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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Tuesday, August twenty six. Welcome

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Speaker 3: Hey, guys, Wendy from Kansas City, want to call in

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Speaker 3: on the Maxwell topic. With her being in minimum security,

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Speaker 3: with all the alleged mishaps with Ebstein, don't you find

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Speaker 3: it ironic that she's now in minimum security? I kind

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Speaker 3: of think of, holy cow, you're a sitting duck, and

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Speaker 3: I just think the possibilities are endless. And what could

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Speaker 3: they say she was in minimum security?

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Speaker 4: What do you think?

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Speaker 2: Listen, didn't we mention this the other night a little bit?

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Speaker 2: We touched upon this, you know, so I don't know

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Speaker 2: how to phrase it, but boy, do I get it? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: because listen, either she's getting a kind of a part in.

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Speaker 5: Sort of a cushy deal, not really a part in,

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Speaker 5: but look.

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Speaker 2: You can and you know, Rome, you're not, you know,

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Speaker 2: you're not in a high security prison like she was prior,

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Speaker 2: or does that make her a sitting duck and easy

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Speaker 2: access if somebody wants to do something very bad to her.

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Speaker 2: Not that we're suggesting that should happen. I'm only suggesting

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Speaker 2: that she should be in prison for the sex crimes

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Speaker 2: she committed.

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Speaker 5: That's it.

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Speaker 2: But that is a really interesting point and yes, that

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Speaker 2: we've had a.

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Speaker 5: Lot of chatter about it. What do you guys think?

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Speaker 6: Well, I kind of thought, maybe you know that it

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Speaker 6: was silly to think that because she's in this minimum

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Speaker 6: security prison, people who are in those kinds of facilities

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Speaker 6: aren't committing murder. But then my conspiracy brain got turned

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Speaker 6: on by what are you talking about?

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Speaker 5: And see himself? Why we was allegedly allegedly alleged.

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Speaker 2: But she's in like this minimum security yeah, where anybody

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Speaker 2: can walk off the street practically.

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Speaker 5: No, I'm telling you if there was a.

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Speaker 2: To a prison movie where there's uh an assassin and

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Speaker 2: somebody has to you abandoned cartwheel and they come through

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Speaker 2: the prison. But that's how loose of a goose this

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Speaker 2: prison is. But they're not breaking in like the kool

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Speaker 2: Aid man. Okay, maybe maybe more like I don't know,

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Speaker 2: Mission impossible or born identity.

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Speaker 7: You've lasers in your brain, and I know I hear

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Speaker 7: the perspective of the talk back totally. However, people from

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Speaker 7: up on high love what she was saying. I have

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Speaker 7: to imagine since she is saying she never saw any

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Speaker 7: man act in any way that was could be judged

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Speaker 7: poorly from any woman of any age, So that's like

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Speaker 7: mana from heaven. I think she's pretty safe from Well,

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Speaker 7: she might be.

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Speaker 2: Safe to President Trump and President Clinton for example, who

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Speaker 2: she was asked about specifically, but maybe not the royal family,

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Speaker 2: any other people out there who may have a bone

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Speaker 2: to pick and can't really listen. I'm not suggesting that

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Speaker 2: anything should happen to her. I am a peaceful human. However,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of people that are potentially mixed into

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Speaker 5: And let's be real, she's a bit of a wild card,

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Speaker 5: that's true. I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I just don't think she's in any danger. That's just

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Speaker 2: So thanks for back speaking of Hi, I'm just.

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Speaker 8: Maybe I've actually missed something. But if great Net has

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Speaker 8: been convicted of this crime, why does she say she

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Speaker 8: should be pardoned or let out or whatever? Because a

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Speaker 8: document there is no list, so what we're convicted?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but doesn't that go back to this agreement that

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Speaker 6: Epstein had, this non prosecutorial agreement that Epstein had in Florida, right,

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Speaker 6: This is what many years before so many and in Florida,

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Speaker 2: And you know, technically she feels maybe she falls into that,

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Speaker 2: or she's also just saying I'm innocent.

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Speaker 7: Well, she is saying that. I mean, she is insisting

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Speaker 7: in the recent interview that she did there was no

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Speaker 7: wrongdoing that happened, and also she never saw, witnessed, or

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Speaker 7: and even her prosecutor has gone on record saying that

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Speaker 7: it's a quote scapegoat effort. So the reason she's asking

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Speaker 7: innocent and wrongfully convicted.

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Speaker 2: So two hundred plus women who were you know, victims

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Speaker 2: of this island in Jeffrey Epstein and his beloved partner

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Speaker 2: in crime.

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Speaker 5: Dare we say, Giley Maxwell, it was all.

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Speaker 2: Bunch of everybody was just against them, and it was

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Speaker 2: all a bunch of noise, according to Glaine and her attorney,

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Speaker 2: And why in the world would we believe her. Why

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Speaker 5: I don't know. I'm royal we you speak of? But

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Speaker 5: who like blank Stairs, even like Sam and Adam.

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Speaker 2: I'm so impressed you were like not I yes, I

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Speaker 2: like look at the resistance.

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Speaker 5: You guys were like all the resistance right there. I

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Speaker 10: Do we hear the people sing.

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Speaker 5: I don't believe her? I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I mean I don't believe her about Clinton, and I

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Speaker 2: Isn't Trump the one that said that Clinton himself was

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Speaker 5: I'm paraphrasing, but.

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Speaker 6: I didn't put it say Trump was in the files

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Speaker 5: I just don't. I don't believe anything. It's wild from

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Speaker 5: any of them. But if I can't.

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Speaker 2: Believe that, what else can't we believe? And I guess

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Speaker 6: Well, and that's where we are in this country right now,

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Speaker 6: right this is where we are.

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Speaker 7: Well, where we are in this very second is on

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Speaker 5: Give us a call eighty to eighty three to one crime.

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Speaker 5: I'm Courtney Armstrong.

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Speaker 7: I am here as always with Stephanie Leidecker and body

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Speaker 7: move in and tonight is talked back Tuesday, yep, and

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Speaker 7: we are talking about Gleane Maxwell, or more specifically, you

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Speaker 7: guys are. So let's go ahead and play the next one.

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Speaker 11: Hey, y'all, this is Silligan from forward. I'm fired of

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Speaker 11: about this Maxwell transcript. So what are your thoughts about

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Speaker 11: her saying she didn't do anything wrong? Trump is perfect,

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Speaker 11: Bill Clinton wasn't involved, and then Trump saying this is

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Speaker 11: a democratic hoax, just disrespecting the victims. And then the

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Speaker 11: lady who spoke out that's in the cushy person that

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Speaker 11: she's at, spoke out about her and then got moved

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Speaker 5: What is even happening?

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Speaker 11: I'm losing my mind.

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Speaker 5: Please wait while you're.

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Speaker 2: Thinking, I mean, all of victims too are having a really,

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Speaker 2: really tough time too. They're also putting their lives at risk.

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Speaker 2: They've come out publicly, their faces have been seen by

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Speaker 2: so many. Imagine and now your person, the person who

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Speaker 6: No sweat did talk back mentioned something about one of

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Speaker 6: the victims was in a cushy prison and then got

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Speaker 5: Who I'm not sure it's a former.

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Speaker 7: I'm just I'm looking it up now because that certainly

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Speaker 7: least is according to Yahoo News, that yeah, a former

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Speaker 7: inmate at a cushy prison camp. She claimed she was

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Speaker 7: spoken out against Elaine Maxwell. Who oh, forty four year

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Speaker 7: old Julie Howell in fact, and this is per the

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Speaker 7: disgusted by Gillaine Maxwell's transfer, and a couple of hours

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Speaker 6: Holy mackerel, I didn't see. I love the talkbacks they're

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Speaker 6: telling us what's going on. I didn't know that happened.

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Speaker 6: So was she was she at the facility that Gilaine

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Speaker 6: got transferred to. Correct and she was like, I want

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Speaker 6: this woman here. She's dirty or whatever, and she gets

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Speaker 2: Yeah, think nothing's up in there unless we're gonna have

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Speaker 2: to talk. I'm looking over my shoulder right now, because

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Speaker 6: There has to be a reason like there. Does it

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Speaker 6: the Daily Mail article that you're reading, Courtney have any

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Speaker 2: Not what I'm saying now, her superpowering super power she

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Speaker 5: Happened in real time? Right? Yeah? Nothing.

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Speaker 7: I mean, honestly, we'll we'll come back after the break

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Speaker 7: find something.

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Speaker 5: But this is thank you for that. Yeah, thank you

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Speaker 5: about this. I think that's insane.

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Speaker 2: So that either means that they needed to make space

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Speaker 2: for Gilaine Maxwell in this unprecedented, extremely unusual, rarely if

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Speaker 2: ever seen scenario where somebody who's been convicted of a

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Speaker 2: crime like sex trafficking is you know, given just maybe

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Speaker 2: not a lighter sentence per se, but a lighter, cushier place.

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Speaker 2: That's really, really, really unusual from what we've been told.

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Speaker 2: So maybe there was a swap, or you know, there

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Speaker 2: was space required at this new location, or she spoke

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Speaker 2: out against you know, somebody who's being very protected right now.

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Speaker 6: I mean, that's a massive lifestyle change, right she goes

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Speaker 6: from this cushy prison to some kind of you know,

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Speaker 6: law down scenario. That's a pretty massive change for her.

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Speaker 6: So I can't imagine that it's just because she made

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Speaker 5: I just can't why there's got in that. I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I just listen, I believe in love, Okay, I believe

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying I need you to imagine this for

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Speaker 2: a little bit, because it seems suspect.

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Speaker 5: It doesn't. Some of this stuff seems a little bit wild.

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry. This is not my personal opinion.

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Speaker 2: Only many are saying it, and I just think I'm

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Speaker 7: It certainly doesn't appear to be that way. Body even

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Speaker 5: Be what I'm digging. But I'm a big woman.

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Speaker 7: She was just serving a one year sentence for theft,

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Speaker 6: Wow, in an interview with who Daily Mail? No, No,

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Speaker 7: Really, I think it makes I don't know sense universe

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Speaker 5: The Daily Mail just reaches out to a random prisoner,

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Speaker 2: Out to any prisoner who's at this facility where Geelane Maxwell,

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Speaker 5: She's there for a year for theft, not sex abuse.

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Speaker 2: We're talking major different types of crimes, one year versus

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Speaker 5: We're gonna find.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, Hello, this is Steve from Maderie, Louisiana. I'm just

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Speaker 13: And the.

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Speaker 12: Importance of the resurgence of neighborhood watches. They're so crucial,

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Speaker 2: We have any great questions. Yeah, there's very different but

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Speaker 5: You know, neighborhood watch that was such a big deal

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Speaker 5: I don't body move in. I don't. No, I get it.

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Speaker 2: It's like I don't know why, but I walk out

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Speaker 2: lived here for fifteen years. What, Yeah, you don't know

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Speaker 6: Well, I don't know. He might be wonderful. I have

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Speaker 7: Saying like, but not even dog owners, like like are

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Speaker 2: With or just feeling a little anti social when I

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Speaker 2: don't know, I just never nobody's brought you a cup

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Speaker 5: So it was interesting.

