1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: Fellow conspiracy realist. We are returning with a classic episode 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: that speaks to our exploration of Nibiru, occurring quite recently. 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: Back in twenty twenty, we learned that a star vanished, 4 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: a cosmic murder mystery. 5 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 2: That's weird, right, that's not supposed to happen. 6 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 1: It's not really supposed to happen. 7 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 2: Sometimes stars explode, but they don't vanish. 8 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: They just break into like smaller bits, yeah, or they 9 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: have like a spinoff band or a solo project. 10 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, turn into a black hole. 11 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: Right yeah, yeah, or a white dwarf or something. 12 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 3: You know. 13 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: The star collapses, but it always leaves forensic evidence. As 14 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: we discovered, there was this investigation that turned into kind 15 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: of a murder mystery out there in space. 16 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 4: That's right. 17 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 3: Recently, an enterprising group of astronomers, an astrophysicists found themselves 18 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 3: transformed into space detectives to help solve this cosmic murder 19 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 3: mystery in question. 20 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 4: So let's join this conversation already in progress with. 21 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 5: Us from UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History 22 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 5: is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now 23 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 5: or learn this stuff. They don't want you to know. 24 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 5: A production of iHeartRadio. 25 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. 26 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 4: My name is Matt, my name is Noah. 27 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We are joined, as always with 28 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: our super producer Paul. Mission control decands, most importantly, you 29 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: are you, You are here, and that makes this stuff 30 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. Today, we are investigating 31 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: a mystery, and spoiler alert, it is not one that 32 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: we are going to solve in today's episode. What are 33 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: we talking about? Well, let's let's take a somewhat secuitous 34 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: route here. Let's start comparatively local and consider the Sun. 35 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: You know it, you might love it, You've definitely heard 36 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: of it. It's the closest star to uh. I almost 37 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: said the US, But it's the closest star to Earth 38 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: and the US. Uh. It's wildly popular. It's one of 39 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: the few fads that humanity can largely agree is a 40 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: good thing and should be kept around. But the Sun 41 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 1: is far from the only star in the universe. 42 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,239 Speaker 4: Really quickly, Ben, you know who doesn't like the sun? 43 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 4: Me Beavis and butt Head. 44 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 3: Oh remember that part in the movie where they're like, 45 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 3: the sun sucks. 46 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 4: That's all I got? Sorry, please carry I think exactly. 47 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 2: Dehydration, Yes, my skin also is not a big fan, 48 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 2: but it is also the life giver of you know, 49 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 2: it is the light bringer. 50 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: If you will u there we go. 51 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: So so, if you're you know, standing on Earth and 52 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 2: you look out, you see our sun. That's definitely the 53 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 2: most prominent star out there. But if you continue to look, 54 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 2: even with the naked eye, if you're far enough away 55 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 2: from a city, you can see that these things are everywhere. 56 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 2: And then you imagine just that there are billions of 57 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 2: galaxies out there in the vast nothingness. It's not really nothingness. 58 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 2: It's the everything news. It's something news at the very least. 59 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 2: But within each of those billions of galaxies there are 60 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 2: stars right. 61 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 1: Or space as a hoax? Oh right, maybe maybe I 62 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: don't know. Well, here are the facts. Let's talk about stars. 63 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: Okay, so cool. If you look in one very specific 64 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 2: direction out there into the cosmos, and then you travel 65 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 2: let's say, seventy five million light years away from the Earth, 66 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 2: you will find yourself in the Kinman dwarf galaxy. It's 67 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 2: also known as PHL two ninety three B or f 68 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 2: PHIL two ninety three B. There is a massive star 69 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 2: inside this little dwarf galaxy and fairly little dwarf galaxy 70 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 2: that is inside the constellation of Aquarius. If you're looking 71 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 2: out there and looking at constellations. 72 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 3: Yes, this object in question is known as a luminous 73 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 3: blue variable star or LBV, and part of me wants 74 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 3: to just pronounce that, but it doesn't roll off the 75 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 3: tongue the way Phil does. 76 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 4: Matt, you win with that one, sir. 77 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 3: But it's about two and a half million times brighter 78 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 3: than the Sun. At least at one point in time, 79 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 3: it was so Ben, what's the skinny? What happened with 80 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 3: this like big brother to the Sun that is now 81 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 3: no longer that thing? 82 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: Yes, as stude listeners, you may notice that we have 83 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: started speaking in past tense about this star. Here here's 84 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: what happened. This star is already relatively well studied in 85 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: the modern day. Astrophysicists, astronomers and so on had investigated 86 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: it for the better part of a decade from about 87 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: two thousand and one to twenty eleven. There's nothing unusual 88 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 1: about that. That is the routine research that scientists will do. 89 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 1: This star, however, was different in that it was nearing 90 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: the end of its stellar life. It's right, stars, just 91 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: like people or living things do have a finite span 92 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: of time in their existence, and this star was in 93 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: its older days. It was elderly. It was an elderly 94 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: star for lack of a better word. And it was 95 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: also subject to these weird, unpredictable variations and brightness. So, Noel, 96 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,679 Speaker 1: you had said this LBV was about two point five 97 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: million times brighter than the Sun. It was, but it 98 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: wasn't consistently at that brightness, and this was pretty baffling. 99 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: Stars like this are candidly pretty rare, but they are 100 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: not unknown. So again, still, this star was not unique 101 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 1: yet a handful of these have been discovered already. However, 102 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: when people saw these fluctuations in brightness, some enterprising astrophysicists 103 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: also recognized that as an enormous opportunity for possibly groundbreaking research, 104 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: and so they said, out of the multitude of stars 105 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: in the sky, we want to turn the telescopes back 106 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: to this one and see if there's anything else we 107 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: can learn. 