. I want to be here

901
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: and I want to contribute, and therefore everything is fine. Um.

902
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: That's that's not the situation. But Joe and Charlotte are

903
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 1: great to have you, sir, Thank you for calling in.

904
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 1: I want to get back into some of the details

905
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: of these profiles in this piece, um, because this is

906
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: a it's look, it's a very important, uh discussion, and

907
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: it shows you the in a microcosm way, because this

908
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: is just one county in Maryland that's very two to

909
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: one Democrat to Republican, very progressive, very liberal, and it

910
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: is immigrants who are spearheading the fight against the sanctuary

911
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: the new sanctuary status of this county. And things come

912
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: up these immigrants bring up these not these points like

913
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: the Salvadoran gang MS thirteen, which has had a stronger

914
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: foothold in some areas because of the illegal immigrant population,

915
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: uh recently. You know, again, this is one of these

916
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: points where if you make this and you're me or

917
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: you're someone someone else who's not an immigrant, and particularly

918
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 1: if you're white, and you make these kinds of arguments

919
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: about the rise in crime because of illegal immigrant communities

920
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: and the ties between a gang like m S thirteen

921
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,399
Speaker 1: in those illegal communities, people just call you racist. Right,

922
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 1: the fact that the argument could also mean, and when

923
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: I make it certainly does mean that I want immigrant

924
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 1: communities to be safer and not have not have high

925
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: levels of crime. Therefore, illegal immigrants who you know this,

926
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: they never want to get into the honest, uh, the

927
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: honest truth about this stuff. And one way and this

928
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,879
Speaker 1: comes up um as well, is that they won't give

929
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:12,760
Speaker 1: you statistics on illegal immigrant crime. They just don't have them.

930
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: They always talk about immigrant crime. Well, my expectation is

931
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: that immigrants would commit even fewer crimes than native born

932
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: Americans because we should be picking the best immigrants possible.

933
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: So that's not surprising at all, our immigrants are great,

934
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: but what's going on with illegal immigrants? Can we least

935
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: know what the crime numbers are? The answer for the

936
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: government is from the government is no, you can't. The

937
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: freedom Hunt rocks online too. You can hang out with

938
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: Team Buck anytime, plus can bucks the latest news and analysis.

939
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Speaker 1: Go to Buck Sexton dot com. That's buck Sexton dot com.

940
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Speaker 1: The Buck is back. Brent from New Mexico on the

941
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: I Heart app. What's up, my friend? Hey, BUCKIELI Field High. Now,

942
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: I just want to make a comment about this. I

943
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: live in rural New Mexico and it's uh, it's the

944
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: side of Fletsy Federal Law Enforcement and Trading Center for

945
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: all of our ice agents and stuff like that. And

946
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: there's no sanctuary down here. And I think that's the

947
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: ultimate enter the problem is because there's a lot of

948
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: farming and stuff that goes on here. But if they

949
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: are illegal, they stopped at every stop side, They do

950
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 1: not speed. There's no d y because there is none

951
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: of the sanctuary city stuff. If they get pulled over

952
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: there getting sent home. You know what I mean? If

953
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: you tell me so, yeah, well, yes, sir, I mean

954
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:34,439
Speaker 1: it's just the sanctuary city. I mean, they you don't

955
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: see them crossing the border, you know and going to

956
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: these rural areas to do all of the all of

957
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: that stuff. It's if they're if they're trying to do

958
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: something wrong. It seems to me they're going to l

959
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: A the bigger metropolitan in areas to get that done. Well,

960
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: that's where I yeah, there's a huge portion of the

961
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 1: illegal immigrant population in in some of the biggest cities

962
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: in the country. That's where you see a lot of

963
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: the draw And that's also why the politics of these

964
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: cities now, which are you know, there's l A County,

965
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: New York County. Uh, so it's not even just a city,

966
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: it's the environs that surrounding areas and suburbs as well. Um,

967
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: but they are all in on illegal immigration. There's no

968
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: way to get no way to get them to change

969
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: their policies. You would have to have take you'd have

970
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 1: to take real federal action, which a drop administration is

971
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: beginning to do. But it's gonna be a fight every

972
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 1: step of the way because the entire political apparatus in

973
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: the cities that are heavy with illegal immigrant populations. Uh,

974
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: They're they're not going to stop fighting on this because

975
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 1: the from the mayor down to city councilman down to

976
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: the you know, municipal water authority guys that are elected

977
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: in the dog catcher. I mean, everybody is in on

978
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: the sanctuary city uh politics, and they don't want to

979
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 1: change that. So interesting to hear from what's going on

980
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: down in uh something else. Brent, I'm sorry, what was that? Okay?

981
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: All right, well, thank you for calling from New Mexico.

982
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: Appreciate a chill time. I want to get back to

983
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 1: this piece because again, this in the New York Times

984
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 1: where we're talking about here and this is illegal I'm sorry,

985
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: legal immigrants who are not psyched about their county in

986
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 1: Maryland becoming a sanctuary city or sanctuary area, and the

987
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: New York Times like, what do you mean? I just

988
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 1: like want like everyone to be able to be here,

989
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 1: like there should be like no illegal people because as

990
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: long as they don't like like live right next to

991
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: me in Beverly Hills, like whatever. This is kind of

992
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: the liberal mentality about this, as long as I don't

993
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: have to deal with it, as long as there aren't

994
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: illegals flooding my schools or my emergency rooms are increasing

995
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: crime in my area. I feel good about myself by

996
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 1: foisting the costs of illegal immigration on other people, and

997
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 1: I get to feel like, well, I'm an advocate for it,

998
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: so I'm a good person. I mean, this is all

999
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: by the way, this is just at the heart of

1000
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: the Democrat Party has become because illegals have now illegal

1001
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: immigrants are now convinced of the rightness of their status here,

1002
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 1: meaning that the rightness of their being able to stay

1003
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 1: here because of self serving Democrat propaganda. Right, Democrats are

1004
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: just pro illegal at this point. And those who fight

1005
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: for citizenship though, those who fight for legal status the

1006
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 1: right way. I don't mean fight for legal status through amnesty.

1007
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: I mean go through the process and the stages of

1008
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 1: legal immigration. They see what's happening with the illegal in

1009
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: this country, and they're like, well, what is this? Am

1010
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 1: I am? I a chump? Was I scammed? What? Why

1011
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 1: did I pay an immigration attorney? Why did I wait five, ten,

1012
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 1: maybe fifteen years to illegally be in this country? I mean,

1013
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: you find out from those who have gone through the

1014
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: process the right way. You know, they they had to

1015
01:01:56,600 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: miss uh, they had to miss family visits back home,

1016
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 1: and they couldn't leave, and they had to stay here.

1017
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: And uh. And they were playing by rules. There were rules,

1018
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 1: and there weren't always you know, rules that were convenient

1019
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 1: or what they wanted, but they abided by them because

1020
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 1: they wanted to be Americans. And we're now just being

1021
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 1: told to abandon that by Democrats all the time. That's

1022
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 1: what's what they offer up. You don't need you don't

1023
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 1: need to go through the process. You can just just

1024
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 1: come and stay and vote Democrat. It's all that really matters.

1025
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 1: Come and stay, get Obamacare, get on benefits as fast

1026
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 1: as you can. Because the Democrat Party is the party

1027
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 1: of state is um is the party of collectivism as

1028
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 1: the party of welfare. Uh and we'll we'll hook you up.

1029
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 1: Just just come here and stay here. Back to this

1030
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 1: New York Times piece though about immigrants who oppose sanctuary status,

1031
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 1: who oppose illegals flooding their area. Quote, Uh, this is

1032
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 1: a guy. I didn't give you all the background at

1033
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 1: all of them because I don't have the time. But

1034
01:02:56,040 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 1: his name is bit lab paul Um and he said

1035
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 1: the following. You see the Indians, this is him talking

1036
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 1: or speaking. You see the Indians get very angry because

1037
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:11,919
Speaker 1: they have suffered so much to get a green card,

1038
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 1: said Mr pal sitting at a table laden with Indian suites.

1039
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 1: They think a country with one six of the world's

1040
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 1: population should have more slots, but instead everybody is fighting

1041
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 1: for illegal immigration. Yeah, that's right, that's what Democrats are

1042
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 1: really pushing for. Democrats just want amnesty because they want

1043
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: the votes. What that will do to the legal immigration system,

1044
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 1: what it will do to uh this country and our

1045
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 1: economic and political future, And they don't care about it

1046
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 1: as long as they're in power, as long as the

1047
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 1: Democrat Party wins, and they can inflict their ideology and

1048
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 1: their day to day goals on the rest of the country,

1049
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 1: they don't really whatever they have to do to get there,

1050
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: they're willing to do it. Back to our friend here,

1051
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: Mr Pal. Back to our friend, Mr pal Um. He

1052
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 1: got his own green card, according to the New York

1053
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 1: Times piece here in just a few months, as part

1054
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 1: of a special category reserved for inventors and researchers. His

1055
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 1: company makes software that tracks the functioning of factory equipment.

1056
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 1: But he had a different objection to sanctuary than the

1057
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 1: previous guy we talked about. He believed that it would

1058
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 1: lead to an increase in crime. He used to live

1059
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, in a neighborhood with many undocumented immigrants

1060
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 1: and lots of crime. He saw a connection, you don't say.

1061
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 1: He conceded that his evidence was only anecdotal, of course,

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Speaker 1: but there are no statistics to draw upon intentionally. So

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Speaker 1: from the government, by the way, But the research that

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Speaker 1: liberals were always sending him to change his mind was unsatisfying. Quote,

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Speaker 1: it's always crime statistics for all immigrants, he said. It's

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Speaker 1: true crime is very low for legal immigrants. But I

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01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 1: want to know about illegal immigrants. Nobody has statistics for that.

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Speaker 1: Mr pal is right. They don't have statistics on that.

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01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: They won't keep them. They don't even try to have them.