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Speaker 6: It's interesting though, that you bring up the neighborhood watch, because, yeah,

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Speaker 7: Well, it's a presence where I am, but it's it's

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Speaker 7: a very neighborhoodye here and body, I was in your

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Speaker 5: It's a talkie, a nice courtney.

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Speaker 2: Isn't a lot of groups like I'm a real joy

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Speaker 2: She does join in and sometimes if I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I want to sell something, She's like, well, let me

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Speaker 2: ask one of my many groups, and she like is

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Speaker 2: very efficient about it. I don't have any groups in

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Speaker 2: my world, but like, yeah, neighborhood Watch turned into weird

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Speaker 2: it also really depends on where you live. And there

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Speaker 2: so important, you know, we have to look out for

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Speaker 6: And also the Eighth Amendment thing, right, So eighth Amendment,

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Speaker 6: you know, it protects us against cruel and unusual punishment,

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Speaker 6: think Coburger has a chance with that argument because he's

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Speaker 6: really he's protected from other Inmacy's and segregation, he's escorted

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Speaker 6: everywhere he goes, he's never alone he's got to learn

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Speaker 6: a chance to make Eighth Amendment argument, does do? I

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Speaker 6: think he'll make one, maybe because Brian Kaherenberger is a complainer,

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Speaker 6: and you know he might my coffee's hot.

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Speaker 7: But I don't think also with the leg to stand on,

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Speaker 7: quote purposely keeping him awake. That's very different than other prisoners.

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Speaker 7: That's a totally exactly different thing.

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Speaker 2: So, by the way, isn't it just bad idea to

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Speaker 2: I don't feel like bad things come to those I

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Speaker 2: don't think so in this way you don't leave. You

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Speaker 2: think they're all like, oh my goodness, Brian, we heard

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Speaker 2: and we're going to get to it.

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Speaker 5: No sweat. Well, you know I feel about that. We

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Speaker 2: No, I agree, and you turned me on that let

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Speaker 5: It might because the inmates are the ones serving the trace. No, No,

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, well we reap the we reap the what.

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Speaker 5: Is it they saying?

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Speaker 2: May you reap what you sow and reap what he does.

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Speaker 2: We have a collar bear bear, we have collar bear.

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Speaker 13: Hey bear, Hi bear?

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Speaker 5: Hey?

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Speaker 13: How's it going him? I'm good? Good, back to the

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Speaker 13: mends boys. Yes, I just want to know about like

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Speaker 13: hits me hard because my nephew years ago was in

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Speaker 13: But to me, murder's murder. I mean he's seven years.

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Speaker 13: Somebody's tenseif what is the deal there? And I'm just

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Speaker 13: wondering about I'm liking to do a petition like get

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Speaker 13: him can we get him out of there? Because look,

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Speaker 13: someone said, oh if we let Kyle out, he might

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Speaker 13: kill somebody. I'm like, out of they know that. I

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Speaker 13: don't think they want to do that again. But what

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Speaker 13: about this governor of California what's his name? Awesome, there's

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Speaker 13: some Yes, he lets people come, Oh, come to my state.

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Speaker 13: You can steal under a thousand dollars and I'll let

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Speaker 5: Right, by the way, not listen.

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Speaker 2: I kind of hear you on this one, and bear

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Speaker 2: it's it is a fair point though. It is a

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Speaker 2: little different though for your nephew, who and this is

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Speaker 2: so hideous and I'm terribly sorry that this happened to

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Speaker 2: your family. You know, vehicular manslaughter is different than the

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Speaker 2: manslaughter of these two brothers, who were, you know, plotting

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Speaker 5: I guess thank you for the question. Yeah, thank you

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Speaker 6: So, yeah, the manner in which this was occurred is

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Speaker 6: relevant to the sentence. Right, So your your nephew, it

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Speaker 6: was an accident of some kind of I'm sure whether

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Speaker 6: They didn't intentionally go out and kill somebody like Lyel

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Speaker 7: Right, So manslaughter versus right first degree murder and with

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Speaker 6: Things are considerations when they're handing down sentences. And I

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Speaker 6: think Gavin Newsome, the governor of California, is probably going

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Speaker 6: to stay out of this. I know that yesterday the

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Think it's prudent too, to be honest, and I think

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Speaker 6: So listen, if you want to call us, we just

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Speaker 6: eighty eight thirty one Crime or you know, talkback Tuesday,

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Speaker 15: We have another talkback ladies.

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Speaker 4: Did you hear every morning when I'm walking I love

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Speaker 4: listening to you. It's what I look forward to.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god.

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Speaker 4: Anyways, I'm listening to the eighteenth and you're talking about

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Speaker 4: Brian Kolberg and all these nine complaints against him and

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Speaker 4: campus security or walking students to the cars and they

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Speaker 4: don't feel safe. What is going on here? I know,

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Speaker 4: why wasn't the police involved and checking this guy out?

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Speaker 5: GG dumbfounded girl.

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Speaker 6: You and I are like in sinc we're besties right now.

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Speaker 6: I don't know what the protocol is. I truly don't.

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Speaker 6: I'm not in academia. I have a Bachelor's of Science degree.

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Speaker 6: I didn't, like, you know, spend a lot of time

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Speaker 6: I don't know if he was maybe on a short

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Speaker 6: list when the murders happened. There's no indication of that.

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Speaker 6: There's no indication that they even eye side eyed him.

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Speaker 6: They just kind of, like I feel, and I could

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Speaker 6: their attorney, has filed torque claim against the city of

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Speaker 6: Moscow and the University of Idaho, but I'm not sure

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Speaker 6: if they did one against WSU.

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Speaker 5: So really good questions. I'm on your side, gg, I

443
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Speaker 5: just don't know the answer.

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Speaker 7: I think it's it's very typical of academia. As you said, Body,

445
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Speaker 7: they it's kind of like a cruise ship like they do.

446
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Speaker 7: They have authority, they like to keep things cloistered, keep

447
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Speaker 7: their students and their name. And I'm saying this kind

448
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Speaker 7: of as fact, not trying to disparage any particular university.

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Speaker 5: So in retrospect, of course, or.

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Speaker 7: With known threats and that they're escorting people, you think,

451
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Speaker 7: oh my god, But it's pretty typical.

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Speaker 6: For I mean, we learned from the New York Post

453
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Speaker 6: article yesterday, Courtney that even the professor's wife, because Brian Coberger,

454
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Speaker 6: would follow the professor to his car and he was

455
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Speaker 6: doing that terrier weirdo, you know, and even the professor's

456
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Speaker 6: wife was like, dude, what the heck is with that?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he says the professor said, she recoiled like you've

458
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Speaker 7: never seen her in their entire relationship together.

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Speaker 6: So even like really smart people recognize that this guy

460
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Speaker 6: was not okay. But I mean, what can you do, right, Like,

461
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Speaker 6: can you arrest somebody because they're not like socially okay?

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Speaker 5: You know, you can't rite so what are they not?

463
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Speaker 2: Even if you're being abused by a person, you can't

464
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Speaker 2: necessarily get the help.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, it's it's not a perfect system. No it's not.

466
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Speaker 2: And you know, what are they going to do anybody

467
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Speaker 2: that's a little odd. They're going to bring them in

468
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Speaker 2: and they're going to fire them, you know, like the

469
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Speaker 2: list goes on and on. So you know, I would

470
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Speaker 2: have to assume they did their best judgment at the time. However,

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Speaker 2: when you see this in black and white and that

472
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Speaker 2: this many complaints were actually submitted on paper, that is staggering,

473
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Speaker 2: and I would have to assume that this is not

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Speaker 2: the end.

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Speaker 5: Of that story. Right.

476
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Speaker 6: It's desperate and it's dangerous, and I think the number

477
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Speaker 6: nine has been elevated to thirteen now, so there's we're

478
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Speaker 6: thirty teen official complaints from students and other professors and

479
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Speaker 6: you know, people he worked with at WSU, because remember

480
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Speaker 6: he worked for WSU and don't.

481
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Speaker 2: Again, in WSU told it's students not to worry when

482
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Speaker 2: the murders happened. They were like, it's fine, it's far away,

483
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Speaker 2: nothing to worry about. Meanwhile, the killer was amongst them.

484
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Speaker 6: Teaching, sitting next to them in class, following them around

485
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Speaker 6: like a little terrier down the hallways, and spatially trapping

486
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Speaker 6: them in office and hovering over their office. When I

487
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Speaker 6: read this report about how he was hovering over this

488
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Speaker 6: woman constantly, Oh made my skin crawl, Like it's it's

489
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Speaker 6: so bizarre.

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Speaker 5: And that's the takeaway.

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Speaker 2: We have to all listen to our side. I do

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Speaker 2: not dismiss that because I think we're so conditioned to

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Speaker 2: do so.

494
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Speaker 5: We are, we're conditioned to smile and be polite.

495
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Speaker 6: But I'm telling you right now, ladies, don't do it.

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Speaker 2: Without further ado, Let's go to our next talk back.

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Speaker 16: Hi, guys, I love your show. Love listening to y'all.

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Speaker 16: I have a question about what visual snow is. I

499
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Speaker 16: heard you guys talk about this a couple of times

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Speaker 16: when talking about BAK and the Idaho four. Can you

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Speaker 16: explain to me what visual snow is?

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Speaker 5: Really? Good question.

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Speaker 6: So it's a neurological problem from my understanding. So back

504
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Speaker 6: when you know, we read about these forum posts and whatnot,

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Speaker 6: of course I went and what's visual snow? Because I

506
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Speaker 6: never heard of it before. It's a neurological condition, and

507
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Speaker 6: it's where the person sees like kind of like static,

508
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Speaker 6: like you would on like a TV screen that's.

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Speaker 5: An old TV yeah.

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Speaker 6: Geist, Yeah, And this static covers like the their entire

511
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Speaker 6: field division and it's present in my my understanding, it's

512
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Speaker 6: present all the time. It's just kind of an underlying

513
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Speaker 6: thing that's always there. Like do you ever rub your

514
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Speaker 6: eyes like really hard, like for long time because you've

515
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Speaker 6: got like something in it.

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Speaker 2: And now you open the eyelashes, you and I we're

517
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Speaker 2: doing those eyelashes, and you pull them out. You kind

518
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Speaker 2: of start to see like rights, you start to see spots.

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Speaker 6: Right, so you'll see like tiny flickering dots across you know,

520
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Speaker 6: your whole field of view, and you might have like

521
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Speaker 6: ghosts like those little globs, you know, those little blobs

522
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Speaker 6: you can see sometimes, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 5: And it affects you.

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Speaker 6: It affects your daily functioning, reading, your mental health because

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Speaker 6: like you can't turn it off. It can cause depression.

