Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Meats Twirl, the podcast from two guys
Speaker 1: who had never seen an episode of Dancing with the
Speaker 1: Stars but took it on and walked away experts. So
Speaker 1: now we turn to Traders, another show I've never seen,
Speaker 1: while Will is convinced he could win it. We are Wilfred,
Speaker 1: Allen Ryder Strong. Two best friends, one a TV expert,
Speaker 1: one a TV skeptic, both dance scholars, join us as
Speaker 1: we step into a castle full of lies, alliances, and
Speaker 1: over the top wardrobe choices. This is Pod meets Twirled
Speaker 1: Trading Places.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I.
Speaker 1: Don't know why I'm still in the cloak. I gotta
Speaker 1: be totally honest with you. Yeah, it's like you either
Speaker 1: have to keep it on the entire episode.
Speaker 3: Can I tell you what I wanted to wear today?
Speaker 3: And I thought I was gonna be able to pull
Speaker 3: it off, and it turns out I got rid of them.
Speaker 3: I was just gonna do my overalls with nothing underneath.
Speaker 1: Ah. Yeah, and I can't find a cord. I must
Speaker 1: have just gave it overall I used to do. They're
Speaker 1: they're they're the best. I don't know where they are now,
Speaker 1: So I don't know if you've experienced this. I've sent
Speaker 1: you a couple of things because my Instagram feed is
Speaker 1: JUSTU and uh, there's a lot of Trader content out there.
Speaker 3: This is like, apparently I feel like I'm getting more
Speaker 3: Traders content than I was getting Dancing with the Stars content.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, I think I'm Yeah. My favorite was
Speaker 1: that skit that I sent you, which was a husband
Speaker 1: and wife couple doing what breakfast is, Like, God, I
Speaker 1: didn't see them. You see it. It's like what if
Speaker 1: their husband comes home from work, like the way that
Speaker 1: they show up at breakfast for you know, after somebody's
Speaker 1: been murdered, and so they do this whole like like
Speaker 1: she's eating and then he walks in and then they
Speaker 1: just keep zooming in and they keep suoming in in
Speaker 1: the tail of their dog wagon, a huge deal of it,
Speaker 1: and then right at the end he goes, is that
Speaker 1: the last of the smoke salmon? Yeah? And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: we should have done this skit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got to start doing Traders gets. We should,
Speaker 3: we really do.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but I've been getting all the Ron Funches
Speaker 1: stuff because apparently he's now diagnosed as on the spectrum, right,
Speaker 1: which is I get super interesting and he's kind of saying, like, hey,
Speaker 1: you called it, Like I guess the audience is the
Speaker 1: one that like pointed it out to him and super interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then obviously the Michael Rappaport apology tour is everywhere.
Speaker 1: Oh Isy, I haven't getting that. I've just been getting
Speaker 1: more bron and then like I said, skits about it
Speaker 1: and like honestly, like I just try and like I
Speaker 1: don't want to linger too long on this stuff because
Speaker 1: I want my fee to diversify.
Speaker 3: Well good, well you're gonna have a bunch of different
Speaker 3: points of views about traders.
Speaker 1: So that is that is diverse fight. It's brilliant. You're
Speaker 1: gonna get a lot of different things. So I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't want to like I don't know why, but
Speaker 1: I have this stupid idea that I kind of want
Speaker 1: to stick to the show more than like the exterior
Speaker 1: content because you know, I felt the super Dancing with
Speaker 1: the Stars Like, yeah, I don't want to get But
Speaker 1: so so Michael rapper word is apologizing finally, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: he apparently went out and said that he and Culton
Speaker 1: they are cool, and then he's you know, was taken
Speaker 1: out of context or he didn't. Yeah, he's he's kind
Speaker 1: of apologizing everywhere. Now, okay, yeah, okay, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And I guess we caught some heat a little bit
Speaker 3: of hate too, because we called out a bunch of
Speaker 3: rap report stuff, but we didn't call out any of
Speaker 3: Clton stuff.
Speaker 1: And I guess Colton has a pretty sketchy pass too,
Speaker 1: which I have no idea about.
Speaker 3: I didn't neither. I didn't know about my I didn't
Speaker 3: know about either of them. Frankly, I'm just so not
Speaker 3: in the know of any of this stuff that I
Speaker 3: had no idea about any I just I don't and
Speaker 3: maybe that I should be doing my due diligence. But
Speaker 3: at the same time, I'm not going to deep dive
Speaker 3: every single person we talk about it on a reality show.
Speaker 1: I'm just not. So it's you know, I had no
Speaker 1: idea about any of this stuff. I feel like the
Speaker 1: more I know about people, especially with danswer with the stars,
Speaker 1: this is certainly the case. The more I know it
Speaker 1: kind of took away from me being able to root
Speaker 1: for them on the show or or root against it,
Speaker 1: like I didn't want. I wanted to judge them based
Speaker 1: on thank you, you know, basically how they were on
Speaker 1: screen in this context. So and like you know, with Traders,
Speaker 1: it's really a show about you know, showing your person
Speaker 1: or not, you know, like that's your or so I
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, I kind of want to take
Speaker 1: it on its own terms. Yeah, maybe that's not fair.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know either.
Speaker 3: I also know that I've read enough stuff about myself
Speaker 3: on the Internet that isn't true, and I would say
Speaker 3: eighty five percent of it isn't true to where I
Speaker 3: just don't believe anything I read. So it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: this happened, and this happened. It's like, okay, I I
Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know, and I don't believe.
Speaker 1: My bottom line right now is that I really wish
Speaker 1: Traders was not celebrities. You know, Well that'll be next season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I'm totally like I think, I just like I've
Speaker 1: decided that that's the way the show because the whole
Speaker 1: point of the show is about judging character, and so
Speaker 1: when they come in with like these larger than life personality,
Speaker 1: these crafted television personalities, I just lose interest, you know.
Speaker 1: And I realized that people do that now anyway, Like
Speaker 1: on reality shows, they come on with a plan and
Speaker 1: a sort of character. But at least that's the game,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? It's like that's what
Speaker 1: they're coming here to do. That they're not bringing the
Speaker 1: extra baggage of so many other Housewives shows or Love
Speaker 1: Island or but.
Speaker 3: This is the world, this is the entertainment world without talent.
