1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm 4 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon. This is episode number two hundred 5 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: and nineteen, and today on the show, I'm joined by 6 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: outdoor writer and whitetail habitat consultant Steve Bartilla. He's a 7 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: tremendous resource, and today we're taking a deep dive into 8 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: his white tail habitat management principles and philosophies. All right, 9 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast, brought to you 10 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: by Onyx Maps. 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If you want more information, you can visit 33 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: onyx maps dot com or search for Onyx Maps on 34 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: whatever app store you use for your phone, and that's 35 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: on X that's o n X maps. Now. As for 36 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: today's show, like I mentioned at the top, we're joined 37 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: by Steve Bartilla and Steve as an outdoor writer who's 38 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: been published in magazines such as North American White Tail 39 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 1: and Deer and Deer Hunting Magazine. He's also the host 40 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: or co host of several Deer Hunting TV and web shows. 41 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: He's the author of a handful of books such as 42 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 1: Big Buck Secrets and White Tailed Deer Management and the 43 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: Habitat Improvement. And it's that last topic that we're going 44 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: to cover today with him, habitat management. And you might 45 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: have noticed this spring we we've talked a pretty decent 46 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: bit about habitat. We've actually had three different habitat management 47 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: experts on the show here just over the last couple 48 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: of weeks or months, um And what I think is 49 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: cool now after having chatted with all three of these 50 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: guys and other than Steve, the other two were Jeff 51 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 1: Sturgis on episode and Jake Ellinger on episode two fourteen, 52 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: you know, after chatting with these guys, it became very 53 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: quickly apparent to me and anyone who's listened to this 54 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: that there are a million different ways to approach improving 55 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: habitat for deer and wildlife. But just as it is 56 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: with other aspects of deer hunting, there are a whole 57 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: lot of different ways to skin this cat. But what 58 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: all three of these folks had in common was that 59 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: they have this really strong passion for and excitement for 60 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: the animals and the land and for ways that we 61 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: can both give back to the resource and also improve 62 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: our hunting experience. And that's what I love about this 63 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: whole habitat thing. You know. I'm fortunately I have a 64 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: couple of properties where I am able to do some 65 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: tinkering with the land, and that that has given me 66 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: this really neat opportunity to more deeply get to know 67 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: these properties and the local deer and then move around 68 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: the pieces of the pals of myself and and see 69 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: what happens. And I found that very very interesting, very fascinating, 70 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: you know, being an addict to the whole strategy element 71 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: of deer hunting, being able to now adjust habitat it 72 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: just adds this whole new exciting layer to the hunting equation. 73 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: But above and beyond all that, you know, being able 74 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: to do habitat work, I think at least it offers 75 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: this this meaningful opportunity to engage with the land and 76 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: animals in a different way. And I know I've mentioned 77 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: this on some previous podcasts, so forgive me for being 78 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: a broken record, but we once you dive into this 79 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: habitat work, it's it's like this veil is taken off. 80 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: Your eyes are open to this whole new world, and 81 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: once you get into the stuff, you develop a whole 82 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: new appreciation for an understanding of soil and sun and 83 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: rain and plant life and all sorts of things like that. 84 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: And I think, in my opinion, that just really enriches 85 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: your experience as a hunter. And that's at least why 86 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: this has been so compelling for me. Now for all 87 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 1: of you out there who don't have a property where 88 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: you can manage habitat, you know, I can relate to 89 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: that too, as as most of the rest of my 90 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: properties that I hunt, I'm in a similar boat. I'm 91 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: not able to manage any habitat. I'm not able to 92 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: change things. But there's this whole other, really interesting, different 93 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: type of strategy and challenge and excitement that's available with 94 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: those sense of hunts, you know, where it's all about 95 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: understanding natural movements and how terrain and hunting pressure and 96 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 1: all those things impact dear and how you hunt them. 97 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: And I think even though you might not be able 98 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: to take habitat improvement advice from a podcast like this 99 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: and apply it directly to a property you own, you 100 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: know just exactly how they're talking about. You might not 101 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: be able to go take food plot information and use 102 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: it to plant food plot. You can still use many 103 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: of the things we talk about in your own hunting 104 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: by just better understanding what types of features or habitats 105 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: deer prefore prefer, or different ways to approach your hunting 106 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: strategy using some of these habitat or terrain focused ideas. 107 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: You know, even without changing habitat. I think there's ways 108 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: to put this stuff into play. Especially in today's episode. 109 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: I think you're gonna find some concepts and philosophies that 110 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: can apply to really any deer hunting situation. Steve has 111 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: been one of my very favorite guests on the podcast. 112 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: He's been on twice before, back on episode twenty two 113 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: and episode one hundred and sixteen, and if haven't listened 114 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: to those, I'd highly recommend you check them out there. 115 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: Like I said, two of my favorites, jam packed with information, 116 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 1: much more focused on hunting, timing your hunts, patterning deer, 117 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 1: lots of stuff like that. Um, it's good stuff, but 118 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: today he brings it back. He's brought his a game. 119 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: He didn't have disappoint So that said, I guess, without 120 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 1: further any ado, let's quickly think our partners at White 121 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: Tailed Properties and then let's get to that interview with Steve. 122 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: So this week I wanted to call out a helpful 123 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: resource put together by the land and deer and management 124 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 1: experts over at White Tailed Properties, and that is their 125 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: land Beat video series on YouTube. Now. I've been mentioning 126 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: this for a few weeks now, and today I wanted 127 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 1: to call out another specific video that I recommend you 128 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 1: check out. And this new video features the one and 129 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: only Dr Craig Harper and he is one of the 130 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: very most interesting and well versed habitat experts in the country. 131 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: And speaking of past podcast guests, he was on episode 132 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: number one hundred and three and it is amazing, so 133 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: be sure to check that one out too. But in 134 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: this video, he discusses the value of improving brushy fence 135 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: rows and other small random areas on your property for wildlife. 136 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: By removing non native grasses and encouraging the growth of 137 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: other native forge, the wildlife can actually benefit from. It's short, 138 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: but sweet, and if you head over to the White 139 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: Tail Properties YouTube channel or just go on YouTube and 140 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: search for the title which is maintaining brushy fence rows, 141 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: you should be able to find it. It's well worth 142 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: a watch. And if you want more from white Tail Properties, 143 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: you can visit their website at white Tail properties dot com. 144 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: And now let's get to my conversation with Steve Bartilla. 145 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: I really think you're gonna enjoy it. I hope you do. 146 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: So here we go. All right, I'm back here today 147 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: with what is now his third appearance on the podcast, 148 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: Steve Bartilla. Thanks for joining us against Steve. Oh hey, 149 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: my absolutely my pleasure. Mark. It's it's been every time 150 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: you've been on the show before, they've been some of 151 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: my absolute favorites. I think you do a really nice 152 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: job of of of helping people understand things in a 153 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: in a language that makes sense and that people can 154 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: actually apply to their to their real life. So so 155 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: I've always appreciate that about you. But on those past 156 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: two episodes, we really focused on the hunting side of things, 157 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: you know. I think that first episode was really all 158 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: about patterning bucks, and then the second episode we talked 159 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: more about you know, how to stack your odds from 160 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: a hunting standpoint, you know when to hunt, where to hunt, uh, 161 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: you know, using trail cameras, thoughts on the ruts, stuff 162 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: along those lines. But we haven't really covered ever in 163 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 1: much detail, though, is what we can do from from 164 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 1: a management perspective, whether it be habitat or actual herd management. 165 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: Things you can do, you know, in the off season 166 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: to improve your hunting. Things you can do during the season, 167 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: um to impact future hunting seasons. And that's kind of 168 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,839 Speaker 1: what I want to talk about today. Um, Since the 169 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,719 Speaker 1: last time we talked, I did read one of your 170 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: books that covers this topic called White Tailed Deer Management 171 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: and Habitat Improvement, and you've covered a lot of really 172 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: interesting stuff. I loved the visual approach you took to 173 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: things with lots of diagrams. UM. So I'm kind of 174 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: hoping that we can somehow articulate as much of what 175 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: you covered in that book or at least introduced in 176 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: those concepts. But we're not to do it with our voices. 177 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: We can't do it visually. So UM, I guess excuse me. 178 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: Number one? Does that sound like a good plan to you? Steve? Okay? 179 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: So the number two what I'm curious about. First, you 180 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: talk about this a lot in your book and in 181 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: some of the different video series you have, you talk 182 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: about the importance of Before you get into any of 183 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: these habitat projects, then the importance of understanding and mapping 184 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: your property, really having a good plan in place and 185 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: maybe even a physical map in place. Can you talk 186 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: about why that's important and how you how you do that? 187 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: I sure will, But keeping with my tradition of our 188 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: podcast s, I'm going to take us off on a tangent, 189 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: and that is you mentioned something in the in the 190 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: build up here about you making it so that the 191 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: stuff is, you know, the audience can understand, you know, 192 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: putting it in simple terms, all that type of stuff. 193 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: We are we are blessed and cursed right now, and 194 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: that there's so dang much information out there, and that 195 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: is awesome. Problem is just trying to figure out what 196 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: information is good what information is bad right off the bat, 197 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 1: if we're talking hunting, or if we're talking habitat improvement, 198 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: if somebody's trying to make this stuff sound way too 199 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: complex to understand, either they don't understand it or they're 200 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: trying to sell yourselfthing. We're we're talking, we're talking to 201 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: white tails, We're talking I hate to swear here, but 202 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: we're talking simple animals. You know that this stuff is 203 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 1: not overly complex. If as I said, every time somebody 204 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: tries to make it so the first two thoughts to 205 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: pop into my head is either you don't know what 206 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: you're talking about, or you're trying to make money off me. 207 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: Because nothing, none of this stuff is overly complex, and 208 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: what once once? You wants to see the picture now 209 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: and painting the picture isn't that hard it Actually, in 210 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: this case, it all starts out with goals every one 211 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: of us has. We're all the same in a lot 212 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: of ways, and that we're driven by white tails. We 213 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 1: want to make it our property if we own Speaking 214 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: of this specific topic, um, we want to go ahead 215 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: and make our property as good as we can if 216 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: we own it or lease it and have control over it. 217 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: If we don't. A lot of us someday we want to, 218 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:51,719 Speaker 1: but we all have different goals. The key to achieving 219 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: goals in this or frankly, in my humble opinion, life 220 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: in general, figure out what it is you want. First 221 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: identify what your goals are. And that sounds silly because 222 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: especially in something like this, well, obviously all our goals 223 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: are to raise the biggest, the most and the biggest 224 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: bucks we possibly can. Know. That's not true. I've actually 225 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: sold this business now a couple of years back, but 226 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: I did that. I did habitat evaluations, slash plans for 227 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: clients based stuff of aerial photos. Now did a whole 228 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 1: bunch of those. I'll tell you what the goals are all. 229 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: I mean, George has got George's fifty eight years old, 230 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: He's starting to have grandkids, and man, he wants a 231 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: place for his grandkids to play. And yeah, if they 232 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: can go ahead and kill some big bucks, awesome, But 233 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: really he wants a place for them to go ahead 234 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: and be able to goof around though, have fun. We 235 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: just to make darn sure I don't miss this. Now. 236 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: One of the biggest myths and all this stuff is 237 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: you have to have deep pockets and you have to 238 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: have sprawling, sprawling acres of ground to make any kind 239 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: of difference in habitat improvement bologning. You hear about the 240 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: stuff that costs money, because I mean, I have to 241 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: be preaching the player here with you. Market We're we 242 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: hear about the things that cost money because this is 243 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: a business, you know, the hunt like it or not. 244 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:28,719 Speaker 1: The outdoor industry is an industry. You know, the magazines 245 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: and TV shows, all these places need money. Flowing in 246 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: and um or they cannot they cannot present their message. Well, 247 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: you know what, there's not a lot of companies that 248 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: produced the simple handsaw that are sponsors of the stuff. 249 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: You can do an awful lot with his handsaw. You go, 250 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: you get a change, so you can do a heck 251 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: of a lot more. Now, there's all sorts of stuff 252 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: that we can do that doesn't have to cost us 253 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: hardly anything. I'm one of the biggest things I'm doing 254 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: this time of year, well all times a year, is 255 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: bending down licking branches. But it all begins with identifying 256 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: your goals. Okay, if I know what my goal is 257 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: now in virtually anything in life, now I can backtrack 258 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: and how lay out a plan and how to achieve 259 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: that goal. Is it going to go that nice and 260 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: smooth and simple and easy. Heck no, No. I go 261 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: ahead and try to try to live by live by 262 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: the credo of being rigidly flexible. I got a plan, 263 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: I've got a plan. But man, when my plans there's 264 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: going south, you know, And I'm going to figure out 265 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: a different way of I'm going to figure out a 266 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: different approach. I'm gonna change stuff up now. Um, So 267 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: first figure out what it is you want, and they 268 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: have to be realistic wants. If you own a if 269 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: you own a twenty in norther in Wisconsin, Odd's Hire, 270 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: you're not gonna be You're not gonna be setting up 271 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: to kill booners. Well, jeez, maybe once in your life 272 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: you'll have the opportunity to kill a booner. And when 273 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: do you do awesome? If you're if you're down in Florida, 274 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: you're not setting your ground up to manage for hundred 275 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: and sixty inch bocks. It once the lifetime, maybe, but 276 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: you have to have realistic expectations. Part of the way 277 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: you figure out what's your realistic expectations is is what 278 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: what's going on around you. If if the biggest bucks 279 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: in your colony, that's what is consistently being drugged from 280 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: your colony is the biggest box, that's about the best 281 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: you're gonna hope for, and that's awesome, that is that 282 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: is awesome. But if your area is producing consistently, the 283 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: top end is one one thirty, and there's a lot 284 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: of areas out there to stick on my tangent deal. 285 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: The worst gauge of how good a hunter is is 286 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: what they put down for inches, because you know what, 287 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: there's a lot of areas where heck, you don't have 288 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: a hundred and thirty buck, and it's real hard to 289 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: kill a hundred and thirty inch buck when it isn't there. Um, 290 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: But go ahead, look around the area. What what is 291 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: this area consistently producing for a top end? That's my goal? 292 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: Am I going to be able to kill, to draw 293 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: and kill the top end? Dear every single year onto 294 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: my ground? No, but that's gonna be my goal because 295 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: that I can achieve at least a percentage of the time. 296 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: Um that learn your habitat. You have to know what 297 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: you have on that ground before you ever start making improvements. 