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Speaker 6: It affects your social life because you're dealing with like

527
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Speaker 6: all these constant visual noise all the time. It might

528
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Speaker 6: make people withdraw socially and they'll struggle in school. There's

529
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Speaker 6: a lot of lot of issues that it can cause.

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Speaker 6: And by the way, there's no no, there's no known cure.

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Speaker 6: Now they do say, like migraine medication can help with it,

532
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Speaker 6: but there's only in.

533
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Speaker 2: Your some some cases, I guess even migrain medication doesn't

534
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Speaker 2: work for all neither. But in Brian Coburger's case, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he was seeing the static over his eyes, and you know,

536
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Speaker 2: he would say that that brought him a lot of

537
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Speaker 2: you know, air quotes, anxiety or or you know, literally

538
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Speaker 2: blurred his vision for a happier life.

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Speaker 5: I suppose sure not that that's a good excuse. But no,

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Speaker 5: we none of none were going to say something.

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Speaker 7: Oh, I was going to say that also a body

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Speaker 7: when you were describing visual snow and talking about how

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Speaker 7: it can impact your life, and it often is or

544
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Speaker 7: can be accompanied by Tonight's that ringing in your ear,

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Speaker 7: and also migraines as well, which are or can be debilitating.

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Speaker 5: Oh I didn't know that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so you're having if you're having tonight's end visual snow,

548
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Speaker 7: think of this a little crazy making, a little crazy making, didn't.

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Speaker 7: Luigi man Gionne also complain of visual snow the guy

550
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Speaker 7: who has been accused of shooting Brian Thompson the SOO, we.

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Speaker 2: Should do a deep dive on that, just you know,

552
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 2: we do in the documentary. We talk a bit about it,

553
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Speaker 2: and it does seem like one of those conditions that

554
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Speaker 2: can be very maddening. And we do know that Brian

555
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Speaker 2: kobok Or in earlier days, you know, so you know,

556
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 2: kind of recognize that he had this kind of an affect.

557
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 2: He didn't necessarily feel the world the way others did.

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Speaker 2: You know, some could call that depression, but in order

559
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: to be depressed, you have to probably have feelings, right,

560
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 2: like he was almost void of feelings.

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Speaker 5: That's what he said. He said, he doesn't you feel anything?

562
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Speaker 6: Yeah, he didn't feel anything, and he he would he

563
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 6: said something like his dad would show him affection and

564
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Speaker 6: he would just kind of like be like, eh, you

565
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 6: know what I mean, he just didn't. But it could

566
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Speaker 6: be part of the neurological condition that he's got with

567
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Speaker 6: this visual snow, because it does affect your your emotional process.

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Speaker 2: He was autistic also, you know, Yeah that came out sure,

569
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Speaker 2: not that we think.

570
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Speaker 5: Again, that's not an excuse for murdering four people, but

571
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Speaker 5: it's autistic. I would never murder somebody. Of course you

572
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 5: use that.

573
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Speaker 2: You use that perfect brain of yours for greatness, right,

574
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 2: because it's your superpower in so many ways.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but yeah, the autism definitely is part of him,

576
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Speaker 6: you know, and it is going to affect the way

577
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 6: that he says his emotions and deals with social situations.

578
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Speaker 6: But it's definitely not making you a murderer, like one

579
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Speaker 6: hundred percent not. You know, I still feel things that

580
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 6: you know, everybody else does, and I probably feel them

581
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 6: a little bit deeper sometimes, you know. But yeah, no,

582
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 6: the autism is definitely part of him, but it has

583
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 6: nothing to do with he's a murderer. You're listening to

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Speaker 6: to Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true crime all

585
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Speaker 6: the time, and we're taking some Brian Coberger talkbacks. Let's

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Speaker 6: go to the next one.

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Speaker 17: Yes, hi, ladies, is Anthony Colleen from Canada. I'm listening

588
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Speaker 17: to your Thursday Night episode where the body camera foot

589
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Speaker 17: it's just dropped and you described it. You talk about

590
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Speaker 17: the roommates shaking. And I'm not a psychologist, but I

591
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 17: was reading a book on psychology once and they talked

592
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Speaker 17: about how moving your body after something traumatic is quite

593
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Speaker 17: good for you. And they cited a case in Chachilla

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Speaker 17: House in I think nineteen seventies or the eighties, where

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Speaker 17: twenty seven kids were kidnapped and buried in I think

596
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Speaker 17: a cave of some sort, and the two kids that

597
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Speaker 17: were able to dig themselves out and escape actually showed

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Speaker 17: out of those kids, those twenty seven kids that they

599
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Speaker 17: were had the least trauma, long term trauma impacts, and

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Speaker 17: it was as a result of being able to move

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Speaker 17: their bodies. So, you know, I know it's horrible to

602
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Speaker 17: watch someone shake, but you know, according to this theory,

603
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Speaker 17: it's you know, quite a good thing in terms of

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Speaker 17: trauma healing long term.

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Speaker 2: And that makes a lot of sense if you think

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Speaker 2: about being that emotionally dysregulated. You know, I know, for myself,

607
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Speaker 2: I can get really emotionally unregulated quickly, whether it's like

608
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Speaker 2: exacerbated or overly excited or super worked up, and you're

609
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Speaker 2: adrenaline is going at that point, so think about it.

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00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 2: So if you're shaking or giving yourself movement, you're kind

611
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Speaker 2: of shaking it out a little bit too, and it

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Speaker 2: allows your nervous system to kind of reset either.

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Speaker 5: There is actually that equipment.

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Speaker 2: You guys are going to make fun of me because

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Speaker 2: it's not the dumb weighted vest, but the it's like

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Speaker 2: something you stand on and it just like vibrates a

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Speaker 2: bit and it basically makes you shake. And the spirit

618
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Speaker 2: of it is that it's supposed to kind of shake

619
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Speaker 2: out your nervous system and kind of bring the energy

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Speaker 2: kind of to one level.

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Speaker 5: I need one of those to send me a link

622
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Speaker 5: to that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what it's called exactly right, but

624
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Speaker 2: you know it's something to just do while you're having

625
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Speaker 2: your morning coffee.

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Speaker 7: Well a little shit, yeah, but don't fill that coffee

627
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Speaker 7: mug up too high.

628
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Speaker 2: My rug also has a lot of coffee on it.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, you know what.

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Speaker 6: I learned, it's kind of similar in the same vein.

631
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Speaker 6: It might be interesting to somebody out there. I was

632
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Speaker 6: having leg problems, like a couple of years ago, and

633
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Speaker 6: it went to the doctor and they were hurting. My

634
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 6: legs were hurting my thighs like constantly, and so I

635
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Speaker 6: went to the doctor and she's like, are you stressed?

636
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 6: And I'm like, unbelievably stressed. I was so stressed out.

637
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 6: I don't remember what I was doing, but it was

638
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 6: like an incredibly stressful time in my life. And she

639
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 6: was like, well, you know, when you get stressed, your

640
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 6: body plumps blood to your extremities, your hands, your arms,

641
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 6: and your legs. And I was like why, and she's like,

642
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 6: to run because like back in the day, back in

643
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Speaker 6: the day, if we were being chased by you know,

644
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Speaker 6: an ape or something I don't know is an ape predator,

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Speaker 6: I don't know whatever an.

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Speaker 5: A an apeil kill you. Though. Okay, well, you.

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Speaker 6: Get stressed out and your body is telling you to run,

648
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Speaker 6: and that's why your your your legs might purt or

649
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Speaker 6: your So it's kind of the same thing as shaking, right,

650
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Speaker 6: like your body is reacting to stress and anxiety in

651
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Speaker 6: some way I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Your body keeps a score. If you haven't read that book,

653
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: that is a really good one. Indy was just telling

654
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Speaker 2: me it's a really good one.

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Speaker 5: And it's true.

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Speaker 2: You know, your body experience and his trauma and if

657
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Speaker 2: not dealt with it, sits. And she's not just telling

658
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Speaker 2: me about this. You're not moving enough for sort of

659
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Speaker 2: figuring out ways to expel it. You know, some people

660
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 2: say exercise, some people say all kinds of stuff. I

661
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Speaker 2: am not describing any of it, but it does it

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Speaker 2: make sense.

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Speaker 6: It's like a sign. I've heard it twice in two

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Speaker 6: days now. I'ma have to go, Tod, did you have

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Speaker 6: something to say.

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Speaker 18: No, No, I was just going to say that you

667
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Speaker 18: are a spot on. I just looked up really quickly

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Speaker 18: and I am reading that after a traumatic experience, moving

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Speaker 18: can be helpful. It releases storage stress formones and it

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Speaker 18: completes the fight or flight response. So there you go,

671
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Speaker 18: both of you are.

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Speaker 5: We do a little dance break at Kate's. That's right.

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Speaker 2: We do around you know, we do a little dancing

674
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Speaker 2: around the edges. It's the exact same principle. You kind

675
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Speaker 2: of dance it out and you kind of get all

676
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Speaker 2: your nervous energy out and sort of you know, we're

677
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 2: talking about a lot of dark things or stressful things,

678
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 2: so sometimes you just got to release it, and you

679
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Speaker 2: know that might mean a little dancing.

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Speaker 6: That's right, Well, thank you talk bout yeah, you got

681
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Speaker 6: us going here. Ainsley always you know Iningsley's great from Canada.

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Speaker 5: Love her. Uh we have do we have time for

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Speaker 5: another talk? Then let's yes, let's do it.

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Speaker 15: Hi guys.

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Speaker 16: I really love your show and I love listening to

686
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Speaker 16: you every day.

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Speaker 5: Yay.

688
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Speaker 16: When you guys are talking about Ryan Coolberger and his

689
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 16: obsession with the games little Ripper, I feel like I

690
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 16: remember hearing something that Danny Rawlings also broke in through.

691
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Speaker 5: A glass door, like a sliding glass door.

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Speaker 16: Have you guys heard this also or did I imagine that?

693
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Speaker 5: If so, how creepy you did not imagine that? So

694
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Speaker 5: smarting hands?

695
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Speaker 6: Yeah, good memory he did. He broke in to Christa Hoits.

696
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 6: She was eighteen years old. She was a chemistry honor

697
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Speaker 6: student at Santa Fe College, and he pride opened her

698
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Speaker 6: sliding glass door with like a screwdriver or some kind

699
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Speaker 6: of blunt instrument like that. I don't know exactly what

700
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Speaker 6: it was, I can't remember, but yeah, and then guess

701
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Speaker 6: what she was a home so he waited for her

702
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 6: no did you know this top of head?

703
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Speaker 5: I'm so impressed.

704
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like that was a lot of information to just like,

705
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: you don't even know what these questions are going to be.

706
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 5: So is my superpowers? Your superpower?

707
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Speaker 2: Last door is such a scary Uh, it's so scary.

708
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 5: You know, we should be sliping. Should have.

709
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Speaker 6: My friend Steve, I was over at my my friend's

710
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 6: house this weekend and he loves the show. He loves

711
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 6: Sucgarme tonight and he was like, you guys need to

712
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 6: have somebody on the show that can teach people how

713
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 6: to secure their doors, maybe even what to do, what

714
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 6: to do if it's dark at night and somebody is

715
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Speaker 6: in your house, like grabbing them by the wrist and twisting,

716
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 6: you know, things like that.

