1 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: When you see those cardinals pecking away, you know it's 2 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: time for another edition of Cardinal Territory. Hello everybody, I'm 3 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: Jim Hayes, joined by Kyle Gibson and Lance Lynn, who 4 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: was absent for the last show because he was in 5 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: a tree stand and he was hunting, and I would 6 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: be remiss, gentlemen, hello if I didn't start by getting 7 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: an update on what sort of carcass that Lance ended 8 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: up with. 9 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 2: Lance, I was over in Ohio, so now I'm back 10 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 2: in Illinois and I've got I've got one that I'm 11 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 2: looking for here, but in Ohio saw one that I 12 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 2: would have liked to have shot. But you know me, 13 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 2: I'm very by the book. Wasn't quite shooting light. Didn't 14 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 2: really seem very ethical person, So I didn't make this shot. 15 00:00:59,320 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 3: On the guy. 16 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 2: When you can't really see what you think it's who 17 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 2: it is. Next thing, you know, you get up to 18 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 2: him like, oh, that's the wrong one. Anyone who's hunted 19 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 2: knows that feeling. There's nothing like the old ground shrink 20 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 2: kings as they call it. But no, I couldn't quite 21 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 2: see him. So that's the that's the hard part of hunting. 22 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 2: You know, you got to have the right shot, right 23 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 2: right angle, all those good things, and you know, he 24 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 2: just didn't present himself for me for that harvest unfortunately, Kyle, 25 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 2: Are you disappointed? 26 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 3: Yeah? 27 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 4: I mean you do your homework and do all everything 28 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 4: you can and then the deer changes course on it. 29 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 4: You know, what are you gonna do? 30 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 3: It stinks. 31 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 4: I feel for you, but I think you have enough 32 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 4: acres to find the one that you need there in Illinois. 33 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 4: You should be okay. 34 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, Ohio is just kind of a bonus hunt anyway, 35 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 2: So you know you're there, just get to stand, get 36 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 2: your feet wet. But yeah, so unfortunately that was that 37 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: was how that went. So well, we're back in We're 38 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 2: back in the rut, and you know, in Illinois here. 39 00:01:58,240 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 2: So I might go out this afternoon and see what 40 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 2: I can. You see what pops out? 41 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, for the record, it's a compound. It's in a state. 42 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: It's not a normal home. We do want to talk 43 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: a little Cardinals baseball, and I think it's fair to 44 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: say that one thing is clear. As Heim Bloom takes 45 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: over and starts to sort of piece together the roster 46 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: for this year's team the upcoming season, they're gonna need 47 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: some pitching. Because Sonny Gray has agreed to a trade. 48 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:29,959 Speaker 1: You think they could probably get that done. Where there's 49 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: a will, there there's a way. Miles Michaelis is a 50 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: free agent. So that leaves the Cardinals with Libertor, McGreevy, 51 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: possibly Polante, and Kyle lay He who's intriguing because he 52 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: was so good out of the pen, always wants the ball, 53 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: has a rubber arm. They're gonna bring him to spring 54 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 1: training and stretch him out as a starter. I think 55 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: he's gonna end up in the rotation. So I wanted 56 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:58,239 Speaker 1: to start with Matthew Libertor. Start with you, Lance Libby. 57 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: Last year, first year, they were worried about its first 58 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: year as a full time starter. Started the season up 59 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,239 Speaker 1: with really good month and another good month in the middle, 60 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: ranted some problems, had a little fatigue issue, but finished 61 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: really strong. You guys were both teammates a Liberatory. So Lance, 62 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: what do the Cardinals have in Libby? 63 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 3: I think we're kind of in a still wait and see. 64 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 2: But I think there's a lot of good signs and 65 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 2: a lot of good building blocks going forward for him. 66 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 2: He's gonna be able to stack years of starting Last 67 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 2: year was a good building block after a year of 68 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: throwing out the bullpen and really understanding understanding how stuff plays. 