1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: Paul mission controlled decads. Most importantly, you are you. You 8 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't 9 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: want you to know. Uh. Today we're starting with a 10 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: very simple, simple question. Uh, it's it's something that you know. 11 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 1: You you always ask people. Uh, you guys like cats, dogs? 12 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: If you had to choose, I've got cats, but I 13 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,639 Speaker 1: think I'm I'm mainly a cat and dog person. Yeah, 14 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: I'm a cat person. Recently adapted a tiny baby kitten 15 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: that just kind of waltzed up onto my deck and 16 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: I love her, but I forgot that the kittens are 17 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: kind of a pain in the butt. They wreck things, 18 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 1: they like to shred things, and track litter everywhere. So 19 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: I'm a a patient, yet slowly going insane cat dad. Yeah, 20 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: how about you met? I grew up as a catboy. 21 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 1: It was full full catboy. Yeah, you trend and the 22 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: tail tucked. Well, well, yeah, yeah, I got my tail 23 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: there and talk. I met my current wife, my wife, 24 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: and she was allergic to cats, so I had to 25 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 1: give I had to give up my feline friends. Oh man, 26 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: that's the choice of people have to make sometimes. You know, 27 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: I've got I have two cats. Uh, you guys have 28 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: seen them? Um, folks, if you're if you see my 29 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: Instagram app then Bowland, then you may have seen pictures 30 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: of those cats are huge. They have no right to 31 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: be as large as they are and still called house cats. 32 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: There must be partming coon to them due to what 33 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: I refer to as their dumpster pedigree. But yeah, but 34 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: but we've all main tones are are large cats. I 35 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: don't know how you describe it. They're large cats that 36 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: are common, at least here in Georgia. Yeah. Yeah, and 37 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: they're they're super fluffy, so they look even bigger than 38 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 1: they actually are. But they're larger than a lot of 39 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: other types of what we call house cats. And to 40 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 1: your Pointnell, what's really interesting about cats, at least house cats, 41 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: is that there is an ongoing debate about whether they 42 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: are domesticated, and if so, to what degree. In fact, 43 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: you'll you'll hear people say that these cats have largely 44 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 1: self domesticated because they started hanging out with early human 45 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: beings because human beings are dirty, and rats and vermin 46 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: like to hang out and eat all the trash that 47 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: humans produce. So cats just started showing up and kinda 48 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: never left. Uh. And and cats are popular across the 49 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: world in many places. Um, you may be h hanging 50 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: out with a cat of your own as you hear 51 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: today's episode. And if you were hanging out with a 52 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: cat right now in the United Kingdom or Western Europe, 53 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: then this is an episode particularly for you. We're traveling 54 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: to the United Kingdom inspired by several letters over the 55 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 1: years from our fellow conspiracy realists who asked us about 56 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: a b CS, not the alphabet, but something called abnormally 57 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: big cats or alien big cats. That's right, it's a 58 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: cryptic episode. We're back on the cryptids, and uh, what 59 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: better way to get started than to talk a little 60 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: bit about our own cats. Let's move on to the 61 00:03:55,480 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: more controversial cats of Europe. Here are the facts. Obviously, 62 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: humans throughout history have made an incredibly indelible mark on 63 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: the European land mass. Um many parts of Europe today 64 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: are of course heavily developed, especially in the UK, but 65 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: that wasn't all the case. It used to be much wilier. Um. 66 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: In the ancient past, Europe, like much of the rest 67 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: of the world, was home to a ton of megafauna, 68 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: like big large creatures that roamed the terrain um. The 69 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: most recent large cap proven to exist was the Eurasian 70 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: cave lion or Panthera Spellia. I think Panthera was like 71 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 1: that isn't a band? That's y r I p dine 72 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: bag darryl uh. It's name became part of the scientific 73 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: lexicon in around eighteen ten when George August gold Fuss 74 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: fabulous name. Uh yeah, exactly as that's what I was 75 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: trying for George situation. But who knows. This guy found 76 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: and described a fossilized skull excavated from a cave in 77 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: southern Germany. Yeah. Yeah, so these these creatures and their 78 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: skeletons have been discovered before, but this was, like you said, 79 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: and all the first time that they got legitimized in 80 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: the scientific community and moved from oral tradition and folklore 81 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: and weird fossils to you know, museums and taxonomy. There's 82 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: also pretty great evidence that human beings encountered these lions, 83 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: because they're depicted in ancient carvings and cave paintings in France, 84 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: uh and in Germany. The renderings in France are somewhere 85 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: between fifteen thousand to seventeen thousand years old, and the 86 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 1: timeline gets little murky here. So excavators also found a 87 00:05:54,720 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: carving in a place called the vogel Herd Cave southwest Germany. 88 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: This carving, in particular, leads experts to conclude that worship 89 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: of these animals may have been part of Paleolithic religious ceremonies. 90 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: And once you get a sense of the size of 91 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: this cat, it's not hard to see why so many 92 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: ancient people could have both feared and worshiped it. Like 93 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:23,119 Speaker 1: our earlier discussion about the rumors of a Paleolithic bear 94 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: worshiping religion, there may have been something like this going 95 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: on with cave lions because they were one of the 96 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 1: largest lion species around. One skeleton that was discovered was 97 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: about almost four ft tall at the shoulder and it 98 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: was almost seven ft long, not counting the tail, by 99 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: the way, So we're not you know, we're not fudging 100 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: the numbers. Uh. And that isn't even the biggest example. 