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Speaker 3: American flourish. Title of that, American flourish.

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Speaker 1: Oh shit, I don't know that that the words go together. Well, okay.

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Speaker 3: The headline is we just got back from the Olympics.

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Speaker 3: And I'm pointing all my fingers everywhere else because, as

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Speaker 1: a class parable or like something about wealth, about wealth,

434
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Speaker 1: and if you're gonna do something about sexual assault like

435
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: that is those are those are big swings that I

436
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 1: think people really want to see, like The Landing Stick,

437
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,360
Speaker 1: and they have intense reactions to those things, like I mean,

438
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 1: both both those movies garnered intense reactions, and it's because

439
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 1: what she does is incredibly bold. So she brought that

440
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: boldness to so much of this movie, but it didn't

441
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 1: feel like even the moments that felt like sensational and

442
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: that we've come to expect from her, they felt balanced

443
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,199
Speaker 1: now because because they across the board, we were just

444
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: living in a heightened reality. That And not to say

445
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 1: that it wasn't about anything, because obviously it's about so

446
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: many things. It's obviously about trauma. It's about it's about trauma.

447
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 1: Jamie Lee Curtis.

448
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was funny because like you're just like,

449
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 3: isn't everything but in a real way.

450
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: But I guess what I'm saying is this.

451
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 3: I was excited to see her adapt in existing work

452
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 3: because I was like, now she can just focus on

453
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 3: putting all of her onto it. And I really liked

454
00:26:55,240 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 3: seeing all of her onto It and Jacob ELORDI, I

455
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 3: think his Oscar chances increased. I don't know if he'll whim,

456
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 3: but he's fucking great in this He's amazing.

457
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh well, I can't speak to this movie, but

458
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: I generally find him to be unbelievably talented and great

459
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: at every like at what he's done, like almost pound

460
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: for pound, like role for role. I'm always like, well.

461
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I didn't really know, because, to be

462
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 3: honest with you, I'm kind of I'm kind of a

463
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 3: neophyte when it comes to being exposed to his gifts

464
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 3: because I'm not a Euphoria girly and I'm not a

465
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 3: Euphoria girl.

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Speaker 1: It kind of makes me dizzy, of course, I understand.

467
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: I it took me. I think I watched the first

468
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: episode of Euphoria and then waited like a full two

469
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 1: years later to watch the rest of the show, and

470
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: he from the beginning is like, well, who's that guy? Right, right,

471
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:47,959
Speaker 1: right exactly.

472
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 3: I feel like watching Euphoria in the very beginning, like

473
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 3: it reminds me of being in like in like seventh grade,

474
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 3: when when like you were in health class and you

475
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 3: were seeing like like the day in health class when

476
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 3: I'll never.

477
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 1: Forget this one day. Maybe everyone had a version of this,

478
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: but there was a day in like seventh or eighth

479
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: grade was in health class where they were talking about

480
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: sti's and they were showing pictures of stuff that could

481
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 1: Maybe this was like a scared straight tactic, but there

482
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: was pictures on the board of like what happens to

483
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: your body when you get this STI or that one

484
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: or that one, and it just modeled those picks.

485
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 3: It spun me out so much that I remember one day,

486
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 3: all the blood left my face and I had to

487
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 3: lay down on the table and then I was sent

488
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 3: to the nurses office for two hours because I couldn't. Like,

489
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 3: I just I don't know what happened to me, but

490
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 3: I get that feeling when I watched you for you out,

491
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 3: Like I'm just like, oh my god, this is so overwhelming,

492
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 3: Like I don't know what it is. It takes over

493
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 3: the systems of my body and shouts that it's body horror.

494
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: It's body horror, but yet it's not. But it kind

495
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: of is, you know what I mean, Because it's teens

496
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: and these kind of situations and it's so stylized and

497
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: like I said casual. Well, I'm just like, oh, like right,

498
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: what do you think of this sentence? Sarah Sherman like

499
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: broke this open for me. We are all of us

500
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: human bodies that all have are governed by the same

501
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,719
Speaker 1: processes that are at the end of the day, disgusting.

502
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 3: Oh and I think that the media that we're talking

503
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 3: about makes that extremely clear.

504
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: I have appreciated Sarah's work specifically because I'm like, oh,

505
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: this is like there is like a political commentary that

506
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: she is making about like shit coming out of her

507
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: like like hamburger helper, shit coming out of a butthole,

508
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: or like you know, like her nipples hanging all the

509
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: way to the floor. I'm like, oh, we're all just gristle. Yeah.

510
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: And I'm like, but she's doing it and in this

511
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: artistic way this I might just should I just start

512
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: a Sarah Sherman stand podcast, like I have, I have enough.

513
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: I could talk about this girl forever.

514
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 3: If you did a Sarah Sherman podcast, it would get

515
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 3: listened to, like it would it would be in the

516
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 3: top two hundred. Oohen Yang Sarah Sherman podcast.

517
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it.

518
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 3: But she's right and she should say it. And she

519
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 3: should keep saying it that you should keep saying it.

520
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 3: It's it's like that in in Saltburn. I mean it's

521
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 3: like that in Wuthering Heights too. It's like there's so

522
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 3: much like blood, well not even blood and Gordon at

523
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 3: the end, like you get like stylized stuff. I don't

524
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 3: think I'm spoiling anything here to say that the film

525
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 3: ends in significant death and it is, you know, tragic

526
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 3: and stylized. And not to call it, not to call

527
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 3: it death romantic, but it is romantic.

528
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

529
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 3: Like it's in that in in the definitive way. It's

530
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 3: just grand and it's a statement. And I've said this

531
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 3: about her other films too, like she has a fascination

532
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 3: with the corpse.

533
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:06,479
Speaker 1: Huh yeah, yeah, like in the first film. I'm not spoiling.

534
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 3: Well, this is a spoiler alert for promising young woman.