Speaker 3: So it's just I am my own brand, this is
Speaker 3: my character. I'm me And it's like, okay.
Speaker 1: Well, it's arguable if there's a talent, right, I mean no,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's arguable at all. You don't think
Speaker 1: being good at traders is a talent. I think being
Speaker 1: good at a game is a talent. I don't think
Speaker 1: being on the Real Housewives of anything takes any talent whatsoever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know about Yeah, it's a reality.
Speaker 3: It's there takes no talent to be on the real world.
Speaker 3: It takes no talent to be on any of these
Speaker 3: housewives shows. That's not a talent. Getting drunk and being
Speaker 3: a bitch and having the camera on you does not
Speaker 3: take any talent.
Speaker 1: What about just like charisma, you know, which that's different
Speaker 1: than talent.
Speaker 3: There's some people that are better generally more charismatic than
Speaker 3: other people's that's not an innate talent. I mean there
Speaker 3: are people it's like singing, dancing, acting, These are talents.
Speaker 3: These are things you can cultivate, you can work at. Hey,
Speaker 3: I'm a character is not a talent?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I honestly, I mean I like my impulses to
Speaker 1: agree with you, but I honestly want to leave space
Speaker 1: for the idea. I want to think about this more.
Speaker 1: I like the Christian like, because is charisma worth rewarding?
Speaker 1: I mean because in some ways that's a different conversation.
Speaker 1: Is rewarding? Sure? Yeah, but I mean, like, can you
Speaker 1: take credit for charisma? Maybe that's another way to put it. Like,
Speaker 1: you know, if you're a charismatic person, Like, isn't that
Speaker 1: in part because you have good social skills and you've
Speaker 1: honed them and you've understood like to like how to
Speaker 1: make you yourself likable and all that, And so I
Speaker 1: would think of that as a talent.
Speaker 3: Oh see, I don't. I think of that as a skill.
Speaker 3: See that's the thing. A talent and scale are two
Speaker 3: different things. Yeah, I think you're born with talent. Like
Speaker 3: if you can't sing, you can't sing. You can't learn
Speaker 3: how to sing. You can take singing lessons for the
Speaker 3: rest of your life. You can't sing. You just were
Speaker 3: not born with the ability to do that. Now, if
Speaker 3: you can sing a little bit, you can take classes
Speaker 3: and get better. But if you can't sing, you can't sing.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm as black and white as you,
Speaker 1: I absolutely am.
Speaker 3: I'm very hard knows when it comes to talent, because
Speaker 3: the idea of nowadays is everybody special.
Speaker 1: So no, what about acting? Acting is a talent? So
Speaker 1: you were born with your talent you want a hundred percent,
Speaker 1: worked hard at it or guide did both? But I
Speaker 1: was you.
Speaker 3: Have you met how many child actors? Do you know
Speaker 3: that we're charismatic but couldn't act myself?
Speaker 1: No? See, I disagree.
Speaker 3: You didn't like your acting, but you could act, and
Speaker 3: the more classes you took you got better at your
Speaker 3: at your craft, at your talent. We worked with plenty
Speaker 3: of people, plenty of kids that were charismatic and could
Speaker 3: remember the lines and newhere to stand that couldn't act.
Speaker 1: Those are two very different things.
Speaker 3: Being charismatic and being the kid who can walk into
Speaker 3: a party and have everybody's attention is different than than
Speaker 3: someone handing you a scene and cold reading hitting the beats,
Speaker 3: knowing how to break down a scene. That's a talent
Speaker 3: that's innate, and that's something I think you're born with.
Speaker 3: It's just like singing. If you have the talent, you
Speaker 3: can get better at it. If you don't, you can
Speaker 3: work all day.
Speaker 1: But you're the way you're talking about this, I think
Speaker 1: I want to reverse it in mind that you're you're
Speaker 1: I think you're born with charisma or like a likability factor,
Speaker 1: and then you have to work hard to get the
Speaker 1: actual like acting skill. No see, and I disagree one
Speaker 1: hundred percent.
Speaker 3: That's why there's people that are two and three and
Speaker 3: four years old that used to be on Star Sarch
Speaker 3: five years old that could grab a microphone and sing.
Speaker 3: That's not something they learned at three years old, Tiger Woods.
Speaker 3: There's an innate talent that is inbred in you that
Speaker 3: then can be cultivated.
Speaker 1: But and then and then you can get it.
Speaker 3: We can get into conversations of healthy cultivation versus unhealthy cultivation,
Speaker 3: but if you can't sing, your mom and dad can
Speaker 3: beat you up forever. You ain't never going to learn
Speaker 3: how to sing.
Speaker 1: I definitely unders I definitely agree in terms of pitch,
Speaker 1: like the ability to hear like your ear, you know,
Speaker 1: or carry a tune. There's plenty of people who just
Speaker 1: can't sing. I don't know, man, I am that's fine.
Speaker 1: I'm going to think about it some more because I'm
Speaker 1: pleased to do. I'm not completely against you. I just
Speaker 1: I gotta like absorb and think about these None of
Speaker 1: this has anything to do with Traders exactly. Episode seven,
Speaker 1: the Black Banquet. Okay, so back to our meta you
Speaker 1: know what meta information conversation. You sort of insinuated before
Speaker 1: we watched this episode that there was going to be
Speaker 1: some big bombshell they were supposed to be. Was talking
Speaker 1: about this for months, but there wasn't nothing. Nothing really
Speaker 1: that Okay, no, it was. It was a fun episode.
Speaker 1: It was a great episode. If anything, the bomb show
Speaker 1: is that the faithful or finally learning how to play
Speaker 1: the game. But they're only learning how to play the
Speaker 1: game because they're listening to the Trader. I know. So,
Speaker 1: how does Rob compare to the Traders of the past,
Speaker 1: because he's I.
Speaker 3: Personally think he's the best player I've ever seen. I
Speaker 3: think he's phenomenal at this.
Speaker 1: Every time I think, like last time, I thought he
Speaker 1: was slipping a little turning on Lisa because of his reign.
