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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Katie Curic and welcome to Next Question.

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Speaker 1: This week, I got the chance to sit down with

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Speaker 1: the very talented and beautiful inside and out Kate Winslet

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Speaker 1: can you hear me? I can't hear Katie. And while

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Speaker 1: we were getting settled in perfect pandemic fashion, I got

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Speaker 1: the chance to meet her musician husband Ned you might

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Speaker 1: as Kate's super sweet and helpful I T guy, if

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Speaker 1: I know you could BUYE. Thank you, m This was

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite interviews ever. We covered so much

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Speaker 1: ground because Kate has got a lot going on a

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Speaker 1: new audio book, the upcoming Avatar films, a new Edge

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Speaker 1: of your Seat murder mystery series coming out on HBO

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Speaker 1: in April. But we also dive into the toxic business

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Speaker 1: of Hollywood, the body shaming. She endured her experiences working

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Speaker 1: with Harvey Weinstein and Woody Allen and so much more.

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Speaker 1: But enough babbling, I'll just let you hear it for yourself.

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Speaker 1: I hope you all enjoy Kate Winslett as much as

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Speaker 1: I did. I'm trying to think when we last saw

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Speaker 1: each other. Actually, I mean, it really has got to

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Speaker 1: be a quite a long time. It's been a long time,

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Speaker 1: but I was remembering with everyone on this call, I

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Speaker 1: was remembering how I think I did your first American interview,

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Speaker 1: Kate for Sense and Sensibility. Do you remember, Yes? I do,

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Speaker 1: Kate once like, good morning, welcome, thank you, so nice

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Speaker 1: to meet your comedy manners. Would you describe Sense and

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Speaker 1: Sensibility as that, um, a comedy of manners? Well, there's

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Speaker 1: certainly a lot of humor in it, which I think

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Speaker 1: is good and also very important. I remember it so well.

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Speaker 1: I do. I do remember, and yeah, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: just remember in those days being completely terrified, because of course,

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Speaker 1: the whole concept of being on a talk show is

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Speaker 1: so it's it's really very very strange, and of course

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Speaker 1: you don't have as much time to say all the

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Speaker 1: things you think you want to say. And you know

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Speaker 1: when I talk a lot anyway, I still do to

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Speaker 1: this day. So I had no concept of censoring my

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Speaker 1: and I was very self conscious. I remember being physically

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Speaker 1: and just very self conscious in those days. Maryanne Dashwood

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Speaker 1: is your character. She is absolutely the juiciest role in

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Speaker 1: the movie. Don't you think She's so impestuous and passionate.

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Speaker 1: She's obviously the sensibility in Sense and Sensibility. Why else

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Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know what it was. I think

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Speaker 1: it was. It's it's funny when I, well, you were

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Speaker 1: so young. How old were you when you were in

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Speaker 1: Sense and Sensibility? I was nineteen when I was in

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Speaker 1: Sense and Sensibility, but the time by the time we spoke,

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Speaker 1: I probably would have been twenty, which is my daughter's age.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy? Well, I have to tell you, from

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Speaker 1: my perspective, you were I just fell in love with you.

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Speaker 1: First of all, you were extraordinary in the movie. I

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Speaker 1: remember just thinking how wonderful you were, and it was.

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Speaker 1: It was one of my favorite interviews actually, because I

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Speaker 1: also felt very I think I felt protective of you

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Speaker 1: I hope you'll remember it in a good way because

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Speaker 1: you came off really really well. Um, But I do

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Speaker 1: remember how nervous you were, and of course it's nerve

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Speaker 1: I just loved you in the film, and I've really

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Speaker 1: loved you, Kate, and almost everything, well, no almost, and

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Speaker 1: everything you've done the reader. I've been so thrilled to

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Speaker 1: see your career unfold. And you know, when you hurt,

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Speaker 1: I hurt. You know when you went through some of

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Speaker 1: the garbage during the Titanic, I was enraged and incensed. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it just Um, anyway, I've just followed you so long,

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Speaker 1: you're busy as ever. Um. And so let's talk about

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Speaker 1: some of your projects, because I'm excited about those. But

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Speaker 1: I want to talk quickly about your life, your wonderful husband, ned.

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Speaker 1: You have three kids. Now, you have a son who's

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Speaker 1: wants to follow in your footsteps. So yes, that does

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Speaker 1: that terrify you, by the way, Well no, I mean

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Speaker 1: I'm always so impressed by her. And she's you know,

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Speaker 1: On the other hand, Kate, I've been living in Los

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Speaker 1: since we're all working virtually, and I was thinking the

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Speaker 1: other day, acting must be the most difficult profession for

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Speaker 1: your self esteem because the constant rejection, the constant sort

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Speaker 1: I don't think I could have tolerated being an actor.

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Speaker 1: I just don't think I could. The kind of fear of,

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Speaker 1: to get it? And that, you know, all those kind

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Speaker 1: it would make me completely insane. Well, it is a

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Speaker 1: And my dad always says to me, you're only as

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Speaker 1: and I still believe it to this day. You know,

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Speaker 1: your personal life. And I keep going off on these

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Speaker 1: crazy tangents, but how have you been weathering the pandemic? Kate?