298 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: One of the biggest mistakes I think so many of 299 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: us make, I know I made when I first started, 300 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: is Okay, I got me a bag of seeds? Where 301 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: can I slap it? Now? If you take that approach, 302 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 1: how does that be in the best place to put 303 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 1: in a food plot? Really aren't that good? How are 304 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: you going to get to that location? How are you 305 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: going to hunt that location? How are you going to 306 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: get out without deer knowing you're there? Because one of 307 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: the biggest things that I me personally I'm trying to 308 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: do whether it used to be when I was setting 309 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: up these plans for clients or now I do uh um, 310 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: long term consulting for a handful of people each year. 311 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 1: You want to manufacture high odds, low impact overstand locations 312 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: because we can hunt the snot out of our grounds 313 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 1: as long as deer don't know we're there. But that 314 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: doesn't happen. That does not happen naturally hardly at all. 315 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: So what you do is you look at your ground. 316 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 1: How can I access? What areas can I get to 317 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: and get out of without messing anything up? And now 318 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: how can I go ahead and lay out a deer 319 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: flow A gentle When I'm talking dear flow, I do 320 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: not mean that every dear and this property is going 321 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: to do what I'm going what I'm trying to convince 322 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 1: them to do every single time, that's not going to occur. 323 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: What we're going to do those We're going to encourage 324 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 1: them to flow through our property in a way that 325 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: takes them hie high high odds low impact stands and 326 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: waste their time on our ground. But the way you 327 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 1: do that is you start first by identifying what am 328 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 1: I really trying to trying to achieve because if I'm 329 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: that guy who wants his grandkids playing out on my ground, 330 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that I can't hunt it. And I 331 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: have great hunting too. That means that I need a 332 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: division of church and state. This area over here, the 333 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 1: area that isn't that great for deer. Oh heck, they 334 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: can ride a t v s around here, they can 335 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: shoot squirrels, they can go rabbit hunt, and they can 336 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 1: be stupid kids playing out in the woods just like 337 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: I was. And I'll tell you what that is some 338 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:20,120 Speaker 1: dangn precious time for a kid. But this area over here, 339 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: we leave that area alone. And now, because we happen 340 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: to have this this the neighbor has a twenty acre 341 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: field and we have woods that butts up against it. Okay, 342 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 1: And there happens to be a nasty, nasty erosion ditch 343 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: running from the edge of his field down into the 344 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: creek that goes through our property, and on that side 345 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: he'll along our property line. Well, geez, if that ditch 346 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: is tough enough that the deer can't cross, that's the 347 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 1: funnel right there, and you're gonna be pushing most of 348 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: the deer down to the bottom or wrapping the tip 349 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: because crossing that erosion ut is too tough for them, 350 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 1: assuming it's a nasty, nasty erosion cut. Okay, well, I 351 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 1: want them to be walking along at that edge quite 352 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: a bit because I can pop just five six ten 353 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: yards into the woods, and I'm hunting those deer that 354 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: are wrapping that tip, and so if I can get 355 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 1: them to flow that way, jeez, I just went ahead 356 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: and manufactured of pretty darn high odds low impact stand. 357 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: I'm five yards in the woods and I might as 358 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: well be hunting the center of my woods, but I've 359 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 1: got the wind blown over to the out into the 360 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 1: neighbor's field. I can hunt that stand over and over 361 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: and over and over and over again, as long as 362 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: I stick to the wind and and slip just barely 363 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: inside inside that the um woodline down my property line 364 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 1: to pop into that stand. All that type of stuff 365 00:20:55,800 --> 00:21:00,040 Speaker 1: begins by identifying what your goals are, studying your ground on, 366 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: figuring out what you've got that you can take advantage of, 367 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,199 Speaker 1: and then you can take it another step. And that 368 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 1: is what don't the neighbors have? What do the neighbors have? 369 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 1: What don't they take inventory of? That because if and 370 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 1: not every not every property set up well for this. 371 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: But if if your goal is to get dear to 372 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 1: spend the disproportionate amount of time on your ground, I 373 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 1: need to pause there for a second. What does disproportionate 374 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,959 Speaker 1: amount of time on your ground mean? It means that 375 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: they're spending more time. If you want a forty, they're 376 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 1: spending more time on that one forty of their home 377 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,199 Speaker 1: range than they are on every any other forties on 378 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: their home range. Does that mean they're gonna leave? Of 379 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: course they're gonna leave, But the more unless you put 380 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: up a high fence. But the more time they spend 381 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: on that property during daylight, the higher the odds of 382 00:21:55,880 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: you being able to get the shot and or actually, 383 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 1: we get this animal another year because you don't want 384 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: the neighbors. As long as that's a legal dear, they 385 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 1: have every rate in the world to shoot that animal 386 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: if it once it jumps defense, whether you decide to 387 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,360 Speaker 1: pass it or not, that is their right. And if 388 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 1: they shoot it, they deserve nothing but our praise because 389 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: the stuff is supposed to be fun. We don't have that. 390 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: I don't have the right to impose my will on 391 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: every other hunter out there. But giving them to spend 392 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 1: that disproportionate amount of time on our property helps me 393 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 1: control things. But it sure isn't a high fence, all right. Um, 394 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 1: So how do you get dear to spend a disproportionate 395 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: amount of time on your property? You give them better food, 396 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: better water, better cover, better feeling of security, and better 397 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: comfort than they can get anywhere else in the area, 398 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 1: and they're going to spend more time there. That is 399 00:22:54,960 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: an extremely it sounds extremely difficult and streamly labor intensive, 400 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: and it candy to to a certain extent. But I'm 401 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: telling you right now, if you're not enjoying this stuff, 402 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: you might want to find a better, different hobby, because 403 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: the stuff is supposed to be fun. And don't look 404 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: at it, don't look at it as a race. Just 405 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: sit there and pick away at it, because you know what, 406 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: five years, especially these days, five years seems like forever away. 407 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: But and I'm not going to get a lick. I'm 408 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: not going to get a lick of production out of 409 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: those fruit trees. And then I planted some some mass tree, 410 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 1: some oak trees, and then I want to head it 411 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: through in a couple of dungst and chestnuts as well. 412 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: I'm not going to get a look of use out 413 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: of that for probably five years. But if I don't 414 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: do it today, where am I in five years? I'm 415 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: the neighbor that's sitting there complaining that the other neighbors 416 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: got all the deer. So, so, Steve, you've got all 417 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: these different things you just mentioned, right if we're trying 418 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: to if our goal is to have deer spend a 419 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: disproportion amount of the time on our property, and you know, 420 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 1: let's let's take my goals. For example, I'm hoping that 421 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: I can get but sure bucks to spend a disproportionate 422 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 1: amount of their time on my small properties. So in 423 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: that case, when I'm now looking at this scenario just painted, 424 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: which is okay? To do that? We need food, cover, security, um, 425 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: and then you can do you mind me hijacking list 426 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: for a second. Let's talk if you're comfortable with it, 427 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 1: Let's talk about your ground because by talking about your 428 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: ground now we can go ahead and apply this to 429 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 1: a bunch of other properties out there. So tell me 430 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: how big is your property? Okay, So so let's let's 431 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 1: talk about this property that I'm working on right now. 432 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 1: My family has a forty acre property in northwestern Michigan. Okay, okay, 433 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: what's the what's the hunting pressure like our own? So 434 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:05,439 Speaker 1: the hunting pressure around it too, to two sides of 435 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 1: it is moderate and towards the back of it is 436 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 1: is almost none because on the front side of the 437 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 1: property it butts up to some private land where there's 438 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,439 Speaker 1: a handful of hunters. On the back side of the 439 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 1: property butts up to a very very large piece of 440 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: public land that's far from a road, so hard to 441 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: get to. Its deep swamp, big cover, kind of big woods, 442 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: typed terrain, awesome, awesome, awesome, um. And the reason that 443 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: it's not funded very hard. It's just way too much 444 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: of a pain to get that fire back and through 445 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: all that junk exactly. And there's just low hunters up 446 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: in this part of the country relative to this part 447 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 1: of the state relative to other areas, because deer populations 448 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,199 Speaker 1: are relatively lower too, so people aren't heading up there 449 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: as much as they used to. Okay, um, And this 450 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,360 Speaker 1: is not I know, there's one area of Michigan that's 451 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 1: called Club Country because there's a great big chan This 452 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: is not that area, not that area. No, I think 453 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: that part is more in the up or in central 454 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 1: northern part of this is the northwestern part of the 455 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 1: Lower Peninsula. Okay, all right, Um, so you've got forty 456 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: acres the idea of being able to hold and I 457 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: know in many cases here I'm gonna be preaching the 458 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 1: choir mark. I'm just going into this level of detail 459 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: because everything's brain surgery until you hear a once. Yeah, 460 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: and there's certainly people who don't know this stuff, so 461 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: so yeah, let's cover it all. Um. So right off 462 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: the bat, now, a mature bucks home range is well, 463 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,679 Speaker 1: it is going to go ahead, and we're talking pure 464 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: averages here. Um, it's going. Home ranges is the area 465 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 1: that a mature buck lives in throughout his and from 466 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: the time he disperses, as my definition, from the time 467 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: he disperses as a year and a half old mom 468 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: kicks him out. So to keep the gene pool strong, 469 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 1: he averages, according to radio telemetry studies, relocating one to 470 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 1: tend my else away. Okay, Now, when he sets up 471 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,919 Speaker 1: shop at that after that yearling buck dispersal, his average 472 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: home range is about sixty It's going to increase and 473 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: decrease um inside based on frankly, what the habitat has 474 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: to offer to a very very large extent um. As 475 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: I said, every deer, every buck has one home range, 476 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: so that home range has to give them absolutely everything 477 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 1: they need. They're gonna die now because they don't know 478 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: what's outside of that home range. That said, they have 479 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: many core areas or potentially many core areas within that 480 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: home range. And core area is just the area that 481 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 1: at that at that given time they're spending the majority 482 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 1: of their time. Now, what I specifically zero in on 483 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: is when it comes to management is daylight core areas. 484 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: We can't hunt at night. So right off the bat, 485 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 1: I'm full becased on far more what are these bucks 486 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: through doing during daylight? Potentially you can get one to 487 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: two mature bucks to set up home range core areas 488 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: on your ground on the forties. Here's the catch, though, 489 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 1: you got to offer the best to everything both swamps. 490 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: I'm I'm betting you can't touch that for betting now 491 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: without as I said, take for year ground. Take all 492 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 1: this with a grain of salt, because I haven't looked 493 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: at odds are pretty darn good that you're not gonna 494 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: be able to You're not going to be able to 495 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: match or exceed the quality of betting that that swamp has. 496 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: And at the same time, at the same time, if 497 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: I'm you, I don't care. I'm looking at that. I'm happy, 498 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: no problem, great, because what I'm really gonna do is 499 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: I'm going to focus in your situation on creating a 500 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: buck trap. And that is they have all this ground 501 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: out here that they can live on, and it is swampy, 502 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: it is nasty ground that you know. What is is 503 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: any other hunters ever going to drag bucks out of there? Yeah, 504 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: you're gonna have some happen. But you know as well 505 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: as I do that hoptally what that's that's too much work. 506 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: I mean, we're we're a couple of the idiots that 507 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: actually do go back into situations like that, and it 508 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: has been great until you kill something and then all 509 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: of a sudden you really start questioning what you're doing. 510 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: Way the heck back here, you know, um and not 511 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: jobs like us. We do it again and again and again. 512 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: But a lot of people are not a lot of people. 513 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: That's not fun for them. For as I said, I 514 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: hope you don't mind me continuing. We calling you and 515 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: I not jobs for us, it is I'm right there 516 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: with you for most people. That not for most hunters 517 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: going ahead and dragging a pair of waiters with you 518 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: having to change and I'm actually thinking of public land 519 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: buck I killed doing just this, having to go ahead 520 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: and switch in and out of those waiters three times 521 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: to get to that spot an honest mile and a 522 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: half back in they are going to do that. So 523 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: you have outside of the exception of the nut jobs 524 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: like us, you don't have people in our back door, 525 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: and you in that situation take that use it. So 526 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: I wouldn't what I would be focusing. So this is 527 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: more of a more of a big woods swampy area, correct, Yeah, yeah, 528 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: So You've got to give you a little bit more detail. 529 00:30:55,320 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 1: So this is, yeah, where you have all that called for, 530 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: all that potential betting area, okay, um, in an area 531 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: where you don't have a ton of candy crops. I 532 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: can all but promise you your best road is to 533 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: focus on having some doze bet up around your food, 534 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: laying this food out so that when Mr Big comes 535 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: from that swamp to check your girls or get some food, 536 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: that odds are really high they're going through this one 537 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: or two or three pinch points on that forty and 538 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: on a forty In a situation like this where you 539 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: can go ahead and re remodel their world, you can 540 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: set it up so that pretty much every deer that comes, 541 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: every buck that cruises either for into your ground for 542 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: food or for girls, you can't go ahead and do 543 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: some pretty significant rearranging and make it so they are 544 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: going through here, here or here. Now, go ahead and 545 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: put to three stands sites for each of those look 546 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: casions for various wind directions. Lay them out so that 547 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: they said, I'm guessing you don't have that natural funnel. 