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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Ozone Podcast with Jaguars senior writer John Oser.

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Speaker 1: All Right, welcome into this week's Ozone podcast. I am,

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Speaker 1: of course, John Hosier, and I'm joined by a very

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Speaker 1: familiar face and name the Jaguars fans, Pete Prisco Cbs.

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Speaker 1: And we're here at the NFL Owners meeting. What number

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Speaker 1: of owners meeting is this for you? I know you

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Speaker 1: can count your combine the owner's meetings goes back even

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Speaker 1: further because you were doing it. Oh it does when

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Speaker 1: you're covering expansion.

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Speaker 2: Let's see, I probably started going to the owners meetings.

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Speaker 1: And and you spent six years to standing around lobbies

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Speaker 1: waiting for every everyone.

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Speaker 2: And it wasn't just this one. We went to the

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Speaker 2: spring one, and there was a fall one. We had

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Speaker 2: to go to that one too, So it was three

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Speaker 2: per year. And it was yeah, so fifteen probably leading

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Speaker 2: into the teams, maybe eighteen leading into the team getting there,

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Speaker 2: and then one a year after.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever imagine in a million years, because you

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Speaker 1: don't think this way, that when you're standing in those hallways,

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Speaker 1: you'd be talking about the Jaguars maybe having a second stadium.

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Speaker 2: Like you know, that should have happened a long time, right, But.

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Speaker 1: It's been that long You've now seen a generation, because

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Speaker 1: really age in the NFL is now like how many

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Speaker 1: what stadium is a team on? And now are you're

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Speaker 1: that far into it getting ready to retire?

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Speaker 2: Not just that the generation of fans is sure, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they've changed. Don't retire me. I'm not retiring.

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Speaker 1: I said we, Oh, we're not retiring. I may retire

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Speaker 1: for you to you.

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Speaker 2: Probably will because I'm one of those guys that if

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Speaker 2: I retire, I think I croak.

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Speaker 1: What are you gonna do? So well? And here we

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Speaker 1: are now in year three of Doug Peterson, year four

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Speaker 1: of Trent Balky. The off season clearly to me feels

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Speaker 1: like a reset break down the off season right now?

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Speaker 1: Are they a better team now than they were at

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Speaker 1: the end of last season? Long?

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Speaker 2: They're better? They're better. Well, they're better because the quarterbacks healthy.

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Speaker 2: That's first and foremost. And I think he was hurt

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Speaker 2: far worse than they let on at the end of

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Speaker 2: last season. That's that was evident, And I think first

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Speaker 2: and foremost that makes them a better team. Are they

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Speaker 2: better on the offensive line? Yes, because Mitch Morrise will

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Speaker 2: be the starting center. Is he a great player. Is

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Speaker 2: a power player, No, but he's a good player and

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Speaker 2: he's better and he knows what to do how to

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Speaker 2: do it. You know, he's not look I beat up

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Speaker 2: on Fortner a little bit, but Fortner stood straight up

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Speaker 2: he wasn't strong enough. This kid knows how to play

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Speaker 2: the angles to make it work. He's not a strong

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Speaker 2: center either, but he's smart. So they're gonna be better

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Speaker 2: on the offensive line because of him. I think getting

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Speaker 2: Harrison into his second year will make him better. He'll understand,

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Speaker 2: like in the run blocking, he never was that good

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Speaker 2: the angles. He'll be better at it, so that'll be

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Speaker 2: better wide receiver. I think probably if they're healthy, they're better.

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Speaker 2: That is the problem. Last day they were never healthy.

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Speaker 1: If they can get on the same page at wide receiver,

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Speaker 1: I think there's a school of thought. I said all

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Speaker 1: on they should have resigned Calvin Ridley. I wanted that

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Speaker 1: to happen for them, but you had You had to

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Speaker 1: draw the line at a price, and I don't think

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Speaker 1: they could go that high.

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Speaker 2: But there understand the price not going that high.

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Speaker 1: There is a school of thought, though, and I think

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Speaker 1: I believe this that the offense when it was healthy

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Speaker 1: and you had Marvin Jones and Christian Kirk and Evan

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Speaker 1: Ingram and Za Jones all healthy, all going, this offense

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Speaker 1: operated okay and it was efficient. If you just say

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Speaker 1: in that equation that gave Davis place in Marvin Jones,

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Speaker 1: is this core that much worse than that?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: So I mean, and I think they will work like this.

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Speaker 2: They will add to it. I would It wouldn't astound

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Speaker 2: me to see him add to it in the first round.

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Speaker 1: By the way, people, I'd be stunned. He here's at seventeen.

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Speaker 2: Here's why the corner. The top two corners, the Mitchell

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Speaker 2: kid from Toledo and Arnold from Alabama both might be

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Speaker 2: gone by the time they pick. Untackled a great fit, right,

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Speaker 2: and he's a good man player, so he would fit

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Speaker 2: from that standpoint, But he doesn't tackle that well. It's

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Speaker 2: a knock on him. So then you're dropping down that

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Speaker 2: you're forcing a corner pick there, whereas you could sit

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Speaker 2: who's going to be around when Trevor's around to be

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Speaker 2: a generational quarter because you don't have that now.