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Speaker 1: And because my older two are seventeen and twenty, you know,

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Speaker 1: free time, you immediately default to your phone and scrolling,

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Speaker 1: and half the time you miss your surroundings. And furthermore,

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Speaker 1: I read that the part of your brain that's responsible

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Speaker 1: for creativity, it only ignites when you're bored, when your

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Speaker 1: brain is at rest, and that's when I don't know

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Speaker 1: if it's like the prefrontal cortex or this cerebellum. I

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Speaker 1: can't remember what part it is. But it made me

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Speaker 1: think there's a real purpose for daydreaming. It's why all

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Speaker 1: your thoughts, like your aha moments often come in the

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Speaker 1: shower or when you're taking a walk and you're totally

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Speaker 1: free of distraction. So that's another thing, another really important

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Speaker 1: reason to not be just consumed by your screen. That's right.

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Speaker 1: That's why I completely completely agree with you. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm no, I'm no exception to this conversation

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Speaker 1: when it comes to over using phones. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: try very hard not to. I don't have any social

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Speaker 1: media in terms of Instagram, will snapchat. I can't imagine

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Speaker 1: what that must be like to be drawn by yet

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Speaker 1: another thing that sucks you into vortex. But but I,

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Speaker 1: you know, I certainly do try. If I'm taking the

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Speaker 1: dog for a walk, for example, we'll go for these

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Speaker 1: lovely two and a half hour long walks, and we'll

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Speaker 1: go as a family, I will absolutely leave my phone

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Speaker 1: at home. And we're all starting to do that more

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Speaker 1: and more, my older kids as well, doing that more

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Speaker 1: and more. I guess, no, my goodness, absolutely no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: but but but but but I will say though that

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Speaker 1: you know that it does make us all as a

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Speaker 1: household much more conscious because he essentially lives with four adults,

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Speaker 1: given that me or in Joe a seventeen and twenty,

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Speaker 1: you know, And so there are times when we're all

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Speaker 1: in I'll be responding to an email or even looking

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Speaker 1: up a recipe, one thing I've taken to doing. Actually,

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Speaker 1: for anyone who has is lucky enough to have a printer,

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Speaker 1: I often will look for a quick like you know,

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Speaker 1: chocolate chip cookie recipe or you know, carrot soup or

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Speaker 1: whatever it might be, and rather than follow that recipe

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Speaker 1: on my phone in the kitchen, I quickly press print

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Speaker 1: and I'll print it out so that Bear will actually see,

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Speaker 1: he'll see, he'll be able to see what it is

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Speaker 1: that I'm doing. Because if you're on your screen the

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Speaker 1: hot time, of course, your children, your child can't see

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Speaker 1: what you're doing or even understand what you're doing. And

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Speaker 1: half the time they just don't like it, which is understandable.

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Speaker 1: So I've taken to doing that and just and also

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Speaker 1: just just really reconnecting with my books. Have loads of

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Speaker 1: cooking books. Some of them are behind me actually in

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Speaker 1: the in this video here that we're doing. But um,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, just just picking up the books again and

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Speaker 1: going okay, what do I want to make and going

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Speaker 1: to a store and getting the ingredients for that one

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Speaker 1: thing you want to make that evening, you know. Um,

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Speaker 1: And it can be easy, it can be easier said

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Speaker 1: than done, and best lay plans of mice and men.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I think just leaving phones at home

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Speaker 1: when you take the dog for a walk, for example. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's a small, small thing to do, but

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Speaker 1: very very helpful when we come back, Kate and I

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Speaker 1: talk about her gripping news series on HBO, Mayor of Easttown.

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Speaker 1: That's right after this. Starting April eighteenth, Bunny HBO, you'll

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Speaker 1: have the pleasure of watching Kate Winslett occupy an incredible

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Speaker 1: character in a new series called Mayor of East Town.

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Speaker 1: She plays a tough, empathetic and complicated detective who's investigating

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Speaker 1: a brutal murder in her close knit hometown. I'm Richard.

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Speaker 1: What's your name? Mayor? From this lady hawk herself? Why

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Speaker 1: did you call your lady hawk? I made a shot

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Speaker 1: in a basketball game twenty five years ago. I think

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Speaker 1: you're a hero. Well, love and look at that must

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Speaker 1: have been some shot most places, No around here? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: why do you do? I'm insective detective. You don't have

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Speaker 1: any bodies hidden under your porch? Do you yet? I

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Speaker 1: was sent the scripts way back in uh in twenty

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Speaker 1: eight actually the end of twenty and I and I

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Speaker 1: read episodes one and two, and of course was was

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Speaker 1: hooked immediately, but couldn't believe this, this rich, complicated um

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Speaker 1: character who was sort of was was functioning so well,

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Speaker 1: sort of on paper in the real world, but but

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Speaker 1: but quietly in the depths of an absolutely terrible personal

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Speaker 1: crisis and grief that she was, you know, feeling more

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Speaker 1: keenly every day, but not dealing with at all. And

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Speaker 1: yet this level of grief that she is experiencing is

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Speaker 1: something that affects everything she does. It affects all of

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Speaker 1: her family relationships and even her working ones. And to

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Speaker 1: play someone who I think is so held up in

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Speaker 1: such high regard within the community of East Town where

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Speaker 1: she lives and where she was born and has lived

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Speaker 1: all of her life, to be so looked up to

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Speaker 1: by so many people, that kind of pressure to be

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Speaker 1: something and to count for something all the time, I

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Speaker 1: I identified with that. I understood that side of her.