108 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 3: Yes, a doctoral astrophysicist student at Trinity Dublin College did 109 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 3: just that. A gentleman by the name of Andrew Allen 110 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 3: was very interested in the star. So back in twenty nineteen, 111 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 3: he and his fellow star enthusiasts, professional star enthusias decided 112 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 3: to use something delightfully named the European Southern Observatory is 113 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 3: very large telescope, love it just to tell it like 114 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 3: it is, And they wanted to use this device to 115 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 3: get a closer look at this star as it started 116 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 3: kind of approaching its twilight years, the end of its 117 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 3: stellar life. 118 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 4: And that's what potentially. 119 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 3: Really offer some incredible research material, right Yeah. 120 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 2: And it's not as though they were going in, you know, 121 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 2: completely blind about what may may happen. They had a 122 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 2: pretty rough idea of what's going to happen to this star, 123 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 2: because stars do a couple of general different things. But 124 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 2: usually when a star, you know that's this much larger 125 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 2: and brighter than the sun, begins to really end, truly end, 126 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 2: it's going to explode in some kind, in some form 127 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 2: or fashion. And there are several different types of these 128 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 2: explosions that we're going to talk about here. But it 129 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: would it would explode, and we would notice because we 130 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 2: would see it. Even though it's seventy five light years 131 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 2: away and it takes that light that long to reach us, 132 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 2: we would still be able to observe it. 133 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, and so we know that stars of this 134 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: size tend to have violent deaths. And also, you know, 135 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: I know I'm leaning into the comparisons here, and I 136 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: maybe anthropomorphizing a bit, but you'll see why these comparisons 137 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: are apt. So stars have Stars of this nature tend 138 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: to have violent deaths. Here's what happens. They run out 139 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: of hydrogen to fuse, right, and then the weight of 140 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: the stars starts squeezing on its core. It gets hotter 141 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: and hotter and denser and denser, and then the star, 142 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: almost as if it is struggling to prevent itself from dying, 143 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: it begins to fuse heavier elements than usual and sort 144 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: of a ay, a last ditch effort to keep from collapsing. 145 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: So from carbon to silicon to iron, each of these 146 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: steps generates heat and pressure, but it's never quite enough, 147 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: and the fusion of these heavier elements they don't give 148 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: the star more energy, so boom, the core collapses, and 149 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: the resulting shock wave of protons and neutrons colliding will 150 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: rip the star apart. The outer layers are thrown out 151 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: into the ink, out into space, and it becomes a supernova, 152 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: and for very brief time, comparatively, the star is enormously bright. 153 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: This massive amount of chaos and pandemonium makes for a 154 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: beautiful display. Actually it's weird that for us it's an 155 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: amazing firework, but you know, it's tremendously damaging to the 156 00:09:58,040 --> 00:09:59,319 Speaker 1: galaxies in which it occurs. 157 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 2: And it's one of those things where if you are 158 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 2: observing even the region around a star that is going 159 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 2: into super and ova or beginning to supernova, or has 160 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 2: recently gone into that process, you'd be able to see 161 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 2: it because it's not just you know, if you think 162 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 2: about our sun, it's not just kind of that ball 163 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 2: of gases that's burning, right. It's now if you imagine, 164 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,839 Speaker 2: you've seen it before depicted in movies and science fiction 165 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 2: television probably, but it is now kind of coloring the 166 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 2: space around it, the darkness around it. Right, it looks 167 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 2: like a splotch now more than kind of a spherical thing, 168 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 2: because it's all those gases that Ben was talking about, 169 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 2: the radiation, it all just kind of looks to have 170 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 2: spilled out into the space around it for quite a while. 171 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 2: It doesn't just explode and then it's done, right, It 172 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 2: doesn't last for a few seconds the way it does 173 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 2: in maybe a Star Wars or you know, something like that, 174 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 2: it's there and you're observing it again over the course 175 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 2: of several years. 176 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 4: Man. 177 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, so after the blast, this dense core that's left 178 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 3: behind from stellar material might collapse into a black hole 179 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,239 Speaker 3: or a neutron star. And those are two of space's 180 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 3: most head scratching kind of mysteries that we really don't 181 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 3: know what happens when you get sucked into one of these, 182 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 3: or at least not as much as we would like. 183 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 3: But that's not what happened to LBV. When Andrew Allen 184 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 3: searched for this LBV, he stumbled across a bit of 185 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 3: a galactic mystery, sort of like a victim in some 186 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 3: kind of cosmic noir detective story. 187 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 4: I love this Ben. 188 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 3: The star just just you know, like they like Kaiser 189 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 3: SoSE like that it was gone. And in order to 190 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 3: investigate this mystery and kind of follow the clues, the 191 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 3: researchers had to look back at previous observations and snapshots 192 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 3: of the star taken in two thousand and two. In 193 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 3: two thousand and nine, and they discovered something very interesting, 194 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 3: which was that the star I had been undergoing a 195 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 3: very strong one of those outburst periods that Matt was 196 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 3: talking about during that time, getting rid of throwing off 197 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 3: enormous amounts of that stellar material at a much much 198 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 3: faster rate than normal. 199 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 2: I would just like to point out that is not 200 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 2: a supernova they're talking about there, Like, it's not an explosion. 