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Speaker 1: I wonder why, um. And then he said, but now

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Speaker 1: the talk is of sanctuary. Mr Pale believes that would

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Speaker 1: amount to an invitation. Do we really want more illegal

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Speaker 1: immigrants in our country? He said, I don't think the

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01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 1: answer is yes. And he said most undocumented immigrants are

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Speaker 1: Latino and some sanctuary supporters believe that the Asian Americans

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Speaker 1: who oppose it and who came by to this country

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Speaker 1: by airplane to earn graduate degrees, look down on those

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Speaker 1: who crossed the border on foot as a matter of race, class,

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Speaker 1: or misplaced fear. Perhaps legal immigrants should be more understanding.

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Speaker 1: Mr Pal said, but that might be asking too much.

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Speaker 1: Frankly speaking, each immigran and has their own little story

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01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 1: of how they struggled in the United States, he said.

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01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 1: To tell the truth, illegal people have suffered a thousand

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01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 1: times more, but people only see their own suffering. Um.

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Speaker 1: So you have immigrants here that are making some very

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Speaker 1: very interesting points about well they're they're making points that

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Speaker 1: are made in the immigration debate. But they're allowed to

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01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 1: at some level, or it's it's easier for them too,

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Speaker 1: because they won't be shouted down as racist. Although the

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Speaker 1: New York Times you'll see there, did pull this whole well.

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Speaker 1: Because Asian Americans come here for graduate degrees. They can't Okay,

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01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 1: a lot of Asian Americans don't come here for graduate degrees. Okay.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of people that come from Southeast Asia,

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Speaker 1: from the Philippines, from any number of countries that have

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Speaker 1: very low GDP per capita. Very Philippines is of tremendous

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Speaker 1: poverties and very poor countries. Um that we're talking about

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Speaker 1: We're talking I mean South Asia. Poverty in Indian, Bangladesh

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Speaker 1: and Pakistan. If you've never been exposed, you've never been

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Speaker 1: in South Asian let me tell you the poverty there

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01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 1: way beyond anything you'll see in the United States. Um.

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Speaker 1: So they're not all coming to this country for graduate degrees. Okay,

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01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 1: A lot of them come with no advantages really, and

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01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 1: they just managed to make it happen. And this is

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01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 1: where you get into this very uncomfortable discussion for some

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01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 1: Democrats about gee. I wonder if in the East and

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01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 1: we can differentiate now somewhat, or just for the purposes

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Speaker 1: of our discussion, if if families of East Asian descent

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Speaker 1: and South Asian descent that have intact family structure and

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Speaker 1: put an emphasis on education, could that maybe have some

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Speaker 1: bearing on this discussion. Is there a is there a

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01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 1: cultural aspect of some immigrant immigrant groups in the aggregate

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Speaker 1: that we would want to discuss and at least encourage

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01:07:57,760 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 1: among immigrants that come to this country. Or I was

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01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 1: that imperialistic and that's wrong? Um, it should be pointed

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01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 1: out everyone for those of you listening, if you didn't

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01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 1: know this, Asian Americans now have a higher household income

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01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 1: on average then white Americans do. So that's just a

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01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 1: data point, but it goes to show you that this

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Speaker 1: notion of white privilege. That's interesting because white people on

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01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:28,600
Speaker 1: average aren't even the wealthiest as a matter of household

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01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 1: income in the country right now, So that white privileged

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01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 1: thing isn't nearly as powerful as a lot of the

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Speaker 1: media would lead us to believe. That the Democrat left

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01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 1: perspective on this seems to be quite lacking. They don't

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01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:47,680
Speaker 1: deal with facts, they deal with emotions. Um, but I

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Speaker 1: this is near Times piece. I don't have the time.

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01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:51,599
Speaker 1: I don't want to take the time. I know we've

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Speaker 1: got to move on to some other topics here. I

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01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 1: want to discuss uh some left wing conspiracy stuff and

1130
01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 1: health care and also um new data on why people

1131
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 1: voted for Trump and all and crime some some issues

1132
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:13,720
Speaker 1: of police and police being allowed to be police. We've

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01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 1: got a lot of things, and I don't'm realizing almost

1134
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 1: in the third hour of the show already. Um, but well,

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01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 1: we'll get to all that and more. I just this

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01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 1: New York Time Speaks was so interesting because I've made

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01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 1: this case before that why did the Times write it?

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01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 1: That's a good question. Sometimes maybe the story is compelling

1139
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 1: enough that they'll risk going against the prevailing narrative, although

1140
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 1: they do massage the narrative here in some places to

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01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 1: make it seem like, well, I mean, you can tell

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01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:40,680
Speaker 1: this was written by liberals, but they are. They are

1143
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:45,559
Speaker 1: dealing with this pushback that legal immigrants have against illegal immigrants.

1144
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 1: And you think to yourself, okay, well it does seem

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01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 1: to me like, um, that's understandable why legal immigrants would

1146
01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 1: be vexed by illegal immigrants, especially when they're in there

1147
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 1: in their neighborhood, in their schools. I'm like, well, why

1148
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 1: is this? Okay? Why did I go through all that?

1149
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:11,560
Speaker 1: These are the questions they would ask understandably. So k

1150
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 1: in Ohio, I heart app what's up, k hey buck SHIELDSI?

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01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 1: First off, I know it's a little bit late, but

1152
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:24,800
Speaker 1: congratulation saw the new show. Thank you silly sir. So

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Speaker 1: I I myself am not an immigrant. However, I come

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01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 1: from an immigrant family, actually more than the NAMI. I

1155
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:33,760
Speaker 1: come from a refugee family. We came after after the

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01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 1: FALLUS I gone and um and so I think we

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01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 1: have a little bit of standing to comment on the

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01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 1: whole immigration situation, you know, and it's it's it's really

1159
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:47,040
Speaker 1: frustrating that, but you know, for us, for us to

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01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 1: come over to America, it took it took a war.

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01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 1: It took us like the twenty years of war, and

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01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 1: then America's pulling out completely from our country and then

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01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, we don't have a country anymore.

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01:10:57,080 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 1: And that's what it took for us to originally come here,

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01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 1: and our families that engage in a little bit of

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01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 1: m a little chain migration, which I know, I know

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01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:07,639
Speaker 1: you're not a huge standard, but you know, it's legal.

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01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:10,600
Speaker 1: It's it's legal, and that that's completely fine. I'm just

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01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:12,600
Speaker 1: saying that, you know, if you're going to have a

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01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 1: point system like Canada, you wouldn't have a complete preference

1171
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 1: for chain migration via families over getting the most skilled immigrants.

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01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 1: But there's nothing, there's nothing wrong with it. It's just

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01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 1: it's a question of policy, not a question of legality, certainly.

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01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 1: But I mean, well I was getting now is that

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01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 1: you know for you know, it took it took years

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01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 1: for us to bring like our family, and it came

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01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:37,679
Speaker 1: bit by bit. You know, we first we had spouses

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01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 1: come over, so some of my aunts and uncles didn't

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01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 1: come over at first, and they came over later and

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01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 1: then some of my cousins. I remember the process to

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01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 1: bring my cousin over two of them started in the

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01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 1: late nineties and I didn't finally meet them until two

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01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 1: thousand and ten, and they didn't so it took it's

1184
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:58,599
Speaker 1: like eleven years and believe for them to finally get

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01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:01,479
Speaker 1: to America, and it was it was a lot of heartbreak,

1186
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 1: a lot of heartache, just we always thought that we

1187
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 1: were about to get them in and then all of

1188
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 1: a sudden something else would happen. And this coming from

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01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 1: a you know, a communist nation. So the whole situation,

1190
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 1: like if you think American Girl Office is bad, like,

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01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 1: can you have you have zero recourse in a communist country?

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01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's yeah, no, there's there's there's no

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01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:26,559
Speaker 1: there's not much criticism of the government there um as

1194
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 1: I'm sure you can imagine, but you know, they had

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01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 1: they It was interesting, not just as a side Okay,

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01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 1: I remember being in Vietnam and going to a museum

1197
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 1: that was more or less a museum of American War

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01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 1: atrocities was what the museum was, which as an American

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Speaker 1: you're not used to seeing anywhere, but that that they

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01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 1: had a whole museum, But that's what it was depicting. Yeah,

1201
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:53,599
Speaker 1: it's it's a little bit embellished. Was that Saigon itself?

1202
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 1: I think I was there. Yeah, but you know what

1203
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, and that's that's that exists. I mean,

1204
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 1: there's a whole different narrative of the war, and there

1205
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 1: are museums dedicated to it. But uh, that's I know,

1206
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 1: a diversion from we're talking right now. But that that

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01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:09,559
Speaker 1: always stayed with me. I was like, wow, I've they've

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01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 1: really gone with this story and taking it to a

1209
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 1: new level. But no, I look, I appreciate hearing from uh,

1210
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 1: from somebody who has a personal understanding of what this

1211
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:22,160
Speaker 1: process is like. But I'm sure did you see this

1212
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 1: New York Times piece. It's it's a really good read.

1213
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:27,760
Speaker 1: You'll see all of us. You'll see legal immigrants who

1214
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:30,719
Speaker 1: are making the case or or i should say, asking

1215
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:37,440
Speaker 1: the questions that people who are GOP voters, Trump voters, conservatives,

1216
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 1: any number of you know, some Democrats like I still

1217
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:43,599
Speaker 1: but very few ask all the time. But it's even

1218
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 1: more understandable. I think in some ways that legal immigrants

1219
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 1: would ask because they really understand it. Look a lot

1220
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:51,439
Speaker 1: of Americans don't even know how the legal immigration system

1221
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:54,600
Speaker 1: works because they haven't had to. But you were just

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01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:56,720
Speaker 1: saying you had to wait, or your family members had

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01:13:56,760 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 1: to wait and go through a difficult and arduous process.