548 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: No worries if you don't. The overwhelming majority of people 549 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: don't have funnels like that on their forties. But I'll what, 550 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 1: bulldozers are not very expensive to rent. They really aren't. 551 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: You can get I mean you can in one day 552 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: for a thousand bucks, you can get a ridiculous amount 553 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,719 Speaker 1: of stuff done on that forty acres that is going 554 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: to pay for itself over and over and over and over. 555 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: And I don't want to say this to try to now, 556 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: but I'm going to. You know what, people are out 557 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: there spending a thousand bucks a year on bows for 558 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: crying out woud there are guys out there, and God 559 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: love them guys and girls out there that are buying 560 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: a new bowl every stinking year. All a person has 561 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: to do is skip want us one year, and you 562 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: know what, they can get an awful lot of darn 563 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: stuff done in that on their ground for for a 564 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: thousand bucks. So so let me let me hit pause 565 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: real quick and and take us back, because I want 566 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: to understand your thought process here, um, and I think 567 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: I understand it, but just so everyone else does when 568 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: you when we talk, when I describe my property and 569 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: then you said, oh yeah, so then we want to 570 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: focus on food. So what I would would love for 571 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: you to expand on a little bit is how you 572 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: make that decision, Like how do you determine the order 573 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: of operations? If you if you think back to our 574 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: old math problems back in the day when we have 575 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: to do had to do kind of long form math 576 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: way this order of operations when you're figuring out algebra 577 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: and stuff, you determine, Okay, I have to do food first, 578 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: and then I can worry about access, and then I 579 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: can worry about water or whatever this order might be. 580 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: How do you prioritize the different pieces of the habitat puzzle. 581 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: You need to focus on um like you started to 582 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: do here on my property. Can you describe just how 583 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: other people can be thinking through that? It really start 584 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 1: for me at one starts with betting. If you if 585 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: you study dear long enough, especially if you study how 586 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: deer react on specific properties long enough, what you see 587 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: is it's a repeating cycle. Now, dear do not have 588 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: the power to analyze things like humans do. Deer have 589 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 1: deer very instinctual. They have great senses of they have 590 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: great senses, in many cases better than ours, But they 591 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,799 Speaker 1: don't have the power of analytical thought. They are they 592 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:38,359 Speaker 1: are a product of their environment, what Mom taught them, 593 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: and their instincts. Because of that, every dear is different, 594 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: but they all tend to share certain traits. And one 595 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 1: of the things you noticed, and I am n sure 596 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: we talked about this and one of the other ones podcasts, 597 00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: is that ms Mr Big, especially especially in heavily hunted areas, 598 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,240 Speaker 1: how does Mr Big get old? He gets old because 599 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,800 Speaker 1: he figured out how to survive. Okay, if he figured 600 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 1: out how to survive, that means that the next year 601 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 1: in line now is probably gonna probably gonna stick pretty 602 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: darn tight to those that survives is gonna stick pretty 603 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:29,320 Speaker 1: darn tight to what the previous year did or their dad. Um. 604 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: You you really see that play out in betting areas 605 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,439 Speaker 1: when you and I know I've said this, um, when 606 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: you find that buck bed, that that lone bed in 607 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: the middle of winter, when you're out there scouting in 608 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 1: the snow, you know, maybe it's got a peace spot 609 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,320 Speaker 1: in the middle of it. But I'm sorry. The idea 610 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,439 Speaker 1: that every time a buck stands, every time a buck 611 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,359 Speaker 1: is betting the year and eight, as soon as they 612 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: stand up, I don't buy that. Um. They may take 613 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 1: a step forward, they may take instead back. Who knows, 614 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: so that peacepot doesn't really I'm sorry even got into that, um. 615 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 1: But there's a big rub there. There's no other different 616 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,720 Speaker 1: sized beds around. You know what. Odds are fairly decent. 617 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:18,280 Speaker 1: That's a buck bed, not a guarantee, but pretty decent. 618 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 1: Now you go over to over the next ridge and 619 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 1: here's a whole bunch of different size beds in the snow. 620 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,479 Speaker 1: Odds are pretty darn good that those are. That's a 621 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 1: family group betting area. Those fons young bucks, Okay, squat 622 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,399 Speaker 1: down in each of them, look around, ask yourself, why, 623 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: out of every place is this animal betting here? Okay 624 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 1: for those for the family groups, good luck, Um, they 625 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,799 Speaker 1: aren't anywhere near at ticky. For the box. Should do 626 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,760 Speaker 1: that ten twelve times, and you start seeing patterns emerge. 627 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 1: And then you do it year after year after year, 628 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 1: and you find that the same buck or the most 629 00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 1: mature bucks are betting in the same general locations, the 630 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,719 Speaker 1: same grounds every year. It's because that betting area has 631 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 1: something that is superior. By doing the squats in these beds, 632 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 1: what you notice is either it's thick and nasty to 633 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: the point where absolutely nothing sneaking up on you. You 634 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 1: can use wind direction to cover one area, your ears 635 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 1: are covering the rest, and you can just heck two 636 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 1: jumps in any direction you're vanished. Okay, that's a common scenario. 637 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,879 Speaker 1: Another common scenario, and that's what no doubt you're dealing with. 638 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:35,399 Speaker 1: I need on with that swamp awesome, awesome protective cover 639 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 1: bedding where nothing sneak I mean, do you think you 640 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 1: can slash through that swamp without something hearing you come? 641 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: Probably not? Yeah. Um. The other really really common example 642 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 1: is based on topography, that will that knob at the 643 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,919 Speaker 1: end of the ridge. Hell, heck that bulge. You're going 644 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,879 Speaker 1: off the side. Now someplace where I can lay right 645 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: year and I can see everything down below me. I 646 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,719 Speaker 1: can have the wind. I'm not saying they always do this, 647 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 1: but I can't have the wind going over the ridge, 648 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: protecting my backside, my eyes going ahead and scanning for 649 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: the front. Good luck beating a spot like that. It's 650 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 1: it's really really tough. Okay um, to go ahead and 651 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: try to get those deer. Those bucks, specifically the doose 652 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 1: are easy. But get those bucks. They're betting in that 653 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:37,720 Speaker 1: swamp to bet on yourthority. That that's pushing, that's pushing 654 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:43,400 Speaker 1: the rock uphill, because that swamp most likely has the 655 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 1: advantages when it comes to betting. And at the same time, 656 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,799 Speaker 1: these deer are trained that this is where I want 657 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:55,880 Speaker 1: to be because they've seen they've seen there, the older 658 00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:00,120 Speaker 1: bucks do that. Now it gets to be it's it's 659 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,239 Speaker 1: hard to break training. And now I've been betting here 660 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 1: for a while. I feel safe. This works for me. 661 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,799 Speaker 1: I'm surviving. Does that kind of answer. That's why I 662 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 1: start with betting the very the very first well, the 663 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,879 Speaker 1: very first thing. I start with the goals. Okay um, 664 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,279 Speaker 1: figure out goals. And then the next question in my 665 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 1: mind is how if it is trying to get deer 666 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:26,840 Speaker 1: to spend as much time on your property as possible. Now, jeez, 667 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,439 Speaker 1: if I can't, then the next question is is will 668 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:35,319 Speaker 1: they bet there? Okay? If I believe that that's going 669 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: to be tough, then okay, Well, what's the next thing 670 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 1: we can do? Well? The next thing, jeez, especially in 671 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:45,839 Speaker 1: big woods foods, king baby, know you offer when look 672 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,280 Speaker 1: at look at what's in the least supply in the area. 673 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,760 Speaker 1: Based on what you described to me, we're talking about 674 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,919 Speaker 1: a heck of a lot of timber and swamp. Well, 675 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,880 Speaker 1: that means that there probably isn't a heck of a 676 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 1: lot of egg in that area. There might be some, 677 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 1: no doubt, but not a tremendous amount. There's a heck 678 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:07,359 Speaker 1: of a lot of cover mm hmm. That means that 679 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 1: I could focus on bedding and and hope then I 680 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 1: could draw some deer over here. But they've got to 681 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 1: stir plus a bedding everywhere. Or if they're short on food, 682 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 1: and I can offer them brassicas, and I can offer 683 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 1: them cereal rye, and I can offer them some fruit trees, 684 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,800 Speaker 1: and I can throw some clover out there all of 685 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,759 Speaker 1: a sudden. It's not gonna be real hard for me 686 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 1: to offer a whole bunch of food that they can't 687 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 1: get other places. And I offer a whole bunch of 688 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,759 Speaker 1: food they can't get other places. I can all but 689 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 1: promise you that at least at times during the season 690 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to have a ridiculous number of deer on 691 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 1: my ground for that area. Um, So it's really it's 692 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:59,319 Speaker 1: really start with goals and then figure out. Okay, as 693 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,359 Speaker 1: I said, are these realistic? Mark? I hate to tell 694 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,360 Speaker 1: you it's probably not realistic for you to get a 695 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: buck to spend a disproportionate amount of daylight time on 696 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 1: that forty He's going to be spending that disupport disproportionate 697 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 1: amount of daylight time back in that swamp. But that 698 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 1: doesn't mean you can't you can't give him a really 699 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,040 Speaker 1: good reason to make it the very first place he 700 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:28,040 Speaker 1: goes when he gets up, because you've got really good food. 701 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 1: And now we start getting into the rot and geez, 702 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,719 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be hanging around Mark's place an awful lot 703 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 1: because he's got food, water, and girls. What more do 704 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:44,359 Speaker 1: I want? So the trick for Mark is to set 705 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,400 Speaker 1: his ground up so he does have food, water, and girls, 706 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,920 Speaker 1: and take it a step further and set it up 707 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:54,520 Speaker 1: so that as Mr Big flows through that property to 708 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 1: check it for dose to go for food, that there's 709 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:02,320 Speaker 1: a really really good chances he's going to go through here. Yeah, 710 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,440 Speaker 1: So so tell me this, Steve. And I think I 711 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,719 Speaker 1: either read about this in your book or saw you 712 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,399 Speaker 1: talk about this in the videos somewhere, but you had 713 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,200 Speaker 1: mentioned that before planning food. So if we're if we're 714 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,719 Speaker 1: focusing now, okay, yes, on my property, food is going 715 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,359 Speaker 1: to be that that lever I can pull and get 716 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,200 Speaker 1: an extra big boost of impact if food is what 717 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,279 Speaker 1: I want to do. Now, I read somewhere that you 718 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,799 Speaker 1: said before planting any food, at least if you plan 719 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,480 Speaker 1: on using this to hunt in anyway, you should first 720 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,319 Speaker 1: think about tree stand locations or things like access or 721 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,840 Speaker 1: different things there. Can you can you tell me a 722 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,720 Speaker 1: is that? Is that right? Do you think about access 723 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,000 Speaker 1: in the locations before you actually think about where to 724 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,520 Speaker 1: put a food plot or how to plant food plot? 725 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,839 Speaker 1: And then if so, can you tell me why tell 726 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,600 Speaker 1: me how that helps? Yes? With one can yet, and 727 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 1: that is there's certain places that I peck, I'm gonna 728 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,840 Speaker 1: be leaving for their pretty much as soon as I 729 00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:00,319 Speaker 1: hang up. There's one property that I'm doing management right 730 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:05,320 Speaker 1: now that has has a big bottom, plants and food 731 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,799 Speaker 1: that has nothing to do with hunting. That has to 732 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,880 Speaker 1: do one. I mean, you can't get to the bottom. 733 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:15,360 Speaker 1: You're gonna have swirling winds. It's one surrounded by deer 734 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:20,000 Speaker 1: cover pack deer bedding three hundred and sixty degrees around there. 735 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,720 Speaker 1: Could I go ahead and make it so they didn't 736 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 1: bed there? I could, but I pretty much take clear cutting. 737 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,680 Speaker 1: There was no. Um, you're not going to be able 738 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,239 Speaker 1: to get into that bottom to hunt. But they have 739 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,200 Speaker 1: this person here controls about a hundred and twenty acres 740 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,879 Speaker 1: and they're surrounded by meat hunters, and God love those 741 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,719 Speaker 1: meat hunters. And I'm being could not be being more 742 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,440 Speaker 1: sincere when I say that, Um, the day act to 743 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,479 Speaker 1: get off on a very brief tangent. But you know what, 744 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,439 Speaker 1: when we sit there and we are complaining about each other, 745 00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:03,759 Speaker 1: and we are slamming each other for their choice of 746 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,600 Speaker 1: weapon for all this stuff, all we're doing is the 747 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 1: anti's job form. Whether we want to or not. You know, 748 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:15,080 Speaker 1: our hunting numbers are dwindling, they're not increasing. Every single 749 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,839 Speaker 1: person we drive from this sport is we're cutting off 750 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:23,000 Speaker 1: our own nose to spire or face. But God loved 751 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,480 Speaker 1: the meat hunters around him, and they have every right 752 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,000 Speaker 1: in the world to do what they want on legally 753 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,360 Speaker 1: on their side of the fence, just like I have 754 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,239 Speaker 1: every right to legally do what I want on my 755 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,320 Speaker 1: side of the fence. So that that bottom is planted 756 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:44,080 Speaker 1: in food merely merely the suck dear to the center 757 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:48,000 Speaker 1: of that property. So in that case, if there are 758 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,719 Speaker 1: there are situations where what I'm about to describe does 759 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:56,000 Speaker 1: not apply when you're using food strictly for holding purposes 760 00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,880 Speaker 1: to get them to waste more time on your ground. Otherwise, 761 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:05,840 Speaker 1: I've learned the hard way. Before you ever start breaking dirt, 762 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,680 Speaker 1: before you ever bring in a bulldozer to clear out 763 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:14,000 Speaker 1: in woods plots, and I'm telling you, look into those dozers. 764 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,000 Speaker 1: They are so much cheaper than people realize and so 765 00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,520 Speaker 1: much more effective. But before you go ahead and have 766 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:25,279 Speaker 1: somebody come out, you find the stand, the tree you're 767 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,000 Speaker 1: gonna put that stand up in. You figure out, as 768 00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,360 Speaker 1: I said when we first started talking, Now one of 769 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,759 Speaker 1: The first things you do on your ground is you 770 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,160 Speaker 1: figure out what areas you can get to, what areas 771 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:41,359 Speaker 1: you can hunt and get the heck out of without educating. Dear, 772 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,120 Speaker 1: one of the biggest things we do is hunters. One 773 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,880 Speaker 1: of the biggest, in my opinion, mistakes we make is 774 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,480 Speaker 1: we when we're trying to manage property as we hunt 775 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:55,719 Speaker 1: way too darn much of it. Look at that, Look 776 00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,160 Speaker 1: at that area, a public ground that butts up against you. 777 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,359 Speaker 1: Once deer season starts, where most of the deer I'm 778 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:09,080 Speaker 1: without ever having step foot out there, I'm guessing they ain't. 779 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:14,560 Speaker 1: They're not right around those parking areas, because those those 780 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,120 Speaker 1: parking areas right around there, they get hunted. So what 781 00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,160 Speaker 1: do the deer do. They shift two areas of their 782 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:25,640 Speaker 1: home range where they feel safe. Once they start feeling pressure, 783 00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,560 Speaker 1: they don't leave that home range. But as I said, 784 00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,600 Speaker 1: it's sixty acres and it's not laid out in a square. 