535
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 3: But at the end when carries.

536
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: Yes, there's a moment.

537
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's like a lot about her corpse and the

538
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 3: way it moves and sounds and the way they have

539
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 3: to break it down. And then that happens again in

540
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 3: Sulburn when spoiler alert, Jacob Elordi is found in the

541
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 3: maze and you hear the flies around his body and

542
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 3: you see, I believe it's Richard Y Grink goes up

543
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:33,959
Speaker 3: to the body and tries to move it, and like

544
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 3: the sounds just make are very stiff.

545
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: It's just it's all very I mean the.

546
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 3: First scene of the of Wuthering Heights, I'll say a

547
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 3: spoiler alert for fifteen seconds is a man is being

548
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 3: hung in the town square and the entire crowd is

549
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 3: like ecstatically and euphorically looking at his erection while he

550
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 3: takes his last breaths, and you're like, okay, we are

551
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 3: at Emerald Finel's Wuthering Heights. And then it just continues.

552
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 3: But it is this fascination with corpse that and like

553
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 3: like corporal function or lack thereof that kind of does

554
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 3: connect Sarah Sherman to Emerald Fanel And I thought you

555
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 3: didn't think that would happen there at that that.

556
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: No, I love it any any anything that relates back

557
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: to Sarah Sherman. That makes me happy.

558
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 3: But it's but it is there, like it is like

559
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 3: there is I don't know, I would be interested in

560
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,239
Speaker 3: the perspective on that, Like if we ever do have

561
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 3: Sarah Sherman on this podcast and ask her a real question,

562
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 3: or Emerald Fanel, just like I would ask, like, where

563
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 3: are you coming from when you tackle the human body

564
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 3: this way?

565
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: Like I do think it's fascinating. Well, the thing that

566
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: I would genuinely love to ask Sarah is she draws

567
00:32:53,240 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: the line at what she will not boers, yeah, because

568
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: and then I'm like, Sarah, why why don't you like

569
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: to do booger stuff or why don't you like burger stuff?

570
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: And all she's ever been able to say to me is,

571
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: I mean, what are we, chuck, We're grown We're grown ups,

572
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: like Aretuly seven. So much of her humor is like

573
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,479
Speaker 1: and then their head comes off, and yet boogers are like,

574
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: what are we children? She's She's like, con I.

575
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 3: Mean that episode with her, it's rare. We get blackout,

576
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 3: but we.

577
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: Didn't even drink that much. Can I say we had

578
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: one martini each, but we felt drunk.

579
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 3: Well, it's kind of like that thing again, warped reality escapism.

580
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: It's like we wanted to be drunk and so we were,

581
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: and so we were totally wait a minute, back to you. Potentially,

582
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: I feel like we've always been at the precipice of this.

583
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: If you wanting to try video games and it never

584
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: totally works well because.

585
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 3: I can't figure out how to plug it in really

586
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 3: or get the games on the on the thing. Once

587
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 3: I figure out how to load games onto the way,

588
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 3: it's over for you.

589
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: You can easily. I think there's plenty of resources out there.

590
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: I think you have people in your and sort of

591
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: your network and your orbit who can help you with that.

592
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 3: In the words of Charlie XCX, I want to be

593
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 3: taken out of myself, which is one of the new

594
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 3: songs on the album There you go, take me out

595
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 3: of myself, someone and show me it's possible to become

596
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 3: a little gamer, because I I really was one.

597
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: Like when we were at the museum, I was like,

598
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: I was this girl. I was that little girl was me.

599
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: It was me. Can you talk about I'm gonna give

600
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: you like a little Helix sleep quiz. Okay, do you

601
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: want narrative or does this story not really matter?

602
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 3: I think this is an annoying answer because I would

603
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,919
Speaker 3: get nowhere with Helix by saying something like this.

604
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. It would depend on the type of narrative,

605
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 1: Like if it's a compelling narrative one hundred percent. But yeah,

606
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: but also my entire history is in like achievement based

607
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: super Smash Brothers type Mario Kard type stuff. I one

608
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: time played the Super Mario r GP on the Super Nintendo,

609
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: which I thought was a great MARPG. Yeah. Yeah, yes,

610
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: I thought that was amazing. Uh huh. They re released it.

611
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 1: They remade it for Switch? Did they with the same narrative,

612
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: same narrative, They just updated the graphics. Wow. Cool. So

613
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: when we played Split Fiction a few weeks ago, what

614
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: did you think?

615
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 3: I loved it because you know what I loved about

616
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 3: it the fact that I felt like it was clear

617
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 3: what I was supposed to do and how I was

618
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 3: supposed to do it.

619
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: It is that an example of a game for babies. No,

620
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: I don't think you need to worry about for babies,

621
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: because there's there's like a there's like a running joke

622
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: now among the gaming community that like games now. So

623
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: this might surprise you. Games from when you were a

624
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: video gamer as a child and in your younger years

625
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: were harder than they are now. Really, yes, and I

626
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: know that might be hard to believe. There's obviously games

627
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: that are there is like a genre of games that

628
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: are purely about difficulty and about like you are supposed

629
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: to die and fail, like roguelikes, elden Ring, Dark Souls

630
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: from software games. So Patty friend of the Pod, Patti

631
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 1: Harrison loves those games. That's where she and I differ,

632
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: like I do like a bit of handholding, and I

633
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 1: think you might as well. I think the perfect balance

634
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: for you is and I try to get you on

635
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: this is Zelda Breath of the Wild. Yeah.

636
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 3: So there's something okay, And I'm just gonna say this,

637
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna it's it's just my truth.

638
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: Okay.

639
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 3: There's something about Zelda to me which is a shame,

640
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 3: which is that there's no humor in it.

