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Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership

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Speaker 1: with Resent Choice Media.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Well come, well come, well come, welcome.

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Speaker 1: Hey, fam, We hope you had an amazing Christmas and

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Speaker 1: also happy Kwansa and just happy holidays, but whatever you're

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Speaker 1: celebrating during this time of year. For this week's episode,

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Speaker 1: we're going to do something a little different. We're broadcasting

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Speaker 1: a very special holiday segment and a couple of our

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Speaker 1: favorite mini pods from throughout the year that will help

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Speaker 1: you get through these times that can be challenging for

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Speaker 1: some of you for many reasons. Maybe you've lost somebody,

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Speaker 1: maybe you're going through a breakup. Maybe you have political

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Speaker 1: strife and disagreement in your family, maybe you have a

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Speaker 1: beef with friends. Whatever you're going through, you are welcome

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Speaker 1: home here. You have a seat at our table always,

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Speaker 1: and so we just wanted to get into a little

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Speaker 1: conversation and talk about how to manage those challenging times

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Speaker 1: and take a look back at some of our favorite

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Speaker 1: conversations from the year.

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Speaker 3: So pull up a chair and join us.

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Speaker 1: All right, I know, I'll be honest. For me, the

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Speaker 1: holidays are definitely challenging, but for a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: It's a very joyful times. I don't want to act

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Speaker 1: like it's all doom and gloom for everybody. This year

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Speaker 1: maybe felt a little different for a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: But Andrew, what about you?

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Speaker 3: Are you? You have little ones?

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Speaker 4: Though?

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Speaker 1: I feel like little ones always bring an element of

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Speaker 1: joy to the holidays.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, bring an element of something. I broke empty wallet,

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Speaker 5: you know, you know the exactly except I'm calling all

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Speaker 5: three of them by name, likely the wrong ones, but anyway,

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Speaker 5: you know, the holidays absolutely shifted for me with and

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Speaker 5: I think Jay would reflect the same with kids, because

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Speaker 5: it went from being about what I was going to

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Speaker 5: get her and what she was going to get me,

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Speaker 5: and what we were getting our parents and siblings and whatnot,

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Speaker 5: to like, how do we make this very special for

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Speaker 5: the kids? I mean, we've created our own set of

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Speaker 5: traditions around it, right like the day after Thanksgiving, the

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Speaker 5: kids are like on me Ddy, the tree, the lights,

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Speaker 5: And they are as much a part of it as

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Speaker 5: as I am. In fact, they're more a part of it,

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Speaker 5: and they take great pride in that. So so much

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Speaker 5: of it for our household has shifted to be you know,

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Speaker 5: the kids centerfold. But you know I'd be lying if

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Speaker 5: I didn't, you know, also say that, you know, I

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Speaker 5: have real strong thoughts about my family members who aren't

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Speaker 5: with us, My brother Eric, who passed away actually the

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Speaker 5: year that my twins were born in a in an accident,

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Speaker 5: my father who passed away, you know, a month and

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Speaker 5: a half after my loss, and the and the governor's race,

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Speaker 5: and I have you know, regrets that are visited upon

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Speaker 5: me during that time. I also am challenged typically as

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Speaker 5: we approach the new year around like taking stock of

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Speaker 5: what I did the last year, and like, am I

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Speaker 5: proud of it? Am I let down by it? Did

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Speaker 5: I let myself down? Other people around me let down?

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Speaker 5: Am I inspired by it? Did I do so much

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Speaker 5: that I think? How am I going to top this

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Speaker 5: in the coming year? Actually, I have to say I'm

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Speaker 5: probably more triggered about the new year than I am

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Speaker 5: about you know, the sort of Christmas kwansa. You know,

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Speaker 5: you know that part of the season, that part for

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Speaker 5: me is more joyous the beginning. But as I start

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Speaker 5: to turn toward the next year, and because I am

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Speaker 5: very self critical, almost always my reflection is about how

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Speaker 5: I want to do more and better and really get

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Speaker 5: this thing done. It really hit that goal, really organize

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Speaker 5: myself differently, really pay attention to myself, or really pay

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Speaker 5: of strain, and it's probably why I don't make resolutions anymore.

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Speaker 5: Jay approaches the new year with a theme of like,

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Speaker 5: you want to center myself more or something like that.

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Speaker 5: I find those a little challenging and I absolutely find,

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Speaker 5: you know, the resolutions like just untenable for me, and

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Speaker 5: In fact, almost every New Year's evens sort of weird.

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Speaker 5: I'm either trying to get mad at something, trying to

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Speaker 5: which is like a reflection and then a projecting forward

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Speaker 6: The police is coming down the street right now for somebody.

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Speaker 5: Oh lord, not in my house.

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Speaker 6: Ten years always anyway, I've never heard it before.

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Speaker 3: The whole podcast has been going.

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Speaker 4: I just heard it now. Maybe Joe Biden is going

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Speaker 4: to free some people. But let us, let us pray

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Speaker 4: I am. You know, the holidays shifted for me. My

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Speaker 4: years ago. And my mom last year said she wanted

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Speaker 4: to have a really big Christmas because she was just

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Speaker 4: and so we did a huge Christmas.

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Speaker 6: I was exhausted for three days. I didn't want.

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Speaker 4: To feed her and everything. We cook so much food

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Speaker 4: to do, and she's just like, I don't know.

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Speaker 6: So we're gonna do something.

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Speaker 4: I know this is after Christmas, but just being full disclosure,

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Speaker 4: we record this before Christmas because we weren't gonna give

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Speaker 4: that to y'all too. But I just, you know, I'm

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Speaker 4: wrestling with what we're gonna do and wanting to make

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Speaker 4: sure that it's her way, you know. But it is hard,

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Speaker 4: and I think some of it is like aging Tip

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Speaker 4: was talking about little ones. I wanted I want little ones,

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Speaker 4: and to not have them still to be doing stuff

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Speaker 4: for Christmas is hard. But I'm so grateful for the

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Speaker 4: kids who are in my life and for the many

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Speaker 4: ways that you all make this holiday special.

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Speaker 6: And it's just time to.

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Speaker 4: Celebrate in my religion, my my faith, the coming of

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Speaker 4: the save y'all, and so I'm always happy about that.

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Speaker 4: Christmas Carols is going, lights getting put up, trees getting

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Speaker 6: You guys. I ordered a black tree. I love it.