69 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 2: And then last year was a hey, how's the year 70 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 2: going to go on? As a starter, the ups and 71 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 2: downs of the body of the workload, the in between 72 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 2: start workload. Because I know Livy's a thrower, He's gonna 73 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 2: have to find that in between of throwing too much 74 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 2: and not enough, and the only way to do that 75 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 2: is by doing it. So I think next year he's 76 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 2: just going to be even better. Those those times where 77 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 2: he was, you know, maybe had a you know down 78 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 2: a couple of starts won't be as long. And that's 79 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 2: the part of of you know, doing it for a 80 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 2: year in and year out, you learn to get through those quicker, 81 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 2: or you learn to make him only a start or 82 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 2: two and they don't turn into a four or five 83 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 2: start stretch like they did at times this year. So 84 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 2: I think I think he's only on the up and up, 85 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 2: and I think last year was a good sign and 86 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 2: you know, just getting into it again where he'll be 87 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 2: even better at it because he's already. 88 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: Don't once, Kyle, jump in, we're under new rules. 89 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 3: Just jump in where you feel right. 90 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, thank you, Jim, I appreciate you giving 91 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 4: me the approval to talk. 92 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: Usually usually excuse. 93 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 4: Me, yeah, I mean I don't want to interrupt lance, 94 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,239 Speaker 4: you know, like I'll interrupt you to ask a question. 95 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 4: But I'm not Gonnace, just you know, out of respect. 96 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 4: Not that I don't respect you, Jim, You're a very 97 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 4: respectful person. I respect you. Back to Libby, I think 98 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 4: Libby is is gonna have, you know, a step forward 99 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 4: and be even better. I think if there's one thing 100 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 4: that he probably really took from this year is that 101 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 4: there is a difference in how your stuff plays as 102 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 4: a reliever and a starter. And he had figured out 103 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 4: how his stuff played really well as a reliever in 104 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 4: the last couple of years, and then this year he 105 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 4: really figured out how it played as a starter. And 106 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 4: I think that's something that as as you figure that out, 107 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 4: and as you can carry that from year to year, 108 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 4: you know, that's when you can really take steps forward. 109 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 4: And I know it's a process that maybe fans aren't 110 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 4: a huge you know, they don't necessarily like it because 111 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 4: it takes time, but it's a real thing when you're 112 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 4: trying to use four or five pitches instead of simplifying 113 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 4: and using two or three it's a big deal. And 114 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 4: then when you're going through a lineup two or three times, 115 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 4: it's a big deal. So he's a guy that I 116 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 4: look for to be a really good pitch for the 117 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 4: Cardinals this year. 118 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: He just turned twenty six. He's been around a long time. 119 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: I think people forget he's still a young guy. But 120 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: last one thing I noticed about Libby when he was 121 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: in the bullpen, especially leverage situations, it seemed he pitched 122 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 1: with more of an edge, like there was a little 123 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: growl to the things he did, and I saw some 124 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: of that as a starter. How important is that for 125 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,239 Speaker 1: Libby to be that guy on the mound? 126 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 2: I think it's and it's just finding who you are, right. 127 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 2: I think it's one of those things that as a 128 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 2: young kid, like you just said, he's twenty six and 129 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 2: he's still kind of figuring out who is, who his 130 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 2: demeanor is, who he is, and who he wants to 131 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 2: be out there. When you come up and don't have success, 132 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 2: it's hard to kind of have that. I think you're 133 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 2: starting to see him have success and then he's gonna 134 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 2: get comfortable and who he is and he's gonna you're 135 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 2: gonna start seeing that he's gonna be able to go 136 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 2: out there and just compete. Instead of being like, hey, 137 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 2: I need to show everybody I belong, it turns into hey, 138 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go out here and compete, and then that's 139 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 2: when you take that next step. So I think Libby 140 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 2: needs to know he belongs, and he's proven that he belongs. 141 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 2: Now it's like, hey, how can I go dominate as 142 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 2: much as I can? And that's when that when that 143 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 2: growd comes out. So I'm looking forward to him having that, 144 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 2: Hey I'm in the rotation. I've shown that I can 145 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 2: be in the rotation. Now I can just go compete. 