1224
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:01,760
Speaker 1: And then being told, well, someone who just came here

1225
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 1: a year ago and is gonna, you know, live in

1226
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:08,480
Speaker 1: a in a in a trailer downtown and wants benefits

1227
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 1: and just is here now, I assume that that has

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01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:16,360
Speaker 1: a certain a certain impact. Yeah, and you know, so

1229
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 1: the main thing, the main thing I think is that

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01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 1: from my family, we wanted to come to America because America,

1231
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:24,600
Speaker 1: because we saw American we know how they think. And

1232
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:26,880
Speaker 1: then we thought we learned about the freedoms and all

1233
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 1: of that, and then and then you know, the narrative

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01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 1: and in a communist nation is very tightly controlled, but

1235
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 1: you know, you get stories from visitors and people and

1236
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:38,200
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So they've always had this picture of

1237
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 1: America that they've they've been trying for, that they've been

1238
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:43,760
Speaker 1: longing for, really, and so America is much the land mask,

1239
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 1: you know, it's all a set of ideals in a

1240
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:48,559
Speaker 1: state of mind. And so after after over a decade

1241
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:50,680
Speaker 1: of trying to get here, they come here, they try

1242
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 1: to make the best of themselves. And that cousin I

1243
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:54,639
Speaker 1: was talking to you about. One of them became a nurse,

1244
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 1: another one became a pharmacist, you know, after after about

1245
01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 1: five five six years or so. So people who just

1246
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 1: comes just come over the boarder. I mean, it's it's

1247
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 1: quite a crossing to make, but they come here. All

1248
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 1: they want to do is get away from something else.

1249
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:11,559
Speaker 1: But they don't want to become a part of America,

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01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:14,479
Speaker 1: you know, And that's part of what's so frustrating about

1251
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 1: the whole situation. Well, the first act, your first act

1252
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:19,600
Speaker 1: as somebody who whether you want to become American or not,

1253
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 1: your first act on American show. Soil shouldn't be illegal.

1254
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:26,639
Speaker 1: But k, legal immigrants are Americans, and I love Americans,

1255
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:29,640
Speaker 1: so I love legal immigrants. Thank you very much for

1256
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 1: calling in, my friend, Shields. I appreciate it. God bless

1257
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:36,719
Speaker 1: you and your family. Uh eight four, eight to five.

1258
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:40,639
Speaker 1: If you feel like weighing in on some of this stuff,

1259
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:42,679
Speaker 1: we're gonna switch up topics, probably talk to you about

1260
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 1: I'm talking about about the conspiracy minded left these days.

1261
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 1: It will be some fun. Well, we'll lighten it up

1262
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 1: and loosen it up in here a little bit, and

1263
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 1: uh then we will get into, uh well, a whole

1264
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 1: bunch of other topics, including cops and their ability to

1265
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 1: do their jobs under Trump administration. Uh now that they're

1266
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:09,160
Speaker 1: not constantly being undermined from the very top. Welcome back

1267
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 1: to the Freedom hud On, an island of liberty where

1268
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:15,800
Speaker 1: you're the party and it's full of fellow patriots. Buck

1269
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 1: Sexton kicks it off. So late night comedy host entertainer

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Kimmel gives a speech about his infant son's congenital

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Speaker 1: heart condition, and it is emotionally very um well, very

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Speaker 1: powerful and connected with people and is now for the

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Speaker 1: last week or so, has been at the center of

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Speaker 1: the healthcare debate. And this is you get into dangerous

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Speaker 1: territory here, because when you have someone who is and

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Speaker 1: I believe Mrs I don't know Mr Kimla guys no

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Speaker 1: idea who I am. I believe him though, to be

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Speaker 1: completely um her felt, and I think from what I gather. Also,

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Speaker 1: I don't watch that. Look, I don't have cable, so

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Speaker 1: I don't watch that much TV. But he's not as

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Speaker 1: much of a of an open partisan to say Stephen

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Speaker 1: Colbert is which from what I'm told, the Stephen Colbert Show,

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Speaker 1: which used to be The Letterman Show, is now just

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Speaker 1: like an hour of Trump bashing day in a day out, um.

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Speaker 1: But Kimmel has a very personal attachment to the healthcare

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Speaker 1: situation right now because of what happened with his child.

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Speaker 1: And he cried on air, and it was it was

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Speaker 1: hard felt, and it was emotional, and and we feel

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Speaker 1: for the guy and we want, you know, everyone wants

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Speaker 1: the best for him and his family, just like I

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Speaker 1: want the best for everyone's family. I mean, I want

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Speaker 1: anyone who was a child born anywhere, um to be

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Speaker 1: healthy and happy. And you know, this is one of

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Speaker 1: the problems with our our current state of politically, and

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Speaker 1: it's probably been a problem for a long time, but

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Speaker 1: it's magnified now, at least in our perception of it,

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Speaker 1: because of social media, that we impute negative and even

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Speaker 1: evil intentions to the other side. And I don't do this,

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Speaker 1: but or at least I sertally try not to do this,

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Speaker 1: but it's done to conservatives all the time. Right. It's

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Speaker 1: not that we have concerns about climate change science, it's

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Speaker 1: that we are I don't even know what they think.

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Speaker 1: The motivation is there, we're all getting paid off by

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Speaker 1: big oil or something, or we're just we just like

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Speaker 1: to be contrarian because we want to see the world.

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Speaker 1: We want to see the world die. That's what people

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Speaker 1: who believe in climate change think of the quote deniers

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Speaker 1: were morally equivalent to Holocaust deniers. That is why they

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Speaker 1: use the term denier for climate change. Don't ever forget that,

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Speaker 1: by the way, UM, don't ever forget that that's what

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Speaker 1: they think. Obviously, it's a it's a grotesque, grotesque position

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Speaker 1: that they take on that. Um. But on healthcare too,

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Speaker 1: it's not that like someone like me. It's it's not

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Speaker 1: that I think that a more free market healthcare system

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Speaker 1: would be more likely to provide better, cheaper, more efficient

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Speaker 1: care to more people. It's that I must not like

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Speaker 1: poor people. It's that I must not like uh, I

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Speaker 1: don't know old people or whatever it is, right, whatever depends,

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Speaker 1: It depends on what what is you we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: But it's that I'm I'm hateful. Um, I don't have

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Speaker 1: a difference of opinion on policy that would I believe

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Speaker 1: bring out better health outcomes for people. It's that I'm

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Speaker 1: hateful um. And you see this with with the Kimmel uh,

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Speaker 1: the aftermath of of the the Kimmel monologue, Because now,

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Speaker 1: if you want to criticize some of what Jimmy Kimmel said,

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Speaker 1: no one's going to criticize that. He the guy's terrified

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Speaker 1: about his newborn son having a heart conditioning. And what

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Speaker 1: could I I've never I haven't had kids yet, but

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine anything more terrifying. Um. But this is

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Speaker 1: a problem you see often with prominent spokespersons from the left.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps that happens in the right too, of the and

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Speaker 1: think of it much more ready than the left. That

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Speaker 1: personal tragedy does not mean that the policy suggestion that

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Speaker 1: one comes up with is unassailable, that the policy suggestion

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Speaker 1: is beyond debate, that the policy suggestion cannot be criticized

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Speaker 1: because it's just oh so mean of you because of

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Speaker 1: the loss that somebody had, or even in this case,

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Speaker 1: the fear, the anxiety, the personal connection to it, because

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Speaker 1: you see, health care is personal for all of us.

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Speaker 1: I no one listening right now, and I include myself

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Speaker 1: on this is exempt from the fears of dealing with

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Speaker 1: a health care system that could bankrupt you, that may

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Speaker 1: not be good enough, that may not save you when

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Speaker 1: you need it to. We've all dealt with it. We've

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Speaker 1: all seen it. We've had family members dealing with it.

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Speaker 1: We know, we have personal experience with this. And if

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Speaker 1: you've lived long enough, you've had a health scare and

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Speaker 1: if you live long enough, you've had a loved one

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Speaker 1: die uh from perhaps a situation or their disease could

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Speaker 1: have been treated more efficiently, more effectively, and maybe you

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Speaker 1: paid a whole lot of money and the care wasn't

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Speaker 1: good enough and it didn't even save the person. Right.

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Speaker 1: We we've all been and we've all seen it. We

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Speaker 1: all know. So yes, there can be a lot of um,

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Speaker 1: a lot of residents when someone like Jimmy Kimmel, who's

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Speaker 1: very powerful, very wealthy guy as well, and was able

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Speaker 1: to get his son the best his newborn uh son

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Speaker 1: the best imaginable care, which is great, but we should

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Speaker 1: be very honest about what this means on a policy level.

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Speaker 1: Not everybody is gonna be able to get it. Doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter what the government says. Not everyone's gonna be able

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Speaker 1: to get Jimmy kimmel level or his son's level of care.

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Speaker 1: It's just not going to happen. Some of it is

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Speaker 1: depended on where you live. Some of it is depended

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Speaker 1: on socio economic status and access. Now that's not to

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Speaker 1: say you'll get no care, but are you gonna have

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Speaker 1: top cardiac sir? Even in even in his telling of

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Speaker 1: the story, there was I forget what the specifics were,

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Speaker 1: but there was some level of luck in the the

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Speaker 1: the exact surgeon they wanted was able to come to

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Speaker 1: the hospital. It's exactly the right time to perform the surgery,

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Speaker 1: because time was of the essence. You know, if if

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Speaker 1: you live in the middle of Wyoming and you have

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Speaker 1: a child born in the local hospital or a clinic

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Speaker 1: or whatever, you know that that may not be what happens.

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Speaker 1: And this is just unfortunately the reality of a system

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Speaker 1: that cannot produce has not produced enough top level UH

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Speaker 1: cardiac surgeons for everybody to have access when they want,

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Speaker 1: at the at the moment they want, and without having

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Speaker 1: to pay vast SOMs of money for it. Health Care

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Speaker 1: has UH a lot of emotional residence with us for

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Speaker 1: a good reason. But we also need to be um

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Speaker 1: clear eyed and and sober minded about what the policy

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Speaker 1: implications of all this are. Me So Jimmy Kimmel had

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Speaker 1: the following to say on this say, we got to

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Speaker 1: fulfill President Trump's contract lowering premiums. Jimmy Kimmel test. If

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Speaker 1: we do that, we get an American plan, not Democrat

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Speaker 1: and not Republican, an American plan, and that's where we

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Speaker 1: need to be center. Uh So we mentioned this test.