201 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 2: It's it's ejecting material the way maybe you've seen the 202 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 2: Sun with a coronal mass ejection or some of the 203 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 2: filaments that just will escape from the surface of the 204 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 2: Sun and head out into space. 205 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: It's a space tantrum. 206 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, star tantrum. It's yeah, that's essentially what we're 207 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 2: talking about here, but at a much higher rate. 208 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 4: That's a very good point, Matt. And so what happened next, Well. 209 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: The researchers know that this kind of star variable LBV 210 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: like this can experience these space tantrums as they age, 211 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: and that can cause them to glow more brightly. But 212 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: what they found was that the outburst they could prove 213 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: and trace ended some time after twenty eleven, right when 214 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: routine observation the star halted, and that meant that they 215 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: needed some they needed to do some space detective work, 216 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: because sometime between twenty eleven and twenty nineteen, this star 217 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: simply vanished. So what happened? That's our question today, and 218 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: we'll attempt to find some answers. Afterword from our sponsor. 219 00:13:55,679 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy, Okay, juries out what happens. 220 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 2: Well, that's kind of the point of this episode, guys. 221 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:13,239 Speaker 2: We don't know exactly what happened, and scientists, even brilliant 222 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 2: younger people who are you know, getting PhDs in astrophysics, 223 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 2: who are observing the thing directly, are trying to figure 224 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 2: out exactly what happened. But the cool thing that occurs 225 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 2: when you know, strange things go down is that there 226 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 2: are a bunch of explanations, proposed hypotheses, theories about what 227 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 2: perhaps occurred here. And what we're going to do from 228 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 2: here on out is just explore some of the things 229 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 2: that may have happened with this star. And some, of course, 230 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 2: are a little more out there than others. Some are 231 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 2: a little more mundane, little boring. But it's okay because 232 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 2: it could be any of these because guess what's coming 233 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 2: up in a second Ben. 234 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, strap In, I have a clear bias on 235 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: this one, guy. I have the one that I very 236 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: much want to be true. We're gonna get to aliens 237 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: in a second, but right now it's already spooky and 238 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: disquieting enough to note that stars do a lot of things. 239 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: They don't just disappear, that doesn't happen. They leave a trace. 240 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: Like you said, No, there will be a black hole, right, 241 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: there will be there will be some sort of detritus. 242 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: But this one seems to have just vanished. So if 243 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: we look at the possibilities, I suggest we start with 244 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: the mundane, or as you said, Matt, maybe the more 245 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: boring aka plausible stuff. First, we have to remember to 246 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: a point I think one of us made earlier, that 247 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: we're looking at something from a long, long, long way away. 248 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: There's a lot of space in between us and this star, 249 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: so much space that there's a lot of time in 250 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: between us and this star. And in that space, that 251 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: geographic space between us and this star, there are plenty 252 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: of things that get in the way. 253 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 3: To preface this, I want to point out something that 254 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 3: Matt mentioned off air, that you know, in that there's 255 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 3: that gap between the observation periods twenty eleven and twenty nineteen. 256 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 3: There anything could have and all bets are off anything 257 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 3: could have happened in that time, So just keep that 258 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 3: in mind. But one pretty simple and a little bit 259 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 3: mundane explanation could be that the star dimmed considerably after 260 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 3: its outburst and was then further obscured by a thick 261 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 3: kind of cluster of cosmic dust. If that's the case, 262 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 3: then the star could reappear in future observations, because again, 263 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 3: these are these clouds, this kind of veil could drift 264 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 3: through space, and that's a lot of time for something 265 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 3: like that. You know, things move very slowly in space, 266 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 3: at least far away when you're observing it. That absolutely 267 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 3: would be a scenario where the star didn't actually go anywhere, 268 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 3: it just wasn't observable at the time. 269 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 2: Just what I would say here that this one feels 270 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 2: a little odd to me is just how bright the 271 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 2: star was in question here the LBV, because you know 272 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 2: we mentioned at the top it was two and a 273 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 2: half million times brighter than the sun. 274 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 4: Yeah. Right, that's some robust cosmic dust right there, you know. 275 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 2: Well it is for sure, It's just we don't know 276 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 2: how far away, you know, where that veil would be 277 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 2: located in between the two points right on that on 278 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 2: that line. 279 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 3: I mean, would that be sort of like an asteroid 280 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 3: belt or something like like a cluster of like closely 281 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 3: knit together material that would potentially obscure something from view. 282 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: This is what I find hilarious about this. This is 283 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 1: classic human This This theory is basically that it is 284 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 1: saying that seventy five million light years is a lot 285 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 1: of space and that there could be something in front 286 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: of the telescope. We're dressing it up to sound fancy 287 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about some weirder stuff. But this, 288 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: this is like one hunder a possibility and feels like 289 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: the exact kind of delightful hyjiinks our species gets itself into. 290 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,199 Speaker 3: It's like the cosmic equivalent of accidentally having your thumb 291 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 3: slightly over the corner of the camera on your phone 292 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 3: when you're taking a selfie. 293 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 2: You know, if your thumb was let's say, forty million 294 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 2: light years away of a galaxy exactly exactly. 295 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 3: So we let's get into what we you know, what 296 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 3: we like to talk about here, the weirder and more 297 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 3: exciting explanation. 298 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 4: Then I think I leave this to you, my friend. 299 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: Oh oh, this is this is on the way to weird. 