Speaker 1: But now I'm like, dude, this guy's like he is
Speaker 1: poised to just crush everybody in this game.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and I don't know if he's brilliant, which
Speaker 3: I think he is, or everyone else is just terrible,
Speaker 3: which I think is possible. Every time I hear like
Speaker 3: Tara Lepinski where she's like, I'm gonna go with my gut,
Speaker 3: I'm like, that's going to be wrong, I know. So
Speaker 3: you know, there's some people that just don't have that instinct.
Speaker 3: And he is crushing it.
Speaker 1: He is crushing it. So Okay. So they left us
Speaker 1: hanging last time with this idea that they had to
Speaker 1: at this banquet do a murder and playing sight with
Speaker 1: the amulet, which I love this whole setup. This is
Speaker 1: so fun. It's like it's just murder mystery party stuff.
Speaker 1: I love it. And the favorite Yes, But man, I
Speaker 1: thought I thought the outfits this is I mean, this
Speaker 1: is it. They have like this opera music and everybody
Speaker 1: gets an entrance and man and the outfits, my god. Okay,
Speaker 1: Candice in the gold juice dress. Okay, I thought it
Speaker 1: was more Egyptian, but you're going Medusa I thought it
Speaker 1: was like snakes. I thought it was it could have
Speaker 1: been Egyptian, but it was like what are you were
Speaker 1: going to could look at it. I kept just being like,
Speaker 1: who's wearing that thing? And then oh my god? And
Speaker 1: then Lisa in this like sailor. I'm just gonna say it.
Speaker 1: She looked like the State Puff marshmallow man. It was like,
Speaker 1: and she's like this, she looks like that, She's all
Speaker 1: puffed up and she's like, I'm rocking room. I was like,
Speaker 1: with laughter, what's happening? What's happening? Because remember he has
Speaker 1: like a doily thing over he's like just and she
Speaker 1: has like that with the am you letter on a
Speaker 1: class on it. I was dying. I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, it's yeah, yeah, Lisa State Puff can rena.
Speaker 3: State puff State I am stuff puff.
Speaker 1: Alright, So she zeros in on Yam Yam, Kristen or
Speaker 1: Natalie and uh we you know, they insinuate that she
Speaker 1: kind of targets them all, so we don't get to
Speaker 1: know who got murdered. Did you have any guesses at
Speaker 1: this point who she was? Who she was?
Speaker 3: I figured she was actually going to go for, uh,
Speaker 3: your your favorite Natalie Natalie. I thought she was gonna
Speaker 3: I thought she was gonna hit up Natalie. But at
Speaker 3: the same time, she was like, see, this is where
Speaker 3: I would think to myself. If I got voted last week,
Speaker 3: I was one vote away from from leaving, then your
Speaker 3: time is numbered. So take out the person you want
Speaker 3: to take out as even just a few and that
Speaker 3: would have been Colton. She's like, YO would have come
Speaker 3: back on me. It doesn't matter. Your time is numbered.
Speaker 3: When that many people are already thinking about you, You're
Speaker 3: not going to change seven people's minds. So just take
Speaker 3: out the biggest player that you want to take out
Speaker 3: and and go out with a revenge killing because you're
Speaker 3: you're done, essentially, you got one day left.
Speaker 1: That's an interesting move. So I thought she should have
Speaker 1: gone for Kristen, because Kristin, I think, is a good player,
Speaker 1: and she's flying under the radar. She's so cool. I know,
Speaker 1: I just want to keep seeing her. Honestly, that's what
Speaker 1: I assumed that she had done. I thought she just
Speaker 1: went for Kristen because m has already been like discussed
Speaker 1: about being you know, murderer, Like he's not really a
Speaker 1: threat in any way, Like you want to keep him around, Yeah,
Speaker 1: whereas like Kristin is like a Kristin and Natalie are
Speaker 1: both trying to be strategic in ways. Yeah, yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's tough.
Speaker 3: It's tough because it's, yeah, I don't know what you're
Speaker 3: what you're playing, who you're playing against, what the point is.
Speaker 3: And they also made it look like any time anybody
Speaker 3: could have just walked up and been like hey, nice broach,
Speaker 3: like you know, could have killed anybody just randomly by accident.
Speaker 3: So it's yeah, they I think the idea of don't
Speaker 3: touch anybody, don't do anything, it was the smart way
Speaker 3: to go.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that didn't that didn't last, all right, So
Speaker 1: that the group sits down for dinner and Alan shows
Speaker 1: up looking like Liberaci's chandelier, Oh my god, ripping and
Speaker 1: jewels and jeweled kilts on the side. It was just, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is my favorite. Elton John would have looked at
Speaker 1: him and been like, you know what, buddy, little much,
Speaker 1: just a little bit.
Speaker 3: My friend, pull it back a little bit, my friend. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but he's fabulous, and I just want to have a
Speaker 3: cup of coffee with him, I really do.
Speaker 1: He goes. He goes on to tell the story of James,
Speaker 1: the second King James, and that they're gonna murder somebody
Speaker 1: right there, or that somebody's already been murdered, and then twist,
Speaker 1: he explains that the group has the ability for two
Speaker 1: saves with this with an antidote and a magic elixir.
Speaker 1: Now you're talking my world. Yeah, I was so into this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was great. I was like, this is a great
Speaker 1: twist and like that that makes the whole murder and
Speaker 1: playing sight even more interesting. Although you know what we
Speaker 1: gotta do.
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm sorry, but I'm just thinking about we've
Speaker 3: got to do get all of our nineties friends together
Speaker 3: and do a nineties home game one night Traders. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: like we'll get everybody step by step, full house. Yeah,
Speaker 3: just do rounds of murder family matters. We'll just get
Speaker 3: everybody and we'll just take each.
Speaker 1: Other off one by one.
Speaker 2: Yes, that'll be great.
Speaker 1: So pretty like immediately this devolves into chaos. Jam Jaham
Speaker 1: points to Lisa right away, which is amazing because he's right,
Speaker 1: but for the wrong reasons, because he says, you kissed me,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean, I don't know if that's just
Speaker 1: an instinctive thing or if he really did just thought
Speaker 1: thought the kiss was weird. What he had actually done
Speaker 1: is touched her clasp, which didn't remember about a perfect
Speaker 1: nobody even mentioned it again, I know, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: they never caught it. No, yeah, And and then they
Speaker 1: really they zeroed in on, you know, jam To have
Speaker 1: said the kiss thing, which was right, but then kind
Speaker 1: of got railroaded by everybody else pointing out the food situation.