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Speaker 1: Since I am Jimmy Kimmel, I would like to make

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Speaker 1: a suggestion as to what the Jimmy Kimmel test should be.

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Speaker 1: I'll keep it simple. The Jimmy Kimmel test I think

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Speaker 1: should be no family should be denied medical care, emergency

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Speaker 1: or otherwise because they can't afford it. Can that be

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Speaker 1: the Jimmy Kimmel test? Is that oversimplifying it? Hey man,

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Speaker 1: you're on the right track. And if that's as close

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Speaker 1: as we get, that works great in government. Now we've

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Speaker 1: got to be able to pay for it, and that's

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Speaker 1: the challenge. So all those middle class families right now

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Speaker 1: paying twenty to thirty to forty thou dollars a year

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Speaker 1: for their coverage, we have to make it affordable for

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Speaker 1: them too. And that's what I'm hearing. Well, I didn't

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Speaker 1: think of it. A way to pay for it is

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Speaker 1: don't give a huge tax cut to millionaires like me

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Speaker 1: and instead leave it how now drawn off and to

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Speaker 1: never have nothing to do with anything but this. This.

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Speaker 1: No one should ever be denied care. Okay, what does

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Speaker 1: that mean? You're not denied emergency care. We all know

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Speaker 1: that that's been the law for a long time. So

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Speaker 1: if you go into the hospitals say I'm sick, I

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Speaker 1: need help, they have to treat you. But what level

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Speaker 1: of ongoing care do you get? Uh? Those of you,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure some of you listening no exactly what I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about. Those you have dealt with a chronic pain condition. Um,

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Speaker 1: I've dealt with chronic pain before. It's it's really debilitating.

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Speaker 1: You know, at first people are sympathetic and they don't

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Speaker 1: really want to hear about it, and then you're on

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Speaker 1: your own and you know, I've I've dealt with chronic

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Speaker 1: medical conditions, ciliac disease, have to deal with it every

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Speaker 1: single day, and it does not it is not fun. Um,

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Speaker 1: But what level of care are you entitled to do?

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Speaker 1: I do I get to see for a chronic pain condition.

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Speaker 1: I get to see the um best physical therapist or

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Speaker 1: the you know, the the best pain management specialist in

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Speaker 1: New York City at will let me tell you something.

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Speaker 1: One of the pain specialists I know if you're in

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Speaker 1: New York City run is excellent, but runs his practice

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Speaker 1: like a like a a Swiss watch, in the sense

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Speaker 1: that it is a business. You come in at a

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Speaker 1: certain time, you get a procedure, you're either paying with

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Speaker 1: a credit card or you have established beforehand with the

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Speaker 1: payment will be. That is it. And it is very

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Speaker 1: expensive and a lot of a lot of the treatments

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Speaker 1: are not necessarily covered by insurance. So what that will?

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Speaker 1: But what if that makes me better? Do am I

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Speaker 1: entitled to that? What does healthcare even mean? Where does

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Speaker 1: healthcare stop and start? These are the question. The left

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Speaker 1: doesn't want to deal with this. They don't want to

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Speaker 1: talk about this because it's uncomfortable. It's easier to just

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Speaker 1: say Republicans are big meanings. They're big meanings. You don't

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Speaker 1: want people to get health because they want people to

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Speaker 1: be sick and die. And because that narrative is out there,

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Speaker 1: which the Democrats use, uh with a reckless, abandoned I mean,

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Speaker 1: they just they'll say that stuff. I mean, you see that,

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren, all these other people out there on the

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Speaker 1: Democrats side, saying people are gonna die. It's also terrible. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: you have Republicans out there trying to make this case,

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Speaker 1: trying to make a more nuanced but more honest case

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Speaker 1: the American people. But what is possible when it comes

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Speaker 1: to healthcare? And you've got Republican Representative Rodney Davis who

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Speaker 1: was trying to speak You know, people are congressmen are

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Speaker 1: home now, they're facing some pretty hostile town halls in

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Speaker 1: their home districts. But Congressman Davis was home in Illinois

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Speaker 1: and organizing for action activists. Sure, there are a whole

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Speaker 1: lot of fun to talk to. We're outside of his office,

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Speaker 1: and well, I want to play the club. I want

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Speaker 1: to play this for you and then we'll talk about it.

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Speaker 1: This is this is what happened when this congressman goes

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Speaker 1: home to Illinois. He's got Act quote activists about healthcare

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Speaker 1: outside of his office. And here's how the conversation ghosts.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you my story. Highly have one instance of

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Speaker 1: knowing with the Canadian health Care sister us about my wife.

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Speaker 1: Did I just hear it? Did I just hear it? Um? Yeah? Wow,

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Speaker 1: we don't have that much time We don't have a

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Speaker 1: lot of time, so have I been moving? But did

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Speaker 1: I use hearing up when you talk about somebody who

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Speaker 1: fought cancer? That's okay? My wife when she was diagnosed

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Speaker 1: eighteen years ago. When my wife was diagnosed eighteen years ago,

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Speaker 1: she was told by a primary care physician that it

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Speaker 1: was in her head. But because she was a great advocate,

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Speaker 1: was able to actually push forward the right tests, she

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Speaker 1: was able to get diagnosed she had color cancer at

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Speaker 1: a stage two. Because we were able to fire that

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Speaker 1: primary care doctor, we were able to come back and

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Speaker 1: get a new one. You know where he was from.

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Speaker 1: He was from Canada. Can't know what he told my wife.

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Speaker 1: He said in Canada, we would have gotten to you

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Speaker 1: are stage four. In Canada, we wouldn't have gotten to

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Speaker 1: you until you were stage four. Uh. An important thing

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Speaker 1: for a lot of Americans to hear right now, I think,

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01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:15,559
Speaker 1: as we're once again being told that other countries have

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01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:18,439
Speaker 1: such better health care systems, other countries have figured all

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01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:22,840
Speaker 1: this out, that we are stuck in the dark ages

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01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:26,519
Speaker 1: of the industrialized world when it comes to providing health

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01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:30,360
Speaker 1: care for our citizens. Um, well, that all depends on

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01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:32,160
Speaker 1: what do you think health care is also should be

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01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 1: noted by the way that this uh congressman and he

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01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:37,880
Speaker 1: he called them out. They there's a hemming and hawing

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01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:39,840
Speaker 1: when he started talking about his wife was diagnosed with

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01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:43,160
Speaker 1: cancer eighteen years ago. These people have no respect at all,

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01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:45,439
Speaker 1: and and they're not They don't even know what they're

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01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:47,599
Speaker 1: advocating for when it comes to health care. These activists,

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01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:49,840
Speaker 1: these idiots that are running around that are saying that

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01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:51,880
Speaker 1: people are gonna die. And here, here, here, this is.

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01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:56,160
Speaker 1: This is from Politico Today. Left adopts shock tactics in

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01:28:56,200 --> 01:29:00,519
Speaker 1: Obamacare repeal fight. One newly formed progressive super hack is

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01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:05,400
Speaker 1: planning to carte caskets to Republican lawmakers districts and hold

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01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:10,280
Speaker 1: mock funerals for their constituents. Another activist is encouraging protesters

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01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:14,240
Speaker 1: to ship their own ashes should they die without healthcare

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01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:18,759
Speaker 1: to GOP lawmakers. And other progressive groups are planning graphic

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01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:23,240
Speaker 1: die in protests as they work to derail GOP plans

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01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:29,080
Speaker 1: to repeal Obamacare. This is their version of dialogue. This

1503
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:32,040
Speaker 1: is their version of discourse. Healthcare is serious, it is

1504
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:36,280
Speaker 1: deadly serious. And you have people that are getting together

1505
01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:38,920
Speaker 1: as active as spending time and money to act like

1506
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:43,000
Speaker 1: morons and pretend. I guess they really do. You know

1507
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:46,520
Speaker 1: that they've watched so much Comedy Central and so much MSNBC,

1508
01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:51,000
Speaker 1: uh that they believe that Republicans really just want people

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01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:54,439
Speaker 1: to die, that we don't think there's a better way

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01:29:54,479 --> 01:29:56,479
Speaker 1: for this to be done. We just don't care. We're

1511
01:29:56,479 --> 01:30:01,680
Speaker 1: just mean. It is hard to fathom how anyone in

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01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:04,360
Speaker 1: this country could be so stupid. But then when you

1513
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:09,400
Speaker 1: think about the way that they are indoctrinated every day,

1514
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:14,280
Speaker 1: all day, day in and day out with Republicans are evil.

1515
01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:17,280
Speaker 1: Republicans don't like poor people. Republicans are racists, they don't

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01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:19,040
Speaker 1: want to help minorities, they don't want to give health

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01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:22,760
Speaker 1: care to people. Uh. They have internalized this and it's

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01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:25,120
Speaker 1: a comfortable narrative for them. Good guys, bad guys. They're

1519
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:28,559
Speaker 1: the good guys now when you present them with a

1520
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:32,479
Speaker 1: story like this congressman did in Illinois about a real

1521
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:35,080
Speaker 1: life health care situation dealing with cancer and what that

1522
01:30:35,200 --> 01:30:39,640
Speaker 1: was like and what it means, and how this is

1523
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:45,000
Speaker 1: illustrating that just giving health insurance to people is not enough.

1524
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:47,840
Speaker 1: That we need to find out that there that there

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01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:49,880
Speaker 1: will always be rationing. It's just a question, does the

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01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:52,080
Speaker 1: market to the rationing, there's the government to the rationing.