300 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: I won't say this is We're not full weird yet 301 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: on this one. But what if the star never really 302 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: recovered from its space tantrums, what it was bleeding out 303 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: all that material? What if it just somehow collapsed into 304 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: a black hole, not with a bang, but with a whimper. 305 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: What if no super nova occurred? In short, like, what 306 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: if there wasn't an explosion like that for us to see, 307 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 1: it just sort of became a black hole. This is 308 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: pretty crazy. This would be a rare event, and if 309 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: it did happen, then the star would have made an 310 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 1: enormous black hole. It would have a mass that was 311 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: eighty five to one hundred and twenty times the mass 312 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: of Earth's Sun, and we have no idea how that 313 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: would have happened. That's like, that's at the stage of 314 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: you know, spitballing in speculation, where someone says, maybe this 315 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 1: could have happened, and then someone says, well, how do 316 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 1: you think it would have occurred? And everybody has to 317 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: kind of throw up their hands and shrug because that 318 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. It violates what we understand about the 319 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: rules of physics. 320 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 2: Well, you know what they really would have to do, Ben, 321 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 2: and it's something that would be completely beyond maya understanding 322 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 2: is throw up a bunch of FIS equations that there's 323 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 2: no way I could ever understand. But I've read some 324 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 2: papers on this. We've all read some scientific papers on 325 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 2: this now at this point and trying to wrap my 326 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 2: head at least around the math that goes into calculating 327 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 2: how it could become a black hole like that. People 328 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 2: are doing it and they're checking it out and they're 329 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 2: checking you know, their maths. But I certainly couldn't explain 330 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 2: it to you on this podcast. But like you said, rare, 331 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 2: but could have happened. 332 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, could have. There's another possibility that comes to us 333 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: through some research, some pretty recent research at Cornell University. 334 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 4: Right, is this a step up in the weird spectrum? 335 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 2: This one, This is a weird one where it feels 336 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 2: more plausible and a little less. I don't know. This 337 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 2: one rides the line between mundane and strange. So let's 338 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 2: let's just get into it. 339 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 4: I'm good with that. Yeah. They It was a project. 340 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 3: Through an article submission to our xiv dot org that 341 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 3: is a mouthful r xivy dot org, which is like 342 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 3: a database, and that's through Cornell University. In February twenty 343 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 3: twenty they weighed in on different potential outcomes that we 344 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 3: just mentioned so far, and they added this one as 345 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 3: another possibility, positing what if the light that these astronomers 346 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 3: were observing all that time and observing that it had 347 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 3: dimmed so significantly wasn't actually from an lbvstar but from 348 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 3: the explosion of an lbvstar, from you know, a supernova lbvstar. 349 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 3: The scientists show that a type two end supernova could 350 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 3: account for some of these previous misinterpretations of that light 351 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 3: that would you know, in theory, have been coming from 352 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 3: an active star rather than an explosion. 353 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,120 Speaker 1: Your user error, then, is a good way to sum 354 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: up that argument. It's not that the results were wrong 355 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 1: or necessarily mysterious at that point, it's that our interpretation 356 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: of those of that data was incorrect. And these scientists, 357 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 1: you know, they make a pretty good case for this theory. 358 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 4: Yeah. 359 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 2: And if you know, you may think to yourself, what, no, man, 360 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 2: there's no way brilliant people could mistake a star just 361 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 2: being there physically somewhere and an explosion. Well, maybe think again. Here, 362 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 2: I'm going to reading a couple quotes here from this 363 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 2: article that was published. It says it is possible the 364 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 2: sn supernova two end like event occurred sometime between September 365 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety five and September nineteen ninety eight, when no 366 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 2: photometry is available, so no actual pictures of this star 367 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 2: and of the light being emanated from that area. Going 368 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 2: back to the quote, in some cases supernova light curves 369 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 2: exhibit bumps several years after the explosion. Now that would 370 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 2: account for or you know, early on Ben was talking 371 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 2: about how this star or wherever this light was coming from, 372 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 2: it was very bright at times and then seemed to 373 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 2: dim of it and then be very bright, even brighter, 374 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 2: and then a little more dim And that's what they're 375 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 2: describing here as these bumps in output of light. And 376 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 2: here's another quote here. The most plausible explanations for the 377 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 2: recent dissipation of the broad emission after an unusually persistent 378 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 2: phase are an LBV outburst followed by a slow weekly 379 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 2: variable phase or a very long lived s N two 380 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 2: end event that's a supernova event, so again exactly what 381 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 2: we described before. The most plausible things are that it 382 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 2: just had that weird outburst, that space tantrum we talked about, 383 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 2: then just dimmed very significantly after that, or it was 384 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 2: a long lived supernova that we've just been observing as 385 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 2: though it were a star, and they say the latter 386 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 2: is more like given the lack of short timescale variability 387 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 2: and the slowly fading light curve. Oh the language of scientists. 388 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 4: Everyone. 389 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, you did a really good job of unpacking that, Matt, though, 390 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 3: I applaud you. And now I think we're to Ben's 391 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 3: favorite part of today's episode, when we get legitimately into 392 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 3: the weirdest sphere here. 393 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: Oh, I yeah, I'm excited about this one. Guys. I 394 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: think it's I think it's gonna be our I think 395 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: we'll be unanimous in deciding this is our favorite part, 396 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: this is our favorite possible explanation. But let's hold the 397 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 1: tension just a bit longer. We'll pause for a word 398 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: from our sponsor, and we'll be right back. Noel, Matt 399 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realist. Let's dream big. What if this mysterious 400 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: star was never destroyed at all? What if reports of 401 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: its death are exaggerated? What if, instead of being annihilated, 402 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 1: this star was simply tamed. Which sounds crazy, right, I'm 403 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: anthropomorphizing left right here, But to put a very fine 404 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: point on it, what if somewhere out there in the 405 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:23,640 Speaker 1: ink and extraterrestrial civilization has somehow mastered the art of 406 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: taming stars and using them for energy. 