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Speaker 1: She's obviously nothing like me. She's a sergeant detective in

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Speaker 1: this small town um, like I said before, in Delaware

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Speaker 1: County outside of Philadelphia, UM. And I am obviously not

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Speaker 1: that and that's not my world at all. But the

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Speaker 1: one thing I was able to really connect with them

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Speaker 1: that resonated with me more than anything about this role

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Speaker 1: is how important family is to her and community. And

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Speaker 1: for me, family and community are It's in It's in

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Speaker 1: my DNA, and so it's definitely something for me. In lockdown.

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Speaker 1: Like most of us, I have found really hard going

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Speaker 1: without that. Um, but Mayre it was. It was such

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Speaker 1: a rich, complex part, and the writing was so outstanding.

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Speaker 1: And I hadn't explored the possibility of television for a

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Speaker 1: really long time. And I did Mildred Pierce with HBO

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Speaker 1: back in two thousand and ten, and it had been

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Speaker 1: a wonderful, incredible experience, and um, and and and and

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Speaker 1: the greatest art of all with television is that you

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00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: just get to tell so much more story. You know,

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Speaker 1: often people think more films must be really really hard,

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Speaker 1: and television, by comparison, must be a little bit easier.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, it's not. It's about five times as

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Speaker 1: as tough, because, first of all, the length of your

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Speaker 1: television shoot is always considerably longer. Mayor of Eastown in

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Speaker 1: total COVID came in the middle, but in total was

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Speaker 1: a hundred and sixteen days of shooting. You know, a

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Speaker 1: typical film shoot can be around forty five days maybe

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Speaker 1: fifty of shooting. So it's a it's a it's it's

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Speaker 1: a lot, you know. And it's seven hours of television.

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Speaker 1: You know, a film is an hour and forty minutes,

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Speaker 1: so so it's a very very challenging immersive experience. And

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Speaker 1: for me playing Mayor, you know, she's she's lovable, she's loathsome,

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Speaker 1: she's sort of disgraceful as well as glorious. She's disgusting

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00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: as well as pulled together. She's vulnerable, she's strong, she's tough,

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Speaker 1: she's soft, she's just so many things that I think

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Speaker 1: we all are. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: she's a mother trying to keep it all together and

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Speaker 1: really trying to do her absolute best by everyone every

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Speaker 1: single day, and that I really really respect and really

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Speaker 1: connected with um. And it's a story, it's a murder,

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Speaker 1: and murder takes place at the end of episode one.

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Speaker 1: It's a local girl. She's a teenager. She is a

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Speaker 1: teenage she's a teenage mother of one small child. And

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Speaker 1: it's deeply sad because we all as a community know

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Speaker 1: this young girl very well, and because it's set in

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Speaker 1: a small town. It becomes pretty clear that actually the

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Speaker 1: person who killed her it's probably somewhere in our midst

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Speaker 1: and it falls to Mayor to solve the crime. And

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Speaker 1: of course that's very complicated because she's questioning and interrogating people.

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Speaker 1: She knows and people she sees every day and people

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Speaker 1: she's known for a very long time. I think that's

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Speaker 1: one of the really interesting aspects of the show. And

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Speaker 1: I've only seen two episodes, but this this intersection of

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Speaker 1: community and crime, and you know, it is everybody knows everybody,

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00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: and so for her to be detached and her to

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Speaker 1: to move in the world in a certain way that

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Speaker 1: you would expect and maybe a bigger metropolitan area as

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Speaker 1: a as a detective, it it all overlaps. And I

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Speaker 1: know that when the when the detective comes to help you,

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Speaker 1: I think he's put off by that because it's just

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Speaker 1: a very unique situation where she, as you said, knows

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Speaker 1: everybody and and I think it it really complicates it

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Speaker 1: not only for her, but for the for the viewer too,

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Speaker 1: because you're like trying to to square these relationships and wait,

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00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: how do they know each other? And how does this

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Speaker 1: fit together? And one of the things, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: I think that's really great about this series is that

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Speaker 1: it takes place in sort of a town America. In

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Speaker 1: these towns and I've just done a fair amount of

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Speaker 1: reporting on this that are really hurting, you know, manufacturing

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Speaker 1: left the opioid crisis. They have poverty, they have people

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Speaker 1: just you know, economic struggles, and uh, you know, in

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Speaker 1: many ways, I think it's it's it's Trump country. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: this this small town and you think, wow, uh, this

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Speaker 1: is this is a tough place to live, right right,

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Speaker 1: That's absolutely right. And one thing that really did strike

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Speaker 1: me about Delaware County, Um, you know, the socioeconomic differences

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00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: are so are so varied, you know, within a matter

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Speaker 1: of miles um. And I suppose that's the same the

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Speaker 1: whole world over. You often find that in pockets of

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Speaker 1: England as well. Um. But but that was really startling

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Speaker 1: to me. And as you say, you know, groups, communities

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Speaker 1: of people who really are suffering, really are in crisis,

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Speaker 1: and it was actually staggering to me how there aren't

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Speaker 1: better systems in place to care for those vulnerable people.