146 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:07,919 Speaker 2: And that's what it's about. Where when you're coming up 147 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 2: and young and you're you're having ups and downs and 148 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 2: you're struggling a little bit, it's you can't really be yourself. 149 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 2: But now he's gonna be able to be himself. I hope, 150 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 2: and you're just I think he's going to be even 151 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 2: better when he gets to be able. 152 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 3: To do that. 153 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: If there's such thing as a learning process, which I 154 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: believe there is. Andre Polante had a learning process last year, 155 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: some good, some not so good. You almost feel for 156 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: him because he wears it. You know, you look at 157 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: him and you know, if he's coming off a good 158 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: outing or a bad outing, I assume dealing with that 159 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: is part of that process kind of you know Polonte 160 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: pretty well. Do you think he's a guy that could 161 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: or should be part of the cardinal rotation coming up? 162 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 4: Yeah? I think he should be, and I think if 163 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 4: he's not, he's going to be a part of somebody's 164 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 4: rotation because this stuff is really good, and he's going 165 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 4: to get another opportunity. You just, you know, if we 166 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 4: probably look at I didn't see all of his starts, 167 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 4: so just how the numbers were, but I'm sure there's 168 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 4: probably five or six, maybe seven starts that probably weighed 169 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 4: a little bit and you know, skewed some of the numbers. 170 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 4: So you know, over the overall, he probably was fairly 171 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 4: average at what he's doing. Hey, what's going on? How 172 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 4: are you? So? 173 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 3: I think that. 174 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 4: You know, he's got to get another chance. I've been 175 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 4: there where you have a down year and you're just 176 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 4: you're not the pitch that you want to be. There 177 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 4: could be a whole lot of other factors that go 178 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 4: into it that cause some of the issues. And once again, 179 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 4: you know, he's also trying to figure out how the 180 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 4: league is adjusting to him starting. I know that sounds crazy, 181 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 4: but he just is. So, you know, I look for 182 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,959 Speaker 4: him to have a bounce back here, and I really 183 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 4: hope the Cardinals keep him and give him another chance 184 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 4: because he's He's great for that clubhouse, awesome personality, and 185 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 4: I think he's gonna have another really good year. 186 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: What what's the problem with Polante when things aren't going 187 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 1: right in your view lands, I. 188 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 2: Think he runs away from contact when he starts giving 189 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 2: up pits, and that's when the walks. 190 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 3: The walks got him this year. 191 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 2: I don't know if there was a different mindsets and 192 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 2: was he chasing strikeouts or chasing non contact. And when 193 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 2: you start doing that, that's when the walks go up. 194 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 2: And when the walks go up, that ground ball seems 195 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 2: to get through and costs you a run or two, 196 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 2: and then the innings get longer. He's a ground ball specialist, 197 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 2: so he needs to realize I'm not going to be 198 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 2: able to chase strikeouts and be a high strikeout guy, 199 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 2: but when I get the opportunity, go for it. But 200 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 2: his problem last year, I think from the get go 201 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 2: was he tried to strike people out. Oh, when you're 202 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 2: trying to strike people out, oh, it turns the three 203 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 2: to two real quick, and then you put a lot 204 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 2: of stressful pitches on yourself, and then that's when the 205 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 2: things snowball on you. 206 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 3: So Number one thinging, he's going to go first two 207 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 3: pitches of it. At bat. 208 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 2: I'm trying to get a ground ball and get it 209 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 2: out and go from there. And if I get the 210 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 2: ability to get to a strikeout count, then go for it. 211 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 2: But you can't strike anybody out. Oh, And I think 212 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 2: that's what he was pressing to try to do last year. 213 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 2: And then when you do that as a picture, it 214 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 2: gets bad for you. 215 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 4: Now, you guys, he's such a thinker, right, He's such 216 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 4: a thinker, and he prepares. He's like you said, Jim, 217 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:18,959 Speaker 4: he is hard on himself. He does wear it. Which 218 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 4: if I was having to sit down with him, and 219 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 4: I've talked to him a lot, I would say, listen, Dre, 220 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 4: you can't be so hard on yourself. I need to 221 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 4: be able to look at you in the dugout and 222 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 4: not know how the outing is going, because you need 223 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 4: to be able to move on to the next inning. 