101 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: There was another one that was eight feet in length, 102 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: again not counting the tail. It doesn't matter if you're 103 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 1: a cat person at this point, wather in the modern 104 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: day or in ancient times. You don't want to run 105 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: into these guys, especially if they're hungry. You would be 106 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: a person in a cat not a cat person. Very quickly. Yes, 107 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: I like the way you put that, And they're not like, 108 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: um this when we talk about height and length, it's 109 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: not anywhere near the same thing as describing, say, the 110 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: wingspan of a bird. Because these are also chunky boys. 111 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: I think the internet would call them. Yeah. Yeah, some 112 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: of the best estimates for what these creatures would weigh 113 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: or around seven hundred and fifty pounds or you know, 114 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: something like that, And that makes it over twelve larger 115 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: than any modern day line. And you're gonna see what 116 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: waltson around at Uh. It's gonna make a tiger king 117 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: joke here. But yeah, we don't need to do that. 118 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: I mean, just the the reference alone, LA people's imaginations 119 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: running wild. What would it have been that? What would 120 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: it have been us a seven hundred fifty pound lion. 121 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: Just chilling. Look at these lions. They're crazy and they 122 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: also Uh it's fascinating because we said, those cave paintings 123 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: are you know, several thousand years old, fifteen to seventeen thousand. 124 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: But the lions themselves, you're not gonna run into them 125 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: because they're they're thoughts to have gone extinct sometime around 126 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: fifty thousand years ago. So already we can see there's 127 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: a slight possible discrepancy. Uh, these didn't look like what 128 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: you might picture a lot of other lions there. They're similar, 129 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: but like, for instance, the males, based on what we've 130 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: seen in the cave depictions, probably didn't have a really 131 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: big main like you would associate with current lions. And 132 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: although it's tragic, of course, these mega fano went extinct, Uh, 133 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 1: they are not the only cats in the game. Modern 134 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: day Europe, despite having areas that have been very heavily 135 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: developed for a very long time, is still home to 136 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: at least three types of wild cats, not counting you know, 137 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: feral house cats, not counting you know the county cat 138 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: that would show up at your house and beg for 139 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: kibbles or whatever. These things are species like the European 140 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: wildcat that's an eastern, western, southern central Europe. And then 141 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: two types of links, the Iberian Lynx and the Eurasian Links. 142 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: The Eurasian Links is in central, eastern and northern Europe 143 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: and the Iberian Lynx surprise, surprise, Iberian pleminsula not the 144 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: most creative name. And these are all wild creatures to 145 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: be clear, they shouldn't be treated as pets. They can 146 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 1: attack wildlife. You shouldn't approach them if you see them. 147 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: Like most wild animals, they do not particularly care to 148 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: hang out with you, and if they do, it's probably 149 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: not for a reason that you're going to be down with. 150 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: So the good news is they're a lot smaller than lions. 151 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: That is the best news. Well, it's also what makes 152 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: them so cute. I remember when I was growing up, 153 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: I wanted a links so badly. I thought it was 154 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 1: the coolest animal. I particularly remember the ears, very very anime. 155 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: But they look they looked like enough like a house 156 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: cat that I felt like I maybe would have a 157 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: connection to one, uh you know, if I'm met a 158 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: Link somewhere. But man, it was also something I think. 159 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: Atari put out a handheld gaming system called the links 160 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: at some point and for some reason I I then 161 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 1: had like this weird brain connection to fun gaming and 162 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 1: this creature. Yeah I can. I could totally see that. 163 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: The they do look a lot more innocent maybe than 164 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: they should. But looked at those little murder pause. Oh, 165 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: they're not playing around. Still, they are much less likely 166 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: to eat you than a cave line. So go Europe Today. 167 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 1: The days of the large animals are largely in the past, 168 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: at least where Europe in general and where the United 169 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 1: Kingdom specifically is concerned. But there are still there are 170 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: still some large fauna running around the UK that are 171 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: proven to exist. They're just at this point not cats. 172 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: That's right. We have the Red Stag, which is the 173 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 1: sigil of how Slanister and I'm kidding that's not true. Um, 174 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: that would be the that was a lion, right yeah? 175 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: Or or the also known as the service lfus Um. 176 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: It's officially the largest animal in the region and in 177 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: there's a particularly massive specimen called the Emperor of x 178 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: More that was reportedly killed by a hunter, and at 179 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 1: the time of its death that had already drawn a 180 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: ton of national attention thanks to some incredible photographs of 181 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: weighed more than three pounds and was around nine ft 182 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: tall um. But the big cats, it might seem, are 183 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: long gone. You can take a look at pictures of 184 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: the Emperor of Exmore as we just stated there, and 185 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: it really is a majestic, awesome looking creature and it 186 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: is big, but it's not that big. And if you 187 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: imagine that something like these red deer existed in the 188 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: area for a long time, you can also imagine if 189 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 1: there was a seven pound cat rock like rolling around. 190 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: This would be great food, right, I mean, you could 191 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: totally imagine it. And just when you start to this 192 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: has helped me with the size, like really thinking about 193 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: the size of these cats. When you see how large 194 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: this Emperor of Exmore is in red red deer in general, 195 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: and then you imagine that twice to you know, two 196 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 1: point three times the size of that is how big 197 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: these cats were. It's like seeing, uh, It's like when 198 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: you see a cetacean, a large one, like a whale, 199 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 1: a sperm whale or something, and you think, holy crap, 200 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: this thing is huge, and then you see there are 201 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 1: suction marks on it from a fight with some kind 202 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: of you know, that's that's what that was. Some of 203 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: the strongest evidence of the colossal squid for a long time. 204 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: So yeah, look, if you see something big, imagine what 205 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: might eat it, because the thing that eats it is gonna, 206 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: you know it, maybe even larger. But like we said, 207 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: the days of the large fauna in the United Kingdom 208 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: have mostly passed and the big cats are relegated to 209 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: history or are they dung doung? We're going to pause 210 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: for word from our sponsor, which hey, maybe it's maybe 211 00:13:51,160 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: his cafine, and then we'll be back with more. Here's 212 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 1: where it gets crazy. So long after the official extinction 213 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: of large cats in the United Kingdom, numerous people have 214 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: claimed to have seen