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Speaker 1: I I it made me angry and made me very upset. Um.

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Speaker 1: And I did spend a lot of time in those

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Speaker 1: opioid districts when I was preparing for the role, um,

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Speaker 1: and it's I mean, there are things I saw there

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Speaker 1: that I can you know, you can never unsee and

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Speaker 1: and it's it's it's that's life for some of those

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Speaker 1: people and it's desperate and devastating. UM. And so playing

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Speaker 1: this part and being UM and being a sort of

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Speaker 1: a member of a of a community like that, you know,

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Speaker 1: we very much had to absolutely absorb a lot of

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Speaker 1: that quite personal stuff in terms of how people live

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Speaker 1: and the struggles that they experience. UM and our crew

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00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: and our cast were remarkable people. I mean, we became

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Speaker 1: a little community, actually quite big community, UM. And that

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00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: was one of the things, I'll be honest that kind

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Speaker 1: of did get me through lockdown was that I always,

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Speaker 1: you know, even though I came back to the UK

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Speaker 1: and we had to shut down for a while, I

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Speaker 1: was playing Mayor in my mind and and and to

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Speaker 1: the extent that when we did finish shooting in December,

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Speaker 1: so I feel like I've only just stopped playing her.

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Speaker 1: In a funny way, you know, I realized that she

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Speaker 1: almost had become a little bit of an alter ego

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Speaker 1: for me, because she was my escape through all of it.

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Speaker 1: She was my emotional and mental escape. And it wasn't

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00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: a very nice place emotionally and mentally to always be

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00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: escaping too. But there is there is something very lovable

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Speaker 1: about Mayor. She and the character and and I miss

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Speaker 1: her for sure, Like I'm having a hard time really

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Speaker 1: unraveling myself and letting go of her. I kept one

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Speaker 1: of I kept her coat, the coat that she wears

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00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: in the show. The whole time. It's like it's just

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00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: an old barn jacket, but but I kept it, and

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Speaker 1: every now and then I'll just put it on. I

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00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: love the and you you again, you. That's so funny.

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Speaker 1: And I love these female characters, especially who are complex.

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Speaker 1: You know, I loved Olive Kittridge when when HBO did

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Speaker 1: that because I loved the fact that frances McDormand first

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Speaker 1: of all, I I worshiped Francis McDorman too, And the

640
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 1: fact that these characters are are multidimensional and not there there.

641
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: I love watching someone who's flawed but lovable at the

642
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 1: same time. You know, these complicated like all of us.

643
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: You know that that that they elicit so many different emotions,

644
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: and I think Mayor Is is like exhibit A for

645
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: that kind of character. And you also had to perfect

646
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: an accent that is called what it's called a dover

647
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: What what is that? It's it's a very distinct Pennsylvania.

648
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: Explain how you were able to do that the Delco

649
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: dialect is um. I mean it's it's Delco. When you

650
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 1: say Delco, what does that mean? Detay County sound delo Um.

651
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: So it's a it's a it's a very um, it's

652
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: a very it's a very difficult dialect. I don't know

653
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: how else to kind of describe it to you. You

654
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: know that that that oh sound is is you know?

655
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 1: They they say they don't say Delco. They said, they

656
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: say Delko, Delko. They say, don't say open, they'll say

657
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: open open, And they don't say water they say woulder

658
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: no would no would when they don't and they don't

659
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: say daughter, what would? Yeah, well done, you got it.

660
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: You got it. And they don't say they don't say daughter,

661
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: they say daughter daughter. It's very odd. It's very odd.

662
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: So and the it's kind of it's it's a different

663
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: it's a different set of muscles quite honestly, than a

664
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: than a generic American dialect. And you know, and I

665
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: love doing dialects, I really do, but they do drive

666
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: me completely crazy sometimes and this was one of the

667
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: ones that drove me totally nuts and was convinced that

668
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: I just wasn't going to be able to do it.

669
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: And that people would say, oh, that's bad. You know,

670
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: well they may even still say that. I have absolutely

671
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: no idea. People are titles to their own opinions. But

672
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: I tried every day and so so um so yeah,

673
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: a lot of training, work with a dialect coach, and

674
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: listened to lots of you know, lots of local sample

675
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: tapes of people talking and just really spending time in

676
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: that community. Plus I had an amazing, amazing sort of

677
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: right hand woman, a great sergeant detective named Christine Blayla,

678
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: who is She worked in Chester County, and she was brilliant.

679
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: She was my proper go to help her um and

680
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: she was She would sort of knock it out of

681
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: me if I ever did anything, not just in terms

682
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: of how I spoke, but if there was anything I

683
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 1: would do in terms of how I held my gun,

684
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: how I moved, how I had approached a situation, you know,

685
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: just anything that looked fake phony or like they do

686
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: it on TV. She was like, no, that's how they

687
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: do it on TV. No, not doing that. So she

688
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: she would say no, you know, so she'd be like,

689
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: sometimes you know it's a clusterfuck, you know, sometimes it

690
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: is you know, you want to get the handcuffs on,

691
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: just swap them on. You know, it's not going to

692
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: go perfect every time, so I think, okay, okay, great, okay, great,

693
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: I don't have to be so perfect at these things.

694
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: She no, you know, it happens, man. She was brilliant.