785 00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,839 Speaker 1: It's more like a python that's that's swallowed a medicine ball, 786 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,640 Speaker 1: a couple of volleyballs and softball, and another medicine ball 787 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:43,200 Speaker 1: twisted all sorts of But add that whole entire python 788 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,560 Speaker 1: up and it equals about six hundred and forty acres, 789 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,040 Speaker 1: but it twists and turns off all over bulge here, 790 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:57,120 Speaker 1: narrow there to achieve their needs. Okay, Um, and somehow 791 00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,200 Speaker 1: I lost where the heck I was even going with 792 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,000 Speaker 1: all that? Well, can you can you give us a 793 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:07,360 Speaker 1: little more? Yeah? Yeah, So so back to when we 794 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:11,280 Speaker 1: have those these perspective food plot plans and we're thinking 795 00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:15,840 Speaker 1: through okay, picking those stand locations first, picking the access points, 796 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,800 Speaker 1: and you were describing a lot of that, and I 797 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,760 Speaker 1: kind of encourage you to go off on another tangent 798 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:24,000 Speaker 1: when it comes to access because, like you mentioned, so 799 00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,720 Speaker 1: important and I've i've I've seen where you've talked about 800 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,640 Speaker 1: thinking about edge access versus central access, and that you prefer, 801 00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,880 Speaker 1: you know, planning your access routes from the outside end 802 00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,439 Speaker 1: versus the opposite way. Can you can you talk about 803 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,080 Speaker 1: that a little bit and then how that might fit 804 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:42,480 Speaker 1: into what I'm talking about here in that forty piece too? Yeah? Um. 805 00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,160 Speaker 1: And I actually was able to connect a few of 806 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,440 Speaker 1: the dots and then left out there for myself. Um. 807 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:53,200 Speaker 1: But what I was getting at is you have six Okay, 808 00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,279 Speaker 1: that's six. They know that six forty, Like the back 809 00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,239 Speaker 1: of their hand because that's where they live. Three under 810 00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:06,000 Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty four days a year. They're they're 811 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,759 Speaker 1: living there, I think, actually, jeezus, can't you remember how 812 00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,640 Speaker 1: many days are in the year right now? But they're 813 00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,800 Speaker 1: living there, they know that, so they know those areas 814 00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:21,200 Speaker 1: that don't have pressure. You want that area to be 815 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:27,200 Speaker 1: your ground, and you do that by hunting less of it. Then, 816 00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,759 Speaker 1: rather than hunting more, the more your property hunt, the 817 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:35,520 Speaker 1: less you're leaving for deer to feel safe. Okay, um, 818 00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,600 Speaker 1: And now set me back on course, and I'm sorry, Okay, 819 00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,640 Speaker 1: So that all makes sense about that dear home range 820 00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,160 Speaker 1: and hoping that now that you know part of my 821 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,520 Speaker 1: forty might intersect with his home range of sixty acres 822 00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:51,040 Speaker 1: or so. Um, Now, how can access, good access fit 823 00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,439 Speaker 1: into that to make it feel like your property isn't 824 00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,759 Speaker 1: being overhunted, to make those deer feel safe on it? 825 00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,560 Speaker 1: And you know, how does access filter your factor into 826 00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,200 Speaker 1: the equation and when you're thinking about where to put 827 00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:05,279 Speaker 1: food as well? And this it all goes back to 828 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:10,279 Speaker 1: trying to keep give dear the illusion of safety on 829 00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:15,520 Speaker 1: your property so that those those as I've tried, and 830 00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,920 Speaker 1: I hope that this is coming through sincere, because it 831 00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,240 Speaker 1: couldn't be more sinceres. I've tried to hammer that neighbor 832 00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,400 Speaker 1: has every right in the world to shoot whatever legal 833 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,600 Speaker 1: dear he wants or she wants. And you know what, 834 00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:32,280 Speaker 1: we really should be nothing but happy for them. That said, now, 835 00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,200 Speaker 1: as they're pummeling their ground, as they're going out there 836 00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:40,439 Speaker 1: the day before season opens and going to scout their 837 00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,600 Speaker 1: eighty acres and they're whipping around out there, you know what, 838 00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,759 Speaker 1: I want them pushing dear to my ground. And how 839 00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,080 Speaker 1: do you accomplish that? You accomplish that by making them 840 00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:54,399 Speaker 1: feel safe on that ground by hunting from those low 841 00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,640 Speaker 1: impacted locations. If that gear does not see smell here, 842 00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:03,640 Speaker 1: you you're not there as far as they're concerned. Um So, 843 00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:08,279 Speaker 1: what works so very nicely for trying to accomplish that 844 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:15,000 Speaker 1: is take your ground your forty MM. I've got two choices. 845 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,279 Speaker 1: I can go ahead on your specific forty work. This 846 00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,760 Speaker 1: is hypothetical. Obviously, I can go right through the center 847 00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:26,600 Speaker 1: of this ground to access my stands, or I can 848 00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,480 Speaker 1: go along the edge of my ground to access my stands. 849 00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:34,120 Speaker 1: If I go through the center, what what wind direction 850 00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:38,839 Speaker 1: isn't blowing into a huge part of my property. There 851 00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:43,120 Speaker 1: is none if I go But if I so, what 852 00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:48,120 Speaker 1: ends up happening so often for hunters is they go ahead, 853 00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,120 Speaker 1: they show up their hunting ground. They hunted the first day, 854 00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,399 Speaker 1: Oh man, this is great. They hunted the second day, 855 00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,920 Speaker 1: this is pretty good. Hunted the third day, well this 856 00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,680 Speaker 1: ain't bad. Hunted the four where all the deer? Now 857 00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,640 Speaker 1: it does and take that many times to explode a 858 00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,680 Speaker 1: forty eight or chunk of dirt to turn it pretty 859 00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,279 Speaker 1: much worthless for for deer activity right then too well, 860 00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,600 Speaker 1: now to put a serious ding to the amount of 861 00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:18,160 Speaker 1: deer hunt deer activity that occurs in that ground. Now 862 00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,880 Speaker 1: compare that too, you know, taking that forty and having 863 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,879 Speaker 1: edge access as a matter of fact, when you're going 864 00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,839 Speaker 1: down the west side of that property. Now, well here, 865 00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:33,359 Speaker 1: let's make it even simpler on forties like years, if 866 00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,880 Speaker 1: I can design it exactly the way I want the 867 00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,080 Speaker 1: wind directions. TELLEL is answering what part of the property 868 00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,600 Speaker 1: I'm hunting that given day, Because if I have edge 869 00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,200 Speaker 1: access on a forty, I'm going to make it so 870 00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,959 Speaker 1: that whenever I'm accessing that property, that wind is either 871 00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,279 Speaker 1: blowing down the property line or it's blowing into the 872 00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:56,520 Speaker 1: neighbors because I want the deer to believe that this 873 00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:01,160 Speaker 1: ground that I control is safe. And by blowing that 874 00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,520 Speaker 1: scent down the line or into the neighbor's ground, it's 875 00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,680 Speaker 1: not blown into mine. And then you can go ahead 876 00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,440 Speaker 1: and even take it a step further and do what 877 00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:14,000 Speaker 1: I call edge feathering. And as you hinge cut, a 878 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,160 Speaker 1: hinge cut a band of trees. Hinge cutting is And 879 00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,480 Speaker 1: please anybody listening to this, don't go out and do 880 00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:27,160 Speaker 1: this if you're not exceptionally comfortable with chainsaws. Frankly, you 881 00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,520 Speaker 1: can do it all with a hand saw. Follow all 882 00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,680 Speaker 1: chain saw safety rules, all that good stuff. We're just 883 00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,239 Speaker 1: talking deer hunting. It's not worth going home without a 884 00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:41,680 Speaker 1: leg or an arm, or worse yet, making your kids orphans. Now, 885 00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,439 Speaker 1: remember there's a lot of this stuff is dangerous. Don't 886 00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,120 Speaker 1: push it, um, but you can't. Hinge cutting is cutting. 887 00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,600 Speaker 1: What I do is cut about half to six the 888 00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,319 Speaker 1: way through a tree. Bend the darn thing over. Now 889 00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:01,320 Speaker 1: it retains that the top retains that connection the root system, 890 00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:05,400 Speaker 1: So so percent of those trees are going to continue 891 00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,879 Speaker 1: to grow. Only now all that canopies down there at 892 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,600 Speaker 1: down there right on the ground level for deer, both 893 00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,440 Speaker 1: for cover and for food. Go ahead and stick to 894 00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:18,799 Speaker 1: trees no bigger than your bicep. And if you don't 895 00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:23,120 Speaker 1: get much to worry about if the if the timber works, 896 00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,200 Speaker 1: for what you can do is you can go ahead 897 00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,720 Speaker 1: and edge feather hinge cut about a five yard wide 898 00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:35,719 Speaker 1: band on your property side of that access trail. Now, 899 00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,600 Speaker 1: so what ends up happening is, I've got this access 900 00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,879 Speaker 1: trail going down my property line. The wind is either 901 00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,719 Speaker 1: blowing down my property line or into the neighbors at 902 00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:50,600 Speaker 1: the same time, on my property line, on my property 903 00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:54,240 Speaker 1: side of this trail, I've got a five yard wide 904 00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:58,640 Speaker 1: band a hinge cut. Ok that's creating a screen. So 905 00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:02,000 Speaker 1: the deer within my burt can't see me as I'm 906 00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:06,160 Speaker 1: going down that line. At the same time, neighbors are 907 00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,920 Speaker 1: setting up on the fence line can't see it anywhere 908 00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,799 Speaker 1: near as good, which they have every right to set 909 00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,000 Speaker 1: up on the fence line. They don't have a right 910 00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:19,280 Speaker 1: to shoot into my ground. Ok Um. But now, simply 911 00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,759 Speaker 1: by using the wind, I can make it so that 912 00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:26,040 Speaker 1: the wind is, except for swirls, never bump blowing into 913 00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:30,359 Speaker 1: my ground. And at the same time those neighbors over there, 914 00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,200 Speaker 1: they're running around their property and man, they're ruining the 915 00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,080 Speaker 1: hunting for this area. No, they aren't not a not 916 00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:40,800 Speaker 1: a the dear think my forty safe. They're not ruining 917 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,120 Speaker 1: my ground at all. Instead, I've just took those people 918 00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,240 Speaker 1: that have been working against my goals. Now they're working 919 00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,640 Speaker 1: towards my goals by kicking up deer. Because every time 920 00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,120 Speaker 1: they kick up deer on their ground, they're training them that, hey, 921 00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,319 Speaker 1: you're not safe over here. But every time they're coming 922 00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,920 Speaker 1: on my ground, they're not smelling me, they're not seeing me, 923 00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,279 Speaker 1: they're not hearing me. I'm not there, You're safe here. 924 00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:08,319 Speaker 1: And that it access has a huge, huge impact when 925 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,719 Speaker 1: it comes to that, because if you're going down the 926 00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,640 Speaker 1: center of your property and you're hunting it on every 927 00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:17,919 Speaker 1: single wind direction, you know what, it's only a matter 928 00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,360 Speaker 1: of time before every single year in that ground knows that, 929 00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,439 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not safe over here either. Maybe 930 00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,560 Speaker 1: I should go over to Gertrude's place because she doesn't 931 00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:31,799 Speaker 1: let anybody hunt on that ground at all. That kind 932 00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,799 Speaker 1: of connected that somewhere in there for you. Yeah, yeah, 933 00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,440 Speaker 1: it does. So let's let's let's continue down with this 934 00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,960 Speaker 1: line of thought. Now, so we've we figured out, okay, 935 00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,640 Speaker 1: this this property, this area has got tons of bedding cover, 936 00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:44,440 Speaker 1: so food is going to be where I can have 937 00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,680 Speaker 1: that impact. We've talked about making sure that we have 938 00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,200 Speaker 1: smart access into the spots we might want to hunt. 939 00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,960 Speaker 1: So now we've decided we want to plant some food. 940 00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,600 Speaker 1: We're on a planet in a place it's easy to access. 941 00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,680 Speaker 1: What else should we be thinking about when choosing what 942 00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,920 Speaker 1: to plant or you know the shape of that plot, 943 00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,560 Speaker 1: anything when it comes to what we need to thinking 944 00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:09,160 Speaker 1: about just before actually digging in and putting something in there. Now, 945 00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,279 Speaker 1: so we know this is we know we can get 946 00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,920 Speaker 1: to this area, we know we can get out of it, 947 00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,920 Speaker 1: We know that we have a potential safe wind direction. 948 00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,520 Speaker 1: Now it's blowing over into this wetting the area of 949 00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,920 Speaker 1: the swamp that has standing water. Where they can go 950 00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,920 Speaker 1: ahead and walk this peninsula over just a couple of 951 00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,359 Speaker 1: hundred yards to the other side. Now, keep with your 952 00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:35,680 Speaker 1: feet whatever some type of what I call dead zone. 953 00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:39,680 Speaker 1: What you can do and actually I do more than 954 00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:44,720 Speaker 1: I care to, uh is actually manufactures safe zones as well. 955 00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,200 Speaker 1: Be creative when it comes to this type of stuff. 956 00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,800 Speaker 1: You can go in there and you can knock down 957 00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:54,400 Speaker 1: a bunch of trees, which is waste if they're if 958 00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,799 Speaker 1: they have any timber valley to them. But you can 959 00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:58,880 Speaker 1: make a mess to the point where deer don't want 960 00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,200 Speaker 1: to go through here. You call us a tornado zone, 961 00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:06,520 Speaker 1: right yep, exactly. Uh. But one way, shape or form. 962 00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:08,600 Speaker 1: You have to be able to get to this location 963 00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,320 Speaker 1: without getting busted. You have to be able to hunt 964 00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,440 Speaker 1: this location. Meaning I need a safe one direction from hunting, 965 00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,560 Speaker 1: and I need to be able to get out of here. 966 00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:22,120 Speaker 1: That doesn't happen easy. So that's why you start with 967 00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:26,560 Speaker 1: what areas can I access? All right now? This area here, Oh, 968 00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:28,920 Speaker 1: and I go ahead and remove a few trees here. 969 00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,040 Speaker 1: I can put a food plot in over here? All right, 970 00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,280 Speaker 1: where would my stand be? I can go ahead and 971 00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:37,560 Speaker 1: put a stand up in this tree right here, have 972 00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,880 Speaker 1: a blow into that that wet area with it with 973 00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:45,440 Speaker 1: any type of southeast or south wind this area over here. 974 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,479 Speaker 1: Oh geez, I could use this too, because this goes 975 00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:53,320 Speaker 1: up against this goes up against a nasty creek, you know, 976 00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:57,480 Speaker 1: real high creek crossing the creek bank. You know something 977 00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,840 Speaker 1: some type of a barrier, or I'm going to create 978 00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,800 Speaker 1: a tornado zone. So now I've got a got a 979 00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,320 Speaker 1: place store I can hunt with another wind direction that 980 00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:10,600 Speaker 1: works with my edge access as well. All Right, so 981 00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:14,000 Speaker 1: I go ahead and I select those specifically select the 982 00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:17,040 Speaker 1: trees first. Now, how can I lay this plot out 983 00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:23,160 Speaker 1: to make it safe or you know, um, for example, 984 00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,440 Speaker 1: where I have the stand, I might want that to 985 00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:30,440 Speaker 1: be a bend a bend in the food plot because 986 00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:35,200 Speaker 1: that may potentially increase the amount of the safe wind 987 00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,320 Speaker 1: cone I can hunt the stand with. It might be 988 00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,800 Speaker 1: able to stretch that cone out a little bit more. 989 00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:46,720 Speaker 1: The there. It's a really tough thing to answer with 990 00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:52,560 Speaker 1: specifics because there so much of this habitat stuff is 991 00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:57,880 Speaker 1: one part art, one part science. There is not that 992 00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,560 Speaker 1: this is the size and shape that this food plot 993 00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:04,280 Speaker 1: should be. No, the food plot should be sized and 994 00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:08,960 Speaker 1: shaped to try to achieve my goals. This is just 995 00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,280 Speaker 1: for example. You know what you're doing this fifty yards 996 00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:15,680 Speaker 1: in from a big egg field. You're what you're trying 997 00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:17,760 Speaker 1: to do is you're going to bring a dozer in here. 998 00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:21,960 Speaker 1: You're gonna open up a quarter acre spot plant some food. 999 00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:28,040 Speaker 1: You're not counting on that food being the primary food source. Actually, really, 1000 00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,240 Speaker 1: what you're doing is you're gonna go ahead and slap 1001 00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:34,520 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of licking branches out in that. Make 1002 00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:36,880 Speaker 1: sure that there's a whole bunch of licking branches around 1003 00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,320 Speaker 1: that food plot. Heck, am I even cutting plants a 1004 00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,240 Speaker 1: scrape tree in the middle of it. You're trying to 1005 00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:47,480 Speaker 1: create this into a staging cub, a social hub of sorts. Okay, 1006 00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:53,600 Speaker 1: so they're that situation. Excuse me. In that situation, the 1007 00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,479 Speaker 1: food plot size and the amount of food that's being 1008 00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:01,000 Speaker 1: produced as long as it's green and that can withstand 1009 01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:03,640 Speaker 1: browsing and the deer like, and I'm cool. You know, 1010 01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:08,200 Speaker 1: I'm probably either going with cereal rye or um Antler 1011 01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:12,440 Speaker 1: King's trophy clover in there or whatever. Clover um. That's 1012 01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,600 Speaker 1: just what I'm using. So ah, but I wasn't trying 1013 01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:20,760 Speaker 1: to do a sales pitch there. Actually, Uh, now take 1014 01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:24,080 Speaker 1: that in a different way to put that near situation. 1015 01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:28,160 Speaker 1: Your situation, you don't have a big you don't have 1016 01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,960 Speaker 1: the neighbor's great big egg fuel to take advantage of 1017 01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:36,040 Speaker 1: for a destination food source. So that means if you 1018 01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,520 Speaker 1: want dear to be coming into your ground for food. 1019 01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:45,280 Speaker 1: You need production, you need acreage. So therefore I'm gonna 1020 01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:48,800 Speaker 1: if i'm if I'm setting up your ground, I'm gonna 1021 01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:53,960 Speaker 1: focus a lot more on Okay, I mean, jeez, there's 1022 01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,640 Speaker 1: probably I'm gonna guess here, there's probably fifteen deer per 1023 01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,200 Speaker 1: square mile up in this area. I'm suck and a 1024 01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:03,200 Speaker 1: whole bunch of them in you know what I have, 1025 01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:07,760 Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna be feeding. I'm probably gonna be feeding 1026 01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:11,120 Speaker 1: on low side twenty deer here. I mean, I need 1027 01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,720 Speaker 1: some acres to put into food. If I wanted to 1028 01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:19,880 Speaker 1: pull this off overseason. Um, so that situation is going 1029 01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,640 Speaker 1: to be very different than the one I just described there. 1030 01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:28,240 Speaker 1: There isn't that remain originally flexible. It's really what it 1031 01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,360 Speaker 1: comes down to on so much of this one of 1032 01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:35,720 Speaker 1: the one of the biggest challenges for trying here. I'll 1033 01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,520 Speaker 1: share a little bit of personal stuff with you right now. 1034 01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:42,000 Speaker 1: In my career. The reason that I am focusing more 1035 01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,920 Speaker 1: on this, more on this type of stuff than I 1036 01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:48,120 Speaker 1: ever did in my work before, it's because it is 1037 01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:53,440 Speaker 1: so incredibly diverse and challenging. You know, the cookie cutter 1038 01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:57,200 Speaker 1: approach just does not work. It just doesn't work when 1039 01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,680 Speaker 1: it comes to this type of stuff, because every single 1040 01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:07,320 Speaker 1: person's ground is different. So ultimately, ultimately, everybody who's doing this, 1041 01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:12,480 Speaker 1: excuse me one second, Ultimately everyone who's doing this is 1042 01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:17,600 Speaker 1: actually playing mad scientists on their ground. The catches. There 1043 01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:21,920 Speaker 1: isn't one formula to do it what And that's why 1044 01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:24,600 Speaker 1: the book you read that, that's why I tried to 1045 01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:27,080 Speaker 1: lay it out in the way I did. Is that 1046 01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:31,000 Speaker 1: here a whole bunch of tools you guys can use, 1047 01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:35,720 Speaker 1: because ultimately, and here are some here are some general 1048 01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:39,840 Speaker 1: philosophies on well, here are some very specific philosophies on 1049 01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,320 Speaker 1: exactly how I set up this property of this property. 