something in the wild, and they've 215 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 1: been making these claims for a very very long time. 216 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: As late or as early as four hundred, there were 217 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: there were folk tales um folk tales that we don't 218 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: we don't need to go into too much depth on. 219 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: But one that's especially interesting is the story of a 220 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: guy named John dis Stratford, who, according to the story, 221 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: pulled a giant red antlered lion from the earth at 222 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: South bad Asley in four hundred. Important note, at this time, 223 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: there are no known species anywhere of lions with antlers, 224 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: which is a shame because that would be super cool. 225 00:14:54,640 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: Uh oh god, I was gonna make it terrible. One 226 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: of these big lions was hunting a red deer. But 227 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: then they like saw each other in a clearing and 228 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: they were like, okay. It was like a little bit 229 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: of let's get it on kind of vibes. Yeah yeah, 230 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: and this yeah jackal lopes, right, yeah, you might have. 231 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: You know, animals may find themselves in jack lipes situations 232 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: like grizzly bears and polar bears. You know, love is 233 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: uh not a thing that always respects those kind of 234 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: boundaries in the wild. Well, jackal lobe is what happens 235 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: when to jack rabbits a lope there it is, Yeah, which, 236 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: but that that is an amazing image, right, I Like, 237 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: as you said, like we don't there's obviously no feline 238 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: or cat species that has antlers. But uh, for from 239 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: a folklore perspective, the imagery alone, I want to see 240 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: let's do oh yeah, And there's there's also you know, 241 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: the long, the long established tale of the so called 242 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: black dog in the UK, which may play a role 243 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: in this investigation as well. So fast forward, we'll just 244 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: list a few other examples. There's a guy named William 245 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: Cobbett in the seventeen sixties and he in one of 246 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: the books he writes, he describes how he saw a 247 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: cat as big as middle sized spaniel dog near the 248 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: ruins of Waverley Abbey, and then later he says he 249 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: saw a similar creature in New Brunswick. In neither of 250 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: those examples does he have like a body or anything 251 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: like that. But these sightings have become a part of 252 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: British culture. They've occurred for so often and so long 253 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: that pretty much everybody has heard something about them, even 254 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: if they don't believe it. It's kind of like the 255 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: same way that if you live in the US, particularly 256 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: in the Pacific Northwest, you've definitely heard Bigfoot stories, whether 257 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 1: or not you believe they're true. And these sightings, they 258 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: are the belief in these animals can be like they're 259 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 1: they're described by a few group terms A B c's, 260 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: which I still think is funny, which means either abnormally 261 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: big cats, anomalous big cats, or alien big cats. Alien 262 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 1: is in maybe not native to the area more so 263 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 1: than extraterrestrial. And I know, right, I know there's a bummer, 264 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 1: but but it gets better. Phantom cats or mystery cats, 265 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: which just sounds still whimsical. Why it's a mystery cats, 266 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: that's a Saturday Morning cartoon out there, or I just 267 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: figuring it's wearing like a top hat and like carries 268 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: a cane or something like that. Perhaps a monocle, uh, 269 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: sort of like an Inspector Clouseau type cat. You know, 270 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: that'd be cool. I would like I would like maybe 271 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: a little bit of for plot tension, maybe we could say, 272 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: like the mystery cats are trying to chase down the 273 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 1: phantom cats, and there's you know, whatever mcguffins and red 274 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: herrings we want to add in. I imagine, I imagine 275 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 1: it's a cat that whenever you ask it, hey, cat, 276 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: what are you been up to? It says, uh, numerous 277 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: various pursuits, fid eyes, Frederick Thinis, but uh it's fair touchet. Uh. Yeah. 278 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 1: And there are people who say, well, all cats are mysterious, right, 279 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: because they were objects of religious veneration in different cultures. 280 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: But it's weird because these sightings for a time kind 281 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: of fell to the fringe. Uh, and the they were 282 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 1: you know, relegated to folklore, and they were like cool, 283 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: cool stories to learn about in history class, right, And 284 00:18:55,359 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: this was the case until the late nineteen fifties when 285 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: these sightings exploded and this became a modern wave of 286 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: cryptid reports. Always big cats. There were things like the 287 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: cool thing is they all have if they get popular 288 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: enough in the public consciousness, they all get a pretty 289 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,479 Speaker 1: kick ass nickname. There would be things like the Surrey 290 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,719 Speaker 1: Puma or the Thing tiger. And then you know, if 291 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: you're still kind of like the minor leagues of being 292 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: a feline crypted here, you're a cat like beast, which, um, 293 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: which is a weird should we start describing people like that? 294 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: It was it was a cat like beast. Oh man, 295 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: that's really great. And and there's can we can we 296 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 1: shout out the article at least there's one article that 297 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: I was looking through that I think you found been 298 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: from the Independent. Yes, yeah, the field Guide, right, it's 299 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,719 Speaker 1: a it's titled A Field Guide to the Mystery Beasts 300 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: of the British Isles from back into dozen five. But 301 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: it was just it's just it's great, and in particular, 302 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: I think you pointed out here Ben the names of 303 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: these creatures. Each individual one is just a delight. It's 304 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 1: so so wonderful, it is. And the the interesting thing 305 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: about that article in particular is that it laundry list 306 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 1: other alleged cryptids non feline in the UK. So if 307 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: you are not familiar with crypto zoology in the in 308 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: the United Kingdom, then do check out. That article is 309 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: an excellent primer. And it also talks a little bit 310 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: about how these how some of these sightings came to be. 311 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: And this gets reported kind of cyclically in the big 312 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: outfits like the Independent or the Telegraph, or the or 313 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 1: the BBC. But the first, if we trace it back, 314 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: the first modern major news story about an ABC and 315 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: a normally big cat, which reminds the sidebar. It reminds 316 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: me of The Princess Bride. You guys, remember what was it? 317 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: Rodents of unusual guys, Yes, that's what it is. It 318 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: is God. That was such a creepy part of that 319 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: movie in the fire Swamps, right, yes, and they're like 320 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: nas on Carrie Elwiss, poor arm or he gets seriously injured. 