407 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 2: Ooh, now we're talking, Ben, this is what I'm talking about. 408 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 2: Taming a star. How does one do that? Well, it's 409 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,199 Speaker 2: not like you can lasso it or capture it in 410 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 2: a trap of some sort. 411 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: Right, you know, we know that we haven't done it 412 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: yet officially, but this is something I think we've talked 413 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: about on stuff that I want you to know before, 414 00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: the concept of the Kardashev scale, and this is this 415 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: is very interesting, but we have to explore just a 416 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: little bit about this so it doesn't sound so the 417 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 1: idea of someone taming a star doesn't sound absolutely bonkers, 418 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: which maybe it is. 419 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 3: That sounds like something Doctor Manhattan would do, or like 420 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 3: maybe four you know, fighting a star or taming a star. 421 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 4: But no, this is yeah, we can we can. 422 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 3: Put this in relatively grounded terms. So in nineteen sixty four, 423 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,959 Speaker 3: a Soviet astronomer named Nikolai Kardashev proposed that a civilization's 424 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 3: level of technological advancement is like a direct correlation to 425 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 3: the amount of energy that the civilization is able to utilize, 426 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 3: and he's got three categorized of civilizations into three categories, 427 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 3: type one, type two, type three. In a burst of creativity, 428 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 3: as Ben would say, a type one civilization can manage 429 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 3: the entire energy output and material resources of a planet. 430 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 3: A Type two civilization is capable of harnessing the energy 431 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 3: and material resources of a star and its entire planetary system, 432 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 3: And a type three civilization is able to wrangle all 433 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 3: of the energy and material resources of an entire galaxy. 434 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 3: Let's just try to simplify this ever so slightly, so 435 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 3: within this scale, it's theoretically possible that some intelligent civilization 436 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 3: somewhere out there in space has reached the level of 437 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 3: a type two civilization. Type three is just beast mode, 438 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 3: and this would mean the construction of something called a 439 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 3: Dison sphere. No, that is not a ball vacuum cleaner. 440 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 3: But I do believe that's where the name came from. 441 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken, or is the guy's name actually Dyson. 442 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's a connection because there's 443 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 3: that Dison vacuum that has the sphere. I don't know, 444 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 3: I'm just conjecturing here. 445 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the Dyson sphere is named after Freeman Dyson, 446 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 1: but I don't think he's affiliated with the vacuums. 447 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 4: No, that's Sir James Dyson. It just happens. 448 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 3: This is just parallel thinking. James decided to keep his 449 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 3: scientific smart's in the realm of keeping your home nice 450 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 3: and tidy. 451 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 1: But they're both working with vacuums. When you think about it, 452 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,959 Speaker 1: that's very hairs point. 453 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 3: So I think it's perfectly spot on, and it's certainly 454 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 3: helped help me look a little less foolish, and I 455 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 3: appreciate that. 456 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no chumps in the squad. 457 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 2: I just want to put out there that I think 458 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 2: we're talking about a type two civilization building a dice 459 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 2: in sphere here. We'll get into it. I think we're 460 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 2: actually talking about a type three civilization, gentlemen. 461 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 4: Here beast mode. 462 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 2: I think we're talking about beast mode because of the 463 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 2: time frame where the dimmy occurred. But let's continue forward. 464 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So it's interesting that scale is a tremendously 465 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: humbling one. If you are familiar with Kardashev, or if 466 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: you have read his work, or if you you know, 467 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: if you're thinking about this and putting humanity in this context, 468 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: we are yet to become a type one civilization. We 469 00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:02,959 Speaker 1: are below the bottom barrel of energy. Kardashev made a 470 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: scale that is a little bit difficult for the average 471 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: human to relate to, perhaps or the average society. But 472 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: a Dyson sphere is even cooler than a Dyson vacuum. 473 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: Clear the technology, if it exists, would would be like 474 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: that Arthur C. Clark quote. You know, it would be 475 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: indistinguishable from magic to the average human being here on 476 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: our ball of mud. The Dyson sphere is a theoretical 477 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: structure that's just like the kind of trap you described, Matt. 478 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: It's something that would be built or constructed somehow around 479 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: the entirety of a star. Imagine putting the Sun in 480 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: a box and then this sphere. This contraption would capture 481 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: all of the energy emitted by the star, and most importantly, 482 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: it would be able to transfer that energy converted into 483 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: some sort of usable form. For the enigmatic constructors of 484 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: the Dyson sphere, this thing would be huge. It would 485 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: be without exceptions, without hyperbole, It would be the biggest 486 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: thing ever built as far as humanity could understand. Like 487 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: you think the Death Star is a big deal in 488 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: star Wars. I mean, it's a huge plot point, doesn't 489 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: have the best design, get it, sure, but it's massive. 490 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: This would absolutely dwarf this. We have no idea how 491 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: it would be built. 492 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,719 Speaker 2: Absolutely, at least the Dyson sphere that was put forward, 493 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 2: as you said, by Freeman Dyson in nineteen sixty, because 494 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 2: you're talking about bigger than a star, right, it's some 495 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 2: constructed thing that's larger than a star. Certainly boggles of 496 00:30:54,840 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 2: the mind there. But there have been several theoretical, obviously 497 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 2: very theoretical types of solar grids almost that would consist 498 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 2: of smaller essentially machines and solar capture devices that would 499 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 2: be placed close to a star, but not in the 500 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 2: same way as a Dyson's sphere. Wouldn't encapsulate the entire thing. 