641
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. I think I need things

642
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:05,959
Speaker 1: to be a little sillier and dumber or more. Final

643
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: Fantasy is a great option. There's like a lot of

644
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: weird shit. I think Dragon Quest is actually really a

645
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: good option, which is what I've been playing in the

646
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 1: last seventy two hours exclusively. Dragon Quest is seven reimagined you,

647
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: I think, and I think this will this will motivate you.

648
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: I think Jared, our friend Jared loves the Spider Man

649
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: games Yeah, he does love the Spider Man and those

650
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 1: are wonderful experiences. Yeah, I think he would really love those.

651
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: Great storytelling, great voice acting, great gameplay. You really do

652
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: feel like Peter Parker or Males Morales as you swing around. Okay,

653
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: it's a wonderful time considering. And there's a great Asian villain.

654
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: Oh really Yeah, I'm looking for.

655
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 3: Something else to fill my time with as I head

656
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 3: on tackle the which I think we all must do,

657
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 3: the social media addiction and social media reliance, just having

658
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 3: the phone to not be a thing gotten, like the

659
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 3: reality that that really.

660
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: Needs to be more of my life, like got me

661
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: on this And so I'm just like I said, great cure.

662
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: It's a great cure. Take me away, take me out

663
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: of myself. What is it?

664
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 3: What's the Charlie, take me out of myself. Yeah, it's

665
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 3: it's so good. I'm excited for you to listen to it.

666
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 3: It's and every song is good. There's a song Goled

667
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 3: Seeing Things, which is amazing. Always everyway it's so good.

668
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 3: There's there's a wall of sound this song wall of

669
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 3: sound in the movie. It's like I said, the push

670
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 3: and pull of the strings and Margot Robbie and Jacob

671
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 3: ELORDI like, there's something about it where in the beginning

672
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 3: I was.

673
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: Like is this Do I like them together in this?

674
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: And then by the end I was like, yes, I

675
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: like them together in this. I think it. It's just

676
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: part of the stylization.

677
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 3: Again, like I did not expect myself to go in

678
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 3: and be like fuck yeah, but I'm leaving kind of.

679
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,439
Speaker 1: Being like fuck yeah, okay, great this. Did you watch

680
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: Bad Bunny? I just, of course, of course I watched

681
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 1: Bad Bunny featuring as Stefania and Enrique Martine. Is that

682
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: his full first is that as like, I have like

683
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: no idea, He'll just be always be Ricky Martin to me.

684
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 3: He's having a huge month when you count the Super

685
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 3: Bowl and the fact that almost all of the ice

686
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 3: dancing routines were to some medley or version of Ricky

687
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 3: Martin's greatest from the nineties.

688
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 1: So in the round of ice dance that we saw,

689
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: it was it was a nineties night, yeh. And so

690
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: it was a lot of Ricky Martin, a lot of

691
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 1: waiting for tonight, not just Jlo, not like the broad

692
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: j Loo catalog, but it was like waiting for tonight.

693
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: Some of them mashed up with If You Had My Love,

694
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: but it was really staggering and you went, okay, okay,

695
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: here's another version of this. And then I mean I

696
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: loved UK doing a Spice Girls medley.

697
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 3: They were so there were so many great choices. Again,

698
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 3: probably the best choice of song they would ultimately win

699
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 3: was the French pair doing Vogue because it.

700
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: Gave you something to latch onto.

701
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 3: But I will say every time you heard Oods, you

702
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 3: were never upset and we were living love.

703
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm happy that Bunny brought on Oh my god,

704
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: you have to I'm still playing Worswaldo on that shot

705
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 1: of all the people at the at the house, still

706
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: people partying. I just I just thought it was like

707
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: what the billboard was saying. It was like this gorgeous

708
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: explosion of love. I was like, that was Benito giving

709
00:40:55,560 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 1: everyone a hug. That's that's I guess what it is is.

710
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: It's like showing up now in a way that's that visible,

711
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: means like, Okay, here's your opportunity to send a message

712
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: to the world. And the fact that he, as a

713
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 1: person with a worldwide platform, said my message is joy,

714
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: my message is love, my message is togetherness. My message

715
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: is positive. My message is hope.

716
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 3: Like my message is not wow this Olympian that's speaking

717
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 3: out like in a way that is a loser, like whatever,

718
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 3: not to even bring out a given and because it

719
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 3: also fucking jokes, but bad Bunny shows up with a

720
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 3: worldwide platform and his messages. Hey, here's the most fun,

721
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 3: most expressive, most passionate music of the year, fresh off

722
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 3: my album of the year. When here's everybody, here's a

723
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 3: literal party on stage. Here it is and received for sure.

724
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: It's like the tight shot of him walking through sugar Caine.

725
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: It's like it's into me. It's like it's like you're

726
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: following someone through like this like organic natural thing. It's

727
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: it's I don't know. I mean like we're already like

728
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: two weeks after the fact because we've been bouncing around

729
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: doing her various jobs. But like I think it's I

730
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: think it's it's truly one of the best. It's one

731
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: of the most indelible, one of the best. It was

732
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: up there for me with obviously Beyonce mm hmm, obviously

733
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: Goga and the Shakira in Jala one.

734
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 3: I always put respect on its name and I do

735
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 3: rewatch the Katy Perry one a lot.

736
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: I actually love that Katy Perry halftime show someone. I

737
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: think I think there was a clip of it that

738
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: went around of like when she said I know a

739
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: place sing it, and then the whole stadium did sing

740
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: where the grasses are really greener. You gotta hand it

741
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 1: to her.

742
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,439
Speaker 3: You have to hand it to her, like a whole

743
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 3: stadium doesn't lie. It's actually a real culture number twenty.

744
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 3: A whole stadium doesn't does it live?

745
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 1: But you do go like Katie Harry and the current

746
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: day is tough, and this is purely, purely us retrospectively

747
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: being like that, what a what a lovely moment in

748
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: Super Bowl halftime show history, And that's and that's really it.