321 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: Guess yeah, r o U S r o U S S. Yeah, 322 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: Rodents of unusual size. The Princess Bride still holds up. 323 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: By the way, it's been a long time. I need 324 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 1: to rewatch knowledge. Yeah, it's great. It's got so many quotables, 325 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: mostly dead. Check it out if you somehow I haven't 326 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,360 Speaker 1: seen it anyway, so the first if we trace it back, 327 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: the first major news story about an abnormal lee large 328 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: cat in the modern UK was in nineteen sixty three. 329 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 1: In July there was a guy in a place called 330 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: Shooters Hill who reported seeing something off and then the 331 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: story grew legs or paws and a tail when people 332 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: saw a large golden animal jump over the hood of 333 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: a police car nearby. So now it feels more official, 334 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: and there was a massive search for what people thought 335 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 1: was possibly a cheetah. They went across a hundred eight 336 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty acres, a hundred police, twenty one dogs, 337 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: thirties soldiers. Also, other other professionals were there like ambulance operators, etcetera, etcetera. 338 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: And these investigations went on for a while. Nineteen sixty 339 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: seven when the gold Domine Police Station in Surrey closed 340 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: their big cat investigation like their own sort of feline 341 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 1: project blue book. They had acquired um one plaster cast 342 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: of a paw print that was pretty big. It's like 343 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: five inches across. And uh, they had logged over three 344 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: hundred different alleged sightings of big cats, three hundred and 345 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: sixty two from September of sixty four to August of 346 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: sixty six. So even if there was nothing out there, 347 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: even if we could all be explained away, a lot 348 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 1: of folks were running into stuff, running into something they 349 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: did not expect to find. Yes, and these alleged sightings 350 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: continue with the Cambridge Shires Fenn Tiger in night, Devon's 351 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: Beast of x More and Gwent's Beast of Brechfa, all 352 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: incredible names, both in nineteen eighty three so here I 353 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: was born and Cornwall's Beast of Bodman in nineteen ninety two. 354 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: In May of nine, twelve marines using night vision glasses 355 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 1: scoured eggs more in Operation Beastie after eighties sheep killings 356 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 1: in the area. It's always a good sign when you've 357 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: got like spontaneous sheep killings. Eighty sheep killings in the 358 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: area since the summer. Most of their skulls were crushed 359 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: and their carcasses were gutted, completely eviscerated. Yeah and yeah, 360 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 1: this is a big deal. So to have that many 361 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: sheep killed in that way, right, you see. Look, I 362 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: I've never kept sheep, never been a shepherd, never been 363 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: a farmer where sheep are involved. But I imagine if 364 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: there are arrant deaths of your flock, generally by let's 365 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: say wolves or some other animal like that, that is 366 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 1: going to be or foxes, something's something that's hunting sheep 367 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 1: on a fairly regular basis for a food source. They're 368 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 1: not going to have their heads crushed. If you think 369 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: about the size of a sheep versus the size of 370 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: a fox, fairly smaller animal. Uh, it's not going to 371 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: be crushing skulls. It's you know, could kill it, can eat. 372 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: You know, these animals can easily kill sheep. Uh, and 373 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: you know take one down. But just the concept of 374 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: an animal with jaws strong enough to crush a sheep's head, 375 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: that's baffling. Doesn't make sense. And you'd want to track 376 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 1: down that beast. I love that they're called beasts. Yeah, yeah, 377 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: it's it's fun to think about, right, And this we 378 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: have to remember there's a very serious thing for the 379 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 1: people involved at the time. In if we move further 380 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: into the future, then we see in the Ministry of 381 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: Agriculture conducted an investigation of bodmin in particular, and they 382 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: examined film, photographs, sheep carcasses, alleged spore. Uh, this is here. 383 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 1: This will make you way less fun at parties. Spore 384 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: s p o r E is not the same thing 385 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: as spore sp o o r U. S p o 386 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 1: o r is what we're talking about. That's anything you 387 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: can use to track in animals, like scent or their poop. 388 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: But spore sp o r E is totally different. It's 389 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,719 Speaker 1: a reproductive unit that just has one cell and doesn't 390 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 1: need sex to reproduce very huge video game that was 391 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,959 Speaker 1: overhyped back in the day. Yes, yeah, so, uh, you're welcome. 392 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: You're gonna be a lot of fun at parties now, 393 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: especially given the awkwardness of hanging out with people I 394 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: r L post COVID. So what did they find in 395 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: this investigation. It's very interesting because they said they concluded 396 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: that they could find quote no verifiable evidence that there 397 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 1: was any kind of big cat population out there, But 398 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: they also in the same report said they quote could 399 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: not prove a big cat is not present. Dude, do 400 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: you know that lights the fires right for cryptozoologists? Cryptic fans. 401 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,880 Speaker 1: I I figured it out. Guys. These big cats out 402 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: there in the UK. They are big Foot's pets, so 403 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,479 Speaker 1: they have the same powers as Bigfoot. They can just 404 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: appear and then disappear, be their shape shift and then 405 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: shift out. It's the same thing. They're working together. Verified 406 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,239 Speaker 1: natural geographic doesn't want you to do it right like 407 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 1: familiars almost you know, but send them, Oh, they send 408 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: them out to do their evil Bigfoot bidding, well, just 409 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 1: bring back, you know, some indviscerated sheep, or you just 410 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: leave the sheep there whatever. Yeah, that's what cats do. 411 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 1: They bring it back to show off to their their primate. 