1050 01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:43,720 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I got a dozen of 1051 01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,960 Speaker 1: them in there. But there's a reason that there's a 1052 01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,959 Speaker 1: dozen different properties are more in that book, and that's 1053 01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:53,280 Speaker 1: because there just isn't one way to skin this cat. 1054 01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:58,640 Speaker 1: You can have two people with identical goals, now, each 1055 01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:01,600 Speaker 1: of them with authorities set created by nothing more than 1056 01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:05,840 Speaker 1: a fence line, and odds are that the best route 1057 01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:09,000 Speaker 1: for both of them isn't the exact same thing, because 1058 01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:15,240 Speaker 1: both of their habitats different, their access is different. Little 1059 01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:17,720 Speaker 1: things like that make it so that you just you 1060 01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:21,000 Speaker 1: just can't lay out a cookie cutter approach. And that 1061 01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:26,640 Speaker 1: is why spending that time up front and really studying 1062 01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:31,480 Speaker 1: your ground, really honestly answering what is it that I 1063 01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:36,360 Speaker 1: want to accomplish here? Now before you go it, then 1064 01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,479 Speaker 1: educate yourself on the tools that are available, because there's 1065 01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:43,720 Speaker 1: all sorts of tools, and quite frankly now in on 1066 01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:47,760 Speaker 1: shows and in magazines and even in most books now 1067 01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:51,400 Speaker 1: a lot of them aren't even covered because well, frankly, 1068 01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:53,280 Speaker 1: a lot of people write the bout this stuff. Don't 1069 01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:56,960 Speaker 1: do it um. And you know, again going back to 1070 01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:01,200 Speaker 1: the money in the industry, now you don't. You don't 1071 01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:06,760 Speaker 1: make money for writers, TV shows or outlets by talking 1072 01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:11,720 Speaker 1: about chainsaws. You make money by talking about food pots. 1073 01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:18,600 Speaker 1: No um. But go ahead to educate yourself on what's 1074 01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:22,480 Speaker 1: available out there and then play man scientists for yourself. 1075 01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:26,120 Speaker 1: But really lay this stuff out and think to yourself, 1076 01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:29,760 Speaker 1: I need to create I want to create a deer 1077 01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:36,080 Speaker 1: flow that works towards my goals and minimizes my weaknesses 1078 01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:39,880 Speaker 1: in your situation. You know the weaknesses. You don't want 1079 01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:44,560 Speaker 1: the deer jumping the fence to the neighbors. You said, 1080 01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,040 Speaker 1: if I recall correctly you said there were a couple 1081 01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:51,080 Speaker 1: of neighbors that that do hunt pretty aggressively up in 1082 01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:56,040 Speaker 1: there on one side of property. So I'm guessing you 1083 01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,240 Speaker 1: don't want them jump in that side of the fence. 1084 01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:00,760 Speaker 1: So you know what, You're really don't want to put 1085 01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:02,760 Speaker 1: bedding right up against the fence over there, do you. 1086 01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:06,680 Speaker 1: It was the first thing that happens when they wake up, 1087 01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,280 Speaker 1: They've got to choose which way to go. And yeah, 1088 01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:13,240 Speaker 1: nine times out of ten they're choosing to go into 1089 01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:17,280 Speaker 1: your property to get that food. But that tenth time 1090 01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:21,200 Speaker 1: when they jumped the fence on November three, and Ted 1091 01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:25,040 Speaker 1: happens to be sitting stopping that tree over there, he's 1092 01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:26,960 Speaker 1: going to shoot that buck when he walks by. More 1093 01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:33,840 Speaker 1: power to him, buddy. So you really get I think 1094 01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,960 Speaker 1: you're starting to understand why I talked more hunting the 1095 01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:41,640 Speaker 1: first two times, because it all fits it all together. Yeah, 1096 01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:48,120 Speaker 1: and and because frankly for a while, more straightforward. So 1097 01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:50,680 Speaker 1: so so this I think I think you can give 1098 01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:55,120 Speaker 1: me a straightforward answer on this question, which is back 1099 01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:57,960 Speaker 1: to the food piece. As we talked, can you you're 1100 01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:00,800 Speaker 1: you're talking about how we can think about how diverse 1101 01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:04,440 Speaker 1: of options there are when it comes to developing the 1102 01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,200 Speaker 1: shape your plot and the location of your plot based 1103 01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:08,920 Speaker 1: on all the different things that are very specific to 1104 01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:11,280 Speaker 1: different situations. But something here that I've heard you talk 1105 01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:14,000 Speaker 1: a lot about is once you do decide on the 1106 01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:16,600 Speaker 1: right shape and the right location, now you're actually planting 1107 01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:19,880 Speaker 1: food of some kind. And when you're choosing what to plant. 1108 01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:21,920 Speaker 1: I've seen lots of times you recommend that what you 1109 01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,840 Speaker 1: call it a smartest board type of effect where you 1110 01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:28,840 Speaker 1: have a lot of diversity. Yeah, so so can you 1111 01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:31,440 Speaker 1: can you tell us why that's important and what you 1112 01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:34,320 Speaker 1: mean by that, because now we're actually planting something. This 1113 01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:36,800 Speaker 1: is something that people always have questions. Almost the most 1114 01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:38,959 Speaker 1: common food plot questions what should I plant? What should 1115 01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:41,120 Speaker 1: I plant? And of course there's a lot more to 1116 01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:43,760 Speaker 1: it than just buying a piece or a bag of 1117 01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:45,960 Speaker 1: sea that's got a big buck on it. Um, can 1118 01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:47,920 Speaker 1: you just walk us through your your thought process there 1119 01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:51,280 Speaker 1: and then this whole smortgage board deal, it all comes 1120 01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:55,720 Speaker 1: back to the whole Okay, food sources are changing dynamically 1121 01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:59,640 Speaker 1: over the course of seas. You got those those late 1122 01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:03,000 Speaker 1: plant to the soybeans. Man, there's those ones that that 1123 01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:06,240 Speaker 1: first week of season, they're still perfectly green. Oh geez, 1124 01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:09,480 Speaker 1: go han them because at that point those those deer 1125 01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:11,680 Speaker 1: are going to be all over those green soybeans. But 1126 01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:15,560 Speaker 1: now they start to yellow. Oh geez, this isn't so good. Oh, 1127 01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:18,760 Speaker 1: and geez, the acorns are dropping now too. Hey, I'm 1128 01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,760 Speaker 1: gonna go shift into the woods to feed on some acorns. 1129 01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:25,000 Speaker 1: Um well, and oh, there's happens to be an alfalfa 1130 01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:27,400 Speaker 1: field over here, so I'm gonna eat some else alfie too. 1131 01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:30,280 Speaker 1: Oh geez. Now we've got a couple of frosts. Now 1132 01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:32,919 Speaker 1: that alfelf isn't quite as good. In the acorns, most 1133 01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:34,600 Speaker 1: of the good ones are cleaned up, and now we 1134 01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:37,480 Speaker 1: just have the wormy ones. But oh that corn, that 1135 01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:40,960 Speaker 1: corn is getting nice and dry, now high in carbs. 1136 01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:45,480 Speaker 1: And you know, geez, either the ruts going or it's 1137 01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:48,720 Speaker 1: about to come, or it's done. And I need fat 1138 01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:52,600 Speaker 1: because I just lost percent body weight during the rout. 1139 01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:58,040 Speaker 1: Now you have different biological needs and the changing ecosystem 1140 01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:00,360 Speaker 1: all occurring at the same time, making it so there 1141 01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:03,400 Speaker 1: is not that one thing that you can plant that 1142 01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:06,720 Speaker 1: I'm aware of, and boom, this is what they're gonna 1143 01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:10,160 Speaker 1: want every day. All the way through season. So how 1144 01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:13,080 Speaker 1: do you counteract that you offer from a bunch of stuff. 1145 01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:16,960 Speaker 1: So go back to we were talking edge feathering along 1146 01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:23,480 Speaker 1: that along that access trail to serve as a screen. Okay, 1147 01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:25,599 Speaker 1: well you know what else it does. It produces an 1148 01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:28,600 Speaker 1: awful lot of food. So now that we've got this 1149 01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:31,400 Speaker 1: food plot in, let's go ahead and edge feather a 1150 01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:35,120 Speaker 1: five yard band around that food plot of those safe 1151 01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:37,280 Speaker 1: trees that we can go ahead and drop down to 1152 01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:40,000 Speaker 1: ground level or creek. We're doing a couple who were 1153 01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:42,360 Speaker 1: killing a couple of birds with that stone right there. 1154 01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:45,920 Speaker 1: We're making it so that Mr Big when he walks 1155 01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:49,400 Speaker 1: by fifty yards in the woods and he looks out 1156 01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:51,519 Speaker 1: in that food plot. Oh wait, he can't look out 1157 01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:53,360 Speaker 1: in that food plot. He actually has to stick his 1158 01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:57,599 Speaker 1: head into check. Since we're hunting that food plot. We 1159 01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:02,200 Speaker 1: really want him to do that. Um. Besides, even if 1160 01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,800 Speaker 1: we're not hunting it, it's wasting as time having to 1161 01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:07,200 Speaker 1: go in and check that food plat light. As long 1162 01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:08,880 Speaker 1: as I'm there, I might as well work a scrape 1163 01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:12,680 Speaker 1: or two, um, you know, as well as I do that. 1164 01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:17,120 Speaker 1: Hunting oftentimes comes down to that thirty minutes the first 1165 01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:19,519 Speaker 1: and last outside of the rut, the first and last 1166 01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:23,160 Speaker 1: thirty minutes of the day of legal shooting light. If 1167 01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:25,719 Speaker 1: I can go ahead and waste fifteen minutes to him 1168 01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:28,800 Speaker 1: doing that stuff here, awesome because then he's not doing 1169 01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:33,000 Speaker 1: it over in the neighbors during legal shooting light. Um. 1170 01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:36,000 Speaker 1: And at the same time, all those tops now are 1171 01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:39,960 Speaker 1: down ground level. I don't care if we are talking 1172 01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:46,320 Speaker 1: the richest farm land in Iowa or northeastern or northwestern 1173 01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:50,400 Speaker 1: Lower Peninsula of Michigan. Do you eat a lot of brows, 1174 01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:56,000 Speaker 1: no matter what other food options they have. So we 1175 01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:58,679 Speaker 1: now have another food source here. We have the brows 1176 01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:01,519 Speaker 1: from those tops that are down, the leafy and the 1177 01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:05,599 Speaker 1: leafy growth in the bugs over winter as well as food. 1178 01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:07,960 Speaker 1: We opened up a five yard band along the edge 1179 01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,800 Speaker 1: of this food plot, so it's getting sunlight. So now 1180 01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:14,040 Speaker 1: we have cool seasoned grasses and weaves and all sorts 1181 01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:17,800 Speaker 1: of regrowth. We just created a salad bar form surrounding 1182 01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:20,640 Speaker 1: our plot. And at the same time we made it 1183 01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:25,000 Speaker 1: slap plot gets more sunlight by taking out some trees 1184 01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:28,439 Speaker 1: that would shade the outer edge, but the outer edge 1185 01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:30,160 Speaker 1: is still going to get more shade and still going 1186 01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:33,400 Speaker 1: to have more competition from trees and stuff. What works 1187 01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:36,280 Speaker 1: well there culver. So I'll go ahead and slap in 1188 01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:40,599 Speaker 1: a ten yard bank white, a ten yard wide band 1189 01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:45,559 Speaker 1: of culver around the food plot. Because that ten yard 1190 01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:49,040 Speaker 1: white outside band isn't gonna produce brass, because real well 1191 01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:51,519 Speaker 1: isn't gonna produce corn really well isn't gonna go ahead 1192 01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:54,880 Speaker 1: and produce soybeans. Sure is going to produce clover well though. 1193 01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:59,280 Speaker 1: So now in the inside of the plot, if it's 1194 01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:03,160 Speaker 1: a if we're talking to several light plot, I've got 1195 01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:06,439 Speaker 1: all sorts of options. I can go with corn, I 1196 01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:08,760 Speaker 1: can go with soybeans, that can go with brass, because 1197 01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:10,880 Speaker 1: I can go with the combination of the three if 1198 01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:14,720 Speaker 1: I want to. But I'm gonna nine times out of 1199 01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:18,600 Speaker 1: ten I'm either planting the honey hoole, which is a 1200 01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:22,680 Speaker 1: brassica mix, or I'm planning soybeans or corn in the 1201 01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:28,080 Speaker 1: center of that plot. Okay, So now we have three 1202 01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:31,519 Speaker 1: food sources already. We've got the edge feathering and all 1203 01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,720 Speaker 1: the salad bar that's creating. We've got the trophy. We've 1204 01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:38,320 Speaker 1: got the clover going out around the food plot in 1205 01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:41,520 Speaker 1: an area where we can't get other most other plantings 1206 01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:45,040 Speaker 1: to really thrive. And in the center of that food plot, 1207 01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:53,559 Speaker 1: we've got either brassica's corn or soybeans. Awesome. Now, once 1208 01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:58,519 Speaker 1: we start getting into fall, if it's brass if it's corn, 1209 01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:03,240 Speaker 1: or if it's corner soybeans I planted, I'll go out 1210 01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:05,920 Speaker 1: there and i'll top seat. When those with the leaves 1211 01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:09,120 Speaker 1: start yellowing a little bit, I will do nothing more 1212 01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:14,400 Speaker 1: than throw a hundred pounds per acre of three part 1213 01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:17,599 Speaker 1: cereal rye one part ben oats. And by ben oats, 1214 01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:20,840 Speaker 1: I mean just fetos, just cheap oats, cheap as oats 1215 01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:23,559 Speaker 1: you can get your hands on, um, about a hundred 1216 01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:25,200 Speaker 1: pounds and acre. I'm going to throw that right on 1217 01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:28,559 Speaker 1: top of the dirt. Just go through with a hand seat. 1218 01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:32,160 Speaker 1: If it's corn, it's about every fifth row, I'll go 1219 01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:34,840 Speaker 1: ahead and walk down and just with a hand seater, 1220 01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:40,519 Speaker 1: hand seating cereal ryan oats out into this stuff. Because 1221 01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:44,120 Speaker 1: now I've got yet another food source option. And at 1222 01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:47,840 Speaker 1: the same time, and what becomes subrassica as brassicas you 1223 01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:51,439 Speaker 1: can go ahead and do spring plantings to get by 1224 01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:54,880 Speaker 1: you you may want to seriously consider it. Um doing 1225 01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:58,479 Speaker 1: spring plantings a brassicas. If you use the right type 1226 01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:03,360 Speaker 1: of brassicas, you can, man, you can have some serious 1227 01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:07,360 Speaker 1: food by fall. Now it's not quite as nutritious, it's 1228 01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:10,240 Speaker 1: not quite as desirable. But when m I can go 1229 01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:12,840 Speaker 1: ahead and I can eat swamp sticks, or I can 1230 01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:16,840 Speaker 1: eat brassicas that are a little bit overmature brascas. Your 1231 01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:20,840 Speaker 1: sound good in that situation. You're down in Iowa, and 1232 01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:25,000 Speaker 1: I can eat overly mature brasticas, or I can eat 1233 01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:30,400 Speaker 1: LFL FU clover um, soybeans or corn. Well, that's not 1234 01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:34,560 Speaker 1: quite as good of an option, okay, um, But so 1235 01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:38,200 Speaker 1: there's a little side bonus side tip. How's that? Uh? 1236 01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:46,200 Speaker 1: Most times I'm planting brassicas in August, when those brassicas 1237 01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:49,639 Speaker 1: get up about over four to six eight inches, I'm 1238 01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:52,519 Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and top seed that same three parts 1239 01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:56,120 Speaker 1: cereal rye one part bent about a hundred pounds pre acre, 1240 01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:58,680 Speaker 1: you know, right on top of the dirt into that 1241 01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:03,840 Speaker 1: braska as well. The whole reason behind that is, now 1242 01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:09,880 Speaker 1: you're I don't care for talking braska. We're talking corn, 1243 01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:13,320 Speaker 1: we're talking soybeans. They can only would you know, you 1244 01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:16,240 Speaker 1: eat them? They're gone, Okay, They're not like a clover 1245 01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:19,280 Speaker 1: that keeps growing back over and over and over. Um, 1246 01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:25,280 Speaker 1: So those more candy crops, they've got a limited lifespan. 1247 01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:29,479 Speaker 1: But and especially if you're only planning an eight or 1248 01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:32,040 Speaker 1: two of it up by you there, that ain't that 1249 01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:34,880 Speaker 1: ain't probably even gonna make it through the rut. The 1250 01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:39,160 Speaker 1: grains the brask Is probably would. But the grains probably 1251 01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:42,240 Speaker 1: won't even make it through the rut. But that's okay 1252 01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:46,000 Speaker 1: because when the grains are gone, I still have oats, 1253 01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:48,559 Speaker 1: and well, the oats are probably froze out by them, 1254 01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:52,320 Speaker 1: but I still have cereal right out here, and that 1255 01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:56,640 Speaker 1: cereal right doesn't freeze out. So now you add and 1256 01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:59,000 Speaker 1: then I'm gonna go ahead, and I'm going if I'm 1257 01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:01,400 Speaker 1: especially if i'm sucking a northern state up by you, 1258 01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:04,280 Speaker 1: even with all that water around there, I'm gonna go 1259 01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:05,960 Speaker 1: ahead and put in a couple of water holes on 1260 01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:09,719 Speaker 1: that food pot. But I'm gonna put definitely a water 1261 01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:12,360 Speaker 1: hole by one of the stands in a safe wind direction. 1262 01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:15,720 Speaker 1: So now I have food and water. And then what 1263 01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,559 Speaker 1: the heck, I'm gonna go ahead and slap in half 1264 01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:23,160 Speaker 1: dozen fruit trees and maybe even a couple of dungs 1265 01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:27,320 Speaker 1: in their oaks as well. Add it all up, and 1266 01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:30,240 Speaker 1: why am I going to go anywhere else to eat first? 1267 01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:34,160 Speaker 1: Is now, look at just planting that opening in soybeans. 1268 01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:40,240 Speaker 1: Soybeans great food choice, But this heck up until those 1269 01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:44,400 Speaker 1: leaves the yellow. Once those leaves the yellow even up 1270 01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:49,919 Speaker 1: heaven up by you where there isn't tremendous food options 1271 01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:53,439 Speaker 1: in the area, those leaves yellow, they're gonna be shifting 1272 01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:57,360 Speaker 1: too something else for a while. Now they go ahead 1273 01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:01,639 Speaker 1: and they dry out in harden. Now they're gonna shift back. Um, 1274 01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:05,240 Speaker 1: I don't want them shifting around. I want to offer 1275 01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:08,080 Speaker 1: him everything they could possibly want in one location, because 1276 01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:10,760 Speaker 1: that is going to make them so much more predictable. 