224 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 4: That's that's tough, easier to say, tough to do. But 225 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 4: he's such a thinker. And when you're starting to look 226 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 4: at either arbitration or you know other numbers like you know, 227 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 4: advanced statistics, you know, trying to get your fip here, 228 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 4: your strike up for nine there. Like, at the end 229 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 4: of the day, getting outs is the goal. And if 230 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 4: you can find a good process to get outs, you 231 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 4: will be able to pitch for a long time. And yes, 232 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 4: I look at a guy like Ranger Sworez. Why does 233 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 4: Ranger swore is not gonna start in the postseason? I 234 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 4: don't know, but it probably has something to do with 235 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 4: velocity or strikeouts whatever it is. Like, but Ranger Sworez 236 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 4: is a stud. He gets out at a. 237 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 3: Very high clip. 238 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,559 Speaker 4: Andre Ponte is really good and he has a recipe 239 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 4: to get outs. And like Lance said, pick your times 240 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 4: where you need to get a strikeout and go get one. 241 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 4: Other than that, go rattle through five or six innings 242 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 4: as quick as you can and be that guy that 243 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 4: is above average and is in the seventh inning all 244 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 4: the time. 245 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: I root for that guy because he's a nice guy. 246 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 3: I believe he does have good stuff. 247 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: If you look at your screen right now, you see 248 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: that one of these things is not like the other 249 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: two or former athletes send on a pilot cash. The 250 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: other guy's just a working man, okay. 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So we're talking about, uh, 280 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 1: the Cardinals potential uh starting rotation. I wanted to bring 281 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: up a couple other guys like we saw McGreevy last year, 282 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: young guy who doesn't wear it, seems to always have 283 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: fun out there, always seems to be enjoying himself, and 284 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: he had some success small sample size, we saw big games. 285 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: He pitched really well. 286 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 3: Lance. 287 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: What do you think the Cardinals may have in Michael McGreevy. 288 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 2: I think he could be a solid Uh you know, 289 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 2: he's three four type starter. He's got all the pitches, 290 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 2: he's got all the makeup for it. I don't think 291 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 2: if you look at his stuff as a whole. It's 292 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 2: very complimentary to each other. I don't think he has 293 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 2: a standout pitch or anything like that, but he knows 294 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 2: how to pitch. He moves the ball around. He's not 295 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 2: a Hey, I'm just going to use these two pitches 296 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 2: and get you out. He's gonna move around the strike 297 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 2: zone do his thing. So I think when you look 298 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 2: at that without the high velocity and stuff like that, 299 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 2: you you kind of pushed him in the three four range. 300 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean he can't be very successful in 301 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 2: the big leagues because he has all the pitches. So 302 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 2: it's it's I mean, they've pretty much shown it's the 303 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 2: time to see what you got there. He's had success 304 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 2: at at all the levels. He's had success at times 305 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 2: in the big leagues. Now give him a chance to 306 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 2: be with a big leagues all year ago, the ups 307 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 2: and downs kind of like Libby had to do this year. 308 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 2: That should be his spot next year, if that makes sense. 309 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 2: So I think that's a that's where he's at, and 310 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 2: then hopefully you look at him the next year and 311 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 2: then you got you have him and Libby as a 312 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 2: as your chance to Hey, these two are the guys 313 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 2: that we can we can slot in at at three four, 314 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 2: maybe one of them jumps to a two, and then 315 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 2: you're in a really good spot where you have a 316 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 2: we have two younger guys that have all the pitches 317 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 2: to be successful. 318 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 3: Then you can build around those two in the rotation. 319 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 2: And they're all I think they're similar age wise too, 320 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 2: so it could be could be a good spot for him. 321 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 3: Kyle, Yeah, I I agree. 