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Speaker 6: I was very here.

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Speaker 4: Being black everything black. IM wear black uniform instead of gene.

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Speaker 4: I'm just I'm feeling real black right now. So I

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Speaker 4: even got a black tree with black ornaments. It's white lights,

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Speaker 5: I love that.

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Speaker 6: I don't know what that had to do with tips question,

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Speaker 5: Question, are y'all a white are y'all white lights or

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Speaker 1: I have no tree in my house. I used to

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Speaker 1: get a real tree and I would have my friend Mail.

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Speaker 1: He would help me carrying my tree up and decorate.

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Speaker 1: And then I'm like, why am I doing this?

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Speaker 6: Every year?

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Speaker 3: I got pines all over my floor and I got a.

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Speaker 6: Clean im not doing it.

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Speaker 3: It does, but it just became too much work.

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Speaker 6: Right, So now I don't decree water so the pine

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Speaker 6: needles don't fall as much.

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Speaker 1: No, they hurt, yeah, but even carrying it in and

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Speaker 1: out and it's just too much. And it's like I

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Speaker 1: don't have kids, Like why am I doing this? So

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Speaker 1: I really don't do any of the Christmas Day is

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Speaker 1: the day where I can binge, watch whatever I want.

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Speaker 1: I don't have the expectation that I got to respond

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Speaker 1: So it's just a day of relaxation and relief for me.

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Speaker 1: I think the sadness comes from there was a time

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Speaker 1: think that Christmas magic kind of left me and lost

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Speaker 1: with my Maybe I was around eleven or twelve when

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Speaker 1: things just happening in my family and it just didn't

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Speaker 1: feel right, you know, it didn't feel Christmas anymore. And

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Speaker 1: so I entered adulthood way before I was an actual adult.

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Speaker 1: And of course you have all these I can go

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Speaker 1: anywhere I want on Christmas, I have so many invitations,

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Speaker 1: but it's like, you know, I'm just gonna take the

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Speaker 1: day and chill. And sometimes I'll stop by people's house

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Speaker 1: and get a plate, but I really just binge, watch

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Speaker 1: movies and relax. So I get that there's some heavy

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Speaker 1: It could be heaviness to be by yourself. It could

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Speaker 1: be heaviness to be around people. I protect my peace.

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Speaker 1: That is the mode I'm in. I'm instituting boundaries and

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Speaker 1: protecting my peace and being by myself feels right. When

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Speaker 3: You know, you know I'm not.

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Speaker 5: Family.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, when was the last time year with your family?

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Speaker 1: Andrew asked, oh, oh god, how honestly?

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Speaker 3: Probably the nineties?

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Speaker 4: And I was just getting ready to say when you

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Speaker 4: were saying, oh I binge watched it, I was, okay, Tip,

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Speaker 4: you've been saying, an invitation to Seattle is about to

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Speaker 5: Got to be around Florida.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I have so many people who are like

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Speaker 1: come over like friends and like people. You know, your

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Speaker 1: friends become your family, and it's like people who in

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Speaker 1: close parks and like come over, come over. But then

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Speaker 1: myself together and it's like, no, I ain't got to

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Speaker 1: put no braw on today. I could put on my

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Speaker 1: q ol plannel pajama. I can eat whatever I want.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I order like from Joe's, like three hundred dollars

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Speaker 1: of stone cold crabs, and I'm just like, you know,

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Speaker 1: so I can enjoy myself in that way. But I

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Speaker 1: totally empathize because I'm not. I'm not sad on Christmas

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Speaker 1: and so, but I do think about people who are sad,

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Speaker 1: to be around somebody, or I'm sad because there is

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Speaker 1: there are no invitations for me, like there is nowhere

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Speaker 1: for me to go, and so I honor like what

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Speaker 1: those people must you know, what it must feel like

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Speaker 3: And they again, y'all have a home here.

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Speaker 5: Well, who's cooking? Since this is home?

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Speaker 3: I shook for myself.

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Speaker 1: The thing I make the best when it comes to

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Speaker 1: Christmas stuff is mac and cheese.

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Speaker 3: I will battle anybody on mac and cheese. If you don't.

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Speaker 1: Like like my mac and cheese, well you don't like truffle.

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Speaker 1: You might not like it, but my mac and cheese,

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Speaker 1: I like, I would have said dressing Angela, but I yes,

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Speaker 1: us about it in our our group chat. So I

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Speaker 1: don't even want to compete for that. I'm like, just

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Speaker 1: you just make me the seafood dressing, and I do

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Speaker 1: a really good apple cobbler.

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Speaker 3: Those are the things that I do.

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Speaker 4: I think we should have an NLP pop look because

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Speaker 1: mini pop Welcome home again. Home is not enthusiastic enough.

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Speaker 6: We mean it.

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Speaker 3: We mean it.

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Speaker 3: Welcome home.

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Speaker 1: This is our home and this is your home, and

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't even hardly.

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Speaker 3: Like our vts.

441
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 5: And I think we all deal with like these things differently, right,

442
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,919
Speaker 5: So Angela at a different point may have needed us

443
00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,119
Speaker 5: to lean in or to pull out. But you, you,

444
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 5: and I may have a different relationship with conflict or

445
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,400
Speaker 5: with the way in which conflict is handled. So, for instance,

446
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 5: if things get too emotional for a long time, for me,

447
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 5: if things got really emotional, my first comment was, and

448
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 5: Jay is gonna like, amen, this was you're not a victim.

449
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 5: We both have our grievances here, this is you, This

450
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:23,719
Speaker 5: is where I am da da, but noither of us

451
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 5: are victims here. And it was now that in reflection,

452
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 5: I'm thinking what a harsh insense it is, and like

453
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 5: non loving way to approach a conflict is to say

454
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,879
Speaker 5: like you're not a victim. That is like the worst

455
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,159
Speaker 5: place to go with it. And thank God for Angela

456
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 5: introducing me to therapy in a way that I had

457
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 5: never been before really helped me to get outside of

458
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 5: it because the only thing I needed to hear was

459
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 5: how are you feeling? And whether I feel like I

460
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 5: did something to necessitate that or not. The truth is

461
00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 5: is that a person who I love and care deeply

462
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 5: about about reacted to a thing that I did or

463
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 5: said in this way, and that isn't what I want

464
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 5: to happen. I want you to hear me clearly, but

465
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,640
Speaker 5: I certainly don't want to level you in the process.