695
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: So I spent a lot of time with her and

696
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 1: actually and her her dialect, her her her delca dialect

697
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 1: is very very strong. So um, sometimes it was almost

698
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: a little bit too strong for the character, so I

699
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: would have to be almost careful not to listen to

700
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 1: her too much. But yeah, I just I just had.

701
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: You know, I had an extraordinary time playing this role.

702
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: I've got to tell you. And you know, it's very

703
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: rare for me to be comfortable watching myself in anything.

704
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: And because I was also an executive producer on Mayor,

705
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: I'm having to watch each episode as they're editing it

706
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: and give my own notes, and you know, we we

707
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: still collapse and talk about things. I'm absolutely loving it.

708
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: I'm loving it. But yeah, but I'll tell you why

709
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: I'm loving it. It's because I truly love this show.

710
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: I love it, and I will say this, it is fantastic.

711
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: It is gripping. The performances are are just extraordinary. The

712
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,959
Speaker 1: cast is brilliant. We were as tight as we look,

713
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: we as though we were on screen, and it's it's

714
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: you know, it's got a it's got a heartbeat that

715
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 1: is very specific to Delco and very specific to East Town.

716
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: And I feel tremendously, tremendously proud of everyone. It was

717
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: an extraordinary time. And I can say that really is

718
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: a terrific show. And I would never say that about

719
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: anything I'm in that hasn't come out yet, but I

720
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: do feel I do feel that that please with it

721
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: so um so, which is which is new for me.

722
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, this is like you've never heard ever. Yeah,

723
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: I would never say that publicly. I don't think I'd

724
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: never say I love it. I'm really proud of it.

725
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: I mean I don't really you know, I'm British, British people,

726
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't class myself as typically British, But

727
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: we don't tend to kind of like express real like

728
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: you know, celebration in in in our own stuff, I suppose,

729
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: And and I do feel just thrilled with it, really

730
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: thrilled it was. It was a tough old shoot and

731
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: you know a lot of tricky things were thrown at us.

732
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: But but it's it's fantastic. It's really fantastic. We're all

733
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: really excited. But I can't wait to see more episodes.

734
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: So maybe I'll get a sneak peek before the rest

735
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: of the world, because after after episode two, we're like, no,

736
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: we couldn't believe that. We couldn't keep watching to find

737
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: out what happens episode really exciting episode three. I tell you,

738
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: at the end of episode three, you actually can't believe

739
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: what happens at the end of episode three, and then

740
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: you can't believe what happens at the end of four,

741
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: and then the end of five flattens you. The end

742
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: of six, you are just breathless, and I can't take that. Okay,

743
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: So yeah, tell me about Avatar. So you you're doing

744
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 1: this and then you're doing Avatar, I mean talk about like, well, well,

745
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: actually Avatar happened ages ago. I shot that at the

746
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: beginning of eighteen. It's amazing, how you know, because they're

747
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: still filming it. Um you know, it hasn't come out yet,

748
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: so it sort of seems like it's just happened. But

749
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: but yeah, I filmed at the beginning of eighteen. I

750
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: had a couple of months on the shoot, and yeah,

751
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 1: it was an amazing experience. I had to learn how

752
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: to breath hold and free dive and it was incredible.

753
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: I loved it. I really loved it. And working with

754
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: Jim Cameron again was fantastic. I mean, yeah from Titanic

755
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: days I got about that. Yeah, yeah, so that was

756
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: that was just it was just terrific, you know. And

757
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: there's such an amazing group of people, um and the

758
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: world of Pandora. You know, it's like it really is

759
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 1: like drinking the kool aid. You fully get sucked into

760
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: this experience, and it was it was just lovely, you know.

761
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: Working with Sigourney Weaver, my goodness, I had a lot

762
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: to do with her actually, and and the two of us,

763
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: you know, acting out a scene together in a twenty

764
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: two ft deep tank, you know, holding our breath for

765
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: three or four minutes on end. It's totally amazing. That's

766
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: my worst nightmare. That's my worst nightmare. I'm afraid really,

767
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 1: So the idea of yeah, wasn't that wasn't that wasn't

768
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: that hard? Or I mean that must have been it

769
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: is hard. I'm meant to learn how to do that.

770
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: It is hard. But luckily I love the water. I

771
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: mean I truly I love the water, and I you know,

772
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: I love to scuba dive and swim and all of

773
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: those things. So um uh, I was thrilled to have

774
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: the opportunity actually to to learn to breath hold and

775
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 1: do all of that. And um, it's you know, it's

776
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: it's it's great. It's great to learn something new. You know.

777
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: The training was was was such such an experience, so

778
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: eye opening. Um, and also learning that your body is

779
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: capable of doing things that you just thought it never

780
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: would be able to do, you know, like hold your

781
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: breath for seven minutes, I mean crazy, completely insane after

782
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: a lot of training. I mean it's not something I

783
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: could just sit here right now, take a deep breath

784
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: and hold it for seven minutes. No, no, absolutely no.

785
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: You have to completely sort of you know, you have

786
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: to prepare your body properly and go through a breathing sequence.

787
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:14,919
Speaker 1: I mean, it's yeah, it's a it's it's a big

788
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: deal thing. But but I loved it. I loved it.

789
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: When we come back, Harvey Woody and is Hollywood really changing?