412 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: I guess if we're saying Bigfoot is in the mix 413 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 1: and they're showing off to just a general primate. So 414 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: this this continues, and it might surprise people outside of 415 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: the United Kingdom to learn how recent these sightings are. 416 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: Like as recently as it goes on. They have also 417 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: been attacks. They are allegedly attacked by big cats, but 418 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 1: they're definitely physical attacks. There was a guy named Anthony 419 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: Holder who said that he was in Sidenham Park, which 420 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: is southeast of London. This this also comes from the 421 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: Independent UH as a matter of fact, let's just pulled 422 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: the verbatim quote. He had been trying to coax his 423 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 1: cat back. He already had a cat. He was trying 424 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 1: to coax his cat back after hearing it scream, and 425 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,239 Speaker 1: he thought it was being attacked by a fox, so 426 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 1: he jumped his garden fence to chase it away. Everybody 427 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: outside of the UK, garden is like your backyard. So 428 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: he jumps his guarden fence to chase it away. But 429 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: then a large feeline emerged from the bushes and pounced 430 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: on him and sent him flying. And he said, it's 431 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: scratched down the side of my face. His teeth sank 432 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: into my fingers. His face was so close to me 433 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: I could smell its breath. And then he said, according 434 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: to his own estimation, it was about six ft long 435 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: and three ft tall, which makes it almost a lion size. Uh. 436 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: He also said he was able to throw it off 437 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: luckily after about thirty seconds. I have to ask you, guys, 438 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: this is I've I've never spoken to Mr Holder, and 439 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: I don't believe any of us have. But is it 440 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: possible that maybe he was um exaggerating it in his memory, 441 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: or like, is it's the eyewitness problem. Right, how big 442 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: was the actual cat? Uh, A cat that size would 443 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: be pretty powerful. Um, how do you throw that after 444 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: thirty seconds? Well, first it sent him flying right, and 445 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: so you attacked him and he waid what and then 446 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: he got back up. Can't attacked him beginning. Then he 447 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: threw the cat and he went what Sorry, there's my 448 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: little sound effects. I'm just imagine all of that happening. Uh, 449 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: you can't, you can't. You can't do anything with a 450 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: story like this other than go wow, hopefully something like 451 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: that will happen again and no one gets hurt. So 452 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,959 Speaker 1: we can actually verify it in some way with some 453 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 1: form of physical evidence, because right now it's just a 454 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: really interesting story. And you know, Tony doesn't mention how 455 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: many pints he had. Now I'm just choking. Tony has 456 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: nothing to do that of blood taken or of beer drink. 457 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: But but the thing is also in this case, there 458 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: clearly was something that attacked him. That part of the 459 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 1: story is inarguable. Right. So those are just a couple 460 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: of examples, but they're hopefully enough to give us all 461 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: a sense of just how frequent and how recent these 462 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: sightings have been. So the big question, how do we 463 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: explain all of this? For the true cryptic believers out there, 464 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: the theory goes something like this, relict populations of animals 465 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: like sabertooth cats or leopards, lions links it survived the 466 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: ice Age in this part of the world into the 467 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: modern day and the entire time they were learning to 468 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: avoid human beings as civilization and encroached further and further 469 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: into the wild. And for the people who believe this 470 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: theory are subscribed to it. These animals now exist in 471 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: very small populations in dwindling areas of parks, estate's forested land, 472 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: but they still roam the UK and if you are 473 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: particularly lucky or unlucky, you may run into one yourself. 474 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: And that's a fascinating story. I personally dig it, but 475 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: doesn't have any sand. The first thing you have to 476 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 1: admit is like the UK is very heavily developed right 477 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: in comparison to a lot of other places in comparison 478 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: to the US for sure, and it's also one of 479 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: the most heavily surveiled countries in the world, just on 480 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: like CCTV cameras alone, and granted most of those are 481 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: in urban areas London and so on. Yeah, I was 482 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: gonna say, if you, if you get out into the 483 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: country in parts of the UK, there's very little going on, 484 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: Lots and lots of just land, the old moors that 485 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: I'm I'm really that familiar with. But I've definitely driven 486 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: through something past the um where there really isn't much 487 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: going on, and some of the forested areas, I mean 488 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: it's I don't know, there's there's enough mystery left in 489 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: there that I think we have to keep an open 490 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: mind here. Still, Yeah, TI to agree. I think that's 491 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: a good point. And for skeptics, the existence of any 492 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: large cat population at all in this area feels incredibly implausible. 493 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: And forget a breeding population. Remember those are two different things, right. 494 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: You might have like an isolated small population of escaped feelines, 495 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: but a breeding population to be sustainable would probably have 496 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: to be larger than just a couple of cats. And 497 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,479 Speaker 1: then the second thing they ask is where's the actual 498 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: evidence if there were a breeding population through were a 499 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: large population of cats, wouldn't someone have found the scats 500 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: or some spore or skeletons, or perhaps most easily identified 501 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: the carcasses of other animals Wilder domestic appeared to be 502 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: killed and eaten by large feelines. That's that's one of 503 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,959 Speaker 1: the questions. But as we've just as we've just found, 504 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: there have been carcasses discovered right now, the only question 505 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: is what actually killed them. Anyhow, these are all great 506 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: questions on the skeptics end, and the fact is that 507 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: no one has found hard evidence of a breeding population 508 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 1: of cryptic cats, and that leads experts to conclude the 509 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: stories are just that interesting stories. But we're going to 510 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: pause for a word from our sponsor, and then we'll 511 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: dig a little further into the litter box here, which 512 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: is the worst word play, and we're back. Apologies to 513 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: everybody who just just heard the l word and thought, 514 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: damn and I have to clean that thing again. Uh, 515 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: I had. I had a very strong memory of watching 516 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: my cat gingerly cover up her own poop in the 517 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: litter box, just to make sure it was hidden away 518 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,800 Speaker 1: and didn't smell bad. I don't know, I'm I'm applying 519 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 1: that isn't it weird that cats just naturally do that? 520 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: So and also like that not to get more bid, 521 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: but with the fact that they if they're injured or 522 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: they're like dying, they will crawl under the house, or 523 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: they will like hide themselves away. They don't want to know, 524 