466
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 5: I don't want you to walk away feeling like you're

467
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,120
Speaker 5: less intelligent, or you have less to contribute, or that

468
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 5: your voices and as important or as valued. And I'll

469
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,439
Speaker 5: just disclose. You know, Angelina, I had a conversation yesterday

470
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,719
Speaker 5: after our Don Lemit interview, and I was, you know,

471
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 5: saying to her that, you know, I've sort of gotten

472
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 5: used to, at least in some ways in our podcast,

473
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 5: like not really fighting for the space in every conversation.

474
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 5: Like if comments are being had or being said and

475
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,360
Speaker 5: either I'm not invited directly into it, or the conversation

476
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 5: takes place and I've not made a contribution, my default

477
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 5: position might be like, Okay, I'm not of value at

478
00:23:55,640 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 5: this space and in this time, And the the adjustment

479
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 5: or the compromise I made with myself is like, Okay,

480
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 5: just accept that in some spaces and at certain times,

481
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 5: you won't be of value. And what Angela was pointing

482
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 5: out was that may be an incident where you might

483
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 5: not feel that way, but to the point that that

484
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 5: becomes now your conduct, You've negotiated yourself into a space

485
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 5: where every week you now feel like you have to

486
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 5: just sort of sit with it, be quiet, keep it moving.

487
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 5: Time is going. I don't know how to shut up.

488
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 5: Whatever the thing is that the self talk that I'm

489
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 5: telling myself now we are completely disrupting the very environment

490
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 5: we're trying to create for ourselves. The very environment we're

491
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 5: trying to create is that I don't have to be

492
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 5: curated through the world's lens. That if this conversation takes

493
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 5: me away from one about politics and one about the

494
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:58,479
Speaker 5: fact that, gosh, I feel no real worth in this moment,

495
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 5: and I don't want to be in a I have

496
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 5: too much respect for myself. I'd like to think that

497
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 5: I don't want to be anywhere where my contribution isn't valued,

498
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 5: where I'm not making a contribution at all. And to

499
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 5: your point, Angela, about where we have to be respectful

500
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 5: and where do our listeners show up? They show up

501
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 5: all the way through this.

502
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 6: It breaks.

503
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 5: I can't tell y'all if you're on the listening side

504
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 5: of this what it did to Angela and Tiffany when

505
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 5: we got some comments about from some of the listeners

506
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 5: who said, I felt like you all disrespected the questioner here,

507
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 5: like you just completely. I'm sitting on the I'm sitting

508
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 5: here with them on a you know, on the telephone,

509
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 5: and they're like, I can't believe that. I just I

510
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 5: can't believe I wasn't aware of that and this, and

511
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 5: they're going back and forth. I'm like, y'all you want

512
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 5: to call them on three? Ay, y'all want to FaceTime?

513
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 5: I mean, like, what are we.

514
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 6: Going to do?

515
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 5: No, I was saying.

516
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 3: He was genuine. That's the scary part. He really wanted

517
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 3: to FaceTime these people.

518
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 5: Absolutely was serious. I was like, we have to unburden

519
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 5: this and I'm really sick of this. I can't believe

520
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 5: we said that. And I got to go back and

521
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 5: look at our the veal and all that. I'm like, look,

522
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 5: which I want to do about it? And so just

523
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 5: know that it isn't anyone's intention to go that way.

524
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 5: And I think in our apology the following week, I

525
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 5: mentioned that sometimes we're not even responding directly to what

526
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 5: the question is, which is part of our obligation to

527
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 5: respond to what the question is because you posed it

528
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 5: and we respect you enough to give you an answer.

529
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 5: But we're responding to all of the clouds, the layers

530
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 5: of stuff that we've had to dig through all week,

531
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 5: and all of everybody else's misimpressions about that thing. And

532
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 5: now we feel like, oh, this is the window to

533
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 5: correct the rest of the world, not you the questioner,

534
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 5: but the rest of the world on that perspective. And

535
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 5: so I have nothing but love and respect for our audience.

536
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 5: And that has to mean more than our words. That

537
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 5: it has to be manifest in our actions, not just

538
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 5: in the way that we experience it, but also the

539
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 5: way that you, our listeners, experience it. And that's just

540
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 5: the work in progress. But know our heart.

541
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: Please all right, job, We're gonna take a quick break,

542
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: but don't go anywhere, because we still want to talk

543
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: more about how to create safe spaces, not just for us,

544
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 1: but for you as well.

545
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 3: We'll be right back.

546
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 1: I even like having this conversation and putting it out

547
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: there for our viewers because I want the audience to

548
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: feel like they are part of the conversation. And I

549
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: think what they appreciated about the mini pod last week

550
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: is they felt like they were eavesdropping on a private

551
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: disagreement with all of us. And I think all of

552
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: us maintain how we feel. I don't think Angela you

553
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: feel any different. I don't think Andrew you feeling different.

554
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: I don't feel any different. And it's like, yeah, we

555
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: can have these three opposing points of view and still

556
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: come together as family, as friends and you know, spend

557
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: time with Yether and laugh and you know, nothing changes.

558
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: And I think that's what we're the society we're trying

559
00:27:55,480 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: to build and go for in terms of our audience

560
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: and the things that we platform here and creating a

561
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: safe space for our viewers and for each other. I

562
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: just want to make this plea to our audience and say,

563
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 1: even when we disagree with you, we love you.

564
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 5: You know.

565
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: I think that I often say this to Angela, and

566
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 1: I probably said this you too, Andrew, Like I think

567
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: it's black people. We don't have the privilege to dislike

568
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: each other nobody, you know, right, But but there are

569
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: people who, you know, they're not my favorite people, you know,

570
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: so among us, I'm like, I don't really rock with him,

571
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 1: I don't really rock with her, but out here in

572
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: this world if something were happening, then I got to

573
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: be a part of the army defending that person, you know.

574
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 3: And so we feel that way.

575
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: Even when you give a comment that I feel is

576
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: a little disrespectful to the w NBA, we still welcome you, brother,

577
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: We welcome you a comment, you know, like you're gonna

578
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: have to get some.

579
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 3: Of the smoke.