790
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: I'm just curious about how you feel things have changed

791
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: for women in Hollywood and in film and television and

792
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: and sort of every medium since you started. And and

793
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: I sense a real palpable change. And I know you

794
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: have said it's great to see women become more muscular,

795
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 1: but you know, I think you also can see that

796
00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 1: there they're still miles to go before we sleep, as

797
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: they say. And I'm curious your overall impressions of of

798
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: how me too and time's up and this reckoning with

799
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: with sexual harassment, etcetera has has had real world impact

800
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: on on your industry. Well, I mean this, you know,

801
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 1: we wish we need to have a podcast for just

802
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: this subject. I mean, look, I think you know you

803
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: touched on something earlier actually in the interview that really

804
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: sort of stopped and made me think, which is you know,

805
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: you're right like around the time of Titanic, I was

806
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: subjected to the most extraordinary level of bullying from the

807
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 1: media about how I looked. And you know, I think

808
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: so social media now is the bigger worry when it

809
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: comes to all of that kind of stuff. But mainstream

810
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: media at least now have stopped doing that. You know,

811
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: they don't seem to single out someone and just absolutely

812
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: attack them for being for being thin, for being I mean,

813
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: is it was. It's it's incredible when I look back

814
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: on how how how how badly I was treated and

815
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: that it was. Yeah, it was scarring. It definitely was scarring.

816
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm quite good at seeing, you know,

817
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: things as being a blessing in disguise, and I had

818
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: to try and find you a positive out of it,

819
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: and the only thing I could find was that it

820
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: made me think, right, well, if that's what they're going

821
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,760
Speaker 1: to do, I'm not going to Hollywood then, because clearly

822
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: I'm not cut out for this world. That's not who

823
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: I That's not me. I don't want that level of scrutiny. Um.

824
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: But also I think the thing about it that was very,

825
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: very cruel was that, you know, my body was shifting

826
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: and changing. Hormones play a huge part in your physical

827
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: makeup when you're young, and it was extraordinary to me

828
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,919
Speaker 1: how the press could be that unkind to a young,

829
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: vulnerable woman who was still figuring out who heck she was.

830
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: It's terrible. So so that kind of thing has always

831
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: made me incredibly angry and upset. But I not to

832
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: mention Keith that you were beautiful and and by the way,

833
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: I think this is the thing, Katie, you know, I was,

834
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I don't want to ever even

835
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: talk about specifics of weight because that seems like a

836
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: very bad thing to do. But but I look back

837
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: on that time and I and I even look at

838
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: images sometimes and I I was very average. I was

839
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: a very average shape and size. I was what they

840
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: would call now call, you know, curvy, you know, but

841
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: then they would say voluptuous, you know, weighty, She's she's

842
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: clearly gained twenty pounds. I mean, how dare people do

843
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: that to a young person? Absolutely terrible, terrible. It's amazing

844
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: that I got through it really without severe scars, you know, um,

845
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: somehow I did. I think that's just because I've got

846
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 1: a good family and I've always understood what's important in life,

847
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: which is obviously not listening to what the media has

848
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: to say. But in terms of to your question, how

849
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: things have changed, I think we're still experiencing this seismic shift,

850
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: and I think that there's more to come. I mean,

851
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: I definitely think that hopefully the next voices will hear

852
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: will be from the LGBTQ community in terms of in

853
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: terms of how they are heard, perceived represented in films

854
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: and television in the mainstream, because I still feel very

855
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: strongly that we don't have enough lgbt Q roles available

856
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: for actors in our mainstream. You know, That's why we

857
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: so often we'll talk about the lgbt Q character, and

858
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: we'll compare that character to the few characters who are

859
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: lgbt Q that do exist, rather than than just being

860
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 1: absolutely present and an integral part of of every single

861
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: story that we're telling. So I think that that's the

862
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: next thing that's coming. I would hope that it is

863
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: um but women's voices being heard. I think what is

864
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 1: the most exciting thing for me at this time. It's

865
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: not just that we are feeling a new level of

866
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: confidence in terms of how we can speak for ourselves

867
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: and for one another, but the sense of women standing together,

868
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: you know, a sense of sisterhood, a lack of judgment,

869
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: I think, a sort of a shoulder to shoulder, even

870
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:24,720
Speaker 1: arms around one another, sense of solidarity in moving forward

871
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: is truly truly magnificent, and is is taking my breath away.

872
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 1: And I'm finding that very moving and also feeling that

873
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: women's voices are being we're really being heard in a

874
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: new way, in a different way, and that I'm appreciating

875
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: as well, because I don't think we're I mean, yes,

876
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: we're still We're still loud and proud, and we're still

877
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: yelling and screaming in certain areas, but I feel that

878
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: our voices are just beginning to become a steady, strong,

879
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: collaborative heartbeat rather than having to yell and scream to

880
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: get ourselves hurt. And I think there's much more of

881
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: an acceptance the space is being held for us in

882
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: a different way, and I think that we're all stepping

883
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: into that space in absolute unity and that is wonderful.