717
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 2: And I was like, what a good idea. I have

718
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Speaker 2: one takeaway that I just read and listen. I'm not

719
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 2: subscribing to any fear mongering. We're not trying to make

720
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 2: anybody feel scared. But get yourself a fire extinguisher and

721
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 2: have it right next to your bed. Not for the fire,

722
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 2: per Sello, Stranger things have happened, but as a weapon.

723
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Speaker 5: I have, you have, you have, I do body.

724
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Speaker 2: You just need the sound I'm downloading that sound on

725
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Speaker 2: my phone.

726
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 7: You're gonna start any wrong one, It's gonna be Taylor

727
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Speaker 7: Swift in Congrats to Taylor Swift.

728
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Speaker 5: You're beloved.

729
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 2: After two years of dating, I are officially engaged.

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Speaker 5: Did you see that rock? Yeah?

731
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Speaker 10: Holy moldy, dangerous, gorgeous.

732
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Speaker 5: It's so beautiful, so beautiful. I hate them? Why do

733
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 5: you hate them? I love them? No, I love them too.

734
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 5: That's why I hate them.

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00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 7: Yes, because you.

736
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 2: Yes, I wish them well. Blast they seem healthy.

737
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Speaker 5: Keep it here.

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Speaker 7: Whatever you think of Taylor Swift, we will continue what

739
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Speaker 7: we are doing. And some of you have been slipping

740
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 7: into our dms and we love nothing more, so we'll

741
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 7: be answering some of those messages topics or juicy.

742
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Speaker 2: Listen, I'm Stephanie here with Courtney and body, and I

743
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 2: think we're all shaken. We have just done our little

744
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 2: like mid break after the first hour kind of dance moves.

745
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Speaker 5: And ah, Yogi's with us today, by.

746
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 2: The way, he's on the mend. But yeah, a little

747
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 2: dancing goes a long way. So listen, we're still kind

748
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Speaker 2: of rolling through our talkbacks.

749
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Speaker 5: It's talkback Tuesday.

750
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Speaker 2: Keep them coming. Eight A eight three to one crime.

751
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Speaker 2: Let's go to our next one.

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Speaker 7: If I may, Stephanie, I would love to do a

753
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Speaker 7: DM from Anthony.

754
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 5: Oh yes, love a DM. Oh hey, let's do it, Anthony.

755
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 7: Yes, okay, afternoon. I've been listening to the show, and

756
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 7: I've been thinking about the grooming question. Here is a

757
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 7: good compromise when talking about adults that fall into this

758
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 7: type of situation. I like predatory conditioning. It highlights the

759
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 7: calculated nature of the behavior. It is neutral, it avoids

760
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 7: age assumption. The other one I like is manipulative entrapment.

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Speaker 7: It signals strategic isolation and control. In addition, it could

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Speaker 7: apply to financial, emotional, or sexual exploitation. Love the show,

763
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 7: Tony with the heart, Tony heart right back to you,

764
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Speaker 7: And that's a.

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Speaker 5: Great Hearty, gret. What do we think?

766
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Speaker 2: I like the second one the best for some reason.

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Speaker 2: It sounds even scarier to me, and I do think

768
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Speaker 2: it's really dead on the manipulative environment.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because I like you both.

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Speaker 6: I think the predatory conditioning is more kind of generic,

771
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 6: you know, and the manipulative entrapment kind of signals specific

772
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 6: things like the isolation and Tony said intention.

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Speaker 5: I like them both, honestly.

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Speaker 6: From different situations, and I don't know that we need

775
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 6: to get so nuanced with it, but I really do

776
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Speaker 6: like those suggestions quite a bit.

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Speaker 7: Totally, and I love it. You know how he points

778
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 7: it out. It's neutral and avoids the age assumption, all

779
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 7: of the above. So this was really thoughtful Anthony, and

780
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Speaker 7: I don't know. There's there's three of us, So let's

781
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 7: take a vote between his two. Predatory conditioning is one.

782
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 7: Manipulative entrapment is two.

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00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 6: Body manipulative entrapment, Stephanie manipulative entrapment.

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Speaker 5: I'm going predatory conditioning, Writney, would it be you know what?

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Speaker 10: Just because the conditioning?

786
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Speaker 7: I love that word, because it's over time.

787
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Speaker 2: I see how this goes. You guys A coordinating this

788
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Speaker 2: in advance?

789
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 5: This is crap?

790
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Speaker 7: Okay, okay, Adam or Sam? Do you want to weigh

791
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 7: in between predatory conditioning?

792
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Speaker 15: I don't know.

793
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 5: I better better stay out of this. This temperature is

794
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 5: getting hot.

795
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, Steph's getting the Stephanie's getting riled up.

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00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 5: That was really good. Though they're both they're both really great.

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00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 5: Kind of can't go wrong. So do we have another one? Hi?

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Speaker 19: Guys, it's calling from Alberta, Canada.

799
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Speaker 2: Again.

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Speaker 19: I just wanted to say that I'm listening to you

801
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 19: guys live right now, and for all my Canadians out there,

802
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 19: it'll be eight o'clock Mountain time on ninety nine point five.

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Speaker 19: The River, The River, I knew it best, and then.

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00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 17: I didn't know this.

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00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 19: But it plays the like a sponsor aedd during your

806
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 19: break and then it plays a song. Oh so I'm

807
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 19: parting out while waiting for you guys to come back on.

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Speaker 7: It's great.

809
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 15: Love you guys.

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Speaker 5: Did I call you too? I sat out to that

811
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 5: same music. That's what we rock out to.

812
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 2: We have a little dance break in between each one

813
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Speaker 2: of the do you know segments while the commercials are going.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, a little bit, a little bit of inside baseball.

815
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 6: But during the breaks, we do a little dance party.

816
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 6: We can we can visually see each other. We do

817
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Speaker 6: a little dance party because we're shaking it off.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I need Canadians in my life.

819
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 7: This show has introduced the most wonderful Canadians to me.

820
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 5: Yes, they're seriously about it. Need to go via Salillite.

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Speaker 5: I tried to go catch.

822
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 6: And they were like, nah, stay there, get me out here,

823
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 6: and they're like, yeah, you're good.

824
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 5: Exactly.

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00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: We don't need you, but come on, well listen, we're

826
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Speaker 2: coming right back with more of your talkbacks. This has

827
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Speaker 2: been talked back Tuesday. We're talking true crime all the

828
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Speaker 2: time thanks to you.

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Speaker 5: We'll be right back.

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Speaker 2: I've been getting a lot of hits on our social

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Speaker 2: at True Crime Tonight show on Instagram and TikTok oh

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00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 2: and Courtney Armstrong is like, it looks like you're getting

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Speaker 2: one right now. Are you receiving some sort of a

834
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Speaker 2: DM right now? Listen on Facebook It's at True Crime Tonight.

835
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Speaker 2: So again, keep them coming or to save us a

836
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Speaker 2: talkback in boom, you are on the show. We are

837
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 2: playing talkback roulette, which means none of us know the topic.

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Speaker 5: This is scary and I love it.

839
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 2: Sam and Adam and Taha are running the show at

840
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 2: this point and they are surprising us.

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Speaker 5: With your thoughts.

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00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 6: I like to call this men versus women. Yeah, okay,

843
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 6: this is what's happening right now.

844
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Speaker 5: They're in charge.

845
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 6: We are listening to them, So hit us, Adam and Sam,

846
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 6: let us just give it to us.

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Speaker 5: Shoot him at us.

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Speaker 20: Hi, ladies, it's Heather from Wisconsin. Just listened to last

849
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Speaker 20: night's episode. In regards to Eric Menendez. I'm gonna say this,

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Speaker 20: I'm mad.

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00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 5: I'm really mad.

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00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 20: I'm not mad, I don't I'm conflicted on what their

853
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 20: punishment should have been. But I think anybody, regardless of

854
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 20: where you stand on that, is going to agree that

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00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 20: those boys did not get a fair trial. That second

856
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 20: trial was not fair. You don't get to have a

857
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 20: trial and not allow half their witnesses. The judge would

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Speaker 20: not allow that what he called the abuse excuse, which

859
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Speaker 20: was their only defense. So at that point the only

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Speaker 20: thing the jury had to decide was whether they were

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Speaker 20: giving them life in prison or the dust penalty. It

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00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 20: wasn't a fair trial.

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Speaker 2: Why do I feel like we went to high school together?

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Speaker 7: Like she said, I was gonna say that familiar Stephanie

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Speaker 7: hands to god, I.

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Speaker 5: Was did we got a high school together?

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Speaker 2: I it's just a setchem high school student calling real time.

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00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 2: But yeah, that was a really great point, and I

869
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 2: felt pretty mad about it yesterday also. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: I entered this conversation about the you know Menandez brothers

871
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 2: sort of anti their release in early days when we

872
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 2: first started this show, and you guys kind of all

873
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:38,760
Speaker 2: convinced me otherwise. For so many really important reasons. Honestly,

874
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Speaker 2: So I hear you, I really do. I can't wait

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Speaker 2: to see you at the reunion.

876
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 7: Seriously, I know I got a high school reunion coming up.

877
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 5: Maybe I'll see you.

878
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I'm kind of in the middle too. Honestly,

879
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 6: I'm not pro Menendez and I'm not anti Menendez. I

880
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 6: do think that it had their evidence been admitted at trial,

881
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 6: as it should have been, and they would have been

882
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,959
Speaker 6: already and that's kind of my thing. And I don't

883
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 6: think there is you know, necessarily a danger to society.

884
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 6: Did they break some rules in prison? Yeah, but you

885
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 6: know I probably would too, And listen, I'm a rule follower.

886
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 6: I do not break the rules. I'm like so anal

887
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 6: rule follower. It's annoying to all my friends. And I

888
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 6: probably would too to survive, you know, like, oh my god,

889
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 6: I got survive in prison. I'm going to be traded

890
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 6: for a pack of cigarettes.

891
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 5: Okay, you know what I mean.

892
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 6: Like, I'm a follow I'll do. I'm very compliant, you

893
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 6: know what I mean? Yes, and so yeah, no, I

894
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 6: feel the same way. Thank you for the talk back.

895
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 6: What do we have next?

896
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 5: This is uh Heather following up she's the one who

897
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 5: went on the Jeffrey Dahmer tour. Just giving that context question,

898
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 5: doesn't there make it so clear at the beginning?

899
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 21: Okay, sorry, ladies, I live in the woods and got disconnected.

900
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 21: It's Heather from Wisconsin. Just wanted to also mention that

901
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 21: some of the people that still work at this bar

902
00:44:55,719 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 21: actually served him, and he was a nightmare patron. He

903
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 21: would not allow women to serve him, only men, to

904
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 21: the point where he'd make the bus play fix his

905
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 21: drinks and had to have a particular barstool threatening others

906
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 21: pace trends. So yeah, he's a nightmare.