580
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 5: Although I did think it was a hoax.

581
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, well either way, you know, I hope it wasn't.

582
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope he had more respect for us

583
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: giving hope, But who knows. Even when we disagree that

584
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: we want you to pull up a seat to this table.

585
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: You know, we've all come from spaces where we didn't

586
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: feel welcome. For twenty four years, I didn't feel welcome

587
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,959
Speaker 1: in you know, mostly white run newsrooms that constantly dismiss

588
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: my input and value and opinions. So I don't ever

589
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: want either of my co hosts to feel like they

590
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: don't have value. And I certainly don't want our audience,

591
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: who shows up to us every week twice a week

592
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: to hear us, to not feel like they have value.

593
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: So we thank y'all for rocking with us, for tuning

594
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: in every week. I thank you Angela for inviting me

595
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: and Andrew to be part of this podcast and build

596
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: this thing brick by brick with you. I thank you

597
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: Andrew for the times that we have on this podcast.

598
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: But honestly, my favorite time is when we're not on

599
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: the podcast, and it's just when Andrew and I get

600
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: one on one time. I feel like it's so calming.

601
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: I'm always telling you some personal drama I have or something,

602
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: you know, Andela off doing something, she's on a flight,

603
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: she doing something else, and I'm all about, like, where's

604
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: where's a good restaurant? So Andrew and I'll go eat sometimes.

605
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: But Angela and I also spend a lot of time.

606
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 3: Too as the ladies.

607
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: Uh, we have a whole girl group, so I get

608
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: my alone time with each of them, but with with Andrew,

609
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: I just I truly value you, both personally and professionally.

610
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: So I just I love y'all for having the space,

611
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: and just thank y'all for for for dealing on the

612
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: days when I'm giving whatever I'm giving.

613
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 3: When I'm giving highbrow to Andrew.

614
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 6: You an.

615
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 3: When we were walking.

616
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:48,959
Speaker 1: In Sancho Park, he was so like smooth jazz when

617
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: you know how he does Angela and he was like,

618
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: I had I was a bit elevated at the time.

619
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: And sometimes when I'm like that, I it means I

620
00:30:58,800 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: go inward.

621
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 3: Okay, I just get mute.

622
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: What does that mean to It means that I had

623
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: a mood ordering substance that sent me on a flight. Okay,

624
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: and it's a good, beautiful day. I've rolled it to

625
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: the Sangraal Park. And Andrew was talking to me, and

626
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: I hear it. But sometimes your thoughts are like they

627
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: run away and you're like no, no, no, no, wait, and

628
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: the thought is gone. And Andrew was like, you know,

629
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: when you get like this, you just have this judgmental

630
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: look on your face.

631
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 5: And I don't care for it's just exuding judgment.

632
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 3: No, but I have it's not even judgment.

633
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: But I was laughing so hard because he said it

634
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: was just so funny to me.

635
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 3: I'm like, see this is yes, I don't care for it.

636
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 3: I don't care for it. It's just it's so proper.

637
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 5: That in most places I wouldn't have two words to

638
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 5: say to the other person about how they look or

639
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 5: what they're giving.

640
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 4: Andrew, you give the craziest cuss outs with no cuss

641
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 4: words and big words. Sometimes you make up the words as.

642
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 6: Well, but yeah, like, yes, hilarious.

643
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 3: All right, do we feel complete with this conversation or

644
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 3: do we.

645
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 6: Well, we didn't read the comment I wanted to read.

646
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 4: I believe it's Janice Paris right, and it says I

647
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 4: have been listening to your podcast since episode one. Just

648
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 4: so y'all know, we are not going to make a

649
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 4: practice of reading these comments. We expect for you to

650
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 4: send in videos. But just because it was on point

651
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 4: since episode one, I share the podcast a few times.

652
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 4: I believe in what you are doing because it is

653
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 4: imperative and needed. After listening to your last mini pod,

654
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 4: I resonate with all your viewpoints because they are valid.

655
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 4: I must say I lean toward Angela as I too

656
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 4: was blindsided, as I would have never imagined millions on

657
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 4: millions of people could ever be scammed by Trump. I

658
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 4: am from NYC, and my very arrogance thought people knew

659
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 4: he was deplorable in every aspect of being empty, nothing

660
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 4: good and possibly evil. Keep going and know that you're

661
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 4: valuable information is appreciated. Keep fighting for the good, and

662
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 4: as you know, great things start small. Sometimes I love

663
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 4: the podcast.

664
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 3: I love that comment.

665
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: I love it too.

666
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 3: Sure, I'm sure you love it. Angela. No, no, no,

667
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 3: I didn't.

668
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 4: I really think like she was like, I agree with

669
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 4: her screaming on the podcast she was saying she agreed

670
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 4: with like being blindsided by like y'all really think you

671
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 4: could vote for this?

672
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 3: That was knocking? Get it? Yeah?

673
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 6: So not that part. But yes, I do appreciate them.

674
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: But you know, I appreciate that no matter how we

675
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: feel or what we say, we're three intelligent people with

676
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: people out there who will reflect back, like yes you

677
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: had a good point, or yes I agree with you,

678
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: or yes I agree with all three of you all.

679
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 3: I think that's what it's for.

680
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: So I like that we You don't want all three

681
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: of us having the same perspective coming up with the

682
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: same ideas, you know, yeah, we don't.

683
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 4: But the one thing I would love to ask our listeners,

684
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 4: if you guys don't mind, is we didn't dive enough

685
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 4: into what it looks like to create a safe space.

686
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 4: And since we are so lacking and safety in so

687
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 4: many places, some people at home don't have safety, some

688
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 4: people at work don't have safety, Some people in their

689
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 4: neighborhoods don't have safety.

690
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 6: What does it look like?

691
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 3: What does it look like to create safety.

692
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 6: On this podcast? For you?

693
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 4: What would it what would it look like to be

694
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 4: in this bubble with us and to feel like you

695
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 4: have a safe place to process your political gripes, to

696
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 4: get talking points to take back to your families, into

697
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 4: your communities.

698
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 6: What does it look like to create safety here?

699
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 3: Do we want that on video or in comments or both?

700
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 4: I would love the videos I love because I want

701
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 4: to play them and see that I want I want

702
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 4: the video responses. We have a video on our Instagram

703
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 4: page at Native Lampard where you can see how to

704
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 4: submit a video. We will repost that in our stories

705
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 4: when this air, so you all can send in your

706
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 4: videos and let us know what safety looks like to

707
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 4: you on and that.