Speaker 1: And I thought, uh, you know, Kristen had been eaten
Speaker 1: eating off a tray, Tara had been had eaten turkey
Speaker 1: that she didn't or she that she didn't want. Is
Speaker 1: a good way of thinking, Like that's evidence, you know
Speaker 1: it is. And then Natalie had also been served. But man,
Speaker 1: she fought for that. And this is when it clicked
Speaker 1: to me, Oh, if you're a trader, the best move
Speaker 1: to do is just insist on. You got to get
Speaker 1: that anidote, and none of them did, none of them did.
Speaker 1: I was like, guys, you got it, you know, but
Speaker 1: it did backfire and Natalie that she went for. But like,
Speaker 1: if I saw Natalie going that strong, then I would
Speaker 1: probably make a case for myself and then back down
Speaker 1: and let her go. You know. But like, if you're
Speaker 1: a trader. It's a good it's a good sign that
Speaker 1: you're a trader if you want the antidote.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, but it's also it just this this
Speaker 3: night more than you know any so far, and especially
Speaker 3: around the table so far shows that one of the
Speaker 3: main characters in this show is paranoia, and it's just
Speaker 3: so great where you're just so it's like what wasting
Speaker 3: but you you held your fork in your left hand,
Speaker 3: and before you held your for you'd.
Speaker 1: Just be thinking of everything. It would be so like
Speaker 1: every minutia, it would be crazy, so bad because I
Speaker 1: just tap out. It's not worth it. Like like later
Speaker 1: in this episode when they're watching Rob's doing his whole
Speaker 1: like lying thing, I'm like, I would never be able
Speaker 1: to do this, Like I just think he also did
Speaker 1: it right. He is a human detective, this guy. But
Speaker 1: that was actually the what I thought too. But I
Speaker 1: thought it was it was so bad that it was
Speaker 1: like she couldn't have been that obvious, and it was
Speaker 1: it was that we'll get there, Yeah, we'll get that.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Natalie makes a big scene just kind of
Speaker 1: grabs the antidote and downs it under the time pressure
Speaker 1: and then yeah, Jam Jam is murdered and the guards
Speaker 1: drag him away and he immediately is like like dragging
Speaker 1: him to the gallows. Just totally sealed her fate.
Speaker 3: It's the best, though, to be able to see the
Speaker 3: faithful being pulled out, like getting to interact where they
Speaker 3: can point to someone like you get it.
Speaker 1: You know, such a big move.
Speaker 3: So my guess, and I could totally be wrong, but
Speaker 3: my guess is that was thing.
Speaker 1: That Alan was talking about. Alan was talking about being
Speaker 1: dragged out, being able to talk and yelling this is
Speaker 1: who did it? This is who did it? Is probably
Speaker 1: the one he was talking about. Yeah, yeah, it had
Speaker 1: to be right. Yeah, Well, Kristen's argument was about this
Speaker 1: card flipping thing, which made a lot of sense. So
Speaker 1: she got to drink the antidote and then breakfast next morning.
Speaker 3: Wait wait, first of aught to talking about Tara Lipinsk
Speaker 3: who was can pin it was absolutely convinced that she
Speaker 3: was going to die. Yes, so she was like and again,
Speaker 3: so far every instinct this this woman has had is wrong,
Speaker 3: every single one.
Speaker 1: Well. I also thought that Jam Jam would have made
Speaker 1: more of a scene, like because he said the thing
Speaker 1: about Lisa. But he's one he's thought that he's going
Speaker 1: to get murdered. Every remember, he cried, He's like really
Speaker 1: been worried about it all the time. So I thought
Speaker 1: he was just gonna give me the editor please, They're
Speaker 1: definitely gonna take me out. But he didn't. He just
Speaker 1: cut good.
Speaker 3: And it happens later too, because I watched it with
Speaker 3: Susan and Sue was like, I don't think Natalie understands
Speaker 3: that they're not actually going to kill her like it,
Speaker 3: cause she.
Speaker 1: Takes takes it so seriously. She's so scared about it.
Speaker 3: That's like you realize you're just off the show, right,
Speaker 3: you don't get like brought into a back room and stabbed.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was it's like she's not actually gonna die.
Speaker 1: She gets it all right. So Breakfast the next morning
Speaker 1: they just have the traders so they can how wow smart.
Speaker 1: And this is when you know, the first sort of
Speaker 1: confrontation about Rob, you know, turning on Lisa. He defends
Speaker 1: his vote admirably, I think, and I think he's right.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I still think when you have and I would love
Speaker 3: to have seen which what I was, what I would
Speaker 3: have done. I would love to have seen him have
Speaker 3: find a moment with Candace just the two of them
Speaker 3: where he's.
Speaker 1: Like, look, six people voted for her. She's done. Yes,
Speaker 1: anybody who defends her now is going to be thought
Speaker 1: to be a trader. She's dragging us down. Let's cut ties.
Speaker 1: Knows that Candace and Lisa are just too tight. No,
Speaker 1: but yeah, because if she because all it would take
Speaker 1: is him to say that, and then Candace goes to
Speaker 1: Lisa and then they the two of them work the
Speaker 1: roundtable to banish him, and then I get that it
Speaker 1: would have backfired, and I think Candace, Candace wants to
Speaker 1: win bad enough to be I think she would have
Speaker 1: listened if he's like, look, nobody said your name, nobody
Speaker 1: said my name.
Speaker 3: Six people voted for her. She's a sea anchor right now,
Speaker 3: we've got to cut her loose. So the whole ship
Speaker 3: is going down. And I think she would have I
Speaker 3: think she would have understood that.
Speaker 1: What's interesting, Yeah, I mean she's playing.
Speaker 3: Horribly, horribly horribly, and people are starting to call her out.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, all right, So the others, the other group,
Speaker 1: the rest of the team starts showing up in groups
Speaker 1: for breakfast. Not much to talk about because they all
Speaker 1: were there. They all just kind of rehash it. There's
Speaker 1: this whole Lisa slightly defending herself but not doing a
Speaker 1: very good job. Yes, it's just bad, It's really bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Houlton. Colton decides that he's going to like take
Speaker 1: a back seat, which I think was smart, ended up
Speaker 1: kind of not being the case because he just pounced
Speaker 1: at round table, but he did keep for the rest
Speaker 1: of most of the day. He kept like, he didn't
Speaker 1: point fingers, he stopped playing as aggressively yeah as he
Speaker 1: has been, which I thought was really.