907
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 5: Thank you.

908
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 2: We also went to high school together. I'm so glad

909
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 2: everyone's really coming out from the scenes because that's honestly,

910
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree with her more.

911
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 5: He's a nightmare. He's that guy.

912
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 7: Yes, well, I mean unsurprising Jeffrey ber.

913
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not shocked, like a serial killer was kind

914
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 6: of like a crappy person shocker, you know what I mean, Like.

915
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 5: Who's not surprised by that?

916
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 6: You know, like every single one I'm sure is incredibly

917
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 6: annoying and just the worst person imaginable.

918
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 5: Yuck. I'm just not surprised. At all. Anyway, what do

919
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 5: we thank you for that?

920
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 7: And speaking of really prolific, notorious and horrible Son of Sam,

921
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 7: just a quick reminder we have true crime and chill

922
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 7: and that is tomorrow we will all be discussing the

923
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 7: Netflix Son of Sam Confessions of a Killer.

924
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 5: On Netflix. So yeah, tomorrow. You so you haven't started it?

925
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 10: I have, Yes, I have.

926
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 2: I am Courtney. I know body you have. But Courtney Armstrong,

927
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,439
Speaker 2: you didn't know the name of it. So that made

928
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: me have pause.

929
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 7: Well, because there are two son of Sam's on Netflix.

930
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 5: Watch the other one. You've watched a lot of it.

931
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 2: I feel like, don't get your show off these days.

932
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 2: I came in this week listen, after a long stretch.

933
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 2: I would not leave my Sam behind. I can't wait

934
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 2: to talk to you guys about it.

935
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 5: I'm excited.

936
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 6: Well, don't say anything right now, keep it, keep, don't

937
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 6: give any spoilers. Everybody's got to finish watching by tomorrow.

938
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 5: Homework is due.

939
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 6: Homework is due, and I'm the teacher and I have

940
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 6: a ruler and I'm not afraid to use it. I

941
00:46:58,600 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 6: am not afraid to use it.

942
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 5: It's like my sidon great Teacher. Well, just what you guys. Yes,

943
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 5: we have a caller. Ooh, hi Crocker, welcome.

944
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 14: Hi, Hi Crockfie Ohnophie, yay yay Hi guys. I don't

945
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 14: normally get to listen to you live. I actually only

946
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 14: listened to ten minutes because in Newfoundland we have our

947
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 14: own time zone. It is twelve thirty five am. Here

948
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 14: we have after half hours, go to bed.

949
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 5: Everyone go to after this call, after this call, after

950
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 5: the show.

951
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 2: We want to come visit with you and hang out

952
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 2: with you at twelve thirty five in the morning.

953
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 14: Oh, we go later than that on George Street. It's

954
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 14: well long, yeah, so early, Crocker.

955
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 7: I know you have something important to say, but I

956
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 7: have to ask you. I went on the Weirdest Tangent yesterday.

957
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 7: Have you read the book The Shipping News?

958
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 14: I haven't, but I know about it. But there was

959
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 14: also wasn't there a movie done at the Shippy News?

960
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 14: I believe that was here as well. I think they

961
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 14: did in.

962
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 13: A movie of the book.

963
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 14: I feel like I had to read it in school,

964
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 14: but I didn't really read it.

965
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 5: In school exactly. We have to watch the movie. Well,

966
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 5: added to the movie list.

967
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 10: You're totally right, Okay, yes.

968
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 7: There is a movie and it is with Julianne Moore

969
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 7: and we love her.

970
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 5: I love her and Kevin Spacey.

971
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:31,439
Speaker 7: Yeah, anyway, I derailed, but I'm really falling in love

972
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 7: with Newfoundland reading this book.

973
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 5: So yeah, tell us what that book. I'm strong.

974
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 2: You have mentioned that book about four times in the

975
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 2: last four days. Anyway, We're so glad you're talking with us.

976
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 14: Yeah, I can't believe I'm talking with you all.

977
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 22: This is awesome.

978
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 14: My friend also, she will write me because she gets

979
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 14: I'm a teacher, so I'm off in the summertime, we're

980
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 14: still off, she'll write me and say, you were on

981
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 14: the pot again today, So she lets me know. And

982
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 14: she just gave me an okay that if anything ever

983
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 14: happens to her, I can share all of the documents

984
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 14: and pictures of her if any if she gets murdered

985
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 14: her anytime on a podcast.

986
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 5: That's perfect.

987
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 14: Dream Yeah, perfect, So I would saying you guys could

988
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 14: come and visit and it could be a work trip.

989
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 14: There actually is a missing person's case from Newfoundland that

990
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 14: has been actually looking it up to see how long

991
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,479
Speaker 14: it's been. Nineteen ninety six, so I was only ten.

992
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 14: The O'Brien brothers so there was disappearance of Adam, Trevor

993
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 14: and Mitchell O'Brien and their mom is still looking for them.

994
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 14: Their father, they were not together. He came and picked

995
00:49:53,320 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 14: them up. They were allegedly allegedly allegedly allegedly by the father,

996
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 14: Gary O'Brien on November ninth, ninety six, and they still

997
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 14: have not been found. They made national and international headlines.

998
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 14: They actually there was a clue. They found a his car,

999
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 14: the father's car, off of a cliff.

1000
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 13: I think it was a middle cove, yeah, in.

1001
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 14: The ocean, but didn't find any remains.

1002
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 6: I went, they found his car in the ocean of

1003
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,879
Speaker 6: Lefty oh, okay, okay.

1004
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 14: Okay, No, he was No, it was in the ocean

1005
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 14: off a cliff. But it was like, yeah, so it's

1006
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 14: a I think it was a middle cove. So it

1007
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:40,919
Speaker 14: was right by the beach kind of like he drove

1008
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 14: it off, so they would have been in the ocean. Yeah,

1009
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 14: and their bodies weren't found. And I actually just like

1010
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 14: went and did a little bit of body move and

1011
00:50:54,120 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 14: this kind of stuff myself and found a Facebook group

1012
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 14: and there are three brothers that look exactly like them,

1013
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 14: and they're in the States. Apparently it's not them, but

1014
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,399
Speaker 14: I I thought you got to look into it.

1015
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 6: You got you gotta put Yeah, you got for details

1016
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 6: because it's helloly interesting.

1017
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 5: Hello at body Movement.

1018
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 14: Email, Hello at Body Movement. Okay, yeah, I did look

1019
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:24,919
Speaker 14: for you as emails for a long time. There's also

1020
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 14: another one, Courtney Lake. This is like very recent. She

1021
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,919
Speaker 14: went missing a little bit of information. They couldn't find

1022
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 14: a lot about it. And then her ex or her

1023
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 14: partner at the time, who they suspect caused her to

1024
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 14: go missing, didn't give up any information nothing, and then

1025
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 14: he actually died and her mother is constantly looking for

1026
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 14: and trying to find information and all of that. So

1027
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 14: it's another big thing here. So you have two works

1028
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 14: trip opportunity.

1029
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 2: We get to visit ear Fee's going to be on

1030
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 2: the Crocker I love it.

1031
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, Okay, we'll send me the NFL, send me the info. Seriously,

1032
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 6: send me the INFL and well we'll look at the

1033
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 6: Facebook stuff. Thank you so much, Crocker for I'm sorry,

1034
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 6: Thank you Crocker for calling. We love hearing from our

1035
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 6: Canadian friends, especially in New.

1036
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 14: Fee A little bit different.

1037
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 6: I know you guys are very unique. You're very unique.

1038
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,240
Speaker 6: Up there and we love it though, thank you, thank you.

1039
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 5: Keep coming and keep calling. Oh wow, so in the ocean.

1040
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 5: That kind of got my So.

1041
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,720
Speaker 2: I love it when we get these types of cases

1042
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 2: that we just wouldn't be aware of. So we have

1043
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 2: cases again so hard though, because like people are allowed

1044
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 2: to disappear, isn't you know, like if I wanted to vanish,

1045
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:56,720
Speaker 2: I'm allowed. So sometimes really difficult. I mean for loved ones.

1046
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,720
Speaker 2: I don't think there's anything worse than probably not even

1047
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 2: knowing if your child is dead or alive. I cannot

1048
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 2: not knowing if you could sleep one second because you're

1049
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 2: still looking and yeah to yours can't vanish.

1050
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, And it's just like it's like trying to figure

1051
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 6: out like was there something subispicious? I can't even speak,

1052
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 6: was there something suspicious? Or did they leave on their own?

1053
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 6: And getting just to that answer is hard. It's really hard,

1054
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 6: and you're constantly wondering, like am I violating this person's

1055
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 6: like privacy, you know what I mean, Like it's missing

1056
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 6: person's cases are just really really really hard. I just

1057
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 6: can't imagine like having to actually work one, you know,

1058
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 6: like for real, Oh right, it's gotta be so difficult,

1059
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 6: so we'll definitely look into these. Yeah, Cracker, I know,

1060
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 6: I gotta love it. So do we have time for

1061
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 6: one more?

1062
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 8: Wait?

1063
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 9: And sorry body for this question, But I don't quite

1064
00:53:54,680 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 9: understand why Pecdy wasn't just charged for assault, considering they

1065
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 9: have it on videos, and why they went for huge

1066
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:12,399
Speaker 9: charges instead of just getting something that they could get

1067
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 9: him on. I know our legal systems are a bit different,

1068
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,399
Speaker 9: but I thought maybe you could find some light on that.

1069
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,439
Speaker 5: Bye, that's a great question.

1070
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 6: I think we're going to have to cut to Break

1071
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 6: and answer it when we get back, But that is

1072
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 6: a really good question, but really quickly. I think it

1073
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,720
Speaker 6: has a lot to do with something like they wanted

1074
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 6: a federal case.

1075
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 5: Exactly, very correct.

1076
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 2: Let's go to our next one right now. I just

1077
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 2: go knocked over my water. I wanted to answer really

1078
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 2: quick before we go to that talk pack. We had

1079
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 2: one prior to the break, and remember about about Diddy

1080
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 2: and why he wasn't charged with just like assault, right,

1081
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 2: and I listen, we're not in the heads of like

1082
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 2: you know, these people that decide who gets charged with what.

1083
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 2: But I do really think that there were probably enough

1084
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 2: complet about Diddy and his actions that they kind of

1085
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 2: put together this federal case because I really think they

1086
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 2: thought they were going to be able to prosecute, prosecute

1087
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 2: him for this rico, right, and then also tie in

1088
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 2: all these sex charges and trafficking and whatnot.

1089
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 6: It's kind of like, here's what I really think. They

1090
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 6: couldn't prosecute Epstein, right because he died right for whatever reason. Okay,

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00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 6: so let's make a boogeyman. Let's get the boogeyman. It's

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00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 6: going to be Diddy. And I think that kind of

1093
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 6: plays in. It's a little bit, a little bit political,

1094
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 6: a little bit you know, tough on crime.

1095
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 5: I think it has something to do with that.