749
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 3: I mean, look, I am moving forward with arms wide

750
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 3: open for everyone that is in an evil fucking hag

751
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 3: Like that's that's that's the energy I'm moving forward with.

752
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: And I think that's what bad Bunny would want us

753
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: to do.

754
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 3: I just I feel like all the little quibbles and quabbles,

755
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,479
Speaker 3: like not to say that people shouldn't be like held

756
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 3: to account for like things that they've done, but like

757
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 3: I am mad at Katy Perry, like the world is

758
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 3: too the world is too much to hold, to hold

759
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,280
Speaker 3: bad feelings in your heart against Katy Perry, I think,

760
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 3: I think, don't you think.

761
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: I just think about the nun fair? Just think about

762
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: the nun fair.

763
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,280
Speaker 3: But I'm saying the nun If the nun was really

764
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 3: walking in Christ, wouldn't the nuns say forgive.

765
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: Her dying breath? Katie Perry, please stop speaking of forgiveness.

766
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 3: What do you think is gonna How do you think

767
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 3: this tyro top model documentary is going to pan out?

768
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: You know, the fact that we're talking about it as

769
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: much as in like you and I and like our friends.

770
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 3: Next week we have the highest anticipated events of the year.

771
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 3: For me, I cannot wait to see this shit. It

772
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 3: legitimately feels that way. I feel like Netflix has not

773
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 3: put this much pre promotion into something like this in

774
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 3: a long time.

775
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: Well, they don't traditionally. I agree with you.

776
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 3: It does feel like there's been lead up to this

777
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 3: where you don't traditionally get that with Netflix, they kind

778
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 3: of are like, hey, something's coming out in two weeks slop, yeah, yeah,

779
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 3: it'll because of the way they move through their content.

780
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 3: But this does feel like it's being eventized and then

781
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 3: for her to come out and be like America's Top

782
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 3: Model Season twenty five, and she said, my work is

783
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 3: not done. I said, I couldn't be more interested, couldn't be.

784
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: This was this what we were saying last time though Cycle

785
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: twenty the cycle that we were watching on VH one.

786
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 3: I mean we we watched the last one that was

787
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 3: on at all. And by the way, I never told

788
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 3: you this, but there was one contestant I won't say who,

789
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 3: but I remember watching it because we actually we recapt

790
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 3: it for Vulture, but I was watching it and there

791
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 3: was one girl who all of a sudden was just

792
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 3: kind of gone, like she was like she was she

793
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 3: was like maybe made it to I don't know, Top

794
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 3: six or something, and then she just left and it

795
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 3: seemed like everything wasn't all the way well with her.

796
00:45:56,239 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 3: Four and that we covered, yes, And last year, I

797
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 3: walk into a coffee shop around where I used to

798
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 3: live in Queens and there's this girl talking to the

799
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 3: barista and I'm like, where do I recognize this girl from?

800
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 3: And it was her, and so I had sort of

801
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 3: a friendly relationship with the barista, and so I'm looking

802
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 3: at her and then I look at him and I

803
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 3: communicate with my eyes like I think I recognize her,

804
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 3: and the look that he shot me back was.

805
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: Don't no, don't, don't bring it up. Don't And I

806
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: was like, well, I wasn't going to, by the way,

807
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: I because once I cost you you yeah, yeah, well,

808
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: because I feel like, especially with top model like those

809
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: girls like you, don't, I would never want to get

810
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: into it with one of them because it's so clear

811
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: that it was not a healthy atmosphere like it.

812
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 3: That's the entire conversation around it. Now, that's why we

813
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 3: have this documentary, so I would like. But I was

814
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 3: thinking in that moment, like it was so wild that

815
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 3: his reaction to me was to shake his head with

816
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 3: wide eyes, because clearly people were affected by their experiences,

817
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 3: to put it mildly adverse ways. And so now it's

818
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 3: it's to see it occupy the news again, especially at

819
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 3: a time when we're talking about how young women have

820
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 3: been subjugated and treated in trafficked across the world. I

821
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 3: don't know, if it were up to me, probably wouldn't

822
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 3: be bringing it back.

823
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: But you know I do. We think that Tyra is

824
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: eager to return to it because she feels like there's

825
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 1: something redemptive. I think she wants to do the right thing.

826
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 3: I will say that about I really do think that

827
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 3: she probably thinks, you know what, I hate.

828
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: That this is the narrative around this. I too was

829
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: once a young model.

830
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 3: I know what it's like to be treated, you know,

831
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 3: in ways that, again, to put it mildly, were unsavor

832
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 3: and like we can't even begin to know. And I'm

833
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 3: sure she doesn't want her name and something that she,

834
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 3: you know, brought into this world to be associated with

835
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 3: destroying the psychees of young women trying to work in

836
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 3: the very same industry that she made it it. I'm

837
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 3: certain that she feels like there's an opportunity here, and

838
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 3: I really don't believe and don't want to believe that

839
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 3: it's just about her image. Like I I hope that

840
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 3: she wants to restore what she broke here.

841
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: Right, because there was a time when that show was

842
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: at the forefront of reality television. I mean, yeah, you

843
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: could argue that it defined that we wouldn't have a

844
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: drag Race without top Model or yeah, because it was

845
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: because drag Race. There was a time when drag Race

846
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: was just was like very actively parodying Top Model.

847
00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, the entire the entire set is based on

848
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 3: that format.

849
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: HM that Drew and Drag was Tira and We Out

850
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: of Drag was Tim Gunn pretty much.

851
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:14,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the Project Runway meets meets Top Model

852
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 3: and you get drag Race.

853
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: You get drag Race totally. Which is to say that

854
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: like image saving like I think is part of it

855
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 1: for Tira, But I don't think that's like a totally

856
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: inadmirable I don't think that's like a bad thing necessarily,

857
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: Like she I don't know, I don't know, we don't

858
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: know her, so it's hard to say.