Speaker 3: Some people and I don't want to point any fingers
Speaker 3: pointing right it myself. Some people can't not be the
Speaker 3: center of attention when they're around a group of people,
Speaker 3: and Colton's one of those people.
Speaker 1: I'm one of those people. Like I just feel like, oh, there's.
Speaker 3: A captive audience. Time to take the stage, and some
Speaker 3: people just can't. They wake up in the morning going
Speaker 3: just keep your mouth shut today, Just keep your mouth
Speaker 3: shut today.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't last. Yeah. Candice starts making moves towards Natalie,
Speaker 1: which just seems like the natural thing for her to do,
Speaker 1: and then I cannot believe the amount of misspeaking in
Speaker 1: this show. Natalie says, we murdered, and I'm like, that's
Speaker 1: like a third time this happened. This when I was
Speaker 1: a trader in the tower, had I stabbed? And then
Speaker 1: they're not traders. It's this one. She corrects herself pretty
Speaker 1: much immediately. She's like, are you vanished? And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I could now I can see that confusion, but like, guys,
Speaker 1: keep it together.
Speaker 3: Come on, And if Lisa grabbed it right away, she's like, oh,
Speaker 3: thank god, then somebody I can grab onto this.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I think my support for Natalie has been
Speaker 1: it's waning. Yeah. Really, she's not playing very well, you know,
Speaker 1: like she's just not thinking things all the way through.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, where as remember if you go back
Speaker 1: to the black banquet, Kristin the whole time was like
Speaker 1: let him fight it out, like I don't want that's
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna win like this, I don't need the potion.
Speaker 1: I'm good, and then they they grabbed it and handed
Speaker 1: it to her like no, you're taking this. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: if she was a trader, which we know she's not,
Speaker 1: she's playing it brilliantly. If she's a faithful, she's kind
Speaker 1: of voting pretty well and she's going under the radar.
Speaker 3: There's a chance that Kristen's got it, got an opportunity
Speaker 3: to be there at the end.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: In another conversation, Rob completely just throws Lisa under the
Speaker 1: bus in a great way too. He does everything so logically,
Speaker 1: and he's you know, he's basically saying like Jam Jam
Speaker 1: had no reason to lie, which is exactly right, like
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, and at the end, yeah, what he says.
Speaker 3: It's the end at the roundtable where he's like, look,
Speaker 3: I'm a faithful. I know I'm a faithful. I'm the
Speaker 3: only one I know for a fact is a faithful.
Speaker 3: The only other person I one hundred percent know is
Speaker 3: Jam Jam. And it's like brilliant. He's like, you know,
Speaker 3: because I got to talk to somebody who's obviously a
Speaker 3: faithful as they're being led to the gallows.
Speaker 1: And I should listen to that part, and that's the
Speaker 1: person I should listen to. And it's a good argument.
Speaker 1: Oh it's so great, it's so great. Yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: the thing for for me at Lisa's entire defense this
Speaker 1: whole day is like why didn't she just say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I kissed him, but I kissed everybody like she does this,
Speaker 1: like she does this half thing where she says I
Speaker 1: didn't or what does she say? She says, I air
Speaker 1: kissed A kiss kiss, I air kiss everybody, right, and
Speaker 1: it's like saying that she actually kiss kissed him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so why I she might.
Speaker 1: She should have just been like, I don't remember that,
Speaker 1: maybe I did. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I kissed some people I did. And that's when Candice
Speaker 3: then should have jumped in and be like, well you
Speaker 3: kiss me on it she too. Instead of her saying oh, no,
Speaker 3: you air kissed me and backing up the lie, right,
Speaker 3: she should have backed up jam Jam by saying no,
Speaker 3: she kissed me too, so it can't be that because
Speaker 3: then I'd be dead too, So that's how you protect
Speaker 3: your trader.
Speaker 1: But she didn't. She went the other way, right. It's
Speaker 1: like she and if Lisa had just said I definitely
Speaker 1: kissed him, but I'm you know, because she sets it
Speaker 1: up so it's her word against jam Jam basically as
Speaker 1: opposed to like she said, I only air kissed him,
Speaker 1: and then it's like, well then you're you're either he's
Speaker 1: completely lying and he's the one that died, so yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know ma'am.
Speaker 3: So that's like, yeah, yeah, no, she kissed me too,
Speaker 3: like yeah, and then I bet you because Direnda seems
Speaker 3: like she's like everyone has to wake up in the
Speaker 3: morning and remind her she's there. Yeah, I think Direnda
Speaker 3: probably would have been like she kissed me exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: Dinda and Tara are by far like the weaker players,
Speaker 1: sort of like going with the group, y'am making any moves,
Speaker 1: not even trying.
Speaker 3: But that's Derinda is just there, like a leaf on
Speaker 3: the wind, like kind of just there.
Speaker 1: And again, you got a poker to go like, hey.
Speaker 3: We're in a game, whereas Tara is trying and just
Speaker 3: everything she's doing is wrong.
Speaker 1: So it's like, I love it.
Speaker 3: She'll stand up, she'll be like, so here's what I think,
Speaker 3: And before she even says it, I'm like, it's gonna
Speaker 3: be exactly the opposite of what's actually happening.
Speaker 1: So yeah, her.
Speaker 3: And Johnny playing a much different game. They're they're trying
Speaker 3: to pow their way into our lives and I'm not
Speaker 3: sure it's working.
Speaker 1: And then the mission and this one it starts off
Speaker 1: and I was like ready to like get the convoluted speech,
Speaker 1: but It actually starts off pretty simple. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: we get the gold running up the hill. Whoever has
Speaker 1: the most goal? I was like great, and then it's like, nope,
Speaker 1: dagger earns just again. You can throw every third piece
Speaker 1: of gold at everything, the gold back into the pocket
Speaker 1: and if you see Ale and he.
Speaker 4: Gets and what is happening after to bring the gold
Speaker 4: you must smelt it, bring it down and make a
Speaker 4: small statue of an earn.