322 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 4: I like mc greevy. You know, he's got stuff. I 323 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 4: like how he you know, really everything Lance said. You know, 324 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 4: Lance has taking all my information today and just really 325 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 4: you know, taking away the need for me to be 326 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 4: here right now with all of his answers. But I think. 327 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 3: Good point. Good point. 328 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: Uh. 329 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 4: I think it'll be interesting to see how it's swing 330 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 4: and miss changes, and maybe he ticks up over a 331 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 4: full year. You know, It's it's hard to I know, 332 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 4: the game doesn't necessarily like starters like this that don't 333 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 4: get swing and miss and don't have the projectable numbers. 334 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 4: But he's just another guy. All throughout his career, he's 335 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 4: gotten outs, you know's how to pitch, and you gotta 336 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 4: have guys like that, all right. 337 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: For the record, the bosses are new bosses. Foul territory 338 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: probably came from aj Prazinski. They put in a nice way. 339 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: They were like, we want to see the guys like 340 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: interact more. That was their way of saying, we'd like 341 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: to see a little less jump and a little bit 342 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: more of the other guys, So feel free to jump in. Kyle, 343 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: I do want to. I do kind of want to 344 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: steer it. Another guy who I find intriguing, we mentioned him. 345 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: We talked about Kyle Lake, a guy who I like 346 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: a lot. He was Kyle Lahey was nasty out of 347 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: the bullpen and he would pitch back to back game James. 348 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 3: He would pitch. 349 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: He didn't really care when he got the ball. And 350 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: I asked him about it and I said, where does 351 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: that come from? He said, I never want to say 352 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: that I can't take the ball or I'm not ready. 353 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: You know, he always wants the baseball, and now they're 354 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: going to give him a shot to stretch out and 355 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: be in the starting rotation. You know, that guy a 356 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: little bit really quiet, but when he's on the mountain, 357 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: he's intense. He's his own guy. 358 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 3: Lance. 359 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: What do you think about lay he as a starter. 360 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,719 Speaker 2: I think it's a no doubt or it really is. 361 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 2: I think you saw that. Here's the truth of the matter. 362 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 2: He didn't want to get sent down, so he was 363 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 2: always ready. He got screwed when we were with him 364 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 2: being sent down, being overused, and he's like, no, I'm 365 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 2: good every day, I'm good. 366 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 3: I don't want to go back down. 367 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 2: So when you have a guy with that mentality and 368 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 2: then you're gonna give him a chance to start, he's 369 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,199 Speaker 2: got a chance to say, hey, I don't want to 370 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 2: go back to the bullpen, watch me run with this shit. 371 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 2: And that's what I think he is as a person. 372 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 2: He's like, I want to be good. I want to 373 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 2: be a big year. You give me an opportunity. I'm 374 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 2: not turning anything down. So with all this stuff and 375 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 2: his mental in this stuff that he's had to deal 376 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 2: with in his career by going up and down and 377 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 2: kind of he got taken off the roster. I think 378 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 2: the year we played with him, he came into camp 379 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 2: as a as a non roster guy technically, and I 380 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 2: was like, why is this guy not on a roster 381 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 2: and how nobody picked him up when he was in 382 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 2: spring training. They're like, oh, we don't know we just 383 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 2: kind of snuck him through, and I was like, he's 384 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,239 Speaker 2: kind of nscrewed and now he's got a chance. So 385 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 2: hopefully he runs with it. And I think he's got 386 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 2: all the tools to do it. 387 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 388 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 4: I think the other part of this that is beneficial 389 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 4: for the Cardinals just as a whole. Right, you know, 390 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 4: if I'm looking at this from from the higher up view, 391 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 4: is his versatility is something that's you know, not he 392 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 4: is taught and is a little bit more rare, you know. 393 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 4: So if he goes into spring training and say they 394 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 4: do find a veteran guy that they bring in, say 395 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 4: a Quinn Matthews, is you know, taking that next step. 396 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 3: And he's ready. 