501 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 2: But there are some really fascinating concepts out there right 502 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 2: now about how you could begin down the road to 503 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 2: a Dyson sphere. 504 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I do want to give credit where 505 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: it's due. Dyson formalized this idea back in nineteen sixty, 506 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: but we believe he was inspired by earlier works of 507 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: science fiction by authors like Oloff Stapleton and a fellow 508 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: named J. D. Bernall, it's weird. The cool thing about 509 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: science fiction is that sometimes it ends up being prescient, right, 510 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: Like the US government True story has hired science fiction 511 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: writers in the past and just said, Okay, yeah, whitch 512 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 1: this to us. This is a real thing we're working on. 513 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: How should we handle it? And they get some wild answers, 514 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, Dyson. Dyson had a pretty solid logic. He said, Look, 515 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 1: if humanity can continue our merry and mad experiments of existence, 516 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 1: eventually we are going to expand our energy demands so 517 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: much so that we are going to need to figure 518 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: out a way to get the total energy output of 519 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: the Sun. How do we do that? How do we 520 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: make that happen? He came up with a Dyson sphere. 521 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: As you said, Matt, there are It sounds to bonkers, 522 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: but there there are pretty I don't want to say conclusive. 523 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: There are compelling and tantalizing arguments for the legitimacy or 524 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: the feasibility of a Dyson's sphere. The craziest thing about 525 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: this whole notion is that theoretically it's possible. Theoretically it 526 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: is possible to build something around the stuff. 527 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 3: I really quickly just want to make a pop culture 528 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 3: reference in the one hundred and thirtieth episode of Star 529 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 3: Trek the Next Generation called Relics the Enterprise, you know, 530 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 3: as they typically do respond to a distress call and 531 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 3: they discover a dice in sphere, So a fun way 532 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 3: to kind of see it sort of fictionalized because it 533 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 3: is there's some science behind it, but it also it's 534 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 3: one of those things that's a little nebulous, right, Like 535 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 3: it's conceptually possible, but it's also like a thing in 536 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 3: Star Trek that they're presenting as though it's real, but 537 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 3: we're not really there yet technologically to actually make that happen, 538 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 3: And just to reiterate that was Star Trek the Next 539 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 3: Generation Season six, episode four, aka the one hundred and 540 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 3: thirtieth episode of the show called Relics. 541 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: Relics I liked heck man, I love Star Trek. I 542 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: you two parts of it are corny, but oh man, I. 543 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 3: Find it very relaxing and comforting. I'll put it on 544 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 3: before bed sometimes it sort of lulls me into a 545 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 3: nice space trance. 546 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: I'm super into the Borg, the Q all of Oh. 547 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. I want to put this out there because 548 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 2: I maybe I just am not fully understanding. I'd pose 549 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 2: it to you guys as a philosophical question. I don't 550 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 2: understand why an intelligence at that level would want to 551 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 2: fully encapsulate a star knowing that effects that that would 552 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 2: have on all of the Solar System that you know 553 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 2: is surrounding that star. Like it feels like you'd want 554 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 2: to capture the energy or enough of the energy of 555 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 2: that star while still allowing it to keep you know, 556 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 2: the functionality of the Solar System. And maybe it's just 557 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 2: my misunderstanding of how that would actually affect it, because 558 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 2: you certainly wouldn't be sending heat anywhere throughout the Solar 559 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 2: System anymore. If you put a dice and sphere on the. 560 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 3: Thing you're saying it would affect like gravitational balance or 561 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 3: something like that. 562 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 2: Or what I mean, if there's any I guess you'd 563 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 2: want to identify a star that doesn't have any life 564 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 2: on any the planets, or observable life on any of 565 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 2: the planets, if you're anything like the you know this 566 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 2: crew of the starship Enterprise and you know the Federation 567 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 2: and all that, or maybe if you don't give a 568 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 2: crap and you're just you need that star energy. You 569 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:16,799 Speaker 2: just put a dice in sphere on that thing in 570 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 2: if everybody else. 571 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: Well, here's the here. This is a great question, and 572 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: it's also unfortunately a good argument against a dice in 573 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 1: sphere being responsible for the disappearance of this star. And 574 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:38,399 Speaker 1: it's this, it's a question of efficiency. Why build an 575 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: entire box or an entire sphere around a star when 576 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 1: you can get all the energy you need from an 577 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: alternative design, like a dice in ring. Think about how 578 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: much we save in terms of great Now we're space engineers, 579 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: think about all the cost cutting we could institute if 580 00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 1: we just got a dice in what's sometimes described as 581 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: a dice in swarm, and that would be instead of 582 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: one contiguous sphere we have, we have like satellites in 583 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: these positions, right, these immovable or static positions arranged in 584 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 1: maybe a ring that would be the simplest form, or 585 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: in a series of rings, like the lines of longitude 586 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 1: on a globe. Right, we would still be harvesting a 587 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 1: tremendous amount of energy, but we would also you know, 588 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 1: energy would be leaving the mechanism as well. And to 589 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 1: your point, Matt, I think it's more dangerous for us 590 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 1: to anthropomorphize alien life than it is to anthropomorphize stars, 591 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:49,760 Speaker 1: because it leads us down these dark roads, these dark paths. 