Speaker 1: The must be given to the third trait of his cousin. Like,
Speaker 1: what the hell is happening? I know, man, he's like
Speaker 1: the best, But this whole notion of a dagger is
Speaker 1: really cool.
Speaker 3: That's I think this was last year too. I think
Speaker 3: they did maybe not, I don't know. They all blamed.
Speaker 1: I figure, I don't remember someone getting to very survivor
Speaker 1: ish because survival you get an extra vote. That that's
Speaker 1: like I been an old survivor rule that people people
Speaker 1: can get that. So yeah, I thought this was really interesting.
Speaker 1: And then when they yeah, when it started and it
Speaker 1: was just like a race, I was like, this is
Speaker 1: kind of an unfair you know exactly, Like Lisa points out,
Speaker 1: She's like, we got football player players, Yeah, we got
Speaker 1: guys in their like late twenties.
Speaker 3: I'm not putting my fake gold on Derinda. I gotta
Speaker 3: be honest with you. So it's you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's like, if I got to gamble, I'm going to
Speaker 3: go with the guy who catches alligators by hand.
Speaker 1: And they didn't explain the game very well because the
Speaker 1: idea at the end that you could put your yes,
Speaker 1: so you like, do you think they knew that and
Speaker 1: we just didn't know it? Or did none of them
Speaker 1: know that? Maybe I don't know. I don't know how
Speaker 1: it didn't seem like because I know each other and
Speaker 1: been like, i'll give you all my gold. Let's let's
Speaker 1: put you know, like I'll give you my gold and
Speaker 1: you promised to you know, they could have made alliances,
Speaker 1: but instead they just have to like get up there
Speaker 1: with their gold and see how it goes. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was a weird, weird little but I love the dagger element.
Speaker 1: I think that's a cool And the way he played
Speaker 1: it too at the end is so brilliant. He's every move.
Speaker 5: This guy's making is the right one, all right.
Speaker 1: So Lisa gives her gold to Stephen and yeah, and
Speaker 1: then anyway, Rob gets the most gold, which is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: What an amazing move, like just and so likable, so likable,
Speaker 1: and he's now gotten traders out. So everybody's like this
Speaker 1: is yeah, this is the guy like he is saying
Speaker 1: well yeah. So then they do this weird like round
Speaker 1: table of tablets, which I again I was like, why
Speaker 1: couldn't the person who has the dagger just say to Rob,
Speaker 1: I have it. I'm not lying, I'm not gonna lie
Speaker 1: to you. You can take it from me. I'll give it
Speaker 1: to you because I want to be honest with you.
Speaker 1: I'm a faithful and I have the dagger. Wouldn't you
Speaker 1: have been a good move? Well that's what he did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm brilliant. Once he has it, he's like, let's be
Speaker 1: impact and we won't tell anybody.
Speaker 3: And he's like, hey, I just want you all to
Speaker 3: know I'm a faithful I have the dagger.
Speaker 1: But if you're a faithful, why would you ever lie
Speaker 1: to another faithful? And you make that your game and
Speaker 1: in this moment right like you just get the dagger.
Speaker 1: If you have it, you say I do have the
Speaker 1: dagger and you can have it, Rob, because that's how
Speaker 1: how like committed I am to being convincing you that faithful.
Speaker 3: And it's also everyone thinks he's a faithful too, so
Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, I'm giving it to the most powerful one.
Speaker 3: This guy's obviously commands a lot of weight. I have
Speaker 3: a dagger take it.
Speaker 1: We're good. Yeah, yeah, I'm But I don't know that's
Speaker 1: That's the only move I've come up with in this
Speaker 1: entire season so far I think is a good move,
Speaker 1: and I think this is the only good move because
Speaker 1: the whole line thing I'm just bad at. I don't
Speaker 1: know why. That's the same time to showcase, Natalie knows.
Speaker 3: Her name has been thrown out, so she wants every
Speaker 3: edge that she could possibly get, so getting that second
Speaker 3: vote could have kept her in the game.
Speaker 1: This is a game that's set up for them to
Speaker 1: lie to each other in a bigger game with the
Speaker 1: whole point so you lose this smaller game to win
Speaker 1: the bigger game, you know what I mean exactly what
Speaker 1: Rob does what he wins it. But it's just it
Speaker 1: was a weird setup to me. I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't think they're thinking this through all the way. They're
Speaker 1: like doing this poker standoff and it's like but that's
Speaker 1: actually about your ability to lie. Like that's not a
Speaker 1: good thing to showcase. It's weird. I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's there's so many moves within moves. If I was Natalie,
Speaker 1: I would point to this and say, see, he called
Speaker 1: me in a moment that I lied. I'm such a
Speaker 1: bad liar. I am a faithful You can trust me
Speaker 1: because you know, like she used this to your advantage,
Speaker 1: like I'm a shitty liar, which she kind of is.
Speaker 1: She actually would be a great way. Yeah, she's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not mine. Yep, I don't have it. I don't
Speaker 1: know about you won't make eye contact. Stephen was the
Speaker 1: other one. I was thinking because he did a weird
Speaker 1: like shed shake right when he looks like, no, let
Speaker 1: me let me show you how much I'm not. I
Speaker 1: don't have the tag. I don't have it. I was like,
Speaker 1: But when she went through that, I was like, would
Speaker 1: it be that obvious? And it turns out it is
Speaker 1: some people. I mean, it was cool. I thought Rob
Speaker 1: had at least us strategy. I don't know if I
Speaker 1: believe that you can always tell if people are lying
Speaker 1: that easily. I don't know if I can.
Speaker 3: I mean He's like, I'm a human lie detector. Oh no, see,
Speaker 3: I don't trust everybody. I am pretty good with knowing
Speaker 3: people are lying.
Speaker 1: Really. Yeah, yeah, there have definitely been people that I
Speaker 1: feel like are are bad actors in life, you know, like,
Speaker 1: but usually it's just about their ability to express themselves.
Speaker 1: It's not about like subterfuge or no.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, but you don't pick up on a lot
Speaker 3: of it. I mean literally, literally, nothing I've told you
Speaker 3: about myself is true in the thirty years I've known you.
Speaker 1: Really, it's a single long cone, not a single thing. Yes, yes, so,
Speaker 1: and you haven't picked up on a single actress. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you've been Truman showing my entire entire friendship has been
Speaker 1: fake and none of this is real. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: what a movie. It's a long game, my friend. All right.