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Speaker 1: But if they do that, what are they gonna do

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Speaker 2: Then you come back in the second round, you take it, okay,

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Speaker 2: because you can go wide receiver, corner, corner, wide receiver.

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Speaker 1: See I see corners in knee. I'm just looking at

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Speaker 1: corner as in need because of not only this year,

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Speaker 1: but you don't know if Tyson Campbell's coming back.

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Speaker 2: Is the number one need. There's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 2: But I'm saying if the two top guys are gone,

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Speaker 2: forcing number three. Rather than take a wide receiver, I

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Speaker 2: think it could be a generational wide receiver. And I'll

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Speaker 2: give you the Thomas Kidd from LSU, six foot three,

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Speaker 2: runs like a deer. He's probably best football is in

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Speaker 1: They haven't had that guy in a while.

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Speaker 2: No, so, and if you think about the big picture,

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Speaker 2: you can't always okay, you can't always think about right now.

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Speaker 2: You have to look at you have a generational quarterback,

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Speaker 2: three or four years, Kirk's probably not gonna be there,

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Speaker 2: if you can get that guy, that's all one theory

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Speaker 2: of putting out there. I would lean to one of

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Speaker 2: the corners. I'd probably lean to Arnold and Mitchell, which

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Speaker 2: everyone is there if I could get one. If I

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Speaker 2: can't get one, I'm looking at wide receiver. People talk

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Speaker 2: about defensive line. Yeah they need a big defensive lineman,

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Speaker 2: but they don't. They got Armstead they don't need. If

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Speaker 2: Hamilton comes back, I think Hamilton will be fine. You

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Speaker 2: get his weight back. He's gonna be fine. So you

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Speaker 2: have a nice four up front, so you don't really

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Speaker 2: need that. I think the needs are corner immediately, wide

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Speaker 1: Rod sneaky need too. I would say offensive line there

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Speaker 2: What what do you take there? Though? Tackle? Yeah, they're

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Speaker 2: not gonna take are not gonna take a center there?

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Speaker 1: If you no if a tackle, I suppose this is

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Speaker 1: a really good offensive line draft for tackle. If it's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a couple of guys. The Washington kid Fatano

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Speaker 2: the look of guys who are right tackles but would

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Speaker 2: be immediate guard starters, right, So you could do it

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Speaker 2: from that safe. The only problem is they're physical. They're big,

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Speaker 2: power guys in their offense. That's not that's not what

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Speaker 2: they do right, So it would be in trouble to

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Speaker 2: play them.

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Speaker 1: But if you're watching the interior of this line play

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Speaker 1: last year, you wouldn't mind a big, physical guy.

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Speaker 2: No, And you need to write you need a right

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Speaker 2: guard particularly, it's not just for this year, for the future.

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Speaker 2: But you're talking about drafting the tackle, letting Robinson and

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Speaker 2: Little out the door and moving Harrison over to left

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Speaker 2: tackle or the other kid played left tackle for the future,

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Speaker 2: which makes sense.

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Speaker 1: I guess I'm just talking that with Trevor and with

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Speaker 1: you know, I think the offensive line, I think I

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Speaker 1: think what Doug said on Monday morning is right. I

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Speaker 1: think the offensive line would be better with Mitch Morris.

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Speaker 1: With continuity. It would not bother me to see this

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Speaker 1: team just take the attitude if we're going to invest yearly,

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Speaker 1: somewhere on day one or two in that position and

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Speaker 1: continue to be strong.

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Speaker 2: I would do that.

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Speaker 1: It's been a thing where it's felt like we could

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Speaker 1: be a little better, we could be a little better.

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Speaker 1: Just get strong there, right, And I know you can't

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Speaker 1: do that every year, but philosophically, I would not have

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Speaker 1: a problem with that approach. Considering that Harrison was the

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Speaker 1: first first round offensive lineman they had taken since Fortner

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Speaker 1: back in fourteen. It's a long time to go without

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Speaker 1: having elite there, and they had not Fortner. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: Anton Harris, Yeah, since Luke jokel Yeah, in fourteen. That's

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Speaker 1: nine years between first round offensive linemen and I get there.

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Speaker 1: There's some other things you have to do that, but

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Speaker 1: somewhere you every five years it feels like you need

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Speaker 2: Or up there. Yeah, I would. I would consider offensive

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Speaker 2: but I wouldn't sit him. I play him right, He's

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Speaker 2: gonna be a guard. He's gonna be my right guard. Sorry,

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Speaker 2: can't see them doing that though.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I could also see a scenario. You know,

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Speaker 1: Cam Robinson, the cap number is still there, you draft,

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Speaker 1: the cap being a situation. Then you've got that linemap. Understand.