397 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 4: Well, now you have a couple options where you can 398 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 4: either go to a six man for a little bit 399 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 4: if you need to limit innings for some of these guys, 400 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 4: or you can say, hey, leeki uh once again, I 401 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 4: know the stinks, but there's gonna be plenty of starts 402 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,360 Speaker 4: here forty this year. But we don't want to send 403 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 4: you down because you have this ability to stay stretched 404 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 4: out two, three, four innings at a time, and then 405 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 4: when we do need a starter, you're ready to go. 406 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 4: And that's gonna be. You know, your spot just offers 407 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 4: a lot of flexibility, keeps him in the big leagues, 408 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 4: throwing meaningful innings and getting meaningful outs. 409 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a no doubt. 410 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 2: So you look at this year, the way that they're 411 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 2: gonna go about it, he's probably gonna he's he's in 412 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 2: one hundred and forty max anything. If Matthews is anything 413 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 2: like they hope he's gonna be, he's in one hundred 414 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 2: and forty inning range. 415 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 3: You want Polante. 416 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 2: If he's in there, that's your one sixty with uh 417 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 2: with Libby, there's another one sixty. 418 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 3: To hopefully a little bit more. 419 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 2: But if you start doing that, there's a lot of 420 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 2: innings to cover, and if you're gonna need eight guys 421 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 2: to do it. So if you have those those four 422 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 2: right there, and then you have McGreevy with probably with 423 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 2: his starting pass and stuff like that, he should be 424 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 2: in the one forty one to fifty range. They're gonna 425 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 2: need another one hundred and fifty guy, maybe two like 426 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 2: if you look at it, or maybe a hundred guy. 427 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 3: One hundred and fifty guys. 428 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 2: So you got to figure out how to get these 429 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 2: innings as starters because you have a young bullpen that 430 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 2: did really good when they got put in their spots 431 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 2: in the back end of the season, So how do 432 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 2: you go backwards from there? And it's like, we need 433 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 2: to find multi we need to find eight guys that 434 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 2: can cover five to six innings to start, and that's 435 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 2: where they're at. And they've got the makings of what 436 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 2: we just named four or five. You know, now, who's 437 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 2: gonna be the next three that step up or what's 438 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 2: going to be on the market for for those guys 439 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 2: that are not huge salaries. 440 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 4: So this is this would be my proponent for keeping 441 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 4: Sonny Gray and not trinting him is because you look 442 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 4: at these guys that you just named and how they 443 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 4: pitched in what they're capable of. All of a sudden, 444 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,959 Speaker 4: you have three or four guys that you can pencil 445 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 4: in for a low four high three era maybe even better, 446 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 4: and Sonny Gray leading the whole thing. And I think 447 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 4: we can agree that a good pitching staff can take 448 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 4: some pressure off the offense and that's the stability part 449 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 4: of having a team that consistently wins. And that would 450 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 4: be my. 451 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 3: Yep. 452 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 4: And and taking exactly and teaching those guys a lot 453 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 4: as they go along, because he wants to do that. 454 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 4: I mean, we we both saw Sonny and you know 455 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 4: Sonny really well. Like I mean, how cool is it 456 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 4: if those guys have Sonny Gray down there for him 457 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 4: for their bullpens, you know, just talking and working with 458 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 4: Dusty and working with Sonny and and making making changes 459 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 4: and little adjustments. I can, you know, reap big rewards. 460 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: So the young guys Doyle, Gwynn, Matthews, Roby tink Hans, 461 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: among others. Hello, at your daughter, what's your name? 462 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 4: This is noblely Yeah, she can't hear you right now, Jim, 463 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 4: I probably prefer it that way. I got the headphones day, 464 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 4: and you know, he's just esus, the pretty face of 465 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 4: the family here just saying hi. 466 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: So if those guys are part of the picture, then 467 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: I think having a veteran like Sonny Gray would be 468 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: a good thing. I have a feeling Sonny's gone. He 469 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: already said yeah, I'd be fine with the trade. But 470 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 1: if not, then the Cardinals you're going to have to 471 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: look outside the organization, either trade or free agency. I'm 472 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: gonna get your guys thoughts on that when we come 473 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: back from break stick with us you're watching Cardinal Territory. 