Speaker 1: So then yeah, Rob does this great thing, tells them
Speaker 1: all he has a dagger, and they you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: they make this pack and then he tries to rally
Speaker 1: against Lisa. Uh does it with man vax, He does
Speaker 1: it with facts. It's brilliant.
Speaker 3: It's he's and he's just he's going like, look, I'm
Speaker 3: I'm just taking emotion out of everything.
Speaker 1: And if I just look at this, this and this,
Speaker 1: it just points to her. But you guys, do whatever
Speaker 1: you want. And it's just kind of the way that
Speaker 1: he does it is so perfect, so brilliant. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's basically what the roundtable, you know, I mean Colton,
Speaker 1: who's already sort of given the Lisa argument and they
Speaker 1: knew it was coming, and he, you know, he delivers that.
Speaker 1: Johnny immediately begins his Natalie argument. He says, because they
Speaker 1: couldn't both be cursed, which is because they were both
Speaker 1: served the freight, right, right, and yet she insisted on herself,
Speaker 1: and so you know which is It's it's an argument.
Speaker 1: It makes sense, right, like, yeah, you protested too much
Speaker 1: to get that antidote, which would have been a good
Speaker 1: move if you're a trader. But Colton's Lisa argument is good.
Speaker 1: And then Rob turns.
Speaker 3: Been but he also they say, do you okay, the
Speaker 3: person with the dagger, raise your hand if you want
Speaker 3: to cast two votes tonight, and he just keeps his
Speaker 3: mouth shut.
Speaker 1: And it's brilliant because now he's got it in his
Speaker 1: back pocket and he's got he's got alliance with six
Speaker 1: people who are keeping his secret with him. He's in
Speaker 1: such a good position, he's doing so well. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I mean the really ridiculous thing is what Canvas does
Speaker 1: by voting for him. Dumbest need move you can make.
Speaker 1: What are you thinking, like when you see where this
Speaker 1: is going, you turn on Lisa immediately, yep, because or
Speaker 1: stick with your Natalie vote because you've been making arguments,
Speaker 1: but you know that Natalie is not the trader, so
Speaker 1: you're just She instead pulls this weird like protest move
Speaker 1: that only one person is going to understand, Rob, So
Speaker 1: all you're doing is pissing off the one person who
Speaker 1: knows your secret. Yes, it's really literally the dumbest thing
Speaker 1: she could have possibly done. It would have been safer
Speaker 1: to just stick with the Natalie argument, vote for Natalie,
Speaker 1: or turn on Lisa because that's the move. Yes, so
Speaker 1: she's alienated everybody in like one stupid vote. It was
Speaker 1: truly astounding how bad of a move that was.
Speaker 3: That's why I would love to have had the scene
Speaker 3: where he goes to her and it's like, I'm telling you,
Speaker 3: Lisa's gone.
Speaker 1: She's gone.
Speaker 3: Whether you vote for or not, she's going to be gone,
Speaker 3: and so vote for her. Let's get some goodwill. Let's
Speaker 3: keep going, and then you and I move forward together.
Speaker 1: It's one nice forget how were they they were? I
Speaker 1: know they're both housewives, but were they friends? Like in
Speaker 1: real life before this? They just haven't allegis for each
Speaker 1: other because their housewise correct. Okay, I thought they explained
Speaker 1: it in the beginning.
Speaker 3: If we did a give, we did a game where
Speaker 3: you know, it was boy meets World against full house.
Speaker 3: Chances are we try to get a little bit of
Speaker 3: for full house people before.
Speaker 1: We vote for Oh no, I get those people out.
Speaker 1: Danielle Fisher. We all voted for Danielle starting TV star.
Speaker 1: I am right strong. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: If there's only one ninety star, we both be sitting
Speaker 3: there going like wow, Mark Paul Gosler played a really
Speaker 3: good game.
Speaker 1: Uh, And then it's worth noting Derinda votes for Moira
Speaker 1: for I feel.
Speaker 3: Like it's the only name of the people she actually
Speaker 3: knew around the table, even the people she's.
Speaker 1: Known, like the way she says her teas voting for
Speaker 1: more Tink.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, it was weird. There's some there's some weirdness going.
Speaker 1: It ends with Lisa getting banished, and at this point,
Speaker 1: if I understand correctly, they can enlist a new trader.
Speaker 1: I think yes, I mean it's it's not up to them.
Speaker 3: So sometimes like what happened the last time, was they
Speaker 3: they were down a trader or maybe two at the
Speaker 3: time because they're down to technically because of the secret trader, right,
Speaker 3: but they don't know that that was the secret trader.
Speaker 3: They just know that two traders are out. And so
Speaker 3: the last time, I believe, then Alan coming comes up
Speaker 3: to the turret and goes like, you must now take
Speaker 3: the coin of misery to the vial of truth and
Speaker 3: you must put it in that She No, they have
Speaker 3: to pick, they have to approach a new trader, Okay,
Speaker 3: Because if that's the case, I would say if they
Speaker 3: got Colton right now, they would have the most amazing
Speaker 3: trader team because all the heats because Colton just bagged
Speaker 3: Lisa and he's finally proven that he is like a
Speaker 3: great everyone everyone yeah, no, everyone thinks Colton is still
Speaker 3: there's still too much heat on him. He's still gonna
Speaker 3: have names at every single roundtable. I would instantly go
Speaker 3: to Kristin or Mark Ballas and be like, I want
Speaker 3: you to come be it because no one would suspect
Speaker 3: him or Eric, But I don't think Eric would be
Speaker 3: a good trader, where I think Kristin would be a
Speaker 3: really good trader because she's just so under the radar
Speaker 3: and doing everything no one's really mentioned her. Colton's gonna
Speaker 3: Colton can't win. He's got a day or two left.
Speaker 3: He's gonna be voted out. Really, I got to see that.
Speaker 1: I'm so bad at this. I was really thinking that
Speaker 1: it would be a good move because Colton's had the
Speaker 1: heat on him, He's been wrong. He's finally getting right.