859
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 3: But it's like I at this point, I would just

860
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 3: want to assume that with everything we know about how

861
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,280
Speaker 3: dark the world is and how fucked like, at this point,

862
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 3: it's like you wouldn't you wouldn't consciously bring back that

863
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 3: television series to make things worse of like you know,

864
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 3: you're not gonna like line them up and be like,

865
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 3: all right, which black girl, we turn in white?

866
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like it's never going back there.

867
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: But I would imagine and I would hope that they

868
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: just try to do an honest depiction of what it

869
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 1: would be like for people to come and try and

870
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: make it in the modeling industry and not sensationalize it

871
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: for dramatic purpose, which is unreal and harmful, but also

872
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: not sanitize and go all the way out of the

873
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: way and make it.

874
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,760
Speaker 3: Toxically positive because Loki, those are just not fun to watch.

875
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 3: So make it competitive and make it, make it edgy,

876
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 3: and make it relevant to what the industry is. But

877
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 3: let's not chop a girl's ear off because the challenge

878
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 3: requires it.

879
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: Sure underrated gem. I think people must watch OMG Fashion

880
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: hosted by Julia Lux with Law Roach Yep and rotating judges.

881
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 1: It's just your in and out and Julia put me on.

882
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: I think you put us both on it. It's like

883
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: Julio's favorite show. It's like, yeah, every episode is twenty

884
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: five minutes. You see, it's like three contestants per show.

885
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: It's a breeze. It's a breeze. Oh, it's just delightful

886
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,760
Speaker 1: and you see people like make fashions. It's so fun,

887
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: Like it's really good.

888
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 3: You want so have you been exclusively on the video

889
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 3: game tip or have you been watching any Bravo.

890
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: I've not watched much Bravo out. I not know you're

891
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: watching Summerhouse or you want to talk about Summerhouse.

892
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 3: I'm watching Summerhouse and it's hard because I love Kyle

893
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 3: and Aman a book I know, and I feel like

894
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 3: one thing I really don't like is when couples fight

895
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 3: in front of people and their friends, like it was

896
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 3: happening already. I'll never forget. Oh god, it's just like

897
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 3: it's so thick. It's really what it is is it's

898
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 3: just two people who and we can say this because

899
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 3: we've been around them, we know them. They clearly love

900
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 3: and adore each other. They just shouldn't be together, which

901
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 3: we know is happening. But it's why watching people in

902
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 3: real time kind of realize like the anxiety is creeping

903
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 3: up in different ways for both of them, which is like,

904
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 3: oh my god, this isn't working, and now I have

905
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 3: to decide to extricate myself from this situation and that

906
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 3: is so stressful.

907
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: Hmmm, yeah, I mean, should we say that, like when

908
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: we were with them before they started shooting, that things

909
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 1: seemed okay. They seem like they love each other. It's

910
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,280
Speaker 1: just that that is different. And we also were hanging

911
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: out with them in like a heightened act and a

912
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: very cartying and camp you know what I mean. Like,

913
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: but then but we were with we spent time with them.

914
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, definitely a lot of time. I was

915
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 1: like they It was funny.

916
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 3: Because like I had never really watched Summer House for years,

917
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:52,399
Speaker 3: and so I got into it in the last couple

918
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 3: of years. And when people were saying like, oh, the

919
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 3: whole you know, Kyle and Amanda of it all, blah blah.

920
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: Blah, I'm like, that feels like really blown out of

921
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: proportion to me because I was just like around them

922
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: and like they're they're they seem great. And then yeah,

923
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: you watch the show and you're like, oh, it's that

924
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 1: thing of when when the cameras are rolling and it's

925
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: let's roll on reality, you kind of have to be

926
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: real and it just feels like either they.

927
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 3: Grew apart or yeah, or it's just that thing of

928
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 3: you know, you're realizing who someone is growing into is

929
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 3: someone that they can they can no longer do.

930
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: Anything right in your eyes.

931
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 3: Like it's it's that thing of like when you're at

932
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,720
Speaker 3: the end of a relationship with someone and they kiss

933
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 3: you and you're just like, oh, like it's the smallest thing,

934
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 3: and I feel like they're there and it bums it

935
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 3: bums me out to watch.

936
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: It's that thing where when the cameras are rolling, you

937
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: are performing to them, but it's it's very hard to

938
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: be dishonest, do you know what I mean? Yes? And

939
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: the thing too is like you can tell they have.

940
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 3: Two different responses to that, where Amanda's kind of being

941
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 3: like fuck it, I don't care, yeah, and like she

942
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 3: doesn't really care the way she comes off, and Kyle

943
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 3: is sort of like being a bit petulant and his

944
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:11,959
Speaker 3: like some of his behavior, I'm like, okay, well that's

945
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 3: not okay, But then some of the way she talks

946
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 3: to him, I'm like, well, you know, we can understand.

947
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 3: They're just in a cycle where it's like you guys,

948
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 3: it's never it's it's unless there's.

949
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: Like a two week inpatient.

950
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 3: Like couple's counseling, Like you're not gonna get to the

951
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 3: bottom of this.

952
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: And this is just overall like a comment not again,

953
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: not a new one, but a comment on reality television

954
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: or like documentary filmmaking, just non fictional, non narrative. There's

955
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: cameras around for a long period of time, so on

956
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: traders just to just to rebut Sarah Sherman, it's like, yeah,

957
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: people are gonna act crazy and say you're being evil

958
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: because the cameras are rolling for like fourteen hours a day,

959
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: Like you're going to start act You're gonna start behaving

960
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: within the world of the show in a very particular way.

961
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:15,800
Speaker 1: That's why housewives act out on these on these shows,

962
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: on these trips. That's why drag race girls like start

963
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,959
Speaker 1: to like you know, like spin out when like things

964
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: don't go there where it's like the behave human behavior

965
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 1: under observation like that is is bound to like collapse.