1527
01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:55,280
Speaker 1: And if the market does the rational ing, the upside

1528
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:57,719
Speaker 1: of it is that means there's competition, That means there's

1529
01:30:57,800 --> 01:31:00,200
Speaker 1: better provision of services. That means there's advanced But the

1530
01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:02,640
Speaker 1: government does the rational and guess what. That's didn't really

1531
01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:04,320
Speaker 1: work out so well in the Soviet Union, it's not

1532
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:08,160
Speaker 1: working out well in Venezuela either government and government making

1533
01:31:08,200 --> 01:31:13,120
Speaker 1: all the decisions is a guaranteed disaster. The market making

1534
01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:16,840
Speaker 1: decisions about healthcare will be imperfect, but at least the

1535
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:19,599
Speaker 1: more the market is in charge, the more there will

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01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:24,920
Speaker 1: be benefits and prosperity in that marketplace, in the healthcare

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01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:28,720
Speaker 1: marketplace for people to enjoy, meaning cheaper, better, faster, more

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01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:32,240
Speaker 1: efficient service. This is the real health care discussion, but

1539
01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:33,640
Speaker 1: it's not what the Democrats want to have right now.

1540
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:36,160
Speaker 1: They want to send ashes to members of the GOP Congress,

1541
01:31:36,439 --> 01:31:38,960
Speaker 1: and they want to stage dyings and act like a

1542
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:46,720
Speaker 1: bunch of freaking babies. Oh this is rough. Lots of

1543
01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:50,719
Speaker 1: journalists reporting that UH source in the FBI field office

1544
01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:52,840
Speaker 1: in l A said that Comy was in the l

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01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:56,200
Speaker 1: A FBI office when his firing was announced. He found

1546
01:31:56,240 --> 01:32:00,920
Speaker 1: out by watching it on TV with everybody else come.

1547
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:06,280
Speaker 1: He found out he was fired from TV news. Ouch,

1548
01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:13,120
Speaker 1: you also have Uh what is this Brian Shots? I believe?

1549
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:18,000
Speaker 1: Who is a United States Senator from Hawaii? Righting. Uh,

1550
01:32:18,120 --> 01:32:22,920
Speaker 1: we're in a full fledged constitutional crisis. We have gone well,

1551
01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:25,120
Speaker 1: but this isn't That was the quote. I'm just saying

1552
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:28,320
Speaker 1: this now, we've done well beyond the I can't tell

1553
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:32,479
Speaker 1: if you're being sarcastic phase into just all out? Who

1554
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:35,680
Speaker 1: can outdo everybody else with the hyperbole of the the

1555
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:38,519
Speaker 1: fascism we were all under right now? H Scott from

1556
01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:42,160
Speaker 1: Panama City, Panama City on w FLF. What's up, Scott?

1557
01:32:43,160 --> 01:32:46,519
Speaker 1: Hey man, I love your shot. Thank you, and hi

1558
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:49,719
Speaker 1: all the Trussers are We love the comedicy fine should

1559
01:32:49,720 --> 01:32:52,479
Speaker 1: have been done Starner. We love it. I'm sending some

1560
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:56,760
Speaker 1: Baba Rocks offic in a few minutes. Um, all right,

1561
01:32:56,800 --> 01:33:00,000
Speaker 1: we love it, man? What's it? What's to be scared of? Yeah?

1562
01:32:59,880 --> 01:33:01,680
Speaker 1: I don't know what what the big deal? What is

1563
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:03,200
Speaker 1: the big deal? Scott? Do you know what the big

1564
01:33:03,200 --> 01:33:04,519
Speaker 1: deal is? Because I don't know what the big deal

1565
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:07,120
Speaker 1: is that the president can do this and who cares

1566
01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:10,240
Speaker 1: ye should have done it sooner. I also love this

1567
01:33:10,280 --> 01:33:13,520
Speaker 1: notion that that if Comys fired, then the whole investigation

1568
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:17,479
Speaker 1: goes away. Uh yeah, because everybody in the FBI, there's

1569
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:19,720
Speaker 1: no there's the only investigation. There's no only have a dance,

1570
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:23,559
Speaker 1: there's nothing. And if so, you know, it's just yeah,

1571
01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:26,160
Speaker 1: it's just not man, But they're gonna they're freaking out, man, Scott.

1572
01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:28,519
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're on Facebook or or or Twitter,

1573
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:31,599
Speaker 1: but if you do a hashtag Comy search, you'll just see, Oh, man,

1574
01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:33,880
Speaker 1: we're we're Scott. I don't know. They think we're they

1575
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:36,120
Speaker 1: think we're all gonna die. Man, It's it's all over

1576
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:39,280
Speaker 1: for us. But but you know, the people that Trump,

1577
01:33:39,400 --> 01:33:41,160
Speaker 1: in addition to the people who have caught home on

1578
01:33:41,200 --> 01:33:45,160
Speaker 1: board the Trump train since then, including millennials who are up,

1579
01:33:45,800 --> 01:33:48,800
Speaker 1: I'm sure black Americas, white Norman Trump could do something.

1580
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:52,160
Speaker 1: Trump Scott one of the greatest opportunities to give him

1581
01:33:52,160 --> 01:33:56,040
Speaker 1: a king Rods with African Americans of any president since

1582
01:33:56,080 --> 01:33:58,600
Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln. Well, he used to say so during the campaign,

1583
01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:01,160
Speaker 1: and I think the there I think that Trump does

1584
01:34:01,200 --> 01:34:03,920
Speaker 1: have a real possibility to make in roads with minority

1585
01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:06,080
Speaker 1: communities but for today, man, they called me to call

1586
01:34:06,160 --> 01:34:11,040
Speaker 1: me fire is gonna drive people, not Scott Shield time.

1587
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:14,240
Speaker 1: And thank you for calling in Stephen Massachusetts. W h

1588
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:18,040
Speaker 1: y N. What's up Steve hey Buck? Yeah, I finally

1589
01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:20,320
Speaker 1: got through you. You have a great show. Thank you.

1590
01:34:21,800 --> 01:34:24,519
Speaker 1: Um oh yeah did this called me firing? Was like

1591
01:34:24,600 --> 01:34:28,280
Speaker 1: so awesome finally repeal and replaced. Comey, I mean, I

1592
01:34:28,280 --> 01:34:31,120
Speaker 1: I just can't get over it. Bus this is great. Um.

1593
01:34:31,240 --> 01:34:33,240
Speaker 1: I don't even think he should be a lawyer never mind.

1594
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:38,640
Speaker 1: Um An FBI director um Trey Gowdy's uh cross examining

1595
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:41,760
Speaker 1: him on basic legal questions was like, I mean you

1596
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:46,320
Speaker 1: could tell he was setting the table um on this guy. Um.

1597
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:48,240
Speaker 1: But but but the thing is why, I do have

1598
01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:50,519
Speaker 1: one question that's been bugging me for a long time.

1599
01:34:51,360 --> 01:34:54,000
Speaker 1: On Goose for two point oh, We've only got about

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01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:55,599
Speaker 1: a minute here, so we gotta make this quick. Steve

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01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:58,960
Speaker 1: go ahead, No, no, Goose for two point oh claimed

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01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:01,960
Speaker 1: to have hacked Clinton Foundation and who have gotten ahold

1603
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:06,960
Speaker 1: of the Democratic Campaign Contributions Committee list and but all

1604
01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:09,639
Speaker 1: of a sudden the story disappeared in but the Clinton

1605
01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:13,600
Speaker 1: Foundation vehemently denied it, and um, I mean that was

1606
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:16,280
Speaker 1: a clear case of possible Russian hacking, and they just

1607
01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:19,439
Speaker 1: didn't want anything to do with it. I have to look.

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01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:22,519
Speaker 1: I honestly I followed as closely as I can, Steve,

1609
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:24,080
Speaker 1: but that one I have to go check out again.

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01:35:24,200 --> 01:35:25,680
Speaker 1: I don't remember that off hand. But thank you for

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01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:27,800
Speaker 1: calling in from up in Massachusetts. I appreciate it, sir.

1612
01:35:28,439 --> 01:35:30,679
Speaker 1: Those the rest of you who are lighting up the lines, uh,

1613
01:35:31,240 --> 01:35:33,240
Speaker 1: if you can hold, we'll try to get to you.

1614
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:35,320
Speaker 1: Otherwise you can always call back tomorrow. But thank you

1615
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:37,479
Speaker 1: very much for for calling it. I do appreciate it.

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01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:41,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a friend, Ben Shapiro of Daily Wire

1617
01:35:41,439 --> 01:35:42,880
Speaker 1: joining us here for some news of the day in

1618
01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:46,640
Speaker 1: just a moment. So we've got that, plus author of

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01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:49,439
Speaker 1: the War on Cops, and we'll close out the show strong.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back to pass say Si Si Si

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Speaker 1: sa Si te t by s to to to pla

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01:40:02,520 --> 01:41:00,879
Speaker 1: some he spreads freedom because freedom is not to spread itself.

1623
01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:06,000
Speaker 1: Buck Sexton is back. Everybody, welcome back. We've got Ben

1624
01:41:06,120 --> 01:41:08,840
Speaker 1: Shapiro on the line. He's editor in chief of Daily

1625
01:41:08,880 --> 01:41:12,559
Speaker 1: wire dot com, syndicated columnist, host of The Ben Shapiro Show,

1626
01:41:13,000 --> 01:41:15,960
Speaker 1: writer for National Review. Check out his latest on Daily

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01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:18,200
Speaker 1: wire dot com. Ben, thanks for coming back to the Hut.

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01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:21,120
Speaker 1: Hey thanks so much for having me. So tell me

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01:41:21,160 --> 01:41:23,000
Speaker 1: about this study. I know it's up on the Daily

1630
01:41:23,160 --> 01:41:27,120
Speaker 1: Wire that Trump didn't win because unemployed white workers were

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01:41:27,280 --> 01:41:30,360
Speaker 1: left behind by the economy. That tends to be the

1632
01:41:30,479 --> 01:41:33,760
Speaker 1: prevailing narrative in many corners on this one. Why did

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01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:37,160
Speaker 1: he win? Yeah? So, so basically the study comes from

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01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:39,240
Speaker 1: p r I in the Atlantic and they did some

1635
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:44,360
Speaker 1: uh some some multiple aggression analysis, and what they found

1636
01:41:44,680 --> 01:41:47,880
Speaker 1: is that there were several factors that led to people

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01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:51,519
Speaker 1: supporting Trump in these white blue collar areas. And some

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01:41:51,680 --> 01:41:56,120
Speaker 1: of those factors included number one, registering Republican, which makes sense.