1277 01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:16,479 Speaker 1: It's not even funny now when it comes to planting 1278 01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:19,759 Speaker 1: another thing. And I mean, there's there's so much information 1279 01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:22,240 Speaker 1: out there online as far as the basics of how 1280 01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:25,240 Speaker 1: to plant something like clover or brassicas or whatever. There's 1281 01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:28,439 Speaker 1: plenty of step by step instructions of how to do this. Um, 1282 01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:31,679 Speaker 1: we don't need to cover that. But but one specific 1283 01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:34,200 Speaker 1: example I've heard you talk about, I think is is 1284 01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:36,439 Speaker 1: kind of unique and worth mentioning. And it's your poor 1285 01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:39,760 Speaker 1: man's no till way of planning a food plot. So 1286 01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:43,120 Speaker 1: if you don't have all the big equipment, UM, the 1287 01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:47,120 Speaker 1: way you recommend putting in some type of food plot 1288 01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:50,200 Speaker 1: without that big equipment, I thought was worth touching on. UM. 1289 01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:52,400 Speaker 1: If I'm in that situation, can you talk us through 1290 01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:56,280 Speaker 1: that poor man's no till you you have in your 1291 01:16:56,360 --> 01:17:00,120 Speaker 1: area and I'm just actually feeds into this UM. In 1292 01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:04,759 Speaker 1: your area, you have the disadvantage of a shorter growing season, 1293 01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:11,960 Speaker 1: but you have the advantage of higher I mean higher 1294 01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:19,240 Speaker 1: monthly rainfall averages, lower monthly temp average temps than Indiana 1295 01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:24,240 Speaker 1: per se. Okay, UM. How one of the bigger things 1296 01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:28,400 Speaker 1: I learned is man, these northern states food plats very easy. 1297 01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:36,040 Speaker 1: They are, UM, and this method is going to work 1298 01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:41,760 Speaker 1: better in your northern states because the daylight temperatures during 1299 01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:45,560 Speaker 1: the during the hot season, they're getting as hot, and 1300 01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:50,599 Speaker 1: we tend to have more monthly annual precipitation. UM. If 1301 01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:58,120 Speaker 1: you're going to if you're going to be talking Indiana, Iowa, Missouri, Illinois, UM, 1302 01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:02,200 Speaker 1: there you need you really need to focus this technique 1303 01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:06,160 Speaker 1: on lower areas that get adequate moisture. You try doing 1304 01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:08,320 Speaker 1: what I'm about to describe up on a ridge top, 1305 01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:10,639 Speaker 1: a dry ridge top. It isn't gonna work real well. 1306 01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:15,320 Speaker 1: But really, all it is is using using the weeds 1307 01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:19,120 Speaker 1: to go ahead and blank at the seed between the 1308 01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:22,000 Speaker 1: dirt and the weed. If the seed itself doesn't care 1309 01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:26,120 Speaker 1: if it's if it's covered with dirt or if it's 1310 01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:30,560 Speaker 1: blanketed by a combo of dirt and dead weed. So 1311 01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:34,840 Speaker 1: what I'm doing is I'm going in. I am top 1312 01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:38,519 Speaker 1: seating this area with nine times out of ten. Uh, 1313 01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:41,680 Speaker 1: just a hand seater because there's a reason that I'm 1314 01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:45,519 Speaker 1: not working the dirt in this area. Um. But you 1315 01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:47,880 Speaker 1: know it's a great trick for people that don't have 1316 01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:53,519 Speaker 1: equip big equipment. Um, a ferminator. Ferminator is the best 1317 01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:58,680 Speaker 1: a TV implement I've ever used in my life. But 1318 01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:00,800 Speaker 1: you don't have to have one to put in a 1319 01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:03,719 Speaker 1: food pot. You can't go out there and do nothing. 1320 01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:05,680 Speaker 1: You can put in a food pot with nothing more 1321 01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:08,200 Speaker 1: than a backpack sprayer and a hand well, hecky wouldn't 1322 01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:09,880 Speaker 1: even need a hand seater. You could throw them out 1323 01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:12,120 Speaker 1: by hand if you really wanted to, but I'd suggest 1324 01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:14,559 Speaker 1: getting a hand seater. So you go to this area, 1325 01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:20,240 Speaker 1: you do nothing more than spray it with roundup regeneric equivalent. 1326 01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:23,360 Speaker 1: As a side note, please do not buy this from 1327 01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:29,080 Speaker 1: a chain store. Instead, go to local coop and they 1328 01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:32,880 Speaker 1: won't have a bottle. That's that's small enough for your use. 1329 01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:36,240 Speaker 1: But it's okay. It's it keeps and you're gonna be 1330 01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:39,560 Speaker 1: able to buy enough round up to last year for 1331 01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:42,200 Speaker 1: twenty years for less money than you're gonna be able 1332 01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:44,920 Speaker 1: to buy it down at the big box store. They 1333 01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:47,760 Speaker 1: rip you off on chemicals. A big box store so bad, 1334 01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:54,280 Speaker 1: it's beyond ridiculous. Um, But just go in there spray it. 1335 01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:59,240 Speaker 1: You can top seed right after. Because roundup is actually 1336 01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:02,760 Speaker 1: a cont hacked her beside, meaning that it has to 1337 01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:10,360 Speaker 1: come in contact with actively growing plant tissue be absorbed 1338 01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:13,719 Speaker 1: into that plant for it to work. You can Heck, 1339 01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:17,519 Speaker 1: you could soak. I'm not suggesting anyone does this, but 1340 01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:20,479 Speaker 1: you could soak seeds and round up before you plant them, 1341 01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:24,080 Speaker 1: and they're still going to germinate because it's not going 1342 01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:29,960 Speaker 1: to go It can only affect living plant tissue. Okay. Um, 1343 01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:34,720 Speaker 1: So I'll go ahead, right after I spray, I'll go 1344 01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:38,439 Speaker 1: ahead and throw the brassicas or clover. You need to 1345 01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:41,880 Speaker 1: use small sea varieties for the six stuff to work. Well, Um, 1346 01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:45,400 Speaker 1: I'll throw Brassica's clover right on top of the dirt, 1347 01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:47,599 Speaker 1: and nine times out of ten I'm walking away. Right then, 1348 01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:51,599 Speaker 1: If if this is an area where I'm worried isn't 1349 01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,240 Speaker 1: gonna get enough moisture, what I'll do is I'll come 1350 01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:58,479 Speaker 1: back in about a week or two. I won't seed 1351 01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:01,519 Speaker 1: right then, I'll just go ahead and spray. I'll come 1352 01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:03,599 Speaker 1: back in a week or two before all the weeds 1353 01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:07,320 Speaker 1: are fallen down, but yet they're dead. Now, toss the 1354 01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:11,120 Speaker 1: seeds and just fashion some type of a drag now 1355 01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:14,120 Speaker 1: to drag the weeds down to create the blanket there. 1356 01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:19,880 Speaker 1: But that a person. The biggest really, the biggest key 1357 01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:25,160 Speaker 1: in all this is just the realization that we're not 1358 01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:29,040 Speaker 1: we're not cash cropping here. We're not trying to create 1359 01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:34,360 Speaker 1: uh cover photo for Farm Digest Weekly. All we're trying 1360 01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:37,880 Speaker 1: to do is create enough food for deer. Weeds are 1361 01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:42,280 Speaker 1: oftentimes most weeds are deer food, at least during various 1362 01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:47,840 Speaker 1: stages growth stages of their life. Now, what we really 1363 01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:53,240 Speaker 1: have to worry about isn't so much weeds but grasses, grasses. 1364 01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:57,000 Speaker 1: They there are enemies there. What ends up, choking stuff 1365 01:21:57,040 --> 01:22:00,200 Speaker 1: out and getting ugly and all that good stuff, but 1366 01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:04,200 Speaker 1: a few weeds in food plots. Who cares? As I said, 1367 01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:08,799 Speaker 1: that's dear food now. Um, and you take that approach, 1368 01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:11,960 Speaker 1: you can get food in all sorts of I won't 1369 01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:15,120 Speaker 1: my and I'd love to take credit for this idea. 1370 01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:17,240 Speaker 1: My brother actually is the one who first thought of 1371 01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:22,120 Speaker 1: it and started doing it. Um. His his ground has 1372 01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:26,160 Speaker 1: a bunch of has a bunch of swamps. Okay. On 1373 01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:30,160 Speaker 1: what he does is in those swamps they fill up. 1374 01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:33,720 Speaker 1: They're just little pockets. They fill up in spring and 1375 01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:37,320 Speaker 1: over summer they slowly recede till your time you get 1376 01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:40,120 Speaker 1: to fall. All he does around those swamp edges is 1377 01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:43,400 Speaker 1: tossed right on top of the dirt, tossed the cereal 1378 01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:50,599 Speaker 1: ryots mixed I was talking about, and just be be creative. 1379 01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:53,679 Speaker 1: They're all you need to do is getting enough food 1380 01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:56,760 Speaker 1: off there for deer. It doesn't have to look if 1381 01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:59,760 Speaker 1: you're trying to make your food plots look like what 1382 01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:02,640 Speaker 1: like your neighbor's farm fields, there's nothing wrong with that, 1383 01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:07,439 Speaker 1: But you sure you don't have to? Is there is 1384 01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:10,400 Speaker 1: there anything else that you do when it comes to 1385 01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:15,120 Speaker 1: food plots that that helps take things above and beyond. 1386 01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:18,160 Speaker 1: But then maybe it's a little unique beyond just the 1387 01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:20,200 Speaker 1: basics of getting something to grow. Is there anything that 1388 01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:22,080 Speaker 1: you're doing this kind of next level that we haven't 1389 01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:24,800 Speaker 1: touched on On the food plot side, the big thing 1390 01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:30,240 Speaker 1: is looking branches. Uh, go ahead and well, let's say 1391 01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:33,760 Speaker 1: big things. When you're laying this stuff out o that 1392 01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:37,200 Speaker 1: edge feathering. Awesome, you just created a nice little thick 1393 01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:42,000 Speaker 1: band around this around the food plot. Well, there's especially 1394 01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:44,200 Speaker 1: a year or two after that when it really starts 1395 01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:47,519 Speaker 1: growing up. There's no reason that you can't cut a 1396 01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:50,400 Speaker 1: trail through that stuff where you want the deer to 1397 01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:53,439 Speaker 1: enter and eggs. It's not going to mean every single 1398 01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:57,479 Speaker 1: year is entering an egg thing there now. But if 1399 01:23:57,479 --> 01:23:59,120 Speaker 1: it's the buck you want to kill, that's all that 1400 01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:05,040 Speaker 1: really matters. Um putting that going ahead, in putting a 1401 01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:08,280 Speaker 1: scrape tree twenty yards out in front of your stand 1402 01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:11,960 Speaker 1: with licking branches pointing back towards you. You can either 1403 01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:14,280 Speaker 1: plant a tree and protect it until it gets to 1404 01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:18,639 Speaker 1: that stage where licking branches are about nose level the deer, 1405 01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:22,720 Speaker 1: or even go ahead and cut a tree, cut it off, 1406 01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:25,120 Speaker 1: dig a hole two and a half three ft in 1407 01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:28,000 Speaker 1: the ground and plant it now if you're gonna go 1408 01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:31,480 Speaker 1: ahead and go that route, and when now, when it's planted, 1409 01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:35,080 Speaker 1: you've got the branches right about it, nose level to 1410 01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:38,559 Speaker 1: deer pointing back towards the stand again, you know, because 1411 01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:40,920 Speaker 1: that's going to help both draw them and position them 1412 01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:43,559 Speaker 1: for the shop. You don't want to, if you're going 1413 01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:47,000 Speaker 1: to go that route, use hardwoods because soft woods break 1414 01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:50,360 Speaker 1: too easy. Or something I started messing with this past 1415 01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:53,280 Speaker 1: year is just taking a treated fence post, slapping a 1416 01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:57,519 Speaker 1: slap in a chunk of two by ten on top 1417 01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:00,559 Speaker 1: of it, drilling some holes in, attaching some U bolts, 1418 01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:05,479 Speaker 1: and putting putting those outen plots. Now, all I have 1419 01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:07,720 Speaker 1: to do each year is replace the branches that the 1420 01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:11,680 Speaker 1: U boats are holding with new cut branches. You know. 1421 01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:15,240 Speaker 1: But what I'm really getting at here is again creativity. 1422 01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:18,560 Speaker 1: Make it so that that food plot has a ridiculous 1423 01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:22,720 Speaker 1: amount of licking branches sitting right at nose level. You know, 1424 01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:27,120 Speaker 1: I'll go ahead and on one of them. More often 1425 01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:30,080 Speaker 1: than not, I'll go ahead and slap out a magnum 1426 01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:32,800 Speaker 1: scrape dripper with some gold and scrape trying to chum 1427 01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:37,160 Speaker 1: the area just to start with. You don't absolutely have 1428 01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:39,280 Speaker 1: to do that, though, if you don't want to go 1429 01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:42,439 Speaker 1: out and get a magnum scrape dripper and spend money 1430 01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:45,960 Speaker 1: on scent, don't but get those licking branches down at 1431 01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:49,200 Speaker 1: nose levels. So now I'm creating as much of a 1432 01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:51,680 Speaker 1: social hub and this food plot as I am a 1433 01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:55,920 Speaker 1: food source, and I'm laying it out where. Okay, when 1434 01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:59,320 Speaker 1: that buck is working that scrape tree safe wind, taking 1435 01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:02,280 Speaker 1: his attention away from me within shooting distance, I got 1436 01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:05,280 Speaker 1: all day to come to full draw. When that buck 1437 01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:08,160 Speaker 1: is over there drinking in that water source of one 1438 01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:11,760 Speaker 1: head and backstop the water source, so he has to 1439 01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:15,800 Speaker 1: be facing broadside or away from me to get a drink. 1440 01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:18,120 Speaker 1: That happens to be in a safe wind location, just 1441 01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:21,880 Speaker 1: like the scrape tree was within shooting distance of the stand. 1442 01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:28,800 Speaker 1: Put that entrance, that trail through the edge, feathering in 1443 01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:31,960 Speaker 1: a safe wind direction twenty yards from the stand. So 1444 01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:34,800 Speaker 1: if he comes out on that trail, you're killing him. 1445 01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:39,080 Speaker 1: Think about all these little things you can do. Not 1446 01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:43,200 Speaker 1: any one of them changes the world. You had enough 1447 01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:44,960 Speaker 1: of them together, though one it can be a pretty 1448 01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:53,160 Speaker 1: darn big game changer. About the only other random food 1449 01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:56,720 Speaker 1: food plot tip that I can think of that not 1450 01:26:56,920 --> 01:27:03,400 Speaker 1: everybody in the world already knows is fulliar fertilizers. If 1451 01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:06,960 Speaker 1: you're in a jam, so you go ahead, you put 1452 01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:11,240 Speaker 1: in two acres of soybeans up at your place, and 1453 01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:15,720 Speaker 1: oh man, those deer are just hammering the snot out 1454 01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:19,200 Speaker 1: of them. You know right now, they're just they're wasted 1455 01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:22,760 Speaker 1: on them. Um. And at the same time, you know, 1456 01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:25,680 Speaker 1: it's starting to get to the point where where the 1457 01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:28,280 Speaker 1: weed competition is starting to get bad. Which is good 1458 01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:31,280 Speaker 1: because those weeds you can use them to protect your 1459 01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:33,320 Speaker 1: soybeans as they're growing up. But let's getting to the 1460 01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:36,240 Speaker 1: point where they're starting to choke it out. They're wiping 1461 01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:39,479 Speaker 1: out the areas where they can get to and the 1462 01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:43,479 Speaker 1: stuff that can't is choked with weeds. Well, I gotta say, 1463 01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:46,960 Speaker 1: I put off spring as long as I could to 1464 01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:49,840 Speaker 1: use those weeds to protect those soybeans. But man, I 1465 01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:52,880 Speaker 1: got a spray. Now we'll go ahead and add a 1466 01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:59,439 Speaker 1: at a full fulliar fertilizer to that spray. So now 1467 01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:03,400 Speaker 1: what you're doing one is here actually increasing your kill 1468 01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:07,800 Speaker 1: rate by getting those weeds and grasses to absorb even 1469 01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:12,800 Speaker 1: more chemical because they're actively trying to absorb the fertilizer 1470 01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:16,400 Speaker 1: that was sprayed on them along with that chemical. And 1471 01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:19,679 Speaker 1: at the same time, you're giving your planting a growth spurt. 1472 01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:24,479 Speaker 1: You're giving it a nice boost of a nice boost 1473 01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:28,240 Speaker 1: of growth to kind of help you get ahead of 1474 01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:31,280 Speaker 1: the curve a little bit more. That that's that's a 1475 01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:33,960 Speaker 1: nice little trick that. I mean. It's not something that 1476 01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:37,360 Speaker 1: I use every year on every food plot, by any 1477 01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:42,040 Speaker 1: stretch of the imagination, but every year, I mean I've 1478 01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:43,680 Speaker 1: got a whole bunch of food plots and a whole 1479 01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:46,439 Speaker 1: bunch of different properties. Every year, I'm using it a 1480 01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:50,200 Speaker 1: couple of times. It's just a nice little trick there. 1481 01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:53,479 Speaker 1: What about this scenario. What if I went ahead and 1482 01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:57,320 Speaker 1: I planet soybeans or something in the spring, or maybe 1483 01:28:57,400 --> 01:29:00,519 Speaker 1: I planted brassicas in August, like we're talking about earlier, 1484 01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:03,479 Speaker 1: but the rain that was supposed to come doesn't it. 1485 01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:06,000 Speaker 1: I get hit with a drought, or maybe the beans 1486 01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:08,559 Speaker 1: just get hammered by the deer so much they're never 1487 01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:10,599 Speaker 1: able to really get over that hump and they're eaten 1488 01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:12,600 Speaker 1: down to the ground. And I get to sometime in 1489 01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:15,720 Speaker 1: September and I'm looking at a blank slate, like the 1490 01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:20,240 Speaker 1: plots have failed and what are you doing that? Scenarrow. 