708
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 5: I like that. We love the money that jingles, but.

709
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: We prefer the We did a whole Broadway routine in

710
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 1: Central Park.

711
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 3: We and our movies. We did a whole thing. Anyway,

712
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 3: stay tuned for me and Nan.

713
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 6: I'm excited that he's got some movie lines.

714
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: I'm all right, we'll do that'll do. Thanks for listening,

715
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: y'all home.

716
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, so this is one of my favorite episodes. In fact, ladies.

717
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 5: I don't know if you'll remember, but it came up

718
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 5: because we were at the DNC convention and uh, Angela

719
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 5: may have said something. I think I responded, it's safer there,

720
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 5: and that spawned you like, this is a mini pod.

721
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 5: Is it safer in the shallow or the deep? And

722
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 5: all of us have relationships close and otherwise where we're

723
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 5: constantly asking ourselves a question like how much do we reveal?

724
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 5: Is it safe if I reveal this? Do I hold back?

725
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 5: Is it better to keep it superficial with niceties and

726
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 5: positive encounters? Every time? And we debate the question, and

727
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 5: I am still trying to answer for myself. Take a listen.

728
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 5: I love to love to hear what you all think.

729
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 5: Is it safer in the shallow with the deep?

730
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 4: So I don't remember how this question came about Miami.

731
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 4: I know it was in Miami, and somehow we started

732
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 4: talking about the shallow end and the deep, and I

733
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 4: think Andrew said that it was safer in the shallow. Yeah,

734
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 4: I wonder if that indeed is the case.

735
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 6: And so.

736
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 4: I am hoping that we can discuss some of these

737
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 4: I have some questions that I that I want to

738
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 4: ask y'all I think the first thing is to talk

739
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 4: about like it is frowned upon for someone to be

740
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 4: deemed as shallow, right, Like if someone is like, oh

741
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 4: there's a shallow what is that? What does that mean? Like,

742
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 4: what does it mean for someone to be shallow to you?

743
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 6: Tif? What does it mean You're like, oh, this person

744
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 6: is shallow? What does that mean?

745
00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 3: That everything is surfaced?

746
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: I guess it's like if you you can't even have

747
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: a philical sophical.

748
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 3: Yes, if you if you can be.

749
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 4: Philosophical, I think that tip might be shallowed today.

750
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: They cannot have a philosophical discussion, Like they couldn't even participate.

751
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 3: That, we cannot have a serious making laughing, you're not.

752
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 6: Doing anything.

753
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: It's just like they can't have a philosophical discussion. I'm

754
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 1: not looking at you all and when you like, they're

755
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: not engaged on anything beyond what I would consider like

756
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: be issue. Even if we're talking about like celebrity gossip,

757
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: like it's stays at.

758
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 3: You know, celebrity gossip.

759
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: If we're talking about rap lyrics, you know, like everything

760
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,439
Speaker 1: is just kind of who cares? But can I say

761
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 1: though I have a friend who doesn't read any news,

762
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: all of her information comes from like Instagram. You know,

763
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: she is a mother, but she's like the embodiment of love.

764
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: And I think these two things are related because I

765
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 1: think it's easy to go through the day and maybe

766
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: through life being joyful when you're oblivious to all the

767
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: misery happening. And I've read this in a book somewhere,

768
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: and they said that humanity does not function on human kindness.

769
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: It actually functions on human callousness. Because if any of

770
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 1: us ever truly confronted the monstrosities that happen every day

771
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: as human beings, we would not be able to function.

772
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: So there is some safety perhaps in staying in the shallow.

773
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 4: But even your friend who reads who doesn't read papers,

774
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 4: doesn't necessarily mean that she's shallow. Are we talking about

775
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:51,240
Speaker 4: substantively show shallow, Like, yeah, she's joy like intim actually shallow?

776
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 6: Or are we saying that there is there more than

777
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 6: one way to be shallow?

778
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think people who find it difficult to choose

779
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 5: not to or don't have the ability to see or

780
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 5: understand subtexts. Yeah, like beyond what is said and what

781
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 5: is obvious, that there's a refusal, either deliberately or an

782
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:23,720
Speaker 5: absence of ability to see beneath. And there's some people,

783
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 5: I think who use the tool of shallowness simply as that.

784
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 6: A tool, Yeah, like a defense mechanism.

785
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 5: Or I would get you coming the other way. It's

786
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 5: sort of like you won't see me coming. It's sort

787
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 5: of like you won't see me coming. So you've ever

788
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 5: been in community with people who you may have relegated

789
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,959
Speaker 5: to the category of shallow, not deep, not the person

790
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 5: you're going to go to for a real conversation, and

791
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 5: then in an instance, you happen to listen or you

792
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 5: happen to hear them in something that they have said

793
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 5: really prickture consciousness, because it isn't on the superficial it

794
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 5: is they sort of had a moment where they revealed

795
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 5: that I'm as deep as you. I can go there

796
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 5: if I want to. I choose to keep this relationship

797
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 5: where it is so that I don't have to do

798
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 5: this is that And the third with view and I

799
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 5: think that I have experienced people who have used the

800
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 5: veneer of superficiality as a way to cover for what

801
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 5: I've come to learn as a much deeper thinker, analyzer,

802
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 5: and quite frankly.

803
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 6: Operator, Yeah, you know, and.

804
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 5: An operator to their benefit, right in their interests.

805
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 4: One of the things I'm thinking about now because it's

806
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 4: like if you contrast between somebody who is shallow and

807
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 4: someone who is deep, at least theoretically, or maybe they

808
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 4: vacillate between the two. The person who I was just

809
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 4: thinking about is Congressman Bennie Thompson. He is not shallow

810
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 4: at all, but he says things that feel sometimes that

811
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 4: feel very surface, like he can reach you at USA

812
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 4: today and it has, you know, some shakespeare like meaning

813
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 4: and it doesn't even sink in like that until later.

814
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 4: We were having a conversation recently, and I'll speak more vaguely,

815
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 4: but I was in trouble because he felt like I

816
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 4: wasn't reaching out the way that I should, and he

817
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 4: was right, and he was just like something like you know.