474 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 5: This episode of FT is brought to you by Square. 475 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,479 Speaker 5: Your favorite neighborhood spots run on Square. 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Yeah, yeah, we have turn 521 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 3: let's do it. 522 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: And we have Kyle Gibson, who he just lost. He 523 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 1: always comes back. He always comes back. So before the 524 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: break we talked about and I think it's not a possibility. 525 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna happen where the Cardinals are gonna 526 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: have to go outside the organization. They have some young arms. 527 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 3: Are they ready? 528 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: I don't know. They have some guys in the rotation 529 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: now that should be back, and they've shown me they 530 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: can pitch. But they're gonna need some help. So I 531 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 1: gave you guys a little homework assignment, and I gave 532 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: you guys like twenty five minutes to work on it. 533 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 3: So you should be ready. 534 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 1: Give me one or two guys that are either free 535 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: agents or you think realistically could be acquired via trade 536 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: that could help the Cardinals. I'll start with Lance because 537 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: he answered my text first. 538 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 2: I've got two guys, and I think I talked about 539 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 2: him earlier this year. I got Jordan Montgomery, which won't 540 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 2: probably won't be ready to juneish. 541 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 3: But I also have. 542 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 2: Gelida Lucas Jeelita, who they said all signs are healthy 543 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 2: and all that, and both of those guys are kind 544 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 2: of in a hey, we got to prove it. They're 545 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 2: in the age bracket to where hey, you gotta we 546 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 2: gotta have a prove it type deal, and if they 547 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 2: do well, you trade him, you get something for him. 548 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 2: But if they do really well, then you got a 549 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 2: nice combo of veteran guys that do it a little 550 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 2: differently that could be really good for the group that 551 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 2: we've talked about already today. They both are different type 552 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 2: of thinkers, which will will bode well with each guy 553 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 2: in the or different guys in the clubhouse. So those 554 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 2: are my two that I would go and get. And 555 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 2: I mean, obviously I don't know what you know either 556 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 2: one of them are looking for. But Montgomery's probably in 557 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,120 Speaker 2: a in a situation where he's gonna take a one 558 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 2: with an option type of thing, and Gelidos, you know, 559 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,640 Speaker 2: he's got to prove that he's healthy after the little 560 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 2: hiccup that he had right at the end of the 561 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 2: year too. 562 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 3: But I played with I've played with both. 563 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 2: They're both X tammates and both great guys and to 564 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 2: pitch and pitch at a high level in different types 565 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 2: of ways. 566 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 4: So I like, yeah, I think that. I think that 567 00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 4: the two guys that I think I talked about, you know, 568 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 4: if you weeks ago, one would be Zach Eflin. Don't 569 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 4: know what Zach would be looking for, but man, what 570 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 4: a great guy, really good thinker, would be great for 571 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 4: those young guys. And I think the other one that 572 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 4: I mentioned that Lance laughed at me because I had 573 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 4: no idea of what the projected salary is going to 574 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 4: be for him. But I would look at a guy 575 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 4: like Zach Gallon and I would I would look at 576 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 4: him and think about if these young pitchers, if you 577 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 4: really believe you have the right group for the next 578 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 4: four years, three to four years, then you need that 579 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 4: guy to lead that group for those three or four years. 580 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 4: That would just be my opinion. And if a guy 581 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 4: like Quinn Matthews or somebody becomes, you know, a dominant 582 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 4: lefty that you believe he can be, now all of 583 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 4: a sudden, you have a really formidable one two punch 584 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 4: to go along with the other three or four guys. 585 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 4: So that's I don't know. That would just be my play. 586 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 2: Do you think Billy d goes over one hundred million 587 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 2: dollars for a pitcher this offseason? 588 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 4: I don't know. See that's the beauty is here. Jim 589 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 4: did not ask me anything about mister DeWitt and that nursey. 