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01:41:56,160 --> 01:41:58,680
Speaker 1: But then the second was fear of cultural displacement. They

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01:41:58,720 --> 01:42:00,840
Speaker 1: said the quote white working class voters who say they

1641
01:42:00,840 --> 01:42:03,120
Speaker 1: often feel like a stranger in their own land and

1642
01:42:03,200 --> 01:42:06,080
Speaker 1: believe the US meets protecting against foreign influence were three

1643
01:42:06,120 --> 01:42:08,720
Speaker 1: point five times more likely to favorite Trump than those

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01:42:08,760 --> 01:42:11,680
Speaker 1: who did not share those concerns. That so that's, you know,

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01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:14,720
Speaker 1: significantly more likely to favorite Trump that Hillary. Also, if

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01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:17,720
Speaker 1: they wanted illegal limcloun supported, they were three point three

1647
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:20,600
Speaker 1: times more likely to express a preference for Trump. If

1648
01:42:20,640 --> 01:42:22,800
Speaker 1: they disdained the higher education, they thought the college was

1649
01:42:22,840 --> 01:42:25,360
Speaker 1: a gamble as opposed to being a guarantee, then they

1650
01:42:25,400 --> 01:42:27,599
Speaker 1: were likely to favorite Trump. But one thing that did

1651
01:42:27,640 --> 01:42:29,600
Speaker 1: not favorite Trump is if they were in fair or

1652
01:42:29,680 --> 01:42:33,559
Speaker 1: poor financial shape, it actually predicted support for Hillary Clinton

1653
01:42:33,680 --> 01:42:36,639
Speaker 1: rather than support for Trump. So poor white working class

1654
01:42:36,680 --> 01:42:39,720
Speaker 1: folks that actually, just by itself, is more of a

1655
01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:42,000
Speaker 1: predictor for support for Clinton than it was support for Trump,

1656
01:42:42,040 --> 01:42:43,920
Speaker 1: which suggests that it wasn't that. The narrative that would

1657
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:45,519
Speaker 1: keep hearing out there is that it was all of

1658
01:42:45,560 --> 01:42:47,960
Speaker 1: these white working class people who felt left behind by

1659
01:42:47,960 --> 01:42:51,200
Speaker 1: the globalizing economy, They felt left behind by free trade,

1660
01:42:51,240 --> 01:42:54,680
Speaker 1: they felt left behind by the by Wall Street. And

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01:42:54,760 --> 01:42:56,479
Speaker 1: it wasn't so much that as a bunch of people

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01:42:56,520 --> 01:42:58,680
Speaker 1: who felt left behind by a country that Democrats are

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01:42:58,800 --> 01:43:02,240
Speaker 1: pushing that basically says that the white people are going

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01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:04,120
Speaker 1: to be a minority in the near future. And that's

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01:43:04,120 --> 01:43:07,640
Speaker 1: a wonderful thing. And we have to have sectarian concerns

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01:43:07,720 --> 01:43:12,360
Speaker 1: divide us among races, and multiculturalism has to be promulgated

1667
01:43:12,520 --> 01:43:16,040
Speaker 1: over assimilation, and men and women are were basically the

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01:43:16,240 --> 01:43:19,840
Speaker 1: polarizing politics and left led to Trump, not the economics

1669
01:43:20,120 --> 01:43:24,040
Speaker 1: of free markets, which is something different than than most

1670
01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:25,479
Speaker 1: people have been saying. For the past few months. We

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01:43:25,560 --> 01:43:28,040
Speaker 1: keep hearing from sort of the moderate Republican crowd that

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01:43:28,439 --> 01:43:31,440
Speaker 1: you know, Trump's victory is a is a victory for protectionism,

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01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:34,320
Speaker 1: it's a victory for government subsidies. It's a victory for

1674
01:43:34,360 --> 01:43:36,439
Speaker 1: bigger governments in all of these areas because Trump is

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01:43:36,439 --> 01:43:39,040
Speaker 1: in a traditional Republican and what the study suggests is

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01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:42,320
Speaker 1: actually no, not so much. What it actually suggests is

1677
01:43:42,360 --> 01:43:45,040
Speaker 1: that the victory for Trump is a victory against a

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01:43:45,160 --> 01:43:48,840
Speaker 1: leftist attempts to divide Americans by race, by class, bi

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01:43:48,920 --> 01:43:53,160
Speaker 1: sexual orientation, by sex, and also to to overthrow the

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01:43:53,240 --> 01:43:56,280
Speaker 1: notion of a common americanism we all share. So Trump

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01:43:56,400 --> 01:43:58,439
Speaker 1: is in a sense according to this study, and it

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01:43:58,520 --> 01:44:01,200
Speaker 1: also certainly makes sense. I think is as you describe

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01:44:01,280 --> 01:44:03,920
Speaker 1: what the various points are that it makes Trump is

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01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:07,640
Speaker 1: um is a backlash or perhaps more aptly put a

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01:44:07,960 --> 01:44:11,840
Speaker 1: a corrective to the progressive culture war that's been waged

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Speaker 1: for a long time. I think that's exactly right. And

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Speaker 1: I think that even you know, when you talk to

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Speaker 1: folks who voted for Trump, this seems like much more

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Speaker 1: of a pressing issue than carrass. I think that the

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Speaker 1: intelligencia constantly wants to try and intellectualize how these elections go,

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Speaker 1: and so they go, Okay, well, what policy did Trump

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Speaker 1: do differently than Romney? That would explain why Trump did

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Speaker 1: better than Romney in this election. And it must be terrorists,

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Speaker 1: it must be that he's in favor of the government,

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Speaker 1: it must be all of these other things. The reality

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Speaker 1: is that the reason that Trump did better than Romney

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01:44:40,640 --> 01:44:43,000
Speaker 1: is because Hillary was a worst camp than at than Obama.

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01:44:43,160 --> 01:44:45,799
Speaker 1: And second, we've already had another four years of Obama

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01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:48,559
Speaker 1: helping to polarize the country. And the more you polarize

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01:44:48,600 --> 01:44:50,600
Speaker 1: the country, the more people are going to react to

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01:44:50,640 --> 01:44:52,160
Speaker 1: that and say, listen, I don't feel like playing the

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01:44:52,200 --> 01:44:54,120
Speaker 1: bad guy in a little morality play that you've set

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01:44:54,160 --> 01:44:56,760
Speaker 1: up for us here. And also on immigration, which I

1704
01:44:56,880 --> 01:44:59,200
Speaker 1: know is one of the other areas that Trump from,

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01:44:59,280 --> 01:45:02,360
Speaker 1: clearly got a lot of residents with voters on immigration,

1706
01:45:02,479 --> 01:45:04,880
Speaker 1: but the reasons it seems to me maybe a little

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01:45:04,880 --> 01:45:07,640
Speaker 1: bit different, especially in light of of this study. But

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01:45:07,720 --> 01:45:09,640
Speaker 1: also I think this has been apparent for for a

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01:45:09,720 --> 01:45:13,599
Speaker 1: while on an intuitive level, that the rhetoric around Imma,

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01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:18,680
Speaker 1: specifically rhetoric around illegal immigration. Uh is annoying to people. Um,

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01:45:18,840 --> 01:45:21,599
Speaker 1: it's it's annoying to be told that you can't say illegal,

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01:45:21,640 --> 01:45:25,120
Speaker 1: that you have to say undocumented, undocumented person now or

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01:45:25,160 --> 01:45:27,280
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. You can't say illegal aliens. Certainly

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01:45:27,479 --> 01:45:29,680
Speaker 1: you can't say even illegal immigrant now. There, that's the

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01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:32,880
Speaker 1: PC police at work. And also things like doing the

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Speaker 1: jobs Americans won't do. This is a repeated talking point

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Speaker 1: on the left. But the bizarre implication of it, or

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01:45:39,400 --> 01:45:41,880
Speaker 1: it's not evenal an implication, it's just being said, is

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01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:44,000
Speaker 1: that Americans are lazy and think they're too good for

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01:45:44,080 --> 01:45:46,400
Speaker 1: certain jobs. I think Americans get sick of hearing that.

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Speaker 1: I think it's exactly right, and I think that when

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Speaker 1: it comes to legal imigration, one of the things that

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01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:52,880
Speaker 1: particularly irritated with is this idea that if you want

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01:45:52,880 --> 01:45:55,280
Speaker 1: to have a border, that if if you want to

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01:45:55,520 --> 01:45:58,479
Speaker 1: protect American culture from people who are coming in and

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01:45:58,560 --> 01:46:01,720
Speaker 1: not assimilating, that that's some bad and it's not even

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01:46:02,240 --> 01:46:03,720
Speaker 1: I think the lest wants to paint it like there's

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01:46:03,720 --> 01:46:05,160
Speaker 1: a bunch of people in Ohio are afraid of the

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01:46:05,320 --> 01:46:06,800
Speaker 1: little grants are gonna steal their job in Look, how

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01:46:06,840 --> 01:46:09,080
Speaker 1: stupid they are ha ha ha, But isn't that at all.

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01:46:09,120 --> 01:46:10,720
Speaker 1: It's this feeling that there are a bunch of people

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01:46:10,720 --> 01:46:12,640
Speaker 1: who are coming into the country who haven't assimilated to

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01:46:12,680 --> 01:46:14,960
Speaker 1: American values, and the left is insisting that they not

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01:46:15,080 --> 01:46:17,559
Speaker 1: assimilate to American values. That actually better if they don't

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01:46:17,600 --> 01:46:20,280
Speaker 1: assimilate to American values, because we don't want a melting pot.