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: they don't want to be seen suffering by They like 525 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: they're like very private creatures. It's very interesting of the 526 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: mentality of the cat. Yeah, they don't want to be 527 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: attacked while they're vulnerable too, you know. And they'll also 528 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 1: kind of hide. Um, I believe to give birth. So yeah, 529 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 1: sorry about that cleaning winter box when you get a chance, folks. Uh, 530 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,879 Speaker 1: maybe while are you thinking about that, Let's let's look 531 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,839 Speaker 1: at the explanation. So first get this out of the way. 532 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 1: We need the mundane explanation. And in the mundane explanation 533 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: here would be misidentification. If you're not expecting to see something, 534 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 1: then you can be startled by its appearance. So it 535 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: might be and they may have seen an ordinary house 536 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 1: cat of unusual size main coon style from a distance, 537 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 1: and depending on the angle, they might honestly mistake it 538 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: for a larger animal. That doesn't mean it's a hoax. 539 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 1: That doesn't mean they're you know, grifters or crazy people. 540 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: It just means that from their vantage point, maybe the 541 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: thing looked larger than it is. Similar to that story 542 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 1: we did on a strange news not terribly long ago 543 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: about these like dire wolf type creatures that I believe 544 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,919 Speaker 1: pulled somebody over or pulled a cow over like a 545 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 1: guardrail or something crazy like. Yeah, I was allegedly allegedly, 546 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 1: but but a big point of contention that was the 547 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: distance at which the creatures were viewed, and the time 548 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 1: of night, and the you know what I mean, Like 549 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,760 Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that the eyes can certainly 550 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,279 Speaker 1: play tricks on you and in certain circumstances. Yeah, and 551 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: think about you know that main coon example. Uh, honestly, 552 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: some main coons can attain the length of a Eurasian lynx. 553 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: But they the thing is, they weigh less and they 554 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,880 Speaker 1: have a slimmer build, but you might not be able 555 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: to tell if you're looking at them from far enough away, 556 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 1: because they've also got a ton of fur, so they 557 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: get puffed up, you know what I mean. And if 558 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 1: you ever uh, well, I think it looks creepy. But 559 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 1: if you ever see a picture of a main coon 560 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 1: shaved versus unshaven, you can see there's a tremendous difference. 561 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,320 Speaker 1: So we got that out of the way. Misidentification almost 562 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 1: certainly happened in several many of these sightings over the years. Guys, 563 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong here. Some some cat species, 564 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 1: when they are alerted or angry or you know, in 565 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 1: fight or flight mode, do they physically puff up at all, 566 00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,720 Speaker 1: like with their fur going out the way a dog's 567 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 1: back raises sometimes. Yeah, you will see them like arch 568 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,800 Speaker 1: their backs. Have you seen? Have you? They're creepy videos 569 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 1: of it too. I've seen I've seen a cat do that. 570 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: I'm just wondering it's like a lynx species. I'm just 571 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: unaware if they have any other kind of I don't know, 572 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 1: physical appearance change when they're in that attack mode. I 573 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:25,280 Speaker 1: just don't don't question. Yeah, that is a good question. Um. 574 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 1: But again, you know, if you're not expecting to see something, 575 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 1: then you might not have the presence of mind to 576 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: like try to not physical characteristics. You might just be 577 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 1: baffled and then decide to leave, right. Um. Anybody who's 578 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,759 Speaker 1: been surprised by an animal in the wild, especially one 579 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,359 Speaker 1: that might be dangerous, it's probably felt the same thing, 580 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: right And just you're supposed to slowly back away. They 581 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 1: don't want to hang with you again. Uh, And if 582 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: they do want to hang with you, it's probably not 583 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 1: for a reason that you would enjoy. So we've got 584 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 1: that explanation of the way. But secondly, there's something interesting here. 585 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,959 Speaker 1: You absolutely can have sightings of a single large cat 586 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:11,839 Speaker 1: without ever having a native breeding population. In the UK 587 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 1: in particular, there there's a strong possibility that some of 588 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,720 Speaker 1: these sightings could have been former pets that became inconvenient 589 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 1: or illegal and were later released into the wild, like 590 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 1: their exotic pets in Florida. Um not cats, but like 591 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 1: you know, like gators that have been released. So if 592 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: we go over to the BBC reporters did something interesting. 593 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 1: They cited a law in nineteen seventy six is a 594 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 1: possible inflection point the Dangerous Wild Animals Act. Before this act, 595 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 1: there was this weird fad in the sixties and seventies 596 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: and people with enough cheese, enough scratch, enough wealth, or 597 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 1: enough influence would keep tigers or cheetahs or whatever as pets, 598 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 1: just as a fla x And they didn't need anything 599 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,799 Speaker 1: but money to do this. So that you could you 600 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,920 Speaker 1: could go to a park and you could just see 601 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 1: some dude walk in his cheetah and there's nothing you 602 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,800 Speaker 1: could do about it. But once, once this Act was 603 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: passed in direct response to this fad. A lot of things, 604 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 1: like a lot of primates, um larger carnivores, reptiles, especially 605 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 1: venomous ones are really big ones. And then scorpions and spiders, etcetera, 606 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,799 Speaker 1: could no longer be kept as pets unless you met 607 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 1: a number of conditions, unless you got a license. A 608 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 1: lot of people ended up giving away their pets to 609 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,839 Speaker 1: zoos or sad sadly almost said sad fully, I want 610 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:46,479 Speaker 1: to say regretfully, sadly, let's just say sad fully. Yeah, yeah, 611 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 1: it's portmanteau. So sad fully they had to put these 612 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 1: animals down. But it is completely possible that a few folks, 613 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:59,840 Speaker 1: you know, said ah Man mc dermott, my favorite puma 614 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 1: or panther or whatever. For a panther, I can't put you, 615 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,400 Speaker 1: I can't put you in a zoo. You're you're free, 616 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,280 Speaker 1: your soul, your soul was not made for a cage. 617 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 1: But I sadly cannot keep you, thigh McDermott thig off 618 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:22,399 Speaker 1: into the wilds of the estate. You can, you can. 619 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:27,200 Speaker 1: That is so what happened. You know, that happened at 620 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,319 Speaker 1: least a few times, right if it was a fad, 621 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 1: even even in the time before it became illegal, or 622 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,520 Speaker 1: you know the Dangerous Wild Animals Act in seventy six. 623 