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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think that they that they want to

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Speaker 1: do that. If the draft forces their hand, that could

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Speaker 2: See here, here's the problem with that scenario. Okay, it's

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Speaker 2: not the problem, but this is the the X factor

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Speaker 2: in that scenario. That means you're emitting. You blew the

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Speaker 2: Walker little pick.

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Speaker 1: Well, it feels like him not starting is already sort

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Speaker 1: of admitting that. Yeah, I mean what if if the

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Speaker 1: admission is there. I don't know that there's a big

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Speaker 1: difference between doing what we're talking about and not starting it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they talked about last year. Well when I said

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Speaker 2: mentioned that, and well, you know he could he could play,

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Speaker 2: he could beat that, you know if they get rid

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Speaker 2: of Cam Robinson. Well they didn't get rid of Cam

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Speaker 2: Robbins brought him back and so Walker Little went. The

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Speaker 2: garden didn't look comfortable there, and from what I hear,

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Speaker 2: he didn't like it there, So what what do you

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Speaker 2: second round pick as a blown pig. I'll say it.

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Speaker 2: I mean those are those are things that I get

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Speaker 2: what you're saying, and you can flip it forward that

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Speaker 2: it from that standpoint, you you blew that pick. So

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Speaker 2: and growing picks is where you have to do these things.

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Speaker 2: That's the problem. Ultimately you're gonna Ultimately you're gonna have

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Speaker 2: to get rid of high priced guys. That's just the

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Speaker 2: Now you get you grab one of the other guys

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Speaker 2: It's definitely the weakest link thing because and I'll give

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Speaker 2: So the guy makes the tackle and all of them

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Eric Armstead, I'm always a little gun shy when

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Speaker 2: because he's a big, physical, power player. Here's what else

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Speaker 2: That's that's what they're getting from it. That's exactly that signing.

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Speaker 1: And how much do you put because clearly from listening

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that's because they be.

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Speaker 1: For homegrown culture.

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Speaker 1: If you can't get it.

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Speaker 2: we've been in this spot before and we've lost super Bowls.

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Speaker 2: knows what it's like to not get there, and this

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Speaker 1: Looking at it right now, I haven't drafted yet. How

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Speaker 2: They're probably a little I didn't think they played that

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Speaker 1: To be honest with you, but they were to me.

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Speaker 2: Like I thought they would, right, And so I still

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Speaker 1: And it's it's so much Pete, and you know, I

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Speaker 2: Well, but that was the whole idea. You drafted the

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Speaker 1: That was the point, right, and that sort of came back,

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Speaker 2: And I think you know, their run defense had issues,

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Speaker 2: there's still some issues. For example, Luakon's a good player,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he traded up to get him, and he's got

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Speaker 2: Well. Saints did it when they were like hybrid. I guess,

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Speaker 2: But what I want to know is on third and five,

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Speaker 1: That's why you gotta draft corners, which.

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Speaker 2: my you know. And that's not a slight on those guys.

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Speaker 2: Say they're gonna be good saying I think Antonio Johnson's

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Speaker 2: he was one athlete. He showed up weekend and weekend.

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Speaker 1: Right, it's hard. It's hard to see right now three

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Speaker 1: corners that you love.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's say guys, let's say they draft Arnold right,

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Speaker 2: who plays inside in the nickel?

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Speaker 1: Probably whoever you're drafting third or fourth round. Well, okay,

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Speaker 1: so oh so you're saying Arnold or Darby, I don't.

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Speaker 2: Know, he's not inside guy.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: So it's just so there's so many that that nickel

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Speaker 2: Lea and then Nichol is is on the field, sixty

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Speaker 2: five percent of the.

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Speaker 1: Nicholas become a tough, tough, tough spot in Ellie. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because it's I'll tell.

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Speaker 2: You a lot. Draft Mikey Sanderstroll from Michigan in the

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Speaker 2: third round and he'll be a nickel. That will be

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you he will be a star nickel. You

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Speaker 2: will love him well.

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Speaker 1: The strong school thought that your nickel is best as

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Speaker 1: a five or six year guy because of how much

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Speaker 1: experience it takes.

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Speaker 2: While you're rolling your eyes over there, Mikey Sanderstrom from

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Speaker 2: Michigan will be one of the star corners in three

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Speaker 2: years in this league. And as a nickel corner. You

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Speaker 2: know how Mike Hilton is for the Bengals, how he

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Speaker 2: makes all those big plays and there's a lot of scrimmage.

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Speaker 2: That's what Jacksonville needs. They needed. Can't have the guy

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Speaker 2: who can't cover anybody.

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Speaker 1: You've been saying that since nineteen ninety five. You've been

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Speaker 1: saying a lot of things. This nineteen ninety five Tete,

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Speaker 1: I can talk to you all day. It's the NFL

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Speaker 1: owners means you got to cut this short. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for joining us one podcast. We'd have you on every week.

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Speaker 2: I love talking to you, Budy.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that