884
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: That's wonderful and new. I would say, yes, right. I

885
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: never during different periods of my career, I never felt

886
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 1: the support of other women in a way that I

887
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: really missed, uh, where they would come together and say,

888
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: wait a second, you can't criticize Katie's makeup when she

889
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: is anchoring the evening news. That's wrong, Like, whoever's doing that,

890
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: cut it out. I felt very alone in the world

891
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: and the idea I think I still think women some

892
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: of it is. I think still women are competitive, and

893
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: I think that's okay. By the way, you know, men

894
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 1: are competitive too. But I do sense that there's much

895
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 1: more support for women and for each other, and a

896
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: much more a much more active celebration of women other

897
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: women when they do well. Yes, I think I think

898
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: you're right. Less resentment. I think that's absolutely true. You're right,

899
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: there's the less resentment thing is definitely a really big

900
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: deal because when I was you know, when I was

901
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: a successful actress in my early twenties, Oh yeah, I mean,

902
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: there's you know, there's bitterness, there's finger pointing, there's backstabbing,

903
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: there's other people trying to sort of do you down

904
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 1: or compete with you, and this is a sort of

905
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: a crazy way to exist, you know. And I definitely

906
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 1: feel that that's I definitely feel that that's really really changing.

907
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: Um And I think that we can we can rely

908
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: on our friends and our peers to to call out

909
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: others for saying things that might be offensive or snyde

910
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 1: in some way, or less than supportive. You know, I

911
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 1: think it's okay now to say, hang on a second,

912
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: you know, you don't need to say that that's there's

913
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: definitely a different way of of seeing this moment and

914
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: maybe actually that's your stuff. Let's not bring that stuff

915
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: to this person because they're they're doing something really cool.

916
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: You know, maybe you could notice that, you know. So

917
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 1: there's definitely there's a different rhythm to the language that

918
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: we're using now that I'm finding enormously gratifying, especially the

919
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: mother of a of a young woman myself, you know,

920
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: and and seeing the impact I think that this is

921
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,760
Speaker 1: already having certainly on her, on my daughter Mia most definitely,

922
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: And I'm sure a lot of women are feeling the

923
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: same way, you know, we're definitely because it's not it's

924
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 1: not this generation. It's not our generation that are going

925
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: to change the world. It's that generation. It's the younger generation,

926
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: and by god, they're actually going to change the world,

927
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: you know. So I think to be passing along language

928
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:51,760
Speaker 1: and and and compassion to that younger generation and teaching

929
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: them how to use their words sensibly, mindfully, kindly and wisely,

930
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: you know, that's going to make a difference to a

931
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 1: really big difference. Um, it's it's it's a really interesting

932
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 1: it's a really interesting time that you think I do.

933
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: I'm going to get killed by your publicist, but I

934
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: can't help but ask you one other question, Kate. I

935
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,720
Speaker 1: just watched the documentary about Woody Allen and Mia Farrow,

936
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: which was absolutely devastating. And I know that one thing

937
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: that these very top positions, these decision making uh positions,

938
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: these directors, etcetera, that that really ruled the world when

939
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: you were sort of in the early stages of your

940
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 1: career and even later. Um, there has been a major

941
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: reckoning about that. And UM, it's it's fascinating for me

942
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: to see this about face that so many people are

943
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: doing when it comes to their association with different directors.

944
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: That I know that you feel that way about Woody

945
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 1: Allen and Roman Polanski as well, Like if you knew

946
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: then what you know now, you would have real reservations.

947
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: And and why do you think that that you didn't

948
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 1: have reservations back then? It was just because it had

949
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: been sort of sublimated by the culture. Is that well,

950
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: you know, I think, I think, I think what I

951
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 1: do want to say, and I say this not to

952
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: in any way defend my choices, because that would not

953
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: be the right thing for me to do. Um. But

954
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: these men, these men had very you know and still have,

955
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: you know, very successful careers in movies, you know, and

956
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: one can't deny that, you know, we've watched Woody Allen

957
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: films or Polanski films. You know, I know a lot

958
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: of people in my world who say, oh my god,

959
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 1: but you know, Manhattan inspired me so much, or you know,

960
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: Bitter Moon was one of the most incredible films I've

961
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: ever seen. I mean, you know, actors, writers, directors, we

962
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: had all we had all gotten used to these individuals

963
00:53:55,960 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: being part of our wider film community. And trust me,

964
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: spots in those directors films were heavily coveted and and

965
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: fought for you by the actors themselves and sometimes the

966
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: agents on their behalf. So that's why it was always

967
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: it was always suggested that it was okay, it was

968
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: okay to work with these men. It was an honor

969
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 1: to work with these men, because look, everybody, they're still working,

970
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: their films are still getting finance, and their films are

971
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: still making money. So it's that that I think we

972
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: need to start questioning UM. But yeah, I mean I

973
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,760
Speaker 1: think I think I think what I said um earlier

974
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,959
Speaker 1: last year is true, which is just that you know, yeah,

975
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: I definitely regret having made those decisions. You know, Um,

976
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: I haven't seen the documentary that you're referring to. But um,

977
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: but I but but I do have someone sending it

978
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 1: to me because we don't have it over in the

979
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: UK yet, and I'm obviously dying to see it. Um.