592 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 1: To your question about why someone or some entity would 593 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: build a sphere knowing that it could wreak havoc on 594 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 1: a solar system, all we can say is that if 595 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,799 Speaker 1: an aliens or anything like us, if an extraterrestrial mind 596 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: is anything like our own, then we can look at 597 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 1: our human past and every time we have had a 598 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 1: chance to do the right thing for the environment during 599 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,319 Speaker 1: you know, energy rushes, we have decided to go with 600 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 1: the short term profit. 601 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, Prime Minister Groulp needed that star energy. 602 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 1: Man, right right, We need that star energy. You know, 603 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: the other life forms, we'll just have to deal with it. 604 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: It's true, though there's no proof of this. It's just 605 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 1: a fascinating idea. And you know, as we've discussed in 606 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 1: previous episodes, whenever the concept of aliens somewhere out there 607 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,840 Speaker 1: in space comes up, they are more or less a 608 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 1: mathematical certainty. And that makes this theory so fascinating for 609 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 1: a few different reasons. If a Dyson sphere, we know 610 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,919 Speaker 1: it can be built, but if there is a civilization 611 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: capable of building one, that makes the possibility of finding 612 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:11,479 Speaker 1: intelligent extraterrestrial life so much easier. There's a big thing 613 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,319 Speaker 1: that we can find, you know what I mean. And 614 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: then second, if we find something like this, it would 615 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:24,320 Speaker 1: prove a powerful commonality because it would mean that these entities, 616 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 1: these minds, whatever they are, would mean that they use 617 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:33,439 Speaker 1: energy in a way similar to us, That they, like us, 618 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 1: derive nourishment and existence from a star. And that that 619 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 1: sounds small, but philosophically that's astounding, that's kind of beautiful. 620 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,719 Speaker 1: I mean, we have to remember every single thing that 621 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,279 Speaker 1: about discovering a Dyson sphere would be historic, It would 622 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 1: be mind blowing, It would be no small way terrifying. 623 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 1: But we also have to remember, you know, when we 624 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,439 Speaker 1: think about life and planets that carry life, we are 625 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,400 Speaker 1: stuck with a sample size of one, so we have 626 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 1: no idea this would be. I would rarely say this, guys, 627 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 1: but this would be a revolution of a spiritual level 628 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 1: as well as a scientific and cecular one. 629 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,319 Speaker 3: I really want, I really quickly want to point out 630 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 3: that Popular Mechanics has a fantastic article called could we 631 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,360 Speaker 3: build a dice in Sphere? By Adam Hattisy from February 632 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,279 Speaker 3: twenty of this year, and so it is, you know, 633 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,399 Speaker 3: theoretically possible, but you know from everything that I've read, 634 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,560 Speaker 3: it would take like eighty years to build one, just 635 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 3: with the metrics of what we know of how much 636 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,799 Speaker 3: material it would take, and just like the you know, 637 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,920 Speaker 3: the timeframe of constructing such a thing and just the 638 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,840 Speaker 3: logistics of it. But there's also a few pretty cool 639 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 3: videos on YouTube about conceptually what it would take to 640 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,359 Speaker 3: build a dice in sphere. But it's it's I love 641 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,839 Speaker 3: the stuff that like this that's conceptually possible, but we're 642 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 3: just not there yet because it really scratches that sci 643 00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 3: fi itch for me. 644 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 4: And I think this is exact actly that. It's such 645 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:01,960 Speaker 4: an interesting story. 646 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:06,319 Speaker 2: Well, we're in this scenario. We're talking about roughly nine 647 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,760 Speaker 2: years or a little less than that, some short period 648 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 2: of time where this star went from extremely bright to disappearing. Right, So, 649 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,799 Speaker 2: if a Dyson sphere was installed, I'm thinking you got 650 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,719 Speaker 2: two halves of a dice and sphere and you ram 651 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,240 Speaker 2: them together and now it's. 652 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 1: Gone Iikeia style. I love I love it. Some assembly required, right. 653 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be like one million page Ikea manual. 654 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,279 Speaker 1: And maybe it's also super simple. Maybe It's just the 655 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 1: equivalent of one very vague assembly sheet, and it says 656 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,800 Speaker 1: take Dyson sphere half A, noted as A and attached 657 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 1: to B not to just be I don't I don't know. 658 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,280 Speaker 1: I've been assembling a lot of a lot of furniture 659 00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:01,360 Speaker 1: from sketchy places recently, and and I'm loving I'm loving 660 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,799 Speaker 1: the genre of writing that the instructions are in. But 661 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 1: you guys are right, we can find this inspiring. The 662 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,440 Speaker 1: Dyson sphere is still kind of a I mean, it's 663 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 1: a thought experiment. There's a great YouTube video about this 664 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: called In a Nutshell. If you guys are familiar with 665 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,719 Speaker 1: those series, they do animated excellent explanations various things of 666 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,840 Speaker 1: this nature. But the jury is still out. If you 667 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,640 Speaker 1: want a Dyson sphere to be real, and you want 668 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,279 Speaker 1: this LBV to be evidence of one, then we have 669 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,400 Speaker 1: somewhat good news for you. Currently, this star has yet 670 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,839 Speaker 1: to reappear. No one has confirmed whether it transformed into 671 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:49,800 Speaker 1: a black hole, whether there's some kind of cosmic flotsam 672 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,520 Speaker 1: and jetsam in between the telescope and the star, and 673 00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,360 Speaker 1: we don't know if it got bound into a Dyson sphere. 674 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,319 Speaker 1: We don't know what happened. There was no supernova, There 675 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,319 Speaker 1: was no sudden burst of light, no dying scream of 676 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,919 Speaker 1: emitted energy. Instead, like a drowning sailor, this enormous star 677 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:13,759 Speaker 1: just sort of slipped beneath the waves. Also, on a 678 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 1: somewhat depressing philosophical note, because of the passage of time, 679 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:26,480 Speaker 1: we have to realize that if this civilization existed, they 680 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,319 Speaker 1: existed seventy five million years ago. So even if they 681 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,200 Speaker 1: were there, our odds of finding them now are very 682 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,239 Speaker 1: very very very very low as we understand them. We 683 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,600 Speaker 1: should have ended on a higher note. 684 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:44,600 Speaker 2: Sorry, it's all good. I do like that We're that 685 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,959 Speaker 2: we're ending here with a mystery because it gives us, 686 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,399 Speaker 2: you know, something to look forward to, because we will 687 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,320 Speaker 2: find out what happened to this star or the supernova. 