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,600 Speaker 1: You know that some people had a big cat in 624 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,760 Speaker 1: their home because they thought it was gonna be awesome, 625 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,800 Speaker 1: and they gave it up once the cat became mature 626 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,799 Speaker 1: because they were terrified, you know, or they they had 627 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 1: a human child of their own or something. There are 628 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:56,760 Speaker 1: so many circumstances that could occur that you know, will 629 00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,360 Speaker 1: have occurred that some of these animals got really beast 630 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:06,360 Speaker 1: or or your spouse was allergic. Yeah, right, and so 631 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,800 Speaker 1: like this. If we continue this speculation a little bit further, 632 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,759 Speaker 1: it is possible, if not plausible, that some of these 633 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:21,319 Speaker 1: animals could have encountered each other, and again possible not plausible, 634 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 1: that they could have bred in the wild. And if 635 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:30,239 Speaker 1: they had issue, right, if if they created offspring, their 636 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,759 Speaker 1: descendants may have been born in the wild and roam 637 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,360 Speaker 1: the countryside freely. This is where we get to stories 638 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:41,440 Speaker 1: of things like the Beast of Bodman. That's right. The 639 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,960 Speaker 1: Beast of Bodman was a large panther like cap presumably 640 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:50,640 Speaker 1: named McDermott, that claimed to have been active around the 641 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:57,319 Speaker 1: nineteen nineties. UM, and there are multiple photographs, purported photographs anyway, 642 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,800 Speaker 1: of what this thing looked like. Um. At the very least, uh, 643 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,440 Speaker 1: it looks like an enormous house cat just kind of 644 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,319 Speaker 1: kicking it over there in Cornwall. And also it's been 645 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,200 Speaker 1: seen in Essex Whales also has been home to some 646 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,759 Speaker 1: reports of giant cats in more rural areas. And in 647 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:20,120 Speaker 1: some cases these sightings seem to correlate to UH seeing 648 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:24,080 Speaker 1: these similar kind of scenes of animal mutilation, specifically on sheep, 649 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,399 Speaker 1: because that's what you have out there in Cornwall in Essex. Um, 650 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,239 Speaker 1: though no one's been able to rule out dogs or 651 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:34,640 Speaker 1: foxes who also are fond of mutilating sheep. UM. Then 652 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,080 Speaker 1: the third category we have is as hoaxes, and of 653 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,359 Speaker 1: course in this category we have plenty of examples. UM. 654 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,280 Speaker 1: We don't need to spend much time on this because 655 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,080 Speaker 1: it's obvious when you're talking about things like this, there's 656 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,960 Speaker 1: always possibilities of folks trying to put one over on 657 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,360 Speaker 1: the public. You know, I don't, I don't know, but 658 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,000 Speaker 1: what do you the motivation behind that is? Is it 659 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,080 Speaker 1: just people that want to believe they want be they 660 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:59,680 Speaker 1: actively are doing something dishonest? To make people believe. But 661 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,640 Speaker 1: it's it's duplicitus that seems quinterintuitive, Like, I don't know 662 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,440 Speaker 1: why people would try to spread hoaxes if they're you know, 663 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:11,479 Speaker 1: hoping to shed light on the existence of actual cryptids. Dude. Yeah, 664 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,799 Speaker 1: I've I've been here for a while and I still 665 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,399 Speaker 1: have no idea why people do any of the things 666 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,400 Speaker 1: they do. I'll tell you all right, let's hear it. 667 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,400 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's awesome that what a cool story, 668 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 1: and you get you a little attention, right, It might 669 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,640 Speaker 1: get you on the local news for a second. You 670 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,279 Speaker 1: might make your buddies laugh, like look at that. Look 671 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,919 Speaker 1: who we look who we got them to believe? Huh. Other, 672 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,160 Speaker 1: here's something else. Let's say you're small town somewhere out 673 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 1: in Cornwall. That makes sense, right, Oh man, there's a 674 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,520 Speaker 1: beast out here. Oh shoot, we're gonna start a pub. 675 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,120 Speaker 1: We're gonna name it after this beast. Now it's a 676 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,120 Speaker 1: place to go. We can make some money here. This 677 00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:54,160 Speaker 1: is easier than all this sheep stuff. Anyway. I'm just 678 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,960 Speaker 1: that's this all hypothetical. But okay, okay, that's a good 679 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,080 Speaker 1: point to raise the profile of a place for tourists 680 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:06,200 Speaker 1: cryptid tourism, like the Peemi Silent Zone in Mexico. That's right, 681 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,719 Speaker 1: it's a really good point, Matt. Maybe no, that's it. 682 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,719 Speaker 1: I think that's probably the best argument. Um. But then 683 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,000 Speaker 1: other times it's just s is and g's, you know, 684 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,480 Speaker 1: spores and giggles. Yeah, so we do have we do 685 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,160 Speaker 1: have something really interesting though, and we saved the best 686 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:30,440 Speaker 1: for last. If you like us, love a good a 687 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,239 Speaker 1: good cryptid tale, and even if you think most of 688 00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,720 Speaker 1: them don't add up, and you still find yourself wanting 689 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 1: to believe there's something out there, you might be pleasantly 690 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:45,840 Speaker 1: surprised to learn that get us, some big gass cats 691 00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,280 Speaker 1: have actually been found in the UK. It's absolutely true. 692 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,680 Speaker 1: At least some of these cryptids turned out to be real, 693 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:57,920 Speaker 1: perhaps most famously a puma, a real puma, was captured 694 00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,840 Speaker 1: in Scotland in nineteen d not too too long ago, 695 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,760 Speaker 1: and was after years of reported sightings in the area. 696 00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,880 Speaker 1: The guy who captured this animal as a farmer named 697 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:14,480 Speaker 1: Ted Noble. Uh. He was responding to these many reports 698 00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,640 Speaker 1: of this creature being around, so he set up a 699 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:21,040 Speaker 1: trap and by golly he got it. This uh, this 700 00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:25,799 Speaker 1: cat was transferred to the Highland Wildlife Park Zoo, where 701 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,840 Speaker 1: it lived in comfort until it passed away. And there's 702 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,279 Speaker 1: one happy note that I though I would add with 703 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,400 Speaker 1: the scripted story. The director of the zoo at the 704 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,560 Speaker 1: time was a guy named Eddie or Bell, and he 705 00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,880 Speaker 1: had a theory of his own. He said, you know 706 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,200 Speaker 1: this animal that they named Felicity. By the way, this 707 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:48,200 Speaker 1: animal may have been tamed because she seems to enjoy 708 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:53,320 Speaker 1: being tickled. And uh, that's that's incredibly like sweet. But 709 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,919 Speaker 1: but it means you know that it had clearly had 710 00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,360 Speaker 1: human contact or something like like that in the past. 711 00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,720 Speaker 1: And then there's another example of an actually Eurasian links 712 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,440 Speaker 1: that was found in the nineties. Oh, yes there is. 713 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,400 Speaker 1: But before we hit the links, I'm just trying to 714 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,640 Speaker 1: imagine the first person who attempted a tickle on a puma, 715 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,240 Speaker 1: Like on this particular puma. Let's give it a little 716 00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:21,160 Speaker 1: tickle and see what happens. Yeah, and also hit the links. Underrated, 717 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:26,080 Speaker 1: underrated word play. There there we go, before we hit 718 00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,560 Speaker 1: the links. Um, yes, there there is a story of 719 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:35,160 Speaker 1: a Eurasian lynx that was killed in Norfolk. The story 720 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,839 Speaker 1: goes that it attacked several sheep in the area over 721 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,560 Speaker 1: period a couple of weeks. And the only reason why 722 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,240 Speaker 1: we know about this is because in two thousand three 723 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,360 Speaker 1: there was a story written about it, like it became public. 