1096
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 2: I don't really know, Adam, Everyone's like nodding their heads right,

1097
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 2: blocked out, Oh my goodness.

1098
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:45,280
Speaker 5: But it does make sense.

1099
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 2: And they are kind of the same pockets of problems, right,

1100
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 2: We're talking sex trafficking in theory, but different.

1101
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 5: Did they actually prove.

1102
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 2: That the same thing happened in Ditty's world as it

1103
00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 2: had in Epstein's?

1104
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 5: Was there a cover up?

1105
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 2: Tif Did people keep to themselves and get paid to

1106
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 2: shut up?

1107
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:06,760
Speaker 5: Who knows?

1108
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 2: Was their videotape using really compromising things to blackmail people?

1109
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 2: We'll probably never know, but boy, has did heven quiet?

1110
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 5: Huh?

1111
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 6: I know? Well, he keeps filing appeals to get his

1112
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 6: sentencing moved up, but they keep getting denied.

1113
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 5: I think he's filed five.

1114
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he had his moment to be able to

1115
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 2: move it up, and then he pushed it.

1116
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 6: I know, while they didn't argue or something. They Yeah, no,

1117
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 6: you're right now, sir.

1118
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:34,760
Speaker 2: I think it could have been in October at one point,

1119
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 2: and then is it.

1120
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 5: Not October third anymore? I think it got moved again.

1121
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 5: Let me just check right now.

1122
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not sure, but yeah, let's let's continue, Let's

1123
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 6: keep going. Let's hit another talk back.

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00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 23: Hey ladies, Alex from Arizona again, just wanting to tell

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00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 23: you guys that I recently found your show and am

1126
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 23: absolutely loving you guys. But another question I have for

1127
00:56:55,560 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 23: you regarding the Idaho four is being if the guilty

1128
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 23: convicted murderer here, if you think that his dad possibly

1129
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 23: knew something that was going on because of the hour's

1130
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,280
Speaker 23: long phone calls the morning after you guys, Thank you.

1131
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 5: We love you too. By love you too.

1132
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 2: I want to go on record as saying, yes, I

1133
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 2: believe that dad, whether he was conscious of it or not.

1134
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily think that Brian directly told Dad. I

1135
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 2: don't think that he did. And I would imagine, and again,

1136
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 2: I hope never to be anywhere near a situation like this, right,

1137
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 2: but imagine you love your son and they're saying one thing,

1138
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 2: but somewhere in your gut, you know it's not accurate.

1139
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 2: He know in his heart. I have to assume, Yes,

1140
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 2: my personal opinion, it's based on nothing.

1141
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, well I have an opinion too, and I think

1142
00:57:55,040 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 6: I think that he probably talked to Mom that morning, know,

1143
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 6: and we know that they talked for a couple hours.

1144
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 6: And we also know that at nine am, when he was,

1145
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 6: you know, later pinged in Moscow the next morning, he

1146
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 6: was on the phone with Mom during that time. So

1147
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 6: he's driving back to Moscow after the murders, right nine

1148
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 6: am in the morning. He shows up in that area.

1149
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 6: We don't know specifically where. He's not on surveillance scene anywhere,

1150
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 6: but he's somewhere, right, Maybe he's driving by the house,

1151
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 6: maybe he's parked somewhere looking, we don't know, but he's

1152
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 6: on the phone with mother. He's on the phone mother now.

1153
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 6: Steve Gonsalves has has given some hints that he believes

1154
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 6: mom and Dad knew, and he has kind of hinted,

1155
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 6: you know, the day of the sentencing, you know, he

1156
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 6: didn't he went in obviously or no with the plea,

1157
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 6: the plea, the plea.

1158
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 2: Day it was he was science in court, he refused

1159
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 2: to go inside the building.

1160
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 5: She's the victims, right Father.

1161
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 6: Well, Steve was out in front giving kind of like

1162
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 6: a a news conference kind of thing to the bunch

1163
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 6: of reporters that were crowded around him, and he implied

1164
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:15,439
Speaker 6: that Dad purchased the ticket to fly to drive back

1165
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,439
Speaker 6: with Brian Coburger, you know, in that drive home. Yep,

1166
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 6: last minute, and it was an emergency.

1167
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 2: Trip, which is a different story than originally told, which

1168
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 2: was this was a long standing plan. Father and son

1169
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 2: were always intending on taking this road trip of sorts together.

1170
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, if suddenly he's getting tipped off and buying

1171
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 2: this ticket in the eleventh hour to fly down to

1172
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 2: get his kookie son out of Dodge and they took

1173
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 2: the weirdest way home.

1174
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 5: You know, it wasn't a direct riot route. They took the.

1175
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 2: Long way, the scenic view, the scenic route, and got

1176
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 2: pulled over twice by authorities, which is crazy from two

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00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 2: separate law enforcement agents.

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00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 6: Nine minutes apart, I mean literally two agencies. What is

1179
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 6: the But I will say, though Bill Thompson didn't, was it.

1180
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1181
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 6: Bill Thompson did an interview and I can't remember. I

1182
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 6: think it might be I think it might be the

1183
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 6: Idaho Statesman. And he said in the interview that there's

1184
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 6: no indication that mom, dad, or.

1185
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 5: The sisters knew.

1186
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 6: So it kind of blew my whole theory out the

1187
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 6: water because I kind of thought they did. I kind

1188
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 6: of even thought the sister might have called in a tip.

1189
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 6: That's what I kind of thought.

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01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 5: Many people said that, yeah.

1191
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 6: So but according to Bill Thompson, if he's telling the truth,

1192
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 6: I can't imagine that he would lie. But you know,

1193
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 6: I don't trust anybody, But yeah, according to him, they

1194
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 6: did not know.

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01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 5: I think they did.

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01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 7: Well, I don't know, because unless he himself. Coberger's father

1197
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 7: is somewhat of a sociopath, he was not flipping out

1198
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 7: when cop number one an Officer number two pulled them over.

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01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 7: I would be losing my brains. I think most people would.

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01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 7: And he appeared I thought he had nervous energy. I

1201
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 7: don't know.

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01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 5: My dad was nervous. I did. It was like blah

1203
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 5: blah blah blah blah blah buth.

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01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,439
Speaker 6: He was like nervous energy, talking like my son's a teacher,

1205
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 6: A da dada, and there's this like shooting and Dad

1206
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 6: he was just like rambling to me, well, remember there.

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01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 2: Had also been this shooting in and around the area.

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01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 5: But he was just given too much information.

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01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 2: Like when you get pulled over, When I get pulled over,

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01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 2: I've only been pulled over a few times.

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01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 5: Oh no, I'm very by my hands on the wheel

1212
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 5: and I shut my mouth. Oh my god, I'm like hysterical.

1213
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 2: It's so scary and honestly, like they're behind you and

1214
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 2: you're trying to pull over, and it's so horrifying.

1215
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 5: All I want to do is contress.

1216
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 2: I can't imagine having to keep secrets.

1217
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 5: I said it before.

1218
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 2: I go to the Miami Airport and they make you

1219
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 2: put your hands up in the air and go through

1220
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 2: that like spin thing, and I'm like, I feel so guilty.

1221
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 2: I don't do drugs and I don't carry guns, and

1222
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 2: somehow I think I should be confessing to something. So

1223
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 2: I can't imagine what those two clowns we're dealing with

1224
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 2: in that car that night.

1225
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 6: M Sam says, not to tell you any secrets because

1226
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 6: you're going to confess them all. No keeper to the

1227
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 6: listening to crime tonight, do not give Stephanie any of

1228
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 6: your secrets.

1229
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 5: Give us a call it eighty eight thirty one crime

1230
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 5: or hit us on the talkbacks on the iHeart Radio.

1231
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 5: What do we have next?

1232
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 24: Hey, ladies, is Ainsley calling from I have a question

1233
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 24: for body. You were talking about amber alerts and the

1234
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:24,479
Speaker 24: criteria for them. I was wondering if you can give

1235
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 24: a history of where they came from and then some

1236
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 24: of the criteria and as well as there are they

1237
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 24: only used for kids or are they used for adults too? Anyways,

1238
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 24: talk to you later, ladies.

1239
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 5: Wow, ye what a good question. Yeah, very clever question.

1240
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 5: So go ahead.

1241
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 7: Oh I was going to say the amber as you

1242
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 7: pulled together all your thoughts because that was a really deep,

1243
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 7: really involved question. But Amber alerts are for children, and

1244
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 7: then they have silver alerts for adults and older people.

1245
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, silver alerts. They also have one for adults that

1246
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 6: are not so they have the silver alerts for elderly people.

1247
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 6: They have endangered child alerts. For maybe children that aren't

1248
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 6: you know, seen in a car, but you know, endangered nonetheless,

1249
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 6: maybe they need medication or you know, they have some

1250
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 6: kind of disability, or if they believe that the child

1251
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 6: is at great risk of harm, that's an endangered child alert.

1252
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 6: Amber alerts. They had the silver alerts, which Court and

1253
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:27,959
Speaker 6: you already covered.

1254
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 5: I think it's a.

1255
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 6: Gray alert or a blue alert. Oh, a blue alert

1256
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 6: is for a police officer or first responder. There's one

1257
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 6: and I can't remember. I can know that, yeah, there's one,

1258
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 6: and and I can't remember if it's what color it is,

1259
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 6: but it's for the gap between silver and amber, and

1260
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 6: it's for like adults that are.

1261
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 5: You know, at risk.

1262
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 6: I just can't remember the color right now. And my

1263
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 6: understanding is that the Amber alert system was built around

1264
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 6: a girl that got kidnapped and her name was Amber,

1265
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 6: right right, And that's kind of.

1266
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 2: Which did not have a happy ending. No I did not,

1267
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 2: But the Amber alerts really do. It's an extraordinary effort

1268
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 2: and they're wildly effective. They are, which really speaks the community.

1269
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 2: He really speaks to us all working together and looking

1270
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 2: to each other and trusting in one another, and we

1271
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 2: can keep each other safe.

1272
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 7: Wow, And there are many it so I'm just in

1273
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 7: I don't know if this is California specific. I did

1274
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 7: a quick search and the California Highway Patrol website popped up.

1275
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 7: But yes, there's amber, there's blue. As you said, body,

1276
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 7: there's ebony feather alert.

1277
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1278
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 6: Oh the feather that's new by the way, for they

1279
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 6: didsona that was for indigenous folks.

1280
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's great. Yeah, that's a really good one. Yeah.

1281
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 6: And I think they're well, I think they're going to

1282
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 6: try to do a national one. They're gonna name it

1283
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 6: Turquoise Alerts for Missing and Murdered Indigenous or missing Indigenous

1284
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 6: people Turquoise. I just can't remember the color of the adult.

1285
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 5: Do you have that.

1286
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 2: Handy or let's see, it's not amber, it's not blue. Well,

1287
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 2: if you know, let us give us a call.

1288
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 5: I know there is one. I just have any cause

1289
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 5: for African American. Oh that's good people.

1290
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, but silver is actually just for over eighteen.