688 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 2: It's just going to take time. Thankfully, it won't take 689 00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:01,520 Speaker 2: seventy five million years light years, but it will. Yeah, 690 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:02,680 Speaker 2: we'll get there. 691 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:08,879 Speaker 1: What if what if there's some deep space equivalent of 692 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,320 Speaker 1: a Leviathan or a Kraken and it's like a life 693 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,839 Speaker 1: form and it like eats stars. What if there's a 694 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,240 Speaker 1: star eater out there that's. 695 00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,759 Speaker 2: Just swimming past the star for an elongated period of time. 696 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:26,720 Speaker 4: The stuff nightmares right there, gentlemen, we want. 697 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,600 Speaker 1: To hear from you, folks, think you as always so 698 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:34,640 Speaker 1: much for tuning in. What do you think happened to this? LBV? 699 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:39,640 Speaker 1: Can you solve the mystery of a star that again 700 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:46,359 Speaker 1: just disappeared? We've posed, We've posed various theories again, as 701 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:51,040 Speaker 1: Matt said, ranging across the spectrum of plausibility. But what 702 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,800 Speaker 1: did we miss? What do you think what would be 703 00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,560 Speaker 1: the wildest thing that could happen? What do you think 704 00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,439 Speaker 1: is the most likely thing that could happen? And what 705 00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:04,560 Speaker 1: should what should we be looking for when we search 706 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:05,799 Speaker 1: the sky at night? 707 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:07,120 Speaker 4: Hmm? 708 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 2: Besides giant whales or space whales? Yeah, god, yeah, I do. Now, 709 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,760 Speaker 2: I just want to see that has that ever been depicted? 710 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,799 Speaker 2: We're gonna I'm gonna start just a Google search where 711 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,400 Speaker 2: giant space whales. We're gonna build it somewhere. 712 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,200 Speaker 3: Didn't we talk about space whales in a recent episode 713 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,840 Speaker 3: and I and I incorrectly said that Mobius was a 714 00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,160 Speaker 3: big purveyor of space whales, and he maybe did one 715 00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:40,799 Speaker 3: space whale. 716 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:41,680 Speaker 4: But we looked up pictures. 717 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,040 Speaker 3: It's definitely a popular sci fi trope, but it wasn't mobias, 718 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:46,040 Speaker 3: but I don't know. 719 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:51,640 Speaker 1: Oh the art, yes, I believe so, yeah, yeah they're amazing. Well, 720 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,080 Speaker 1: let us know what your take on a space wheel is. Also, 721 00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:59,480 Speaker 1: I'm interested. I was thinking about this earlier. If we 722 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,440 Speaker 1: think about the universe just in terms of size, there 723 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,000 Speaker 1: could easily be life forms that are larger than our 724 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 1: entire planet and we might never know. 725 00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:12,560 Speaker 4: It's just what do they breathe? 726 00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:12,919 Speaker 3: Man? 727 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:18,520 Speaker 4: How does that work? Just just energy, bro, just straight 728 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:23,799 Speaker 4: space dust. I have no idea man, space. 729 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,279 Speaker 1: Radiation. Maybe maybe they're like you know how whales have 730 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:33,399 Speaker 1: baileying that allows them to filter krill. Maybe they're doing 731 00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,680 Speaker 1: something like Okay, look, this has nothing to do with 732 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,640 Speaker 1: this disappearance Star. We haven't solved the mystery. We want to. 733 00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,560 Speaker 1: We want to hear from you, folks. Let us know. 734 00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,759 Speaker 1: You can find us on Facebook, you can find us 735 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,360 Speaker 1: on Instagram. You can find us on Twitter, not just 736 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,440 Speaker 1: as a show, but as individuals. 737 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,520 Speaker 4: Yes, if you wish, you may find me on Instagram, 738 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,640 Speaker 4: which is where I hang out. I'm not really a. 739 00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,400 Speaker 3: Tweeter, but I do lurk occasionally, and I'm trying to 740 00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,600 Speaker 3: get more into it because if because of all the 741 00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,720 Speaker 3: smart folks out there on Twitter making crazy weird Twitter 742 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,640 Speaker 3: communities out there that I feel excluded from. But for 743 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,560 Speaker 3: now I am an Instagram only user at how Now 744 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:10,239 Speaker 3: Noel Brown. 745 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,200 Speaker 1: And should you wish to take some weird detours in 746 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,320 Speaker 1: your daily internetting, you can find me at Ben Bolan 747 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,560 Speaker 1: hsw on Twitter or at Ben Bolan on Instagram. 748 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,879 Speaker 2: And if you're not in the social media you can 749 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,439 Speaker 2: give us a call. Our number is one eight three 750 00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:32,960 Speaker 2: three std WYTK. Please give us a call, let us 751 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,960 Speaker 2: know what you think. I apologize that we do not 752 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,480 Speaker 2: say that in Unison anymore. It became much harder than 753 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:43,200 Speaker 2: we expected when attempting to do it over a zoom call. 754 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,600 Speaker 4: All the things we've lost from COVID, You guys. 755 00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,480 Speaker 1: People are saying it at home along with us. We 756 00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,000 Speaker 1: can hear you through the void. 757 00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,800 Speaker 3: Mm hm, and I will say I don't know. Go 758 00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:58,560 Speaker 3: ahead and leave us some messages. We've got a big 759 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,640 Speaker 3: old backlog that we need to start curating, and we're 760 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,400 Speaker 3: already in the process of doing so. And there may 761 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,160 Speaker 3: be some opportunities to hear yourself on the show coming 762 00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,759 Speaker 3: up in the near future. And then you know, if 763 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,200 Speaker 3: your phone isn't your thing and you want to Maybe 764 00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:12,560 Speaker 3: you don't want to go on the social media, but 765 00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,120 Speaker 3: you still want to, like participate in the stuff they 766 00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:15,719 Speaker 3: don't want you to know. 767 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:20,120 Speaker 4: Extended Universe. Go to Apple podcasts, leave a cool review, 768 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:21,720 Speaker 4: help fight the trolls. 769 00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,440 Speaker 3: You guys, we'd very much appreciate some kind words on 770 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:25,280 Speaker 3: Apple podcasts. 771 00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,520 Speaker 4: It help people discover the show and pushes some of 772 00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,680 Speaker 4: those mean ones further down in the list. 773 00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,759 Speaker 2: Yes, and in general, if you don't want to do 774 00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,520 Speaker 2: any of those things, but you still want to let 775 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,520 Speaker 2: us know what you think, or you found something interesting 776 00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,000 Speaker 2: that you want to share with us, please write to us. 777 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,560 Speaker 1: We are conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com. 778 00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,720 Speaker 2: Stuff they Don't want you to Know is a production 779 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:09,359 Speaker 2: of iHeartRadio. 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