980
00:54:58,160 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I think I think we have

981
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: to you know, I think we have to sort of

982
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: not fingerpoint anymore when it comes to this is part

983
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 1: of what we were saying before, of being able to,

984
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,240
Speaker 1: you know, sort of stand shoulders and shoulder with people

985
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: and and and and and not judge. You know. I

986
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: think there's been a lot of finger pointing that has

987
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: gone on in terms of people's opinions, and you shouldn't

988
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: you shouldn't have done that. But I think that what's

989
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: important too is to be able to say, you know what, Yes,

990
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: I hold myself accountable and this is how I feel

991
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: about it, and evolve, learn and move on, you know, um,

992
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 1: and continue to talk about it when when when asked to,

993
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: when required to inappropriate ways. Um. Yeah. There's a lot

994
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:40,879
Speaker 1: of things that people don't like saying, you know, there's

995
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: a lot of things that people will try and shy

996
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: away from. And I just don't think I really want

997
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: to live my life like that anymore. Yeah. Yeah, And

998
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 1: I do think that part of it is that we

999
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 1: see the world thankfully through a very different lens now.

1000
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,800
Speaker 1: And I think you're right. I think a lot of

1001
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 1: us have learned and been made aware and uh, with

1002
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: the benefit of hindsight, things look very different. But at

1003
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: the time sometimes it's it's it's it's impossible to evaluate

1004
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: and judge your behavior given the circumstances you were in. So, um,

1005
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: you know, I think you're right. You learn, you you realize,

1006
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: and you move forward and you behave differently or you

1007
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: have different standards moving on. I think that's true for everyone, honestly.

1008
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:36,240
Speaker 1: Um and uh. But but but we can't necessarily judge ourselves.

1009
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: You know. I have my own issues with that, uh,

1010
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: you know, with with my with my colleague Matt Lauer,

1011
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: and that you know is required a lot of soul

1012
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 1: searching on my part. And um, yeah. So so I

1013
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 1: think we all we all have our stuff that we

1014
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 1: might have done differently or you know, look back and analyze.

1015
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: But I think the most important thing is to learn

1016
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: and move forward. So I hear you're I think you're

1017
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: absolutely right, And you know, I mean one thing that

1018
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: I one thing that I can I can say that

1019
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: that I that I always did do was to side

1020
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: step all of the the I'm going to use the

1021
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: word sorry. You can cut out if you want, but

1022
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: I would side step all of Harvey Weinstein's bullshit. You know.

1023
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 1: I never pandered to any of his crap. Um. And

1024
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: he was a very very difficult man to work with,

1025
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: always and extremely up unpleasant, mean and tactical and um

1026
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: and and and just brutal to people, um and And

1027
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: I do remember, I do remember because he had been

1028
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: a part of the reader. And I do remember before

1029
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: the Academy Awards that year that there are a couple

1030
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: of people in my in my life who said, narkate. Listen,

1031
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: you know, if you do win this Academy award, you know, um,

1032
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: just do the right thing, you know, just make sure

1033
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: that you mentioned Harvey. And I looked those people right

1034
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: in the eye, and I said, over my dead body,

1035
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 1: and I won the Academy Award. And I'm very pleased

1036
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: and proud to say that I did not thank Harvey Weinstein.

1037
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: Did you hear from him? No? Thank god? Um no.

1038
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: It was made clear to me through other parties that

1039
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: that hadn't necessarily gone down particularly well. But you know,

1040
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 1: so what I mean, he was really he was a monster.

1041
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: He was an absolute monster. Um and and and everybody

1042
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 1: knows that, you know, everybody knows that now, and and

1043
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 1: I think that's a relief for that's a relief for

1044
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: you know, many many people in our industry, most importantly

1045
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: of all the people who suffered the most at his

1046
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: ghastly hands. Okay, let's move on. And it's also put

1047
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: put put scarred wrails on the behavior of powerful people

1048
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: in general in the future. You know, suddenly people realize,

1049
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: you know, you cann't you know that the gig is

1050
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: up right, that you can only behave that way for

1051
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: a certain amount of time. Well, I have taken way

1052
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: too much of your time, Kate. And I just love

1053
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: talking to you. Um you big fan, Kate Winslett, big fan.

1054
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 1: Well likewise, I mean, I just think you're amazing. You

1055
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: just you know, look at you. You look so glorious

1056
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 1: and you look happy, and you know, it's just such

1057
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: a pleasure to talk to you. And and you know,

1058
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: I just can't believe we've known each other so long. Really,

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Speaker 1: it's that crazy. Were those people We've become those people, Katie,

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Speaker 1: We've become those people who we can say, my god,

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Speaker 1: how long has it been with those people? Now? Thanks

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Speaker 1: again to the totally delightful Kate Winslett, I had so

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Speaker 1: much fun catching up with her after all these years.

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Speaker 1: You can check Kate out in The Fantastic Mayor of Eastown,

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Speaker 1: premiering April eighteen, HBO. You can also find her on

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Speaker 1: Audible as the voice of the new book The Weirdies

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Speaker 1: by Michael Buckley. Next Question with Kati Kurik is a

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Speaker 1: production of iHeartMedia and Katie Couric Media. The executive producers Army,

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Speaker 1: Katie Kuric, and Courtney Litz. The supervising producer is Lauren Hansen.

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Speaker 1: Associate producers Derek Clements, Adriana Fasio, and Emily Pinto. The

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Speaker 1: show is edited and mixed by Derrek Clements. For more

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