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01:46:20,360 --> 01:46:22,720
Speaker 1: We want a bag of marbles. And everybody gets to

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01:46:22,760 --> 01:46:24,880
Speaker 1: be his own person, and we have a bunch of

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01:46:24,920 --> 01:46:27,200
Speaker 1: different cultures that all coexist, but we don't actually have

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01:46:27,320 --> 01:46:30,400
Speaker 1: to recognize any value to traditional American culture. That's what

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01:46:30,479 --> 01:46:33,360
Speaker 1: takes people off about illegal immigration, the idea that people

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01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:35,240
Speaker 1: aren't playing by the rules and everybody else has to

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01:46:35,280 --> 01:46:37,120
Speaker 1: play by the rule. That's what makes mangry. Not even

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01:46:37,160 --> 01:46:40,480
Speaker 1: the economic concern, and I think the hypocrisy of Democrats

1744
01:46:40,560 --> 01:46:44,840
Speaker 1: pushing for a massive regulatory state, all these little rules

1745
01:46:44,920 --> 01:46:47,160
Speaker 1: and orders that come out not even from Congress, but

1746
01:46:47,320 --> 01:46:50,360
Speaker 1: that's a problem too, but from the various federal agencies.

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01:46:50,640 --> 01:46:53,519
Speaker 1: Americans are expected to obey all of that because it's

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01:46:53,560 --> 01:46:55,479
Speaker 1: the law, or it's it's a regulation with the force

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01:46:55,560 --> 01:46:57,960
Speaker 1: of law. And then you'll have Democrats going on TV saying,

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01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:00,720
Speaker 1: come on, we don't want people in the shadows eagal immigration.

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01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:02,840
Speaker 1: So what if there's some document fraud and some other

1752
01:47:02,920 --> 01:47:05,320
Speaker 1: things that go into it too, not really a big deal.

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01:47:05,360 --> 01:47:07,240
Speaker 1: You don't want to break up families, do you. I

1754
01:47:07,320 --> 01:47:10,800
Speaker 1: think people understand at a very basic level that that

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01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:14,200
Speaker 1: is a double standard that they're sick of hearing about. Yeah,

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01:47:14,240 --> 01:47:16,920
Speaker 1: I totally agree, and I think that I think that again,

1757
01:47:17,320 --> 01:47:20,520
Speaker 1: the Trump movement was much more reaction to the excesses

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01:47:20,600 --> 01:47:23,800
Speaker 1: the left than it was a reaction on behalf of

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01:47:23,840 --> 01:47:27,479
Speaker 1: anything coherent in terms of economic policy, for example. And

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Speaker 1: that's why I always find a kind of laughable. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the study sort of confirms what I already believed, which

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01:47:31,240 --> 01:47:33,439
Speaker 1: is why I think it's true. I'm sure, but it's

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01:47:33,640 --> 01:47:36,880
Speaker 1: but it's it's also, as it's always been kind of

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01:47:36,960 --> 01:47:40,080
Speaker 1: laughable to put an intellectual gloss on a coherent Trump is.

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01:47:40,120 --> 01:47:42,000
Speaker 1: And because Trump is not a coherent figure, he doesn't

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01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:45,080
Speaker 1: have a coherent ideology. But what is coherent is the

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01:47:45,240 --> 01:47:47,960
Speaker 1: resistance to a leftist division of the universe that divides

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01:47:47,960 --> 01:47:51,080
Speaker 1: American from American. That is coherent. Yeah. I know that

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01:47:51,160 --> 01:47:54,360
Speaker 1: people use the he fights sometimes as a far too

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01:47:54,479 --> 01:47:56,479
Speaker 1: easy get out of jail free card for anything and

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01:47:56,520 --> 01:47:58,600
Speaker 1: everything that Trump would do or say. But I do

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01:47:58,720 --> 01:48:01,360
Speaker 1: think there's actually an underlying truth to that that people

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01:48:01,439 --> 01:48:04,320
Speaker 1: sometimes lose sight of, which is that, yeah, he does

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01:48:04,479 --> 01:48:07,240
Speaker 1: give a a hammer, at least in the media with

1775
01:48:07,360 --> 01:48:09,960
Speaker 1: which one can hit back at some of these excesses

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01:48:10,120 --> 01:48:12,280
Speaker 1: of the left. Whether that means anything on a policy

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01:48:12,360 --> 01:48:14,840
Speaker 1: level or not, I think still remains to be seen

1778
01:48:14,960 --> 01:48:17,559
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. But speaking of leftist overreach

1779
01:48:17,800 --> 01:48:20,120
Speaker 1: and everyone, we're speaking to Ben Shapiro. He's editor in

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01:48:20,200 --> 01:48:23,400
Speaker 1: chief of Daily Wire dot com and a syndicated columnist

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01:48:24,120 --> 01:48:26,400
Speaker 1: on Daily Wire. Ben, I've talked about this one on

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01:48:26,479 --> 01:48:28,720
Speaker 1: the show. I thought this story was fantastic, and I'm

1783
01:48:28,760 --> 01:48:31,439
Speaker 1: glad that that it's being covered. Uh, it's being covered

1784
01:48:31,439 --> 01:48:34,120
Speaker 1: in conservative media in a number of places now. About

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Speaker 1: Hypatia A journalist a journal of feminist philosophy. I've walked

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Speaker 1: people through the basics here of trans racialism and transgenderism.

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Speaker 1: But what I find so fascinating about this isn't just

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01:48:45,479 --> 01:48:49,840
Speaker 1: the search for heretics that is really at the heart

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01:48:49,920 --> 01:48:52,519
Speaker 1: of much of what modern academia, especially in this soft

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01:48:52,640 --> 01:48:56,120
Speaker 1: social sciences, are really about. But that the arguments actually

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01:48:56,120 --> 01:49:00,120
Speaker 1: a pretty good one, that transgenderism, transgenderism, and transracialism find

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01:49:00,200 --> 01:49:03,760
Speaker 1: up pretty well from a philosophical, philosophical perspective. Yeah, I

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01:49:03,760 --> 01:49:06,400
Speaker 1: mean the person who wrote this study, this professor, she

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01:49:06,600 --> 01:49:08,519
Speaker 1: she attempted over and over and over to say, I

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01:49:08,600 --> 01:49:11,519
Speaker 1: don't really mean the transgenderism and trans rationalism are the same,

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01:49:11,560 --> 01:49:16,960
Speaker 1: but they're sort of the same, right, you know, because

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01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:19,559
Speaker 1: they because they are. In fact, there's there's a much

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01:49:19,560 --> 01:49:22,200
Speaker 1: stronger case to be ready made for transracialism than there

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01:49:22,280 --> 01:49:24,600
Speaker 1: is to be made for transgenderism. And the idea that

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Speaker 1: that sex is somehow less, that the sex system how

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01:49:28,520 --> 01:49:33,080
Speaker 1: more malleable than race, is ridiculous. There's no genetic distinction

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01:49:33,320 --> 01:49:37,320
Speaker 1: in any serious sense between the between black people and

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01:49:37,400 --> 01:49:39,880
Speaker 1: white people other than levels of melanin in the skin.

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01:49:40,320 --> 01:49:44,080
Speaker 1: And you know, they yet to identify when when you

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01:49:44,160 --> 01:49:46,320
Speaker 1: talk about Barack Obama as a black guy, right, he's

1806
01:49:46,320 --> 01:49:49,439
Speaker 1: half black, he's half white. Okay, Well, how much is

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01:49:49,520 --> 01:49:52,559
Speaker 1: he separate in terms of race from somebody who's entirely

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01:49:52,600 --> 01:49:54,800
Speaker 1: white or somebody who's entirely black. I mean, he's just

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01:49:54,880 --> 01:49:57,080
Speaker 1: a separate from someone who's entirely white, as someone who's

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01:49:57,160 --> 01:49:59,960
Speaker 1: entirely black, but he's considered black, meaning that from societ

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01:50:00,080 --> 01:50:02,360
Speaker 1: these perspective, race is to a certain extense of social

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01:50:02,439 --> 01:50:06,600
Speaker 1: construct re growing arbitrary lines around certain percentages of ancestry

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01:50:07,040 --> 01:50:11,599
Speaker 1: that are quite malleable and don't have tremendous ramifications for behavior,

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01:50:11,640 --> 01:50:13,479
Speaker 1: which is certainly not true with sex, right, Sex is

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01:50:13,520 --> 01:50:16,559
Speaker 1: not malleable, and it has incredible ramifications for behavior. Men

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01:50:16,600 --> 01:50:18,760
Speaker 1: and women are incredibly different. For anyone who's never met

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01:50:18,800 --> 01:50:20,680
Speaker 1: a man or a woman, they're very different. So the

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01:50:20,840 --> 01:50:23,679
Speaker 1: idea that that you can shift your sex and that's

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01:50:23,720 --> 01:50:26,439
Speaker 1: totally fine. Caitlyn Jenner, who is genetically a man, is

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01:50:26,560 --> 01:50:28,240
Speaker 1: it can be a woman, and we're all supposed to

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01:50:28,240 --> 01:50:29,720
Speaker 1: sit here and go, oh, I guess that's right. I

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01:50:29,800 --> 01:50:32,680
Speaker 1: guess the Catalan Jenners a woman now. But Rachel dolas All,

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01:50:32,880 --> 01:50:36,160
Speaker 1: who is a white woman, cannot be a black woman. Again,

1824
01:50:36,320 --> 01:50:39,479
Speaker 1: the philosophically consistent position here would be Rachel Dolan's All

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01:50:39,479 --> 01:50:41,320
Speaker 1: cannot be a black woman because she's not black, has

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01:50:41,360 --> 01:50:43,679
Speaker 1: no black ancestry, is not a black person in any

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01:50:44,160 --> 01:50:46,160
Speaker 1: sense of the in any sense of the term. She's

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01:50:46,200 --> 01:50:50,920
Speaker 1: adopted some cultural harm allmarks supposedly of black living. But

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01:50:51,000 --> 01:50:53,519
Speaker 1: that doesn't make her black, you know that, and neither

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01:50:53,560 --> 01:50:56,240
Speaker 1: from Caitlyn Jender that that would be philosophically consistent. But

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01:50:56,280 --> 01:50:58,880
Speaker 1: it's wildly inconsistent to say that people can shift their

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01:50:58,880 --> 01:51:01,599
Speaker 1: sex but they can't shift their So it's just silly. Yeah,

1833
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Speaker 1: in this story as well, and for everyone listening. I

1834
01:51:04,760 --> 01:51:06,040
Speaker 1: know we talked about in the show in case you

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01:51:06,080 --> 01:51:09,760
Speaker 1: missed it, a female professor, I think an assistant professor uh,

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01:51:09,920 --> 01:51:13,560
Speaker 1: published an essay in a peer reviewed academic journal that

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01:51:13,880 --> 01:51:18,160
Speaker 1: was likening trend from a philosophical perspective, at least walking

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Speaker 1: down the pathway of whether transgenderism and trans racialism i e.