1291
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 5: Okay, Well I'll there. There's there's a new one and.

1292
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 6: It's supposed to take The silver is supposed to be

1293
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 6: for like you know, elderly folks, maybe they have dementia

1294
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 6: or you know they're struggling with some kind of you know,

1295
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 6: memory loss.

1296
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 5: Those are supposed to be for silver alerts.

1297
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 6: And they created a new one and it's supposed to

1298
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 6: be the gap for you know, the missing between you know,

1299
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 6: the elderly folks and the kids.

1300
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 5: I just can't remember the color. But thank you for

1301
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 5: the talkback. What else we got? Oh? Do we even

1302
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 5: have time for another one? I don't even if we

1303
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 5: have time for another one? Evening?

1304
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 2: No, we're I guess we're too tight on time.

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Speaker 5: Just about a minute left.

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Speaker 6: Oh, well then we can't do that. But yeah, the

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Speaker 6: Amberler system is incredibly effective. But the only problem with

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01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 6: the Ambler alerts, you guys, is that there has to

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Speaker 6: be a car scene. Right in many cases, you know,

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Speaker 6: if a kid runs away, there might not be a

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Speaker 6: car right, And there might not be because every single

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Speaker 6: Amber alert I've ever gotten is you know, last scene

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Speaker 6: in this white Cadillac license plate one two three for

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Speaker 6: five six seven out of Arkansas. Right, it's very rare.

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01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 6: There are Ambler alerts. Sebastian Rogers was one of them

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01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 6: who he got an Amber alert and there was no

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Speaker 6: car scene.

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Speaker 5: But they're super super rare.

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Speaker 25: Let's go to our next talkback, I ever wanted Cynthia

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Speaker 25: from Canada calling Carson. Neighborhood watch very popular in the

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01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 25: seventies and eighties in Canada as well, But today's neighborhood

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01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 25: watch is secure cameras and it's less personal.

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01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 5: But you know, we have a record of things.

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Speaker 25: And also homes are much farther away from roadways and

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01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 25: sidewalks today, and garages impede the vision of things. So

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Speaker 25: I can see why the personal neighborhood watch has kind

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Speaker 25: of disappeared. But also think about the Guardian Angels out

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Speaker 25: of New York. Having listened to Son of Sam.

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Speaker 6: Oh, Yeah, that's a really good point that I didn't

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01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 6: even consider. So maybe I didn't even consider that. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: you're right, Ring neighbor the ring cam is our neighborhood

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01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 6: watch now, right. But I think with neighborhood Watch, we

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01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 6: had like a sense of like purpose and community, you

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01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 6: know what I mean, Like there was right, like.

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01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 5: There were no bystanders.

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01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 2: You would feel confident that your neighbor would come and

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01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 2: save the day or recognize if something suspicious were in

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01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 2: the neighborhood or something suspicious in and around your home.

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Speaker 5: I love the iNTS that I.

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01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 6: Love the you know what, Thank you Cynthia, because I

1341
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 6: love that we put out a call. You called us in.

1342
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 6: We got the talkback right away. I love the talkbacks,

1343
01:07:59,280 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 6: I really do.

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01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 5: Boddy.

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01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 2: You need to get to know your neighbors. So maybe

1346
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 2: on your homework list is that you go and introduce

1347
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 2: yourself and maybe you bring a little cupcake or some pie.

1348
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 2: Go to the rest of your neighbors.

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01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 6: If I can get at and I order a steak

1350
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 6: and potatoes and they serve me salmon and green beans.

1351
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 6: I don't even complain. I'm just not a talker. I'm

1352
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 6: just not like, well I'm on a talk show. What

1353
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 6: not a talker? Having out of I don't approach people.

1354
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 6: I don't like go up to people. Hi, how you doing?

1355
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 6: You know, I just don't.

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01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 2: Do you it When I gave you so many hugs

1357
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 2: when I first that was different that I practically put

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01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 2: you in a headlock and gave you niokies, like I

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01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 2: couldn't get enough hugs on you if my life depended

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01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 2: on it. Well, you should get to know your neighbors.

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Speaker 2: My names really really nice. And Courtney has a whole

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Speaker 2: community over there. She's running a high stake spoiler room.

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Speaker 2: With her neighbors all the neighborhood problems.

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Speaker 5: Well, I don't know, we'll.

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Speaker 6: See, but thank you for the talk medium, Really we

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01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 6: really appreciate it.

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01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 5: What else we have?

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Speaker 15: Hi guys, is Tara from Alberta, Canada. Again, I just

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Speaker 15: want to say that I like to respond to my

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01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 15: question last time about the Virginia Missing Children. And I

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Speaker 15: was wondering if you guys have heard about Mark Twitchell,

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Speaker 15: the truth head case here in Canada. It's pretty infamous.

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01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 15: He's now in jail, but he's dubbed Dexter Killer, and

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Speaker 15: I was just wondering to see if you guys knew

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01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 15: anything about that and then he could possibly cover it

1376
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 15: because it's really, I would say, morbidly curious.

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Speaker 6: Thank you a hundred million percent infa. It is so interesting.

1378
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 6: So this guy, he was obsessed with the Dexter Show.

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01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 6: Do you guys know the Dexter Show on showtime? Of course, unbelievable.

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Speaker 5: It was so good.

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Speaker 6: While he was like putting, uh what dating what he

1382
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 6: had dating profile and he was pretending to be a woman,

1383
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 6: and he was making films and like he set up

1384
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 6: this whole kill room and like lured somebody to the

1385
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 6: room and he was going to like film them getting

1386
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 6: tied up. He went too far. So if you don't

1387
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:11,640
Speaker 6: know who Dexter is, Dexter is a character on Showtime

1388
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 6: show Dexter. He's a blood spatter analysis, okay, and he

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01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 6: his mother gets killed and he witnesses it and he's

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01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 6: sitting in blood. So he has like this disdain.

1391
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Speaker 5: A baby. So he has like this disdain for killers,

1392
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:30,720
Speaker 5: so he hunts killers and he kills them. Oh my

1393
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:34,639
Speaker 5: poor dog, Oh my goodness. So yeah, it's so interesting.

1394
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 5: It's so good.

1395
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:39,719
Speaker 6: And Mark Twitchell's case is so interesting we absolutely should

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01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:42,800
Speaker 6: cover it. Maybe we could cover it during the Halloween week.

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01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 5: I'm a Foh you know it's Friday the thirteenth this year,

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01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:49,639
Speaker 5: is it?

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01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 15: Yeah?

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01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 2: I think Halloween falls on a Friday this year, but

1401
01:10:53,160 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 2: not Friday the thirty first.

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01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:08,799
Speaker 10: That doesn't say it all. That doesn't say it all.

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01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 5: There's no recovery from that. I should be youthized. Can

1404
01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 5: somebody just take it out and I'll be You'll be

1405
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 5: for We're gonna have to edit the side of the podcast.

1406
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:23,759
Speaker 2: I know it is, okay, you can leave it live

1407
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,639
Speaker 2: and real with a straight face.

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01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 5: I love it. That's so funny.

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01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:31,680
Speaker 6: But now, Mark Twitchell, please we have to go work.

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01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 6: Thank you so much for the talkback. It's really one

1411
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 6: of the most fascinating cases. I looked into it because

1412
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:41,480
Speaker 6: of Luca, because Luca put out an ad on Craigslist

1413
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:44,680
Speaker 6: that he wanted to film a movie and that's basically

1414
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:49,040
Speaker 6: one of the things that he did to meet somebody, Okay,

1415
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 6: so uh and of course he did meet somebody, and

1416
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 6: of course that was John Lynn.

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01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 5: And you know, anyway, so.

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01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 6: I researched Mark Twitchell because it was similar, you know,

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01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:01,839
Speaker 6: and that's how all right, because he was also Canadian

1420
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:04,680
Speaker 6: on top of it. So yeah, I know a lot

1421
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 6: of weird stuff. I mean, let me just tell you

1422
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 6: that I know.

1423
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 5: A lot of weird stuff. Thank you so much for

1424
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 5: the talkback. What else do we have? What's next?

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01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 22: Hey, lady Stephanie from Ohio. I just wanted to do

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01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:19,519
Speaker 22: a quick comment on the missing baby in California and

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01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 22: in history, it seems like when a baby is missing,

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01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:26,719
Speaker 22: a lot of times the cops focus on the parents

1429
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 22: and it's more of your guilty until proven innocent, and

1430
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:33,639
Speaker 22: based upon their ethnicity, maybe they want to be more

1431
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:35,840
Speaker 22: out of the spotlight due to the political climate and

1432
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 22: fear of being deported thoughts.

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01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:43,640
Speaker 6: Oh, well, you know, normally I probably would agree with you,

1434
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 6: you know that, But I just I don't think that's

1435
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 6: the case here. I think that I think that the cops, listen,

1436
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 6: making an arrest, getting a probable cause warrant without a

1437
01:12:56,200 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 6: body is so hard, it is so difficult. So they

1438
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 6: had enough to arrest them. So there's got to be

1439
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 6: something there, right, And then the mother's story, you know that, Oh,

1440
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 6: somebody said O lah to me and you know, knocked

1441
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 6: me unconscious, and there's literally no evidence of that.

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01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 5: There's no evidence of that.

1443
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 6: And you know, then of course Jake Harrow, who is

1444
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 6: the father of Emmanuel Horrow and his history with children

1445
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,760
Speaker 6: is not good. And then of course we see him

1446
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:33,599
Speaker 6: in the orange jumpsuit earlier this week on the side

1447
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:37,839
Speaker 6: of the highway, possibly trying to tell police or something

1448
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 6: where maybe the body is. You know, there's there's a

1449
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 6: lot here, and I do think or there's smoke, there's fire.

1450
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:45,519
Speaker 5: With this case.

1451
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 6: But normally I would agree with you, because I'm very

1452
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 6: much the person that does not blame the parents. Initially,

1453
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 6: I wait, I sit back, you know what I mean,

1454
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:57,599
Speaker 6: Like It's just horrible to think that you know you're

1455
01:13:57,640 --> 01:13:59,559
Speaker 6: missing a child and now you're getting blamed for it

1456
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 6: on top of it. Right, that's horrifying. But I do

1457
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:05,679
Speaker 6: think in this case, I do think there's some smoke

1458
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 6: or some fire.

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01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:11,519
Speaker 2: And if you know, that's the protocol, if God forbid,

1460
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 2: something happened to your child and you knew that first

1461
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:17,599
Speaker 2: up is going to be me as the first person

1462
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 2: of interest or you know, Dad or whomever. That's just common.

1463
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 2: So you think you would want to like blow through

1464
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:26,600
Speaker 2: that process as fast as possible and be as forthcoming

1465
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 2: as possible with authorities, take whatever test, give whatever it

1466
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 2: is needed, because you want the word out.

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01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 5: You'd be screaming from the rooftops. Right.

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01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 6: And by the way, they were charged officially today, Yeah,

1469
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 6: so mom, Mom was a charge with false report of

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01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:46,440
Speaker 6: a crime, murder in the first degree and depth child jurisdiction.