966
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: It wears itself out in eroads so quickly, you know

967
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: what I mean. And I know, like we kind of

968
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,919
Speaker 1: understand that culturally, but I don't think we fully realize.

969
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: Like I have to be reminded of that. If you're

970
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: watching Kyle and a Manna like sort of start to

971
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: freight the edges, I'm like and I'm like, but they

972
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,399
Speaker 1: were so fun and can I'm like.

973
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 3: Oh right, because it's like, of course, yeah, because we're

974
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 3: not watching a documentation of this that's then edited for narrative.

975
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,439
Speaker 3: But it's just I don't know, it's there's the whole

976
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 3: rest of the season and then they have the show

977
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 3: in the city, so I'm like wondering.

978
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: How that develops out. But it's funny because like.

979
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:15,240
Speaker 3: I am watching the show and I'm like, I'm falling

980
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 3: into the thing of like I'm like, oh, I could

981
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 3: be friends with all them, like I in a way

982
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 3: that I never really was with vander Pumper Roles.

983
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 1: With vander Pumproles, I was kind of just like, Okay,

984
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 1: these you know, these people doing these things, these creatures,

985
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: acting like those towards each other.

986
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 3: But with Summerhouse, I'm kind of like I feel like

987
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 3: a little parasocial towards it to the point where I'm like.

988
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: Okay, I got a vacation. I think they're it.

989
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 3: And also there's like there's like it's even more voyeuristic,

990
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 3: like I get it now in a way that I

991
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,439
Speaker 3: was like, oh, I don't know why I watch Bravo.

992
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: If it isn't like, you know, middle aged women plus,

993
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 1: But now I do get it. But vander Pump it's like, oh,

994
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 1: Jack's and James and like, no, all these these I'm like,

995
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: I would never be around these people.

996
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:06,399
Speaker 3: Whereas it's not the same with Kyle and I feel

997
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 3: like the popular thing with Kyle right now is to

998
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 3: like totally dunk on Kyle.

999
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,280
Speaker 1: No, but I'm sorry, Like I do.

1000
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,359
Speaker 3: Understand what Kyle is saying a lot of the time,

1001
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 3: like talking about like you know, of course on face value,

1002
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 3: like him being out djaying when Amanda has said for

1003
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 3: years like I don't want you out doing that, like

1004
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 3: I want you to prioritize being home with me, less drinking,

1005
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 3: et cetera. But then him giving the shade that like

1006
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:32,919
Speaker 3: it's something he's had to do professionally because lover boy

1007
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 3: is having a tough moment and he gets paid to

1008
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 3: go do this stuff and it's easy money. Like that

1009
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 3: does that does create a new shade to it. However,

1010
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 3: by the same token, if she's asking for one thing

1011
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 3: and she's not getting her one thing, and then you're

1012
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 3: gonna turn her around on her and say she smokes

1013
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 3: too much weed, it's like, dude, you can't go there.

1014
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: It's like she's living her fucking life the way she

1015
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: wants to. That's different from like James Kennedy like being violent,

1016
00:57:59,720 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: you know.

1017
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 3: Oh god no, Like I would argue that Summer House

1018
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 3: is a bunch of complicated dynamics, but none of them

1019
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 3: are lad people right, Like on other shows there are

1020
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 3: full blown bad people existing. And yeah, it's funny when

1021
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 3: you now because now.

1022
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: You see like they get one opportunity to cut someone

1023
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: from some of these shows and they're like bye because

1024
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: we don't want to deal with your Yeah, bullshit. But

1025
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: Summerhouse is, like, I really do feel like one of

1026
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: the reasons why it's a great show is because I

1027
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: get wherever one is coming from in a way that

1028
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 1: I think is more interesting to watch because you can

1029
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: actually have a discussion. You can actually play devil's advocate

1030
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: here because there are no devils. Yeah that's great. I

1031
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: love man's advocate, complicated person advocate. Yeah.

1032
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's time. I think it's time. I'm

1033
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 3: looking down on my list. I did make a list

1034
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 3: of topics here.

1035
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: I just want to shout out just because I haven't

1036
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: said it on the podcast yet. At the end of the.

1037
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 3: Tokyo trip, we all just we all discussed our highs

1038
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 3: of the trip, and I just wanted to share my

1039
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 3: high with the readers, which is that I got to

1040
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 3: do the last ever Jaws ride in Universal Studios, Osaka,

1041
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 3: and I'm going to post pictures from it. I haven't

1042
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 3: posted any pictures from Tokyo yet because it's honestly been

1043
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 3: so like I was, like, there's so many pictures here,

1044
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 3: and also I'm trying to take the importance out of

1045
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 3: posting about it.

1046
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: I've just been enjoying the fact that I went on it.

1047
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: But I did want to share with everyone who's been

1048
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: following along from the beginning that I did reconnect with

1049
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: in many ways the culture that made me say culture

1050
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: was for me, which was the Jaws fucking Ride, which

1051
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: was done by a legend, an amazing skipper. She was,

1052
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 1: you've you've had female skippers before, we had a female skipper.

1053
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 3: I had never had a female skipper in my years

1054
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 3: in Universal Orlando. So if we go to Osaka, I'm like,

1055
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 3: oh my god, we have a female skipper. I'm like,

1056
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 3: she's about to pull out a gun. She pulls out

1057
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 3: a fucking gun. She did the whole thing. She was

1058
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 3: giving acting, she was giving small acting, she was screaming, firing,

1059
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 3: just feeling that that fire on our face to know

1060
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 3: they were doing the pyrotechnic effect. Still from my childhood,

1061
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 3: going into the boat house, hearing the score, watching that

1062
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 3: fish pop out of the water.

1063
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: I mean it just gave me everything. It was so

1064
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: healing and I needed it badly and it gave me

1065
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 1: such joy. And so that happened.

1066
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 3: And I have to say, if you're a fan of

1067
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 3: this culture, it might not be over for us, because there's.