Speaker 1: I feel like now is when people that have been
Speaker 1: flying under the radar start looking more suspicious, so that
Speaker 1: I feel like the game's gonna start turning on your Kristen,
Speaker 1: your Eric, you know. And then and Colton, having played
Speaker 1: so hard up front, has kind of gotten away with
Speaker 1: it because all the heats off of him. Right now,
Speaker 1: he got somebody right. He's really happy about it. He
Speaker 1: made the argument that started the Lisa argument, stuck with
Speaker 1: it was right. That's when you turn around and go,
Speaker 1: now you're one of us. Maybe, but you know, he's
Speaker 1: starting to pull people aside again, going like, hey, you
Speaker 1: know who it is, who I think it is? Now?
Speaker 1: See you keep playing too hard, and it's like, dude,
Speaker 1: stop trying to tell people who they should vote for,
Speaker 1: because everyone's just gonna be like he's dictating the game.
Speaker 1: He's got to go right. And that's what I think
Speaker 1: is gonna happen. Whereas kristin under the Radar, she says, oh, chef,
Speaker 1: she looks great in the coat. But so what now
Speaker 1: actually happens? Because these two traders are not working together,
Speaker 1: they kind of have to see.
Speaker 3: We're gonna have to see they'll have to pick someone
Speaker 3: murder that they'll have to work together on. But then
Speaker 3: they'll underneath they're going to be trading the traders, the
Speaker 3: old double team, the old switcheroo.
Speaker 1: But wait, how do you pick? How do you pick
Speaker 1: somebody in murder? If you both disagree?
Speaker 3: My guess is Alan Cummings will be like, yeah, you
Speaker 3: must decide how you would do you know it's you're
Speaker 3: gonna have to pick.
Speaker 1: Somebody kill this coach whoever.
Speaker 3: The truth will be if you can hold down the
Speaker 3: hags of truth, your vomit will show the trader.
Speaker 1: You must eat all the smoke salmon. It's like Game
Speaker 1: of Thrones where it's like you gotta eat the entire
Speaker 1: horse's heart. And yeah, I mean this is a red
Speaker 1: wedding homage. They were given some some serious red wedding vibes.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, all right, Well are you so? I
Speaker 1: gotta ask every week though you're are you? Are you
Speaker 1: off of her? Now? Who who you think? It's all right?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 1: Who you don't think Natalie anymore? Who you think is
Speaker 1: going to win the whole thing? Kristin? Oh no, sorry,
Speaker 1: I mean of the faithfuls. I mean Christen's the best player.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, who do you think at the end of
Speaker 1: the day? Do you still right now? Rob is just
Speaker 1: killing I agree? I agree. I mean he's turned out
Speaker 1: to be a masterful player, and he keeps evolving, do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like it's not like it's
Speaker 1: not like there's only one move. He's now done multiple
Speaker 1: moves in different directions, and they've they've worked really well.
Speaker 3: He's clearly a chess player. He's thinking three moves ahead.
Speaker 3: And it is one of those things they always say.
Speaker 3: The analogy is you can tell that the great chess players,
Speaker 3: especially when they're playing somebody who's playing checkers and it
Speaker 3: looks like everybody else is playing checkers and he's playing chess.
Speaker 3: It just he stands out. He's great at this. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's crazy, absolutely crazy. And before we go any farther,
Speaker 3: of course, you know that I'm a scholar of dance.
Speaker 1: We've talked about this.
Speaker 3: Of course, I'm also a scholar of some of the
Speaker 3: most famous traders in history. And this segment has beautifully
Speaker 3: been called a will a history the Traders and stuff
Speaker 3: and history and Traders. I was trying it as a rap.
Speaker 1: It might not a hip hop opening, you know, it's
Speaker 1: like very like Schoolhouse Rocky. I was kind of going
Speaker 1: trying to like nineties vibe baby seas are cool. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: so yeah, a comma breaks up the sentence for you
Speaker 1: like that overalls on a backwards hate. It's like you're oh,
Speaker 1: it's like your rap, you did this, Yes, exactly, this
Speaker 1: is kid Fresh, I'm kid and play.
Speaker 3: Today's famous trader from history is somebody named King. I'm
Speaker 3: staying this wrong, King who from ten ninety to eleven
Speaker 3: fifty five.
Speaker 1: Now I can be saying it wrong if it's just
Speaker 1: from your at the top of your head.
Speaker 3: It's because in my head I transcribe it all in visual,
Speaker 3: so I can see him perfectly. But my pronunciation isn't
Speaker 3: always the best, but I paint with words, right, Kin
Speaker 3: Who he was a minute stir with the Song dynasty
Speaker 3: in twelfth century China.
Speaker 1: And at the time, I don't know if you're aware
Speaker 1: of this, writer, but the Jr.
Speaker 3: Chin tribes occupying the northern territories of China, they captured
Speaker 3: the Song Emperor. And when the Song general you Fe
Speaker 3: tried to reconquer the territory and reinstall the emperor to
Speaker 3: the throne, can Who he stopped him and had him executed.
Speaker 3: And for this can Who he is still regarded as
Speaker 3: a trader in China, to the point where in the
Speaker 3: region where Fay is buried there are statues of Kin
Speaker 3: and his wife bound and on their knees, where people
Speaker 3: can express their displeasure at his treasonous ways.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm not sure if you're aware of that,
Speaker 1: but no, yes, Mount Rushmore of Shame. Yeah, exactly, there
Speaker 1: you go. Your statue is you bound and tied up?
Speaker 3: Literally, let's just say, in my head on a computer machine,
Speaker 3: I'm looking at the statue and it's not a good.
Speaker 6: Statue in your memory, right in my memory, let's just
Speaker 6: say it is a man and woman on their knees
Speaker 6: bound with their heads down, surrounded by spikes, and people
Speaker 6: apparently walk by and spit on it and have their
Speaker 6: pleasure displeasure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not a good statue to have.
Speaker 3: I'll take you know, plays of squirrels or a phenie
Speaker 3: call or something like that for my statue from a.
Speaker 1: Thousand years from now. All right, Well that's it for
Speaker 1: this episode of Pod meets Twirld. Alliances were tested, trust misplaced,
Speaker 1: and once again we've been left with a cliffhanger. Join
Speaker 1: us next time as we continue our journey through season
Speaker 1: four of Traders, a show in which, as Shakespeare said
Speaker 1: in his Scottish play, fair is foul and foul is
Speaker 1: fair