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Speaker 5: I don't know what that is.

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01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 6: And then Dad was charged with false report of a crime,

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01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 6: murder with malice, willful harm of a child, felony, possession

1474
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:59,600
Speaker 6: of a firearm, prohibited ownership, et cetera of AMMO. So

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01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:02,519
Speaker 6: there's there, there's something there, and we just don't know

1476
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 6: what it is yet. Hopefully we'll get a PCA soon

1477
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 6: and we'll find out. But I think they're going to

1478
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:06,840
Speaker 6: want the body.

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01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:11,599
Speaker 5: First there on each other. Do you think no love loss?

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01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 5: Do you think yeah? I think that's right. I think

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01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 5: Dad was given a tour of what under the bus?

1482
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 5: Do you think mom did something? Yeah, I think it was.

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01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:21,840
Speaker 5: I think Dad's going to throw Mom under the bus.

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01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 2: And I are at the scene doing a little talk

1485
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 2: in a little walk with the authorities.

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01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 6: In the document release today, the cops said that he

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01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 6: has been missing it from August fifth, So he's been missing.

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01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 6: Remember the other day, I was like, I think he's

1489
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 6: been missing, right, Yeah, he's been missing longer than reported.

1490
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 7: There's something that is something you don't I mean a baby, right?

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01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 5: Baby?

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01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 7: You know?

1493
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah.

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01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 7: Well listen, we are definitely going to be covering this

1495
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:52,120
Speaker 7: as more information unfolds. Thank you so much for that

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01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 7: talk back, Yes very much. You're listening right now to

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Speaker 7: True Crime Tonight, and I'm Courtney Armstrong. I'm here with

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Speaker 7: Stephanie Leidecker, who heads up Katie's Studios, which produces really

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Speaker 7: gorgeous and thoughtful and unbelievably well researched documentaries in true crime,

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Speaker 7: as well as podcasts and quick plug. The Idaho Massacre

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Speaker 7: Season three is airing now, so go take a listen.

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Speaker 7: It's a lot of insight from a lot of experts.

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Speaker 2: Recognize the voice Courtney Armstrong is so good on it.

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Speaker 5: We love your voice, crist and oh you're.

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Speaker 7: So sweet, and all of us, I mean, yeah, we're

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Speaker 7: all you know on it and Joseph Scott Morgan forensics expert.

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Speaker 7: So okay, I got very off topic, but if you

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Speaker 7: want to join our conversation, give us a call eighty

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Speaker 7: to eighty three to one crime and for now we

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Speaker 7: will go to a thing that body has to say,

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Speaker 7: and then.

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Speaker 6: Why I was just going to remind people tomorrow's true

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Speaker 6: crime and chill and your homeworkers do Son of Sam?

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Speaker 6: The Son of Sam tapes Confessions of a Killer Netflix

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Speaker 6: all three episodes. We're going to be discussing it tomorrow.

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Speaker 6: If you want to call in, write down the number

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Speaker 6: eighty eight three one crime, or leave us a talkback

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Speaker 6: in preparation as soon as you're done watching it, leave

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Speaker 6: us a talk back and let us know your thoughts,

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Speaker 6: love us know your questions, like what did you get

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Speaker 6: out of it?

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Speaker 5: You know, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. We're going

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Speaker 5: to be talking about it tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: When are we going to talk about Amanda Knox? When

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Speaker 2: we watched that one? Mmm, I've already deired that one too,

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Speaker 2: Apparently I have no life. How is this possible that

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Speaker 2: I've seen that?

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Speaker 5: Also? You watched it already. I've already watched it. Did

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Speaker 5: you watch the one on Hulu or the one on Netflix?

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Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure the one of whom old Monica

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Speaker 2: Lewinsky one? Okay, I haven't seen that one. I'm not

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Speaker 2: totally sure what Monica Lewinsky was on it?

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Speaker 6: Monica da Knox, Yeah, Monica Lewinsky was on the Amanda

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Speaker 6: Knox documentary.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, it was much the ABC News.

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Speaker 5: Somebody get in my back here, I know I have

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Speaker 5: not I.

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Speaker 7: Kind of feel like you were falling in and out

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Speaker 7: of sleep and like unconscious.

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Speaker 5: But I do believe.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Vargas, who's my girl on the A B SE

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Speaker 2: News that I love?

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Speaker 5: Nicole Vargas? Is that her first lie last name? Vargus?

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Speaker 2: For sure, she's on it and is highlighted, and some

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01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 2: Monica Lewinsky is on it. Amanda Knox herself is on it,

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Speaker 2: and by the way, I thought it was pretty compelling.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Vargas, Elizabeth Vargas, I love Elizabeth Vargas.

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Speaker 5: Let me know who that is.

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Speaker 2: Oh, she's so cute and smart. But she's in it.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know what that would have been. I

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Speaker 2: think that was on ABC.

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Speaker 5: Hmmm, I don't know. Stephanie had a little riddle Monica

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Speaker 5: Lewinsky and the Man of NOx. Maybe I saw that

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Speaker 5: on Friday at thirteen maybe.

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Speaker 7: Everyone's favorite Halloween Day.

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Speaker 5: Very interesting, you know.

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Speaker 7: Actually it would make sense actually because both at young ages,

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Speaker 7: were brought into the public eye in an international and

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Speaker 7: unrelenting way.

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Speaker 5: So maybe she made it.

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Speaker 2: Maybe Monica, Yeah, she pe second of producer, but she

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Speaker 2: was on it.

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Speaker 5: All right. I believe you were awaken. This exists, and.

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Speaker 2: We swear shine and we all have the undeniable giggle.

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Speaker 10: What's worse.

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Speaker 5: I don't know why we all find it. We all

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01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:18,720
Speaker 5: have like church giggles right now, our apologies. I think

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01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 5: Listen until Tuesdays is a blast. It is literally our favorite.

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Speaker 5: So it's less heavy, right, it's less holy.

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Speaker 2: I mean, like we have talked about some heavy things

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01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 2: we do. We get to talk to people, and everyone is.

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Speaker 6: So smart and so nice.

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Speaker 2: And Courtney once she had somebody slide into her sad.

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Speaker 7: I am repulsed by myself. I would like to apologize one.

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Speaker 5: More time for that crazy uh never again, there is

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01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 5: it a celebrity. I can't into your dms. My goodness.

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Speaker 2: Fun?

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Speaker 5: Okay, all right, well pull you back to you and

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Speaker 5: Halloween on right. I mean I'll never live it down before.

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Speaker 5: I shouldn't. That's pretty bad. We need to roll it in.

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Speaker 5: We need to wrap it up. Okay, And I have

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Speaker 5: a DM.

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Speaker 6: It is not a sexy one, but I did have

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Speaker 6: a DM. This is from Kristen and it says, regarding

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Speaker 6: Brian Koeberger and the drive home with his father who

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Speaker 6: drives all the way across the country for Thanksgiving, you

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Speaker 6: have to be back the following monday for class. Was

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Speaker 6: he not planning to return? It seemed so fishy to

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Speaker 6: me that his dad knew nothing As a parent, I

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Speaker 6: would have so many questions about why he wanted to

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Speaker 6: drive home. Great question, Love the DM, But he was

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Speaker 6: not due back on the following monday. He was going

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Speaker 6: to be He was supposed to be there until after Christmas,

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Speaker 6: when the semester restarted. But guess what, he got fired,

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Speaker 6: so he was never going back. Right, once you get fired,

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Speaker 6: I mean, he's going to be losing tuition, he's going

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Speaker 6: to be losing his special housing, he's going to be

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Speaker 6: losing all his benefits, he's not going to be a

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Speaker 6: teacher's assistant anymore, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But

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Speaker 6: he didn't tell anybody this happened, so as far as

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Speaker 6: his parent to do, he was going to be there

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Speaker 6: for about a month, right, And then he gets there, right,

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Speaker 6: and on Christmas Day he's reading about you know, this

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Speaker 6: white Alantra in the New York Times, and he's panicking.

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01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:15,559
Speaker 6: He starts googling himself and googling psychosis, and he's he's

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Speaker 6: googling all these things, and he's also googling, how do

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Speaker 6: I get rid of this white car? Like he is

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01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 6: starting to He is un unraveling real time. But yeah,

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Speaker 6: back to your DM, though, it seems so ficient to

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Speaker 6: me that his dad knew nothing. I agree, Kristen, I

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Speaker 6: totally agree. It does seem fishy to me too. If

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Speaker 6: I have a kid, and I well, if I have

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Speaker 6: three kids, right, and two of them are successful, you know,

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Speaker 6: wonderful children, as his sisters.

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Speaker 5: Seem to be.

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Speaker 6: And then I got this weirdo, right autism aside, I

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Speaker 6: have autism.

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Speaker 5: I'm not.

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Speaker 6: I'm not like Brian Coberger has nothing to do with that,

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Speaker 6: right autism aside, you got this weirdo. I would be

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Speaker 6: wondering too, like, hm hmm, there was this murder, you know,

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Speaker 6: five miles from his house. My son has a cilantra.

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Speaker 6: He bought a k bar and it had it shipped

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Speaker 6: to my house. I would be like, something's fishy here.

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Speaker 7: We would have to assume also that they knew he

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Speaker 7: bought a k bar, and we knew.

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Speaker 5: I have no idea.

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Speaker 7: The boxes arrived from my husband every other day from Amazon.

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Speaker 7: I don't know, you know what kind of what's in them?

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Speaker 5: Do you guys share an account? No, they do, because

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Speaker 5: oh they did it? Did the fourth documents say a

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Speaker 5: family account? That's right, I forgot.

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Speaker 2: But ps, I don't know Amazon account from your husband's.

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Speaker 7: I think it's a key to a healthy marriage. You

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01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 7: need the person you live with knowing it free ointment

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Speaker 7: you use like.

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Speaker 10: Or if you're going to buy them a.

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Speaker 5: Gift, that's true. The gift thing I mean the.

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Speaker 7: Gift, but no, I yeah, fair, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I think it's fishy.

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Speaker 6: I think it's a very fair question. We don't know

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Speaker 6: the answer to that. Maybe someday we'll get answers. I

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01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 6: do think Brian Koberger is going to squeal soon. I

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01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:01,280
Speaker 6: don't know when the gonna happen, but as at tension

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01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 6: dies down, I think he's gonna miss it. I think

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01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 6: he's gonna miss it and he's gonna start talking. What

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Speaker 6: do you guys think?

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01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:09,240
Speaker 7: I think he won't be able to help himself.

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Speaker 5: And yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't find know what the answer is there. But guys, listen,

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Speaker 2: we're going to be back tomorrow. So this night is

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Speaker 2: already a rap. It's been extraordinary. So tomorrow make sure

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Speaker 2: you watch. Are you watching, because we have our true

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Speaker 2: crime and chilled night one, So Sena, Sam, this is

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Speaker 2: true crime tonight. We're talking true crime all the time.

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Speaker 14: Matth