1068
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 1: Light light light light light.

1069
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 3: Rumors that it could potentially be possible, like this is

1070
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 3: wish fulfillment, really, but that it could come back to

1071
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 3: Universal in Orlando because they're going to knock down that

1072
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 3: horrible Fast and Furious Supercharged. You know that god awful

1073
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 3: Fast and Furious ride, and Universal in Orlando.

1074
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:57,439
Speaker 1: It's like where the bus like lines up with Yes, yes,

1075
01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: it's terrible.

1076
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 3: So they're knocking it down because they're putting a Fast

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Speaker 3: and Furious rollercoaster in that's replacing the Rip Ride rocket.

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Speaker 3: So now there's that whole area that they could do

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Speaker 3: something with.

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Speaker 1: And I was watching this video the other day. I'm

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Speaker 1: back on Lexapro and on my bullshit on YouTube, which

1082
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: is like watching the park construction, and they were saying

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Speaker 1: that there's a possibility they could knock it down and

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Speaker 1: recreate the Jaws ride. But it's never gonna happen.

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Speaker 3: But I'm just going to continue to put it into

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Speaker 3: the atmosphere because of what I just experienced Universal in Japan,

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Speaker 3: Like it was so good and we all got off

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Speaker 3: of it, and it was by far our favorite thing

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Speaker 3: because it was like practical and fun and stupid and narrative,

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Speaker 3: and it had a live actor which rocked.

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Speaker 1: And the live actor, I think was the thing that

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Speaker 1: really was the binding. Yes, like it just she really

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Speaker 1: she made you go, oh, thank god that wasn't just

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Speaker 1: a screen or thank god that wasn't like yeah, you know.

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Speaker 3: Because that's what Universal was Like. That's what was so

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Speaker 3: cool about that theme park in contrast to all the

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Speaker 3: Disney parks back in the day, was that you had

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Speaker 3: you had like live participants in the attractions that interacted

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Speaker 3: and interfaced with you that made you feel again. The

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Speaker 3: slogan was initially ride the movies, and so it put you.

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Speaker 1: In yes, because you had a proxy exactly the actual environments,

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Speaker 1: and that was a lot of the attractions, whereas now

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Speaker 1: you know, it's different. But that was what I loved

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Speaker 1: and appreciate it about it so much and I felt

1105
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 1: like a boy again. Oh my god, I love that.

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. So I wouldn't say equally as much

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01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: because it was. It just had a different emotional valence

1108
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 1: for you. But I really I was like, oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is what I love about theme parks about it.

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Speaker 1: It was so fun. Okay, this is I don't think

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Speaker 1: so many This is where we take one minute to

1112
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Speaker 1: again something in culture, not do you have something I do.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be returning to the Weathering Heights of it

1114
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 3: all because there's an unsung part of it, and I

1115
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 3: believe she's an unsung part of culture. And I want

1116
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 3: to talk about this Hung Chow. It's not Hung Chow,

1117
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 3: but Hung Chow is great in this movie. But I

1118
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 3: feel like everyone already knows Hung Chow is great, Oscar Nominee, etcetera.

1119
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call out someone else who I've mentioned before. Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is Matt Rogers. I don't think so Honey's time

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Speaker 1: starts now.

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01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 3: I don't think so Honey that this name is not

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01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 3: on the tip of tongues. Alison Oliver So she is

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Speaker 3: in this movie Wuthering Heights. She's also in Sultburn. She's

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01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 3: the sister Venetia in Sultburn and in this movie. In

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Speaker 3: Wuthering Heights, she plays Isabella, who's the ward of the

1127
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 3: dude that Margot Robbie marries for wealth. She is like,

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01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 3: imagine like Anna Paquin, but like cracked, like she's essentially

1129
01:03:57,720 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 3: doing clownery in this Mordy so many ways. She gets

1130
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 3: into a BDSM relationship with Jacob Belordi, which is really

1131
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 3: insane to watch. She barks like a dog and crawls

1132
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 3: on the floor. She has it right behind the eyes.

1133
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 3: She's a nut. And I love this actress. And she

1134
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 3: was so different and incredible in Saltburn. She had that

1135
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 3: bathtub scene in Sultburn that was so good. She's got

1136
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 3: She eats this movie up. This is I really liked

1137
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 3: this movie. She's my favorite thing about it seconds and

1138
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 3: I need her cast in more things because it's really

1139
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:29,439
Speaker 3: just Emerald putting her in a lot of shit. More

1140
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 3: and more and more of this actress, Alison Oliver.

1141
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 1: Oh, that's one minute. I love it. I love that

1142
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 1: Emeralds mss are Jacob and this queen and Alison Oliver. No,

1143
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 1: she was great and sulfurd. I'm telling you her performance

1144
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 1: is my favorite in the movie.

1145
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 3: Because it's as crazy as everything else happening. And Anna Hasnie,

1146
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 3: our producer says, she's really good in the show tasks.

1147
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 1: I see. I didn't even know what that is like,

1148
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 1: and I didn't know much about her, but I saw

1149
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 1: that she was in this, and I'm like, oh, that's

1150
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 1: the actress that I really liked from Saltburn, And now

1151
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:09,919
Speaker 1: I think I have to adopt her. Mmm, how old

1152
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 1: is she? How old is she? No?

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01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 3: You know what, I actually know. She's twenty eight, Ali

1154
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 3: oliver her. Let's see, she's twenty eight. She's twenty eight

1155
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 3: and five to seven.

1156
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 1: And her boyfriend is Josh O'Connor. Oh, oh my god,

1157
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 1: how gad are you for that? And Anna says she

1158
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 1: she was at the SNL after party.

1159
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 3: I did corner her. Oh okay, so I'm not the

1160
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 3: only person on this train. So it does feel like

1161
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 3: there should be a moment to celebrate her. I can't

1162
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 3: might even get a Cultural Award nomination.