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01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:26,639
Speaker 1: You can race is an it's a state of mind essentially,

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01:51:26,720 --> 01:51:29,800
Speaker 1: like tan, like gender has become a state of mind. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And she has been roundly criticized, pilloried, attack from all

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01:51:34,400 --> 01:51:36,720
Speaker 1: all different corners in the left results. It was a

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01:51:36,800 --> 01:51:39,800
Speaker 1: peer review journal, and now the peer review journal has

1844
01:51:39,880 --> 01:51:41,960
Speaker 1: pulled her research because they say that what was it?

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01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:44,360
Speaker 1: What's the line better that it's violence or a form

1846
01:51:44,400 --> 01:51:48,880
Speaker 1: of violence. Uh, it's it's a epistom What was it?

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01:51:49,200 --> 01:51:53,760
Speaker 1: Something about violence? Apisthemic violence, Yes, epistemic violence. Ye, it's

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01:51:53,760 --> 01:51:57,160
Speaker 1: just it's just the athinine. But again, the claim that

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01:51:57,240 --> 01:51:59,200
Speaker 1: it was epistemic violence is based on the fact that

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01:51:59,320 --> 01:52:02,519
Speaker 1: in this paper she didn't she she called Bruce Caitlin

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01:52:02,560 --> 01:52:05,320
Speaker 1: general at one point Bruce Jenner talking about before the transition,

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01:52:07,479 --> 01:52:09,880
Speaker 1: and that she dead named him, right, for people don't

1853
01:52:09,880 --> 01:52:11,559
Speaker 1: know how dead naming is. The idea is that once

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01:52:11,600 --> 01:52:13,600
Speaker 1: you transition, we can never again mention the fact that

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01:52:13,640 --> 01:52:15,960
Speaker 1: you spent the vast majority of your life living under

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01:52:16,160 --> 01:52:18,599
Speaker 1: this other name. Bruce Jenner just disappears from the roles

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01:52:18,640 --> 01:52:22,080
Speaker 1: of history. Bruce Jenner is actually dead. He's dead, right,

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01:52:22,439 --> 01:52:24,720
Speaker 1: he doesn't exist anymore. So we can't say Bruce Jenner

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01:52:24,760 --> 01:52:27,280
Speaker 1: without saying the late Bruce Jenner. I suppose so, But

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01:52:27,560 --> 01:52:29,879
Speaker 1: that was a reason to pull up here reviewed academic

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01:52:29,920 --> 01:52:33,839
Speaker 1: paper that was philosophically sound. Again, and this is also insane,

1862
01:52:33,960 --> 01:52:35,960
Speaker 1: but the left is insane. They've lost their minds and

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01:52:35,960 --> 01:52:38,120
Speaker 1: they're going to destroy anybody who disagrees with them, not

1864
01:52:38,200 --> 01:52:40,880
Speaker 1: on scientific grounds but on philosophical grounds, which it looks

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01:52:40,960 --> 01:52:43,840
Speaker 1: the same thing that happened with Bilmida Science Guy on

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01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:47,719
Speaker 1: Netflix after he did his whole Gender is a Spectrum routine.

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01:52:47,920 --> 01:52:50,920
Speaker 1: They went back to his show from the Nines on Netflix,

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01:52:50,960 --> 01:52:54,000
Speaker 1: and they pulled an entire segment that said that gender

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01:52:54,120 --> 01:52:56,679
Speaker 1: is not a spectrum, that sex is chromosome only determined.

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01:52:56,920 --> 01:52:59,160
Speaker 1: They actually just cut it right out. It doesn't exist

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01:52:59,240 --> 01:53:04,160
Speaker 1: anymore now in we'renell living in Stalin's scientific Russia, where

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01:53:04,520 --> 01:53:06,439
Speaker 1: the future is known and the future is just left

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01:53:06,520 --> 01:53:08,280
Speaker 1: is them. But the history is always changing because we

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01:53:08,320 --> 01:53:11,360
Speaker 1: have to whitewash everything that came before. Yeah, it's very Soviet.

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01:53:11,560 --> 01:53:13,479
Speaker 1: It truly is. In fact that in the Soviet archives

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01:53:13,520 --> 01:53:15,200
Speaker 1: it was when people would go in with with razors

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01:53:15,280 --> 01:53:18,000
Speaker 1: and removed names from hard copies of things to really

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01:53:18,080 --> 01:53:20,200
Speaker 1: make sure that they never existed or they never worked

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01:53:20,240 --> 01:53:22,600
Speaker 1: for the organization, or whatever the case may be. And

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01:53:22,920 --> 01:53:25,760
Speaker 1: the Left has embraced some similar tactics here, except there

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01:53:25,760 --> 01:53:28,640
Speaker 1: doing it with Netflix. Um. Ben Shapiir Everybody's editor in

1882
01:53:28,760 --> 01:53:30,800
Speaker 1: chief of Daily wire dot com. It's a great site.

1883
01:53:30,840 --> 01:53:33,240
Speaker 1: Go to daily wire dot com and read his latest

1884
01:53:33,320 --> 01:53:35,760
Speaker 1: and check out the Ben Shapiro Show as well. Ben,

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01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:38,160
Speaker 1: thanks for making the time. Good to have you. Thanks

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01:53:38,160 --> 01:53:43,280
Speaker 1: so much, appreciate it. Welcome back, everybody. We've got Heather

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01:53:43,479 --> 01:53:47,000
Speaker 1: McDonald on the line. She's a Manhattan Institute Senior fellow

1888
01:53:47,120 --> 01:53:50,639
Speaker 1: and author of the War on Cops Book of Vilman

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01:53:50,640 --> 01:53:52,920
Speaker 1: find bookstores on Amazon. Heather, thank you so much for

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01:53:52,960 --> 01:53:55,240
Speaker 1: giving us some time. Oh my pleasure Bucks. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Let the police police. You say, also, you write this

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Speaker 1: in a national review. Tell me a bit about what

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Speaker 1: that means in the current climate. Well, what it means is, UH,

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Speaker 1: get rid of the false narrative that says that proactive

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Speaker 1: policing is racist and oppressive UH to law abiding residents

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Speaker 1: of high crime areas. Proactive policing is the thing that

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Speaker 1: that cops should do in between one calls. Rather than

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Speaker 1: simply responding to a crime after the fact, they should

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Speaker 1: be trying to avert a crime by paying attention to

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Speaker 1: suspicious behavior, asking a few questions, getting out of their

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Speaker 1: cop car at one am to question somebody standing on

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Speaker 1: a known drug corner, hitching up his waistband as if

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Speaker 1: he has a gun, or responding to street disorder, public disorder,

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Speaker 1: those large groups of teens hanging out on street corners, fighting, UH,

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Speaker 1: dealing drugs. It's out of those knots of disorder that

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Speaker 1: drive by shootings emerged. But today cops are reluctant to

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Speaker 1: engage in that type of policing because they are routinely

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Speaker 1: denounced as racist for doing so, even though the reason

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Speaker 1: that they are trying to quell public disorder is because

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Speaker 1: that's what the law abiding residents of minority neighborhoods begged

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Speaker 1: them to do. What is this study out about the

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Speaker 1: FBI by the FBI that shows that police are quote

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Speaker 1: scared and demoralized because of public criticism. I can tell

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Speaker 1: us about this well, the FBI was the one agency

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Speaker 1: within the Obama administration that actually understood what was going

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Speaker 1: on with policing and crime in the country. Uh FBI

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Speaker 1: Director James Comey gave a fabulous speech in October at

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Speaker 1: the Chicago Law School warning about what he called the

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Speaker 1: chill wind blowing through law enforcement as a result of

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Speaker 1: the specious Black Lives Matter movement. And recently a internal

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Speaker 1: study that the FBI did that looked at the really

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Speaker 1: horrifying rise in cop assassinations last year was leaked, and

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Speaker 1: that study came to the conclusion that the Black Lives

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Speaker 1: Matter narrative that says that policing is lethally racist is

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Speaker 1: not surprisingly having an effect on what officers encounter in

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Speaker 1: the streets. That's it's creating just horrible levels of hatred, animosity,

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Speaker 1: and resistance, and it is also leading some people to

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Speaker 1: kill or try to kill cops. And what's this about

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Speaker 1: Wisconsin students demanding control over the cops. This is a

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Speaker 1: University of Wisconsin with Wisconsin Madison, that's right, yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is just another example of the complete ignorance on

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Speaker 1: the part of activists and protesters, UH, with regards to

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Speaker 1: inner city crime, with regards to disorder. The campus police

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Speaker 1: arrested a student who had been engaged in a persistent

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Speaker 1: campaign of destructive graffiti vandalism, UH spray painting the usual

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Speaker 1: f the cops on campus property, causing four thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: of damage, and the cops arrested him rightly, So UH,

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Speaker 1: there is there are few things that more destroy urban

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Speaker 1: civility and the viability of cities than graffiti. But the

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Speaker 1: students are claiming that because the student was black, the

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Speaker 1: only reason that he was arrested was the bias of

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Speaker 1: the cops. This is just completely fiction, but it is

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Speaker 1: what students are being taught to believe about law enforcement

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Speaker 1: by their professors previously, by the Obama administration, UH, and

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Speaker 1: by the mainstream Media. Heather mcdonaldman had an Institute senior

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Speaker 1: fellow and author of The War on Cops. Heather, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for joining me. Appreciate it. Thank you.

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