590 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 3: Mike question. 591 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 2: Do you think Billy Dee goes over one hundred mili 592 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 2: this off season for a starting pitcher? 593 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 4: I think that if hein Bloom and you know it, 594 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 4: if you're getting rid of if you're. 595 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 2: Getting rid of Sunny Grade, you're not spending one hundred 596 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 2: million dollars on a damn thing. 597 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 4: I understand. But you have Sonny Gray for one year. 598 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 4: Zach Gallan is going to be five years probably now 599 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 4: all of a sudden, you're you're into this window that 600 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 4: you believe you need to be to bring Cardinals fans 601 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 4: winning baseball again. That is why I would bring in 602 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 4: Zach Gallan to go through this window of the next 603 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 4: four or five years. 604 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 2: Okay, so Zach Gallon and you you're mentioned Sonny Gray. 605 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 2: So Sonny Gray's twenty five a year was his number. 606 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 4: No, this is his last year at thirty five. 607 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 2: I know that, but that that was his number of 608 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 2: his deal. Three for seventy five. That was his number, 609 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 2: all right, So Gallon's probably looking for six. 610 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 3: For the. 611 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,959 Speaker 2: Question that I have is I just you know, I 612 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 2: just think that it's, hey, we're gonna take money away. 613 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 2: Let's sprinkle lens some one for fives to tens. 614 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 3: Let's see where we're at. 615 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 2: Come, do you think he's gonna get six? You think 616 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 2: he's getting at least he's getting at least five. I mean, 617 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 2: if he wants to take a shorter if he wants 618 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 2: to take a shorter deal, it's gonna be over. He's 619 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 2: younger than Sonny was when he got his deal, so 620 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 2: ga Gallon's thirty. Yeah, So if it's a he's gonna 621 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 2: get at least four and it's gonna be over. It's 622 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 2: gonna be twenty five to thirty a year, at least 623 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 2: in my opinion. So I don't think that fits the 624 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 2: mold of the Cardinals off season. 625 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 3: And I also don't think I know how high. 626 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 4: Approaches. 627 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 3: True. 628 00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 2: True, but in my opinion, if you're going to do that, 629 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 2: you keep sunny. The next thing, you know what those 630 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 2: start as we're talking about now, you gotta now you 631 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 2: gotta you're in the You're in the stake. 632 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 4: That's what we talked about already. I agree. I look back. 633 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 4: I look back and see how Texas did it. You know, 634 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 4: those couple of years after we were no longer there, right, 635 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 4: you know, everybody probably thought that they were a little 636 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 4: nuts going into twenty twenty two and bringing it secret 637 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 4: and Simeon and putting Staples at the middle of the field, 638 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 4: and like, well they didn't add any pitching. You know, 639 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 4: how is this going to play out? Well, then twenty 640 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 4: twenty three they got their pitching. Yeah they had You know, 641 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 4: I think, like, you can do the same thing, you 642 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 4: can bring it down and then now it helps you 643 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 4: for the next four years. 644 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: I haven't had had a rough season last year, right, yeah, 645 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: I just one. 646 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 2: If that hurts the things he's done in the postseason 647 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 2: and the things you're looking at, worst case scenario, worst 648 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 2: case scenario, he's four for twenty five. 649 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 4: A year. 650 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 2: In my opinion, and then he wants to do order deal. 651 00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 2: He's going to get more than twenty five on a 652 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 2: show shorter term deal. 653 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: All right, Well, I think we gave folks some things 654 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: to think about as we focused on pitching today because 655 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: we had both our pitchers. Matt Holiday not here this week. 656 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,959 Speaker 1: Hopefully he rejoins us next week. But gentlemen, you did 657 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: give us a lot to think about. Always a pleasure. 658 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: Even though Kyle Gibson took a couple of shots at me. 659 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: Didn't appreciate that, but I appreciate spending some time with you. 660 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 3: Thanks Jim, And. 661 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: It was nice and it was nicely in your daughter 662 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: as well. That's gonna do it for this edition of 663 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 1: Cardinal Territory. We'll have another one coming up shortly. We 664 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: hope that one will not suck.