1491 01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:27,599 Speaker 1: Cereal rye is a great diaper um. It doesn't unlike 1492 01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:32,160 Speaker 1: unlike oats, for example, where you plant them, it hits 1493 01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:36,280 Speaker 1: a certain temperature and they freeze out. Cereal rye doesn't 1494 01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:38,640 Speaker 1: freeze out the same with actually the winter wheat. If 1495 01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:41,000 Speaker 1: it gets too cold, the winter week can freeze out 1496 01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:47,040 Speaker 1: um cereal right, does it just merely goes to dorman 1497 01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:49,840 Speaker 1: and winter wheat. By the way, it's far better than 1498 01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:52,600 Speaker 1: just regular oats um for being able to handle that. 1499 01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:55,400 Speaker 1: But so what you can do is you can get 1500 01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:58,880 Speaker 1: in there now in September and planted and grain in 1501 01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:03,160 Speaker 1: either to wheat a serial rye. I personally, I keep 1502 01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:05,920 Speaker 1: going back to. I keep going back to three parts 1503 01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:08,120 Speaker 1: cereal right. One part been o It's it's the best 1504 01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:10,599 Speaker 1: combo for what I'm trying to accomplish that I can 1505 01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:14,360 Speaker 1: find you. All The oats pop real quick and easy, 1506 01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:17,240 Speaker 1: um cereal right. It takes a little bit more work 1507 01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:20,960 Speaker 1: to germinate them, but the oats pop real quick and 1508 01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:23,439 Speaker 1: easy in the second pretty much the second to come 1509 01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:26,960 Speaker 1: out of the ground. That's when they're most desirable, so 1510 01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:30,800 Speaker 1: they take some initial feeding pressure. As the cereal rice 1511 01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:34,240 Speaker 1: starts to get going. As a serial right gets going, 1512 01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:37,720 Speaker 1: it ends up. That's about the time when the when 1513 01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:40,519 Speaker 1: the oats are starting to die off a little bit 1514 01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:43,920 Speaker 1: and you get a nice little two punch combat of 1515 01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:47,240 Speaker 1: the deal. That can as long as long as that 1516 01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:54,720 Speaker 1: ground isn't frozen, that's cereal right, can germanate versus a 1517 01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:58,160 Speaker 1: versus you try to If you try to plant soybeans 1518 01:30:58,240 --> 01:31:00,280 Speaker 1: that time of year, you couldn't even get them to uh, 1519 01:31:00,439 --> 01:31:03,479 Speaker 1: couldn't even get them to Germany because soil temperatures have 1520 01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:05,880 Speaker 1: to be uh have to be up to a certain 1521 01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:09,400 Speaker 1: point before they can or a serial ride. Now, as 1522 01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:13,840 Speaker 1: long as it's not froze, that stuff can Germany and 1523 01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:16,360 Speaker 1: you can just you can just broadcast that topsy that 1524 01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:19,120 Speaker 1: when there's some rain coming and that will be all 1525 01:31:19,120 --> 01:31:23,680 Speaker 1: you need to do. Probably you can, Yes, it is. 1526 01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:25,400 Speaker 1: I'm not going to kid you though. You're going to 1527 01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:27,880 Speaker 1: get a better stand if you actually work the dirt. 1528 01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:33,880 Speaker 1: But as I said, so much of this is is Okay, 1529 01:31:33,960 --> 01:31:36,160 Speaker 1: this is what I really want? Now, what can I have? 1530 01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:39,439 Speaker 1: I'm going to get as close to what I really 1531 01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:42,800 Speaker 1: want as I can. But you know what, as I said, 1532 01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:45,439 Speaker 1: I'm going to keep. Hopefully I've hammered this enough to 1533 01:31:45,479 --> 01:31:49,400 Speaker 1: get it through. We're not cash cropping here. All we're 1534 01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:51,599 Speaker 1: trying to do is grow some stuff that dear ell ete. 1535 01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:55,200 Speaker 1: So it doesn't have to look perfect, It doesn't have 1536 01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:57,439 Speaker 1: to be a uniform stand, it doesn't have to be 1537 01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:00,600 Speaker 1: any of that stuff. All it has to do is 1538 01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:05,200 Speaker 1: offer them food that they want, nothing more and nothing less. 1539 01:32:05,640 --> 01:32:10,040 Speaker 1: Something is better than nothing, yes exactly, um, speaking of 1540 01:32:10,160 --> 01:32:14,280 Speaker 1: which he don't be more than once over the years, 1541 01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:18,200 Speaker 1: you know you're hunting back in the timber um, and 1542 01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:21,080 Speaker 1: you happen to be hunting a little bit of an 1543 01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:23,680 Speaker 1: open well, you can go ahead, and you can go 1544 01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:26,519 Speaker 1: ahead and throw cereal Ryan Oates right down on the 1545 01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:30,040 Speaker 1: ground of the forest, flour, do a little raking, and 1546 01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:32,040 Speaker 1: if the leaves are off, it's probably gonna come up, 1547 01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:38,120 Speaker 1: and it's There's be creative, is really what I'm trying 1548 01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:42,080 Speaker 1: to hammer in all this stuff. Don't just because nobody 1549 01:32:42,120 --> 01:32:44,759 Speaker 1: has said you can do something, that doesn't mean he can't. 1550 01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:48,720 Speaker 1: And just because everybody says you can love God, don't 1551 01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:51,280 Speaker 1: listen to him if it's not working for you. Stop 1552 01:32:52,120 --> 01:32:55,759 Speaker 1: and that that includes me. No matter how many people, 1553 01:32:56,200 --> 01:33:00,439 Speaker 1: including myself, are telling people to do something, if it's 1554 01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:02,759 Speaker 1: not working for you, for the love of God, stop 1555 01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:06,439 Speaker 1: and no matter how many people are telling you that 1556 01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:09,240 Speaker 1: this is a huge mistake, don't do that that will 1557 01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:11,519 Speaker 1: never work. If it's working for you, keep doing it. 1558 01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:16,720 Speaker 1: Because each and every one of us have different experiences, 1559 01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:20,479 Speaker 1: different ways of doing things, different environments were working in, 1560 01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:25,160 Speaker 1: and everything doesn't work the same for everybody. It doesn't 1561 01:33:25,240 --> 01:33:29,680 Speaker 1: all somebody like me is doing. Really, Ultimately, all I'm 1562 01:33:29,800 --> 01:33:33,160 Speaker 1: doing is sharing one of my successes and failures. But 1563 01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:35,840 Speaker 1: the people that, in large parts, the people that are listening, 1564 01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:40,760 Speaker 1: enabled me to have Now that, I'm not pretending that 1565 01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:42,960 Speaker 1: everything I do is the smartest way of doing it 1566 01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:46,960 Speaker 1: or the best, and I'm sure not pretending that everything 1567 01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:49,639 Speaker 1: I do is going to work equally well for everyone 1568 01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:53,479 Speaker 1: else out there. Each of us has to figure out 1569 01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:58,840 Speaker 1: what works for us and run with it and ignore 1570 01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:04,280 Speaker 1: all the noise that goes along with it, and be creative. 1571 01:34:04,760 --> 01:34:07,120 Speaker 1: Don't don't be free. I learned. I can tell you 1572 01:34:07,200 --> 01:34:09,560 Speaker 1: I learned so much more from when I fall on 1573 01:34:09,680 --> 01:34:12,920 Speaker 1: my face than I ever do from when I succeed no, 1574 01:34:14,280 --> 01:34:20,679 Speaker 1: failure isn't a failure unless you don't learn anything from it. Yeah, 1575 01:34:20,920 --> 01:34:23,840 Speaker 1: I think that's that's one of the most important things 1576 01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:25,920 Speaker 1: that always keep top of mind when it comes to 1577 01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:28,879 Speaker 1: deer hunting, because there's gonna be lots of quote unquote failures. 1578 01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:32,519 Speaker 1: But to your point, take something from it, grow from it, 1579 01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:35,719 Speaker 1: and you're being a better You're being a better position afterwards. 1580 01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:42,040 Speaker 1: Speaking of um to to kind of a change course 1581 01:34:42,160 --> 01:34:46,160 Speaker 1: is a bit speaking of popular things that people recommend 1582 01:34:46,200 --> 01:34:50,959 Speaker 1: a lot. One of those really really common catch phrases 1583 01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:56,240 Speaker 1: out there is sanctuary. You know, people, authors, experts recommend 1584 01:34:56,320 --> 01:34:59,240 Speaker 1: having a sanctuary on your property. Can you give us 1585 01:34:59,240 --> 01:35:02,240 Speaker 1: your take on saying stuaries and if which I think 1586 01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:04,760 Speaker 1: you do, think there's some value to them. What's the 1587 01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:07,560 Speaker 1: requirements of our sanctuary? How do you make one or 1588 01:35:07,640 --> 01:35:10,120 Speaker 1: make one better? Um, we'd love to hear about your 1589 01:35:10,120 --> 01:35:14,840 Speaker 1: thoughts on that, and really, really if you peel the 1590 01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:18,960 Speaker 1: onion I've been talking about sanctuary for a large part 1591 01:35:19,040 --> 01:35:23,760 Speaker 1: of this entire conversation. UM, to me, sanctuary, all that 1592 01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:25,640 Speaker 1: means is this is an area that I tend not 1593 01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:29,080 Speaker 1: to go. UM. It doesn't mean that I'm never going 1594 01:35:29,120 --> 01:35:31,120 Speaker 1: to go there. As a matter of fact, it is 1595 01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:36,400 Speaker 1: a the definition using air quotes here that nobody can 1596 01:35:36,439 --> 01:35:42,639 Speaker 1: see um of sanctuary. That that I've come to gather 1597 01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:47,040 Speaker 1: most are talking about is all right, this area here, 1598 01:35:47,400 --> 01:35:49,839 Speaker 1: you just plane, do not go into it for anything 1599 01:35:49,960 --> 01:35:53,920 Speaker 1: other than to retrieve a deer. I'm sorry, I think 1600 01:35:53,960 --> 01:35:58,360 Speaker 1: that's ridiculous. How do you if okay, you're sanctuary, what 1601 01:35:58,479 --> 01:36:02,519 Speaker 1: you're really In my mind, it always it always comes 1602 01:36:02,600 --> 01:36:05,120 Speaker 1: back to what am I trying to accomplish. I'm trying 1603 01:36:05,160 --> 01:36:07,880 Speaker 1: to get dear to spend a disproportionate amount of time 1604 01:36:08,040 --> 01:36:10,519 Speaker 1: on my ground. How do I do that? I do 1605 01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:12,719 Speaker 1: that by giving them the best food, the best water, 1606 01:36:12,920 --> 01:36:17,280 Speaker 1: the best um comfort, the best breeding opportunities, and the 1607 01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:21,679 Speaker 1: best feeling of safety they can get in the entire area. Okay, 1608 01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:27,920 Speaker 1: so if I want them to feel safe, I stay out, 1609 01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:31,640 Speaker 1: But geez, I can have that area achieve more than 1610 01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:34,880 Speaker 1: just that. Hey, that that that's good. I'm glad I 1611 01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:37,880 Speaker 1: was able to put pluck that low hanging fruit of 1612 01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:40,679 Speaker 1: making them feel safe by not going in there. That's easy. 1613 01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:43,840 Speaker 1: But let's give them some comfort, Let's give them some betting, 1614 01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:46,720 Speaker 1: Let's give them that. How do you do that? You 1615 01:36:46,840 --> 01:36:49,760 Speaker 1: get in there and you do some work. I I 1616 01:36:49,960 --> 01:36:54,920 Speaker 1: don't think that anybody is doing themselves any favors by 1617 01:36:55,160 --> 01:36:58,800 Speaker 1: never stepping foot into this hundred acre area of their 1618 01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:04,880 Speaker 1: h property. Please go in there and scout, improve it. 1619 01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:09,000 Speaker 1: Just don't spend a ridiculous amount of time in there, now, 1620 01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:11,080 Speaker 1: try to What I do is every spring I go 1621 01:37:11,200 --> 01:37:14,320 Speaker 1: in there, I shed hunt and scout. And while I'm sheding, 1622 01:37:14,400 --> 01:37:18,920 Speaker 1: hunting and scouting these sanctuaries, I'm also looking, Okay, how 1623 01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:22,960 Speaker 1: are they used? How are they specifically utilizing this? Can 1624 01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:25,120 Speaker 1: I set up on the outside of it to take 1625 01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:28,880 Speaker 1: advantage of that? Um? Their main entrance and exit rope? 1626 01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:32,439 Speaker 1: Is there anything I need to do to improve this 1627 01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:36,000 Speaker 1: from a comfort and safety standpoint? Maybe? Maybe if I 1628 01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:39,320 Speaker 1: go ahead and plant a bunch of uh ten acres 1629 01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:43,240 Speaker 1: in Norway spruce in here. Now, we'll go ahead and 1630 01:37:43,320 --> 01:37:46,880 Speaker 1: space some fifteen feet apart between trees and between rose, 1631 01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:49,679 Speaker 1: and will stagger the rose so they get even more sunlight. 1632 01:37:50,240 --> 01:37:53,160 Speaker 1: Man ten years, that's awesome. Now I got some thermal 1633 01:37:53,240 --> 01:37:57,439 Speaker 1: cover back in here too. Um And oh jeez, there 1634 01:37:57,560 --> 01:38:02,519 Speaker 1: happens to be absolute killer stand side in here. Wow. 1635 01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:05,840 Speaker 1: I can't get I can't get here safe. I can't. 1636 01:38:05,960 --> 01:38:08,439 Speaker 1: But oh jeezus, is good. You know what, I'm setting 1637 01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:11,200 Speaker 1: up the stand. I'm gonna go ahead, and I'm gonna 1638 01:38:11,240 --> 01:38:13,960 Speaker 1: set it up. And what I'm gonna do is I'm 1639 01:38:13,960 --> 01:38:17,280 Speaker 1: gonna hope, like a son of a gun that I 1640 01:38:17,439 --> 01:38:20,559 Speaker 1: never have to hunt it. But you know what, if 1641 01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:24,880 Speaker 1: it gets into Bow mid November and that buck that 1642 01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:28,240 Speaker 1: I'm getting trail camera picture of after trail camera picture 1643 01:38:28,280 --> 01:38:30,880 Speaker 1: of all in the middle of the night, in the dark, 1644 01:38:31,240 --> 01:38:36,200 Speaker 1: if I believe that he's actually bedding back in that sanctuary, okay, 1645 01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:39,639 Speaker 1: it happens to be a great dear weather movement day 1646 01:38:40,400 --> 01:38:42,680 Speaker 1: happens to be a great day for dear movement. As 1647 01:38:42,720 --> 01:38:45,160 Speaker 1: far as the phase of season goals, you're talking during 1648 01:38:45,200 --> 01:38:47,479 Speaker 1: the rot here. You know what, I'm gonna go in 1649 01:38:47,800 --> 01:38:50,960 Speaker 1: extra early. I'm gonna sit in that sanctuary all darn 1650 01:38:51,080 --> 01:38:54,880 Speaker 1: day or until I killed that thing. The catches is 1651 01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:57,240 Speaker 1: that at max. I'm gonna do that to three times 1652 01:38:57,280 --> 01:38:59,640 Speaker 1: a year. Okay. So what I'm trying to do is 1653 01:38:59,640 --> 01:39:03,240 Speaker 1: I'm trying going to first establish what I'm actually talking about. 1654 01:39:03,479 --> 01:39:06,439 Speaker 1: By sanctuary, it doesn't mean that I never go in here. 1655 01:39:07,080 --> 01:39:10,000 Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that I never hunted. It means that 1656 01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:13,479 Speaker 1: I try my best not to, and I'm only going 1657 01:39:13,560 --> 01:39:17,000 Speaker 1: in there when it serves a purpose, you know, to 1658 01:39:17,120 --> 01:39:20,400 Speaker 1: do the scouting and work in spring and then come 1659 01:39:20,479 --> 01:39:23,120 Speaker 1: fall because I just can't get it done from the outside, 1660 01:39:23,439 --> 01:39:25,439 Speaker 1: and I really want to take this buck, so I'm 1661 01:39:25,439 --> 01:39:30,040 Speaker 1: going to take one or two swings at. I treat 1662 01:39:30,479 --> 01:39:35,240 Speaker 1: the majority of just about every property as my definition 1663 01:39:35,320 --> 01:39:40,400 Speaker 1: of sanctuary. Um I would say that of the deer 1664 01:39:40,479 --> 01:39:43,960 Speaker 1: cover on the properties I have set up over the years, 1665 01:39:45,120 --> 01:39:48,640 Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever suggested anybody hunt more than 1666 01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:53,720 Speaker 1: their deer cover. Now what I'm trying, And that's the beautiful, 1667 01:39:54,240 --> 01:39:59,800 Speaker 1: beautiful part about habitat improvement is we can manufacture the 1668 01:40:00,280 --> 01:40:05,040 Speaker 1: high odds low impact gear stands simply by getting in 1669 01:40:05,120 --> 01:40:09,120 Speaker 1: there with a chainsaw and or dozer. Now you do that, 1670 01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:11,560 Speaker 1: and now why do I Why do I want to 1671 01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:15,479 Speaker 1: hunt deeper in there? I got the fame advantage by 1672 01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:19,280 Speaker 1: going ten twenty fifty yards into the woods. There's no 1673 01:40:19,680 --> 01:40:23,320 Speaker 1: there's no incentive to go in there deeper still because 1674 01:40:23,439 --> 01:40:27,479 Speaker 1: the best spots I got I made around the around 1675 01:40:27,680 --> 01:40:31,960 Speaker 1: lower impact areas. Okay, But yet if I still can't 1676 01:40:32,280 --> 01:40:35,280 Speaker 1: get it done. I'm getting pictures of him. He's coming 1677 01:40:35,400 --> 01:40:39,920 Speaker 1: from the sanctuary each night or a couple of times 1678 01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:43,640 Speaker 1: a week, our two hours after dark. That's telling me 1679 01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:46,920 Speaker 1: that he actually is betting in that sanctuary. He's living there. 1680 01:40:47,280 --> 01:40:50,120 Speaker 1: But man, he's not coming out, and he's not coming out. 1681 01:40:50,200 --> 01:40:53,479 Speaker 1: He's not coming out, he's not. Eventually, i'm gonna say 1682 01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:56,960 Speaker 1: forget it. I'm going in there after him if I 1683 01:40:57,080 --> 01:40:59,840 Speaker 1: can't get it done from the outside. The way I 1684 01:41:00,080 --> 01:41:04,160 Speaker 1: define sanctuary simply put the areas that I cannot get 1685 01:41:04,240 --> 01:41:08,880 Speaker 1: too safely on that ground, the deer cover areas. If 1686 01:41:08,960 --> 01:41:11,920 Speaker 1: I can't get there, if I can't consistently get in 1687 01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:15,280 Speaker 1: and out of that area without disturbing deer, I'm going 1688 01:41:15,320 --> 01:41:19,759 Speaker 1: to make it a sanctuary because by because by hunting 1689 01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:23,960 Speaker 1: that area, it's actually working against my goal of getting 1690 01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:28,720 Speaker 1: deer to spend a disproportionate amount of time on this ground. Now, 1691 01:41:29,120 --> 01:41:32,479 Speaker 1: if you're talking a situation more along lines of years 1692 01:41:33,280 --> 01:41:37,920 Speaker 1: where you're going ahead and creating a you're not you're 1693 01:41:38,800 --> 01:41:42,720 Speaker 1: better suited for creating a buck trap than you are 1694 01:41:42,840 --> 01:41:47,519 Speaker 1: forgetting bucks to live on this ground. In that's its scenario, 1695 01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:52,280 Speaker 1: I'm still going to have sanctuaries. I may have sanctuaries 1696 01:41:52,320 --> 01:41:54,479 Speaker 1: and the dolls stay there because the dolls are my 1697 01:41:54,640 --> 01:42:01,920 Speaker 1: baked um. But in that case I can actually hunt 1698 01:42:02,520 --> 01:42:07,120 Speaker 1: very much, a very higher percent of my dirt without 1699 01:42:07,320 --> 01:42:11,720 Speaker 1: negatively impacting me because I don't have Mr Bigley living there. 1700 01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:14,200 Speaker 1: All I've got to do is make sure that I 1701 01:42:14,360 --> 01:42:17,439 Speaker 1: keep those one or two family groups of dose happy. 1702 01:42:18,120 --> 01:42:21,920 Speaker 1: So in that case, I will actually design my sanctuary 1703 01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:27,320 Speaker 1: more far more around them than anything else. But as 1704 01:42:27,400 --> 01:42:30,800 Speaker 1: you can see from all this, again there's no clear 1705 01:42:30,840 --> 01:42:38,320 Speaker 1: cut answer. It's it's remaining rigidly flexible and just using 1706 01:42:38,400 --> 01:42:41,760 Speaker 1: that one part art, one part science what am I 1707 01:42:41,920 --> 01:42:45,240 Speaker 1: trying to achieve, and then using the power that we 1708 01:42:45,439 --> 01:42:49,719 Speaker 1: have that dear don't analytical fount this is my goal. 1709 01:42:50,160 --> 01:42:53,280 Speaker 1: I'm now going to rely on my own, my own 1710 01:42:53,439 --> 01:42:56,360 Speaker 1: knowledge and creativity to figure out how I can best 1711 01:42:56,600 --> 01:43:02,400 Speaker 1: achieve this. Because if you pick up a book, or 1712 01:43:02,560 --> 01:43:05,680 Speaker 1: you watch a television show or a web video or 1713 01:43:05,800 --> 01:43:10,519 Speaker 1: whatever that is telling you giving you specifics on this 1714 01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:14,400 Speaker 1: is what you need to do to manage your ground. 1715 01:43:14,479 --> 01:43:16,720 Speaker 1: Don't pay a lack of attention to this person either 1716 01:43:16,760 --> 01:43:18,479 Speaker 1: doesn't know what they're talking about. And they're trying to 1717 01:43:18,560 --> 01:43:24,280 Speaker 1: sell you something, because every single situation is different, and 1718 01:43:24,360 --> 01:43:28,759 Speaker 1: if you try to lock yourself into that cookie cutter approach, 1719 01:43:29,800 --> 01:43:32,920 Speaker 1: it might. You may improve things on your property, but 1720 01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:35,559 Speaker 1: I promise you you're not going to come anywhere close 1721 01:43:35,640 --> 01:43:40,880 Speaker 1: to improving them as much as you potentially could. We haven't. 1722 01:43:40,960 --> 01:43:46,679 Speaker 1: We haven't talked very much about betting area improvement, probably 1723 01:43:46,680 --> 01:43:49,760 Speaker 1: because our original example. You know, I already had lots 1724 01:43:49,800 --> 01:43:51,479 Speaker 1: of a lot of great cover on on our small 1725 01:43:51,560 --> 01:43:53,920 Speaker 1: property here. But if you have a sanctuary area, if 1726 01:43:53,960 --> 01:43:56,320 Speaker 1: you have some percentage of your property that's hard to hunt. 1727 01:43:56,800 --> 01:43:59,040 Speaker 1: You know that there's dear betted in there um, but 1728 01:43:59,200 --> 01:44:01,479 Speaker 1: you want to either banned the amount of quality betting 1729 01:44:01,720 --> 01:44:04,120 Speaker 1: or you just want to improve whatever is in there 1730 01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:07,080 Speaker 1: um other than the things we've talked about already, Is 1731 01:44:07,080 --> 01:44:10,000 Speaker 1: there anything important on the betting area side of things 1732 01:44:10,040 --> 01:44:11,759 Speaker 1: that you want to touch on or that you uniquely 1733 01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:16,160 Speaker 1: recommend um? And really, more than anything, I think the 1734 01:44:16,240 --> 01:44:19,760 Speaker 1: most important thing I can possibly say is, right now, 1735 01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:24,240 Speaker 1: there's this Oh heck, it's been around for fifteen years, 1736 01:44:24,680 --> 01:44:30,920 Speaker 1: but lately it's become with key person or too real 1737 01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:37,000 Speaker 1: popular to talk about dough factories Oh my goodness, if 1738 01:44:37,080 --> 01:44:39,960 Speaker 1: you put out any food over summer, what you're gonna 1739 01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:42,600 Speaker 1: do is you're going to create a dough factory, and 1740 01:44:42,760 --> 01:44:45,240 Speaker 1: those doughs are going to drive all the bucks away. 1741 01:44:45,280 --> 01:44:48,960 Speaker 1: And you just plane cannot go ahead and improve your 1742 01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:54,120 Speaker 1: ground for anything but deer season without creating this dreaded 1743 01:44:54,200 --> 01:44:58,960 Speaker 1: dope factory that drives all these dear let's pure ignorant ds. 1744 01:45:00,200 --> 01:45:04,720 Speaker 1: I'm telling you property I've I've managed somewhere over I've 1745 01:45:05,400 --> 01:45:08,160 Speaker 1: honestly can't give you an honest answer, but somewhere over 1746 01:45:08,320 --> 01:45:16,240 Speaker 1: thirty different properties from multi year spans um almost almost 1747 01:45:16,360 --> 01:45:19,760 Speaker 1: without exception. There was one, but there was an that 1748 01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:23,639 Speaker 1: ball deal, and uh but almost without with the exception 1749 01:45:23,680 --> 01:45:27,439 Speaker 1: of one property, I can think of, every single one 1750 01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:31,680 Speaker 1: of those properties ended up holding more dear than the 1751 01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:35,200 Speaker 1: surrounding ground. They all had more doughs living on them 1752 01:45:35,280 --> 01:45:37,800 Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty five days a year per acre 1753 01:45:38,160 --> 01:45:41,479 Speaker 1: than the surrounding properties. And you know what else, they'll 1754 01:45:41,560 --> 01:45:45,759 Speaker 1: add more mature bucks living on them per square acre 1755 01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:50,720 Speaker 1: the entire year long. It's not that there's nothing to 1756 01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:55,000 Speaker 1: this bologny about how and they offered ridiculous amount ofs 1757 01:45:55,080 --> 01:46:00,040 Speaker 1: of nutrition there is nothing legitimate about this idea. It 1758 01:46:00,120 --> 01:46:05,200 Speaker 1: if you offer offer nutrition outside of hunting season that 1759 01:46:05,560 --> 01:46:09,479 Speaker 1: you cannot hold mature box. What it all comes down 1760 01:46:09,560 --> 01:46:15,320 Speaker 1: to is property layout. If you improve every inch of 1761 01:46:15,560 --> 01:46:20,040 Speaker 1: your ground, you are not doing yourself any favors. You 1762 01:46:20,320 --> 01:46:24,120 Speaker 1: want dead zones in your property if you don't. Right 1763 01:46:24,200 --> 01:46:26,240 Speaker 1: off the bat, if you don't have dead zones in 1764 01:46:26,280 --> 01:46:29,519 Speaker 1: your property, how are you going to access it? Because 1765 01:46:29,600 --> 01:46:32,880 Speaker 1: every that means that you've improved every inch. That means 1766 01:46:33,000 --> 01:46:37,240 Speaker 1: there's deer every inch of your ground at times. Now, 1767 01:46:37,520 --> 01:46:39,840 Speaker 1: I don't want that. I want areas that the deer 1768 01:46:39,920 --> 01:46:43,040 Speaker 1: don't want to go, because That's how I'm getting in 1769 01:46:43,160 --> 01:46:50,240 Speaker 1: and out. Okay, um, next, by improving every inch of 1770 01:46:50,320 --> 01:46:52,960 Speaker 1: your ground, what you're doing is you're spreading the dose 1771 01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:56,000 Speaker 1: out and goes back to goes back to the bedding. 