818
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 4: I was like, So I called him the next or

819
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,240
Speaker 4: a couple days later, and I said, I'm just calling

820
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 4: to check in. I don't want anything. I just wanted

821
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 4: to make sure you knew that I was here. And

822
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 4: he was like, yeah, I'm just telling you to just

823
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 4: check in every now and then.

824
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 6: And he was like he was making fun of me.

825
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 6: He's like, I talked to your dad more than you.

826
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 6: My dad calls all of them all the time.

827
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 4: On a surface level, on a shallow level, it sounds

828
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 4: like just tapping in every now and then is a

829
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 4: very shallow point.

830
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 3: But it is.

831
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 6: It actually isn't like it.

832
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 3: It is.

833
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 6: There's a ton of depth attached to it.

834
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 4: When you check in with someone, it creates attachment, it

835
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 4: creates relationship, and it ensures that people know just what's

836
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 4: going on in people's everyday lives. When you don't check

837
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 4: in with someone, you don't necessarily know they need surgery,

838
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 4: or you don't necessarily know that someone in their family's struggling,

839
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 4: or you know there are all of these different layers

840
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,760
Speaker 4: that you miss from what feels like a relatively shallow touch.

841
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 6: Yeah.

842
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 5: Also, I find with those shallow touches, it might appear,

843
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 5: if you want to categorize it that way, that those

844
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 5: touch ins also provide just that nugget, like something happens

845
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 5: in the course of that exchange. Yeah, that again might

846
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 5: transform the battle that you might be in. He may

847
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 5: not be as clueless about the battle as you're fighting

848
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 5: as you think. He is, maybe more tuned in. He

849
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 5: never is, And where you choose to check in, Yeah,

850
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 5: he may be the South, and something that he says

851
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 5: may be the South that you've been looking for and

852
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 5: you just didn't know it. I found with my father

853
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 5: that while he didn't talk a lot to us right

854
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 5: unless it was a directive, that when he did choose

855
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 5: to say something, he was really saying somethings, and I

856
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 5: didn't always get it. He'd say, he'd have to say,

857
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 5: don't take no wood Nickels off nobody now Nickel, Well,

858
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 5: you're right, they don't exist. There is no wood Nickel, right,

859
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 5: it didn't spend And in other words, it's like, don't

860
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 5: be tricked, don't be fooled, don't be you know whatever.

861
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 5: I've shared this when I talked about my own testimony,

862
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,439
Speaker 5: where he says, you know, son, don't believe the hype

863
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 5: like the hype music. Yeah, if you believe what they

864
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 5: say good about you, you believe what they say bad,

865
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 5: and you'll be a slave to them both. And I

866
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 5: had no way to see that properly at the time.

867
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 5: But his advice then was as prescient, you know, as ever,

868
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 5: and if I would have applied it properly, Sometimes you

869
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 5: need the experience, you know, of what not to do

870
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 5: before you appreciate that, you know, the advice. But but

871
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 5: it had I known, man, it would have been. But

872
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 5: most people would have thought my daddy was just his

873
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 5: nickname was Sonny, you know, almost like you know, you know,

874
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 5: bright and cheery. He never met a stranger. In fact,

875
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,959
Speaker 5: that my graduation is like two little times. So many

876
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 5: people you know, can get around to your dad, right,

877
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 5: get around and touching me and meet everybody. So you

878
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 5: just thought it was just happy, happy, you know, good,

879
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 5: go lucky and and truth. He was an observer, very

880
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:20,720
Speaker 5: perceptive of people, incredibly aged and wise, you know, advice

881
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 5: and so even in this conversation about what's deep and

882
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 5: what's superficial, a lot of people who think they're deep

883
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 5: ancient at all.

884
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 3: Exact exactly the point. Confused, Yeah, very confused makes a

885
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 3: good point.

886
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: She's like when she was around all these like heads

887
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: of state and that, you know, high profile people, it's.

888
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 3: Like some of y'all ain't that smart. And I used

889
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 3: to have that.

890
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: I mean, we say imposter syndrome, but I think imposter

891
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: syndrome is when a white man came along and told

892
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 1: you weren't good enough to do something, and it stuck

893
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: with you because you don't you're not born with that.

894
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: And I remember feeling like everyone around me must know

895
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: something that I don't until you start talking to folks

896
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, I actually.

897
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 5: No more than yeah, what I don't know.

898
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: I can learn, but you ain't gonna learn what I know.

899
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: You know, some things that we know is just by osmosis.

900
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: I think I choose to be shallow on something. I

901
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: have to go out of my way to force myself

902
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: because I have to be honest on days. It might

903
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: be a random Saturday where I don't read anything. I

904
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: might read like a book of work of fiction, but

905
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: my spirit does feel a little lighter when I don't.

906
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 4: Do you just here's the question, because this is the

907
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 4: second time now when referencing deep or shallow you go

908
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 4: right into like, yeah, and well reading something. So your

909
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 4: friend who you said is so loving, but you're like,

910
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 4: she doesn't read anything.

911
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 3: She's not shallow, she's really deep, right.

912
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 4: But then you said on your shallow days, you're not

913
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 4: reading something. I wonder how we then define that's good? Yeah,

914
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 4: you know depth, like it's just book knowledge.

915
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 3: That's true. How far we defined.

916
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 5: That's because I couldn't get to the knowledge place because

917
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 5: I thought, I don't know that it is. Oh, I

918
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 5: don't know that it is about our degrees or what

919
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 5: we real or how much information that sort of thing.

920
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 5: I think it's like what you see is not the

921
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 5: ability to sort of discern what you see isn't what

922
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 5: it really is, And that applies across you know, the

923
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 5: range of subject matter so on and so forth, that

924
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 5: it takes work to investigate a subtext. It takes effort.

925
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 5: You have to put energy, the expenditure of energy into

926
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 5: trying to figure out what somebody's trying to communicate to

927
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 5: you or what they're saying without saying it. So I

928
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 5: think a lot of us really do choose in different

929
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 5: relationships at different moments, whether or not we just want

930
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 5: to keep this there or if we're willing to go

931
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 5: the layers beneath, and so maybe we're not perpetually any

932
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 5: of it.

933
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 4: That I think is so true because when I consider

934
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 4: the people who are like vulnerable off top, to me,

935
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 4: that's deeper than someone who is like, hey.