724 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,000 Speaker 1: The public became aware in two thousand three, and everybody's like, yeah, okay, 725 00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,520 Speaker 1: sure there's a Links out here attacking cheap. But then 726 00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,520 Speaker 1: in two thousand six a police report came out that 727 00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,200 Speaker 1: confirms that the whole thing happened, or at least a 728 00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:06,160 Speaker 1: two six police report about the attack was made public, 729 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:13,640 Speaker 1: I think, and this confirmed that another cryptique case was 730 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:19,320 Speaker 1: indeed true. Additionally, there have also been reports approven reports 731 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,960 Speaker 1: of jungle cats uh speculation about awful lots, and of 732 00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,920 Speaker 1: course Links is another one was captured alive in two 733 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,920 Speaker 1: thousand and one. This was called the Beast of Barnett. 734 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,160 Speaker 1: It was young Eurasian Links and thankfully was also placed 735 00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,920 Speaker 1: safely in a zoo. So it's no surprise that today 736 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,280 Speaker 1: the search for these A b C's, these big cats 737 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,960 Speaker 1: continues across the United Kingdom, and unlike stories of bigfoot 738 00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,880 Speaker 1: or lock nests, it does genuinely seem that at least 739 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,440 Speaker 1: some of the stories are true. If you would like 740 00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,319 Speaker 1: to learn more, check out the research by an organization 741 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,759 Speaker 1: called Big Cats. In Britain, there are a group that 742 00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:59,480 Speaker 1: publishes an annual collection of reported sightings. And just to 743 00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,600 Speaker 1: get in front of this, uh, there are probably some 744 00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,319 Speaker 1: of less listening to the audience today who would who 745 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:09,759 Speaker 1: would say that a cryptid is uh is strictly defined 746 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:14,120 Speaker 1: as a creature purported but not proven to exist. And 747 00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,839 Speaker 1: may argue that links is and pumas don't qualify as 748 00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:22,319 Speaker 1: cryptids because the scientific world was aware of their existence. However, 749 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,279 Speaker 1: I think, for for our money, UH, these, for our 750 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,800 Speaker 1: cat these do count as cryptids because they were rumors 751 00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,480 Speaker 1: that were proven to be true, just like the seed 752 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:39,359 Speaker 1: La cants. But and they were cryptids before we could 753 00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,520 Speaker 1: at least prove that there was something very similar happening, 754 00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:47,919 Speaker 1: say similar creature did exist. And one just one note here, 755 00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,200 Speaker 1: don't do cat nip. Just you know, think about your life, 756 00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,600 Speaker 1: think about your family, everybody it effects, and just don't 757 00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:57,880 Speaker 1: do cat what are you? Are you serious? Is this 758 00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,919 Speaker 1: a thing? I'm a monster that just love it so much. 759 00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,279 Speaker 1: They love it, It's awesome. Also, don't do nutmeg. The 760 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,719 Speaker 1: sailor is way over right, and definitely don't ever try 761 00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:13,520 Speaker 1: the cinnamon challenge. It's terrifying and it will make you gay. Yeah, 762 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,799 Speaker 1: and no one can eat fifty eggs. Yeah, and the 763 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:22,040 Speaker 1: egg create challenge is way easier. Just does there are 764 00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,719 Speaker 1: another challenge that the egg create challenge? That sounds yeah, 765 00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,799 Speaker 1: it's egg creates. You just stuck up egg creates and 766 00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,480 Speaker 1: you try and step on them, but they all break. 767 00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,560 Speaker 1: It's the challenge to break them or not break them. 768 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,800 Speaker 1: It's just way safer. I've got to be very very footed. 769 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,000 Speaker 1: You just kind of like ballet dance your way across them. Yeah. 770 00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,960 Speaker 1: This sounds like big egg propaganda. They're trying to get 771 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,000 Speaker 1: people to buy more eggs. Speaking of what did you 772 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,319 Speaker 1: do an experiment in like school where you had to 773 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,239 Speaker 1: like build a thing to hold eggs and like parachuted 774 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,239 Speaker 1: off of buildings so they wouldn't crack. Were you successful 775 00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,719 Speaker 1: in your attempts? I was, of course you were, Yep, yep, 776 00:49:55,880 --> 00:50:02,040 Speaker 1: your genius you. I definitely I lucked out, but I liked. 777 00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,480 Speaker 1: I can't remember many of the specifics, but I'm sure 778 00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,520 Speaker 1: it would have. I'm sure it was anybody's game. As 779 00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,719 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, I would I remember being surprised, 780 00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,440 Speaker 1: and I think you know, it did occur to me, like, 781 00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,680 Speaker 1: why didn't anybody just hard boil their egg because that's cheating. 782 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,520 Speaker 1: That's like, that's like hot gluing up silver dollar to 783 00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,080 Speaker 1: the bottom of your pinewood derby car. I guess you 784 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,879 Speaker 1: disqualified in the egg situation. You're already in this really 785 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,759 Speaker 1: ridiculous scenario, you know what I mean, Like I I 786 00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,000 Speaker 1: don't know. Well, let us know about your egg drops, 787 00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:38,719 Speaker 1: let us know about your your favorite weird internet challenges. Uh, 788 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,359 Speaker 1: don't do catnet, don't do nutmeg, but do tell us 789 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:47,279 Speaker 1: about any rumors you've heard of cryptid sightings in your 790 00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,839 Speaker 1: neck of the global woods. And let us know if 791 00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,279 Speaker 1: you have, uh, if you have encountered something on your 792 00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,920 Speaker 1: own that you cannot explain. We've had a lot of 793 00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:01,120 Speaker 1: our fellow listeners sharing some pretty credible stories. You know, 794 00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,200 Speaker 1: it does. It doesn't just stop in Idaho, because the 795 00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,080 Speaker 1: truth of the matter is um. The truth of the 796 00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:11,279 Speaker 1: matter is, even though humanity is all over the world now, 797 00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,760 Speaker 1: there's still a lot of wilderness out there, and our 798 00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:20,359 Speaker 1: odds of finding cryptids for various somewhat depressing reasons are 799 00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,960 Speaker 1: actually higher now than ever before. So let us know, 800 00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,359 Speaker 1: and also let us know if you saw a big 801 00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,360 Speaker 1: cat in uh, if you saw a big cat in 802 00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,480 Speaker 1: the United Kingdom, if you're one of those people, if 803 00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,240 Speaker 1: you were one of the people you related to actually 804 00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:40,239 Speaker 1: owned a puma or a leopard in the seventies, and 805 00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,879 Speaker 1: let it go, what happened to it. 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