1772 01:46:56,080 --> 01:46:59,040 Speaker 1: And That's where I'm getting into all this stuff. Um. 1773 01:46:59,439 --> 01:47:05,040 Speaker 1: Bucks are way more selective when it comes well. Bucks 1774 01:47:05,080 --> 01:47:10,679 Speaker 1: place a much much, much much higher premium on personal 1775 01:47:10,880 --> 01:47:16,519 Speaker 1: safety than family groups do. Therefore, where where when are 1776 01:47:16,600 --> 01:47:20,000 Speaker 1: they most vulnerable? They're most vulnerable when they're betting. So 1777 01:47:20,600 --> 01:47:25,880 Speaker 1: Mr Big has the extremely high tendency of putting so 1778 01:47:26,200 --> 01:47:31,000 Speaker 1: much more importance on betting safety than the family groups 1779 01:47:31,080 --> 01:47:34,960 Speaker 1: do family groups in general. You know what, just just 1780 01:47:36,040 --> 01:47:38,479 Speaker 1: give me a place that I can lay down that 1781 01:47:38,640 --> 01:47:42,200 Speaker 1: I feel somewhat safe, that's close to food, because I'm lazy. 1782 01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:50,040 Speaker 1: So would I typically do is I try to stack 1783 01:47:50,520 --> 01:47:53,880 Speaker 1: the dough bedding around the food, and I tried to 1784 01:47:54,120 --> 01:48:00,160 Speaker 1: put that food away from known buck betting areas. I 1785 01:48:00,240 --> 01:48:03,439 Speaker 1: want to leave those buckbedding areas alone because what is 1786 01:48:03,560 --> 01:48:08,439 Speaker 1: true is from what I've seen, it does seem like 1787 01:48:08,680 --> 01:48:11,559 Speaker 1: Mr Big doesn't really care for a bunch of women 1788 01:48:11,640 --> 01:48:13,920 Speaker 1: and kids running through his bedroom all the time. He 1789 01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:17,519 Speaker 1: wants a mancave. He wants an area that he can 1790 01:48:17,640 --> 01:48:21,400 Speaker 1: pretty much just be left the heck alone and feel safe. 1791 01:48:21,439 --> 01:48:25,040 Speaker 1: At the same time, I suspect, I can't swear this, 1792 01:48:25,200 --> 01:48:27,840 Speaker 1: but I suspect that the reason that he doesn't want 1793 01:48:27,880 --> 01:48:31,600 Speaker 1: the does and fawns around is because they're making disturbances. 1794 01:48:31,640 --> 01:48:34,160 Speaker 1: And now I gotta keep word. What's that twig snapping there? 1795 01:48:34,240 --> 01:48:36,720 Speaker 1: Oh Jesus, just a kid again. God damn, I'm trying 1796 01:48:36,760 --> 01:48:41,479 Speaker 1: to sleep. Um, So go ahead and stack the doughs 1797 01:48:41,680 --> 01:48:44,280 Speaker 1: around the food. You can do that by plant heck, 1798 01:48:44,360 --> 01:48:48,439 Speaker 1: you can do it. By planting trees that UM Norway 1799 01:48:48,520 --> 01:48:52,080 Speaker 1: spruce example, I just gave earlier for something else UM 1800 01:48:52,240 --> 01:48:55,320 Speaker 1: to give that security cover and thermal cover. You can 1801 01:48:55,360 --> 01:49:00,439 Speaker 1: do it with by hinge cutting quarter acre or half 1802 01:49:00,520 --> 01:49:05,840 Speaker 1: acre area acre area UM that's relatively flat where the 1803 01:49:05,920 --> 01:49:10,599 Speaker 1: deer would feel otherwise comfortable bedding UM. In other words, 1804 01:49:10,680 --> 01:49:14,240 Speaker 1: you're not walking by it, you know, within within fifty 1805 01:49:14,320 --> 01:49:18,120 Speaker 1: yards every other day, kicking them out uh stack. You 1806 01:49:18,200 --> 01:49:20,920 Speaker 1: can do it with warm season native grasses as well. 1807 01:49:21,479 --> 01:49:26,080 Speaker 1: There's company out of Michigan's who I get it from Mscanthus. 1808 01:49:26,920 --> 01:49:36,000 Speaker 1: It's a oriental it's a perennial sterile oriental grass. You 1809 01:49:36,120 --> 01:49:39,840 Speaker 1: go ahead and you plant switch grass or big blue 1810 01:49:39,960 --> 01:49:42,360 Speaker 1: or indian up by you, and guess what's going to 1811 01:49:42,479 --> 01:49:46,560 Speaker 1: happen the first or second first or second storm that 1812 01:49:46,680 --> 01:49:50,000 Speaker 1: goes through snow storm that's sofs gonna be lay flat. 1813 01:49:51,000 --> 01:49:54,479 Speaker 1: But you go ahead and use that mascanthus and that 1814 01:49:54,600 --> 01:49:58,040 Speaker 1: although that's pushing, that's actually pushing the growth. Its oone 1815 01:49:58,680 --> 01:50:00,639 Speaker 1: pushing it. But you might be able to get away 1816 01:50:00,680 --> 01:50:03,360 Speaker 1: with it yet. UM. You plant Muscantus there, that stuff 1817 01:50:03,400 --> 01:50:07,080 Speaker 1: is gonna stand up far better. Works great for screening 1818 01:50:07,120 --> 01:50:13,760 Speaker 1: as well, um, but but between native grasses or a muscantus, 1819 01:50:14,040 --> 01:50:18,200 Speaker 1: or planting trees or creating hinge cut bedding areas, I'm 1820 01:50:18,200 --> 01:50:20,360 Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and try to stack the doughs around 1821 01:50:20,400 --> 01:50:23,200 Speaker 1: the food. That's where they want to be anyway. You know, 1822 01:50:23,560 --> 01:50:25,800 Speaker 1: they want to be as close to their food source 1823 01:50:25,880 --> 01:50:30,479 Speaker 1: as they can be while still feeling safe. There's all 1824 01:50:30,680 --> 01:50:33,160 Speaker 1: sorts of talk about creating buck beds. You can go 1825 01:50:33,320 --> 01:50:38,679 Speaker 1: on YouTube right now and see some exceptionally good videos 1826 01:50:38,880 --> 01:50:42,519 Speaker 1: on creating buck beds, and that's good and great and 1827 01:50:42,640 --> 01:50:46,559 Speaker 1: sexy as hell. But I can tell you I virtually 1828 01:50:47,080 --> 01:50:52,920 Speaker 1: that I virtually never make them for management stamp. I'll 1829 01:50:53,080 --> 01:50:57,840 Speaker 1: make twenty thirty a year, but really, honestly, that's for 1830 01:50:57,920 --> 01:51:01,679 Speaker 1: my own sake, trying to learn what am I missing here? 1831 01:51:01,800 --> 01:51:04,559 Speaker 1: Can I get this work? Because my experience has been 1832 01:51:06,080 --> 01:51:12,479 Speaker 1: I have unbelievable look making a many little igloo with 1833 01:51:12,560 --> 01:51:16,519 Speaker 1: an entrance and an exit at locations that bucks want 1834 01:51:16,600 --> 01:51:22,559 Speaker 1: to bed. But man, I make them other places where 1835 01:51:22,600 --> 01:51:24,960 Speaker 1: they don't want to bet and I maybe get five 1836 01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:28,559 Speaker 1: percent success, and I'm probably exaggerating at that. I think. 1837 01:51:28,640 --> 01:51:30,640 Speaker 1: I think the idea of creating buck beds is the 1838 01:51:30,720 --> 01:51:40,040 Speaker 1: most over aspect of all of management. As I said, 1839 01:51:40,439 --> 01:51:43,800 Speaker 1: they work awesome when I make them in spots bucks 1840 01:51:43,840 --> 01:51:46,880 Speaker 1: already want to bed. But guess what, they already want 1841 01:51:46,920 --> 01:51:49,920 Speaker 1: to bed there, and they're already bed there. So what 1842 01:51:50,040 --> 01:51:53,760 Speaker 1: did I just accomplish? I'm maybe they bet they're a 1843 01:51:53,840 --> 01:51:57,120 Speaker 1: little bit more afterwards. But I'll tell you what, I've 1844 01:51:57,280 --> 01:51:59,760 Speaker 1: yet to have yet to get to a property where 1845 01:51:59,840 --> 01:52:03,680 Speaker 1: that becomes a top priority because there's so many other 1846 01:52:03,840 --> 01:52:08,360 Speaker 1: things that are so much more important. Now where this 1847 01:52:08,680 --> 01:52:13,960 Speaker 1: will work, and when I do go ahead and suggest 1848 01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:17,120 Speaker 1: this from a management standpoint, is one of those areas 1849 01:52:17,200 --> 01:52:20,479 Speaker 1: where the bucks would otherwise like to bed, there's something 1850 01:52:20,560 --> 01:52:25,200 Speaker 1: wrong with them. For example, during summer, dear love betting 1851 01:52:25,280 --> 01:52:28,759 Speaker 1: on overgrown fence lines. You know, bucks to bachelor groups 1852 01:52:29,120 --> 01:52:31,040 Speaker 1: frankly because they're out of the woods and they don't 1853 01:52:31,080 --> 01:52:32,960 Speaker 1: have to deal with as many bugs, and well the 1854 01:52:33,000 --> 01:52:36,000 Speaker 1: foods right there, all that good stuff. If that you 1855 01:52:36,120 --> 01:52:38,439 Speaker 1: go ahead and create some pockets that deer can crawl 1856 01:52:38,520 --> 01:52:41,400 Speaker 1: into in that overgrown fence line, Now all of a sudden, 1857 01:52:41,439 --> 01:52:46,519 Speaker 1: they'll they'll use it, whereas if it was so thick 1858 01:52:46,560 --> 01:52:49,479 Speaker 1: they couldn't snuggle in there, as as they weren't before 1859 01:52:50,040 --> 01:52:53,560 Speaker 1: you take that point that bucks have been bedding on 1860 01:52:53,720 --> 01:52:56,480 Speaker 1: for years and years and years, you have a tornado, 1861 01:52:56,640 --> 01:53:00,720 Speaker 1: go through, dump a whole bunch of big oaks on 1862 01:53:00,800 --> 01:53:04,280 Speaker 1: that point to the point to the extent that they 1863 01:53:04,360 --> 01:53:07,479 Speaker 1: can't bed there anymore. Now going in there and cleaning 1864 01:53:07,560 --> 01:53:09,920 Speaker 1: that up so they can still bed in there. Oh heck, yes, 1865 01:53:10,080 --> 01:53:16,920 Speaker 1: that's extremely beneficial. But the dirty, the dirty little secret, 1866 01:53:16,960 --> 01:53:20,560 Speaker 1: at least for me, is I don't make buck I 1867 01:53:20,680 --> 01:53:23,639 Speaker 1: hardly make buck beds for management at all. I focus 1868 01:53:23,720 --> 01:53:27,120 Speaker 1: on dolls. And the reason I'm focusing on dolls is 1869 01:53:27,200 --> 01:53:31,360 Speaker 1: to keep them away from those existing buck bedding areas. 1870 01:53:32,520 --> 01:53:35,160 Speaker 1: I do that, and that works pretty darn well. That 1871 01:53:35,880 --> 01:53:40,960 Speaker 1: makes sense. Now, speaking of our mature bucks, and one 1872 01:53:41,000 --> 01:53:43,360 Speaker 1: of the goals that many people might have is how 1873 01:53:43,479 --> 01:53:46,400 Speaker 1: to get more mature bucks to use your property. Um, 1874 01:53:46,720 --> 01:53:50,000 Speaker 1: I've I've I've read about something you call a checkerboard 1875 01:53:50,040 --> 01:53:52,920 Speaker 1: approach to how you take all these habitat things we've 1876 01:53:52,960 --> 01:53:55,559 Speaker 1: been talking about, and then you use a checkerboard approach 1877 01:53:55,640 --> 01:53:58,519 Speaker 1: to try to make it a little bit more feasible 1878 01:53:58,600 --> 01:54:01,640 Speaker 1: for multiple mature bucks to set up shop. Can you 1879 01:54:01,960 --> 01:54:06,799 Speaker 1: describe that? Sure? Can? Um? And what it is is again, 1880 01:54:07,040 --> 01:54:09,920 Speaker 1: it all goes back to, really, if you think about it, 1881 01:54:10,479 --> 01:54:13,600 Speaker 1: everything we're talking about goes back to one of the 1882 01:54:13,680 --> 01:54:17,200 Speaker 1: first things I said, and that's about goals. If your 1883 01:54:17,240 --> 01:54:22,800 Speaker 1: goal is too for example, you just want someplace for 1884 01:54:22,960 --> 01:54:25,320 Speaker 1: your grandkids to be able to come out and have 1885 01:54:25,520 --> 01:54:29,360 Speaker 1: fun and do some hunt, you know you're probably better 1886 01:54:29,479 --> 01:54:33,560 Speaker 1: off setting up that forty. So you have one may, 1887 01:54:33,880 --> 01:54:36,200 Speaker 1: you have one grandson who wants to do the set 1888 01:54:36,280 --> 01:54:41,520 Speaker 1: up one main food source, because now you're concentrating as 1889 01:54:41,560 --> 01:54:44,600 Speaker 1: many deer on that one main food sources you can. 1890 01:54:45,240 --> 01:54:48,240 Speaker 1: Odds are pretty darn good that every single time that 1891 01:54:48,400 --> 01:54:51,160 Speaker 1: old fellow goes out, he's gonna see deer and he's 1892 01:54:51,160 --> 01:54:53,760 Speaker 1: gonna come back shaken, and he's gonna come back all 1893 01:54:54,040 --> 01:55:01,520 Speaker 1: starts to happy. As you divide up these food sources 1894 01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:06,320 Speaker 1: and bedding areas and such, you're spreading der outmore. You're 1895 01:55:06,400 --> 01:55:11,760 Speaker 1: deluding the concentration effect, making it making it harder to hunt. 1896 01:55:12,520 --> 01:55:14,880 Speaker 1: So you want to you want to figure out where 1897 01:55:15,560 --> 01:55:19,680 Speaker 1: your goal falls on the sliding scale. If you're looking 1898 01:55:19,760 --> 01:55:23,280 Speaker 1: at trying to hold the maximum number of mature bucks 1899 01:55:23,440 --> 01:55:28,160 Speaker 1: on that ground, having one food source, one primary food source, 1900 01:55:28,560 --> 01:55:32,280 Speaker 1: one primary betting source, one primary water source is not 1901 01:55:32,480 --> 01:55:37,240 Speaker 1: your best choice because during most of the fall, at 1902 01:55:37,320 --> 01:55:39,320 Speaker 1: this point, you got the ruck going on. Now the 1903 01:55:39,480 --> 01:55:44,200 Speaker 1: bachelor groups have broken up and you're looking at competition 1904 01:55:44,560 --> 01:55:50,040 Speaker 1: instead of a group of happy, go lucky idiots like 1905 01:55:50,200 --> 01:55:55,560 Speaker 1: they were all summer long. When that domin and I 1906 01:55:55,720 --> 01:55:58,280 Speaker 1: probably should back up just one second here and talk 1907 01:55:58,320 --> 01:56:02,160 Speaker 1: about dominance just for flit second. And that is because 1908 01:56:03,080 --> 01:56:05,880 Speaker 1: everybody thinks of the biggest buck in the woods, is 1909 01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:09,640 Speaker 1: your dominant buck. Not necessarily, it's a matter of fact, 1910 01:56:09,800 --> 01:56:14,200 Speaker 1: very often not especially when you're looking at rack. It 1911 01:56:14,400 --> 01:56:18,560 Speaker 1: takes a lot of energy to produce on top of 1912 01:56:18,600 --> 01:56:23,440 Speaker 1: the head. Generally speaking, those bucks that don't have a 1913 01:56:23,640 --> 01:56:26,200 Speaker 1: ridiculous amount of bone on top of their head, they're 1914 01:56:26,240 --> 01:56:29,560 Speaker 1: putting that energy everything else being equal, they're putting that 1915 01:56:29,800 --> 01:56:35,680 Speaker 1: energy into their bodies instead. Body and attitude is what 1916 01:56:35,880 --> 01:56:41,080 Speaker 1: dominance is. Where dominance comes from, not rack size. Rack 1917 01:56:41,200 --> 01:56:43,760 Speaker 1: size has nothing to do with it at all. It 1918 01:56:43,920 --> 01:56:47,160 Speaker 1: has to do with so much to do with attitude. 1919 01:56:47,440 --> 01:56:50,440 Speaker 1: And then next, can you back it up and your 1920 01:56:51,360 --> 01:56:55,280 Speaker 1: your rack? You're probably I rack is nothing more than 1921 01:56:55,840 --> 01:56:59,000 Speaker 1: nothing more than essentially a blunt instrument that you're pushing 1922 01:56:59,040 --> 01:57:06,000 Speaker 1: against um, so very often you're more your most dominant 1923 01:57:06,040 --> 01:57:11,360 Speaker 1: bucks are not your biggest rack box. Very very often. UM, 1924 01:57:12,560 --> 01:57:16,520 Speaker 1: Now you have that one food source on that property, 1925 01:57:17,480 --> 01:57:21,440 Speaker 1: and here you got the dominant buck and this gorgeous 1926 01:57:21,560 --> 01:57:28,320 Speaker 1: buck that subordinate that you just happens to have an 1927 01:57:28,360 --> 01:57:32,360 Speaker 1: extra twenty inches on his head. When they end up 1928 01:57:32,400 --> 01:57:35,120 Speaker 1: getting in a fight at that food source and the 1929 01:57:35,280 --> 01:57:38,760 Speaker 1: dominant one chases them off, I really want to have 1930 01:57:38,880 --> 01:57:41,960 Speaker 1: a secondary food source on my ground where that bucking 1931 01:57:42,000 --> 01:57:46,160 Speaker 1: shift too. Yes, having the two food sword, taking your 1932 01:57:46,200 --> 01:57:49,680 Speaker 1: forty and dividing it up, looking at it as two 1933 01:57:49,800 --> 01:57:53,800 Speaker 1: twenties instead of one forty, and going ahead and offering 1934 01:57:53,920 --> 01:57:57,000 Speaker 1: the bedding, the water, the food over here and one 1935 01:57:57,080 --> 01:57:59,440 Speaker 1: of them and the bedding and water and food over 1936 01:57:59,560 --> 01:58:02,640 Speaker 1: here on another one. That does go ahead and make 1937 01:58:02,680 --> 01:58:05,880 Speaker 1: it more challenging for hunting because now you have two 1938 01:58:05,960 --> 01:58:10,440 Speaker 1: options instead of one. But it gives you the potential 1939 01:58:10,680 --> 01:58:16,120 Speaker 1: of holding having more mature bucks set up their dairylight 1940 01:58:16,200 --> 01:58:19,800 Speaker 1: core areas on your ground than when you have just one. 1941 01:58:20,440 --> 01:58:25,520 Speaker 1: Because on any single property anywhere out there in the 1942 01:58:25,640 --> 01:58:30,280 Speaker 1: deer country, there is one buck at a time on 1943 01:58:30,440 --> 01:58:34,680 Speaker 1: that ground that's dominant, and if there's two of them 1944 01:58:34,760 --> 01:58:37,200 Speaker 1: that think they are, those two are going to more 1945 01:58:37,320 --> 01:58:41,120 Speaker 1: than not fight it out until one of them leaves 1946 01:58:41,240 --> 01:58:47,480 Speaker 1: or dies. Now So, rather than offering everything in one location, 1947 01:58:48,040 --> 01:58:53,280 Speaker 1: splitting up a property and offering everything in multiple locations 1948 01:58:53,480 --> 01:58:57,280 Speaker 1: helps reduce social stress. And if we are going to 1949 01:58:57,400 --> 01:59:00,240 Speaker 1: talk about deer management, which is real hard to do 1950 01:59:00,320 --> 01:59:03,800 Speaker 1: on a private land scale. Um, when when I talk 1951 01:59:03,920 --> 01:59:07,440 Speaker 1: deer management, I'm not talking anywhere near the management that 1952 01:59:07,560 --> 01:59:11,960 Speaker 1: most people are assuming, because you know what, you got 1953 01:59:12,080 --> 01:59:14,840 Speaker 1: forty acres of ground. There's only so darn much you 1954 01:59:14,920 --> 01:59:21,320 Speaker 1: can do. But if you're talking management, a huge part 1955 01:59:21,400 --> 01:59:24,840 Speaker 1: of that is social stress, as a matter of fact, 1956 01:59:25,040 --> 01:59:29,200 Speaker 1: is probably the most ignored topic in in deer management 1957 01:59:29,920 --> 01:59:37,360 Speaker 1: and most horribly misunderstood. Social stress is think back to 1958 01:59:37,600 --> 01:59:42,560 Speaker 1: when we were back in high school, grade school, middle school. 1959 01:59:42,760 --> 01:59:45,800 Speaker 1: Sometime virtually every one of us got ticked on at 1960 01:59:45,840 --> 01:59:48,800 Speaker 1: one point in their life. How bad did you want 1961 01:59:48,840 --> 01:59:53,480 Speaker 1: to walk down those halls? Now you I can't speak 1962 01:59:53,520 --> 01:59:56,480 Speaker 1: for anybody else, but I had a when I was 1963 01:59:56,560 --> 02:00:01,240 Speaker 1: a kid. Um, yeah, I shouldn't go into because it 1964 02:00:01,320 --> 02:00:06,120 Speaker 1: makes me sound really the My brother got in a 1965 02:00:06,280 --> 02:00:08,600 Speaker 1: my younger brother got in a fight with the kid 1966 02:00:08,800 --> 02:00:12,040 Speaker 1: who was in special education, who was two years older 1967 02:00:12,080 --> 02:00:14,640 Speaker 1: than me and three years older than him. I made 1968 02:00:14,680 --> 02:00:17,000 Speaker 1: the mistake of trying to defend my brother. And I'll 1969 02:00:17,040 --> 02:00:21,480 Speaker 1: tell you what, You've got an entire class of kids, 1970 02:00:21,560 --> 02:00:24,480 Speaker 1: they're older than you, that want to beat up I 1971 02:00:24,840 --> 02:00:29,480 Speaker 1: was not real comfortable going to school during that. It's 1972 02:00:29,520 --> 02:00:31,920 Speaker 1: the same type of stuff, for dear, look at all 1973 02:00:31,960 --> 02:00:35,280 Speaker 1: the studies out there on health impacts of stress and 1974 02:00:35,400 --> 02:00:37,760 Speaker 1: how they in humans, and how it leads to so 1975 02:00:37,880 --> 02:00:41,200 Speaker 1: many such an elevated risk of heart attack and stroke 1976 02:00:41,360 --> 02:00:44,840 Speaker 1: and all this stuff. I I firmly believe the exact 1977 02:00:44,920 --> 02:00:48,000 Speaker 1: same thing goes on in the dear world. Firmly believe it. 1978 02:00:48,440 --> 02:00:51,080 Speaker 1: That stress. You can see it play out so often 1979 02:00:51,200 --> 02:00:54,240 Speaker 1: when you kill that dominant buck on the ground, that 1980 02:00:54,400 --> 02:00:57,920 Speaker 1: subordinate buck that was making very good jumps from year 1981 02:00:57,960 --> 02:01:01,240 Speaker 1: to year. That next year, look out, buddy, because nine 1982 02:01:01,280 --> 02:01:04,040 Speaker 1: times and he puts inches on his head that he's 1983 02:01:04,120 --> 02:01:09,480 Speaker 1: never put on before now, all due to stress. You 1984 02:01:09,640 --> 02:01:13,440 Speaker 1: go ahead, you divide these grounds up. You reduce the 1985 02:01:13,600 --> 02:01:17,480 Speaker 1: stress of the family groups, you reduce the stress of 1986 02:01:17,680 --> 02:01:22,960 Speaker 1: the box, and generally speaking, you have happier, healthier dear 1987 02:01:22,960 --> 02:01:26,280 Speaker 1: as a resolved and by dividing it up, you help 1988 02:01:26,400 --> 02:01:29,800 Speaker 1: minimize that stress while making it so you can potentially 1989 02:01:29,920 --> 02:01:34,760 Speaker 1: hold more dear. That makes all the sense in the world. 1990 02:01:35,760 --> 02:01:40,240 Speaker 1: And Steve, you never you never failed to or you 1991 02:01:40,360 --> 02:01:42,360 Speaker 1: never what's the way how do you phrase this? You 1992 02:01:42,480 --> 02:01:44,760 Speaker 1: never disappoint is what I'm trying to say. I knew 1993 02:01:44,800 --> 02:01:48,400 Speaker 1: that we would, but I knew we would get a 1994 02:01:48,560 --> 02:01:53,160 Speaker 1: ton of interesting ideas and value from you. And the 1995 02:01:53,240 --> 02:01:55,120 Speaker 1: only thing I regret is that we didn't get to 1996 02:01:55,200 --> 02:01:58,400 Speaker 1: cover than many other things I was hoping to talk about. 1997 02:01:58,520 --> 02:02:00,800 Speaker 1: But but that's because we covered some any other great things. 1998 02:02:00,880 --> 02:02:04,680 Speaker 1: And I don't want to keep you any longer. We've 1999 02:02:04,720 --> 02:02:10,000 Speaker 1: been talking up. That's your best quality, Steve, is that 2000 02:02:10,040 --> 02:02:13,160 Speaker 1: you've got lots to share, UM, So I don't want 2001 02:02:13,160 --> 02:02:15,160 Speaker 1: to keep you any longer. I've kept it here for 2002 02:02:15,440 --> 02:02:18,320 Speaker 1: for quite a while already, but I appreciate it so much, Steve. 2003 02:02:18,440 --> 02:02:20,760 Speaker 1: And if people want to to learn more about what 2004 02:02:20,800 --> 02:02:22,840 Speaker 1: you have to say, and they want to either check 2005 02:02:22,880 --> 02:02:25,440 Speaker 1: out your books or your web shows or anything else 2006 02:02:25,480 --> 02:02:27,600 Speaker 1: out there, can you point us in what direction they 2007 02:02:27,640 --> 02:02:29,440 Speaker 1: can go to find all the other things that you're 2008 02:02:29,440 --> 02:02:34,200 Speaker 1: working on. UM, well, I've got two different web shows 2009 02:02:34,440 --> 02:02:37,960 Speaker 1: that I'm doing for Deer and Deer Hunting their web 2010 02:02:38,040 --> 02:02:41,480 Speaker 1: shows exclusively. One is Grown Big and the others Hunt 2011 02:02:41,520 --> 02:02:46,680 Speaker 1: them Big. Um. They're oh five to eight minute shows 2012 02:02:46,840 --> 02:02:51,080 Speaker 1: that just covered one, just drilled down on one tip. 2013 02:02:51,760 --> 02:02:56,080 Speaker 1: They are aired every Wednesday on Deer and Deer Huntings 2014 02:02:56,120 --> 02:03:01,400 Speaker 1: Facebook page. I also air them as well on and 2015 02:03:01,560 --> 02:03:05,600 Speaker 1: then Uh. Speaking of shows, uh, co host Deer and 2016 02:03:05,680 --> 02:03:09,400 Speaker 1: Deer Hunting TV. I'm pretty sure they're on Pursuit again 2017 02:03:09,520 --> 02:03:17,000 Speaker 1: this year. Um and uh otherwise I have I'm going 2018 02:03:17,040 --> 02:03:20,440 Speaker 1: to go ahead in this year. At some point I'm 2019 02:03:20,520 --> 02:03:23,520 Speaker 1: going to create my own website, which no doubt will 2020 02:03:23,520 --> 02:03:27,400 Speaker 1: be Steve Bartellow Outdoors and have all this stuff on there. 2021 02:03:27,720 --> 02:03:33,120 Speaker 1: But for now, um another Facebook page Steve bart Hello Outdoors. 2022 02:03:34,240 --> 02:03:39,320 Speaker 1: I post post five tip of day during the work 2023 02:03:39,360 --> 02:03:46,160 Speaker 1: week free, well yeah free. Actually, all my companies that 2024 02:03:46,200 --> 02:03:50,360 Speaker 1: I pro staff for, thank god for them. Um, they 2025 02:03:51,720 --> 02:03:56,280 Speaker 1: they're sponsoring them, but it's I love the company as 2026 02:03:56,320 --> 02:03:59,960 Speaker 1: I work with. None of them pressure me to say 2027 02:04:00,120 --> 02:04:04,360 Speaker 1: anything about any of their stuff. The Facebook junk really 2028 02:04:05,160 --> 02:04:09,760 Speaker 1: is me just sharing stuff and them being happy to 2029 02:04:09,800 --> 02:04:13,640 Speaker 1: be associated with it. Uh. So for now, i guess 2030 02:04:13,840 --> 02:04:19,120 Speaker 1: that's that's that's about it. Um Books. I no longer 2031 02:04:19,280 --> 02:04:23,360 Speaker 1: sell any of any of the books myself. Ah, you 2032 02:04:23,440 --> 02:04:28,120 Speaker 1: can always jump on Shop Deer Hunting. Deer and Deer 2033 02:04:28,240 --> 02:04:33,440 Speaker 1: Hunting's website sells two of them, including the management book, 2034 02:04:33,960 --> 02:04:39,560 Speaker 1: and then uh um you can get virtually anything off 2035 02:04:39,600 --> 02:04:42,640 Speaker 1: I Amazon by just doing a search on my name 2036 02:04:42,720 --> 02:04:47,240 Speaker 1: there if you're interested. But that said that Facebook page, 2037 02:04:47,320 --> 02:04:51,040 Speaker 1: I'm trying to share all this stuff for nothing. It's 2038 02:04:51,720 --> 02:04:55,360 Speaker 1: your audience, and I imagine at the state you're at 2039 02:04:55,520 --> 02:04:58,920 Speaker 1: your career, you'll be able to understand this and appreciate this. 2040 02:05:00,080 --> 02:05:05,000 Speaker 1: I really like my life, I really really do, and 2041 02:05:05,120 --> 02:05:12,760 Speaker 1: it is at least due to your audience. Now, they're 2042 02:05:12,840 --> 02:05:15,480 Speaker 1: the ones who allowed me to do this stuff, and 2043 02:05:16,000 --> 02:05:21,480 Speaker 1: I'm to the point where I'm dug in as deep 2044 02:05:21,520 --> 02:05:24,120 Speaker 1: as a kick and a coon hound and they ain't 2045 02:05:24,160 --> 02:05:28,880 Speaker 1: getting me out anymore. And that's because of them. So 2046 02:05:29,040 --> 02:05:30,920 Speaker 1: what I'm trying to do as much as I can 2047 02:05:31,120 --> 02:05:34,040 Speaker 1: is use this phase in my career to say thanks 2048 02:05:34,560 --> 02:05:39,200 Speaker 1: and just dump the dump whatever I think I may 2049 02:05:39,240 --> 02:05:43,720 Speaker 1: have learned from these audiences empowering me to do this 2050 02:05:43,880 --> 02:05:48,760 Speaker 1: stuff for free, and now I know it sounds kind 2051 02:05:48,800 --> 02:05:53,120 Speaker 1: of silly and cheesy, but honestly, it's the absolute least 2052 02:05:53,160 --> 02:05:57,160 Speaker 1: they can do. This idiot from northern Wisconsin who who 2053 02:05:58,200 --> 02:06:02,640 Speaker 1: his homeroom teacher had twenty bet with my freshman wrestling 2054 02:06:02,720 --> 02:06:06,600 Speaker 1: coach that wouldn't even graduate high school. I'm living my 2055 02:06:06,760 --> 02:06:09,720 Speaker 1: dream because of everybody who's listening to this stuff, and 2056 02:06:10,360 --> 02:06:17,640 Speaker 1: that's never lost on me and talk that's that is 2057 02:06:17,680 --> 02:06:20,600 Speaker 1: pretty awesome. I can definitely relate. There's a lot to 2058 02:06:21,000 --> 02:06:23,200 Speaker 1: be thankful for, no doubt about that. And I think 2059 02:06:23,240 --> 02:06:25,480 Speaker 1: it's great that you, you know, continue to give back 2060 02:06:25,560 --> 02:06:27,800 Speaker 1: to to that community, and I know a lot of 2061 02:06:27,840 --> 02:06:30,080 Speaker 1: people have benefited from it, and I can I can 2062 02:06:30,120 --> 02:06:32,280 Speaker 1: attest to that. The Facebook tips of the day and 2063 02:06:32,320 --> 02:06:34,400 Speaker 1: stuff that you're sharing that is really good stuff, really 2064 02:06:34,440 --> 02:06:37,400 Speaker 1: in depth. You're putting some some really good original content 2065 02:06:37,440 --> 02:06:40,720 Speaker 1: out there on your Facebook page. So everyone listening, check 2066 02:06:40,760 --> 02:06:42,920 Speaker 1: out the books, check out the web shows, and like 2067 02:06:43,040 --> 02:06:45,760 Speaker 1: Steve said, definitely follow him on his Facebook page where 2068 02:06:45,800 --> 02:06:47,720 Speaker 1: it seems like there's going to be more and more 2069 02:06:47,800 --> 02:06:51,200 Speaker 1: good stuff. So Steve, thank you so much taking the 2070 02:06:51,240 --> 02:06:54,120 Speaker 1: time to do this for a third time. It's as usual, 2071 02:06:54,400 --> 02:07:00,160 Speaker 1: was great, my pleasure. 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