936
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 6: How you doing you good?

937
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 3: You look goods good?

938
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 4: That's very surface. But someone who can say, man, you

939
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 4: know I've been going through a lot. You know, behind

940
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 4: all my taxis I got my kid is struggling like

941
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,439
Speaker 4: they're they're putting it all on the surface, but they've

942
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 4: done the work for that stuff to come out.

943
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 6: I think that's so different, and that is a form

944
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 6: of depth.

945
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 4: And so that is my question when we consider the

946
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 4: space that we're creating on this podcast or the people

947
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 4: that we want to be in the world, is it

948
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 4: really safer on the shallow end? Is it safer in

949
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,439
Speaker 4: the shallow for us than in the deep?

950
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 6: Where you know?

951
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 4: On the shallow end, are you really known? Can you

952
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 4: really be yourself in the shallow when you know your

953
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 4: multi dimensional and have all these layers, Like, is that

954
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 4: really safe where you're not yourself?

955
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 3: Is it safer for you Angela in the shallow?

956
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 5: No?

957
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 6: No, I'm a scorpiogre.

958
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I need you to stareing to see my soul, yeah,

959
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 4: you know, and I want.

960
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 6: To see yours.

961
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 4: And I would prefer if I didn't have to navigate

962
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 4: through some crazy forests and some booby traps and stuff

963
00:47:58,080 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 4: to get there.

964
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: I think for people who I know and love, I'm

965
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 1: like you, I want to be known. But I have

966
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: to say that is fairly new for me. You said

967
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: this to me a while ago, Angela and I had

968
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: two fights. We had one fight, No, we had to

969
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,760
Speaker 1: who was the second one? The second one we aired

970
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: the one y'all know that.

971
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 6: Andrew was like, can't we all just get along?

972
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: People in the comments fundy on Andrew, they like, I

973
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: love the way Andrew handles Angela and Tiffany's they're like, okay,

974
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: I don't have literally on Our first one was over

975
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,439
Speaker 1: a guy, and you remember we were at lunch and

976
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 1: it was.

977
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:44,280
Speaker 4: It wasn't my potential booth that sounds like you like Monica.

978
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 3: Was he don't deserve your ass.

979
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: Yes that Angela's point was, he doesn't deserve you, not

980
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:55,439
Speaker 1: even to breathe your air.

981
00:48:55,719 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 3: Yes, she was right for the record, but imagine that listener.

982
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: But what no much offensive but me. I said it

983
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: and I echo it now. But what you said to me,

984
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: which I hear this message, I'm Tiffany crist and I

985
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: approved that message. But what you said to me at

986
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: the time I had not heard before. The question hadn't

987
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: been posed to me before. And you said, I wonder

988
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: when you come home to yourself dot dot dot. There

989
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 1: was some other stuff after that, but I thought about that,

990
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: what does that mean? To come home to myself because

991
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: I had been in a shallow with myself for a

992
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:35,240
Speaker 1: long time. But when you go deep. Our other sister

993
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: for Latasha Brown, said this to me. I'll go over

994
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: laughing to cry and I'm like, it's good.

995
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 3: Latasha said this to me.

996
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 1: Latasha Brown, she was telling me when I was just

997
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 1: going through a lot, and she said, you know you

998
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 1: this sounds mean, but she is a body of love.

999
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: And she said, it's like you have a bowl of

1000
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: shit and you have put flowers on top, you spray

1001
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 1: perfume on top, and you present that to the world.

1002
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: But this is like, this is okay, and you present

1003
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 1: that to people who you want to get to know.

1004
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,959
Speaker 1: But the thing about shit, you can't cover up shit.

1005
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: And until you deal with that shit deep inside, you

1006
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: have to clean that out first for those flowers to

1007
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: really bloom. And I hope this encourages somebody today because

1008
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: that is when I realized, oh, this is the journey

1009
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: home to myself.

1010
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 3: It's not this happened to me and I'm moving on.

1011
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 1: It's like, no feel your feelings, sit in your feelings,

1012
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: be self, your friends, the people around you reflect back

1013
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 1: to you who you are. See that ugly reflection and

1014
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: work on it and clean it out and come home

1015
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: to yourself because you leave home and you go out

1016
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: there and work throughout your trauma that your parents in

1017
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: childhood unintentionally, and then on that journey home back to yourself,

1018
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, let me get rid of this, get

1019
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: rid of this shit, and let flowers boom. So I'm

1020
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,439
Speaker 1: recently in deep with myself, but for a long time,

1021
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: even unbeknownst to myself, I was in the shallow.

1022
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 3: I ain't even expay to get bad.

1023
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 5: I appreciate the trust. All right, y'all, we're going to

1024
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 5: take a quick break and be right back. I think

1025
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 5: for me, I I definitely took a long way round

1026
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 5: to the invitation for people to know me more deeply,

1027
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 5: and one because I didn't think people were that interested

1028
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 5: and right it was, you know, I sort of saw

1029
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 5: myself as a production wheel. What can you put out,

1030
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 5: what can you put out? Give me more? You know,

1031
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:50,240
Speaker 5: you know that sort of thing, and therapy largely thanks

1032
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 5: to Angela, you know, and our Jay's insistence of sitting

1033
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 5: down and just sort of figuring out how to come

1034
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 5: home to myself and that when you do that, you

1035
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 5: are a lot less concerned about people's thoughts, perceptions, feelings

1036
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 5: about you. Not in a disrespectful way, but just in

1037
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 5: a way that you know what, I'm gonna do this thing,

1038
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 5: and I'm going to do it because it's in my pleasure,

1039
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 5: not because this is what your expectation is of me,

1040
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 5: this is what you want from me, or I'm not

1041
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 5: in a performative state, but rather, if I come up

1042
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 5: to you and you and I engage in something at

1043
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 5: a deeper level, it's simply because it was in my

1044
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:36,760
Speaker 5: pleasure at the time. Yeah, And if we don't get

1045
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,919
Speaker 5: to that, I'm not being superficial with you. I'm just saying,

1046
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 5: what's up, how you doing? I hope all this well

1047
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 5: and I'm moving on, and you should as well. We

1048
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 5: had a positive encounter because we did, and I do

1049
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 5: wish you well, But I didn't open an invitation to

1050
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 5: know that the world was upside down for you, partly

1051
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 5: because everybody doesn't deserve that. Have me earned that from you?