1163
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 1: She might get a Culture Award. I I might have

1164
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 1: even said hello to her as well, and I spaced

1165
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 1: What a great couple.

1166
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 3: You know what, though, she looks way different in person

1167
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 3: than she does in either of these roles, which is

1168
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 3: another reason why I really like her, Because you look

1169
01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 3: at a red carpet photo of her and you're like,

1170
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 3: that's not but that.

1171
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 1: Is that is, but that is well, you must adopt.

1172
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 3: I think I'm adopting. This person is seven years younger

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01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 3: than me. Okay, bon Yang, do you heaven? I don't

1174
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 3: think so, honey.

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01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 1: I believe so. Yes, Okay, this is boon Yang. I

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01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. As time starts now, I don't

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01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 1: think so honey. Gummies, I think we've gone too far

1178
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 1: with them as a vessel as a delivery system. You're

1179
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 1: a grown up. Take the pill. You can swallow a pill.

1180
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to come in gummies. Okay, you can

1181
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 1: take the melatonin in a pill. You can take the

1182
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:42,440
Speaker 1: vitamin in a pill. Because this is what happens when

1183
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 1: you put a bunch of crazy shit in a gummy.

1184
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 1: It starts, it starts to taste like shit. Leave gummies alone, them, candy,

1185
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:56,439
Speaker 1: don't don't put a bunch of stuff in them. I'm

1186
01:06:56,480 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 1: even gonna say, don't even put weed in them. Don't

1187
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 1: even put shrooms that. Don't even put drugs in a gummy.

1188
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 1: Because you're a grown fifteen, you have to walk through

1189
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 1: the crucible of your choices, and you cannot infantilize yourself

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01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 1: by making these things that are adult consumables and putting

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01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 1: them in candy and in a childlike delivery system.

1192
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 3: And that's one minute peak behind the curtain.

1193
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 1: There's too many shapes. There's too many shapes, there's too

1194
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 1: many animals. That's good for candy, it's not okay for

1195
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 1: things that like we might need for our joints. Okay,

1196
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 1: let's not play. Let's not play. And also it's like

1197
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 1: grow up and swallow the pill. Swallow the pill and

1198
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: guess what. Cut it in half. Cut it in half.

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01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 1: Go pour yourself a glass of water. I'm sure you

1200
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 1: can hydrate more as well. And I'm sure I'm sure

1201
01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 1: that you don't need to keep so many. I don't know.

1202
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 1: It's just like.

1203
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 3: Someone's gonna like send it Aaron DM be like.

1204
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 1: I have a disease where I can't swallow, so you.

1205
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 3: Guise me just please it's okay, then put it up

1206
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:13,919
Speaker 3: your butt, put it up your butt?

1207
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 1: Kind of does I did want to just peek behind

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01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 1: the curtain.

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01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 3: We have an episode coming out with Money Exchange next

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01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 3: week that we already recorded, and I do an I

1211
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 3: don't think think so honey about something you mentioned.

1212
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 1: Oh I spoiled?

1213
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 3: Well, can we bleep that out, bleep it out, but

1214
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 3: don't cut it.

1215
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 1: Did you put that in a gummy? Did you take

1216
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 1: it was in a gummy? It was in a gummy.

1217
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 3: I don't think it would have been better if it

1218
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 3: was in a pill in terms of my experience, but.

1219
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 1: At least it wouldn't have offended you. But I did

1220
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 1: want to come out and say I had been using

1221
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 1: blank gummy. I'm not blaming you, no, but I had

1222
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 1: a bad experience because it didn't taste good. It didn't

1223
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:55,599
Speaker 1: feel good in the morning.

1224
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 3: And also another thing is when these things get hot,

1225
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:00,280
Speaker 3: they will get all gushy oushy together.

1226
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 1: Said Gushie so many times this time, I know Gushie

1227
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 1: really has been like gushing out of me. Gushie. Is

1228
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:11,759
Speaker 1: it the same as Gushie, Gushie, gushy Gushie? Who knows

1229
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 1: gushi is the title of this episode? G u s h.

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01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 3: Y Gushie, Gushie gushish how gushi?

1231
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 1: The things we didn't get to today?

1232
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:32,720
Speaker 3: Harry Styles aperture, I Love It Era Grammy's Best New

1233
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 3: Artist goes to Olivia Dean and JFK and Carolyn America

1234
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 3: love Story. Did you see that viral clip of his

1235
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 3: big dong.

1236
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 1: You were telling me about this, I You've just been

1237
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 1: playing video games. I've been playing video games. We're gonna

1238
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 1: find out if that's a real dong. We're gonna find out.

1239
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 1: They want us asking the question. I think you would

1240
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 1: like Final Fantasy ten. I can't cause I think just

1241
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 1: you're hearing you talk about story. It's one of the

1242
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 1: best stories in all of and we talked about it

1243
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 1: with Monet and I kind of sat there and like,

1244
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 1: let my sisters really rally. It's a great episode with

1245
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 1: money exchange. It's a great episode anyway. For now.

1246
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:13,679
Speaker 3: By the way, I just want to end this by saying,

1247
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,799
Speaker 3: oscar for Charlie XCX for Wuthering Heights. I'm not kidding,

1248
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:18,719
Speaker 3: give her the oscar for Chains of Love.

1249
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 1: Love that support, Okay, we in every episode with a song.

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01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 1: Shame to hear more of that. Listen to Wuthering Heights

1251
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 1: by Charlie XP, Chains of Love by Bye Last Culture.

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01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:42,599
Speaker 1: Reacis is the production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players

1253
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 1: and iHeart Radio podcasts, created and hosted by Matt Rodgers

1254
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 1: and Bowen Yang, Executive produced by Anna hasby A, and

1255
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 1: produced by Becker Ramo edited a mixed by Doug Baine.

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01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 1: And our music is by Henrik Murski.