1052
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 5: Everyone it shouldn't be treated to that. And I don't

1053
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 5: think that is a denial of yourself. I don't think

1054
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 5: that is a departure from who you are. I don't

1055
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 5: think that is putting on. Certainly, if you're acting without expectation,

1056
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 5: I'm not doing this thing because I want this thing

1057
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 5: to be said back to me in return. I didn't

1058
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 5: do that thing for you to compliment me. I didn't

1059
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 5: give that speech for you to be wild bowed over

1060
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 5: and say, oh, you're an excellent speaker. I did it,

1061
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 5: and I said it, and it came out that way

1062
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 5: because it was in my pleasure, it was in my truth.

1063
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 5: I stood there and if you get something from it, good,

1064
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 5: And if you didn't, that's okay too, because I did

1065
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 5: it not in service to that, but in service to me,

1066
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 5: and by being in service to me that God knows it,

1067
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 5: I believe it will bless beyond Yeah. Otherwise, there was

1068
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 5: no intention of doing it that way, or doing it

1069
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 5: at all, and therefore it wouldn't have happened. So I

1070
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,879
Speaker 5: think we choose the moment at which we have our reveals,

1071
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 5: whatever those reveals may be. And I don't want to

1072
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 5: judge them those reveals. It's just that's where you and

1073
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 5: I are each other, and we might encounter each other

1074
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 5: on another day and we may be someplace different, because

1075
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 5: you may be someplace different, and your expectation of me

1076
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 5: may be different at that time. But what I like

1077
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 5: about this conversation is I think what we're going to

1078
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 5: get leading to is that we're taking the value judgment

1079
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 5: off of the the shallow from the depth, yeah.

1080
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 3: And exploring what it means.

1081
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: I appreciate you saying, is it the second time you

1082
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: brought up reading something or like knowledge and what I

1083
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: perceive it to be. But that's not really the shallow

1084
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: or the deep like that's just you know, it's the

1085
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: form of it.

1086
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 6: It's intellectual depth.

1087
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 4: But is there there's there's another kind that I think

1088
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 4: results in real human connection, right like intimacy people will say,

1089
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 4: means into me see and can.

1090
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 6: You do that?

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Speaker 4: If there's a shell or there's a layer, or there's

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Speaker 4: a that really you know, maybe came as a result

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Speaker 4: of a very deep, deeply wounded place, but it's created

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Speaker 4: a barrier that feels very shallow. We talk about creating

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Speaker 4: a safe space here, we can't create a safe space

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Speaker 4: here for our podcast if we're not safe spaces for

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Speaker 4: ourselves as co hosts and also as individuals, and that

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Speaker 4: is a regular journey or a return home to yourselves.

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Speaker 4: I also don't want to take credit for that that's

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Speaker 4: a yachty saying to return yadi home to ourselves, but

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Speaker 4: it is a regular return. Like you think about going

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Speaker 4: home every single day, you have to go and check

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Speaker 4: back in every single day, sometimes multiple times a day,

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Speaker 4: like where am I?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 6: Am I still? Who I say? I am? Am? I?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 6: Where are my conflicts? Where are my flat sides?

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Speaker 4: Every single week on this podcast, I feel like there's

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Speaker 4: something glaring where I'm like, oh my god, I see

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Speaker 4: my hypocrisy here, and I'm going to call it out

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Speaker 4: so I can be accountable to y'all, our listeners and

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Speaker 4: keep growing. That is also a return home to myself.

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Speaker 4: And you were talking about the reveal.

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Speaker 6: We're revealing we literally are shedding layers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, every every day, probably multiple hours in

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Speaker 4: a day, we're shedding these layers. And so my hope

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Speaker 4: is that in this conversation that will never end because

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Speaker 4: we're constantly waiting a little bit deeper. We hope that

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Speaker 4: you all will consider what depth really means and how

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Speaker 4: you can wait in and out of the shallow, but

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Speaker 4: making sure that you know how to create safety for yourself.

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Speaker 5: So that's safety.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Can I just say one more thing? When you

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Speaker 1: were talking about creating safe space for co hosts. To me,

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Speaker 1: that's the easier part. Creating the individual part is the

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Speaker 1: hardest part, like being at peace internally and seeing your hypocrisy.

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Speaker 1: You know when you watch yourself, when you hear yourself,

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Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, that is something that I have

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Speaker 1: to sit in, that I have to address, I have

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Speaker 1: to deal with. I have to unpack and come out

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Speaker 1: better on the other side. And I don't know that

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Speaker 1: we have an answer to the question. It might not

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Speaker 1: be safer in the deep end, but you have to

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Speaker 1: learn to be comfortable in the deep end with yourself

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Speaker 1: because that's your home.

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Speaker 6: That is your home.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, welcome home, y'all.

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Speaker 5: Welcome y'all.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for tuning into this very

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Speaker 1: special episode of Native Land Pod our holiday season edition,

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Speaker 1: and we're so happy that you pulled up a chair

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Speaker 1: and joined us at our table. You got some good

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Speaker 1: recipe ideas and also some good philosophical exchange from us

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Speaker 1: from our mini pods over the years. So stay tuned

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Speaker 1: for that Native Land pot luck because we may be

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Speaker 1: revisiting that. As always, we do want to remind you

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Speaker 1: thought about this episode.

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Speaker 1: We're available on all platforms in YouTube, and don't forget

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Speaker 1: to check out our mini pods. You got a clip

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Speaker 1: of what some of those mini pods are going forward.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to check them out there every Monday and

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Speaker 1: follow us on social media. We are your hosts, Tiffany Cross,

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Speaker 1: Angela Rai, and Andrew Gillham.

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Speaker 3: Happy holidays everyone, Happy holidays. He's a truth for the

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Speaker 3: last morning see.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for joining the Natives attentional with the info

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Speaker 2: and all of the latest Roy Gilim and Cross connected

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Speaker 2: to the statements that you leave on our socials. Thank

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Speaker 2: you sincerely for the patients. Reason for your choice is clear,

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Speaker 2: so grateful it took the to execute roads. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for serve, defending and protect the truth. Even if paint

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Speaker 2: for Welcome home.

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Speaker 6: To all of the Natives wait, thank you, Welcome y'all.

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Speaker 5: Welcome.

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